| IVOD_ID |
16071 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16071 |
| 日期 |
2024-07-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2024070440 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-07-05T10:44:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-07-05T12:44:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:59:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ead56277c358e1b52d0d93e2f57a2419294f242ceca9577839cd2f0c3e732281bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-07-05T11:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院朝野黨團協商（事由：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人及委員鄭天財SraKacaw等17人分別擬具「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案」案。二、委員盧縣一等16人擬具「地方制度法部分條文修正草案」案。三、委員徐富癸等18人擬具「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案」案。四、委員伍麗華SaidhaiTahovecahe等17人擬具「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案」案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:44:33 - 12:44:00 |
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區域不大。」 |
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文修正草案案。 |
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文修正草案案。 |
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文修正草案案。 |
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若今年版本 |
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主席宣告現在我們開始開會各位黨團代表還有行政機關代表大家午安非常謝謝媒體人部部長親自出席那麼我們今天進行的黨團協商主題是繼續協商內政、司法還有法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員 |
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高金素梅等21人以及委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案案。」案極監院會進赴二讀與相關提案閉案協商的本院委員盧縣一等16人地方制度法部分條文修正草案委員徐富癸等18人以及委員吳立華等17人 |
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分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案。」案。然後呢,今天的協商,那個院會又增加了晉赴二讀徐富癸委員和吳麗華委員的提案,我們今天就併案來協商,我們今天一起納入討論。我們現在先介紹一下在場的委員還有行政機關列席的代表。 |
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在場的委員有鄭天財委員、吳麗華委員、徐富癸委員、陳秀寶委員、陳素月委員。出席官員的名單歡迎內政部部長劉世芳部長以及民政司代理司長鄭英宏 |
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名正司地方制度科科長拜淑黃名正司視察黃振傑名正司的專員張法齊名正司的科員簡育瑩原住民主委員會副主任鍾欣華 |
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中和規劃處專門委員曾欣忠、中選會選務處副處長王曉林、科長賴佑中、主計總處公務預算處專門委員李易柔、法務部參事廖江憲、 |
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條文修正草案案 |
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條文修正草案案 |
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條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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條文修正草案案 案。 |
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最近以來大家提供的一個意見所以再一次做修正那其實如果維持本意我們其實就是希望達到說去處理擬具的一個影響過大席次驟降的問題跟 |
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沒有山地鄉的這些縣市沒有辦法選出山地原住民議員這個部分就是特別希望去處理因此在這一次的版本修正我就是希望說一般區域在議員席次的部分就是有去處理總人口數 |
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條文修正草案案 案例一等19人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案 案例一等19人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案 案例一等19人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案 案例一等19人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條條文修正草案 案例一等19人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條條文修正草案 案例一等19人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條條文修正草案 案例一等19人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條條條文修正草案 案例一等19人 |
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條文修正草案：立法院朝野黨團協商．事由：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案．事由．一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案．事由．一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案．事由．一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案．事由．一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告 |
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條文修正草案案 案例 |
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1948.926 |
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1971.855 |
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還有盧縣一委員好還有黃秀芳委員好歡迎來到內政委員會好謝謝好有關本日的協商會議本席在5月15號有召集本法案第一次的協商的時候就有關晉赴二讀盧縣一委員的提案除了第三十三條於 |
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1973.615 |
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1993.968 |
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審查會通過的修正有關聯性之外,盧委員所提的其餘條文,我們就先不予增訂或維持現行條文。所以,今天我們的協商,我們仍然聚焦來修正地方制度法第三十三條的條文內容。 |
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1994.989 |
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2021.46 |
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條文修正草案案案案。另外本席在5月15號的時候最後我的裁示是說請內政部將本席以及吳立華委員所提的兩個修正動議版本帶回去檢視條文的內容就如何來保障平地原住民以及山地原住民的參政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2022.66 |
