| IVOD_ID |
16070 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16070 |
| 日期 |
2024-07-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第21次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第21次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-07-05T08:30:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-07-05T18:55:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
10:24:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609d56277c358e1b52dad9f551ce5fa921f4f242ceca957783912fbd1b2b36c2b065ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-07-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第21次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。
二、7月5日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、7月9日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:15 - 18:55:00 |
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主席、各位官員、各位委員、各位媒體朋友早安。 |
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本席今天想講的是第六波COVID疫情已經襲來。衛福部官方也預估,7月中就診人數將達到12萬人,染疫人數來到6萬人。上週新增了64例死亡病例,為此波疫情的新高,較前一週上升了6成之多。 |
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全國目前的急診都塞爆在後疫情時代跟病毒共存已經是我們國人必須學習的課題但是呢這場天災造成太多的遺憾跟苦難根據WHO顯示全球2020年的平均愚民 |
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因為COVID-19已經退回2012年的水平而臺灣在2021年2022年的平均愚民也呈現負值疫情所造成的影響遠比我們想像中還要嚴重 |
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上週五我跟立法院後生會共同召開了一個後疫情時代新冠防疫政策總檢討公聽會,邀請了許多的專家學者為府部各部會共商後疫情的公衛防疫政策。這些來自第一線的建言都非常的具體寶貴,但我很擔心政府可不可以聽取而且執行。 |
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因為啊其實衛福部有一個為期6年的新型傳染病以及流感大流行應變準備邊境檢疫計劃總經費達到40億結果呢今年第三年總計劃經費執行的達成率只有13%三年計劃經費達成率也只有16%三年完成不到兩成 |
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2090.479 |
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難道剩下的三年可以一次趕進度八成嗎?該計畫提到要建立藥物使用機制快速部署分配機制也要收集各種各國的藥物儲備策略等等但是這些計畫的進度都嚴重落後它公布在公共政策網路參與平台上落後的原因它需要分析七項 |
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2091.739 |
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2109.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
結果衛福部直接不演了必須說明落後原因的分析7項裡面有6項衛福部直接躺平分析寫無並且沒有提供落後分析的原因也沒有機關因應的對策其中包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
2110.382 |
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2130.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
通報應變能力、擴大民間參與、深化防疫旅遊概念、還有儲備有限管理、各個的藥物、疫苗、個人防護裝備等等全部都寫無。所以在這樣子不積極、不作為的狀況之下,低效能進行防疫,這樣子的疫情就... |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
2135.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
2137.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
主席各位同仁民進黨當家鬧事就是想掩蓋施政的無能 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
2160.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
2178.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
上個月才在月議場裡面高喊沒有討論沒有民主的民進黨團昨天在排審選罷法修正案的內政委員會的時候公然示範不想討論違反民主的鬧劇放著民進黨自己當三個委員會的召委不管空轉不開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
2179.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2188.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
直接跑到內政委員會來鬧事搶議事錄搶麥克風還軟禁議事人員我們要說一再製造惡力製造讓議事人員受傷受苦的狀況這一點就是民進黨在這個會期裡面開的首要惡力 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
2198.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2220.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
五月十七號攻擊周萬來秘書長,昨天軟禁議事人員。我們真的要問,當看到召委高金樹梅強忍身體不舒服,不斷呼籲民進黨的委員尊重開會討論的時候,民進黨黨團卻可以鎖門吃炸雞,囚禁議事人員還洋洋得意,這樣的土匪行為,國人能夠接受嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2221.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2250.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
再者民進黨不想討論這次的選罷法修法卻忽視了兩年前才有三位民進黨的委員領銜提案並且提出一模一樣的修法內容兩年前自己提案修法內容兩年後卻不想討論甚至還誣衊這次的修法是要搶救謝國良但事實這次的修法根本不會適用在基隆市的罷免案所以說到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2250.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2276.708 |
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就是想要掩蓋賴清德少數的執政無能只想要搞明年的全台大罷免。罷免是作為選舉的救濟但現在卻變成民進黨短時間選舉翻盤的遊戲選輸不甘願四年等不及就想要仇恨動員這就是民進黨現在的陽謀嗎?更不用講現在的施政到底狀況如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
2278.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2301.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
一個多月上任了新內閣新團隊但我們現在看到的是澎湖的漁船超過48小時到目前為止賴清德總統有出來講一句話嗎?能源的問題過去這一個月跳電斷電狀況不斷每每都推給小動物到底有那麼多小動物還是我們的電網真的韌性不足呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2302.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2318.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
還有現在有媒體在上個禮拜報導說有大陸人士來盯哨我們的政論節目到現在一個禮拜過去了昨天外交國防委員會也要討論但是沒有開會沒有辦法質詢我們只想問現在民進黨政府到底查的如何 |
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2340.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
﹗ |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2344.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2349.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
謝謝洪孟凱委員的發言。接下來請登記第三號張家俊委員發言。 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2371.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2390.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
在臺灣,詐騙就如同一場瘟疫,籠罩在我們的生活中,不但完全沒有終止的跡象,而且越來越嚴重。過去這幾年來,政府喊了相當多的打詐口號,但是根據警政署的統計,2020年臺灣詐騙的案件涉案金額為42.5億。 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2397.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2399.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
到了2021年變成了56億。2022年的69.5億。到了2023年直接成長到88億。年年增長。然而這些數字只是有報案的數字。根據全球反詐聯盟GASA統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2420.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2420.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
台灣2022年到2023年之間因為詐騙財產損失已經高達2000億。 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2430.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2449.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
﹚台幣將近全年GDP產值的1%,我們政府是在騎U-Bike,詐騙集團早就在開特斯拉了,打詐的成績完全跟不上詐騙的速度。根據警政署的資料,2023年 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2451.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2458.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
詐欺案件發生數為38000多件,較前年增加8314件,增加了28.17%。 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2465.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2484.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
破獲數36000多件破獲率高達95%這是大家對於詐騙的認知嗎?這是一般民眾對於詐騙的認知嗎?警政署公布這麼高的破案率政府對外宣稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2485.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2508.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
打詐已經有了成效,卻沒有追根究柢,永遠也彌平不了人民的血淚與損失。詐騙的首腦依舊逍遙法外,百姓依舊徬徨無助。除了查緝以外,從源頭杜絕詐騙的管道更是重中之重,尤其網路詐騙已經成為詐騙主要的手段。 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2513.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2535.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
數位部應該扛起重大責任為人民把關,而不是面線點得到,打詐騙卻打不到。數位部在2022年成立以來,2022年正是詐騙金額成長最高的一年,多麼的諷刺。 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2536.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2540.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
謝謝張家俊委員的發言。接下來請登記第4號徐宇貞委員發言。 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2576.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2599.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
主席、各位官員、還有各位媒體先進。大家早。流氓民進黨輸不起,荒唐行徑再破紀錄。國會改革無法通過之後,民進黨賴清德輸不起,無法接受非綠民意在立法院行使調查權,先是讓行政院提出復議,再史無前例地讓四個單位提出釋憲。 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2601.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2620.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
如今還想展開遍地風火式的罷免先是抹黑本席所提的公職人員選罷法的修正案希望能夠把罷免票數高於當選票數的修法提案回顧第10屆立法院選罷法修法的提案的狀況現任的立委郭國文、賴瑞榮 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2621.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2647.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
都有提出跟我一模一樣的版本就是修正第九十條當時民進黨的柯建民總召還有時任民進黨團幹事長的劉世芳現任的我們的部長都公開的表示應該要檢討修正罷免制度還強調罷免門檻有必要提高並慎重考慮是否有必要維持民意代表可被罷免的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2648.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2673.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
這幾年罷免案經常發生,這與低門檻的罷免制度設計有很大的關係。雖說罷免制度可以讓民眾有機會下架不適任的公職人員,但是我們必須要警惕罷免制度淪為有心人政治鬥爭和政治報復的工具。民主制度需要健全的機制來保護,而不是任由罷免被濫用。 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2675.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2692.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
2016 2016年選罷法修正後的罷免制度已經形成罷免比當選容易的畸形制度。罷免門檻偏低,除了會變相鼓勵罷免,讓敗選的一方容易操作罷免,成為選舉的延長賽。 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2694.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2710.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
先是選舉罷免再補選不利於民主良善的發展更耗費國家社會的資源因此才會不分黨派紛紛提出罷免門檻的修正案昨天內政委員會高金素梅召委 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2711.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2736.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
排定審查選罷法。但民進黨團在柯敬明總召的帶領下一早就霸佔了內政委員會的會議室,杯葛議事運作,沒收我們議案討論的權利,甚至搶奪議事人員的議事路,軟禁我們的議事人員,限制人身的自由。民進黨為了私利玩法弄權,成了名符其實的民進 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2737.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2759.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
民主進步黨我要問賴清德這就是你想要的立法院只要民進黨不同意什麼法案都不能過嗎?什麼法案都要黨嗎?現在是民主獨裁的時刻嗎?我要呼籲賴清德不要再搞惡意杯葛限制人身自由請理性務實面對選辦法的手法不要讓少數否決多數 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2765.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2788.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
謝謝徐議政委員的發言接下來請登記第5號羅志強委員發言高齡杯哥民進黨看到了嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2789.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2815.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
蔡英文承諾的12萬戶社會住宅賴清德8年都蓋不完而獨居老人過去8年暴增250%別讓台灣出現高齡杯哥蔡英文在2016年上任前承諾蓋12萬戶社會住宅而當我跟內政部詢問未來社宅完工規劃時 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2817.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2827.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
內政部非常誠實說到2031年涵蓋已經完工的3萬戶總共能夠完工的就是10.2萬戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2829.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2845.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
白紙黑字告訴我們即便賴清德再當兩任總統到2031年都沒有辦法完成蔡英文所承諾的12萬戶社會住宅而賴清德總統還加碼8年要蓋25萬戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2848.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2866.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
社宅興建緩慢高齡化加速房價物價居高不下的時候首當其衝就是高齡長者的居住權跟生存權。過去8年我國65歲以上長者居住社會住宅的比例從5.46%增加到12.83% |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2874.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2890.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
獨居長者這個宅數的比例從4.09成長到10.25分別漲幅是2.35倍跟2.5倍這些數據都告訴我們落實高齡者居住正義是非常重要也迫切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2892.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2914.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
引髮族不一定是經濟弱勢但現實生活就是許多長者常常有錢也租不到房子因為房東可能認為長者經濟收入不穩定或者怕長者在住處往生影響房價但根據住宅法第25條第二項制定的內政部新辦社會住宅出租辦法11條規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2916.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2939.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
社會住宅租賃跟續租最長為12年,如果65歲長者曾租社會住宅,12年後接近80歲的高齡,依照現行法規就要被趕出去。80歲不只是經濟無法負擔一般房租,即便是負擔了也沒有力氣搬家,沒有力氣適應新環境,這就是所謂的高齡杯葛。 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2940.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2964.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
因此這次修法羅志強主張修改住宅法25條規定要解開現行法規社會住宅最多只能住12年的硬上限對65歲以上長者成豬社會住宅時應該要延長租賃跟續租期限避免高齡杯葛所以希望我們的民進黨政府可以廣納這一條善言謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2970.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2977.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
謝謝羅志強委員的發言。報告院會現在登記國是論壇發言的委員均已發言完畢。現在休息。 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
5310.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
5313.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
5462.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
5475.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
報告議員會,我們現在繼續開會。請秘書長報告出席人數。報告議員會出席委員57人以足法定人數。我們現在開會進行報告事項。請秘書長宣讀第一會期第二十次會議意思錄。 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
5477.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
5485.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
宣讀立法院第11屆第1會期第20次會議．事由．時間。．中華民國113年6月28日上午9時1分至9時14分時時至10時21分下午2時30分至4時29分。．7月2日上午9時1分至10時29分下午2時30分至4時6分。． |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
5497.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
5511.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
地點、本院議場、出席委員、吳委員、立法等113人、內席官員、行政院院長、卓榮泰等15人、主席院長韓國瑜、副院長江啟臣。報告施向第一案宣讀本院第11屆第1會期第19次會議適度決定、確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
5515.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
5521.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
第27、11至19、21至28、30至40、47至251案均決定交互相關委員會審查、處理或交互相關委員會。第8至10、20、29、46案均決定經報讀與相關提案並按協商。 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
5534.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
5560.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
第43至44案均決定同意撤為第252至263、265至267案為內政委員會等所提示報告案。第264案決定展延審查期限。第268案為行政院函送本院委員提案之原處情形。執行事項甲,行政院答案部分一件,與本院委員執行部分五件。對行政院院長報告施政方針 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
5562.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
5579.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
繼續質詢,決定下次會議進行交通組織執行,宣讀完畢。報言會針對第一會期第20次會議意思錄並無委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處,我們作以下的決定。第一會期第20次的會議意思錄確定,請宣讀第二案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
5580.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
5599.94 |
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第二案（本院委員林月琴等10千人鄰居身心障礙者權益保障法第53條條維修證草案請審議案（財修委員會見臨時委員會交社會福利及優先環境委員會審查（宣布完畢第三案（本院委員何欣淳等10千人鄰居勞工保險條0058條條維修證草案請審議案（財修委員會見臨時委員會交社會福利及優先環境委員會審查（宣布完畢 |
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5606.644 |
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5630.774 |
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第四案,本院委員何欣淳等17人離聚,勞工退休金條例第24條條文修正草案請水印案。陳修緣會議見,理事院會將用社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查,宣言完畢。第五案,本院委員何欣淳等17人離聚,勞動基準法第53條條文修正草案請水印案。陳修緣會議見,理事院會將用社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查,宣言完畢。 |
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5632.214 |
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5633.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
第六案．第七案．第八 |
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5660.353 |
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5662.595 |
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第八案．第九案．第九案． |
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5683.797 |
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5700.127 |
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第十案本院委員範圍短時間的領據親駐民權以保證把草案情勢迎案。求求院會見您請院會將內政委員會審查。宣言完畢。報告院會報告事項第十案現有民進黨黨團提案提議近乎二讀與相關提案並按協商請問院會有異議 |
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5703.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
5704.879 |
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第11案第12案第12案 |
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5730.589 |
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5752.225 |
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第13案本院委員陳慶慧等18人聯聚,宣新障礙者權益保障法第53條條文修正的草原侵水一案。陳修委員會見理事委員會將用社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。宣告完畢。第14案本院委員陳慶慧等17人聯聚,就業保障法第10條第11條及第19條之3條文修正的草原侵水一案。 |
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5752.965 |
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5778.944 |
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陳秀園會見：內政委員會審查：宣傳完畢第15案北院委員吳佩儀等16人聯聚新住民權益保障法草案情緒一案陳秀園會見：內政委員會審查：宣傳完畢報告院會報告事項第15案現有民進黨黨團提禁服二讀與相關提案閉案協商請問院會有異議沒有異議通過下案 |
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5779.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
