| IVOD_ID |
16067 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16067 |
| 日期 |
2024-07-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第31次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
31 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第31次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-07-04T08:31:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-07-04T14:31:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
06:00:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2dcdb159a08970f475ce1f9dc46489d2414f242ceca95778390c0d52fd4fee1ace5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-07-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第31次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家安全局局長蔡明彥、大陸委員會、文化部、國家通訊傳播委員會、法務部調查局報告「近期中共對台滲透作為樣態與因應」，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:00 - 14:31:00 |
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報告委員會：初期委員9人與主法定人數 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第30次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國113年6月27日星期四上午9時3分至12時1分地點紅樓山寧議會議室出席委員盧美林等11人、逆襲委員張啟凱等15人、逆襲人員外交部部長林佳龍及所屬人員、主席馬昭吉委員文君。報告是想一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定 |
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二、邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告如何運用國際由我組織力量協助我國加入聯合國相關組織具體做法．並備質詢。外交部部長林佳龍報告委員盧美林等14人質詢,均由外交部部長林佳龍、歐洲司司長黃軍耀、人事處處長黃麗玲及組計處處長李佩 |
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華等即席答覆決定一登記質詢在場委員均應發言完畢報告及巡大結束二委員所提口頭及書面質詢為其答覆或要求提供資資訊請外交部於二周內以書面答覆本會全體委員並附資本會委員令指定期限者從其鎖定三委員林毅君所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報通過離時提案二案宣圖完畢 |
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好,我們因為現場人數不足,我們意思錄的確認,我們稍後再來確定那請議事人員宣讀今天的報告事項報告事項,邀請國家安全局局長蔡明彥、大陸委員會、文化部、國家通訊傳播委員會、法務部調查局報告．近期中共對台滲透作為樣態與因應．並備質詢。宣讀完畢好,我們先介紹在場我們與會的委員,陳永康委員 |
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今天我們進行的專報由國安局局長蔡明彥局長來列席根據勤工法還有我們委員會的決議我們勤制單位我們只介紹首長其他名字我們就予以隱匿再來是大陸委員會副主任委員梁文傑另外文教處處長張璋 |
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1976.909 |
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文化部由政務次長王石思、文化交流司代理司長紀東陽、國家通訊傳播委員會副主任委員翁柏宗、電台與內容事務處處長林慧琳、法務部調查局局長陳白麗 |
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國內安全調查處處長陳宇源、資通安全處處長張游仁、國家安全維護處副處長葉立欽、 |
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本次會議邀請國家安全局會同相關部會機關報告:「近期中共對台滲透作為樣態與因應．並備質詢。」那我們首先請國安局蔡局長上台報告 |
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好,謝謝主席主席,在場各位委員先進,各位女士,各位先生,大家好那非常感謝大院安排本局進行近期中共對台滲透作為樣態與因應專題報告,以下請就主要的重點報告如此第一,近期中共對台滲透作為樣態 |
