| IVOD_ID |
160685 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160685 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-25T10:34:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-25T10:50:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b161887eae65c3926ca8407ebd5b8c89fbec180d4fb51a06734e47bd71ec00634cbb1eeebf50ae7b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:34:52 - 10:50:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、4月25日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、4月29日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝院長,麻煩有請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢黃委員好院長好面對美國川普的高關稅的政策我們的政府在過去這段時間當中做了很多宣示 |
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其中一個非常重要的宣示是針對美國政府所關心中國產品洗產地的問題院長講得非常的好我們要緊盯洗產地設三道防線MIT就是MIT我們要擦亮招牌打齊冒牌我相信這個價值我們大家都非常的支持謝謝但我現在看不懂 |
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我看不懂什麼事情我說防止洗產地MIT就是MIT但我們看到的是什麼我們看到的是啊拿台灣納稅人的錢去投資的聯合再生當初拿了30億國家的錢說要扶植我們本土的太陽能產業結果在幹什麼事情啊結果在幹的事情是要幫中國賣太陽能電子啊 |
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這個事情我之前已經執行過國發會了國發會主委跟我說他這件事情會去了解清楚他今天請假沒來現在行政院了解的結果是什麼丟人現眼拿台灣納稅人的錢去投資結果台灣國家隊現在變成中國貼牌隊 |
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我請副主委向委員報告對 我們已經請聯合再生來拒絕就是說他不會有這樣的行為喔 只要拒絕就好了不是 我們已經善盡我們督導前面拿了30億說要成立台灣的太陽能國家隊結果成為什麼中國太陽能代理商從越南進來標準的洗產地行為啊我再說一次啊拿納稅的錢拿了30億啊 |
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成立太陽能國家隊啊口號喊得很好聽啊實際上在幹什麼在賣中國貼牌貨啊院長可以容忍嗎 |
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不可以容忍嗎?不可以容忍嗎?不可以容忍嗎? |
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他解決以後不會再犯了他這樣就算了喔他有抵觸現行法律依法律執行他如果拒絕以後不再有這種行為我們就會嚴格的要求以後每一件事情我們再繼續往下看我老實講拿納稅人的錢幹這種事情丟台灣人的臉讓所有台灣的納稅人心寒還不是只有太陽能國家隊幹這種丟臉的事情我們繼續再往下看 |
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行政院通令全國公務機關2021年底全面台灣中國製的滋痛產品對不對這沒有錯嘛這公開的資訊嘛現在有貫徹這個指令嗎對有嗎成品當中有含中成分的我們還是一律要禁止的來我們繼續我們繼續往下看啦空話關話不用講太多啦生銳電子 |
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鄭文燦的好朋友啊成立什麼安控國家隊啊安控國家隊啊那個時候的招牌是什麼招牌是說啊為台灣的資通信產品把關啊所有的產品已經應用在哪裡台電台鐵桃園機場全部都是什麼關鍵基礎設施啊結果呢 |
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結果成立了所謂的安控國家隊淪為一場大笑話為什麼淪為一場大笑話從中國去進監視器改標MIT這絕對不是院長所講的MIT就是MIT這個MIT是中國貼牌貨我們的國防部軍事要塞關鍵基礎的設施全面都淪陷了行政院對這件事情掌握的程度如何說明一下 |
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我要求MIT就是MIT是從這一次開始對這件事情掌握的情況怎麼樣我還是說過我們會嚴查當中有不法的情況說過的話就不用說了啦你嘴巴說要嚴查嘛那我現在就問你嘛這件事情掌握的狀況如何來說明一下還是完全沒掌握所以我必須去查到目前為止行政院不知道這件事我手上沒有這家電子公司的資料經濟部知不知道這件事 |
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我們回去再瞭解一下國發會知不知道這件事我想我們進一步要瞭解我要跟院長報告的是什麼你的行政團隊螺絲吊滿地這是公開資訊我再強調一次這是公開資訊 |
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一個負責任的行政團隊當看到這樣公開資訊的時候如果有把院長您說的話放在心裡面的話早就嚴查徹查下去啦第二個關心的是什麼有多少關鍵基礎設施還在用這種中國的貼牌貨不是早該清查了嗎 |
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院長我有說錯嗎沒有錯那問題是清查了沒有如果剛剛您說的那是2021年我們還是概括的承受我們會重新再請表達不是2021年啦剛剛你說是2021年那是2021年作為這個宣示啊這個案子什麼時候查出來的兩個月以前查出來的兩個月以前查出來的如果是昨天查出來的那我會說只有一天的時間不夠兩個月前查出來的 |
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站在你左右兩邊的經濟部國發會我會盡快把已經查到的資訊向委員也向社會公開報告來 再往下看依法裁罰了嗎從你剛剛的反應啊我就必須要講絕對沒有罰啦從你剛剛的反應我就知道絕對沒有罰我們的政府非常會做大內卻 |
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中國產品來談洗產地最重罰300萬還可以廢紙輸出入許可結果呢當整個政府螺絲吊滿地不僅僅是末端的神經麻痺連中樞神經可能都麻痺了這些東西可以放在我們的關鍵基礎設施喔從機場到台鐵到國防部結果部長不知道 |