5803.55 |
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第16案 北洋委員陳雪山等二選人連續離島牽涉條例增立第7條至1條文草案情緒一案。陳旭委員會屆立行委會將經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢。報告委員會報告事項第16案現由民進黨黨團提議退回陳旭委員會重新提出請問委員會有異議?無異議通過下一案國民黨團各黨團有沒有異議? |
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5806.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
5809.906 |
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五一通過下案五一通過下案五一通過下案 |
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5831.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
5852.784 |
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第19案 本月委員陳學生的23人離聚有限廣播電視法第10條條文修正草案請審議案。陳修緣會見臨行會交交通委員會審查。宣布完畢。第20案 本月委員陳學生的23人離聚衛星廣播電視法第5條條文修正草案請審議案。陳修緣會見臨行會交交通委員會審查。宣布完畢。 |
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5854.184 |
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5877.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
第21案本院委員陳雪生的16人鄰居,社會福利基本法第18條條文修正財運情勢一案。陳修園會見列行委會交用社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查,宣布完畢。第22案本院委員陳雪生的16人鄰居,長期照顧服務法第14條條文修正財運情勢一案。陳修園會見列行委會交用社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查,宣布完畢。 |
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5878.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
5900.746 |
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第23案本月委員陳學生等16人理據緊急醫療救護法第23條條文修憲草原請選一案。陳修緣會接連行會交社會福利修憲環境委員會審查 宣言完畢第24案本月委員賴瑞龍等16人理據職務閃聊事法草原請選一案。陳修緣會接連行會交經濟委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
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5901.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
5904.949 |
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第25案（本院委員陳培宇等16人離聚,情勢訴訟法第101條11條維修政策請審議案。才修委員會見臨時委員會交交司法計劃,修委員會審查,宣言完畢 |
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5925.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
5928.196 |
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無異通過下一案．第27案．無異通過下一案．第28案．無異通過下一案． |
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5948.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
5963.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
報告委員會報告事項第28案現有民進黨黨團提議退回程序委員會重新提出請問委員會有異議沒有異議通過下一案本會本案退回程序委員會重新提出下一案 |
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5963.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
5986.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
第29案（本委員羅廷維等20人聯聚外送平台管理機從業人員權益保障法草案侵水一案（財修委員會借年期委員會加入社會福利優先環境委員會審查,宣布完畢。第30案（本委員王玉敏等16人聯聚環境影響評估法第5條條無修正草案侵水一案（財修委員會借年期委員會加入社會福利優先環境委員會審查,宣布完畢。 |
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5987.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
6010.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
第31案．委員王玉敏等16人聯聚外送平臺管理機從業人員權益保障法草案請選一案．修園會見您請回家後社會福利及外生環境委員會審查。宣告完畢。第32案．委員廖偉翔等16人聯聚學生福濤法部分條文修正草案請選一案．修園會見您請回家後消費及文化委員會審查。宣告完畢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
6012.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
6012.852 |
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無異議通過下議案 |
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6025.558 |
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6050.057 |
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第34案本院臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚外送平台管理機從業人員權益保障法草案請審議案。陳秀元會見您請回家用社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣布外幣。第35案本院臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚身心專業者權益保障法第53條條文修憲草案請審議案。陳秀元會見您請回家用社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣布外幣。 |
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6051.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
6062.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
第三十六案（北院臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚暫時領域發展條例第3條及第13條條維修正常性審議案．修委員會見．聯席委員會交交經濟委員會審查．宣布完畢。第三十七案．北院臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚運動產業發展條例增立第7條之一及第7條之二條文草案勤審議案．修委員會見．聯席委員會交交交解文化委員會審查．宣布完畢。 |
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6076.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
6098.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
第38案,委員臺灣民眾囊囊團聯聚,產業創新條例第30條條務修正草原清水因案,採取委員會見,臨時委員會加入經濟財政聯盟委員會審查,宣傳完畢。第39案,行政院海警宣映,國家語言研究發展重新修正條例草原案,採取委員會見,臨時委員會加入司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會審查,宣傳完畢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
6099.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
6119.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
第41屆九月涵送財政法人國防工業發展基金會一百十二年度決算書案﹐財政法人國防工業發展基金會一百十二年度決算書案、財政法人國防工業發展基金會一百十二年度決算書案、財政法人國防工業發展基金會一百十二年度決算書案、財政法人國防工業發展基金會一百十二年度決算書案、財政法人國防工業發展基金會一百十二年度決算書案、財政法人國防工業發展基金會一百十二年度決算書案、財政法人國防工業發展基金會一百十二年度決算書案、財政法人國防工業發展基金 |
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6122.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
6142.162 |
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第42案．國防部捍衛該部所屬113年度預算．迎接工程科目所需設備及投資．申請通知地域北京暨新台幣10億元．業經行政院主席總署同意備案．陳秀元會見理行會加外交及國防委員會．宣讀完畢第43案．國防部捍衛修正國防醫學院組織規程第五條條文．陳秀元會見理行會加外交及國防兩委員會．宣讀完畢 |
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6151.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
6152.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
無異議通過下言。 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
6161.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
6180.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
第44案．中央選舉委員會海灣修正．中央選舉委員會編制表．常修委員會界臨行會交互司法及法治內政兩委員會．宣讀完畢。第45案．內政部海外廢止．國家公園管理處組織準則的20項法規及編制表．常修委員會界臨行會交互司法及法治內政兩委員會．宣讀完畢。 |
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6182.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
6185.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
五一通過下議案五一通過下議案五一通過下議案 |
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6204.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
6207.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
第40方案．第42海洋務員會海外修正海域環境分類及海洋環境品質標準． |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
6225.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
6245.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
第52、海洋務員會行為修正、海域環境監測集、監測轉設施辦法、財修委員會建立、請募集內政委員會、宣讀完畢。第51、海洋務員會行為海洋環境污染清除處理辦法、明宣修正委、海洋污染清除處理辦法並修正條文、財修委員會建立、請募集內政委員會、宣讀完畢。 |
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6248.55 |
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6250.513 |
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五、一通過下一案五、一通過下一案 |
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6262.418 |
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6281.55 |
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第53案,海洋委員會海灣修正,陸上污染原廢空水排放於特定海域許可辦法,柴州委員會見內勤會交內政委員會,宣讀完畢。厲通過下一案第54案,經濟部海灣修正工廠危險物品投保公共意外責任保險辦法,第三條及第六條條文,柴州委員會見內勤會交經濟委員會,宣讀完畢。厲通過下一案 |
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6285.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
6294.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
第55案 經濟部海維修縣工廠危險物品申報本法第11條及第12條條文,採訊委員會見臨時委員會交經濟委員會,宣傳閉。第56案 經濟部海維修縣度量衡器指定實驗室篆刻管理本法第16條及第20條條文,採訊委員會見臨時委員會交經濟委員會,宣傳閉。 |
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6308.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
6322.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
報告委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽席是苗栗縣我們私立九年文理短期補習班所有的同學歡迎大家來立法院我們掌聲鼓勵無疑通過下一案 |
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6323.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
6330.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
第57案經濟部海外修正、礦業、規費、收費標準﹐陳秀元會見、聯席委員會、交通經濟委員會﹐宣讀完畢。第58案經濟部海外修正、自由貿易、港區事業、舒緩國外、英金和轉生貨品之機關名稱﹐陳秀元會見、聯席委員會、交通經濟委員會﹐宣讀完畢。 |
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6343.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
6355.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
第59案．經濟部海外修正限制輸出貨品表﹐我國產制制158項鋼鐵貨品輸往歐盟採信管理措施﹐強修委員會見臨時會交經濟委員會﹐宣布完畢。第60案．經濟部海外修正商標規規收費標準﹐強修委員會見臨時會交經濟委員會﹐宣布完畢。 |
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6365.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
6388.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
無異通過下議案．第61案．經濟牧海維修陣商標法施行性色不翻條文陳秀揚會見臨行會長經濟委員會宣布完畢．無異通過下議案．第62案．經濟牧海維修陣無風管供氣調節機容許耗用能源精準與能源效率分期標示事項方法及檢查方式第六點附圖一陳秀揚會見臨行會長經濟委員會宣布完畢．無異通過下議案． |
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6391.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
6404.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
第63案（經濟武漢送商標代理人登錄及管理辦法﹑程序委員會見﹑例行會加工經濟委員會﹑宣傳完畢第64案﹑經濟武漢修正臺紐經濟合作協定原產力說明書相關事項日經官名稱﹑程序委員會見﹑例行會加工經濟委員會﹑宣傳完畢 |
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6411.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
6436.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
第65案經濟部委員本月第11屆第一會期第11次會議．一﹐要求民進黨執政的行政院旅行政治承諾﹐立即停止在莊濱工業區興建金頂焚化爐﹐簡送該部書面答覆﹐強修委員會建立協會加入經濟社會福利及衛生環境的兩委員會﹐宣讀完畢報告委員會本案由臺灣民眾黨黨團體改交審查本案交經濟社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會審查 |
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6438.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
6440.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
下一案議員通過下一案 |
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6456.369 |
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6475.844 |
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第67二,農業部行為行政院農業委員會,農田水利署,屏東管理處,農田水利事業區域,名稱修正為,農業部農田水利署,屏東管理處,農田水利事業區域,並修正事業區域,成修委員會見,立行會將經濟委員會宣布完畢。第68二,農業部行為修正農業部農田水利署,桃園管理處,農田水利設施範圍,成修委員會見,立行會將經濟委員會宣布完畢。 |
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第69案 農業部海維修正農業部農田水利署苗栗管理署農田水利事業區域陳秀陽會見立行會長 經濟委員會 宣傳完畢無異通過下議案第70案 農業部海維修正委員神調獲經委委員王雲泉赴太平洋作業管理班發布分條文及地方條附件60附件9陳秀陽會見立行會長 經濟委員會 宣傳完畢無異通過下議案 |
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第七十一案 農業貿易修正公告美國阿拉巴馬州、愛爾荷華州、猶他州、馬里蘭州、蒙特納州及賓夕法尼亞州為公民原性交情流行性感冒肺炎區財修委員會見,立行會將經濟委員會宣布完畢。 |
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6542.167 |
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第72案,金融監督管理委員會還沒修正,公開發行公司建立內部控制制度處理準則部分條文,及證券及期貨市場各服務事業,建立內部控制制度處理準則第八條第十四條第39條條文,強修委員會見議請回交財政委員會,宣讀完畢。 |
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第73案﹚七種監督管理委員會函送本院增訂政卷投資信託及顧問法﹚第70條之一及第113條之一條文通過附帶決議及書面報告﹚陳修委員會及聯席委員會及財政委員會﹚宣布完畢。 |
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第74案財政部含存房屋稅條例第5條及與第15條第一項第9會規定住家用房屋互出認定及申報責定辦法。財政委員會建議請回交財政委員會。宣讀完畢。財政委員會本案由臺灣民主黨黨團體改交審查。本案交財政委員會審查。下一案 |
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第75案財稅部行為修正出家用粉無公自住及公益出租人出租使用任地標準。財稅委員會皆立行會交財政委員會。宣讀完畢。報言會本案由臺灣民眾黨黨團體改交審查。本案交財政委員會審查。下一案 |
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6624.532 |
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第七十六案財政委員本月修正房屋稅條例部分條文通過負擔決議解送房屋稅條例修正券實施效益及成本稅收影響數、財源籌措及配套措施書面報告。財政委員會見立行會交財政委員會。稅讀完畢報告委員會本案由臺灣民眾黨黨團體改交審查本案交財政委員會審查下一案 |
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第七十七案 教育部函送國民小學及國民中學正常教學讀導辦法 才修研會及理性化教育及文化委員會 宣讀完畢。第七十八案 教育部函為高級中等校學校特殊教育班班級及專責單位設置與人員經用辦法並修正為 高級中等校學校及幼兒園特殊教育班班級與專責單位設置及人員經用辦法並修正條文 才修研會及理性化教育及文化委員會 |
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無異議通過下議案無異議通過下議案無異議通過下議案 |
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第81案﹐秋東部海外交通部觀光局及所屬各國家風景區管理處﹐處理長巡國家及風景特地區範圍案件收費標準名稱修正為﹐秋東部觀光局及所屬各國家風景區管理處﹐處理長巡國家及風景特地區範圍案件收費標準﹐秋東部觀光局辦理觀光旅館及﹐ |
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旅館等級評鑒收費標準名稱修正為﹐交通部觀光署辦理觀光旅館及旅館等級評鑒收費標準並修正條文﹐財修委員會見逆行匯交交通委員會﹐宣讀完畢﹐無異通過下一案﹐第82案﹐交通部海文採用國際海事組織所屬海洋環境防護委員會所采量MEPC.36079等三件防止船舶污染國際公約修正案﹐財修委員會見逆行匯交交通委員會﹐宣讀完畢﹐無異通過下一案﹐ |
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第八十三案 勞動部海外修正 勞動部勞動基金運用局處規程 第六條 第八條及第十五條條文 採取委員會見 理事委員會加入司法及法律 社會福利及萬象環境委員會 宣讀完畢第八十四案 衛生福利部海外修正 應建立食品追溯 追蹤系統支持品業者 採取委員會見 理事委員會加入社會福利及萬象環境委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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報告委員會本案國民黨黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下一案第85案環境武漢送空氣中二氧化碳自動檢驗方法順槍順檢像儀法NI-EAA-459-210C強修委員會建立新華僑社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣禁完畢無語通過下一案 |
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無異通過下一案 |
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無異議通過下一案 |
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第88案,密法務部函送,中華美國臺灣法務部調查局期前防事處與巴哈馬金融情報中心,為與涉及期前相關前置犯罪及資助恐怖主義金融情勢交換合作了解偏往路,我方淪陷之英文、日本及中日本銀本。陳秀揚會見。理事委員會交出司法及法治外交及國防勞委員會。宣讀完畢。 |
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無異議通過報告委員會第89案至252案請依序宣讀其中第91、92、94、96、214、217、236、242、251案臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查宣讀後 |
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以上提案均改交相關委會審查。其餘的議案均照程序委員會意見通過。請問院會有無異議?沒有異議我們宣讀後通過。請宣讀。 |
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第189案至第92案國家方向委員會﹚第93公平交易委員會﹚第94案至第99案經濟部﹚第100案核能安全委員會﹚第10案至第130案教育部﹚第131案至第14間文化部﹚第14方案至第180案國家科學及技術委員會﹚ |
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第二百五十三案以下請一併宣讀 |
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宣讀後均準與備查。請宣讀。第253案為本院社會福提供生環境外交及國防委員會函為院會教部選擇勞動部函送出印度台北經濟文化中心與印度台北協會促進僱用印度勞工瞭解變化路之中英及印地文文本一本案。已經選擇完均準與備查並通過附帶決議二項。 |
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第254案為本院教育及文化委員會函。委員會交付審查相關情勢命令,均已於立法院職權行使法第61條鎖定審查期限,執行事項及行政院答覆部分。前期面函送本院羅委員最強所提職勤間書面答覆供應件,以本院委員職勤部分,本院羅委員最強向行政院提出職勤供應件。宣讀完畢。報告委員會 |
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憲法法庭來函通知本院就柯建民委員等51人申請案事先申請案等請本院委任訴訟代理人本案已定於上午11點在議場三樓進行黨團協商請各黨團幹部屆時至議場三樓出席現在休息 |
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委員會主席 |
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法定人數不足 |
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主席 |
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報告委員會現在繼續開會,有關憲法法庭通知等案,現在我們進行臨時報告本案以完成朝野協商。請議事人員宣讀朝野黨團協商結論。 |
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立法院黨團協商結論時間113年7月5日星期五上午11時地點異常三樓會議室決定事項一有關憲法法庭通知本院舊委員柯建明等51人行政院總統耐清德監察院等申請 |
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案請本院推派代表、訴訟代理人及延遲辯論鑑定人。各黨團同意由國民黨黨團推薦二位,臺灣民眾黨黨團推薦一位擔任本次申請案含暫時處分部分之訴訟代理人。 |
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本院機關代表：上述比例推派委員：有關推薦專家學者擔任延遲辯論鑑定人部分由國民黨黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團各推薦一位。訴訟代理人名單請於7月5日下午4時,其他名單請於7月8日中午12時前送至法治局。 |
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必憑辦理後續委任及呈報等相關事宜。主持人韓國瑜將啟程。協商代表柯建明、吳思瑤、莊瑞雄、傅坤祺、洪孟凱、林思敏、黃國昌、黃珊珊、吳春成。宣讀完畢。報告委員會,請問對以上朝野協商結論有無意義?沒有意義沒有意義沒有意義我們通過 |
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113年7月5日朝野黨團協商結論,經決定如下。一、有關憲法法庭通知本院舊委員柯建民等51人,行政院、總統賴清德、監察院等申請案,請本院推派代表。 |
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訴訟代理人及言辭辯論鑑定人各黨團同意由國民黨團推薦兩位臺灣民眾黨黨團推薦一位擔任本次申請案含暫時處分部分之訴訟代理人 |
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本院機關代表依上述比例推派委員。有關推薦專家學者擔任延遲辯論鑑定人部分,由國民黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團各推薦一位。訴訟代理人名單請於7月5日下午4時,其他名單於7月8日中午12時送至法治局。 |
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我們辦理後續委任及呈報等相關事宜。報告委員會下午2點半我們繼續進行行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。我們現在休息。 |
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報告院會現在繼續開會,對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。今天進行個人質詢、交通組織質詢。請羅委員自強質詢。議員掌聲 |
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副院長有請行政院長請卓院長備詢 |
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委員好所謂院長在我開始正式質詢之前我想先為我們的行政團隊你的行政團隊報個屈啦我覺得行政團隊昨天受到很大的羞辱我覺得身為行政院院長應該幫他們講講話昨天你知道發生什麼事嗎你說院內的事嗎對啊立法院發生什麼事立法院癱瘓了四個委員會啊你知道哪四個委員會被癱瘓嗎這我不清楚 |
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你不清楚欸,院長不會吧?行政立法你今天到在對立法院負責,你的官員們在立法院基本上枯坐一整天,被癱瘓了四個委員會你都不知道?我不知道,我尊重院內在開會。你的肩膀還真是夠寬啊,連這麼重要的事都不知道。被癱瘓了內政、經濟、外交國防委員會,還有司法法治委員會。你知道為什麼被癱瘓嗎? |
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開會不順利是不是?開會不順利啊是因為民進黨的所有的立法委員跑去霸占內政委員會的主席台當然民進黨的委員有一些政治法案上的立場不同愛霸占就霸占這是民進黨傳統跟慣例那這個就算了不一定了這就算了啦昨天就發生了不一定昨天叫一定在你的字眼叫不一定在昨天叫一定 |
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那我今天要告訴你民進黨的囂張跟跋扈在哪裡你知道嗎?不知道你如果因為說罷免選罷法修正案你不高興你不爽你要把內政委員會癱瘓那我想請問你昨天我們的外交國防委員會NCC法務部還有包括這個調查局的所有的單位對不對通傳會的單位 |
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為什麼今天連外交國防委員會也要被癱瘓掉?講個道理出來嘛!那想請教你們的閣議員們在那邊因為王定宇落跑不主持會議結果呢搞到所有官員哭坐在那邊你不為他們覺得委屈嗎? |
