| IVOD_ID |
160696 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160696 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-25T16:05:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-25T16:21:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b161887eae65c392954ee6785dcdf04cfbec180d4fb51a0656cfaaac0f22eeb289e2bfcd57ebc68f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃建賓 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:05:39 - 16:21:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、4月25日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、4月29日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝 韓院長有請卓永泰卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢方委員好 |
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院長好 院長雖然最近因為全台大半面的行為讓我們整個台灣社會非常的動盪但本期希望我們在利用立法院總時群這麼寶貴的時間能夠跟院長您一起來針對我們台東鄉親所關心的一些議題來做討論那想辦法解決台東現在面臨的一些困境我想這才是人民想要 |
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看到的那因此本席先向院長您表達善意那上個會期總質詢本席跟你反映過許多台東的一些災後重建的問題那後來也爭取到了我們這個台東旅宿業的這個電價動漲 |
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還有我們台東農損的全品項的補助後來院長也親自到台東來勘栽我想這樣的互動是非常理想的這樣的地方的聲音能夠被中央來聽見然後共同促進我們地方的建設我想希望在今天的總質詢當中的過程裡面這樣的良性互動我們可以持續的保持下去那在今天總質詢一開始本席想要請教院長院長你有沒有去過台東的海岸線旅遊 |
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台東的海岸線有去過比較印象深刻的一些景點反正就是跟西部不同的非常漂亮而且一望無際的海洋很舒服這樣喔我都以為台東好像是另外一個國度一樣是非常舒服的地方院長我們很多到台東的感受都一樣那現在跟院長介紹另外一個景點來院長知道這個景點在哪裡嗎 |
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這是渡蘭灣 渡蘭灣後面那座山就是我們原住民族群的聖山 叫渡蘭山台東海岸其實就配合在山海交錯之間台東海岸線可以說是全台灣最美的海岸線那更是台灣面對太平洋的第一線那不過最近有一個風力發電的業者想要在台東 |
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從長濱成功然後大武達人太馬里這個海岸線要來設置將近60座的這個大型的風力發電機那目前這一項陸域風電計畫已經在環境部的網上公告那院長可以想像一下這水的海上這麼漂亮的海岸線如果插滿了大型的風力發電機會是什麼樣子 |
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我想除了台東鄉親沒有辦法接受家園被破壞以外相信國內外的旅客也不希望看到東部海岸線會變成這樣學長院長講的到那個地方很美麗就像到另外一個國度一樣那 |
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我們再從這個資料看到這個業者的規劃這個風機的位置他可能會影響到當地的生態甚至我們原住民部落的一些文化還有可能因為他的設計地點靠近這個學校附近那個低頻的噪音跟那個輻射波恐怕會對我們台東的這些孩子還有當地居民造成影響那對於整個台東海岸線的這個風電的開發案本席跟台東縣縣政府都已經明確的表態堅決不同意 |
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沒有經過共識的這個封店開發案來破壞我們台東的環境那許多鄉鎮長民意代表也都紛紛的表態來反對還有鄉親他們自己發起這個藏兵反封店自救會那代表台東的民意非常的明確 |
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我們不同意沒有經過共識的這個風電會毀了我們台東那本席為了阻止這件事情除了找環境部、經濟部來開會外也當面跟我們經濟部郭部長還有海委會的管組委來質詢部長跟組委也都表態也都表態說他不同意相關的開發案來破案台東的海岸線 |
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那為什麼本席要不斷地在立法院要求中央部會首長來公開表態就是因為許多的綠能開發案的背後在缺乏溝通下你就貿然的推進除了破壞環境影響我們民眾的生活它背後可能還會牽扯更龐大的一些利益 |