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2039.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
條文修正草案：立法院朝野黨團協商：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告 |
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2069.639 |
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還有議員希望能夠更加釐清。最後有關討論本條原住民人口分佈擬具的部分,我們也請內政部提供更精確的數字,讓本條的修正條文能夠更加的完善。不知道內政部今天是不是有把上述相關資料準備好了,我們現在是不是先請內政部的部長先說明一下,謝謝。 |
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2100.171 |
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謝謝昭緯還有謝謝關心地方制度法的委員來參加今天的這個審查以及我們的政黨協商那剛剛那個高金委員所提到的部分就是說有關席次人口擬具的部分我大概很簡單報告一下呢我們現在請我們的同仁去印一下我們所依照目前的人口數所算出來的部分提供給各位參考好嗎好麻煩一下我昨天晚上才出來好不好意思比較困擾一點好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2103.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
條文修正草案案 |
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2120.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2126.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
條文修正草案案件事宜一等列印一等列印一等列印一等列印一等列印一等列印一等列印一等列印一等列印一等列印一等列印一等列印一等列印 |
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2149.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2150.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
條文修正草案案件事宜及委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2166.378 |
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2185.879 |
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基本上大家都了解這個狀況也是會今天來參加協商的主要原因我就修正建議的分析跟大家報告一下第一個就是高金昭偉所提的修正動議在議員的部分山地原住民的議員增加4席非原住民的議員增加5席 |
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2213.997 |
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但是在代表的部分有可能山地原住民的代表會增加9席平地原住民的代表最多可能減少到51席非原民代表的增加9席但是雖然可以適度來保障山地原住民的參政權但是下一屆屏東縣議員席次的驟減問題沒有辦法解決而且人口減少的縣市或者鄉鎮的話對於非原住民議員跟代表席次會有增加的情形 |
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第三、如果原住民代表改採外加,導致部分鄉鎮市平地原住民代表的席次可能會大幅減少。第二個有關於武力華委員的修正動議的部分,在議員的部分,山地原住民的議員是增加4席, |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
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條文修正草案：一等13人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：一等13人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：一等13人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：一等15人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：一等15人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：一等15人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條條文修正草案：一等15人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條條文修正草案：一等15人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條條文修正 |
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2253.69 |
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第三、原住民代表維持內涵會擠壓到17席非原住民代表的席次這兩個修正動議我再跟大家說明一下這是上一次5月15日的時候兩位非常關心山地原住民議員的參政權的部分但是我們在經過溝通之後我想大家已經越來越趨向相同的見解所以我們有幾個建議的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2296.275 |
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一、為保障原住民及非原住民的參政權益,且兼顧人口減少縣市,非原住民議員不至於因修法反而有增加或鄉鎮市代表因修法而其次減少的狀況。 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2297.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2324.823 |
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建議只有修正原住民議員改裁外加的保障非原住民議員的席次人口擬具只有一個擬具改就是八十萬人的條件為七十萬人那另外會增訂非原住民議員席次維持一百一十一年的席次條款那除了這個以外可能各位委員手上的就是我們剛剛所提供的這個非常複雜的這個表格請大家看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2326.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
條文修正草案案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2354.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2354.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
徐富癸等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2393.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
很感謝部長的說明和報告繼續我們也歡迎李柏宇委員今天也來了現場現在請問一下在場的委員吳麗環委員也有提一個修正動議條文對不對那您的修正動議條文跟您的今天又提的二讀進入協商的條文有什麼不同嗎還是一樣等一下我們先請鄭天財委員謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2396.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2397.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
條文修正草案案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2411.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2414.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
條文修正草案案案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2436.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2441.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
條文修正草案案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2459.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2460.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
條文修正草案案 案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2483.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2486.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