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我們還是尊重院內開會的秩序不只是外交、國防、經濟委員會是一樣啊還有包括司法法治委員會是一樣我要這邊跟大家說跟院長說一件事情明明這三個委員會不管你們講任何政治主張你就算癱瘓內政委員會其實這三個委員會都不用賠帳 |
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可是民進黨就是傳統囂張跋扈的文化嘛我今天要開會內政委員會我連當召委的王定宇可以繞跑當召委的鍾嘉斌可以繞跑當召委的邱怡婷可以繞跑 |
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讓跑三人組嗎?然後讓官員們浪費時間,鑽個地方,官員很辛苦啊。我昨天就問我們法務部次長啊,洗錢防治法重不重要,請問院長。我先想問你嘛,洗錢防治法重不重要嘛。對嘛,都重要嘛。態度很正確啊。我也相信我們那時候出席的法務部次長,洗錢防治法一定準備很充分啊。 |
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可是我上去質詢沒有主席無法質詢所以他不能上來回答這就是今天我要告訴你回頭還是這句話你民進黨要癱瘓內政委員會不要連累行政團隊的閣員我今天在這裡是因為你不願意幫他們報區我幫他們報區啊他們不是傀儡不是道具不是Galiana坐在那個地方欽差你民進黨立法院黨團糟蹋啦 |
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報告委員該報區我會報區 |
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三個委員,民進黨要看換內政委員會缺三個召委嗎?請問那三個召委責任是什麼在昨天?你也當過立法委員喔?對啊,你也曾經當過立法委員啊?請問召委的責任是什麼? |
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稍微就是召集主持會議安排議程讓官員來備詢阿把公務做好阿誠實回答委員的請勸所以我還是那個結論很簡單我也不知道你也不會你也不敢講什麼啦我可以體諒你啦但是我就要講很簡單今天民進黨昨天做出最壞的示範沒有討論沒有民主連開會都被你罷掉癱瘓掉民主什麼阿每天喊民主來我想請教你下一個問題 |
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在下一個問題之前我先講一下我自己分享一些對台灣民主發展的一些看法我在2006年加入國民黨的事實上在2000年之前第一次政黨輪替之前我不喜歡當時的國民黨原因兩個第一個當時的威權時代的國民黨前置新聞自由第二個當時國民黨一黨獨大缺乏制衡 |
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事實上在2000年第一次政黨輪替之前我也從來沒有投票給國民黨過1998年高雄市市長選舉我還投給謝長廷不是因為我很喜歡謝長廷單純就是因為我覺得國民黨權力太大缺乏制衡我覺得應該要讓民進黨可以得到一些權力來制衡這個獨大的國民黨不過我倒沒有想到結果謝長廷變成這輩子告我告最多的人 |
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因為對因為在關西機場風暴當中他推謝哲任推給大阪處結果害大阪處優秀的外交官犧牲掉我批評他謝哲他告我兩次同一件事告我兩次兩次法院都判他輸打臉也認真他就是一個謝哲的駐日代表 |
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我要講這件事是什麼告訴今天我們的院長我一直相信一個民主的鐵律絕對的權利使人絕對的腐化國民黨如此民進黨如此任何黨也是如此沒有制衡就沒有民主好問題來了我要跟你討論第一個題目就是新聞自由我想請教院長你認不認同沒有新聞自由就沒有民主 |
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當然我們全力保障新聞的自由是民主重要的條件之一嘴巴全力保障新聞自由來看看實際做了什麼針對東森新聞台的政論節目被指遭到大陸媒體盯梢一案有一個人這麼說啦 |
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調查這件事情不是很難的事情。如果沒有牽涉複雜情節,一個星期應可公布調查結果。這句話誰說的?我說的。非常好。請問調查結果出來了沒有?調查局立案在調查中。 |
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你們兩個進度都太慢。行政團隊有一位傑出人才已經把調查結果說出來你知道是誰嗎? |
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主委會副主委梁文傑他比你兩個更果斷他直接說沒有爆料人結束啦 |
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沒有爆料人嗎?請問一下我們的主委,沒有爆料人嗎?目前我們沒有接到任何的檢舉案件。沒有爆料人齁?來,請問一下院長,沒有爆料人嗎?我看到陸委會梁副主委說的這個答覆的說法,那是他在這個時候他的認知跟他手上的資訊是如此,但調查局竟在立案調查中。好啦,個人說法了齁,那我直接問你啦,兩個自由時報寫丁上岸的記者算不算爆料? |
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兩個自由時報,自由時報報道這個新聞算不算爆料?算不算嘛? |
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算不算爆料?重振這麼久,對不對?對啊,資訊傳遞,資訊暴露就是爆料啊,不是嗎?他提供訊息,他當作爆料也是,但提供訊息正不正確與否,調查局是調查當中。你也可以稱為把爆料解除而揭露資訊,揭發新聞嘛。沒關係啦,有故事就好,我不跟你再深究中文,今天不上中國語文學系啦。 |
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我希望請教你,民進黨綽號早知道的那位大立委沈博洋,他說兩個月前就知道,說已經通報了,算不算爆料?請他繼續說明,很好,講幾乎這句話,可是我們梁文傑說沒有爆料人啊? |
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他顯然自由時報不看啊他顯然我們早知道大立委沈博洋他是什麼他認為這不算爆料還是他認為沈博洋不是人所以不是爆料人報告委如果哪一個委員會哪一個人講的話就當事實的話那就不需要調查立案調查了沒有關係你要切割沈博洋要切割梁文傑我跟你講是你卓榮泰一貫的風格我懂啦對你不是沒有了解才站在這地方嗎 |
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這兩個月請問檢討團在幹嘛?掌握訊息了沒有?你掌握訊息了沒有這兩個月? |
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沈博洋通報了耶!堂堂民進黨的不分區第二名男性第一名民進黨現在的早知道英雄沈博洋今天跟你講說已經跟國安團隊通報了請問你通報了沒有一個負責的委員接到任何訊息他或許自己會有查證的義務所以他是在進行這個查證的過程這個我當然不清楚但沈委員講出來之後現在調查局在立案調查三周 |
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我問是兩個月前,他說兩個月前通報所以他可能有一段自己查證,這個我不清楚,我真的不了解院長我怎麼會去了解一個委員不是,你他兩個月前也許你不了解但是兩個月後他說他通報了,都已經新聞出來快一個禮拜了你說一個禮拜可以調查出來,現在我講你不知道所以調查局在調查中,我可以去問嗎院長,我想請問你啊,我跟你問的是他有沒有爆料欸 |
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你這件事情你到現在搞了一個禮拜都不清楚,那我直接問啦,來NCC有沒有跟你爆料?總會員有沒有跟你爆料?非常好,有擔當嘛,一句話嘛對嘛,沒有跟NCC爆料嘛 |
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那我就問院長啊,沈博恩有沒有跟法務部有沒有跟調查局有沒有跟體檢署爆料?有沒有?他沒有跟我們報料,但是調查局在調查當中,這個是現在的事實。沒有,我要先跟你講清楚啦,講清楚啦,待會你就知道我要問什麼。 |
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接下來有沒有跟國安單位爆料?委員有沒有去跟哪個單位講我怎麼會知道?我到目前為止問你問題幾乎沒有一個知道我超級欣賞你你還跟我講一個月一個禮拜調查結果要出來來我想請教你 |
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今天沈博洋說已經通報了國安單位了兩個月了我請問國安單位是稅了廢了還是殘了兩個月有沒有進度有沒有報告連你都不知道所以調查局在調查當中啊噢好厲害啊趙博離開多久了新華社記者趙博離開多久了 |
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一個月了啦。你也不知道啦。我知道他5月底離開啊。他有沒有做什麼事情。結果他一個多月前離開。 |
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欸我覺得你們國安單位好厲害行政團隊超級棒欸委員你不能要求我在你當調查員一樣我沒有要你當調查員但是你自己拍胸脯保證一個禮拜調查報告都會出來啊你也說過他的背景如果不是很複雜結果你到現在是一問三不知啊他的背景如果不是很複雜一個禮拜就出來啊我直接跟你講啦我到現在為止我幫你做一個快結論啦剛剛委員所說的那麼多人的這個講法就是複雜啊你辛苦我做一個快結論啦我不能跟你裝作我什麼都知道啊因為 |
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那你要問省委員他根本沒有通報啦半天早通報大家講出來啊至少確定NCC沒有確定你偉大三不知行政院院長不知道他跟哪一個單位通報啦通報連個通報的窗口都不知道啦難怪管單位睡兩個月啦睡到今天自由時報報導之後你到現在還是三不知啦 |
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我最後跟院長說,你本來就不知嘛,你18不知我都不理,我都可以逼意外,從頭到尾審判就瞎編,就是王立強二號,今天你不敢背書他要切割梁文傑,我覺得都同意你,很簡單,因為你也扛不起。 |
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接下來我就要想要問一下我告訴各位行政團隊搞了半天東森新聞台人家是有品牌有聲譽報導真相報導事實非常努力的新聞台你認同吧我認同這個謝謝你啊但你認同結果現在我跟你講為什麼院長我給你一個期待啦新聞自由不是嘴巴喊喊的 |
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今天包括官員包括說立委包括綠媒在抹黑一個客觀公正然後兢兢業業在守護第四權的東森新聞台結果你到這邊你跟我一問事不知十八不知 |
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好,謝謝羅委員。謝謝卓院長。下一位我們請嚴寬衡委員之選。 |
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主席各位列席官員大家好主席我想請行政院卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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院長好,今天是交通組的總質詢,但是我在開始之前先想要請院長針對大進滿88號漁船被大陸海警帶回泉州已經是第三天了,可不可以跟大家報告一下目前我方的進度如何? |
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好,謝謝文關心的。我們一樣歡心這個人船的安全。那事發當時海巡的兄弟們很積極的去想著把他營救回來。但是因為進入到對方的海域比較深處,不敢再往前進,所以就在當時進行了這個決定。那現在為止我們正透過包括陸委會、海基會都在跟對方做積極的接洽當中。希望第一個人船能夠緊速的回來,也希望對方保護安全。 |
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您一定要平安的回來,國人的安全不要淪為一個政治的角力。好,院長那我來繼續請教。請問院長知不知道台鐵便當節目前第幾屆?對不起,台鐵便當節。 |
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臺鐵便當目前是第幾屆?臺鐵的便當節目前第幾屆?我告訴你第九屆也是民營化之後公司化之後的第一屆那四天從這個四天入場人數突破40萬營業額也衝高到1200萬那大幅的超越預期那臺鐵一向都是我們非常喜歡的也是便當界的首選像我們今天宴會也是吃臺鐵便當那我想 |
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海線的雙軌大概是有人關心是從談文到追分這一段 |
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另外高架山西縣的部分是大慶到烏日這一段目前包括山海縣跟捷運南線一起在做一個共購的一個 |
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﹚議員 |
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過去只有單軌的時代,海線只有單軌,所以不管是這個快慢車的調度還有實際運作上都有一定的難度。那班次少還有搭乘的人次比較少,所以這樣子惡性循環讓很多的旅客還有地方的居民都捨棄台鐵,尋求其他的交通運輸方式。 |
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我們都知道,像交通部長到台中去考察,我們也一直在討論這些問題,軌道經濟可以帶動地方一個長遠性的發展。所以台中鐵路海線雙軌高架的部分,在跟我們捷運南線會在沙路站做一個交錯。 |
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﹚議員 |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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拜訪議員 |
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議員﹚ |
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全線高架 |
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現階段我們目前的計畫是海線的部分是部分高架那另外就是包括大慶到烏日因為他延續台中市的這個高架的部分可以繼續從大慶延伸那這兩個會列為優先那後面如果要全線高架可能還要再進一步做可行性的這個評估 |
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鐵路是國有財產不管是營收營運都屬於中央所有所以過去我們看到從台中市火車站一直到豐原整個全線的高架都是由中央專案補助全額補助 |
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那這一次我們看到了大烏日大慶傳烏日到大慶這個鐵路高架部分臺中市政府要負擔56%要負擔56%負擔的比例相當的高總經費83.4億要負擔超過40幾億那我們來看下一張表格這個部分請看一下齁 |
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桃園地下化部分,地方只要負擔25%,嘉義的高架化負擔14%,嘉義的延長高架化延伸計畫負擔15%,台南市的地下化部分負擔12.5%,那高雄市的部分負擔29%,只有台中,台中負擔56%。 |
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為什麼要負擔這麼高?為什麼要負擔這麼高?而且台中我們現在提到的只提到烏日大慶高價化這個部分,這部分八十幾億,如果再加上海線雙軌平面跟雙軌高價的部分可能要上看七百多億。 |
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全部臺中市政府要負擔56%,那可不可以請院長跟部長告訴我們為什麼臺中市這個自主負擔要負擔這麼高?是,我簡單做一個說明,就是現在不管是鐵路高架或者是鐵路地下立體化的部分, |
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其實除了讓台鐵在營運上面有比較安全之外那另外一個重點就是讓所在的城市他的彼此之間的這個貫穿這個鐵路的道路可以縫合可以沒有這個平交道那對交通對市容都有很大的幫助所以這個部分才會有這個地方政府要負擔的部分負擔的這個部分 |
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那現在是因為有一個通案性的計算原則就是有自償的部分優先由地方政府負擔那非自償的部分才由中央政府跟地方政府來照比例那這個部分我想是一個全國性貫通通用的一個原則那可能在自償率的這我們不能理解齁一樣是直轄市對不對你地下化的預算費用更高但是桃園市他負擔25%那為什麼台中市要負擔56%呢 |
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拜訪委員 |
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是不是鼓勵說地方政府不應該把自己的財政這個管理的那麼好?他主要還是優先有一個自償有具自償性的部分會由地方這邊負擔那另外非自償的部分才由中央地方照一定財政的分級的比例來處理那這個部分因為有牽涉到比較詳細的計算委員我是不是另外再安排時間來跟您做一個說明 |
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海線鐵路雙軌部分 |
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我們真的是要靠中央來支持因為地方沒有辦法負擔那麼大的預算尤其是之前前瞻計畫的分配不均對台中人已經很大的傷害但是台中市還是依舊努力的為全國創稅台中市是全國第二大城市112年上繳中央的稅款將近2200億回配率是接近10年來最低只有40%拿回869億 |
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這個迴避比例不成正比,我們認為說不應該讓好學生受到更多的懲罰。台鐵、大慶烏日還有烏日到沙鹿,這個高價化屬於台中的一個重大建設,包括捷運南線的部分。那最近局縣也通過了我們的一個審查會。 |
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那所以我們還有交通委員會下個禮拜還要到臺中去考察局限跟止限的部分所以這麼多的重大建設都在臺中但是臺中必須要負擔那麼高的比例這對臺中市政府來講是極為不公平那所以我想這部分要請院長跟部長大力的來幫助臺中市可不可以 |
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這個7月1號局限的一個部長也到了現場去有進行這個局限後續的那個審查的程序那原則上應該是朝正面通過的方向來走那未來關於他的這個經濟效益跟財務的評估希望市政府還要提出更詳細的計畫那這個部分我想如果是針對地方所需要的那中央來依照所有的這個財務狀況來合作這應該就是我們未來在走的路 |
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我在提供給你一些數據參考,臺中烏日就是我們高鐵特區,那最近高鐵娛樂城也正式的動工。那高鐵站,臺中高鐵站現在是全國第二大站點,出入的人次每月平均量是220萬人次。 |
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那從這個觀光局提供的資料110年整年度到臺中主要各個觀光油漆的據點的統計是3900萬人112年度已經突破了5000萬人次所以臺中市目前的發展正在快速的成長所以需要各項交通的升級跟建設所以我想請教院長你同不同意本席的說法 |
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我們在均衡臺灣的理念之下各地都應該有他地方所需要的事實的建設那臺中是在臺灣的正中心的一個地理位置而且他又有相當多比方觀光啦科技等等的發展我覺得健全臺中大臺中地區的交通建設是中央地方合作的方向我們跟立法院副院長還有市長以及各位委員很多 |
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﹚國會議員 |
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拜訪議員 |
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高鐵營業省在115年陸續完工那高鐵每天平日將增加3.1萬人次假日的時候會增加4.8萬人次會讓現在高鐵已經飽和的一個交通的服務水準會下降所以我們現在就強烈的建議說希望在請交通部還有這個部長行政院院長 |
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在我們國道一號這個偵測烏日交流道也就在我們高鐵高鐵站周遭因為他北側是這個臺中的五泉西路交流道南側是這個王田交流道所以這周邊的交流道要優化還有台74線的閘道優化之外希望能夠偵測烏日交流道國道一號這樣子才能有效的紓解整個高鐵特區以及周遭所有的車流可不可以 |
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委員我跟您報告一下就是上個禮拜剛動工的這個最大的商場這個部分應該是全國目前最大的一個商業設施那它的樓地板面積大概有101的4倍這麼大所以未來一定會為高鐵特定區帶來非常大的人潮因為我看它佔地面積就有將近15公頃 |
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因為剛好,如果看剛剛那張圖 |
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國道一剛好在這個地方有一個大轉彎那這個大轉彎的趨利半徑目前評估起來如果要增加紮道跟他的規範技術規範會有一些難度所以我想讓整個規劃一個出來比較可行的方案看是由74來接還是由原來王田交流到這邊來做一個分叉來接技術上可行的方案我覺得來做會比較有一個整體性 |
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這個74號是屬於我們公路總局的那國道是高速公路局都是中央那尤其高鐵娛樂城他也是我們鐵道局的出差案這個東西在這個地方國道要偵測烏日交流道我相信交通部行政院責務旁帶能夠讓為這個地方的一個交通建設能夠提升服務品質然後呢也為了防止未來整個高鐵客區他的交通 |
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好謝謝謝謝嚴委員謝謝院長還有部長部長那個要超前部署不然你以後回台中也會塞到我們下一位請這個呂毓林委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席,請卓院長。 |
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委員長,許多國人他們都認為我們現在國旅的費用非常的昂貴,尤其是CP值比不上韓國跟日本這些鄰近的國家。所以他們寧可出國去玩,也不願意留在我們國內來觀光這個現象。所以本席也特地的再跟觀光署來調一些資料。 |
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在108年的疫情之前到112年的疫情之後我們的房價真的是調幅了很高調高將近有20%以上那這些情形觀光署的解釋說明是說因為基本工資還有電價跟原物料的關係才讓我們住宿的旅館這房價越來越高那可是在一般民眾是認為是說因為這個 |
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是我們旅遊的淡旺季的關係但是淡旺季禮拜一到禮拜五幾乎都是沒有人去六日的時候要一房給難求在這種情況所以他為了擬貧他們的營運成本的關係所以他把這個假日的房價來提高這樣子的話他成本才能夠平衡所以在這種情形之下 |
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我們看到的是平日跟這個我們價值的關係那請問院長跟部長那有沒有可能說我們對這個住房這個房價用有沒有特別的規範讓我們這個價值的價錢跟平日的價錢不能超過多少幾%的情形來受限制呢? |
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報告委員這個發展觀光是國家重大的政策我們在前陣子的這個報告當中我們還特別提出希望季季都是觀光季我們希望天天都是了路線能夠把它拉長那現在就有這種情形嘛淡忘記的情形那因為在疫情之後見到很多人力的缺口啦很多人力無法的補充回來等等會觀光的品質會有所影響但是說真的也真的是成為委員所說在國內觀光包括交通費住宿費 |
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議長,最重要的是要有人進來觀光,不是我們的國旅。我們的國旅的話,大家說台灣的 |
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關關數多少? |
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三百五十三萬人次,三百五十三萬人次的話,如果你照這個數字算到年底的話,也不會超過七百萬人次。那這種情形之下,要怎麼救觀光呢?那尤其現在啊,這兩岸互不來觀光的話,入客又不進來的情形之下,那你們現在又港澳臺的話,這個又身為這個成燈這個情形之下,我們要如何來做到這觀光人次呢? |
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跟委員報告目前統計到6月底大概是將近有380幾萬到390這樣也達不到1千萬那如果因為我們通常在臺灣國際旅客來的旺季比較偏重在下半年所以我們認為大家再努力一點還是有機會那當然因為上半年因為受到零四連戰部長你太過於樂觀了這我感覺太過良好 |
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其實有很多的方法啦本期就是建議像國際觀光客我們就可以招攬更多的國際觀光客引進來台灣觀光這個就會平衡一下我們平日的住房率很差的情形這也是一個重點啦可不可以朝這方面努力來做了 |
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另外也有推出 |
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關關署網頁推出優質的比較平價的旅宿給國人參考來訂房。 |
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接下來本席想請教的就是院長、部長。十一住行是我們生活的主要,其中行的交通是我們每天生活上都會遇到的,尤其是在馬路上都充滿了汽機車跟行人。 |
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一遇到交通事故的時候就有關著我們的生命財產都受到損傷所以在這邊我們特別要提到的就是交通安全是我們最重要關注的但是在交通安全上交通事故這個發生尤其是兒童的事故的傷害就是頭號殺手了那所以本期要聚焦在這個我們兒童的交通事故那要關心的就是我們就學我們的通學的這整個環境的這個步道上面 |
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那最重要的就是去年的時候高達3萬人 |
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您表示我們政府在這方面行的安全是做得非常不夠了院長你同意嗎?是所以才會用2萬提升到3萬嘛那現在最重要的是要跟你討論就是行的安全尤其是通血的這些步道這些人行道上面針對這個進捐基金會的調查報告裡面 |
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有75%的家長是自己接受。25%的學生自行上下課。但是將近有51%的學生是不想自己去上學。這原因當然是很多啦。那包括是道路被停車所佔走了。還有新人走一走會走到這個汽機車的道路上是非常危險。還有 |
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﹚三、7月5日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間 |
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所以本席要給院長和市長看一下準備的影片。 |
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就是本席在我們桃園平鎮地區的幾個國小、國中、高中的學校裡面,他的同學的,您看到,有很多,尤其是學校周邊,都是斑馬線,斑馬線還交叉複雜的那個圖形,那他們也無所適從。那而且,出了學校門口之後,沒有人行道。而有些有人行道的部分,它又有很多的障礙物,有路燈、有變電箱。 |
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還有談判這些等等所以必須要趕快積極來做那交通部在這邊的時候你們特別也有講到說在113年到116年啊你們編列了預算要來讓我們所有的通學步道來做以改善在我們全台灣有4165間學校但是你這4年的時間你只要做715家學校不到20% |
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那其他的呢?其他學校他們會各自提案嗎?這個委員報告 |
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路口的改善,現在交通部正提出一個大案的計畫,我們在年底之前會把799處依照式的危險路口做標示、標線以及中央庇護島的一個改善。同時在200個學校的周遭的道路會加設標線標誌,讓行政經過更清楚。院長反其跟你提的是4165個學校,你的目標是700個學校,你為什麼危險的時候不能等待,很多路口停 |
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您的聯海處是什麼調查出來的200處?你是讓各校提供的嗎? |
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這個是由內政部國土署跟各縣市政府包括教育局、公務局大家去會刊那選定那不過之前也有已經有些4000所學校裡面有之前有部分已經完成那未來我們是把最迫切的這700多所列為優先的目標那當然如果各縣市的量能他可以提早提早在這4年內來完成的我們也歡迎他提出來 |
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因為本席擔心你這個計畫是4年的時間,4年才去檢討的話,太慢了。 |
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好的委員 |
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這一定要去做的交通部盡量在今年完成這個200處之外盡量跟地方來了解哪些路段更需要加進來往後加去來進行從2萬人增加到去年的3萬人是增加不是減少的所以我們怎麼可以慢慢來呢一定要同步全台灣一起的來檢討改善我們整個交通學的這個環境尤其是通學的環境這部分好不好 |
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接下來本席要討論的就是我們地方的我們的建設在本席的選區裡面目前我們桃園鐵路地下化平正車站的進度在哪裡 |
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跟委員報告現有的憑證車站目前正在施工現在正在做連續幣的工程那我想市府有提出希望能夠南以南以那靠近這個未來的一個重劃區那目前的評估起來就是說如果現在南以有三個問題一個是他會在這個 |
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對於旅客的動線還有逃生的動線、疏散動線會有一個問題。第二個整個桃園鐵路地下化的期程會增加三年。第三個就是現有站已經在施工,移過來會增加的經費這個部分還要再估算。 |
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謝謝你了解所有的狀況很感謝你那本席在上任立法委員一直到現在非常關注的就是這個建設因為在桃園鐵路有 |
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﹚發言委員 |
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本來中壢車站是最醜的車站,現在也已經移到旁邊去做臨時站,要趕快做改善的整個工程。所以你看到,憑證車站,交通堵塞,道路狹窄,腹地不夠的清新,我們擔心憑證也會發生一樣的問題。所以我們要遠見,要讓地方進步發展,就必須要有未來看得到的問題都要一一的來解決。 |
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當下的時候我們在106年的時候我們就經過了可信心的評估把我們的憑證車站用增設計劃裡面在我們高架已經設進去了後來改成鐵路地下化我們也經過溝通協調也納入鐵路地下化的這個工程那但是因為一些坡度的問題說要改變我們的 |
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車站要北移665公尺那本是那時候的話一直講說那你車站設置一個有腹地夠寬廣有停車空間有公車轉運不造成交通堵塞的地方但是前朝市政府一直沒有聽到民意所以沒有在找到更好的地點所以北移了665公尺就是現在的這平鎮車站的地方 |
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後來張燦正市長上任之後馬上反映這問題必須要獲得解決所以我們先解決了就坡度的問題行政院也已經通過同意我們我們鐵路平正車站這個陶鐵地下化出土位置難以1.2公里既然難以1.2公里坡度也解決了 |
