| IVOD_ID |
160761 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160761 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-30T09:53:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-30T10:04:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b6da7da99b9423694ba2c82a87492db88b6df88a6e7dffcac2100e055cb59403d354354e2f17e0785ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:53:08 - 10:04:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、經濟部及內政部就「五一勞動節前夕，我國勞工職場預防職業災害及場(廠)墜落事故之檢討與精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月30日及5月1日二天一次會】） |
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好,謝謝,謝謝主席,我請部長跟職安署好,請部長跟職安署的林署長署長好,我的名字是勞動姐,所以今天排這個題目真的是很棒大家都很關心我們的勞工朋友,那我就直接切入主題 |
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我要詢問你公使啦公使啦我們現在記者不管是文字記者不管是電子報的記者不管是攝影大家都很辛苦尤其在作業這個 |
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Focus焦點新聞的時候,就在那邊日以繼夜啊,都要幾枚,幾枝都要排班,幾枝都要摘,一枝要喝涼的,一枝要吃燒的,但是就是在那裡等幾枚齁,請問這個工時是怎麼樣省啊? |
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報告委員,那有關工作時間的部分的話,它包括實際從事工作以及待命的時間,它都是屬於如果它有被受到僱主的拘束,必須要在那邊待命提供勞務的時間,也都是工作時間?僱主限制,所以那個僱主應該是電視台,或者是報社是不是?或製作公司 |
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那演員啊 一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個一個 |
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演員跟其他的工作人員的話可能有點差異因為演員的話他可能本身是一個自營作業的一個情況他是一個專業的人員他透過他的經紀人員跟製作單位簽訂了這樣的一個委任的相關契約所以不太一樣所以這個公使是兩方約定 |
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兩邊約定就好了,還是用承攬企業如果出事的話,是要找誰負責像這個這麼高的地方在攝影,又塞進來那是最聽到的你們這一塊有沒有,我覺得最容易出事的就在這裡還有再來是司機 |
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遊覽車的司機,像我這樣在動彎,在撒汗,在遊覽啦欸,那個司機,大家都什麼時候算選辦時間,什麼時候沒算選辦時間有的說叫你一台遊覽車要請兩個司機,這司機怎麼算?說手放方向盤,叫做在選辦啊,離開,沒方向盤,車輛沒抱的人,這樣就算休息啊,車輛只有一個人 |
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就剩,就剩,就剩要上班時間,所以都把你們逛逛來,阿婆要逛到五碗,她也要逛逛來,她說你人沒有離開,我就,我就,車就熄火,我就可以離開方向盤,欸這個,這個,這個都是問題,一再的發生糾紛,這個怎麼辦? |
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報告委員,那有關遊覽車的這個狀況,那其實我們職安署也有訂定了一個相關遊覽車的檢查的一個專門的一個檢查的見識的方法,那屬於工作時間的部分,他可以把它見識出來。 |
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那如果是休息時間,那也有不同的態樣有的到一個定點,那那個乘客去遊玩,那那個時間的話就會進到勞工的休息時間所以有不同的態樣,那這個相關的檢查要點其實都有去釐清因為現在國民旅遊很多啦,幾乎每天都會發生,每天就在發生每天像我從東港出發,從屏東出發,路邊就停 |
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就聽阿婆阿拉什麼的就去,就出發啦都五六點,六七點就在集合啊在附近到沿岸九點、十點就回來我覺得那廚藝也是很辛苦的,也一個廚藝所以這個都要很注意啦,因為我們勞工大家都很辛苦 |
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要補充,如果出事,也要負責定義,像在拍專輯的,那都是公司嘛,公司的花倒就倒,花糟就糟,金門的,這張照片要靠無法曬,像這張照片,塞在上面會發生意外。 |
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這個都是問題啊,這一塊是最...一般大公司大行你不用擔心他啦他一定照顧你,台積電根本照顧不來台積電要點什麼幫你,你沒有跟他聊天他連你起床我也會起床,每天要講時大的公司,大的上市上柜公司或者法人公司根本不用你去擔心,最要擔心的就是這個 |
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看不到,在腳握,他們每天,像我們記者朋友,我每次看到他們在那邊露喉啊,情緒洪漠,在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼?在等什麼? |