審查委員高金素梅等19人分別擬具〈地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案〉案。第三十三條的第一項大家看一下直轄市議員剛剛聽部長的意思是說沒有問題外加對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2511.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2514.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具〈地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2538.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2539.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
條文修正草案案案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2558.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2577.248 |
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內政部對那我們就來看一下內政部按照我們上次的協商條文的部分的對於不管是體力不然是文字在哪一邊部分我們就我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2593.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2613.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
部長是這一份嗎?主席,我可以說明一下嗎?跟我手上這個是一樣嗎?應該是不一樣,它是今天才提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2615.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2623.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
條文修正草案．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商． |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2642.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2670.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
我必須要說明一下,如果部長因為這個今天的朝野協商是我們今天開始然後沒有開始之前吳立華委員的修正動議版本是還沒有進來討論的所以你們私底下就跟吳立華委員討論說他要用他的修正版本來按照他的修正版本然後提文字我覺得身為召委的我是非常不受尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2671.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2695.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
如果你們是以他的剛剛提出來的修正動議版本要來跟你們現在內政部提出來的這個條文你們感覺非常不尊重召委好不好所以現在是等一下對不起還是先讓我理清楚一下所以現在部長您是針對上一次1130515 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2699.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2700.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
審查委員高金素梅等19人分別擬具〈地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2724.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2733.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
所以部長您現在要提出來的就是您們認為協商條文的部分來做整理是不是這樣的意思? |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2735.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2763.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
報告召委我想都沒有問題就是說剛剛有委員有提到說他有修正東西要加進來那我們也可以接受那如果高金召委會覺得說要用一個是先一個是後對就是你們要用的版本就是說我剛剛有提到已經擺在那上面的版本如果是要用這個版本的話那就是以這個會需要有修正文字的部分來做修正這是一個說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2764.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2790.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
那剛剛那個因為吳委員他有提到說他有個修正動議那要不要一起討論那我們也都尊重對一起討論是可以但是你們剛剛的說法是由他的修正動議版本來修你們的文字這個我就不接受好不好因為如果掉出錄影帶你們剛剛說法是這樣那如果你們修正你們的說法的話朝委的權限就沒有被侵犯到那我就接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2791.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2805.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
所以今天有吳立華委員修正動議版本那麼我也提我的修正動議版本然後還有現在內政部你們針對這兩個修正動議版本你們覺得可以一併來討論是不是這樣的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2808.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2829.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
本席必須召委,我必須要堅守我們做召委的一個立場。如果一個是先一個是後,因為吳立華委員是民進黨也就是你們執政黨的委員,如果你們私底下都講好把你的版本跟他版本弄在一起,然後今天再提修正統一版本,召委的權限就會覺得被受到挑戰。 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2830.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2831.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
條文修正草案案案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2851.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2852.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
條文修正草案案 案件 案件 案件 案件 案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2881.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2891.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
租委修正動議版本及內政部提出的修正動議條文。」所以你的意思就是說我們兩位委員的修正動議版本按照這個基底來談論? |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2915.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2915.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
3110.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3137.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
非常謝謝大家很和諧的已經討論完了我還是再一次的再說明一下今天我們就不要提任何一個修正動議了好不好我們就簡單化我們就以上次的協商條文為基底如果各委員或者是部長各行政機關你們有覺得要一些修正的我們就以這個基底來修正好不好來我們看一下第三十三條的第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
3140.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3159.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
議員鄉鎮市民代表分別由直轄市民、縣市民、鄉鎮市民依法選舉之,任期四年連選得連任。」應該這沒有問題吧?這齁,第一項應該是沒有問題齁?對,來,我們請醫事人幫我宣讀好了好不好?來,第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