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如果市政府儘速把這個暫止的地點能夠確定下來,那地方也能夠接受,或是交通部。這是我們民意大家所要求的。對,儘速跟這個市政府來做協商,我們進行以後必要的程序。那拜託,拜託院長跟市長。好,謝謝李委員。下一位我們請游哈委員質詢。 |
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謝謝各位主席、副院長。那有請院長,還有NCC的主委,還有速發部的部長。請卓院長備詢NCC主委、速發部部長。委員好。院長好。那我想在這裡先請教我們就是NCC的主委。 |
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主委,這個未來NCC的主委卸任之後,你會去台哥大當他的獨立董事嗎?台哥大?我們有那個旋轉門條款,不可能。對啊,所以你不會嘛。那NCC會有任何的委員卸任之後,去台哥大當獨立董事嗎? |
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這還是要說公園服務法的規定那所以這很明顯的那也知道像目前來講在台客大在這個6月30之後那在7月1號它的評普的部分因為會提這個的話我們都知道NCC它主要它不僅是要防止媒體壟斷那它也需要去防止電信壟斷各式各樣的壟斷在一個市場的一個公平競爭之下那所以說在目前我們看到 |
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台客到他藉由他的訴訟,他要來跟NCC來進行一個訴訟,他要來把這個評普,價值7億的評普來站著,沒有去做一個規劃,那嚴重的衝擊到這個市場的機制,那主要在一個公平是非跟公道的一個過程,那我想就教一下院長,那像這樣子的一個事件,行政院以及相關所屬機關會持什麼樣的態度來進行處理? |
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蘋果是國家的公共財產絕對要在一個公平的分配底下有利於人民在使用這個設施能夠得到最佳的便利所以任何的廠商都應該在這個規範底下去做一些蘋果的分配絕對不能有任何隱私或私心的作為沒有錯那院長你說的沒錯那現在NCC要如何來做這個作為 |
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回答一下委員的問題平普基本上來講現在主管機關是數位部當然平普來講的話他的規劃使用以後那監理是由NCC來負責那現在來講的話像台科大因為這是個案我們現在已經找這個台科大這個部分來講下禮拜會到本會來陳述意見因為這會涉及到一方面來講第一個就是說那個平普如果超標的話超評的話要怎麼處理的問題第二 |
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就是這個部分可能是數位部的權限但是如果是跟NCC有關的是那個營運計畫的問題也就是當時我們在做合併的處分的時候 |
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有提到這個依法他有抄品的部分要繳回來不繳回來講的話那有可能營運相關營運計畫可能會涉及到財儲的問題對那因為NCG涉及到財儲包括罰款最低從50甚至到500萬可是這個價值期就算他不斷的裁罰NCG不斷的裁罰但是他佔著這個評估是國家財產一樣價值期他一樣持續在營運那當然 |
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數位發展部的部長我也不會問他會不會去NCC當獨棟,因為他剛上任也很積極啊,要積極發揮。那只是說在目前NCC,我坦白講,我們社會各界看到的對於中天啊,可以馬上立即的揮起大刀,但是在台哥大他目前來講的財閥,因為這個部分大家都在看報導, |
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一路都知道在當初他在整併這臺灣之心的時候他就已經讓臺灣之心他吸收了這85億85億的這個金額的部分來做這個評估的虧損而現在他又直接再告這個NCC再走這行政訴訟來進行這個拖延那本席直接就叫我們的院長 |
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我回答一下 |
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基本上來講像這個案子來講的話他有沒有違反那我們會本會是獨立機關是合一制會經過委員會討論以後來是不是有違反要不要採取那採取如果說違反狀態還沒有辦法解決我們會要求改正那如果改正他不改正我們會去連續採取的問題那這個不就是陷入這個困境嗎 |
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那本席還是在這裡希望院長也可以針對這事情表個態啦因為我們看到如果說不斷的這樣子的裁罰那裁罰到時候不斷的拖延那一方面 |
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這個當初在這整個合併的過程中那臺哥大就已經也都把這個包括遊戲規則三分之一就要繳回超過就要繳回都直接讓NCC主委都清楚知道但是現在來講讓臺灣資金他吸收了這個85億那再跟NCC再進行這個訴訟來去拖延 |
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政府對於這個市場的保護來講,我覺得是不夠達到積極的態度跟手段。相信院長應該也同意我的看法。 |
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任何的合併都應該以保障消費者的權益當為優先的考量。這個過程當中如果有不當的利益使用或是在使用上有違規違法的情形,那NCC剛剛是有罰則的。那這罰則縱使有上限,那如果能夠我們有持續不斷的要求業者來改善這個作為,我認為這樣的強度是必須拿出來的。表示公權力跟這個消費者的權益是站在一起的。 |
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好,那因為這個部分涉及到廢紙嘛,中天的等於是換照的時候就被大刀一揮嘛,那本席我跟台灣大革大其實也不認識,那只是針對這個議題來講,我相信大家都在關注,那我希望行政院這邊報告ICC能夠技術積極作為,好謝謝。那我接著要請教交通的議題,那就謝謝主委跟部長,謝謝。那請交通部長。 |
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本席還是如以往的在上次的總執行也有針對這個終結還局限能夠進南投那這一件議題這個有關於南投非常重大的一個交通建設因為中張投尤其是台中南投本就是一個生活圈那這個終結進南投的這個議題 |
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更是許淑華許縣長在過去8年立委期間以及現在當縣長期間非常重視的議題那本席只想在這邊針對終結局限金南投希望行政院長能夠表個態南投縣政府的計畫送進來的時候是不是行政院這邊也能夠全力來支持 |
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交通部應該是要跟台中市政府南投縣政府在進行這個可行性的評估那現在交通部的進度是不是跟委員報告是跟委員報告在去年去年的2月已經有合訂補助南投縣政府針對這個延伸的部分來做可行性的規劃 |
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現在正在做規劃之中我想他只要規劃報告完成那我們會送到交通部來協助當然在規劃的過程必須也要跟台中市做相關的協商包括工程的辦理還有未來怎麼樣的經營誰來當經營的主體相關的財務怎麼樣的一個分擔我想這個部分也要先協商之後我們就會來協助審議 |
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OK那本席還是這邊再強調一下交通部協助南投縣政府的這個報告評估計畫在7月就會完成南投縣軌道系統整體網路評估計畫那到時候包括南投縣政府跟台中市政府本就有共識了那也希望交通部到時候能夠全力支持那也希望說因為這是包括賴清德總統的一個政見那所以本席在這也希望院長您能夠表個態 |
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總結舉憲進南投您是支持? |
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只要評估有效益那相關的這個規定符合我想我們就來協助處處理這個中張頭生活圈這一定有效益但是院長你是可以表達一個支持的態度那我相信南投縣民也比較放心 |
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我接著問一個重大的建設 |
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那這個之前的話本席在上次總之選還沒有提過但是這一次要特別的來為我們的南投跟彰化的鄉親尤其是南投的鄉親來跟院長這邊來爭取就是我們國道3號南雲交流道它通車完工之後其實是讓這個我們整體的南邊的南投鄉親啊在交通上是確實是有比較便利的一個出口那這問題是 |
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院長其實大家在看待我們有時候在去中部的時候去這個快關交友道下還直接到台中搭高鐵這是非常便利但是南投的鄉親其實卻沒有辦法輕易的來去田中高鐵站來搭這個高鐵大家必須還是要繞到雲林還再到這個田中高鐵站才去搭所以這個一下一上的這個路徑是非常的遙遠 |
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那現在其實當初在這個交流道他有預留一個缺口他就是要做這個張覽大橋只要竹山一過去這個二水他就直接到田中可以直接到高鐵站那過去來講縣府曾經有提出希望能夠讓交通部來協助那中央的經費出的比例包括南投縣政府跟昭和縣政府能夠出的比例那現在南投縣政府跟昭和縣政府也有共識那是不是可以來請 |
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院長以及部長來思考這個南雲交流道搭這個張南大橋過去的這一個建設後續他可以持續做到的就是一路到田中高鐵再到二嶺的工業區那就是等於就是一個東西向的快速道路那相信這個對整體南投去彰化也好去搭高鐵也好都是非常的便利那相關的資料其實交通部過去都有 |
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那我想說就交一下院長還是這一案能夠正向來支持也能夠積極協助。交通的規劃交通部先說明一下。委員您所提的應該就是竹山到二水的這個快速東西向的這個快速道路。那這個我的了解如果要跨越要穿越八卦山脈是比較一個大的工程所以必須要 |
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我修正一下部長的說法,這個不用跨越八卦山脈,它直接就是跨左水溪就可以了。所以當初在評估計畫到時候留了一個缺口,就是讓這個交流道,南營交流道可以直接過去跨越左水溪。那旁邊的話其實是有雲林到彰化的大橋,所以它的那個難度在以前早就已經突破了。 |
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這個是我們做一個了解我們也會跟南投縣府跟彰化縣府大家一起來坐下來協商如果在交通上有他的需求看怎麼樣來啟動這個部分的可行性 |
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好那因為這個部分預計交通委員會我們也會排7月15號的會刊到時候我們來考察那也希望院長能夠對於這項重大建設能夠正面支持好報告每每到南投去都知道台中在經過道路系統雖然建設比過去是進步許多了但也一直在思考如果能夠有一個更便捷的方式我想對南投的鄉民居民來看絕對是一個好的結果所以交通部在 |
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接下來的會館當中我們全力的來看看如何協助。好那因為本席坦白講在過去8年其實我就不考院長就是8年在南投彰化可以提出的重大的一個交通建設其實是不好列舉 |
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但是我相信在這一年就是在院長您擔任院長的任上包括部長積極協助推動讓這個快速道路能夠看見曙光我相信這個對於南投跟彰化我相信會是以大福音因為建設也不分藍綠我們中央地方齊心好不好謝謝 |
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再來一個議題就是這個臺灣好行我們看到這個觀光暑期做的推動的部分都非常好包括中東部的推動那目前來講我們看到許多的成績也帶動地方觀光發展那但是南投市目前南投市南投的最大的鄉鎮市還沒有相關的路線那是想請這個到時候院長跟部長來積極的支持南投市也能夠有後續的路線來開出 |
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那接著就是我們看到博愛座那博愛座現在被稱博豆座那現在來講做一個修正來講他叫做有必須要使用者那來去做這個座位去做一個更名實際需要者那本席在這裡還是要提出希望交通部還在這個部分能夠跟衛福部再去做一個溝通 |
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因為老弱婦孺改為實際需要者我個人是認為不應該是受到許多這些事件反而大家應該是回頭來講是在宣導跟教育上還重新讓大家來去做一個認知而不是頭痛一頭腳痛一腳那我相信不能本末倒置因為本來來講大家實際需要這樣子的字眼還需要去做一個定義我覺得其實是大可不必 |
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反而是應該實際需要是哪些以前的類別都可以反而是應該是加強宣導那最後 |
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那這個謝謝院長那時候在馬文君委員提出查柏的時候你有表達說您到時候也會來參加這南投的查柏對那謝謝您的參與那相信到時候大家非常期待那本席也在這裡也特別拜託延續馬文君委員跟許淑華縣長的一個需求過去兩年的話查柏中央的補助是800萬那是不是在今年的部分可以持續往800萬以上的水平來支持好不好 |
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好 謝謝有委員謝謝院長下一位請林俊憲委員質詢好謝謝主席 |
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本席邀請我們行政院卓院長。卓院長請備選。我們交通部李部長。部長請備選。立委好。院長好。部長好。自從賴清德總統當選到上任以來, |
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曾多次在公開場合說過,未來臺灣的經濟和政策的發展重心將會逐步難移。例如今年初賴總統曾經對高科技產業發言的時候說,未來50年,由南部來發揮力量。上個禮拜六,賴總統來到高雄捷運的岡山車站通車典禮。 |
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他說,現在他來做總統,要讓臺灣的發展平均,要支持南部發展,最先進的產業會往中南部來移動。我記得6月15日,卓院長你很辛苦地到臺南沙崙的科學園區,來正式宣布國家的AI園區會設在臺南的沙崙,是這樣齁? |
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所以我認為賴總統的想法和做法我把它稱呼為建設大南方就是說未來我們政府的施政重心會更加重視的南北的均衡 |
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更加的投資南部,來扭轉多年以來的南北部平衡。不知道院長,總院長您的看法是如何?謝謝委員。總統的講法也一定是在均衡台灣的理念之下,建設大南方,但是也不會忽略或是放掉北部跟中部。因為過去北部中部的發展已經有相當長的一段的時間,所以各方的健全的發展也比較多。那南方過去承受的比較多的 |
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但是我們提到了高科技產業的往南邊移動當然有政策上的因素但是你只有先天需要的 |
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南部有土地,台南的沙崙還有南科土地加起來大概有將近2000公頃還可以使用。另外就電力,其實現在北部的電力都是靠南電北送,長途的電力輸送增加損耗。 |
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尤其你在北部幾乎不可能再蓋新的電廠所以未來的高科技產業的發展勢必一定會往中南部移動這個也是必然的所以在未來的產業會往南部移動的前提之下我們希望政府我要提問的是我們的基礎建設做好了嗎我今天要來跟部長院長討論的就是說我們必須要超前部署 |
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我們必須要來進速發展提升南部的尤其台南的一些基礎建設像台南全世界最重要的半導體的生產基地還有未來AI最重要的一個發展的地方但是它的基礎建設尤其交通我今天特別要來請教院長還有李部長 |
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那我也跟總院長來報告啦,我跟李孟彥部長在談台南的交通啊,非常輕鬆啊,因為你知道嘛,他在台南活過很多年的時間啊,做過台南的局長,副市長,還有代理局長。所以,李孟彥,現在來當年我們的交通不正,對台南的交通,我當年跟他討論,有時候講了一些細節啦,不正不一定知道。那李孟彥部長喔,非常清楚啦,他甚至不用看圖啦。 |
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李部長非常的認真也情保也熟悉業務那他代表行政院去跟外界所做任何的協商我們行政院都非常支持好謝謝院長李部長就經過我們兩任市長我們就要同時把台南所抱的基礎幹線就三橫三縱他三條第二線就是台61 |
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國道1到國道3那三條環所謂三橫就是台84號快速道路就84號快速道路還有國道8還有86號那黃偉哲市長再多一橫就是北外環道路所以就由三橫三縱變成了三縱四橫 |
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那其中啦,這骨架道路都做差不多了啦。我們現在要破通的,就是要有一個破格的地方。那有一些缺口啦,我們要把它彌補起來。在這齁,我昨天早上知道齁,我最近兩星期,我每星期都邀請檸檬院部長到台南去。我們在看台南的一些溝通齁,尤其啊,針對藍科的地方啦。藍科齁,也讓左院長了解,藍科現在大概有9萬多個人。 |
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那未來短短幾年它會快速增加到數萬個人。藍科的產值啊已經超過足科了。像我剛才所說的,現在是全世界最重要半導體的生產基地啦。AI大力發展,都有在藍科,阿不就在沙崙。所以呢,這個部分呢,李部長有提一個非常好的建議啦。 |
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臺南市政府應該要針對大南科訂定一個生活圈的道路計畫所以我最近有請李部長幾乎每個禮拜去啦最近我跟李部長有講起 |
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例如,我們剛才說的烏橋中路,這是南口的一條烏橋中路,它被曾文熙凍掉了。那我們現在做一個橋,讓烏橋中路可以跨越曾文熙。 |
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同時曾文熙的右岸那條紅色的有一個南40線,他可以延伸到關田,讓曾文熙增加一條走廊,可以讓嘉麗、馬道、關田,這三個地方都有很多藍科的人,住在那裡很好,還是他上班要經過,讓他的溝通更加流暢,不用在那裡洗來洗去。另外,我剛才也說到西港大街的溝通改善, |
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市港大橋現在交通非常可怕啦,經過公路總局的統計啦,一套在時上班時間,7點到8點啦,1點鐘內裏,9個車輛手有三千幾台,幾乎是一秒鐘啦,一秒鐘就有一台車9個啦,所以他那個交通啊,已經塞爆了,急需要一個改善的計畫,那這個計畫齁, |
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現在臨時政務到交通部已經有定型了。這部分交通部這裡能夠盡快來完成這個西港大橋周邊的交通的改善。還有一個就是國道8號。 |
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如果院長有時間在台南,在你的台南,你如果遭到國盜包,你可能會看到一個奇蹟啦。國盜有紅色燈的啦,剛才這條啦,全台灣啦。國盜居然跑到一半變成平面道路啦,還有紅綠燈啦,還跟市區的道路這樣拍桿喔,還來到北館。這個部分啊,理事長也有答應,尤其在這個國盜配合在安定這個地方,我們要把它高架,把它縫合起來。 |
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部裡面也已經同意阿那現在阿我們需要阿總院長喔鼎力的來支持阿不然喔你看這個這都在人口旁邊出入必經之道 |
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另外﹖ |
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還有一段就是說國道保法還要再延長,因為在台南市的安安區,國道配合是臨時要進台南市區最重要的一條路,他要進安安區,要進中西區,要進安平,他都要遭國道配合,但國道配合在安安區,他很大的部分都變平面道路,都在停安卸停,那這個部分其實有一個界位,之前有上一個界位來交通部, |
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就是這個國土配合你還要再拉長,要讓他可以經過台江大道到岸中路,從新籍過台江大道一直到岸中路,等於說把國道保護再拉長。那這個部分,甚至經費都估算出來了,大概要70幾億的預算。我也請請你們院部長,這條路你了解嗎?國土配合要再拉長這裡。 |
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我知道這是線型的,線型是一個平面大道,就是平面的台江大道,那如果國道8要,高架要往這邊延伸,整個還要再做一個進一步... 不,它是跟台江大道交叉而已啦。今天就是國,國道8其實它走在台時期線上,你等它就是把國道8,其實它就是這麼高架、這麼平面、這麼高架啦。 |
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我們剛才還要安定這個平面的部分給他補開嘛另外他還要安安顧料啊你能夠到這裡繼續讓他走啦 |
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因為他太多平面道路,留在安南區啦。所以變成喔,你如果市區過安南區要去國道保護,你會走很久啦。你在平面道路,你會太久啦。有太多的紅綠燈、太多的交叉路口。這部分喔,這條啊,我們非常重要。我請交通部,這部分喔,趕緊來完成這個會議。施政委已經有一個規劃了,也會送到交通部來。還有一個就是這個台86號。 |
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台86在首次中議定的時候,有核定台86的重擔就在國有內蒙去。那台86,也讓左院長看了解一下。台86跟剛才的8號都一樣,他就是台86離國道3號就近在咫尺。 |
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國道3號 |
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這不應該啦,就不應該那一小段路變成平面道路。這86號應該要給他接力討錢的,國道3號。這在首輪中議會的時候,我們就非常清楚啦。另外,雙區的黃定屋委員對這個案件他也很關心啦。他也幫忙協調地方啦。 |
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所以這個報文還牽涉到未來台南市及高雄市,兩個直轄市,這也是一個很重要,這個三區的通營的道路。這報文請高農部主評要趕緊來做。也就是說未來台南還有很多像新疆高流道、台港快速道路、六甲外環道路等等,這些都是未來非常重要的交通規劃,所以我跟你說, |
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議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
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昨天委員長了解,台南的鐵路地下化,你應該提到台南的鐵路地下化,現在完全80%。那我們要再延長,因為延長過永康,因為應該說現在是台南最多人,二十幾萬人口的一個行政區。所以鐵路地下化,我一天請李孟彥部長來,把已經討論多年的永康的延伸段,把它確定清楚。 |
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所以現在醫療喔,鐵路鐵路的沿燈到櫻空車頭100,可以過永康的永大路。另外國立路就是新市啦,新市就開始高架。所以永康的鐵路地下化延伸喔,可以消毒,永康有三個平交道,三個路橋,一個人形地下道可以消毒。你要到新市喔,新市那台鐵高架啦,可以消除新市五個平交道,一個寒洞啦。 |
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﹚禮負長﹚ |
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完成這兩個部分,就是用鋼鐵路地下化的延長以及新式鐵路的立體化,這部分請議長等行政院合併而已,請行政院能夠全力來支持。再來就是捷運,因為六都只有台南沒有捷運,你知道嗎?其他五都都有,只有台南沒有捷運。那一天,農業部長到台南,有馬上支持, |
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這個幾乎最新的一條黃線的捷運的規劃,因為這個運作也很重要,它在南區、在西區,因為西區過安南區到新吉南區。就是說它在南區、中西區、安平、安南區到新吉區的這個新的捷運。這個規劃案我們都寫,因為你們部長的職責。 |
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因為台南市的捷運,尤其是最成熟的是藍線,那時候這套算,現在已經保齡已經核定了,高農部核定了,上到行政院,等行政院核定,這保齡是不是請到卓院長進數啊,行政院來完成審定,好不好? |
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市政府的基本設計已經完成,交通部也已經抱怨了。那我們現在加速來看看這個內容,那盡速把這個藍線讓他更成熟去執行這個藍線。那其他的還有綠線跟剛剛委員說的黃線,這可行性評估跟相關的作業都在進行當中。 |
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謝謝林委員謝謝院長下一位請李博毅委員質詢 |
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請卓院長請卓院長備詢請交通部林部長交通部李部長備詢李委員好請院長我很珍貴的這15分鐘交通部門的質詢各位院長的質詢還是要說明一下為什麼剛剛其他委員在講 |
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昨天立法院的委員會有四個委員會沒有辦法運作其中最重要一個就是院長你是最受信任的院長大家都信任你所以昨天內政委員會提出要提高罷免門檻要審議的時候因為大家對你的信任所以對這個罷免案大家無法來進行這些討論 |
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台灣的憲政體制要嘛你對於復議案的結果不滿你可能可以對行政院提出信不信任的案子要嘛你就是接受這個復議案但是現在國會實際的運作不是這樣他就是要當人民投下你立委這一票的時候其實同時人民手上還握有罷免的權利 |
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你當選了之後你要馬上改變人民罷免的這個權利大家當然不滿啊我們的機制是在另外一個所以我先 |
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跟院長說明大家是信任你所以我們會繼續捍衛人民罷免的權利所以再有相關的提案民進黨團還是會持續捍衛人民罷免的權利我非常珍貴的時間用了一分半鐘我要趕快來為南部的建設發聲在院長是5月20號就任在5月15號的時候我跟交通委員會去考察了小港機場 |
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小港機場行政院也非常用心包含我們之前的政府8年的政府其實也提出了兩期要擴張小港機場的建設一共分成兩個階段達到880億包含新的航廈包含航道的北移可是880億院長 |
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現在南部人要的不是這個說明給你、給院長聽在2019年的時候疫情前小港機場的國際航班到達4000個班次但是在2023年也就是去年度小港機場航班現在目前只恢復到2258次 |
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我們要的其實不只是多點的航班我們要的還有更大機型的飛機在疫情前小港機場我舉個例好了現在剛好是暑假旺季在疫情前小港機場飛到國人最愛的北海道是用A330的飛機也就是可以搭乘比較多人的雙走道的飛機飛在疫情後北海道還沒有復飛 |
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在疫情前高雄有一些航班會用A330或者是波音的747來飛但是在疫情後小港機場目前所有航班只剩下單走道飛機我再舉一個例子以華航小港飛東京跟桃園飛東京 |
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小港飛東京航班現在的承載率是96%桃園飛東京是80%那桃園飛東京三台飛機都是A350小港飛東京都是321都是小飛機 |
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在我們要大量投資小港機場的這個航廈之前要讓南部人可能出國旅遊甚至未來可能台南高雄已經超越新竹科學園區未來大量商務旅客進駐南部的時候小港機場沒有可以直飛歐美的班機這是我的忠誠目標 |
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甚至連中型航班A350波音737都沒有這個其實目前不用花錢可以做到的我也跟院長報告你還沒上任的時候我在3月6日在交通委員會質詢華航董事長他跟我說他現在正在買飛機等A350 |
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在2025年到的時候再來思考要不要到小港機場他跟我說他現在也正在買波音787的飛機等2020、2027年到位的時候再來做整體的思考如果我們要投資如果我們要讓南部的旅客 |
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有比較方便的中程目標是飛歐美但是有比較方便的像現在短程出了如果要飛三個小時以上的飛機其實用321來飛是不舒服的所以在這邊想要請教院長對於小港機場這一個擴建這一個新航廈的擴建的這一個態度會不會一樣另外我也要建議院長在這個擴建開始之前 |
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報告委員 |
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我日前才到桃園機場看第三航廈的進展工程的進展一樣的未來小港機場及機場有這樣的一個擴建的計畫我想行政院同樣的重視我們會全力的支持那至於現在因為我們剛剛我也提到過要開發這個大南方的計畫 |
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﹚廣告 |
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部長,我們說內行一點 |
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我們說雙走道飛機什麼時候來這個其實除了華航之外我們小雄機場的這些包含機艙的這些停放的優惠我們有蘿蔔也有棍子我們希望可以趕快有雙走道飛機來服務南部的鄉親但是我們更希望在短期內國人南部的所有的旅客或者是商務客比如說 |
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欸今年又有火星人要來高雄聽演唱會歐美沒有直飛啊還是從桃園桃園轉啊那各種大型的演唱或者是未來南部的這些半導體的產業園區中心商務客還是從桃園轉啊我們希望有一天 |
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是。 |
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來下一題。一樣是交通部。在 |
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德國跟日本對我們臺灣台積電都直接用補助都直接用補助來請這個台積電到去德國跟日本設廠那台積電在南梓他現在設三個廠那預計明年都開始亮廠所以我跟陳其邁市長其實對於南梓跟左雲周邊的這些交通包含軌道的建設我們是非常非常努力的在追 |
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那現在目前行政院其實也面臨到一個非常難的狀況我剛才坐在底下聽其他委員的質詢每一個人都要跟部長跟院長講一條線那我也一樣我這一條是紫線但是我很擔心的是在前瞻計畫裡面其實高雄有爭取到一條黃線捷運 |
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共同爭取到黃線捷運在分年編列的這些預算裡面包含113年中央必須補助119億包含114年中央必須補助119億包含115年中央必須補助139億這些可能都是左院長李部長分別要來編列分別要來支持但是在目前花東山法在目前才化法 |
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畫下去。我不知道行政院對於113、114、115黃線捷運有沒有可能預算縮水影響到黃線捷運的這些進度我很擔心這是第一點院長讓你講一下 |