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中共利用臺灣民主自由開放環境,透過迂迴、隱蔽的情攻手法,持續加大對台滲透力度。國安團隊,配合到檢調機關,從去年迄今已經偵辦了84件國安偵訪的案件,其中遭到檢調機關來起訴的已經達到39件之多,案數跟往年來比較有非常大幅增加的趨勢,顯示中共在台滲透活動日益猖獗。以下檢究中共對台滲透作為樣態,說明如下,第一, |
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請收次密。關乎一簽署宣誓效忠文件中共吸收我現役軍事官兵說實拍攝向中共宣誓效忠的影片或簽署承諾書以及交付、請收、次密、發展組織等任務。關乎二利誘基層官兵次密中共透遊我地下錢莊、員樓、借貸業者等渠道 |
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與網路物色具資金缺口的基層官兵利誘局等赤密以償還債務。關乎三,勿吸國安離退人員,中共吸收我國安單位退役人員或是在該等人員互錄期間來進行約談,對我進行情報作為。關乎四,滲透黨政部門進行情搜,又拉我政府部門特定人士收集內部機敏資訊。第二,有關於發展組織。關乎一,廣泛佈建人脈網絡,中共透過威嚇 |
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行其交換、金錢支柱、特許、承諾等等不同的手段．來吸收我們國人為中共來發展組織．並且在台建立相關的人脈網絡．開展對台統戰交流．中共邀請我們特定的人士跟團體．附入來參訪、試機宣戒兩岸交流．共促和平、營造促統促融的氣氛．並且廣拓交流的渠道 |
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有關於科技竊密的挖角積極滲透機敏的產業中共為了擴張紅色供應鏈跟規避國際科技的圍堵透過掩護的公司名義滲透臺灣以及各國的機敏產業竊取先進的技術跟商業的機密誘吸技術人才賦入中共以高額補助為誘因簽署合作意向來誘吸我們產學研界的專家或企業到對岸來從事科研或投資的工作有關於介入的選舉 |
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1操作正義訊息導引輿情中共廣泛運用各種傳播渠道宣傳武力犯台的方案操作國內政策的爭議釋放對台優惠的措施導引新聞輿論的走向試圖來干預選舉的秩序以及影響我國民主選舉的結果 |
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關乎二,招待基層訪入借選中共廣邀我基層民代訪入參與各類的交友活動是既來影響投票意向進行借選的一個意圖關乎三,動員特定團體的成抗中共拉攏國內特定的團體跟人士平時動員舉辦成抗活動選舉期間會協助造勢拉抬選情第二大部分是有關於本局的因應作為 |
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一、機先收報偵防線索﹐送請司法機關來偵辦﹐本局持續指導各國安單位﹐加強發掘、收報中共在台﹐請收次密﹐發展組織﹐介入選舉﹐科技簽名挖角等線索情詞﹐跟違法的事證﹐以請司法 |
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2、透過公司協力的機制防範中共簽密挖角本局指導國安單位來透過公司協力的機制掌握中共對台在科技、經貿等方面的對接情形以及誘拉人才、移轉技術、刺探商業機密等預警的徵後以便來機先防範中共對台科技簽密的挖角活動 |
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加強橫向通報的作業,鼓勵民眾提出檢舉本局統合各國安單位的執行能量,落實轄區聯防以及橫向通報,即時掌握各個案的違常狀況。另外,透過全國安全防護工作匯報等不同場合,持續宣導中共對台滲透的手法和案例,先請各國安單位能夠強化內部安全控管。 |
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並且來提高獎金鼓勵民眾主動檢舉,共同來維護我們的國家安全。第四,辦理講習提升職能,強化案件徵收技巧。本局透過跟檢查跟調查機關合辦國家安全法刑事案件的講習,來推進跨機關部門之間的一個協作,建立共同認知的圖像,凝聚辦案的共識,並且來強化嚴謹收證的技巧,阻絕中共對台的滲透。 |
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第三大部分是有關於捷運本局依照國家情報工作法等法制的規範統合、指導、協調、支援各國安單位落實國家機密維護的工作防止中共對我國的滲透作為本局會持續地來強化收嚴違法情質跟事證提交司法機關來依法徵處同時也協同我們的行政部門完善相關的安全防護機制以確保我們的國家安全跟維護我們的民主法治體制以上報告敬請各位委員先進不吝指導謝謝 |
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局長請回我們補充介紹我們本委員會委員黃仁委員還有陳冠廷委員另外羅志強委員也來列席那我們剛議事錄來補確認對於議事錄上一次會議的議事錄有遺漏錯誤或需要更正的地方沒有的話我們議事錄確定我們接下來進行繼續報告由陸委會梁文傑副主委進行報告 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位先生、陳孟貴委員會邀請就近期中共對台滲透作為樣態與因應進行報告、進行質詢。第一,中共近年透過多重管道對我方進行滲透、干預,利用我言論自由的環境散布虛假訊息、宣傳特定政治理念,並要求配合統戰宣傳,透過複合性施壓製造我國內部矛盾及對立。 |
