| IVOD_ID |
16079 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16079 |
| 日期 |
2024-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2024070873 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-07-08T14:29:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-07-08T15:23:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:53:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-07-08T15:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：一、研商有關「電業法第四十九條條文修正草案」案（國民黨黨團提議）二、考試院人事同意權案相關事宜。三、研商有關「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案」、「洗錢防制法修正草案」、「科技偵察及保障法草案」及「通訊保障及監察法部分條文修正草案」等案（民進黨黨團提議）四、研商有關「刑事訴訟法第七十條之一、第二百四十五條及第二百四十五條之一條文修正草案」等案（國民黨黨團提議）五、研商有關「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第五條、第七條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案」案（國民黨黨團提議）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:29:59 - 15:23:00 |
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謝謝各黨團幹部那也熱情歡迎我們經濟部我們郭部長還有農業署的游署長台灣電力公司的曾董事長王總經理還有產業發展處的鄭暨正法務部的林參事熱情歡迎大家那各位黨團幹部上一次開會的時候宣布七月八號下午三點在立法院召開草野協商 |
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但是今天再次確認跟各黨團幹部來聯絡的時候希望大家能夠準時參加結果民進黨黨團通知他們沒有辦法參加他們希望能夠延期召開所以今天這次草野協商我們沒有辦法進行那我再次協調過 |
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民進黨黨團、國民黨黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團希望明天早上九點三十分能夠準時召開,那開到下午三點。這是明天我們稍微協商的議程跟時間,特別在這裡跟各黨團幹部來報告一下,也要跟行政單位說一聲對不起、不好意思,大家都今天準時而來,我們也都來了,但是民進黨團沒辦法參加,因為他們有特殊情況,那請問各黨團幹部有沒有什麼寶貴意見? |
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在這裡第一個首先院長辛苦我們今天是承載了這麼廣大的名義到立法院來但是很遺憾這草以協商是國會最高最高的一個決策的一個會議 |
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結果我們看到今天民進黨在立法院亂了一天．不讓我們委員會能夠來舉行．然後下午的草野先生也不來．民進黨政府真的覺得．立法院對他們來講都不重要．我們都不用來幫他們協助這個國家如何執政．未來的預算如何審查．現在相關的議案要如何通過． |
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我們真的覺得民進黨眼裡根本沒有國會。所以我們依照昨天的﹐依照禮拜五的協商﹐禮拜四﹐禮拜五的協商﹐然後今天準時來開會。那早上會議被民進黨破壞了,我們沒有辦法開會。早上、下午都不能開會。現在草擬協商他也不來。 |
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國民黨黨團表示沉重的抗議。今天審查協商通知發了,國部長也來了。金管會大概也來了。我要讓國部長瞭解,民進黨有多麼不珍惜你們這些當部會首長的人。你們來了,他們起碼打個招呼都沒有。 |
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我們在院長都這麼尊重都來了所以啊我們在這裡啊希望此例不要再開好不好謝謝院長謝謝那個稍等一下請問一下臺灣民眾黨有沒有意見要發言然後好黃國昌總統要發言侯孟凱署長請準備因為我們對於啊院長所發出的協商通知向來都非常的尊重 |
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再忙有什麼事情我們就盡量排開然後盡量派代表來當然依法論法這個協商在一個月的期間當中有召開沒有辦法有協商結論那我們就按照議事規則處理否則的話大家 |
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包括院長、其他的委員本來大家都很忙為了這個所有的事情都排開了我相信院長跟其他黨團的代表可以充分理解就是為什麼這樣說那黨團協商這個制度 |
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按照立法院職權刑事法就在一個月的冷凍期內要召集嗎?召集也沒有辦法強迫說誰一定要來或者是來了一定要有什麼結論從來也沒有這樣子的規定它就是我們在立法程序當中的一環那 |
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出現了這樣的狀況沒有辦法召開協商那我們該進行的立法程序也進行完了那接下來在院會裡面我覺得該怎麼處理就怎麼處理吧 |
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法定人數不足 |