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謝謝委員因為過去前瞻基礎建設確實幫助地方做了很多重要的公共建設那未來我們在預算編列過程當中如果盡量朝不編列特別預算的方式走的話那我們會炒到一大塊特別預算也少掉過去的前瞻基礎建設那前瞻第5期剩下700億 |
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謝謝 |
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議員發言 |
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二十五個二十四個車站地下七站那可能高價有十七站那總經費可能是需要一千八百八十四億當然這不是整段因為後面還有佛光山段等等的這個還沒有納入是只有從 |
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高雄醫學大學接民族路這一段踩地下往北到榮總這一段踩地下再往左邊往西到高鐵站這一串也踩地下 |
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通過高鐵之後要進入右昌地區要進入高雄大學地區要進入橋頭科學園區要進入包含我們的大學學園區這一段採高價一共需要1884億在捷運黃線的例子裡面在我們在推動捷運黃線的過程裡面捷運黃線從 |
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19年通過可行性評估到2022年實際動工一共花了大概5年的時間。 |
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我們希望在捷運子線通過可行性評估之後我們在環評上面我們就要來努力希望可以縮短兩年的時間希望可以在一年多的時間就可以達到環境影響評估那也希望後面的細部設計等等的動工等等都可以如期都可以順利的在2028、2029的時候順利動工這是我們希望 |
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所以剛剛部長講的這個預算我還要跟你加1884億部長捷運紫縣他其實是從南紫從現在台積電高鐵一路會服務到含捷運黃線會服務到三個醫療園區包含長庚醫院包含高雄醫學院包含榮總甚至包含義大 |
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那會包含七所大學那會包含橋頭科學園區跟台積電男子產業園區這麼重要產值那麼高的一條捷運線我也希望到時候在環境影響評估等等的那可以獲得行政院大量的支持這條線我也邀請院長跟部長來看看 |
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這個只限希望市政府、高雄市政府能夠儘速完成這個可行性評估。已經快出來了。那出來以後我們就請交通部、議程去辦理,我們進出來看。但是剛剛委員提到我們如果將來也沒有特別預算,前瞻預算也用完了,那將來在整個公共建設的預算當中無法這樣的膨脹的話,恐怕很多時程會往後延。 |
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這是我們擔心的。對,所以中央如果再沒有保持這種彈性靈活的財政的能力的話,那往後延的可能性是相當不可預測。臺灣的政治體制,中央院長就是要有能力,足夠的能力去佈局未來臺灣發展的方向。臺灣未來發展方向包含半導體,包含AI也有可能來高雄。這一些佈局要把人引來最重要的交通建設,我也希望院長可以加強這個佈局。 |
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也請委員支持我們中央保持這種彈性有能力的財政能力,我們就能夠均衡臺灣最需要的地方去,但這個也會顧及到各縣市的公平性,請大家放心。會啦,高雄值得投資。最後,男子交流道引道在李孟淵部長4月27號還陪同陳建仁前院長來視察包含鐵路地下化, |
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接下來我們請吳秉瑞委員、張宏祿委員聯合質詢,詢答時間30分鐘。 |
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主席,麻煩請卓院長跟交通部理部長。好,卓院長、交通部理部長請備詢。委員,張委員好。你好。委員好。不知道你知不知道,我們中央 |
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道歉我還沒有看到確實的日期 |
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李部長應該很清楚因為你對台北縣的事情新北市的事情很了解這個題外變道就一段接一段現在就是從新莊的這個鐵路橋到樹林的三家之間這一段幾乎全部都是中央的經費那是委託新北市政府做一些工程7月18號現在我看到的資料是早上9點半要做啟用典禮他沒有邀請院長 |
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還不是沒有邀請院長而已沒有邀請小弟在下我這樣子的狀況這個只是一個個案像這個禮拜啊新北市環狀捷運線信福站旁邊的這個信福停車場經費由中央大量補助用前瞻基礎預算的建設的預算是 |
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本席很努力的爭取三個停車場之一新莊的三個停車場之一啟用典禮一樣沒有邀請立法委員就是市政府就自己辦了就算了然後好像我們都是無視人一樣根本都沒有關係一樣我是在想說這樣子的狀況一直發生在我們的身上我們到底是我們很努力的在為地方爭取 |
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地方該有的這些建設跟該有的這些設施結果只要經費給他給市政府然後他完工之後我相信他沒有通知本席應該也沒有通知交通部吧還是交通部有收到這個啟用典禮的邀請嗎目前我這邊沒有收到已經辦完了對沒有收到那個停車場的啟用典禮已經辦完了沒有收到邀請 |
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所以很多我們中央的預算補助地方是應該給地方錢讓地方有可以好好的建設當然是福國利民對我們新莊有很大的幫助問題是沒有人會講說這是中央進了多少努力中央的民意代表進了多少的努力 |
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全部都被一刀切因為你的工程委託他辦之後他自己完工之後全部都是他自己的宣傳全部都他的功勞跟我們都沒有關係一樣這樣的狀況一再的發生 |
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我舉了這幾個例子只是聽得到了所以我是在想說這中間是出了什麼問題交通部給錢之後就算了嗎中間給錢之後就算了嗎沒有跟他講說你啟用的時候或是說你要如果假設你要辦一個動工典禮做這些典禮儀式的時候都不用通知都不用邀請了還是你們這一方面都沒有在列管都沒有在沒有在要求 |
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對,如果是大筆的錢動輒幾十億的經費那中央補助了 |
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你好歹要啟用的時候你通知一聲那中央如果說跟你表達說啊對不起我那天有重要的公務所以我沒辦法去我派一個代表去那OK啊問題是他都不告訴你捏像我剛剛講的這個東西已經都辦完了你也不知道然後協助爭取經費的委員也應該要邀請新北市議員去啦那新北市議員回來跟我講說會中全部都是蔣新北市政府做的 |
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他也不去講說中央補助了多少錢中央的民意代表爭取了多少錢然後把所有的功勞全部都歸給地方還歸給地方特定的議員 |
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報告委員 |
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議員長跟部長,其實像中央補助,像我們現在也有很多人行道的改善工程,也都是中央的。其實地方他拿到錢之後,他擅自變更原來的設計。我們中央也管不著。我之前質詢也就是說我們這種問題,中央應該要一個管控的機制。 |
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﹚行政院 |
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在全台灣這個人行道的安全什麼這跟交通都有關的如果我們都沒有去做一個管控的話對不對好處不會留到行政院我們要的也不是好處但是他的變更設計跟原來設計不同這中間就是會有問題而且 |
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為什麼要變更設計而且他變更設計補助單位竟然都沒有智慧的餘地我覺得這個法令可能我們要修改一下要去了解一下好這樣不行請這個交通部還有內政部還有交通部的公路總局我們現在對於入口的改善會有一個到年底有一個相當明確的計畫一定要落實剛剛委員所說的這樣的情況我們來改進這個事實院長我覺得是要跟你講這個不是只有在交通方面其實在社會福利方面也是啊T-Plus |
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在北台灣從桃園一直到基隆一千兩百塊只要那幾項的公共運輸都吃到飽對不對以前沒有太多使用者不知道這錢是中央補助的因為他都以為這是地方政府的政策那我舉這樣的例子是要跟你講說我們很認真在做這是對啦但是有時候在外面被掛了 |
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阿你也好歹反應一下因為這會影響到最後他為什麼宣傳勒選舉的時候講說我們的民意代表都沒有在做事阿他最後的結論就是這樣阿 |
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各位報告現在那個TPAS的那個卡我們都有要求上面要有一個印製這個是行政院是我知道那是因為後面有被反映的這個事情之後才開始這樣做嘛那在之前還有一些譬如說我們發那個六千塊直接就是說行政院入帳讓你的帳戶上面看得到誰做的是誰做的我們清楚啦我們清楚民眾不一定清楚所以像我舉這個例子 |
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新莊現在除了西順、九里之外所有的中央民意代表、區議員就是我啊那中央補助的費用我不敢說完全都是我爭取的,大部分是我爭取的啊但是他從來就不講最後選舉的時候用黨派的意見就告訴你說新莊的立委都沒有在做事 |
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這個對我們是非常的不公道那同樣的他可以這樣講說同樣的言下之意是你中央政府也都沒有在做事補助的錢變成白送給他了那我覺得這是要不得我們時事求是本來大家是一個中華民國是一個團隊大家一起做事誰做的就說誰做的誰出多少就誰出多少誰努力了什麼就努力了什麼 |
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所以我的意思是說如果你有大量款項的補助的時候要求這些單位要追蹤啦而不是他拿去了完成了然後就跟我們沒有關係了拿去了就跟我們沒有關係了不可以這個樣子 |
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像我剛剛講的那個題外變道的連接全部的費用99%以上都是中央出的就他7月18日早上9點半要辦啟用典禮你沒有接到通知啊我也沒有接到邀請啊地方上的人講說你看市政府又來幫我們做了一個這麼偉大的建設這個建設當初蘇貞昌院長有新聞給新北市政府新北市政府說交通上不是最優先所以他不出錢 |
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所以最後百分之百變成我們是中央政府出錢的結果中央政府全部出錢之後現在啟用典禮他來辦新北市政府來辦院也沒有邀請中央民意代表也沒有邀請這個完全是我看這個百分之百真的在我背後的行為我們這麼努力爭取了幾、多少年前就開始在講 |
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然後行政院最後在蘇貞昌院長的時候問他說新北市政府願不願意做這條路要不要來大家來協調要怎麼開要支出經費的時候他跟你講說不是優先的交通建設項目他一毛錢都不出欸這個張宏路委員也可以作證啊事實上就是這樣啊結果他7月16號辦啟用典禮了他完全不通知我們 |
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我現在回到因為我是地方選出的民意代表我們還是要講地方有幾個事情做得不錯希望繼續能加強第一個就是五股交流道的改善他現在的工程有超出進度進度是26點多但現在已經進行到30點多了希望交通部能夠繼續加油這個要到116年的4月完工 |
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可是這個如果能夠提早完工對地方是莫大的功德了。這一件事情做得很好,但是溫子郡從化學區馬上土地再過兩年就會分發下來,就開始建設,人口又會增加非常的多了。所以五股交流道改善了一部分,問題是絕對問題會繼續不斷。我們應該要想辦法來思考這個全台灣最交通最擁擠的交流道, |
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有沒有泰山那一方面可不可以另外再弄一個引道之前一直有這樣的提案跟提議但是好幾個方案都一直被認為不可行就是說他不符合這個道路跟交流道的設計部長可不可以再想想辦法再想看看 |
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是,謝謝委員的鼓勵,我想五股交流道確實是一個很艱鉅的工程,因為這麼大的交通量,又要一邊通車,一邊行車,一邊要試工,那非常的不容易,因為有很多的改道等等的交通維持。 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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這就是我要問的第二個問題 |
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這個台65南向在新莊我一直主張要增加第二個出口事實上這個也都研究也都納入說預計即將要發包了希望能夠順利能夠做但是你也是一樣錢給他他怎麼做 |
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我希望能夠盡量幫我們看緊那個時程因為時間就是對我們來講非常大的壓力再來我今天為什麼跟張鴻路委員聯合質詢一個問題就是我們有一個泰山到板橋的這個捷運那現在叫做泰板輕軌 |
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可是我是要跟你說在一個大都市裡面經過人口這麼稠密的地方板橋跟新莊跟泰山人口加起來一百多萬 |
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結果他是要用輕軌的方式這個是事實上引起地方上面想說如果你長遠的時間來看你不應該用這麼小的運量這是第一個問題第二個問題我們新莊的後港跟西盛地區就是南新莊的後港跟西盛十幾萬的人口沒有一條軌道運送也沒有捷運 |
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我的主張是在跟塔寮坑溪的交接的地方這個太阪捷運這個地方要走塔寮坑溪的路廊跟走到潭底溝最後就是走溪盛跟後港的中間最後走到監理站樹林的監理站接這個 |
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關大樹林縣這樣可以路軌可以連接的起來而且可以服務西森跟後港新莊地區這十幾萬的人口這個案子啊新北市政府目前只有說他是後續的計畫希望交通部能不能考量我們地方十幾萬人口的需要那剛好就是在我跟蘇巧慧委員的這個選區的中間那這一個地方十幾萬人都沒有沒有任何的這個 |
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這個軌道運輸也沒有捷運的這個服務希望是不是這一方面可以幫我們考量加強市政府如果他的動作不夠快交通部如何跟他指導如何跟他協助讓他能夠對我們這個地方的需要這條有一個很大的好處如果能夠跟這個河流共構的話當然基礎啦他如果建在河流的上面基本上不用多少拆遷就可以把這條路可以做起來 |
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以上這是我的主張跟建議希望院長跟部長能夠支持這個還要地方新北市政府做很多的規劃包括系統的形式新北市還在過規劃而且對一些這個路廊條件新北市好像還沒有做最後的決定犧牲到這個板橋射後這一段其中當中的我這一段是後港犧牲支線張豪路那一段是 |
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在大台北地區十幾萬的人口沒有任何的捷運可以用 |
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部長跟院長,其實啊 |
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﹝廣告 |
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新北市政府還給我們之前交通部拿了多少規劃設計經費的補助去了。也是我有協助爭取的。他錢都拿了。為什麼他辭職不核定?因為去年在選舉啦。 |
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他不想造成選舉的變成中央立法委員有去爭取就是這麼簡單所以他遲遲的在那邊拖選舉也過了我覺得交通部我們補助了他這麼多而且這個從涉後到犧牲支線那時候交通部連中央補助多少錢什麼的全部都算出來了 |
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然後呢他的西部他用什麼車型然後路幅多少都很詳細都出來了而且新北市政府的評估他也已經都有預留這個支線未來的這個 |
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通車的話他的如何去運轉還有包括他車輛要購買多少其實都留有伏筆都有了總之就是因為政治的因素所以脫惡了那我覺得啦交通部我們補助的新北市有這麼多而且這一個講白了 |
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就是政治因素遲遲他他他不那時候不想核定而已那時機已過我覺得交通部我覺得啦跟新北市政府溝通欸交通部要錢給新北市新北市竟然拒絕我覺得這個應該要大聲講出來啊啊不然新北市每天在跟你們講財化法在你們跟你們講說補助他不夠 |
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那這一條交通部就之前都已經說好了錢都出來了是新北市遲遲不報公文來而已這點我們應該可以大聲講阿 |
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我講的中運量是指是泰山到板橋這一條要用比較大的運量至於我們的支線我就沒有那麼高的要求因為我們也不想地方要拆遷很多的既有的建築物包括人民的房子跟土地啊所以為什麼我主張這一條走塔寮根西走潭堤溝的上面因為這樣幾乎就不用去拆遷既有的這個房屋了 |
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一樣在我們社會地區交通部規劃出來的路線也是幾乎不用拆房子什麼都已經出來了就只是擦心北市政府說這個他的一個公文而已那我覺得這一點我們要拜託部長 |
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新北市一天到晚在說你不補助他什麼的那這一條我們早就有補助了是他遲遲不報公文你也要大聲說給新北市民聽啊我們板橋社會地區十幾萬人口沒有捷運這對板橋的交通啊這衝擊很大啦我覺得這一點要拜託部長啦部長你覺得勒 |
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是,我想這個武泰輕軌那一直延伸到板橋可以說是另外一個環狀線的一個外環那我覺得而且他連絡好幾個既有的這個捷運可以把它串聯在一起所以我覺得他是有很好的這個轉乘或者接駁的這個效應 |
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那現在怎麼樣讓延伸線還有包括支線可以讓新北市這邊趕快的來啟動相關的這個可行性的規劃這個我們來協調讓他趕快的把這個規劃進行然後核定那第二個就是現在是採輕軌那是不是考慮用重運量才能來滿足未來的這個運量我們會再跟會再詳細的做這個運量的一個評估 |
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剛剛張委員講的齁我要提醒你齁他說新北市政府常常在那邊complain說中央對他的補助是少的虧待了他其實不是這樣子真實不是這樣你去給他算一算包括環狀縣各個捷運縣萬大處林縣山陰縣這些補助加起來的金額是非常大的我們是希望 |
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真的有給他補助那麼多就具體的統計出來不要每天被他吃豆腐說什麼我們都沒有在照顧新北市所以這一點也是希望你們要努力的要很會做事但是也要把東西講得清清楚楚不要被他占了便宜然後他得了便宜還賣乖你部長把統計數字送給委員要參考送給我之外要讓社會大眾能夠知道 |
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我們的意思是說新北市政府常常在穿我們中央政府的小鞋都說我們補助他沒有補助很少我覺得這個應該也要大聲講我們剛剛講的這個事後跟犧牲支線這個其實都已經規劃得很詳細了就是只差他自己公文不報來而已那我剛剛已經講了什麼原因了這點 |
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交通部也應該要講啊交通部本來就準備好了是你新北市政府的行政帶舵你新北市政府你是對不起新莊跟板橋的市民啊我覺得這一點應該要講啊讓新北市政府不然他都跟地方講說沒有啦交通部又沒有錢要給我們這樣子背黑鍋又是我們行政院交通部 |
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謝謝委員今天有機會讓交通部來說明這個清楚,我想以後要特別注意,我們已經有計畫的拖延時間下來了,一定對地方造成不便,我們應該主動去爭取說明的機會,或是要求地方政府來加速配合的這個時程。 |
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另外部長,進勞卡的點數從去年開始可以做台鐵,但現在不是全台灣每個縣市都可以做台鐵。我不知道部長你知不知道其他縣市還沒有開始的原因是什麼? |
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我知道目前已經有14個縣市有加入敬老卡搭乘台鐵的措施那其他還沒有進來的部分我想我們會再請台鐵跟這些縣市來溝通看怎麼樣讓他們知道有這樣的一個機制那可以讓他們的長輩這些縣市的長輩能夠有更優惠更好的交通工具來提供服務 |
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另外部長你支不支持台鐵都可以搭了高鐵可不可以也開放敬老卡讓我們的長者也可以用點數去抵扣去搭高鐵 |
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高鐵因為他的金額比較大他可能一趟或是半趟就把敬老卡的金額都用完他的意思就是這樣子啊用完就用完了剩下的就是補現金啊他們現在計程車的搭乘在地方上他一直給你50塊 |
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府長錢多少是一件事情給長者方便又是一件事情這筆錢本來就是他們可以用的你如果開放的多他就可以用的多我簡單舉一個才不會剩下的到下個月就不見了你先聽我講齁 |
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你說錢不夠,那我們以臺灣搭台鐵的,屏東一個月500點。部長,500點高鐵如果從屏東,他至少從高雄坐到台中應該有了吧?因為他本來就是半票啊,他坐到台中應該有了吧?剩下的他其他他自己補就好了啊。 |
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對不對我覺得這一個錢多少我覺得你只要開放人家就會用而且部長你知不知道像高雄市政府他們已經有在研擬這一個進勞卡的這一個不要每個月每個月算他是用一年來 |
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來算的因為我們政府的預算本來就是編一年啊地方議會也都通過這筆預算啊那你都通過一年的預算了你還是讓人家很不好使用高雄市政府有在研擬這個我不知道部長你知不知道啊其實如果他這樣子可以做的話 |
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我們只要花一筆錢改善這個路口的那個雜票的那個設計改一下就好了所以我才會提出這個所以我覺得部長我認為啦應該也可以是嘗試的去開放讓人家搭高鐵你看我剛講的500塊 |
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人家是一個月五百塊呢?那如果人家高雄是可以累積一整年,反正他用完就沒有了啊,對不對?也政府沒有多支出一毛錢。政府的預算沒有多支出喔,對不對?那他就好使用啊。那人家高雄如果是一年的話,人家他搭兩趟 |
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﹚高鐵 |
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部長可以搭台鐵是我 |
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從上一屆我努力了4年本來台鐵也是有很多想法我後來就說你就把這一個機制把它建立起來人家要的縣市就會主動加入了高鐵我認為也是一樣其實他只要改這個他驗票的這個程式沒有花多少錢你把這一個可以用的這一個機具這個把它 |
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這個平台你把它用好我跟你講人家有的縣市的人人家就會主動來了那你沒有的縣市我跟你講那他自己要要去承擔他的責任彼此會比較對啊彼此會比較他自己會去承擔所以我會覺得就是說讓台鐵跟高鐵都可以搭這個才對我我們的長輩是一個好處沒有花多花政府一毛錢那只要協調高鐵 |
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我很願意站在委員的立場為長輩來設想讓他們提高他們的活動力所以我們這個朝多元而且靈活運用的方向跟相關的單位來做協調謝謝 |
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對啦,院長我為什麼會特別提這個,其實各縣市政府認真做的,有的進勞卡都可以去搭計程車了,也可以有的可以去租借腳踏車了,有的甚至這個那個什麼運動的中心什麼他都可以開放了,那我們中央政府我們如果基於 |
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關心長者的角度我們主動去把高鐵的這一個驗票的系統我們去補助他一點錢也好讓他去建制這樣我跟你講就會有縣市可以搭了啦之前台鐵一直在講說啊怎樣怎樣我後來我生氣我說你就花一筆錢你把它用好 |
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非常謝謝委員的建議雖然這涉及部分涉及到地方的自治事項跟地方政府的財政規劃但是我想交通部積極來協調這個事情 |
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謝謝兩位委員,謝謝卓院長。報告院會休息10分鐘,休息之後繼續進行質詢,現在休息。 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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發言會現在繼續開會,請蘇委員巧會質詢。謝謝主席,我們請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。 |
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院長好,院長剛剛我們聽了這個張宏祿委員和吳秉瑞委員的聯合質詢了,確實新北的交通問題真的是很多,因為我們需要的建設確確實實是非常的多。其實如果院長 |
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知道其實你對我們新北也是有夠熟那尤其今天部長在這裡更是我們以前臺北縣這個資深的官員嗎那你看新北市的人口呢如果普查起來就有403萬常住人口更是436萬這麼多的人口如果用密度來講的話雙北一起看前五個密集最高的區裡面四個都是我們新北的啊不管是這個 |
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我給院長這邊我用了一張圖來表示你看我去用Google Map他來看的這張圖是星期一早上8點半 |
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的這個雙北的狀況,部長這樣的圖齁,你應該有常常看Google Map吧,應該有看過嘛齁,院長應該也有看過,應該能夠理解紅色的線是什麼意思? |
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我自己在看新北交通問題的時候我是把它舒緩成為是一個這樣的同心圓來讓 |
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大家彼此好溝通。我的同心園理論是這樣,如果是臺北市是第一圈的話,那麼依著剛剛說的人口稠密度以及地理位置的話,我們顯然可以有第一圈,就是板橋、三重、新莊、中友河等等, |
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那還有外面的第二圈那他們的問題其實會都不一樣比如說以靠近台北市的第一圈的話他最需要的就是直接進入台北市的聯絡道路嘛就是跨河進去台北市不管你是用什麼樣的方法反正讓我過了河進到台北市可以上班上學這樣就好可是第二圈的話他就還加上了要如何移動到第一圈才能再往台北市前進 |
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所以第二圈連第一圈的道路對我們來講就非常非常的重要這甚至包括了你在設計快速道路的時候如果能夠有像剛剛秉瑞委員在說的不管是國道一號的交流道也好或者是快速道路的新莊的這種他的閘道能夠增加也好對我們來講其實都是第二圈和第一圈之間能夠再多有 |
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第三類的問題是如果我們能夠把這個第二圈的這個部分就像我現在列的這邊齁是林口、巴黎啊或者是我自己土樹山陰等等這一些地方 |
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﹗ |
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那其實對於不但我們彼此之間的交通可以快速而且對於舒緩前面第一圈的交通流量當然也是大幅減輕這個道理也是非常非常清楚這完全沒有問題吧好那我們就回到實際例子來看我必須在這裡齁我先在這裡啦先在這裡感謝行政院這幾年對我們新北的建設我就以 |
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我自己的選區遭遇的例子也就是公路體系符合今天我要質詢的題目公路體系來講我必須說這兩條交通建設對我們來講非常非常的有效像是台65這個快速道路增設一個福州橋閘道這個地方這個地方全部的預算4.7億全部都是中央出的啊 |
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但同樣一個快速道路就因為增設了這樣一個閘道我每次這樣往返的時間可以少20分鐘以上這個車程是整個地方大家都撐到的部分因為它就有效疏解了我們的第二類問題嘛我們不用再進到進到第一圈裡面我們第二圈自己就可以處理了這就是舒緩好 |
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還有另外環快道路就是剛剛吳秉瑞有人在在的提到這個所謂要通車新北市政府到底有沒有邀請中央的這個部分這一條我們這個環口的快速道路即將通車也是中央政府不但從規劃一直到預算是全部都是中央出的這一條呢更是大大了解決了 |
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我們新莊、樹林、英哥這種外圈的串聯之外當然也疏解了如何進去第一圈進到臺北市這樣的交通問題所以這兩項建設都大獲好評那用這樣的例子我今天既然院長你也完全認同我剛剛的說法我剛剛花了5分鐘的時間在跟你溝通這個而且也實力給你看了 |
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那麼今天我有兩項,是不是請院長這邊可以在備詢臺正式的承諾吼。那第一個就是我們的林口到巴黎的105號這個市道的部分。如果用剛剛的這個同心園來看,其實這條是林口到巴黎之間喔。因為它的山路很崎嶇嘛,其實路況很差。如果這個地方的市道能夠做起來, |
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市政府這邊 |
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應該是也有做了爭取了啦所以我雖然雖然我現在我們收到了陳情我們來一起協助爭取畢竟我是新北市的委員嘛那院這邊是不是可以支持我們這樣的一個計畫如同以前支持其他的計畫一樣 |
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謝謝蘇委員剛剛所提到的我想行政院過去以來到現在不會看地方執政是誰當然建設是一體的國家是大家的對新北市的補助規劃也都相當好也得到大家的肯定也謝謝委員在各地的爭取 |
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剛剛提到105號的道路我們過去在看淡江大橋的時候有約略提到這個部分所以我說有時間我們可以再去看一下到底現場現在到了什麼程度未來需要交通部做一些什麼的努力我們來看看綠條是非常非常的有需要啦 |