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我想剛剛委員其實提醒的包括我們的演藝人員尤其是藝術表演的工作者表演工作者部分目前其實我們跟文化部那針對大家其實這些公使是不是要更進一步的規範包括植栽的部分其實我們現在跟文化部有建立跨部會的討論然後真的這部分在強化 |
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那再來就是,我要讓你講一個,美國現在川普的,差不多,川普的就是一人泡麵,叫全世界都給他吃完我做醫生就聽,幹,他都給我們吃完,他自己也不想吃 |
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一直都吃漢堡 喝可樂 啊我們都吃牛肉我們還笑著 還笑著叫MASKMASK 啊MASK 說要提升多少錢 說要提升五千個美金結果還是裁員 還要裁27萬個聯邦的員工啊真的裁了十萬人喔 結果呢 |
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他可以省一千五百億美金就像現在BBC啊什麼就出來K他說這人要把他遣散 要把他離職 要把他休退開一千三百多個美金現在那天開沒人做 現在還在找新的員工一百五年 這有效嗎 這要吃了有效嗎 |
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你是醫生喔我不太適合去評論其他國家的政治人物這樣的問題像這種這樣大量解雇大量這樣我們有可能做這種事情當然你在台灣的政治跟行政的環境我們確實不太可能做這樣的事情所以no comment |
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我們不太方便評論其他國家的總統或政治人物好,那最後一個問題,這個災保法災保法,災害保護法這變成法外的孤兒了那這個是RCA的問題,現在尾巴還沒有收這個我在第八屆的時候就有受人處理了,現在處理到最後是怎麼樣很多這種 |
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有沒有,現在到 |
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謝委員 我們長期跟法服基金會有協助他們訴訟有提供律師費 那他們要去抵押扣押財產需要擔保 我們勞動部也出去可以擔保一億的證明後續都是由律師團跟他們的自救會一起在訴訟當中有第一批的人已經贏了 後面還有第二批的人還在繼續訴訟 |
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所以大部分都解決了?他們有分好幾批,現在主要是要扣他的財產扣誰的財產?阿溪的阿溪還有這間公司嗎?在國外的財產你可以去扣國外財產?他們在找你怎麼又請人去外國扣?有自修會他們在找 |
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到國外打官司很貴捏請一個律師要七八百萬台幣捏一兩千萬都有捏所以有在追蹤嗎我想這個案子我們有在做後續的因為這種這個是好久了捏所以這個要諸如此類的勞動部要我一直在講就是說這個看弱勢的家 |
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593.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
597.256 |
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這要時間派空姐,這要五六天就是你要照顧的不然你如果做得好,你就是好的不然啦那老闆說什麼,那你不用管啦 |
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604.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
626.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那些小小的小小的,這樣甩就甩了,他們就很認真這樣啦跟便衣一樣嘛對不對最重要就是偏遠地區的醫療你要提升嘛你從那個牡丹鄉現在要打那個人造衛星的地方那個地方蓄海有一個病人生病要到恆春到東港96分鐘到不了 |
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630.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
654.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
在台北市六分鐘可以做檢驗就到你想要的適當的醫療院所然後台北市的人他每一年的醫療費用我們是九千多億嘛平均兩千三百萬人一個人要四萬塊一個人頭上就capitation就四萬塊在屏東在牡丹他們才要花兩萬幾塊而已他們台北市的人都花六萬幾塊這樣才有辦法 |
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658.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
677.322 |
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你做接種這裡就是要把那裡照顧,那裡如果有平權,你就成功啦,其他都不一樣,都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣都會這樣 |
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683.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
691.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
反正站著又叫我拔白包反正站著沒人處理綜藝叫我丟到外面我常常做這種事情所以是不一樣的樣態所以每天這樣來來回回我的感觸都很深所以柏定你也算機長站著要照顧自己好不好謝謝委員的建議跟提醒謝謝 |