| IVOD_ID |
160686 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160686 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-25T10:50:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-25T11:06:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b161887eae65c392f7e26c26009f7b53fbec180d4fb51a06734e47bd71ec006352fbb683eb77f5d55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:50:38 - 11:06:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、4月25日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、4月29日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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想請卓院長經濟部麻煩再請卓院長經濟部備詢國發會國發會備詢方偉豪 |
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院長早兩位首長早我想今天很重要一件事情我想跟院長問一下這幾天應該從四月初到現在台灣跟全世界都經歷了川普重拳那目前為止還在九十天的所謂的緩衝期川普的目標很清楚就是要求全世界選邊站台灣在這個位置裡面好像選擇也不多院長你認為呢 |
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我們是跟世界的民主有門國家一直保持互相信任可戴的關係但是現在川普的重權他是不管民不民主啦只要是跟他好朋友也一樣無一倖免現在的問題就在於已經不是價值的問題而是價格的問題這個價格的問題我現在只想說我們的選擇不多我們得到什麼跟失去什麼才是我們今天要思考的所以院長 |
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川普要幫美國人賺全世界的錢中華民國政府一樣要幫台灣的廠商賺全世界的錢 |
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這是我們應該做的對吧是好所以接下去的談判何時談判如何談判會是重中之重包括我們現有產業的影響包括我們接下去怎麼跟美國在這樣完全不對的情況下怎麼樣自處我們現在看到他有幾個東西看得大家都心驚肉跳不過這對全世界不是只有對台灣第一個他們經濟顧問說了 |
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第一不能報復這個台灣做到了開放市場停止不公平貿易現在也在談第三個是要增加國防預算購買武器這個台灣已經做很多但是看起來好像他們要更多那另外就是加碼投資在美設廠這個台積電也做到了唯一我們還沒有做的大概就是向美國財政部捐款院長這五樣我們做到了四樣你覺得夠了嗎 |
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我們可以在這談判上面得到什麼好處或者是可以少損失一點嗎像外國政府捐款這件事情大概不會是我們考量的增加國防預算不論是採購或是投資或是國防預算增加都會依照我國財政的能力跟我國內的需求還有經過國內的預算審查制度吧 |
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昨天我看到你的4100億裡面說有1500億做所謂的國土安全裡面有沒有包括國防預算增加採購的部分看起來你昨天說不一定是向美國買那這樣的話有幫到你這個談判嗎 |
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所以你的1500億包不包括這一條我們昨天通過的這個是因應國際情勢強化經濟社會國土安全所以院長在我們今年還會看到你有另外一筆特別預算來增加國防預算符合所謂賴清德總統說的達到3%的標準嗎 |
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所以還會有另外一包嗎國防預算通常它的金額跟這個執行的年限都比較長那國防部現在是否已經有這樣的也要跟對方跟多方去交涉之後還有我們的需求不是買一些我們不需要的東西不是只是為了應付所謂的關稅這是院長今天要在這裡承諾的買的東西要符合台灣的需求不是為了採購而採購第二個部分就是它的八大關稅壁壘 |
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我那天為了財政部大概裡面有五大三大我們會中標第一個我們可能會被說是貨幣匯率操控第二個是具有關稅或出口補貼的加值型約稅這個可能是我們的貨物稅另外就是我們現在你現在昨天通過的五百九百三十億裡面有很多的所謂四項出口補貼政府補助最後一個是稀產地 |
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這八項我們中了這四項院長該怎麼辦我們在930億的支持產業當中我們的重點在於幫助產業研發轉型開發它會不會變成這個貿易壁壘它會不會變成美國要求我們退縮的它會不會變成把你的補貼變成他們要求我們對等關稅的 |