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全面清查 需要多久這些標案啊 好幾億啊我每一個都查出來了台灣的安控國家隊 現在變成中國的貼牌隊這些案子 我列出來了 全部清查清查需要多久 來 院長給個時間 |
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如果委員提供這些案子的資訊包括這些在內我們能夠清楚我相信我在兩個禮拜之內給你兩個禮拜之內我三個問題啦第一個要怎麼處理第二個全面清查完畢第三個這種安控國家隊還從我們前瞻基礎建設去拿補貼去拿補助我再說一次 |
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這種劣質的公司拿什麼補助啊全部追回來可不可以我們要看當初申請補助的流程程序若有違法的地方我們會檢討甚至做不必要的處分繼續再往下上一次去年的時候您剛上任我在這邊質詢的時候我給你提了一個非常嚴肅的問題那個嚴肅的問題是發展綠能 |
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我們要嚴加打擊不法我百分之百贊成立揚光電蔡英文後援會會長英系的權貴搞得立揚在台南那邊的光電廠現在確認是違法取得的我去年五月的時候請教你啊說這個違法的電業籌設許可要不要撤銷你說你會回去什麼依法處理 |
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快一年了,目前處理的進度如何?請說明跟我們報告,這個案子我們有要求台電在法院判決還沒有確定還有本部還沒有核發電業製造之前我們絕對不會...這個是去年的進度啊,你累個非常不久啦現在我只有兩個基本的問題第一個,這個電業重設許可是不是違法取得的?是還是不是? |
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這個部分我們已經有函請台南市政府這邊...所以是台南市政府在包庇嗎?包委員 這個是需要經過一個認定當然嘛 所以你說去年站在你旁邊的院長說要依法處理啊我也給院長時間依法處理啦 處理到現在快一年了 |
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一年處理不出來喔委員報委剛剛市長有說過在法院沒有判決之前我們不會再做任何等一下要說明清楚喔現在法院在細數的案子是刑事訴訟程序啊它是有關於有沒有犯罪行為的事情現在我在跟你講的是行政處分的合法性啊行政處分的合法性要不要撤銷行政處分依照行政程序法的規定是誰的權責 |
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那不是行政機關的權責嗎給你去調查一年調查不出來其實已經我們目前來講已經是停止他目前的一個升級的一個狀況了那整個你說停止他升級的狀況現在是不是持續在發電 |
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是持續來發電對啊但是我們這個違法的廠商你電業求生許可違法取得你還不撤銷你不是包庇什麼是包庇我有說錯嗎沒有支付任何費用啊我有說錯嗎那那個跟委員報告其實我們要依法行政啦當然要依法行政啊所以我才問你嘛這個行政處分等一下等一下這個行政處分是合法還是違法還是你不知道 |
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只有三個答案嘛 這個行政處分 合法 違法 我不知道哪一個答案 請說明是否依照系主法院當中的案件判決之後我們會做進一步的處理院長我再跟你講一次啦 刑事訴訟在處理的是什麼 |
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在處理的是有沒有犯罪行為的問題啊行政處分合不合法是行政機關的權責啊就是行政程序法的ABC啊我再問一次這個行政處分合法違法還是我不知道一年的喔剛剛趙市長的答覆是我們已經暫停他現在所有的程序了對不起我問A問題 你們在回答B問題啊這個行政處分合法違法還是我不知道 |
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行政處分是否有瑕疵現在正在正在調查當中調查一年耶剛剛已經說了 他現在已經暫停了如果他行政 行事處分有出來的話所以呢 現在你們跟全國是全國的公司都一樣行政處分即使有違法我主管機關我還是沒有要撤銷 |
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我能幫你拖就幫你拖啊電繼續發啊有這樣搞的來我直接給你看我們沒有拖延的責任沒有拖延從去年到現在還沒拖延喔從去年到今年還沒有拖延喔這不是拖延什麼是拖延這不是拖延什麼是拖延你還敢在這邊狡辯喔 |
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其實這個相關的程序我們現在有請台南市政府來做認證你今天代表經濟部站在這裡我就問你最直接的問題這麼簡單行政法的概念可以在這邊混了一年沒有答案來看一下避免農地破碎的小二甲禁令你應該很清楚吧對吧 已經禁止開吧是是是 有三個例外嘛 |
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你要符合這三個例外才可以發電業重設許可嗎來請問你到現在還不敢處理的力量是符合哪一個例外的段數說明我給你一年的時間喔 |
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我如果昨天問 今天找你要答案可能是我不夠厚道我問你一年你今天如果還沒有答案不要說我沒辦法接受啦革命都沒辦法接受因為這個案子他是在108年喔所以是拿一個但書不要在那邊拖時間嘛所以整個申請的程序到底合不合法 |
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我們在113年的7月跟9月都已經有喊請台南市政府來確認台南市政府確認的結果是什麼他目前還沒有回他還沒有回所以真相大白了嘛 |
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就真相大白了嘛 你就勇敢講嘛這黃偉哲在包庇嘛黃偉哲在拖延嘛我們中央政府也很無奈啊問了台南市政府問了一年到現在都還沒有答案你就勇敢講嘛 怕什麼怕什麼我直接跟你講前例啊我第一次在當立法委員的時候我在追大創的案子 |
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當時的經濟部部長沈榮津怎麼處理事稱明確違法的處分不僅撤銷還禁止他們輸出入行政處分都出來了那個時候我從來沒聽沈榮津講說委員對不起喔我要等到刑事訴訟程序了以後才能夠處理該處理就要處理了啦經濟部可不可以發一個函給台南市政府問你還要拖多久 |
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會困難嗎?可不可以發這個行給台南市政府,副本給我可以可以,我們可以再請他處理拖一年喔拖一年喔大家都在看啊是綠營權貴就可以包庇喔要包庇這麼久看不下去啊我們立刻發來好,謝謝黃國昌委員質詢,謝謝卓院長、各部會首長的備詢接下來我們請黃珊珊委員發言請王定宇委員準備 |