3167.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3172.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
第二項第二項第二項第二項第二項第二項第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
3188.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3216.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
第二款第一目依區域一元名額縣市人口扣除原住民人口在一萬人以下者不得超過十一人人口在二十萬人以下者不得超過十九人人口在四十萬人以下者不得超過三十三人人口在八十萬人以下者不得超過四十三人人口在一百六十萬人以下者不得超過五十七人人口超過一百六十萬人者不得超過六十人但該縣市五原住民一元名額者原住民人口應計入縣市人口 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
3217.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
3217.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
條文修正草案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
3233.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3234.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
3250.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3272.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
以上這個第一幕第二款第一幕的部分我們把80改為70應該沒問題吧那個好沒問題還有下面的那個也是在第一段的部分吼那邊有寫但依第二幕規定計算無原住民一員名額者原住民人口應計入之 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
3273.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
3299.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
就是現在黑黑的,在螢幕上那個黑黑的但該縣市無原住民議員名額者是個嗎?但該縣市無原住民議員名額者,原住民人口應記入之。應記入之就好了是不是?後面的不要?應記入之?你講你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
3301.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3316.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
二、建議那個但書的部分完整的文字是不是但依第二目規定計算無原住民議員名額者原住民人口應記錄之。把條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
3317.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3344.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
你們有準備好那個條文嗎?有,那我跟大家解釋一下就是說原住民的議員名額目前依各位委員的版本是1500名就算嘛齁那但是如果沒有達到1500名的時候呢他的人口總數要記錄原來的縣市人口總數來算變成說可能是區域來選意思是這樣子他只是比較完整來代表原來有跟沒有山地原住民議員的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
3345.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3346.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
人口整數的計算方式。 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
3360.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3368.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
單一第二目規定計算五原住民一元名額者原住民人口應計入職。第二目規定計算五原住民一元名額者原住民人口應計入職。 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
3383.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
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第二幕原住民一元名額有平地原住民人口在1500人以上者應有平地原住民選出之縣市一元名額有山地原住民人口在1500人以上者應有山地原住民選出之一元名額有山地鄉者應有山地原住民選出之縣議員名額無山地鄉之縣市山地原住民平地原住民人口數均未達1500人以上者且原住民人口數在1500人以上者應有原住民選出之一元名額 |
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條文修正草案：立法院朝野黨團協商：事由：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條條文修正草案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告 |
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後面就一樣。或有三立相者應有三立原住民選出之一元民俄。後面部分沒變。另外合計的這個部分就是說沒有到達一千五三 |
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條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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我們來看下文字,我們再來看這個從開始原住民一元名額冒號是不是?是。然後有平地原住民人口在1500人以上則應由平地原住民選出這縣市一元名額,這個沒有問題嘛對不對?之一元名額。之一元名額。縣市拿掉。對。 |
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選出之議員名額有三地原住民人口在一千五百人以上者。 |
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以上或有三地鄉者應有三地原住民選出之縣議員。無三地鄉的縣市三地原住民平地原住民人口數均為達1500人以上者且原住民人口數在1500人以上者。 |
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因有原住民選出之議員名額。 |
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條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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對,那另外也有考慮說對於類似像加勢對於這個議長的選舉可能有一些不預期的一些變數等等是不是把它單純化 |
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條文修正草案案案例 |
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條文修正草案案案案案 |
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條文修正草案案 案件,除了剛講雲林,你說你已經達到了。這是在盡量去減少就是說,這個既然三眼平眼在這個地方都已經有超過1500人以上,就有原住民,他就不分三眼平眼,就有原住民的譯言。譬如說我不知道未來,未來不知道是誰哪個地方,譬如說嘉義市,我舉個例子,嘉義市 |
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條文修正草案案件事宜等19人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案案件事宜等19人分別擬具 |
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我們請盧縣一委員和王美惠委員謝謝因為看到這個貨我想說改成集因為在高雄市的一個例子來說高雄市有三個原民鄉也就是桃園、納馬俠跟茂林我知道可是呢對都會區的原住民就不公平啊因為他本身就是住在都會區的三園卻沒有一席他其實人口是已經超過一千五遠遠超過那他只保障三個三個原鄉可是我們在都會區的原住民呢他們要他們的 |
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服務範圍非常廣,所以應該這個是要改成集。主席,在此我要向我們審判單位探討一下,因為你們的資料及本身我就是在家裡持,所以在我們全台灣來看,配合金門連江, |
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審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具 |
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本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具 |