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第二,臺灣受到境外資訊攻擊程度是全球第一,那受中共影響比其他國家更為廣泛。根據瑞典哥德堡大學多元民主中心在3月發布的2024民主報告,在各國遭受外國假訊息的攻擊程度中,臺灣連續第11年位居全球第一。 |
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由於兩岸語言相通,相較於其他國家,臺灣受到陸方更直接、更廣泛的影響政府相關機關已密切關注中共運用各種管道對台的滲透情形第三,中共利用臺灣自由開放的社會特質對臺灣散布符合中共立場價值的言論比如說108年,有一位經常發表無統言論的陸籍學者李毅用觀光名義來臺 |
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發表一些言論,內政部依法廢止其入境許可,並令其限期離境。109年,東南衛視注點記者違法在台灣錄製政論節目,企圖引導輿論方向,經主管機關文化部內政部移民署依法承認,令其限期離境。 |
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第4中共透過交流民意包裝統戰宣傳操作復路發展國人協助政治宣傳或政治表態 |
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中共會利用各種的交流集會﹐比如海峽論壇﹐以交流的名義來包裝統戰宣傳與政治操作﹐對台宣傳﹐反讀、促容、促統﹐次期進行統戰分化。另外﹐本年5月中共央視也發表了政治性的帖文﹐並示意台灣藝人跟進表態﹐以政治操作刻意營造兩岸同屬一種之假象﹐影響台灣輿論。 |
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5.因應的作為,第一,我們會依法要求入籍人士來台不得從事與許可目的不符之活動。根據現在的大陸地區人民進入台灣地區許可頒發,過濾可能有影響我國國家安全或社會安定的入房人員,經許可來台者,不得在台從事與許可目的不符之活動。 |
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第二,對於具有官媒身份的陸媒記者來台駐點,依規定是採取專案方式來辦理。現在是根據文化部訂定的大陸地區新聞人員進入台灣地區採訪注意事項,維護來台駐點採訪正常有序進行。 |
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第三,相關主管機關會針對違法個案積極調查處理有關日前媒體報導,陸媒注點記者涉及介入國內電視節目的製作案本會課正在會同主管機關、文化部就個案事實進行行政調查違反相關規定將依法處理 |
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第四,持續完善國安法規防範境外敵對勢力的滲透干預政府已經完成了國安無法、反滲透法及維護國家核心關鍵技術的修法工作我們會持續注意情勢發展,繼續根據滾動檢視相關法令 |
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第五,我們會即時澄清錯假訊息,遏制假消息蔓延。行政院已經成立即時新聞澄清專區,法務部調查局也有認知作戰研究中心。堂友涉及不實訊息,將依法處理。第六,我們會加強國人對媒體嗜讀和宣導賦入風險,強化國人民主防衛的力量。 |
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那結論台灣是民主、自由、多元、開放的社會政府正向看待兩岸正常的交流互動但是絕對不容許違法來台進行滲透散布傷害台灣自主地位之言論本會未來仍將會同相關主管機關落實政府法令規範與安全管理機制維護健康有序的交流秩序持續強化台灣民主防衛能量保障國家安全以上說明進行執教 |
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好謝謝梁副主委我們接下來進行報告是文化部王時思中部次長 |
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主席、各位委員、各位先生、女士、大家早今天是應大院外交及國安委員會的邀請文化部就近期中共對台滲透作為樣態與因應提出報告並備詢感謝各位委員的支持跟指教以下我們就本部來夜館大陸媒體駐台業務進行的報告第一個是大陸駐台媒體的業務我們所依據的法規主要有三項第一個是台灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例 |
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第二是大陸地區人民進入台灣地區許可辦法第三是大陸地區新聞人員進入台灣地區採訪的注意事項那陸媒目前駐台的情況一直到今年2026月底為止一共是7加10名記者駐台包括新華社兩名中央廣播電視總台也就是央視三名以及人民日報社 |
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中央人民廣播電台、中國新聞社、廈門衛視、湖南衛視各有運營。關於陸媒記者申請駐台的相關規定跟程序,主要依據是大陸地區人民進入台灣地區取革辦法的第三條第二項專業交流之中的第七款注點服務。 |