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那本席在這邊要強調,如果任何人想要藉由風電在台東掏金,結果是破壞台東的環境我會堅決的反對到底,台東人也不會同意在這邊我要跟院長說的是說,雖然中央主管機關也都初步跟本席答應不同意開發但是目前業者他並還沒有放棄 |
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那根據我們現在中央法規裡面風電開發案的主責機關就是經濟部跟環境部那開發許可是由經濟部核發那環境部負責我們環品的審核因此本席想要向我們請卓永台卓院長來表態 |
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身為中央行政單位的最高首長那是否願意要求我們各部會若風電的開發案持續在台東的海岸線來進行我們中央部會務必要克盡審核的職責聽盡我們地方的聲音阻止未經同意的風電開發案來破壞台東的海岸線院長 |
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經濟部先談一下現在的程序我再來做決定院長本協議是說如果有這樣子院長你可以承諾更不會要嚴格的要求來審查這件事情 |
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嚴格審查是必定的我想先進一步簡單答覆現在程序怎麼進行跟委員報告那這個案子事實上要先經過地方政府的同意然後再經過這個環評的程序那我想如果地方也不支持那環評的過程可能也牽涉到敏感地區的話我想我們也都不會支持 |
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謝謝市長的答覆市長其實本席跟縣長都已經公開的表示但是業者因為還在進行所以為什麼為什麼本席會再強調這件事因為去年其實就有個案例那時候國防部在沒有跟當地居民妥善的溝通下就打算在關山設置戰備跑道 |
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院長肯定有這件事情嘛那這個站不下去之後破壞大規模的糧田那本席在本席持續的反應還有跟老縣長還有官山鎮長帶著鄉親北上來立法院抗議的時候這件事情就阻止這個政策所以本席要非常嚴肅的向中央來表達 |
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那中央未來整個風電的開發或是綠能的開發的時候絕對要尊重地方的意見那要跟我們地方妥善來溝通我們絕對不能打著綠電之名卻在行破壞之時我想你知道我也要很負責任跟所有台東鄉講只要黃建民還在立法院的一天我絕對會盡全力的阻止未經共識的風電開發案我們要保護 我絕對保護台東的環境 |
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那接下來本席要持續針對台東的經濟民生議題來跟國民中央來反映那我請你們農業部長那我們請農業部長 |
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收到我們極端氣候的影響去年大概連續幾個強台侵襲台灣根據我們農業部的統計報告去年下半年度三個強台造成全台灣的農損約是52億元其中光是康瑞台風台東縣的農損就高達7億8千萬可以說是全國最嚴重的地區我想不僅如此 |
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那今年受到一些低溫連續低溫的影響很多的農作物都出現這個授粉不佳結果綠差的情況那恐怕今年的產量都會銳減那先前本席在縣政府共同的努力申請下農業部也已經公告台東改良這個改良種植芒果的這個天然災害救助辦法已經出來那本席在這邊要先給我們農業部肯定那在這邊也要繼續的跟我們農業部來反映 |
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那台東的酪梨其實也跟芒果一樣遇到相同的情況就是結果率不佳 |
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那本席也多次的跟農友去會勘那也跟我們農業部開過會我們希望盡快的能夠提供我們農友來協助那昨天我們看到農業部已經在公告屏東縣已經被合列為酪梨災害的救助地區那我想要請教我們陳部長那關於台東酪梨的災害的救助進度目前是怎麼樣那是否願意來盡速來協助我們台東縣的這些酪農 |
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跟委員報告就是有關於酪梨的部分特別是包括酪梨、芒果、荔枝、龍眼還有芒果的部分大概屏東是因為花期最早所以在判定的時候通常是最早 |
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那我所了解在酪梨的部分其實我們台東區農業改良廠還有我們的分署已經在那邊看了好幾次而且隨時在關心那因為開花的過程中受到低溫的影響它有一些可能還要需要一些時間來斷定它是不是會生理落果或是其他的所以預計大概在五月初的時候是可以達到一個比較適當的判斷時間 |
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是,謝謝部長明確答覆,部長其實本市昨天才剛跟,這張照片是昨天才去田裡面看的齁,那個,那整個花都沒掉花啦,那都光禿禿的,這個時候應該是酪梨農在包酪梨的時候了,教育工界時候應該都結架啦,結架,一條都沒有,所以這個情況非常嚴重齁, |