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但是因為我們都知道他的公法是比較難一點所以金額也很大我們在這裡期待的是吼我們已經不是第一次關心這也不是在這裡才開始關心嘛就是因為金額大然後所以我們需要的補助多不但需要行政院的核定而且希望補助的金額能夠越多越好所以我在這裡再一次跟行政院爭取我們認為這條是有需要的對新北市是重要的所以我們希望這條行政院能夠盡速核定 |
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這一條確實是可以讓林口新市鎮這一帶包括龜山很多產業他的包括卡車他的包括車輛往西濱往淡江大橋往這個桃園機場的運送他不是只有這一段的消費而他是延伸到整個區塊所以 |
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即便現在錢看起來多,但是我覺得它的效益是無遠弗屆的,所以這條實在要請中央大力支持。所以這不只是一圈一段的問題嘛,這是第一個。第二個是我更熟悉的,也就是剛剛說的台65號快速道路的部分。過去我們爭取的是福州橋閘道,一個閘道的部分。但是眼看著,其實台65它單負的功能其實非常非常的大。 |
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所以現在呢我們在提出另外一段的計畫就是他本來是從板橋開始嘛然後一路延伸到了土城我們現在是不是有機會可以再把它再延展下去甚至到桃園的龍潭也就是變成現在大家希望能夠爭取的板龍快速道路從台65變成板龍我想這一段增加的這一段其實也是舒緩了剛剛我說的第四類的問題就是我們的第二圈能夠跟其他的地方就台北市以外的地方的 |
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先請部長講一下進度 |
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我想現在如果大家行經這個北二高從龍潭一直到中和特別是從大概英哥到中和這一段非常的塞如果這個板農能夠做那讓板橋到這個龍潭這一段有一個第二條這個相關的聯絡的這個快速道路我想對整個疏解北二高這邊的塞車通勤等等的這個 |
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方便性可以增加很多 |
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我們在爭取建設的心情還是是一樣的對新北是好的我們都一樣向行政院爭取相信行政院也會給我們最大的支持跟鼓勵啦所以我們希望有計畫的就趕快核定有補助就給我們最多的是跟委員報告也把這一條列入大細股桃竹廟大細股裡面的重要的一個交通很好預計明年的4月3月到4月就可以提出相關的期中報告 |
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好,非常好。我們希望整個會越快越好。甚至是我在這裡也要求交通部,是不是可以就新北市已經有的,剛剛在說的,不管您剛剛有聽到,不然剛剛聽到我說的幾類的問題嘛。我認為如果還有機會可以增設,增設公路系統,把公路網串接起來的,我都希望能夠再討論,我們來規劃,並且來繼續支持。所以不然如果有在研議中的計畫,我希望能夠我的辦公室可以得到一份這樣的資料。好。 |
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這是關於公路網的部分,但是喔,院長,我也剛也跟你提到了,因為新北市就是繞著臺北市這樣的幾個圈圈,可是那個第一圈來講,它的人口稠密實在是太多了,稠密度太高了,高到其實已經沒有空間可以再蓋新的路,這就是我們的現況。 |
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所以我想來想去真的要解決交通擁捨的問題其實還是必須靠大眾運輸啦好可是你來看喔我們去調查了這些資料來看這幾年新北市的這個公共運輸狀況啊其實反而連疫情前的狀況都還沒有回復到喔 |
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沒有回復到疫情前搭乘的狀況,更不要說越來越好,完全沒有,連疫情前的都還沒有。你看現在111年搭乘公共運輸是有史以來最低的,然後呢用私人運具是最高的。大眾運輸呢公車的運量路線長度6年成長了10%但是搭公車的人數6年萎縮了7% |
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現在的使用公車的人次只有2300多萬。109年的時候還有2500萬。你覺得這是什麼問題啊? |
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我想疫情期間因為大家不鼓勵大家在群聚在一個密閉空間所以那時候的運量包括公車包括捷運也都下跌 |
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現在疫情之後捷運高鐵大概陸續都有回升台鐵也有回升那唯獨公車還是比去年比疫情前大概還是下跌了我覺得作為一個新北市民我坦白講啦我們搭大眾運輸的比例沒有台北市民高就是因為他的路網不夠方便 |
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他沒有像台北市民這樣我可能走出去很大一部分的人走出去沒多久就有公車就有捷運我們其實可能要走很久那還不如騎一台摩托車我算給部長跟院長聽如果是我我樹林喔我們坐火車到台北上班單程票是18元一天36元一個月用25天上班好了那就是900塊可是你的T-pass呢目前是1200塊錢 |
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所以等於是我如果都只能認真上班我沒有出去玩我沒有用到其他的方面其實我買T-pass不會合啦那如果我是三重人我平常是騎我平常是坐公車的好了我平常是坐公車去台北上班三重人到台北公車一段15塊錢嘛 |
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那15塊上下班30塊一個月25天那更是只要750塊啊所以對我們來講TPAS雖然聽起來很不錯但實際換算以後好像沒有說真的很划算 |
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所以又不夠方便不夠離我家近錢好像也沒有多省那我為什麼會選擇大眾運輸呢所以我想來想去我想在這裡很誠摯的建議行政院TPOS有沒有可能設計2.0版本他的起因是為了鼓勵更多人使用大眾運輸系統 |
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院長你怎麼看? |
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謝謝委員,我們昨天在院會曾經對過這個公路客運的系統在一後沒有預期的這樣回復做了一個報告案其中對於公路的路線、票價、人力的短缺以及... |
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好,謝謝蘇委員。下一位請林月琴委員質詢。 |
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主席好,麻煩我們的卓院長。請卓院長備詢。林委員好。院長午安,辛苦了。我來自民間團體也長期關心兒少跟交通安全。今天我先針對於在這個會期裡邊一直想解決的一些問題, |
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先來就教一下我們的院長跟部長那第一個事實上是無照駕駛的問題從這個數據可以看到平均每一年大概7萬人的傷亡那而且他累積比例就累犯比例非常高而且事故件數呢但近5年大概成長22%照試的死亡率高他堪比酒駕更嚴重所以想問的是 |
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除了提高我們的罰款以外,針對其他更有效的管理措施,像扣車和連帶處罰,不知道部裡邊有沒有修法的打算? |
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現在我們確實是對無照駕駛有研擬更進包括提高罰則讓無照駕駛的部分可以得到抑制至於說是不是要有扣車跟連帶處罰就是說跟他同乘的或是說車子借給無照駕駛使用的是不是有連帶的處罰這個部分我們還要再做開會來廣泛徵求各界的意見 |
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我會在這時候提示因為未成年無照駕駛真的死傷非常的嚴重所以希望說當然不是只有未成年事實上成年無照駕駛這個問題 |
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也造成每一年有近千億的社會成本,可能要去考慮。接下來就想也要問的是,針對幼童專用車,目前我們是不安全又沒得選。為什麼不安全?現在只能靠一款車,可是它沒有安全氣囊,沒有任何所謂的主被動安全系統,也沒有碰撞測試。 |
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我不知道也很簡單的請部長回答就是何時能夠讓我們有安全的幼童專用車可以搭乘未來是不是有幼童專用車改善的2.0版的方案 |
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市長 |
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但是碰撞的測試、碰撞的檢驗或者是兒童坐椅的等於是坐椅的安全帶因為過去之前有討論過坐椅安全帶要不要強制設置那有很多的專家是擔心萬一有發生狀況的時候兒童不會自己解開安全帶 |
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所以當時這個部分有被擱置,不過我們會再重啟。對,是,部長,因為每一天事實上是2到6歲的孩子在乘坐幼童專載車,而且現在目前有2000多輛,而且我們國內只有一款車,真的是沒得選。所以我希望能夠2.0版盡快能夠出來,來照顧我們的孩子。就是說在這個40項檢驗之外,那對於碰撞是不是造成傷害,怎麼樣去補強,或是說增加這個檢驗? |
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不過我知道中華德力卡是沒有所謂的事實上的碰撞的,甚至相關的事件,所以我覺得可能還是要去考慮這一塊。可是今天我主要的議題是在於,因為今天這個題目我是背負著公民團體的期待下來進行質詢的,所以也希望能夠我們一起幫幫忙來解決這樣的一個狀況。 |
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首先我要問院長你同不同意現在的交通違規的罰環是政府的提款機?應該不是吧? |
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對我想也是可是臺灣從我們的交通違規被罰到我們的法環的分配的話很常被我們的入權團體嘲笑是一台提款機、永動機為什麼他們這樣講第一我們的道路環境不佳造成違規然後呢造成人民被罰被罰之後我們的法環又沒有用於我們的環境改善然後再度的違規再度的被罰第二我們的法環事實上是用於購買科技的執法設備 |
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並沒有用到道路環境的改善,可是現在科技執法不記點,坐任我們的高風險的駕駛人繼續的危害弱勢用路人,形成了一個惡性循環。 |
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請問一下我們看一下院長跟部長看看這些道路的環境設計的問題是不是一直在陷害我們的用路人這則新聞提到的是騎樓停滿車沒路可走那行人被取締不靠邊走可是我要問的是如何靠邊走已經是沒路可走了 |
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下一則新聞就可以看到之前在文化大學我們的周遭環境因為沒有人行道而他必須貼著路邊走然後呢被撞死的一個便當店的老闆娘 |
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他同樣也是被警察講說怎麼不靠邊走呢可是我一樣要問的是那如何靠邊走就已經沒路可走啦那這些新聞不是特例因為現狀就是我們有很多的弱勢用路人行人跟我們的兒少跟身障者都被迫要與車爭道 |
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所以前一陣子大家在草圍最不祭典的時候我們的職業駕駛人工會都來跟我講說很多時候不是他們不想守法是道路環境太差了先他們也不育那交通路權團體跟我們的身障跟家長族群他們在抱怨也就是政府在放寬祭典制度的時候同時有沒有去考慮到我們交通環境的改善這些配套措施到底在哪邊 |
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那所以就想來問的是,院長這些道路環境的改善問題政府打算怎麼解決,然後要多久的時間,會投入多少的經費預算,有管考的制度嗎? |
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謝謝委員如果委員提到剛剛所說的道路交通違規的罰款其中提撥12%作為交通安全跟這個交通安全跟執法的改善其中有一部分除了優先事項之外地方政府可以用在道路安全路面等等的改善工程那其他當然還要做很多包括這個周遭違規的取締等等這個都要在包括遠景各方面要努力的 |
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我想這一次我們行政院很用心的就是有這樣的一個政策就是我們現在大概四年四百億的確事實上想要去解決我們洗刷我們行人地獄的這樣子的一個惡名 |
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不過這四年四百億這個經費不是長期性的財源也不是穩定性的所以也沒有制度化的法源依據但我們就很擔心說這樣的計畫可能沒有辦法達到我們永續安全的一個目標所以這次會議用這個主題來質詢就是希望院長想透過這個樣的質詢來幫你找到我們的錢藏在哪裡 |
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交通部提供的一個圖表,我們的罰還收入總額年年增加。其中收到最多分配款項的是各地方政府。每一年大概有130億,六都大概10到20億。 |
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﹚議員 |
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院長如果是依照現行規定的話在國道上我們的違規的罰款收入有17%要運用在交通環境的改善那你認為多少的比例的罰款收入就像我們剛剛講給地方政府的多少的比例收入可以放在交通環境改善上比較合情合理這可能要現在看看他現在收來的款項在目前的比例分配之後他執行的狀況如何可以再做進一步的檢討 |
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議員發言人 |
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那現在但是未來我覺得有一個長久的裁員是非常好那其實除了這個罰款裁員之外還有另外一個可以考慮就是現在我們撥給六都都有棄燃費那棄燃費也是專管專用用在道路那如果這兩筆錢都能夠有一定比例是特別是對安全設施的改善我覺得可以讓提升這個部分根據我們的道路交通違規罰款的收入分配跟運用辦法的第三條 |
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本來就明定說我們各縣市的舉發的罰款收入有75%是進到縣市政府的金庫當中可是最特別的就是怎麼運用事實上沒人曉得也沒人過問所以我私底下去問某個縣市的交通局局長問他說你們這樣的經費怎麼用 |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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的確是要至少提拔百分之十二來作為交通執法跟我們的交通安全環境改善。不過可以看到基本上大概就只有四項是在講執法兩項是在講教育我們講交通安全三一的政策裡邊 |
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指法工程跟我們的教育可是這裡邊都沒有提到工程所以也想問兩位知不知道說在國外對於這類的交通罰還的收入到底會怎麼去運用 |
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那日本呢稱為反折金的那個違規的罰款呢他們基本上是按照我們的事故件數人口數跟改善道路的長度依比例來分配地方可是有要求專款專用用於我們的設施設置跟道路環境改善跟地方剛才在執行的說很彈性然後沒設限 |
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在這邊事實上是我們的 |
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道交處罰條例裡邊本來就有講說要有一定的比例來專款專用用在我們的改善道路交通所以想問部長這邊的一定比例的專款專用究竟是在實務執行上有哪一步細則辦法有明定說這一定的比例比例是多少而且要用在我們的改善道路交通 |
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司法部長 |
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﹚部長,因為我剛剛講齁,我們剛剛第三條講的是75%分配到我們的地方政府。 |
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這地方政府裡邊的88%我們是沒有管控的其中的12%如你剛剛講的的確他有講在改善環境可是重點是他的其中的6項優先項目是執法的配備跟教育完全沒有提到道路環境所以這就是我們擔心甚至可不可以也可以講說那88%可不可以明定道路環境的改善而不是讓各地方政府 |
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拜訪議員 |
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所以當然我們就很期待是不是可以這樣來做一個考量因為我知道是這個涉及的有牽扯到地方政府的權限但也不是說我們今天在這邊談了說了就算那所以為求謹慎的話如何去訂定地方政府專用於這種道路環境改善的比例的話 |
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需要中央跟地方一起來充分溝通所以是不是中央可以邀請地方政府來充分溝通或許可以參考一下 |
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我們剛剛提到的國道建設管理基金的比例明定17%至少你的88%裡邊可不可以定一些比例然後在12%裡邊也可以去考慮要求而不是道安的分數扣了就算所以最後就想讓我們的院長和部長在這邊有沒有機會可以承諾這個部分讓華環的收入設定的一定比例不過大家也要問 |
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你們心目中的那個比例到底是多少是不是運用在我們的道路環境當中 |
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謝謝委員的這個建議利益非常好但是我們現在要突破的是財政紀律法第7條政府的收入固定進入一個基金之後他無法專款專用的指定所以我們是不是從剛剛部長所說的在現在的比例之下對於這些優先之應的事項能夠做明確的規範讓他在交通安全的向下真的地方政府考量在裁員的時候優先之用在交通工程的改善 |
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謝謝林委員下一位我們請黃秀芳委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席,我們請院長請院長備詢方委員好 |
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院長好,我想說在今年3月份的時候我質詢陳建仁院長的時候我也特別提到彰化市的兩個重大的建設一個是彰化市的鐵路高架另外一個是台中捷運綠線延伸到彰化這兩個重大的交通建設那我想請教就是說其實這兩個重大的建設在地方甚至在中央也 |
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一直提到現在我從我當議員到現在也將近20年的時間那這20年的時間我看到從地方的規劃中央的規劃一直到現在彰化市的鐵路高架現在是目前是進入到綜合規劃在111年的時候行政院這邊通過這個可行性研究那到這個111年5月27號啟動綜合規劃的作業那到現在 |
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今年3月份的時候我這個質詢我們陳建仁院長的時候那時候有特別提到感覺好像從111年到現在完全都沒有什麼進度那我當時就有特別提到就是說是不是可以每三個月讓本席知道目前這兩個重大建設的進度到底如何那我收到在5月份的時候 |
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交通部這邊也有給我一個這個結論就是說目前在今年3月份的時候就是有召開一個這個協商會議那目前就是這個彰化鐵路高架的基地這個位置可能縣府彰化縣政府跟我們交通部這邊鐵道局可能這個位置 |
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大家是沒有一個共識那我想請教就是說院長跟部長是不是可以來協助讓這個彰化的這個重大建設能夠儘速來啟動那我知道就是說如果這個中央這邊沒有儘速來協助的話我可能可以預測可能經過四年之後可能都還停留在綜合規劃所以我是不是可以請院長或部長來回應一下 |
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委員所說花壇到二水這個高架段張化市的鐵路高架因為張化市的鐵路高架有一個非常重要就是有一個機務段需要遷移 |
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華潭那一段。就是這個鐵道局這邊是希望能夠牽到華潭或二水。那彰化縣政府是希望能夠牽到大渡。所以我們是希望就是當然這個縣府跟這個交通部這邊我們希望當然能夠有一個共識最好。那如果現在完全都沒有一個共識的話是不是我拜託院長這邊可以這邊介入來協助。 |
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交通部已經跟縣政府在協商請交通部報告到目前的進度呢?章化縣政府已經在今年的6月26有一個正式公文他們同意就是採用花壇跟二水結合的這個方案那原則上已經不堅持是把這個機場移到這個大渡區因為坦白說如果設在大渡那我們的主發站是在章化 |
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那他的車輛是有一點違背這個調度的原則,會從北邊要往南到彰化站,從大渡再調到彰化站,然後再從大渡站出發到這個樹林。所以這樣的調度方法是違背鐵路台鐵的這個一般的調度原則。所以他們台鐵還是期待是在二水跟花壇這邊來設相關的調度場。 |
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所以目前為止是縣政府這邊原則同意是在華潭跟二水那後續呢?後續就是要把這個中規在這個原則之下中規來做一個審核那中規如果核定就等於開始啟動設計跟發包的階段那預計還要多久? |
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所以預計是在今年年底綜合規劃的部分可以完成。包括經過國化會的審議還有經過報院的核可。 |
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這是我們期待,部長我真的是期待你上任之後,因為你也是彰化人,所以真的這個對彰化是有一個很大的一個算是重大的建設,而且對彰化的發展真的是影響非常的大。所以你是彰化人,你也是會大人。 |
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另外一個臺中捷運綠線延伸到彰化呢? |
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目前是有條件的通過可行性評估嘛對那後續的部分我是不是可以請這個縣府當然縣府也有一些他們就是說他們已經送這個張東的這個擴大都市計畫嘛那我想請教就是說未來這個可能也需要縣府跟這個交通部這邊一起來合作才有辦法競速來完成 |
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跟委員報告就是當時會先核定可行因為主要這個一直糾結在那裡就是因為張東都市計劃的內容縣府這邊一直都沒有辦法定案那也沒有辦法經過內政部的核准那時候就會到底是都市計劃要先定案還是捷運可行性要先核定那後來院裡面在政府院長的協調下先讓可行性先通過那但是有一個但書就是在中規之前 |
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﹚發言委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
議員議員 |
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協助彰化縣政府能夠儘速把這個需要具備的這些比如說我們的都市計畫也好或者是可能一些資料能夠完備儘速讓這個臺中捷運綠線延伸到彰化能夠儘速來完成那不然其實這一段沒有這個如果資料沒辦法完成或者是都市計畫沒辦法完成的話其實也會影響到整個 |
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臺中捷運綠線延伸北延到大坑的這個整個期程可能也都會有延誤所以我們是不是可以拜託我們的這個院長針對這個延伸到彰化那是不是也要協助我們彰化縣政府這邊來競速來完成 |
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現在謝謝委員因為彰化縣政府要補送資料到內政部的都市審議委員會那都市審議委員會跟內政部會一起協助彰化縣政府來加速完成這樣的工作那我也請委員能夠幫忙跟彰化縣政府說盡量收集地方的意見之後到底要採取區段徵收或者什麼樣的選擇方式趕快來確定之後將他送到都委會來那內政部會加速來安排讓他找到定案 |
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我剛從下午聽了好幾位委員在講說整個不論是鐵路要地下化或者是高架其實我都覺得說我們彰化的這個鐵路高架已經講了將近20年到現在我從我第一屆當立委的時候幾乎只要是院長來備詢的我都會提到我們彰化的鐵路高架跟捷運綠線 |
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所以到現在我都覺得都還在這個綜合規劃當中真的蠻可惜的啦如果可以進速的話其實可以看到整個彰化的一個這個發展應該是會非常迅速因為彰化是六都以外人口最多的地方 |
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全縣有123萬人口,彰化也是中小企業非常多的一個地方,農業也非常的發達。所以我希望就是說,如果透過整個交通運輸網絡能夠更整密,然後更加的快速的話,其實對整個彰化的發展是有很大的一個幫助。所以我再次的拜託院長還有部長, |
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我還要提到整個彰化車站旁邊還有一個扇形車庫。我不知道院長有沒有去過。 |
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我也是每一次這個新的院長在這邊備選的時候我一定要讓院長知道這個全台灣唯一一個扇形車庫也是亞洲唯二的一個扇形車庫那 |
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﹚三、7月5日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。﹚ |
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| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
﹚第11會議 |
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臺鐵公司已經承租3棟,他們要自行維修。那文資局這邊也有補助7000多萬,7836萬的這個經費。那很可惜7836萬就只能整修3棟,那全部有40幾棟欸。 |
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那我是不是可以請求我們院長可以比照我們北部有一個鐵道博物館 |
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這個院長你應該要想到就是說亞洲唯二的這個扇形車庫是多麼的珍貴又是國定古蹟那旁邊如果還有一個這個鐵路宿舍群如果可以整個全部整修起來其實就像我們這個嘉義的這個生活快意村一樣那可以吸引很多的 |
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不論是這個國際的遊客或者是我們臺灣這所有的民眾都可以來看到我們的這個國定古蹟善行車庫旁邊又有一個這個鐵路宿舍群我是不是可以這個麻煩院長回應一下未來這個地方是不是有可能成為我們的鐵道博物館的分館 |
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台北或是其他包括苗栗都有一些鐵路的博物館或園區的規劃我剛剛部長講或是我們去看一下這個扇形的車庫文資的保護已經是國定的古蹟了那政府當然有責任要去做更好的規劃除了保存之外能夠有適度的活用讓他跟民眾接近我們在現場看看能不能做什麼的協助 |
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是好那我是不是跟院長這邊約個時間我們實際到地方去看一下除了看扇形車庫之外我們也要去看旁邊的這個舊的鐵路宿舍群如果整個旁邊可以整個把它活絡起來其實一方面也可以帶動我們彰化的地方的觀光 |
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那又結合我們未來的鐵路高架化其實整個彰化的進步就是在這邊所以在這邊要再次的拜託院長真的針對我們彰化的重大建設這兩項真的要拜託院長真的關注一下能夠盡速讓這兩項的重大工程能夠盡速動工 |
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是,我想跟委員報告,善行車庫確實是彰化的一個寶貝,那也是國定古蹟是很多鐵道迷一定會去朝聖的地方,那也因為這樣所以鐵路高架遇到這個善行車庫就花了很多的困難要去克服,那也是因為這樣所以彰化的鐵路高架會比較複雜, |
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因為為了讓善行車庫可以繼續運作還要多拉一條軌道那這個部分也都放在我們這次的整個規劃高價的規劃案那這個很早之前就有定下來就是說善行車庫他是要保留是要保留而且是活化的不是變成一個就是一個沒有在活用的一個地方他是還是繼續可以做他 |
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委員會也有特別去考察那也有針對我們這個幼兒專用車這個有去考察 |
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那在前陣子在彰化就有這個娃娃車車禍那小朋友就跑出車外那一個是跑出車外一個是這個顱骨嚴重的這個骨折所以我們希望就是說針對這個娃娃車的這個部分就是希望交通部這邊針對這一部分是不是你們要去看一下也要去這個找專家學者來研議 |
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好,針對我們現在說這個娃娃車,這個幼兒的專用車它是沒有安全帶的嘛,那有安全帶跟沒有安全帶它的差別,我們現在坐車一定要用安全帶,可是我們的這個幼兒專用車反而是沒有,那這樣子的話會不會造成,如果萬一碰撞的時候,這個我們的幼童它是拋出車外, |
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﹚主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
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好,謝謝黃委員。謝謝院長。下一位我們請許富奎委員質詢。 |
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謝謝主席。有請我們左院長。請左院長備詢。徐委員好。院長午安。辛苦。院長我想我來自我們的國進之南的屏東。目前在我們所有的區域立委裡面 |
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32771.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
我的選區是最圓服務院也是最遼闊的啦所以針對我們這個屏東的這個交通問題今天要特別來請教請部長跟院長來特別來幫忙我想爭取交通平選一向是我們屏東人的一個心願 |
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未來更是我們在發展經濟跟所謂達到我們賴總統一個區域均衡發展一個很重要的關鍵所以今天希望院長能夠幫屏東人圓夢能夠幫我們來落實這個交通平權的這個議題那我想首先要請教院長關於我們高鐵的部分那2019年我們蘇貞昌前院長正式宣布高鐵南沿屏東那在陳建仁前院長的任內 |
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請院長答覆。 |
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謝謝委員高鐵南北的延伸現在是行政院國家重要的建設之一那其中南部的延伸到屏東從過去到現在一直跟委員所提到有幾條的路廊包括最北邊的到最南邊的那現在最近的這個原則上的決定會採取這個高屏二塊就是左營這個方向這個方案來做未來的路線的規劃但是還是要再跟地方多多的溝通 |
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包括縣政府跟各級民意代表跟地方的人事溝通怎麼樣能夠達到最高的效益這個方案的走向會有怎麼樣到現在可以看得到工程上的困難有沒有有沒有辦法克服它那現在但是原則上是走這個路線在規劃那因為我有跟幾位高雄市的委員在討論這個議題包括跟我們部長也有一直在討論但是因為現在 |