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申請程序目前是由陸委會提出專業評估﹐文化部回覆意見之後由邀請單位向移民署提出申請﹐移民署再依據陸委會的評估﹐跟文化部回覆的意見提送聯省會來進行審議﹐經過聯省會審議通過之後﹐由移民署核發入境許可 |
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文化部自發記者證記者真的效期每次的核發啟示三個月可以申請展演一次今日媒體報導新華社駐台記者的疑似違規事件這名記者其實已經因為認滿離境如果有違反規定的相關處置是駐台記者如果有從事與許可目的不符之活動 |
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或者採訪期間變換所屬媒體：或者喪失新聞人員的身份：文化部得廢止其記者證：並且由移民署也廢止其入出境的許可：移送有關機關來依法處置那目前關於媒體報導這個新華社記者的這個違規的後續處理事項目前我們客證進行調查中那 |
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目前我們有發函也有主動聯繫：包括邀請單位跟本身駐台的媒體來進行調查：那落委會也在這個來協同本部進行調查：那如果有違規的事項的話：我們依照違規的相關規定處理：那會責成相關單位落實大陸地區人民進入台灣地區的辦法：還有這個新聞人員進入台灣地區採訪的注意事項等等：來確保 |
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大陸媒體的記者會遵守相關的規定那疫情以後因為我們希望兩岸的交流是健康有序那也是兩岸整個交流跟健康交流跟和平發展的基礎那我們希望這次的事件也可以從中來進行和平對等相互尊重的這個原則這是兩岸共同的責任以上進行指教謝謝好謝謝文化部的報告接下來進行報告的是通傳會翁副主委 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生今天應邀列席貴委員會就近期中共對台滲透作為態樣與因應提出報告並備質詢進行指教以下請就通傳會的執掌報告一前言為保障民眾的權益福祉 |
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陸委會、文化部及國安單位等相關機關以就兩岸人民關係條例及國家安全等事項依其職責執行督導任務通傳會則作為廣電媒體的監理機關將依廣電三法規範進行了解以跨部會協力的方式共同維護確保國家安全及社會安定 |
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通傳會處理的程序通傳會對於電視節目的管理系依廣播電視法、未廣法等相關規定電視節目自播屬業者營運自主的範疇基於媒體的獨立自主及憲法對言論自由的尊重保障該會對於節目的編排、內容的規劃、言則予以尊重為對媒體未能善盡自律、自由、違法情勢 |
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該會除依法處理外亦將違法的行為納入憑證換照的參考 |
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一、衛廣法第22條的規定,自播新聞之廣電業者應建立自立規範機制。同法第27條第3項第4款的規定衛星廣播電視事業自播之節目或廣告內容不得有下列情形之一也就是說自播新聞違反事實查證原則致損害公共利益。三、通傳會受理民眾陳情案件 |
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2996.174 |
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電視台播出的內容作為審查依據．節目內容如涉有違反上街法令情勢者．將依具體的個案調頁測錄內容．審慎了解案情．如有違法再依行政程序來處理．是,針對近日報載中國駐台記者．有盯梢政論節目之情形．通常會以 |
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一一三年六月二十五日含請衛星公會及中華民國電視協會恰其會員注意並瞭解所屬的政論節目有無相關情勢．並提醒會員自播節目應符合廣電法、衛廣法及臺灣與大陸地區人民關係條例等相關規定三、結論 |
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電視媒體為社會大眾知悉新聞資訊與公共事務的重要管道電視內容對社會影響至為廣大為保障我國新聞自由及民眾知的權利本會將依法督促電視媒體落實智力及內控機制保障公眾視聽權利以上報告 |
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3050.52 |
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好謝謝翁副主委我們接下來進行報告請法務部調查局陳局長 |
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3067.342 |
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3090.935 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位先生今天應邀出席這個大院貴委員會就近期中共對台滲透作為態樣與因應進行專題報告並備質詢近年中共各部門全面透過各種管道進行這個統戰滲透那為了要防治中共企圖破壞我國民主制度影響我國的政經發展 |
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3119.391 |