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條文修正草案案案件事由：立法院朝野黨團協商：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案案件事由：立法院朝野黨團擬具 |
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條文修正草案案 案。 |
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條文修正草案案 案。 |
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我來補充一下美會委員的說法我們來看一下紅字的這個意思紅字的這個意思就是說在都會區裡面他並沒有原住民鄉山地原住民鄉但是呢在沒有山地原住民鄉的都會區的原住民的人口不管是山園或平原加起來有達到1500個人以上他們就可以互選一名議員的意思 |
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條文修正草案 案 |
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條文修正草案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告 |
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三、委員徐富癸等19人分別擬具〈地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案〉案 |
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條文修正草案案案案案 |
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三地原住民或平地原住民他們個別都沒有選出人的時候他們可以互相選那麼那個統稱叫做原住民議員所以你如果紅色這個字拿掉的話這個部分就完全沒有被保障到了對不對好不好謝謝秦美惠對不起美惠那個吳立華委員有舉手然後待會再美惠委員謝謝 |
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條文修正草案案 |
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條文修正草案‧連江嘉義等18人擬具他目前要達到這個紅色條文的一個目標是可能還有一段距離但是未來是有可能這個部分因為既然以前滿1500人都可以有平原所以我們才會去處理山地原住民如果滿1500人也應該要有自己的山園那也既然如此未來如果說加起來總 |
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條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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條文修正草案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併 |
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二、委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具〈地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案案〉案 |
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可在該住民的所在去簽約,因為北省有款他去簽這個補考的選項,他跟查法規的局可以相為該住民的機關,該住民的機關有可能去變動及議期,以及一定的選舉。所以那時候我開會的時候,我就是有兩種, |
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條文修正草案案案案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
條文修正草案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及 |
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所以在這裏面,抱歉,那時候所以我地裏面的公務情策部會覺得說有意見的我也要講W加其企業未來,我也要講跟你們我們找出最好的辦法來,因為我剛才說的說所有這裏面的聯盟配合 |
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條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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條文修正草案案例846跟444加起來是1290所以他其實要達到1500的時候都是幾百票我都理解你的說法所以這個部分待會也能不能請行政單位來做一些回應或者是如何杜絕防範這個部分好不好我們繼續請陳秀寶 |
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一等16人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條 |
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徐富癸等18人擬具徐富癸等18人擬具 |
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事由：立法院朝野黨團協商．事由：立法院朝野黨團協商． |
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好 謝謝我們這個請行政單位來回應一下因為目前來講可能每會比較擔憂的因為好像數據來說加疫是的確是級距非常的小那你們會有什麼樣的因應防範措施還是怎麼樣請部長謝謝 |
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桑美芬議員 |
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條文修正草案案案例 |
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報告一、一千五百人人口是原住民的話就會有一席原住民的議員不管他是山地或者是山園或者是平原那在我們計算這個總人口數的時候他就必須要扣除掉然後再去計算非原住民的議員的名額 |
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但是因為我們希望可以把高金委員所主張的外加的部分加進去所以我們就從善如流把所有的每個縣市的所有議員的名額維持在111年在各位的這張大表裡面所以如果你增加出來的原住民的議員的名額沒有超過這個總額的話都可以算進去 |
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條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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條文修正草案案例 |
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條文修正草案：立法院朝野黨團協商：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具 «地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：一、本院內政、司法及法制度法第三十三條條 |
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事由：立法院朝野黨團協商：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具 |
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現在要修的,因為你有可能這個如果沒有刪掉,我自己的未來,有可能給一席啦。不過現在就是說,選議長的選舉,在我自己當局以來,都差不多一席在那裡競選議長啦。 |
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會因為有人操弄去叫人加入這裡現在叫一個官組員出來選一定會中的因為一部席一隻席啊所以那席會應用到加入市議會議長的選舉這樣啦不對嗎我現在是這麼擔憂這樣因為可以 |
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條文修正草案案案件事由：立法院朝野黨團協商：立法院司法及法制兩委員會報告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
條文修正草案案案案案 |
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委員我聽到你的意思,但是我要跟你講的部分就是說,我們本來是以高金素梅到吳立法版本的時候,你看這張圖裡面,裡面是23加0啦但是如果把這個加上去的話,假設說在你們現在人口是1290嘛,可能再有210個人的話就變成23加1啦 |
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二、委員徐富癸等18人擬具 |
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條文修正草案案案例 |
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三、委員徐富癸等18人 |