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沉重而且沉痛的一個抗議。」因為據我所知在上個禮拜五我們到七點多的時候院長其實離開的時候已經先宣布了今天下午應該是兩點半開始協商但後來因為民進黨團的強力要求才說改成三點鐘本來民進黨團是要求今天四點後來折衷是三點鐘三點鐘也是民進黨團提出來的這是第一第二今天討論電業法考試院人事 |
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打詐釋法、刑事訴訟法及國家通訊傳播組織法．這些不重要嗎?這些不關乎民生議題嗎?這些不是民進黨團也有自己的條文嗎? |
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下面不只我們今天立案的幾個部會包括經濟部長包括台電董事長總經理等還有包括十多個中央機關都有列席五個法案今天民進黨團說不來就不來是把國家公務員是把其他黨團是把院長完全都沒有放在眼裡嗎我覺得這件事情是非常非常離譜再者院長我想今天利用 |
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這個草野協商也特別向您報告今天早上立法院有發生過去沒發生過委員直接破壞門鎖進入到委員會會議室四點五十三分破壞門鎖進入到會議室五點多的時候就有民進黨團的總召帶著民進黨的委員魚貫進入 |
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我們想問過去議場在第十屆的時候有確定因為之前也有民進黨的委員從議場後門進入到議場也因此當時做成朝野協商結論就是以後都 |
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一致規定七點鐘只開放議場前左邊的這一個門其餘三方的門都是七點半才開就是要有公平一致的原則我再次強調當時就是在第十屆的時候民進黨的委員從後門進入到議場也因此當前門打開的時候我們已經排隊準備好進去一打開才發覺說民進黨委員已經坐在主席台上而當時經過朝野協商確定 |
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所有以後都是開7點鐘準時開前面左邊的門其餘的三個門是7點30分才準時開啟那我們委員會的部分也要不要確認第一是不是應該要換一個更好的鎖不能讓任何小小或是任何委員能夠這樣破壞門鎖就可以直接進入第二是不是我們要有一個一致的規定我想 |
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院長今天我提出來是不是請您可以請秘書長或是相關的人員來研擬但我們要強力的譴責這樣子破壞會議室破壞議事規則破壞門鎖的犯罪行為我想這已經構成一個犯罪行為監視器都已經看到了尤其身為立法委員應當以身作則這一點我們也提出強烈譴責譴責民進黨團用非法的手段破壞門鎖進入委員會 |
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主腦開會的過程 。」 |
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三、研商有關〈刑罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯罪犯� |
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已經發生民進黨帶著鎖匠一大早來開門今天更誇張今天為民進黨立委不曉得是熟能生巧還是過去的長夜慣犯是他直接來開門帶著東西直接來開門 |
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那一位不管是助理也好還是誰也好不是那位開的因為那個畫面我們都已經看過了那開完了以後啊然後接下來就民進黨克總召愚慣的進入大概在四點五十多分的時候所以我們六點鐘到達我們的會議室結果發現裡面是有人的我們七點開門嘛就發現裡面是有人的 |
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但在七點鐘門不是從外面開是從裡面開而且冷氣也開了很久了燈也開了因為一進去第一個就看到柯總召帶的十幾個人坐在內政委員會的主席台上面我們現在到底是要請院長、立法院如果再這樣沒有次序連未來這些立委人身安全都有很大的問題 |
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之前國會改革的部分我們在草野協商在院長室草野協商被民進黨立委禁錮禁錮到我要打電話報警上個禮拜四民進黨柯總召帶隊又公然禁錮內政委員會十一位議事人員這個是從 |
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中華民國在台灣以來．立法院史上第一次發生．第一次發生．醫事人員被禁錮．連上廁所都不行．我們在跟他通話的過程當中．我們要改到．秦賢隆一零一開會．因為紅樓．二零二已經被民進黨霸佔了．結果我們請醫事人員過來．醫事人員說他每一位都被監控．連上廁所都不行． |
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所以我覺得在這裡真的要請院長到底要怎麼樣這個國會才有一定的法定的次序我想這個還要請院長來主持 |
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請問郭部長還有各位列席的官員,我想後面就跟電業法無關了。我也知道大家都非常的忙,你們先就請回。那明天我們在審查電業法的時候再麻煩大家好嗎?好,我們先讓行政官員先離開,後面很多都是我們院本部的事情。對官員打攪他們的寶貴時間我想也不太好。請,好不好?謝謝部長,謝謝各位列席的官員,謝謝大家。 |
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民進黨的那個黃總召有沒有話要繼續發言還是因為這個輪流 |
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張七凱委員發言完,那就變成羅志強委員,必須要發言。如果你發言完,羅志強委員就可以有發言的資格,這平行的好不好?好,我必須要跟你報告一下。好,請。院長跟各個委員,事實上時間都很寶貴。當然現在院長先讓經濟部長他們回去了。可是從上個禮拜四,他們癱瘓的四個委員會, |
