| IVOD_ID |
160726 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160726 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-29T11:18:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-29T11:35:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e3950a5df8d034b4644328f12879eb5066821ab1e45083e6de342268043fcb6bfd08b43458302aa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:18:59 - 11:35:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、4月25日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、4月29日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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麻煩請卓院長金管會財政部備詢 |
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總委員好院長好彭主委好莊部長好委員長今天您在進入議場之前您有接受媒體採訪提到了4100億的特別預算條例那麼我們看到這個特別預算條例當中呢其中包含了什麼包含了你要支持產業包含了國家的國土安全韌性還有照顧民生那另外還有後關稅時期的洗產地的問題違規走廊問題還有國家中大問題 |
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後面這個部分我再來談因為我之前在委員會問過很多經濟部了那請問你認為這當中你說到要支持產業這4100億哪些是支持產業4100億當中我們就產業支持跟安定就業編了930億但是另外還有比方說我認為易駐台電的1000億是產業界非常迫切需要的不要再調漲電價不要關稅電價雙重的衝擊 |
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所以這個也是產業界所需要的有在講說你拿一千億給台電不如一個人一萬塊發一發因為你說照顧產業電價漲了產業出口競爭力削弱但是我們發現金一萬塊給民眾民眾拿一萬塊電價漲了拿來付不就結了嗎你認為這樣的說法你覺得有道理嗎 |
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如果台電的經營現在他的財政沒有辦法健全那未來電價審議委員會把他調漲的話或許是7月或許是10月我不知道如果調漲的話 |
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那麼循環造成的物價的波動帶給整個社會的壓力比拿一萬塊在口袋壓力還要大你的意思是說或許電價漲了我拿了一萬塊 漲的電費沒有一萬塊那麼多但是因為電價漲了 麵包漲 什麼東西都漲我額外支出的生活開銷遠超過這一萬 是不是這樣 |
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一定是的請行政院好好的就這一點跟民眾說明可以嗎我們有請主計總署來核算如果將電價如果調整多少%數會造成物價的波動怎麼回算到每個國人身上的壓力回算回來那另外關於洗產地 違規轉運還有一個問題我們看下一頁 今天的報紙就寫了中國鋼品跟中國啤酒傾銷經濟部已經判成是產業損害囉 |
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請問一下接下來交給財政部在最慢的70天內要判斷有沒有傾銷 |
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我們知道財政部之前對於中國啤酒違規來台灣進行一些不詞的宣傳已經有處置了對不對請部長能不能指示財政部不要七十天一個月內如果經濟部的損害確定反傾銷的部分一個月內做出來可以嗎是的我們會盡快的來做然後對於不管是啤酒也好鋼品也好會盡快按照調查完以後就送關稅審議委員會來盡快決定是不是要課徵臨時的反傾銷稅 |
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院長 問題的嚴重性 那麼責任財政部不要70天 一個月內進度完成可以嗎我們盡快把它完成 讓傳訊我是問院長這個反傾銷的調查會盡快完成好 謝謝 接下來我們看下一頁其實另外要請教的現在我們的在本月初啊 金城資訊 它是一個資訊服務的龍頭很多的銀行 證交所 期交所 都用它的接面接接我那時候問訴發部說 它出現了這個治安的漏洞我們有沒有受到影響 |
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那麼那個副總發部說沒有影響但是我要問的金管會主委現在這些單位都你管的你有沒有知道他們有沒有因此而把金城支付換掉有沒有我想我還沒有接到這樣一個通報不過我們就是金融機構對於資安的部分有它一套的那如果有銀行換掉了金城支付你覺得是不是就有問題 |
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沒有我想這個是屬於銀行自主部分只要他符合我們的這些的資安規定那你們要不要去關心一下如果張三銀行覺得說有問題理事說沒問題金管會要確實一下好不好當然我們會去關心他們在這個執行的狀況至於說他跟個別廠商之間的營業活動我們會從一個法規制度來管理還有不只金融機構所有的銀行金融機構都有一個財經資訊中心這是財政部出資社的 |
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會不會受到波及如果萬一這個支付有破口銀行那邊沒有擋住那每個銀行都跟我們的財經資訊公司連線會不會有破口會不會受到連累我想我們隨時都會關注這個問題委員有提醒的話我們會著手立刻來了解好那我們來看一下現在來請教院長這個是最近很多的新聞 |