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有機會的時候當然會詳細的說明我們的用意在於幫助廠商做內部的要說清楚第二個這個不可以稱這個補貼是政府對於我們國內企業最重要的一個現在叫做救命丸如果在因為這樣子被拉成所謂的關稅壁壘的話他可能會要求我們取消補貼那你今天的這個931不是廢紙嗎 |
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非常謝謝委員的提醒這一點也是我們在現在有機會跟對方在談判過程當中必須說明的也就是說談判我們知道要談判我們知道我們會損失東西但我們要知道我們損失了什麼第二個我們現在所做的政策不能跟我們要做的目的相違背也不能被人家拿來當成藉口 |
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好 接下去是 我覺得這個比較嚴重其實在UST啊 它每一年都會說台灣跟美國的貿易障礙有哪些裡面很清楚的 每一年都講的就是這些第一 美豬美牛好 檢驗標準太嚴了第二個 我們禁止特定美國牛的產品因為有狂牛症第三個 因為美國稻米有進口配額第四個 馬鈴薯發芽的話我們要求整櫃退運第五個 基改食物 |
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進口歧視而且不得作為營養午餐第五個當然是第六個是智慧財產權第七個是禁止外資投資尤其是化工電力電視廣播跟郵政院長 |
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這次美國談判這個已經是我們長期以來的所謂的貿易壁壘很清楚而且很具體現在問題大部分是農業大部分是食安院長這個部分如果美國有一定要求我們會不會在這上面鬆手或放水我們的原則是國人的食品安全健康基改食品不可以作為營養午餐這件事情不可以放水我們原則就是 |
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健康食品安全當作我們的優先也要重視到我們消費市場的習慣但是如果說有國際的標準跟可以科學的驗證可以拿來討論但是我們不會放棄我們的原則這裡面大部分是農業大部分是食安這個東西是人民的安全不可以在關稅上面有所收手尤其是捍衛中華民國人民的安全是政府的責任關稅他每天叫我們 |
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開放這個開放那個這個堅持了這麼多年一定有道理的所以我只向院長在這邊承諾這些貿易壁壘是他們的理由也是我們多年的堅持我希望院長可以繼續堅持至少維護國人安全這個原則不可以變可以嗎 |
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原則我們會堅持就是有國際的標準我們可以拿來討論談判的過程當中如何去做雙方各自有利的工具但是這個已經很具體我只要求說這些東西已經堅持了這麼多年就不要再拿出來或者是有任何讓步院長我現在要的是我們要很清楚知道我們會失去什麼我們會得到什麼我現在看起來這些可能都是我們即將會被面臨挑戰的東西 |
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接下去我想問一下我上次在財政委員會問的不清不楚我們雖然4月開始就發生這件事情你們4月11號也完成了視訊會議是嗎是的接下去4月11號以後有什麼新的進展嗎一直有雙方的聯繫一直有在聯繫那我今天早上又看到川普昨天又說了兩個到三週如果沒有協議的話他又要開始採取行動反正我們每天就是被這樣子威脅來威脅去現在 |
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21世紀台美貿易協定的後續協商有在進行嗎有在協商嗎我上次問了我們的貿易代表說這個是拜登的政策所以拜登政府下台以後川普政府上任之後其實沒有進展 |
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現在是在第二階段的狀態中第二階段是我們國內嘛在面對這個我們國內在處理嘛對第二階段但是問題是有沒有任何21世紀所謂我們的貿易協定的談判有任何的接觸或進展沒有真的這段時間是沒有實際上的進展其實川普上任就沒有啦最後一個問題就是對於川普這些問題其實我們一直在想說難道他對美國人美國人不兵荒馬亂嗎 |
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後來發現外電很多報導是說美國企業早在川普可能當選的情況下就已經做好營運了我想問一下台灣政府什麼時候開始營運可能的專稅站 |
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我們在去年成立經濟發展委員會之後我們在去年的十月就成立了經濟外交工作小組十一月也成立了台美經貿專案小組就是在因應這些事情所以我們應該是很早就發現有這個狀況其實我們在立法院也都知道一月以後一定是川普向全世界發動關稅戰然後四月份果然沒錯但是我們的 |
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過程我自己覺得剛開始的反應有點慢但是後來有跟上來其實是很好的重點是那為什麼我們的民進黨團的總召柯建民先生他當時的預估是10%呢還是這是民進黨團整體誤判了川普的政策的影響柯總統有他的思考的邏輯跟消息的來源那他有講了另外一個問題是他認為廠商要自己避險院長你同意嗎 |
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政府必須盡力的協助廠商所以我們才有產業支持的方案所以廠商要自己避險不是行政院的態度吧我們不應該放著讓廠商自己在這個困難當中去生存畢竟執政黨的立院黨團總召還是有一定的代表性這是讓我們看到政府不應該有這樣的心態廠商要自己避險啊只有10%怕什麼啊所以看到的是全世界都在因應這個部分但是我們好像很 |