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主要拜託我不是對原住民沒禮貌喔主要拜託原住民就來跟議員選舉我這位議員會選舉給他一千十八出頭的一個做四檔的議員的合理什麼都不要講合幅都不要講一個可以變跟議員的議長會選舉 |
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三、委員徐富癸等18人擬具〈地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案案〉案 |
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條文修正草案案案件,則二、委員徐富癸等19人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案案件,則二、委員徐富癸等19人分別擬具 |
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美惠議員我再提醒你一下齁縱使這兩個不加在一起齁有心人要操作齁其實他在山園或是平原那邊在增加席次他也會出現這樣子的問題所以他依然沒有辦法他依然沒有辦法解決你的就是說會影響到議長選舉的問題啦但是主席在這兩天齁他如果不要加下去齁你說 |
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條文修正草案案案案案 |
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二、委員徐富癸等18人擬具 «地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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條文修正草案案 案。 |
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5040.634 |
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二、委員林佑昌部長等19人分別擬具〈地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案案〉案 |
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文匯委員其實你的擔憂你的顧慮稍微我都聽懂我們站場的大家都聽懂但是我還是必須要先釐清楚一件事情第一件事情如果有人要刻意操作他依然都可以操作 |
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二、委員徐富癸等18人擬具 «地方制度法部分條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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但是我始終認為這是兩個議題,如果真的是有人要有心操作,其實你這麼一講他馬上就要去操作了。846人那一塊,846人那總不能因為就是擔心加一加,然後我們其他都會區的這個原住民的這個權益就會被剝奪,所以美惠你再考慮一下好不好? |
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我們先保留我們先保留然後來第三幕來謝謝請宣讀第三幕離島議員名額離島議員名額有離島鄉且該鄉人口在2500人以上者應有該鄉選出之縣議員名額 |
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現在因為離島議員的部分現在離島縣有一些像北甘、白沙跟列嶼它是依照它的人口數本島跟離島的人口的比例來做依照目前像白沙、北甘、列嶼它有兩席 |
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分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案案 案例一等16人擬具:「地方制度法部分條文修正草案 案例一等16人擬具:「地方制度法部分條文修正草案 案例一等16人擬具:「地方制度法部分條文修正草案 案例一等16人擬具:「地方制度法部分條文修正草案 案例一等16人擬具:「地方制度法部分條文修正草案 案例一等16人擬具:「地方制度法部分條文修正草案 案例一等16人擬具:「地方制度法部分條文修正草案 |
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一前二目規定計算之名額內應有該鄉選出之議員名額。 |
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我維持內涵的意思 |
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條文修正草案．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商． |
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第二幕鄉鎮市有平地原住民人口在1500人以上者,應有平地原住民選出之鄉鎮市民代表名額。山地鄉以外之鄉鎮市有山地原住民人口在1500人以上者,應有山地原住民選出之鄉鎮市民代表名額。 |
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文字兄弟有沒有意見?行政單位因為這個是改裁外加的概念那剛剛有報告有部分的鄉鎮可能會減少很多的席次所以我們建議還是維持內涵的精神那這個粗製的部分是不是可以刪除哪一個可以刪除?粗的、黑的、長黑的山地鄉以外的鄉鎮那個主要是姊姊主動的 |
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條文修正草案案。 |
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第二章那個寫鄉證的那個部分請各位看一下如果採取外加的話像黃色的部分屏東縣的滿洲鄉花林的富里跟秀林他依照他目前的人口都不到1500可是他有一席如果改採外加他不到1500他馬上這一席 |
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徐富癸等18人擬具徐富癸等18人擬具徐富癸等18人擬具 |
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光復、台東卑南等原來有六席,如果一千五一席,馬上由六席減成一席,其他部分也減少很多。因此,因為代表部分改採外加,有這種大幅減少的情況,所以我們建議說,這個部分還是不做修正。 |
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那個如果要去解決剛才會減少那個部分如果要維持這個條文文字那然後也要解決剛才那個問題有沒有辦法改那怎麼改應該是朝這個方向去改啊 |
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二、跟委員報告因為現在代表的這個席次的產生是原住民跟非原住民是以他人口的比例來計算他原民跟非原民的席次 |
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條文修正草案：立法院朝野黨團協商．事由：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案．事由：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告協商．事由．一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告協商．事由．一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告協商．事由．一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告協商．事由．一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員 |
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條文修正草案案案案案案 |
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我的意見跟鄭委員一樣因為上次這個是我那個修正動議的條文啦我就是因為看那個大院審查情形他說如果我這樣子會弄到非原住民代表減少17席我是覺得影響很大所以我自己也但是就是跟鄭委員的意思一樣其實我們其實都是為了要去解決 |
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條文修正草案．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商． |
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條文修正草案案 案。到底要怎麼做?這個可能是不是內政部有辦法可以想得到?謝謝。好,這樣好不好?我們第二幕也暫時保留一下,大家來及時廣映一下。接著下來第三項。第三、第四、第五、第六、第七都沒有保留嗎?所以現在我們回過頭來,所以第二幕 |
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條文修正草案案的第二目和第三款的第二目。主席,我們是不是休息三分鐘?我正要休息三分鐘,讓徐首相跟大家討論一下。好,謝謝。 |
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有準備便當還沒吃便當的人可以吃還對來我們剛剛鄉鎮民代表後面還有一個要要加上一段捏加上一段來你要剛我所說的111年那個要那個那個東西要放到這裡面來 |
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條文修正草案案 案。 |
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條文修正草案案案案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
條文修正草案案案案案 |