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剛剛談到的資產管理中心之外虛擬幣商啊 虛擬資產有人呢 開薑母鴨不夠 還開了虛擬的幣店開了時間來做詐騙那也有呢 幣場這樣的交易所呢協助詐騙集團洗錢院長 你有沒有聽過 你自己有沒有買過虛幣沒有 你有沒有聽過虛幣現在很容易受到詐騙跟洗錢的影響 是的要不要好好管理有 這個金管會已經有適到的 |
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所以我正要問你的問題就是說好來我們看下一頁虛弊防詐主管機關是誰院長你覺得是誰 |
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那我先跟院長講一下我們的法定貨幣持有人不記名有序號但是交易入境要到銀行去提取我們才有辦法追蹤債券有不記名跟記名的那不記名的他們都有序號但是不記名的無法追蹤記名的可追蹤證券有記名有序號可追蹤虛幣問題來了虛幣它有分記名跟不記名但是上鏈之後都可追蹤 |
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所以法幣在銀行裡面交易但是虛幣跟這些有價憑證一樣有價證券一樣是由證期局在管的主委是不是這樣子是的我想這部分其實剛才委員講的是沒有說虛幣有它跟過去我們其他習慣的 |
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這些所謂的現金跟有價證券的這個避留是不一樣的我想但是我們監管會在自從行政院指定我們對具有支付跟投資性質的屬性的虛擬資產為主政的單位我們就積極的來處理這件事情包括我們的檢察人員前一陣子我們也跟檢察大會合作針對避留追蹤的部分 |
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避留其實在目前的數位科技只要上列就可以追蹤但是有一個最重要的是持有人我們看到券商虛幣跟第三方支付到KYC對不對包括我們券商管理規則34條35條之一要確定開戶的客戶身份我們的洗錢房子法第六條也是一樣包括第三方支付也是如此虛資產也是如此而且虛幣要確認客戶的最終責任對不對請問一下他們如何KYC |
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我跟你講一下 現在發生一個問題了那個莊部長 今天的新聞數存戶遭冒用 國營及堵漏什麼意思 |
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我們自然能憑證有人假裝幫你頒貸款拿了你的自然能憑證開了個人頭賬戶那取得線上開戶驗證因為不用本人臨櫃所以有七個行庫已經喊卡了請問目前財政部有沒有了解一下是不是我們的公股銀行都已經做好這個防止冒用的一個動作了沒有錯第一個就是那個數位的開戶用自然能憑證辦的我們公股行戶都喊卡了也就是說這個因為太泛濫公股行戶都有做準備對不對人頭賬戶那民間銀行呢金管會 |
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我想這部分因為其實兩個銀行系統他們對這個都保持高度的警戒我想這部分我們會請銀行局來趕快來處理這件事情看看如何做會比較謝謝主委長要跟您說明一下為什麼我們對人頭戶要給詐團使用這麼防止呢首先如果你是正交 |
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證券的要交割戶在銀行端開所以你在銀行端開交割戶的時候本人就會被KYC如果我是銀行開戶當然是KYC現在連電資業者也要做本人的KYC但是有兩種單位為什麼他們做了KYC之後會出什麼事情會有一個財經資訊公司財經資訊公司會拿你的開戶資料來比對你在其他金融機構 |
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譬如說手機號碼換了,他說有問題,就會透過這個方式來阻卻但是目前第三方支付跟未來的虛幣交易所並沒有辦法連線到財經資訊中心請問莊部長,你同不同意為了防詐讓這兩個機構也可以連線到財經資訊中心去確認KYC,確認這是不是本人 |
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KYC本來就很重要可以防止這種人頭賬戶形成詐騙的一個源頭所以我們看為了有效防止提供人頭賬戶給詐團那麼可以提供第三方支付跟虛幣服務業者透過財經資訊公司來查詢其他金融機構開戶所做的手機號碼來做查核莊部長你同意嗎 |
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是 我想我們會跟央行 財經資訊公司央行主管我們來做一個討論 看要怎麼樣對 是你們出了錢在央行管的 難怪楊總裁在看我那彭主委你覺得有沒有幫助我想只要有助於防詐阻詐 我們都會全力來處置院長你也支持 那請指示三個單位趕快來做好 下一頁我們看一下另外我們有一個問題 |
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就是如果扣押的裁定能否凍結境外具實名制交易所的紮款,我要講的是虛幣我們講,如果虛幣,未來我們有一個虛擬資產服務法草案,現在預告期了,20條只要是境內的虛幣交易所,只要發現異常可以暫停,讓它不能轉出也停止交易 |
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但是境外的虛幣交易所有分兩種一種是實名制的跟台灣一樣一種是非實名制的非實名制的我們沒有辦法實名制的如果我們及時發出扣押裁定目前可以掌握這些國外的虛幣交易所願意配合嗎彭主委你們有沒有去瞭解像你們訂這20條的時候 |
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這個當然是全世界我們因為這個虛擬資產的交易是無國界的差別當然在我們境內我們未來這個專法的時候境內一定會做得到啊境外實名制的呢那境外的部分我們正在想一個辦法從境內有一個管控措施來加強這一部分我想這個是一個全世界必須要努力的一個挑戰所以如果我們國內立法通過之後金管會除了要求國內之外也會努力的去爭取國外實名制的 |
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B交所,CB交易所,能夠配合我們的司法查購,可以嗎?任何有助於我們對這個處理犯罪的,我們一定會來努力,因為這個已經跨境以外但是我覺得這是要透過國際合作來做很好,所以卓院長,這已經超出金管會跟財政部之外了啦這需要另外一個單位叫做法務部,我來說明一下現在司法機關能不能及時開出的扣押裁定,我們往下看 |