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綠狼的決定會影響到所謂的高頻兩個縣市的一些問題存在嗎?那未來我們怎麼去克服這些的一些問題存在?細節部長再答覆,我們曾經討論過了目前那天之前有宣布的這個高頻二塊的綠狼那目前還有一些技術上的一些問題正在評估跟要設法去克服比如說包括 |
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﹚議員發言 |
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院長我想是這樣子因為我們目前我們的高鐵的機場是設在燕巢那我們的行走員是有一個轉運的一個功能存在但是因為我們會被高鐵這個這兩個點的一個包含車體車站 |
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﹚ |
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| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
院長方案也曾經是在構想的方案當中經過多次的考慮跟討論那現在進一步原則上是剛剛說的比較朝左引方案就是剛剛高屏二塊的方式那院長因為比較偏北邊他沒有進到大家比較密集的地方去所以這個考量過去曾經討論過 |
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顏早在技術上他有一些工程技術上有困難因為他那一代的橋樑是減支樑減支樑的方式所以他沒有辦法去承受側向力如果從顏早那邊要從既有的主線插一條支線那既有的橋樑那一段全部要打掉重做那第二個就是如果從顏早岔出來到屏東高雄會變成支線 |
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以後屏東會變主線那高雄人如果要去假設未來延伸屏東又延伸到台東潮州跟台東之後比如說高雄人要往台東去搭他要先搭到台北台南然後再從台南再搭到屏東這個整個程序上我想會有很大的困擾跟這個執行上的一個問題 |
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這點還是要特別再拜託院長我記得我第一次到立法院來總執行就是針對這個高鐵的議題來提出那當時我們的陳前院長跟我們的王前部長都有允諾是在2029年要完成通車目標可是到目前為止連路廊都還沒有確定我看這個我們實在是很痛苦尤其我像我每天早上要來立法院開會我必須要搭五點多的五點多要出門搭第一班的高鐵 |
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我們很多鄉親、包括我們的公務同仁、這些人都在問我們,立委到底我們的高鐵當時會不會來。我想大家真的是對這個高鐵當年是我們真的最深的一個期待。請部長跟院長我們真的盡快來把這個定案,然後在部長的任內能不能讓他有機會來動工。這個我們一起來努力好不好。 |
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平南快速道路是恆春半島鄉親共和一條救命的道路。4月9日陳前院長正式宣布可行性平坡通過。 |
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那我5月9日我也在立法院正式開了一個協調會那也把我們相關的我們的交通部的相關單位都找來那我們希望能夠加快一個時程那目前之前協調的進度是跟我講說7月的部分這個月要進行一個綜合規劃的發包然後跟著環評一起做那請教部長目前的進度是不是照這樣在進行當中 |
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是目前正在辦理中規跟環評那預計在今年的11月會提出第一份的這個中規的起初報告跟環評那後面就會進行環評的一些程序那路郎都已經確定那現在我想這個 |
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議員講解 |
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施政院院長也有協調說能夠加快施政但是怎麼最近又聽到說等到120年才可以動工有這個訊息嗎? |
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我們目前預估因為中規完成中規要合定之前一定要通過二階環評那這個二階環評一般都要兩年半左右的時間因為他至少要有一年四季的這個環境調查就是新的快速道路都要做二階環評所以目前預估大概整個動工要大概在119年之後 |
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來動工。那1、2、6年左右來完工這樣子。目前這些時間不用拖太久了。現在113年而已還要花6年的時間。我們來設法看怎麼樣包括中規跟環評。是不是我們可以建議說我們建議來分段施工尤其現在是從尤其封港到放寮這一段就是我們回過來。 |
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第三個部分再請教院長 |
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高潔來到屏東也是我們很多鄉親的一個期待那目前高潔紅線南沿到我們的屏東的東港跟林邊預計我們9月底可以將可行性評估送到這個中央來核定那但是因為前陣子有遇到所謂一個高價化跟地下化的一個討論那請教院長跟部長那目前最近的進度是到哪裡 |
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高雄這一統也是高價嗎? |
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高雄它從小港延伸到林園小港延伸林園地下可是它到了林園最後這一段是上來的所以高雄本身的紅線就是高架所以我們延伸屏東也是用高架來接而且是在同一個站來轉乘 |
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那因為現在我們的鄉親之前還是一直期待所謂的一車到底這個部分那當然現在有考慮到我們的運量的一個不一樣的那目前我們有沒有做進一步的調整還是現在就都還是高價接高價就是屏東到臨遠這邊是高價跟臨遠這邊紅線的高價銜接那但是我們的是用輕軌的運量因為事實上這種那是同一個外台跟外車過來沒有 |
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﹚三、7月5日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間 |
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時間的部分可能就是目前如果最近能夠核定可行性那後續就是還有環評等等這個階段我們來設法怎麼樣來加速這樣 |
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是的,好 |
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那另外剛剛我們有幾位委員也特別提到了所謂的一個鐵路高架化的一個部分那最早的時候我在4月份我們辦了交通委員會的考察那目前我們有針對訪寮車站大平台因為這個大平台的有兩個評價到 |
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﹗ |
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﹚議員 |
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市長做什麼的規劃?這個部分我可能還要再進一步了解不過確實潮州發車會造成那一帶的平交道這個起降的這個柵欄起降的頻繁交通上的不便那我是不是再進一步了解我再跟委員做報告也發生了很多起交通事故啦確實今天老人家經過的時候真的都會不小心就會有發生事故 |
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平東之前已經完成一段這個就是從平東到潮州的這個高架也增設了好幾個但是就差這最後一里路這個是最後最後一里路啦這個要拜託院長跟部長再幫忙一下這個我們在現刊來做了解那再跟委員再把結果跟委員報告謝謝 |
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那我想剩下最後一個時間要特別再跟請院長這邊幫忙那我想我們秀了幾張我們的圖片我想我們現在進入老年化的一個社會那從屏東縣政府我們也積極推動所謂一個關懷據點的一個設備那讓這些老人家我們平常可以來這邊 |
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議員﹚ |
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三百二十八處的社區公園據點有兩百二十二處是公有空間一百零六處是私有空間那沒有合適的一個廚房的環境一共有一百七十二處那缺乏無障礙的廁所也有七十九處那所以就是我們有超過八成的據點 |
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議員議員 |
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平東關懷據點的軟硬體建設給予更多的挹注、給予更多的協助,這點請院長來答覆。 |
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主席 |
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好,謝謝徐議員、謝謝院長。400萬是真的不夠啦。好,現在我們請許智傑委員質詢。 |
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主席各位先請大家那個院長站很久了先坐著聽等一下我可能還是有問題再請院長一起回答那我們先請那個數位發展部數位發展部的部長黃部長委員好部長那個 |
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黃仁勳說臺灣是世界AI的起點。黃崇仁說臺灣是世界AI的首都。部長有沒有信心? |
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謝謝那個黃仁勳這些不是有沒有信心完成信心當然可以啊臺灣有很好的基礎建設包括我想要跟部長這邊報告一下也希望說部長可以著手來進行了就是全世界像黃仁勳他們超級電腦的GPU CPU TPU等等的台積電大概就有做了90幾趴全世界的90幾趴 |
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總體電腦的面板呢,全世界臺灣就做了八十幾趴。所以這個在AI方面,臺灣的條件可以算是世界上最好的。那我們的現在的海嵐站,部長可以看一下,院長不知道能不能看得到。我們的海嵐站呢,事實上現在就是分區各地啦。啊這裏就像小組那邊是買頭,啊那些就是我小買頭。 |
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但是你如果沒有一個大的港口容納各個大船或者是各式各樣的船這樣子一個格局可能不夠所以台灣需要有個數位港口我們高雄是海港是空港如果高雄可以再加上數位港我們用現有的條件來把所有的海欄站把他所有的全世界的資訊集中 |
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所以呢我是希望說我們數位部裡面也有任性發展師要如何增加我們全臺灣的數位的任性要如何讓我們臺灣變成世界的AI的首都那這個地方事實上高雄是一個相當適當的地方現在台積電進駐高雄 |
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黃仁勳回答跟鴻海進駐高雄那我高雄有很多很好的條件所以我們來創造一個數位港口部長這個有沒有信心那個報告委員我覺得這個您的idea很好但高雄剛剛講就是除了我們剛剛講有我再跟部長報告一下就是說我們高雄事實上在這個高雄港附近事實上我們找一個海嵐站那海嵐站上來之後呢 |
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其實所有的就像飛機場跟海港一樣他船進進出出飛機進進出出其實還不夠有商業的性質所以他除了海欄站之外呢他希望再做一個交流中心就類似樞紐中心那全世界樞紐中心也在亞洲現在是香港跟新加坡比較強但是香港很快就會沒落新加坡要竄起 |
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這時候我們台灣的位置是世界上整個太平洋島鏈最好的位置所以這個亞洲數位輸入中心定義在高雄我相信我們有這個能力來完成而且我剛提到的不管是台積電不管是晶片不管是GPU不管是面板台灣這些都是全世界最強的所以我們絕對有能力超越新加坡所以我們要把台灣 |
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拜託我們台灣幫他行銷連接到世界。 |
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李部長請備詢 |
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部長好,剛才講到數位港,事實上亞洲新灣區在這幾年來進步很多。港澳公司也成立旅運中心,旅運中心現在全世界的國際郵輪,台灣國際郵輪在什麼時候最興盛,不知道部長知不知道?其實我們郵輪做得最好的就在疫情那幾年。 |
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為什麼疫情那幾年會做最好?因為我們一般的旅遊是Outbound的,坐郵輪Outbound的會比Inbound的多。但是那幾年因為是疫情所以不能出去。所以那時候有很多我們的跳島旅遊。那我也曾經提過就是以郵輪的跳島旅遊台澎金馬,這是一個很好的選擇。 |
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台灣人很多人沒有到過金馬很多人沒有到過馬祖那你如果台風金馬可以用一個郵輪來一個跳島旅遊的話事實上我們本身就有國內的市場 |
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另外就是說你看基隆港跟高雄港的出入事實上差很多。你看那個土也有就是從基隆出發的到那霸到日本長崎等等的。然後從高雄出發有到宮古島那霸等等。那這些都是國際旅遊的動線。那我希望說就是交通部跟港澳公司跟航港局可以重視一下這個郵輪的旅遊。我們看下一張。 |
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現在就是迪士尼他冒險後以新加坡當作母港規劃4到7天的亞洲旅遊事實上類似這樣子的概念之前我們有高雄跟香港雙母港不知道部長知不知道現在又停了因為香港現在其實他就是會decade所以我們對香港當然就是說我們可以考慮就是高雄跟新加坡定為新的雙母港 |
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另外還有一個好玩卡。 |
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部長可能沒有玩過好玩卡沒有買過,院長可能也沒有買過好玩卡院長可能也不知道什麼叫好玩卡在日本大阪呢實際上他一張好玩卡兩天的行程可以玩了四五十個景點只花不到一千塊台幣所以年輕人是這麼玩的年輕人他坐飛機到日本花了差不多一萬多塊兩萬塊的那個旅費然後住宿費一天兩千玩個四天 |
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四千塊買個好玩卡買個兩次他就可以花兩萬塊他就可以在日本玩得很高興 |
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台灣這個好玩卡公關局公關署有在做但是做得還不夠我們高雄市政府現在是算是做得最好的但是也還不夠我們希望說它除了交通的連結之外還能夠連結各個不同的景點把它串聯成好玩卡這樣子才能夠推動觀光我想台灣未來其實就是兩個大的概念高科技產業國跟觀光文化國那包括我們高雄也一樣我們高雄除了AI手資之外我這個Tech高雄是有它的意義的 |
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TECH不只是科技的TECH,T是Technology,E可以是Economy,C是Charming,H是Happy,叫做科技經濟魅力花卉。科技產業國、科技城市帶動城市經濟的發展、國家經濟的發展。魅力當然你是有魅力何勝那麼快要來。 |
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所以其實就是包括觀光經濟、商圈經濟等等的這些庶民經濟可以藉由魅力跟觀光來推動經濟的成長。那也像高科技人才跟一般的人民都有工作可以做。所以科技、經濟、魅力、華麗我想這個方向尤其是交通部觀光是你們最重要的工作。所以郵輪這個希望說能夠再規劃。 |
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台灣PASS的重點是交通的連結,但是台灣PASS沒有景點的連結。 |
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所以台灣PASS這個部分還可以再加強我講的是這個沒有錯那部長就是就台灣PASS再去怎麼樣去增加他的跟景點的連接這樣子的概念好不好這個部長不錯部長很有進度狀況那再來就是剛才那個徐議員也有提到的高鐵藍眼高鐵藍眼從其實我一直覺得從左營直接連接到屏東我會覺得有點痛 |
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以前在毛澤國當交通部長,吳篤立當高雄市長的時候就是眼光不夠,說錢沒夠,所以沒辦法唸到高雄,沒辦法唸到紅山。臺北高鐵有三個核心,臺北車站、板橋車站、南港車站,高雄只有一個核心。 |
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左營車站。事實上你以50年後來思考整個高雄的發展可能會偏重一方。那南高雄的發展可能會受到阻礙。尤其現在亞洲新灣區其實陳局市長任內把亞洲新灣區做得很漂亮。 |
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陳其邁市長任內我們再次亞洲氣溫區的提升還有包括所有的高科技產業的進駐為了這裡是個重鎮如果有高鐵來事實上會更好所以我也希望說交通部可以好好的考慮一下就是高鐵三個核心在我們南台灣在我們高雄也可能有高雄高作營高雄跟鳳山三個核心也希望說部長可以做一下思考 |
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那另外高鐵、台鐵、輕軌這三個都是交通動脈那當然就是輕軌也謝謝交通部跟行政院很幫忙我們這一陣子期賣市場一直在喊事先啟發包括剛剛徐委員提到可不可以接到屏東 |
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﹚發言委員﹚ |
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另外一個就是我們的鐵路地下化跟那個立體化之外,就是說在台鐵車站之前我跟那個劉思煌委員還有李博裕當時還是議員的時候我們都有去開過會,也就是說除了高鐵之外攔指擺木打是一個很大的困擾。我也知道交通部現在叫做評估,也就是說交通部除了攔指擺木打這邊的整體評估之外,台積電那個地方可以設一個台鐵站。 |
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因為你看這個圖這個從捷運你將來如果說沒有台鐵站到台積電的未來到了捷運再轉站一樣會非常的擁擠所以你在那個台鐵這裡就是那個梅花國道旁邊那一條是鐵道鐵道旁邊那個是男子產業園區那邊是台積電那邊做一個台鐵站將來可能從 |
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另外停車問題我現在 |
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這個其實,停全國的前瞻計畫已經用完了,這260億已經用完了。但是停車問題事實上,它會有關於行人友善空間的思考,它還會建立有些違規停車的思考。那這個停車場的辟建是非常的重要,全國很多重要的城市都有這個需要。 |
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那我知道交通部現在已經沒錢了是不是請行政院也可以盡量在這一部分再規劃一點經費讓全國高雄市包括我們鳳山我鳳山車站事實上車站蓋好了將來有正式營運的時候可能不夠所以呢我們也有很多我們鳳山車站吳甲國宅吳甲龍城宮等等的有很多地方這只是一個例子我想整個全國有很多這樣子重要的點都需要再規劃停車的空間這個希望說可以再規劃 |
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最後一個就是我們的機場,機場事實上,高雄機場我覺得一直有提升的空間。我們的松山機場,你可以看這個圖是松山機場二樓,那我們高雄機場的二樓是辦公室。 |
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我們高雄機場沒有那種迎賓的或者是十一住行的一個好的場域的概念就純粹只是交通那其他這部分必須要一起規劃所以我們希望說機場那包括現在高雄機場的改建這個其實速度太慢了你可以看清邁清邁他明年動工2028啟用我們現在高雄機場穿著衣服改衣服半班施工要16年 |
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我可以說機場的問題嗎? |
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先從第一個那個數位港口很重要剛剛黃部長已經說過了已經有這樣的想法我們看看他細部的規劃進程如何那那個高鐵高鐵現在我們剛剛提過他現在是朝向這個左營的方案在進行但是他要跟地方多多的溝通有機會到我們高雄三核心 |
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香港機場的改善跟停車空間這個 |
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謝謝許委員下一位我們請魯明哲委員質詢 |
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好,謝謝副院長。有請我們卓院長。交通部李部長。 |
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院長第一次在這個總質詢相會。謝謝盧委員,謝謝你。盧委員好。那我會特別看到您的經歷其實讓我蠻佩服的。我們都知道這個我們高爾夫球網球網球有大滿貫。我也特別有注意到你在民進黨府院黨的秘書長這個要職上面你可以講說是府院黨大滿貫秘書長。 |
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但是我是對你比較,因為我覺得這是一個蠻好的歷練,但是我是真的希望你不是一黨的大師兄。今天能夠把你這些能夠做秘書長、善於協調、溝通、解決問題的能力,如果帶到國政,帶到建設、重大建設的一個問題的解決的話,我也相信你把這個經理帶過來,你可以做一個很好的行政院院長。你有沒有心情啊?我願意非常的努力。 |
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好 那首先第一個齁 問題我特別注意 每6月8號 |
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在連假的第一天來到了我們行控中心嘛,好,高速公路,特別來關心大家一個交通路問題啊,特別謝謝你。因為你正好談的這一段話,跟我們整個桃園鄉親,甚至桃竹苗鄉親啊,交通上面那個痛,你那天把它講出來了。我也特別注意到,就在這兩個月,4月15號,我們前院長,陳建仁院長,也去視察我們所謂的過去舞陽高架南延, |
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委員會長 |
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那這個部分我想院長部長你們就回來討論有沒有什麼樣的一個方向可不可能縮短因為我們在4月15號聽到我們當時交通部的報告是預計115年開工然後121年完工那我們要先縮短到底有沒有一個目標方向還要怎麼努力來說一下好嗎 |
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好謝謝委員那天是看到背後的monitor那一段路一直是車輛源源不斷在塞住那也跟我們每個人經過那一段的感覺是一樣的所以當場是希望說如果我們能夠有更進一步的規劃騎乘能夠早一天做完這個工程的話那對這個路段的改善絕對是有幫忙的那回來我想交通部有在進行相關的評估 |
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部長我直接來說一下有一個真的能夠可以縮短一下好不好我看到很多工程招標一兩年你這一個跟院長你們好好溝通一下不要每一個工程一定標個一兩年之後好不好我們再加一點這樣的工程主要在延誤我覺得沒有意義到最後搞不好要加的錢更多好不好部長你的看法如何 |
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是,我想怎麼樣核實的去計算公料,核實編列預算,讓它可以順利的招標,這個我們來努力。那它是今年4月就開始啟動設計,那預計11、11、4年底來辦理招標的階段。那我們來核實編列這個預算。那但是騎乘上整個通車,因為有一個最困難的段就是在湖口,它是要做隧道段。 |
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那邊有一個隧道因為避開相關的那個所以在能節省的時間如果不節省的話未來都是很多的意外的狀況啊所以我是當天有聽到我們這個我們的院長這樣的說我們是希望能夠順著把大家跨部會召集起來大家拼嘛你省三個月我省五個月大家省起來遇到一些狀況的時候好處理好那我今天要談的是其實我們這個高價持續做到 |
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這個過新竹到苗栗這個非常非常重要也非常需要那這個剛剛需求大家都理解了可是啊 |
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南來北往南來北往之後我們發覺我們在高架上面在過去舞陽高架其實主要的功能是避開林口跟我們桃園的堵車啦就都都不給你上架那功能就是這樣的對不對當然對但是我們現在在這個桃竹苗你們這段拓寬因為桃竹苗本身就一個生活圈桃竹苗很多的一個功能要整合在我們行政院的計畫有很多要整合 |
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那這一條我覺得一個在我們現在桃園南區最重要從高架的出口交流道是什麼?部長你知道嗎?從高架可以直接下來的,不用從新屋轉到國一平面再出去跟著原有的車流在那邊騎,是哪個交流道你知道嗎? |
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中峰交流道2020年3月份開始質詢 |
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中風交流到那時候南向北向都還沒有做所以我要特別謝謝啦我們事實上交通部也努力了也發包了那只是針對於北向北向就是北邊的車台北車要從中壢下OK我們中壢的車要從這個平面直接上到高架也OK這個部分算是非常非常方便但是因為當時我們本來這個規劃就是全向南 |
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南邊的連結北邊連結都需要所以這個部分我要先請教一下那這個交流道我看我不要再問這個目前預計是115年的大概年初年初就很快就明年後年年初我們至少北邊的連結你們的幫忙在地方從高價直接可以下來的部分會有成果 |
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那我想南向的這個部分要怎麼辦?那我想請跟院長再說一下,因為這是我四年半之前的板子,現在不再拿來了。那我是帶著我們整個桃園南區,包括里長,包括議長,真的很希望我們的中峰交流道能夠全面來做,但是當時你們看到右邊的公文嗎? |
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右邊的公文是寫的這個行政院的公文,蘇院長的公文他說第二期分期因為經費的關係因為往苗栗的高架要擴大一點免得一上去就堵車所以要並由現在所謂的洋投國一拓寬工程一併來辦理 |
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那我想這個部分那請教部長好不好那這個部分我直接給你看一下你們給我的回答你可以照著念好不好就是下面北向工程嘛那南向工程你們的說法是今年會完成可信性評估綜合規劃然後在明年會用力取得工程設計115年施工有沒有辦法做到 |
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如果你115年施工正好是我們羊頭拓寬也是準備開工嘛那其實就搭 有搭上啦 有搭上那這個部分 這個原來的構想就是要跟羊頭一起做就是你剛提的這個南向的這個部分115年要動工嘛他就是跟著羊頭一起來執行 |
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我知道,現在因為羊頭拓寬要動了,你們不能忘了這一條,南向的好不好。然後再來一個部分,我要特別在這裡也拜託院長,因為事實上你們去年提了一個桃竹苗大細股推動的方案,正好這個方案是左眼以桃竹苗, |
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所以在這個方案裡面頭就是桃園然後剛好在交通部提的這個方案那在大西湖方案交通的策略是什麼其中一個最重要就是羊頭拓寬那在這拓寬段要串聯桃竹苗那個頭當然就是中峰北路交流道要讓南邊的貨物能夠從這邊下來不能夠全部都擠到機場交流道那邊進去 |
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所以我想這個部分我就提到這裡請院長跟部長回去了解在經費時程上按照之前公文的承諾能夠多幫忙好不好好謝謝委員提醒剛剛有看到書前院長的公文我回去我們再研究一下公文的內容我們照公文的方式跟精神繼續看能不能做更有效率的運用 |
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另外請問一下院長 |
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我們機場……欸,民航局會不會嚇一跳?機場捷運,機場捷運你有沒有坐過啊?我沒有坐過機場捷運。你沒有坐過機場捷運?哦,你都是坐轎車。因為很少出國。哦,很少出國。哇,那這比較悲情一點。那部長你有沒有坐過機場捷運啊?應該……坐到機場?應該七、八次以上。七、八次啊?對。有沒有去坐到機場過? |
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事實上機場捷運在疫後之後復甦的非常非常快這個部分事實上在好幾次質詢我們行政院也知道只是正好現在團隊因為整個患那就簡單再拿出來說一下 |
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那我要特別拜託因為在剛開始的社聚運能本來是每個小時要載4700多人但是因為實際上不可能擠得跟沙丁魚一樣而且他的班聚後面因為驗收的問題他沒有辦法跑那麼密集所以現在實際的運能大概只有3500人左右 |
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35361.642 |
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那各位包括院長部長你在看啊今年113年他每小時的運量已經到了4793人已經是我們實際運能的大概將近比他多出多出30%左右那如果再往上走你看到未來會碰到T3航廈的落成未來不管是 |
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35377.22 |
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國際旅客來或準備要出國我想這是國門最重要的交通工具這不是地方的一個捷運那這個部分我覺得看到了未來的一個重大需求那我不知道院長有沒有被告知 |
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在我們從3月份我們當時交通委員會當然是跟前部長還有鐵道局局長是一樣的那我們特別有趣到我們地方來去做一個溝通那地方至上希望面臨這種運量大幅提升根本一倍的車都不夠那怎麼辦一定要買新的車沒辦法所以他們原本要的量可能是超過20列那後面經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
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﹗ |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
十輛叫十列抱歉齁十列那其中這個普通車跟那個抱歉一邊是直達車齁直達車普通車總共十列那這個部分有沒有交接啊院長因為這個到時候錢都要跟你要欸因為你知道嗎我們市長已經質詢了一兩年那我就怕沒有交接但是沒有關係不一定要在這裡講啦我們希望把這個問題提出來齁那 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
35448.698 |
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| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
部長,那你說一下好不好,你知道這個情況吧?是,我大致上了解,就是當時有過相關的協議,就是資產移轉的部分跟這個購車的補助,希望兩個能夠是一起討論跟決定。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
這個部分資產移轉跟購車事實上從曾文燦市長的時代就很擔心嘛他說那你就購車也要講清楚現在你們說目前購車你們有提出一個方案當然我認為還沒有公文還沒具體化但我認為這個訊息要交接不能讓我們包括你們鐵道局交通部重新開始比如說二十列車談到了十列幾列直達車幾列普通車已經有個方向了 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
35495.073 |
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35512.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