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條文修正草案：立法院朝野黨團協商：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：立法院朝野黨團協商：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：立法院朝野黨團協商：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告 |
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條文修正草案：立法院朝野黨團協商．事由：立法院朝野黨團協商．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商． |
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兩個字我覺得有點錯愕就是說因為剛開始就是說如果我們現在沒有三元現在本來有平原那今天有三元之後他們可以投以自己的族類去投那如果沒有的話他們會被迫投給區域我聽到被迫這兩個字其實我受傷了一下但其實以我們來講我們在服務我們是都沒有分的 |
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三、委員徐富癸等18人擬具 |
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條文修正草案案案例 |
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謝謝,謝謝協法委員的提示,其實我剛剛講被迫這兩個字,是我們的族人轉述給我的,那個不管是投給區域的立委也好,或者是山園投給平原,平原投給山園,他們好像總是有這個,覺得好像有一點點,我們來修正一下,我也會提醒我的族人,我們的修正以後不再用這種字,好嗎?謝謝你的提醒,好。 |
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我們現在趕快回歸到我們現在剛剛的第二幕的部分美會委員所擔心的剛剛大家集思廣立了一下美會委員你要不要有一些你的看法跟提議主席謝謝給我第三遍的發言感謝因為我覺得我的擔憂因為我也不能去應用到人們的管理 |
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條文修正草案案案例 |
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條文修正草案案例 |
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條文修正草案案 案 兩稱一雙,因為我們大部分是官組委員會簽約的,還是三地會簽約的一個議員,我們兩個加起來,我覺得應該是一、兩稱的,我覺得很適當,我拜託我們的主席 |
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審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案案案案件事上,我們真的有非常多的族人都已經移居到都市來了。那為了解決我們這個美會委員的疑慮,我們也不希望一下子就把這個擬具調得那麼近。所以其實呢,昭偉我還有剛剛跟其他的委員、原住民的委員還有這個 |
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條文修正草案：立法院朝野黨團協商：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等21人分別擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告 |
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條文修正草案：一、本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告併案審查委員高金素梅等19人分別擬具 |
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條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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文修正草案案例 |
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條文修正草案案 案件 案件 案件 案件 案件 案件 案件 案件 案件 |
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6791.94 |
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條文修正草案案 案 第四項的部分原來的文字拿掉然後我們加上剛剛行政部門給我們列的紅色的這個文字請在場的委員看一下 包委員還有什麼意見葉木的部分是不是加幾個文字因為你要加在哪裡第二行的第二行鄉鎮 |
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6820.49 |
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6835.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
相正室有平地原住民人口在一千五百人以上者,然後加於前目總額內應有平地原住民選出之相正室民代表平額,也就是說維持原來的內涵。 |
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6866.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
第二行在1500人以上者的後面是嗎?於前目總額內應有平地原住民選出之鄉鎮市民代表名額。秀出紅字的部分是剛剛加上去的,請在場的委員看一下。 |
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6871.585 |
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6873.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
這是現行條文的文字。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
文修正草案案 案。第二幕,鄉鎮市有平地原住民人口在1500人以上者。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
以前某種額內應有平地原住民選出這鄉鎮市民代表名額。第四項,原來的修正條文的那個整個文字拿掉,然後放入現在紅色的文字,請大家看一下。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
條文的文字是本法中華民國某年某月某日修正之條文施行後,依第二項規定計算之縣市區議員名額多於111年11月26日選出名額者。 |
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選出名額者,除離島縣人口多於111年5月31日之人口五千以上,其餘縣市人口多於四萬以上者外, |
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6997.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
以111年11月26日選出名額為其名額,不適用第二項的規定,也就是說111年11月26日選出的名額為準,如果多的話,除了離黨他在多於111年5月30日選舉前半年的這個數字 |
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多出五千人,這五千是目前最低擬具的人口數,多五千的話,多一席的一員。那離島的這個部分,如果他人口有多出五千的話,可以多出一席。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
案。另外其他縣市的部分如果有多出四萬的話可以增加一席。這個也就是目前四十萬到八十萬擬具的部分每增加四萬可以增加一席的一員。那如果他沒有增加的情況就維持一百一十一年十二月二十六日選出的名額,也就是名額不會改變。以上說明。好,請問一下園民會,你們聽到這有沒有什麼意見? |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
條文修正草案 案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
條文修正草案．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商．事由．立法院朝野黨團協商．事由．立法院朝野黨團擬具 |
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| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
文修正草案案。協商結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
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一、委員盧縣一等16人提案增訂第四條之一、第八十三條之九至第八十三條之十一不予增訂。二、第八十三條之二、第八十三條之三及第八十三條之七均維持現行條文不予修正。三、第三十三條照協商條文通過。宣讀完畢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
7138.612 |
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| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
條文修正草案 |