| IVOD_ID |
160674 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160674 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-24T12:50:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-24T13:03:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e1f7c3e1748c6e51aa1426b7c166e919742596ee20a55b8d8f107d12b6de2ed141228277b1494e55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
高金素梅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:50:35 - 13:03:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、農業部次長、經濟部次長、外交部次長、行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表、行政院食品安全辦公室主任針對「美豬、美牛進口零關稅且如何保障國人食品安全及農民權益」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月23日及24日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝周圍 大家都辛苦了到現在大家還沒有休息但是為了國人的健康我覺得我們應該是要很嚴肅跟非常辛苦在這邊都是為了國人的健康來把關的4月2號美國總統川普他向全世界宣布要徵收對等關稅而我們的賴清德總統在4月6號的時候他就宣布了要以五項策略來應變請大家看一下 |
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我想這五大策略的應變所以才是我們今天未還安排這樣的議題顯然是因為賴總統他宣布的這五大策略提到了零關稅和排除所謂的非關稅貿易障礙所以我要請衛福部的部長還有農業部的常務次長經濟部的政務次長以及行政院經貿談判辦公室的副總談判代表一起上台 |
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我從2021年我就一直開始對於美國所謂的貿易障礙評估報告的台灣這個部分我不斷的就提出來我們的政府我警告我們的政府特別是美國他指責我們對於豬肉的標示還有牛角肉的進口還有非基改食品進入校園這些嚴格把關的政策他們說是不科學的貿易障礙 |
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在這裡我要請台上以及台下的各位官員還有媒體朋友們注意一下貿易障礙是美國政府他用的用語而我們應該要把這些長年以來我們堅持的稱為貿易自保措施因為呢這些措施是為了要保護我們國內產業的利益還有人民的健康請問一下大家同意嗎部長 |
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美國說是貿易障礙我們不可以跟他一起說這是貿易障礙啊我們應該說是貿易自保措施啊如果真的是站在全民的利益跟健康把關的話你同意嗎我非常敬佩我們的委員是說這些措施是為了保護國內利益跟人民的健康 沒錯吧共同堅持的那最主要的名詞我們 |
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也敬佩委員的智慧對很好所以你也同意嘛對不對我們民主大家都會來用這樣子的立場是同意的這樣子的所謂的貿易自保措施才是真正站在台灣人民的健康跟利益來把關啊因為有了這樣子我們才可以去談判啊對嗎好最近談到的對等關稅行政院用了一個字眼叫做極端情境 |
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那我們現在就來看一下賴清德總統他如果要替美國掃除貿易障礙之後我們台灣會面對怎麼樣的極端情境有哪些來進口的美國稻米變成零關稅 |
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進口的美國豬肉不但零關稅還必須取消標示然後牛角肉必須要開放進口並且要零關稅基改食品零關稅並且要開放進入校園取消美國農產品的萊克多巴胺和農藥殘留容許量的限制 |
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開發美國發芽的馬鈴薯要進口然後要取消服務貿易限制取消投資限制等等 |
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這麼樣一來台灣的產業還有人民的健康將何去何從呢?880億的進水撲滅的了美國對等關稅跟貿易障礙所燒起來的大火嗎?我要問一個更尖銳的問題就是政府就算是用這種還沒有談判就先亮底牌的策略看一下這五個 |
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12345是我們賴總統他已經跟美國說他準備這麼樣的做還沒有跟我們大家全民討論他就已經公開的在媒體上這樣說了然後我要問一個更尖銳的問題就是政府就算是用這種還沒有談判就先亮底牌的策略去迎合川普川普他也不見得會滿意我們看一下越南 |
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越南就是一個例子越南他也答應要零關稅開始來談判但是川普的貿易顧問納瓦羅他直接就講不夠因為美國對越南的貿易逆差還有1200億 |
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越南還有非關稅的作弊行為請注意一下納瓦羅的用語他不是用障礙不是用產地而呢他用的是作弊行為就好像剛剛盧憲英委員說的他用那麼樣的詞彙來對待他的好朋友台灣 |
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這根本就是漫天喊價的勒索嘛那我們要對美國這麼樣無底洞的勒索要照單全收嗎當然我談的是越南我現在跟你談的是日本日本在美國這一次對等關稅談判他是排第一順位 |
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而日本首相石破茂20号他就说了我们不会在食品安全的问题上面妥协再讲一次我们不会在食品安全的问题上妥协那我们呢 |