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其實呢 阻斷詐騙的債圖金流 我們是追錢為優先但是傳統上司法機關 我們傳統上的財產犯罪我是搶奪 我去偷竊 |
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都會先抓什麼 先抓人追賊啊 才能追張嘛抓到賊 才能以人來追張 是不是這樣傳統都是這樣 抓到了犯人 警察抓到犯人了他身上敲一敲 喔 很多張款 那就查屍主是誰是不是這樣的 院長但是在現在 我們虛擬貨幣的時代呢現在都是數位流通有時候我已經被詐騙了 但要確定兩點第一 我是犯罪被害人 |
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第二這個財產是我的所得是我的財產是我的而且我是因為犯罪受害我才能去要求司法機關開出這個扣押裁定是不是這樣子您是學法的嘛好但是現在又出現一個問題了現在司法機關他確定這是犯罪所得這是詐騙但是遇到虛弊的時候他往往不發給裁定扣押因為他還沒有抓到犯罪的人 |
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職務上司法界還沒有抓到犯罪的人他說我主張我被騙了我的錢在哪裡在那裡以前傳統的犯罪名畫珠寶就算是抓到了章沒有抓到犯罪的人 |
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誰去主張那個珠寶銘畫是他的無法主張但是虛幣可以我可以主張這個虛幣是我的查後這是我的因為受犯罪受害損失的我就可以要求裁定扣押免得被轉出去院長可不可以指示法務部協助包括我們今晚會來幫忙打詐幫助這一點可以嗎 |
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新的一個金融創新之後新的一個形態包括他的犯罪行為也是個形態那是不是這個當事人事格有沒有那個主體是不是出現我想要請法務部來研究一下 |
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請法務部盡速的未來司法機關以追前為優先確認詐款入境後盡速向境外的法院的合作具有實名制虛弊教授來合法扣押核定好不好我們最後一頁再來主委我這個問過你了警示帳號 |
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警察發現有人的帳號就跟金融機構提出警示要有聯防系統嘛但是有人積極有人懶惰上次問過你您說會要求一起都要努力做是不是我們已經把這個相關單位請來做的非常非常嚴密的研究我昨天才跟銀行局 |
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836.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
850.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
所以現在銀行都會積極配合了但是有個問題了我們金融資訊暨聯防通報的電子化平台有兩個部分一個是事前的徵信包括我們農業的農業會的合作社那個信用部 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
850.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
867.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
都可以透過這個資料調閱處理這項廉政但是他同時也是聯防通報那我想除了銀行是不是所有的金融機構都有加入金融資訊及聯防通報電子化平台主委你了解我們現在是有加入但是大家因為技術上的不足有沒有都加入了你確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
869.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
897.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
要不要再確認一下我可以馬上跟我們銀行組長確認一下如果沒有是不是要求全部都要加入那對於所有有助於那個主債這個原則我很清楚我告訴你在哪裡現在呢如果沒有把全部金融機構都納入這個聯防平台詐騙集團會利用在國內尚未加入平台的金融機構譬如說我們會注目的是什麼個人帳戶但是法人帳戶啊一般有的銀行他不受理 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
898.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
918.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
個人帳戶啦 都是法人帳戶結果詐團就利用這個切點把這些可能還沒有納入我們聯防平台的他就用50萬以下的方式把詐團多次運到國外去院長 如果知道有這個漏洞是不是要求金管會全部的金融機構都要納入我們的金融資訊及聯防通報電子化平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
920.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
941.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
儘管我們應該要求所有的金融機構加入平台我們也要做整片整個整體的規劃對打詐這個工作才能辦法有效的遏制好 最後我就這三個訴求提供第三方資物及虛擬資產服務業者透過財經資訊公司查詢其他金融機構開戶的手機號碼有要來防止人頭賬戶第二 協調司法機關競速向境外巨視 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
952.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
954.056 |
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謝謝鍾嘉斌委員質詢謝謝卓院長 各部會首長的備詢 謝謝接下來我們請吳秉瑞委員質詢 |