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不在乎啊我們是用支持產業的方式來協助廠商對 再講一次我們政府的目的是要協助廠商能夠去賺全世界的錢來調適目前的狀況我們政府要來協助他好 接下去就是你們所說的調適嘛調適 我們現在說了一個你昨天有一個100億要做所謂的多元市場那我想問一下我們曾經在蔡英文總統期間是新南向現在新南向還是賴政府的政策嗎 |
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南向政策還是我們發展的策略我們會甚至會到中東歐美洲當然也有中東歐所以現在新南向的國家裡面也很嚴重因為從所謂2018年川普的第一波的所謂關稅戰的時候就已經很多台商移到東南亞去尤其是新南向政策也幫助他們到東南亞去但是現在新南向的國家全部都變成也是關稅高關稅的受害者也就是說台商跑去那邊 |
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沒有比較好啦越南46%泰國36%馬來西亞24%印度26%我們的台商在那邊其實面對的可能比台灣更嚴重的挑戰接下去可能的所謂GDP我們會受影響或者是對手主要競爭對手的關稅如果他談的比我們低我們還是會喪失競爭力院長新南向這樣的慘狀怎麼辦 |
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所以我們預計啦在整個關稅環判抵定之後習近平已經去越南談了45項協議了我們的台商在那邊我們現在越南在選邊站越南兩邊都要應付台灣要應付一邊但是台灣必須要協助我們的台商在最特別的地方要找到最特別的方法好接下來我們要去哪裡 |
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中東日韓還是中南美非洲 |
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我們說中東歐歐洲的發展也是一個非常重點之一甚至我們希望說如果有我們的廠商願意到我們的邦交國去我們的國發會不是去過立陶宛了嗎是的我們還有很好的友邦叫捷克啊對我們非常友善是的所以東歐中東歐是你的一個方向那新南向也要協助這些台商在這段期間裡面你看他們的關稅其實是很可怕這個非常的複雜因為他們也是我們的競爭對手他們高 |
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對我們有利但他們高對我們的台商不利這個部分可能是國防會經濟部要去徹底去想一想怎麼樣找到一個平衡點最重要的是院長我想問一下越南他自己說他跟美國的談判目標希望降從46降到22到24我們有沒有這樣的目標 |
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我們的目標是零關稅嗎我們現在對美國的關稅平均下來是6.5對他現在給我們10所以10就夠了嗎10就好了嗎還是32要降到多少才是好的總統是說我們雙方從零關稅談起這是一個態度32跟零中間沒有你覺得零關稅對台灣會有多大的衝擊這個大家不會滿意 |
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對 所以零關稅 今天10嘛 全世界都是10了那我們 接下去如果談到零關稅對台灣的衝擊 你們準備好了嗎這個談判的過程要讓我們有一個零關稅 你們準備好了嗎來 關稅零關稅 你們準備好了嗎對 國內的產業會有一些衝擊你覺得4100億在零關稅的情況下這樣夠嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
856.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
880.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
因為現在還沒有到最後的這個狀況還不知道但是我們知道說所以你的目標不知道你的目標是10 12 15還是像總統說的0我們當然有做一些高低的這個推估跟試算院長最後一定是全世界的產業鏈重組啦現在中國跟美國分別在拉人啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
881.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
888.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
拉幫結派我們要成為產業列從者的邊緣人還是主角這才是我們政府要做的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
888.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
918.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
台灣有高科技產業製造的能力所以我們希望政府的是協助廠商做產業鏈的主角而不是邊緣人也希望院長承諾剛剛講不能讓台灣人的利益受到任何的損害我們就是爭取國家最大的利益維護廠商在國際的競爭力川普要賺全世界的錢台灣也是一樣要賺全世界的錢怎麼樣協助廠商能夠在這一波裡面活下來很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
918.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
923.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
谢谢委员好 谢谢黄三山委员资讯谢谢卓院长部会首长的备询 |