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我們是要把美國所謂的貿易障礙當作表忠的先例嗎我們是要全部取消呢還是為了國內產業的利益和人民的健康要跟石破茂首相那樣周旋到底絕對不妥協請問一下 部長 |
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我想我們對於人民的健康的維護食品安全的堅持這是絕對政府不會妥協的好很好講的跟石破茅一樣萬一沒有打到你怎麼辦萬一被妥協了你怎麼辦我們 |
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不過所有的事情就是在這樣的原則之下我們還是像我們衛福部的角色就是專業的做科學的一個分析提供一個在那個按照國際的標準以及我們國人的飲食習慣的一個提供專業的意見給我們談判的一個團隊我從早上就一直聽到你在講科學這兩個字其實一講到科學我就頭皮發麻了 |
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因為為什麼要在這邊提醒你因為 |
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因為這個所謂的科學的重要性就是中美貿易倡議的良好法制作業這一章我相信你們都應該知道了有五個地方提到了科學而美國貿易障礙的評估報告在台灣這個部分當中美國他也指控我們沒有科學依據就有三個地方 |
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而我曾經對陳建源院長也談過這個問題他說我們要按照科學依據尤其是美國的食品法典委員會CODES標準那請問一下我們還是按照這個標準嗎 |
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就剛才提到的科學的標準的部分我們其實對於科學這一塊定下來以外另外配的是國人的飲食調查裡面的國人營養調查的數據會有國人的飲食的特殊性那我們的特殊性是什麼我們知道吃很多啊 |
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所以這個東西都重新都算過了所以算完之後呢我們訂出來標準一直以來按照這個標準我們在邊境裡面查查所以你的科學所謂的科學是美國都接受的 |
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我覺得它是Universal的是全世界都會共同認定這是可以的錯了 你是食藥署對吧是的 你知不知道歐盟它是拒絕基改食品它依據的是什麼它依據的是卡塔赫納生物安全議定書 |
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這個也包括日本也用這個所謂的議定書來拒絕美國的基品食物然後進入到校園所以呢我今天為什麼要請三五位上來尤其是談判總代表處是吧嚴惠欣副總談判代表對吧好你是行政院經貿談判辦公室很重要是 |
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那您認為您認為你們要怎麼樣在談判的過程捍衛堅持台灣人民的利益還有健康我想我們基本上我要講我們跟美國的談判不是只有專門只有談這個美豬美牛的議題然後我們基本還有什麼議題我想對等關稅的來人拿一下我們賴總統那個五個再放一下這個嗎 |
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跟這個都有關係嗎對等關稅的來源確實就是來自於川普政府他們自己宣布對等關稅的背景是因為其他的關稅各國的關稅太高還有非關稅障礙還有匯率的問題以及各國還有一些境內稅這些貨物稅的問題 |
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那是總結這些來說所以他希望各國要去看待他們自己國內是不是確實有這些美國所關切的所以談判應該是怎麼樣知己知彼對吧是談判最重要的是你是台灣的代表對吧 |
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沒錯台灣是不是應該代表2300萬人民站在第一線捍衛我們的權益這是我們的責任好如果這一次沒有辦法捍衛到人民的健康跟利益你們該怎麼辦如何向國人交代我想我們一定距離一生 |
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只有據理力爭嗎有任何的需要我想這個都需要朝野的共識所以我們一定會來爭取我們絕對是同意的啊我們絕對堅決站在你們的背後啊對謝謝委員絕對是啊但是我現在要講的是萬一今天達不到我們說的捍衛人民的利益跟健康該怎麼辦你們 |
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我想國人的健康不會是談判的籌碼我們一定是這個是我們的基本立場好 你能不能學剛剛那個部長一樣講的講得更清楚一點當你們去談判 因為你們已經有視訊談判了嘛 |
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因為我的總職群院長告訴我已經有視訊了然後近期馬上就會統整視訊談判當中所談到的問題然後直接的進入到核心來談判所以你們已經有一個想法了也有一個談判的要點跟籌碼了 |
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我們現在正在統整各個 還在統整啊還在統整 縱使已經有了一次的這個所謂的這個視訊談判 你們還正在統整視訊是交換 讓大家增進了解我們也是要確認美國實際上視訊 那請問會談判幾次這個完全是我們現在正在進行當中的議題幾次都不知道啊 有沒有在你們的規劃當中 |
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就是这个部分都是持续在进行的所以你们认为你们准备充分了吗我相信我们是广泛的去收集各种情资目的就是要让台湾的准备好如果今天我在这边全民都在看全民都在等召委特别安排了这一次的这个委员会让你们来做说明跟报告就是全民都认为这是非常严重的事情甚至于是台湾的国难 |
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所以你們要秉持著跟石破茂一樣的精神告訴美國告訴他說人民的健康人民的利益是你們不允許被美國這樣子踐踏的可以嗎了解在這樣的基礎上面去談判可以嗎了解我們會我們會具體例證好我們都在等我們都在看謝謝好謝謝高靜雯 |