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有二十多位的部會首長在那邊哭咒了一整天,讓我們立法院的資金權都被沒收了,那今天早上又重大覆測,今天更可惡了,他們不只開了手進去啊,你看我們台灣民眾黨是有主體性和主動性的,我們自己要提案子,我們對選發法是有對案的,結果案子也沒辦法提,我去登記發言從上禮拜四到現在,我一句話到現在都沒辦法講。 |
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我們要表示嚴正的抗議．所以拜託院長這一塊要就是讓怎麼讓委員能夠開會這是一個事情這要解決第二個我今天試一下今天五個案子都是跟民生有那麼重要的民進黨自己在說民生跟經濟多重要電力法今天為什麼要協商我們台灣民眾黨提電價要動漲講了多久國民黨要求電價不能漲對不對所以後來兩邊都有提案啊國民黨跟台灣民眾黨都提了案啊所以才需要今天要協商啊 |
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事業已經漲了電價了,到今天要協商又不來,民進黨又不來,那人民的聲音怎麼出來?人民要停電跳電那麼苦,你的事業要漲了電價,你那個機制到底要怎麼去把它完整?我們今天是帶著提案來,要跟他們好好協商的,他們又不來。我要問第一個,醫藥開的事情到底有把它改過嗎?第二,以後他協商都不來怎麼辦? |
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通訊保障及監察法部分條文修正草案．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議 |
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我想真的辛苦也為難院長了事實上這次民進黨你可以看到就是對立法院完全的不尊重那除了說在上個禮拜四我說實在話啦他癱瘓內政委員會已經是很糟糕了內政委員會他們常常講沒有討論沒有民主嘛那討論選辦法你反對很正常嘛 |
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事由．立法院黨團提議．立法院黨團提議 |
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然後今天也一樣繼續癱瘓內政委員會然後接下來草野協商已經訂好都說好了他也不來那我覺得民進黨的做法很簡單就是說你今天草野協商來開會他說好他不來 |
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不來以後然後如果說他今天沒有辦法因為他一直缺席沒辦法召開草野協商等到最後程序走完他會跟你講說沒有討論沒有民主所以我才說院長真的是非常為難就是說反正怎麼樣講都是他他要贏那另外當然剛剛總召還有剛剛那個齊凱都已經講到了 |
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這一屆的我們的國會光這個禮拜發生兩件已經打破紀錄的事情第一個就是民進黨為了癱瘓內政委員會居然去拘束議事人員嚴格來講這已經有強制罪的問題了他把議事人員拘束在場域裡面連上廁所都不行 |
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對那接下來今天也是一樣啊今天就是你今天自己帶人進來開鎖開門那請問我們的立法院的這個公共安全及立法院我們的國會尊嚴在哪裡所以這個事情真的我也覺得院長坦白講我一直覺得 |
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立法院院長這一屆韓院長是歷來最辛苦的院長,真的大家有目共睹,因為草以下全部都全程公開。但是這個國會尊嚴的問題,真的如果不解決,我覺得這一屆也不知道國會要如何應做了。以上。特別跟各位黨團幹部還有各位委員報告,如果說外面的所將能夠來開我們不同委員會的門,就代表了 |
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外面的所將可以開任何一個立法院研究室的門這不是光國會尊嚴還一個國會安全所以說這個事情我們剛剛開眾民友就跟大家報告這到底是委員 |
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本身還是助理還是外面所將,我們現在在查這件事情。查完之後,也必須要跟各位黨團幹部做一個報告,我們處理的方式。我想這件事情是相當嚴重,因為我們也沒有發生過這樣的事情。我想這次協商,我們明天早上就麻煩大家,我們九點半到下午三點,我們盡可能 |
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先跟院長報告一下對院長沒不敬的意思我今天早上我自己也要總諮詢啊我工作就排了嘛總諮詢時間是反正這一組就十五分鐘嘛我會想辦法啦就拜託黨團其他的幹部來但我要說的事情是說其實我們大家針對這個院長召集的黨團協商我們一直很配合 |
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但我覺得可能還是要回到我們之前我有一次在黨團協商的時候其實我開宗明義問過的議事規則就法案出了委員會如果要協商、召集過協商那協商沒有成立因為協商來這邊就是共識決嘛協商沒成立就沒成立了嘛那我們就可以定期交院會處理我想要再度的因為針對這麼簡單的議事規則 |
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那一直有人在胡說八道講一堆有的沒的我想要再度確認規則我們立法院的規則應該是這樣我對於立法院自決刑事法的理解應該沒有錯誤吧那謝謝黃國昌總召我在這提醒我們請周秘書長再次跟各位報告因為黃委員提了很多次啦 |
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事由．立法院黨團提議．立法院黨團提議．立法院黨團提議．立法院黨團提議．立法院黨團提議．立法院黨團提議．立法院黨團提議 |
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條例草案（事由．一、研商有關 |
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一定是能弄齊這個一個月後怎麼去認定一定按照當時在第九屆所做的這個情況來處理。 |