這個不要再談,要拜託你們來幫忙。那我想...那也跟委員報告。你說。機捷自從去年我們開始推TPAS之後,機捷的運量增加了大概80%,所以TPAS對機捷的運能的提升其實有很大的幫助,也讓他可以轉虧為盈。 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
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好我知道你講這個是就技工一次嘛好不好技工一次但是都一樣就是人很多啦人超多的不管是直搭車普通車這是真的啦好謝謝委員我除了去年有出國的時間之外比較少那季節的問題我想我們我可以再去深入的了解再跟委員做報告好事實上季節因為當時的所謂的運量是真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
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不是這樣因為他忘了有人提了行李還提兩顆的這種實在是不夠那也希望有談的方案能夠持續的談下去但現在又遇到一個問題確實非常重要因為他是國家的重要門面國家的門面不是說桃園而已真的是國家的門面 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
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35582.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
那我要拜託兩位有一個非常重要的事我覺得大家站在這裡就是解決問題如果所有問題都是這種輕鬆如意的也不需要大師兄或是我們前行政院秘書長你們兩位都是秘書長級的正好很多跨部會協調你知道嗎其實這個我們機場捷運的尤其耗資系統機電耗資系統可歌可泣啊有一個很悲慘的一個這個歷史的一個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
35585.54 |
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35594.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
那我想我要講這個原因不是講故事而是告訴你最後發生了什麼事啊第一個在過去大家都知道玩紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
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35618.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
我們早就已經蓋好土木標都已經完成了,站都做好了,車一直不通。而且當時的一個政府不管周遭地方,言了六次宣布明年要通車就絕對沒通,言了六次。那造成很多的一個民怨。那到底是誰惹的禍?原來都是機電耗製系統惹的禍。到底發生了什麼問題呢?因為當時玩紅商社 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
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他覺得他自己能力夠就標了這樣的一個基電系統他本來應該自己做結果他講說我其實我也不會做他就轉給了英維斯公司英國的英維斯公司他會做就請他來那就實下合約就做嘛就做到最後勒糟糕了 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
35639.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
35649.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
各做完之後要跟系統整合產生了非常大的問題系統整合一直出問題造成很多很多缺點一直沒有辦法改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
35651.367 |
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35673.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
院長你應該有聽說過這件事因為你做過秘書長你肯定有聽過這件事因為這個是扯了真的非常久即使106年3月2號終於啊就有些缺點不管了就上了就啟動了開始賽課了到現在為止啊到底有沒有合格驗收啊這個問部長好不好部長到底我們集結有沒有合格驗收完成啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
35676.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
35702.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
我知道當時是完紅他是用這個用這個價格標來承攬這個機場捷運的工程所以後來工程會有一個明令就是價格標確實是會造成第一個沒有辦法找到一個優質的廠商那施工品質也堪慮所以所以後來工程會有明令要求所有的工程一定價格一定的金額以上一定要用評選 |
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35725.999 |
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好了,其實我問題比較簡單啦,到底有沒有合格驗收,沒有啦,後面是減價驗收啦,缺失就沒辦法,沒辦法,你又不能把車還給他,這東西也不能拆還給他,後面是減價,當然有把它的一些的價金,把它沒入,那你應該知道吧。不過以採購法,減價驗收也是合法驗收的一種方式。合法減價驗收,好不好,跟證一下。 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
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35754.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
那為什麼呢?到底差在哪裡?為什麼?因為他到最後機電要做到大家都知道車殼這是骨骼嘛但是真正什麼時候跑什麼時候停安全系統跟營運系統全部都是靠這個機電耗資系統他是靈魂他這個靈魂弄不好所以他當時承諾的不管是行車的速度平均速率跟車距啊幾分鐘可以發一班都做不到好吧那這一套系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
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35779.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
晚紅商社在我們車上裝的血源系統叫做DTGR就是英維斯來自英國血源的一個系統叫做舊的信號系統那現在發生什麼事呢還沒產完啊那現在做到了再剩兩站就到中立火車站你知道嗎那因為我在現場監督啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
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35780.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
發報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
35800.546 |
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35819.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
這兩站一樣土木包早就做好了。最後啊積電標真是很坎坷啊驗收延這麼久就積電標從103年的9月發包到108年的7月8月9月整整5年的時間才發包出去。又是誰惹的禍你知道嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
35820.393 |
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35848.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
又是耗資系統惹的禍都同樣一個人同樣又是他惹的禍為什麼這時候發生什麼事呢招標了15次5年發生什麼事呢發生了因為招標前面從臺北火車站到中壢外面的車外的系統都是玩紅商社的英維斯的DTGR的車機跟外圍的系統所以我要拜託再招標怎麼辦呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
35849.511 |
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35849.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
因為2013年 |
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35874.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
35885.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
因為是公司已經被併購了2014年他們的政策就改變了所以標了12次沒人來啊就這個系統已經沒有人要做了所以又怎麼解決啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
最後到第5年的時候這個鐵道局應該很清楚當時副局長他沒有辦法了只要開放把規格開放任何的訊號廠商都可以來任何訊號廠商都可以來因為他問了全世界知名的訊號廠商公司在臺灣沒有一個可以做這種救的所以好吧任何人都可以來那怎麼辦呢所以所以看一下第二個系統出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
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35932.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
劉彪15次弄了一個新的系統因為英文字太老舌LGMT西門子兩家不同學員不同系統不同東西不同運作的方式兩個東西我簡稱新跟舊那我跟你講 |
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35960.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
因為院長比較少做部長有做過8次那你可能沒有做到總領總領現在不錯總領做到A21的時候還要手動切換一下跟手排車一樣喀喀換成新的系統才能夠向前吐為什麼呢因為車友兩站的車外的系統是西門子的系統那這是全世界唯一應該唯一 |
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一個車有車載兩個系統這就是現在一個情況好那我現在到底我要講什麼問題你們應該也想到那未來呢現在要買車了桃園市政府、捷工局、大東捷運公司蠻開心的然後因為要跟鐵道局、交通部要呈報細部計劃要實際要有報價要規範那當然去尋價那尋價尋到現在的結果是什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
可沒問題。好幾家都會做殼給你。但是靈魂它的耗資系統呢?怎麼辦呢?沒有人要啊。那個院長部長看一下喔。他們3月多到4月甚至發到我們外交部英國駐外辦事處。結果在4月10日德國西門子他回函喔。 |
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回憨說什麼就簡單你自己看一下啦黃色部分他說因為4號的系統啊DTGR由於第三方供貨已停產了好不好第三個如果真列的真夠列車搭載這個系統的解決方案對他們來說不可行就算現在中古的湊給你未來要維修20年我也幹不下去所以這是目前為止 |
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| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
我們在桃園他們要買車遇到了一個問題就是這個問題比剛剛那個中壢的兩站更嚴重因為你裝不到舊的系統從台北火車站開到我們中壢這個舊的系統都沒人跑他這個車也沒有辦法買所以這個根本的問題就完全沒有辦法解決我想這個問部長因為這個問題細一點部長你有沒有聽說過到這個問題 |
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講真的這個問題我初步有了解但是還因為這個太技術性就是說能不能雙系統因為現在有點是在形式上是有有一些列車是有雙系統他到了A21他要切換成西門子的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
所以你不清楚我今天特別代表鐵道局我做簡報 |
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| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
最清楚的簡報給你報告讓你了解鐵道局回去再補充說明現在問題怎麼解決你買了實列車放在A站台北火車站你用鞭子鞭它不會動喔因為裡面沒有裝信號系統沒有裝英維斯的DTG啊它沒有這個系統那你說我裝第二套系統西門澤第二套系統可以你就跑中壢兩站因為只有最後兩站是新的系統 |
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| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
你不可能嘛可是你不買車會變成國門的笑話所以今天我要把這個問題不容易解決但是要直接面對因為當時不知道為什麼我們運氣這麼好這一家英維斯的訊號號誌系統全世界的捷運只賣了兩家一個是台灣的這個季節第二個是英國的維羅利亞縣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
我有聽說維羅里亞縣他也準備其他整合他們系統都要換 |
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不要到最後我們的車開到一半也沒有地方修我們現在講真的舊的舊的車我問過了還有部分的備料我自己覺得可能開個五年五年六年大概還有的修主機板壞了沒辦法我們還可以修不然拿到我們數位部去修也可以我相信應該還是可以修好可是你新車怎麼辦時間這麼緊迫你要怎麼辦 |
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所以我想這個因為我也覺得這不是部長單獨可以去這個解決的好那你看喔兵臨城下囉因為他發文給現在這件事情最有效率的只有我們外交部今天沒有來因為就是我們桃園捷運公司行文解公局行文給這個英國代表處啦英為斯不知道怎麼樣天罡皇帝委員拜託幫我們去查一下只有他當天 |
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這個接到函,三天之後就回函了。就結論是說,不好意思喔,一般商務啊,干我屁事啊,大概是這樣。啊就這樣,求助無門啊。所以今天我們為什麼在那邊講,說好像都不是國家的事,啊拜託幫我們去問一下都不行,就是說這個都沒問題。那右手邊,我們這個部長要特別注意,6月26號,6月26號,因為他們已經弄了將近兩個月,沒辦法求助無門。 |
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連坐車的廠商他們都去問我可以賣你車那我再問我去問一下信號系統因為車載系統要鎖的位置他也要預留這些位置他們也問不到他說停產了所以這個問題現在的問題已經給鐵道局了馬上交通部你要做決定因為這個事情真的不能拖你要買個車真的到位三年五年不見得到得了尤其是你現在只剩兩個選擇 |
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院長我想你協調過這麼多次現在問題點真的就只有兩個選擇都很艱難第一個選擇就是能不能集全國之力找到舊的耗資系統DTGR |
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﹗ |
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那另外第二種方式呢?如果你真的買不到怎麼辦?因為現在都問不到怎麼辦?院長你要不要說一下?如果都買不到,你有沒有什麼初步的想法?我的想法是因為他現在雖然使用零線不到啦,但是安全的考量看有沒有特別的需求,否則就是現在如果買到舊的未來還是問題。況現在要買到舊的可能很麻煩。 |
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可能就是要全線做一個決心。問題講出來,回去研究一下解決之道。部長咧?因為就是說這個廠商停產或是被購併、被併購這個坦白說是屬於不可抗力的因素。因為當時在招標的時候沒有預料到使用的這個系統後來這個廠商會已經不存在或是停產。 |
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所以我想這個部分我們會再跟相關的審計單位來做請示跟考量有沒有辦法因為一般來講是希望能夠用15年的年限 |
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我是覺得長痛不如短痛有很多案子越拖可能要花的錢越多絕對不會越少那現在這個問題問題是我們國門重要的交通真的一天也不能停你也沒有辦法這個車真的有這個需求就算台灣市政府或者大宗捷運公司說不買你還要逼他你這樣不行啊到台灣的旅客都不滿意所以我們會找國內的機電專家大家來一起及時廣譯這個部分第一個舊系統能不能找到或者取代品有沒有影響到專利這解決的第一個方案 |
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第二個方案,那個方案就不換車,應該沒有這個方案,第二個方案就是提前重置嘛,那就沒辦法,那就只有最新的一些系統,那就從這個A1台北火車站到現在的A21,它的車外的系統,車外的系統, |
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拜訪議員 |
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解決這個問題。第二個可以讓新北市已經提了超多次給交通部他有兩個未來的區段徵收區人會住進來A2A |
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因為他要蓋啊沒有訊號系統啊沒有辦法停啊如果可以更新系統他們一併新設站可以解決這個部分因為我認為是行政院級的一個要統合的一個問題是不是能拜託我們卓院長跟我們的部長還有鐵道局能夠深思這個問題在三個月之內你總是要一個方向不然都來不及可以嗎 |
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好,謝謝委員,今天的提醒非常重要好,謝謝盧委員好,謝謝院長陳寅委員之質詢已書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報下一位我們請林倩琦委員質詢 |
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在今天進入有關於交通跟觀光今天這樣一個主題之前呢我想要借禮拜二 |
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我提的一個議題然後過渡到今天有關於就是交通相關的一個議題那禮拜二我提到了那個運動發展部的一個成立那這個部分我提醒院長一下就是在成立的這個過程當中不知道行政院這邊有沒有一個時間表 |
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時間表因為牽扯到中央機關組織法的一個調整所以一定是要在大家有這樣的共識底下我們來提出但是內部就這個組織這個未來的這個部的一個組織的這個規劃我們都已經整併的在進行那我希望能夠先把這個規劃向外界來說明那我預計大概在在8月的時候來做這樣子8、9月的時候看能不能有一個初步的規劃出來 |
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好的謝謝本席這邊也知道你們有幾個規劃的一個跟大眾來做溝通的一個規劃設計那所以在這個部分我提出一個建議建議在明年的這個預算年度也就是明年在我們立法院的第四個會期那這邊能夠有很具體的一個結果那這樣在設立的一個期程上賴總統的政見是比較有機會完成的那這是本席的一個建議不曉得院長您的看法 |
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我們朝這個目標跟時間來努力好的謝謝那從這個一個議題那我要先提醒一下有關於今天我們這個主要的議題在最近關於這個大家應該前幾天知道在新竹的這個新岳的這個沙灘這邊發生了一個有關於高中生戲水的一個狀況那在昨天的兩個人失聯 |
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關於海灘管理﹚ |
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行政院在整個的海岸的這個安全上有沒有什麼樣一個想法規劃讓大家在整個暑假能夠安全無虞這個西邊啊海邊啊經常在這個暑假發生這樣的遺憾的事情那我想地方政府也要跟中央政府一起合作是不是有充足的人力或是明顯的告示那麼以及在現場場地的維護等等這個都需要互相的來協助跟努力的 |
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謝謝院長您講到一個重點那本席這邊有一個建議本席看到這樣一個問題其實很重要一點就您剛才也有講到有沒有充足的人力那所以暑假快到了這個其實跟教育有很大的一個關係也就是說在我們剛才講的這個體育署 |
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那目前的一個在海岸的這個人力是不是足夠?現在可能在這個游泳池有很多的一個救援的人力那但是在沙灘海岸那這個跟觀光署有比較大的一個關係或是交通部很大一個關係你們在其實海岸的安全還有路上的安全其實有相關的這個單位去做處理那當然跟縣市政府要一起來共同的守護那這個部分不知道交通部現在對於這個暑假目前的一個規劃 |
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我想我們會針對這些有民眾常遊棄的地方那跟地方政府大家來再做一次安全措施或是相關的安全的這個部分的這個評估跟跟這個維護的這個進一步的措施 |
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謝謝部長,所以我這邊特別提醒,現在暑假已經開始了,所以可能在現在就趕快先來,就這個部分,就是院裡面還有跟地方政府,那是不是交通部這邊來做一個主導,針對海岸的觀光,海岸的汐水,在暑假讓大家能夠有一個安全的暑期生活,好不好? |
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本席本席會這樣講是因為本席其實經常都在海岸這是本席那我是經常都在海上開帆船的所以對於海域的這個狀況本席略有所知所以剛才院長所提的這個人 |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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更積極的一些未來所以在這樣的提醒之下我今天一個主題是要對於這個無動力相關的一個議題來跟院長這邊做一個交流所以接下來一張我們請看一下這個我們知道現在大家交通部其實現在一直在推環島那無動力的這個自行車那本席這邊是要提醒是待會會給你們看幾個案例所以這個部分是說用生命的環島那大卡車 |
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現在請看目前動的 |
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這應該是我們不好意思上面也是本席本席在2021年在2021年那參加了這個100公里的這個自行車的挑戰那這個是本席所騎的每一段那不知道那個院長這邊有沒有看得出來其實在陸服的部分有很嚴重的這個衝擊也就是說基本上腳踏車很多時候是沒有地方可以騎的那我們接下來看下面一個這個是2024年那本席在過年的時候 |
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也要親自再看一下我們的這個道路那不知道院長有沒有看出問題這邊有一個騎士騎自行車的那不曉得你有沒有發現他的周遭是什麼樣的狀況 |
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大車的環圍繞當中是的大車就圍繞他那本席在全島這樣這不只參加過這一次那個200公里的也有挑戰過那本席就發現其實自行車的這個環境很不友善不僅是在市區那尤其是在這些部落原鄉還有這個台灣的公路都是一個很大的問題那我們再來看更可怕更危險的這個 |
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接下來所看到的這個圖這個是在花蓮清水段來跟東澳南澳的這個路段那這已經是04、03之前的一個狀況了那04、03之後我們知道更辛苦了那過去還有人在騎現在可能很難騎那未來不知道怎麼騎那這個可能是交通部必須要去正視的一個問題 |
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其實我們對自行車也都非常的愛好所以非常認同這句話就臺灣其實很美麗 |
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現在我們有幾個計畫正在進行首先就是目前北海岸跟東北角除了河濱公園的自行車道是可以從淡水一直到河濱公園這是有被保護的車道可是本席還有參加一些比賽的時候事實上它不可能在比如說觀光局的這樣相關的這個場域裡面所以目前這個計畫裡面包括要從淡水做到基隆 |
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﹚二、 |
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西濱其實現在已經從桃園到新竹甚至到苗栗都已經有專用道有一些道路是沒有連起來的本席在這邊做一些提醒那現在公路局正在處理這個部分他會配合西濱的一些改善把從巴黎巴黎的這個海港海岸這邊一直到苗栗都會有一個專用道來把它串聯 |
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好的,但本席樂見這樣子的一個規劃,那也期待在規劃的時候能夠更細緻。那這個也在這個57億裡面會來達成。那剛剛提到最嚴重的就是蘇花。對對對,那這一段我想可能這個交通部要結合路政司、觀光署還有相關的這個運營所此類等等。那這些單位其實要就不同的這種用路的這個方式來做相關的規劃。 |
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那還有我們現在在做的花東景觀景觀快速景觀道路花東景觀道路兩旁都有留相關的自行車騎乘或者是人行的空間是那這邊我要跟部長提醒的就是說自行車還有人行其實在部落這個進入部落這個部分其實也是應該做一些相關的規劃那我們先談那個安全的問題那所以呢接下來給那個部長 |
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議員長報告施政院院長報告 |
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接下來本席要談一個概念有關於這個 |
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本席其實在上個會期也有談那這個會期再重新談一下然後目前先用這樣一個計畫跟名稱來講也就是一個福爾摩沙的徒步入網那我們知道交通部目前在自行車的這個部分也就是無動力啦也做了一些規劃那但是呢在徒步的這個部分有的時候不太友善那有的時候不太完備所以本席這邊提出可不可以透過目前已有的環島一號線然後跟台灣的長步道 |
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那部長知不知道國家綠道有哪三條?國家級綠道原來規劃是七條。目前有三條嗎?現在有三條比較受歡迎。你有走過嗎?有部分有走過。你們部分走過?那本席走過一條啦。整整一條待會跟您分享。其中有一條是我在台南做的。就是山海關那一條嗎?對,山海郡。那有一個是張之隙道。那北邊就是淡南古道。 |
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所以在這個部落跟村落之間的連結本期期待這個交通部能夠讓他更完備所以接下來第一個還是安全的問題這個是一個YouTuber叫Ava那他在走路的時候經常是沒地方走的自行車都沒地方走更何況人 |
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安全性的問題部落間動態的部分因為setting的關係不好意思請院長再彎一下頭看部落常常是車子也行部落的老人的賓士 |
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接下來本席跟您分享一下這個概念來自於本席其實這幾年經常在國外走 |
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37313.341 |
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那剛才我聽到盧委員在問你們機場捷運有沒有常搭那本席也是常搭那不僅常搭本席也不太喜歡老是開車所以各位我們在2017年2018年疫情前經常都在走動那世界文化遺產的這個聖亞各路本席已經走過了4條走過4次 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
37314.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
37316.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
這樣一個概念其實就跟本席剛才所講的這個路網 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
37329.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
37330.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
您講的7條國家綠道 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
37356.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
37357.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
我要對委員表示非常的敬佩你不僅這個文武雙全還是海陸健將怎麼出那麼多地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
37382.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
37398.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
國家未來的國家及綠道除了剛剛部長講的4條以外未來我們在台塘還有原住民古道還有吉良山脈這3條規劃中的那國發會我會請他學習委員剛剛講的那樣的精神跟規劃盡量以人安全為本的方式來做規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
37399.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
37418.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
最後一個提醒也就是其實我們走過這些道路然後不僅是水路還是道路能夠留下一些痕跡應該是我們人生很期待的一個事情所以大家可以去參考部裡面其實以前做過這個蓋章或者是每個地方跟地方的產業做一些聯動那這個部分其實是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
37419.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
37434.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
有更大的一個效果。那談到這邊最後要做一個危險性的提醒。也就是部落的這個邊坡問題。那本席的研究室有跟這個交通部這邊來做了一個討論。那就發現目前部落的這個邊坡其實沒有做相關的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
37434.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
37459.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
﹚檢視 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
37481.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
37486.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
好,謝謝林委員。謝謝左院長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
37487.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
37508.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
李坤哲委員之質詢以書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報。報告院會本日排定質詢的委員均與質詢均與詢答完畢。謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長列席答詢。七月九日星期二上午9時繼續開會進行交通組織質詢。現在休息。 |