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那本席要強調其實很多人都認為台東是私家其實台東的酪梨產業是全台灣第三大的產區那我想中央這個部分絕對不能忽視也不能因為再次提醒不能因為縣市不同就給予差別我想我們在針對天然災害的一個看待的不會因為不同的縣市也不會因為不同的政黨的執政而有改變 |
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謝謝部長 本期就是等部長這句話我先替台東的農民謝謝部長那也希望他會盡快的趕快來協助因為他一年就這次的收成今年就看金門 金門如果沒得 今年都白做工要重新再一次 |
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那另外針對我們中央的天然災害的救助流程本席也希望能夠不必要重數重減這是我們希望做到的事情這樣才能夠真正幫到農民我們農業部有推出這個農產業天然災害限地拍照的這個APP那其實有很多農民他年齡其實偏大他根本沒要輸用 |
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其實我甚至有聽到有些鄉親為了幫助一些長輩去田裡面拍照然後在上船的過程不小心摔斷腿這真的讓我們都覺得有點心疼特別是其實農民在後都急著要復耕那許多農民朋友都有跟我們反映說其實救助金發放的時間真的太久了那另外就是每一個鄉鎮的那個查核人員的標準不太一樣也會造成許多的爭議 |
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那因此為了想減少我們農民的這個不便跟危險那我想也要減輕我們基層工人員的這個工作的負擔本市在這邊提出具體的建議希望農業部在災損的認定上能夠更善用我們的科技那可以跟我們內政部這個國土測量測惠中心跨部會合作因為我們現在有那個衛星的光譜遙測 |
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來協助判定說我們受災的面積大概是多少能夠加速認定還有提報救助的流程讓我們的這個受損的情況能夠真正達到重塑重寬的方式那也要減輕那至於我們後續的這個集合的制度我想也可以來跨部會來開會那最重要就是說避免農民蠟燭兩頭燒亂你一邊又要恢復農地一方面又要趕快報災情 |
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那我想是不是部長以後我們是不是可以研擬用這樣的方式這樣的技術納入後續我們在勘災還有救助認定的過程能夠讓更方便我簡單的跟委員報告就是我們也了解地方在勘災的時候的一個人力的一個負擔所以我們在天然災救助的辦法裡面其實已經很明確的針對直接看天氣的參數就直接判定那是最快的 |
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那這個部分我想我們會陸續根據我們的實驗單位提供的數據陸續的去公告這樣的方式那第二個部分就是您剛才所說的利用那個衛星的技術以酪梨來講他看不出來因為從上面看下去的時候酪梨的酪果有沒有 |
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或是酪梨的結果是看不到的所以有一些我們用衛星的這些技術航拍的部分特別是因為農業部自己有在航遙社分所有飛機可以去做飛所以我們每一次天災的時候都用航遙社的飛機去飛了以後做證據的保全就是萬一有一些爭議的時候可以協助農民來做一些舉證的部分這個部分我想我們會來做 |
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謝謝部長部長我想這個會後是不是在一週內相關的資訊能夠到本席辦公室我們共同來協助我們台東的農民台東的產業就很單純觀光跟農業這個也是相對都是比較這樣農民又是相對弱勢這點我們之後來加油感謝部長那最後我想 |
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在利用最後的一個時間我把握這個時間來跟院長質詢最近台東也很關心的一個議題這跟台東的經濟息息相關那最近根據我們台鐵票價調整方案台北台東的來回滯銷號要漲超過300塊那對台東人來講 |
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票價跟西部一樣可是其實交通品質是有嚴重的落差這非常不公平喔那尤其台東的東部人的路上大多大概就是靠鐵路那不像西部你還有高鐵、客運、高速公路啊那目前台東都還沒有從0403強鎮以及強台中來恢復觀光也受到很嚴重的衝擊 |
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那現在中央調漲票價對東部來講是雪上加霜那本市已經多次要求中央必須研擬花東居民的這個票價優惠方案也當面質詢過我們國發委主委跟我們交通部部長希望可以透過花東基金用專款專用的方式來協助補貼我們花東居民的票價主委跟部長也都表示這是可以做的方向 |
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那這兩天我看到台鐵代理董事長那有初步的回應將依據我們行政院指示規劃將涉及在花東的民眾提供比會員制更優惠的票價方案最快在6月23號跟票價調整同步上路那本席想要請教院長那這個方案什麼時候可以出入因為台鐵30年沒有調整票價我們必須支持他調整但是對於花東地區我們已經在 |
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好 謝謝黃建斌委員質詢 謝謝卓院長農業部備詢 謝謝接下來我們請 |