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大院陸續修正了《國安武法》還有通過《反滲透法》從法治面來建構我們整個國家安全的防衛機制其次在滲透太陽的部分首先是利用國人發展組織、賜收機密本局近年偵辦了許多的國安案件中國仍然是慣用以金錢利用的各種不正利益的方式來利用國人在台發展組織、賜收機密 |
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其次是借選干預我國的民主選舉的制度中共利用我國民主發展的成熟﹐在歷次的選舉都運用各種管道來借選﹐包括武統威懾、基建老台等等的﹐或者是以違反選罷法﹐或者是政治獻金法的特定目的﹐招攬選民﹐賦入接受落地招待﹐或者是經援特定的候選人 |
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中共近年對台進行複合式灰色地帶威脅,結合認知 |
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3188.489 |
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透過兩岸媒體社群帳號傳散假訊息﹐引導社群輿論的風向﹐分化我國內部的團結。網路害侵遂行破壞竊密﹐中共網軍駭客長期以我政府機關、機密單位、關鍵基礎設施等重要企業作為害侵目標。 |
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來竊取相關企業的內部雲端資料威脅我國家與社會的正常運作第五挖角竊密侵蝕科技利基由於美中貿易戰、科技戰引發的全球供應鏈重組中國積極滲透我國的高科技產業來挖角我國高科技人才竊取商業機密及關鍵技術 |
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3240.662 |
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企圖削弱我國在高科技產業的國際競爭優勢第6文化交流包裝統戰圖謀中國台灣因為地理位置的相近歷史文化語言的相通那中國利用離散文化概念操弄這個認同強調台灣宗教族群都源自於中國以情促融包裝統戰的圖謀 |
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3243.223 |
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3272.463 |
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第7會台讓利．瓦解國人心防．中國各級政府歷年頒布了許多會台的措施．以經濟利益來拉攏國人建立利益關係的穩固鏈結第8招攬賦入辦政加速融合中共福建省宣布114年兩岸融合發展示範區建設．取得實質性進展．廣泛招攬國人賦入申辦台灣居民居住證 |
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加速滲透融合把台灣內國化 |
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3278.12 |
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其次報告因應作為第一加強國安執法維護民主機制本局將積極依照相關的法令偵辦與中共有關的相關的國安案件維護我國民主與自由民主憲政的秩序第二根據維護科技產業的核心技術本局全力維護我國高科技產業的營業秘密到目前為止 |
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3304.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3332.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
已經偵辦移送的竊取營業秘密的案件有33件那中資挖角人才的案件更高達81件那未來會持續落實杜絕科技人才遭挖角保護戰略性核心產業、完善國安整體防護網來二組國家核心的技術外洩、鞏固國家的經濟命脈第三提升資安資訊的技術、溯源、查處能量 |
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3359.058 |
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本局近年陸續偵破多起中共以臉書假帳號、假粉專、散佈假訊息等相關案件﹐未來我們會加強案件的徵證徵處﹐反制中共利用新型態的複合式手法﹐對我資訊安全滲透進行認知操作的案件。第四,強化安防匯報的機制聯防滲透 |
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| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
3388.048 |
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本局是全國安全防護工作會報的執行秘書,我們會再加強結合調查陣風、警察、海巡、移民、憲兵、陣戰等七大系統的能量,大家合作協力來發掘各級政府、國家關鍵基礎設施及重要的機敏科研機關的安全維護的缺漏,去除這個潛在的危安因素,來防堵中共的滲透與害侵。 |
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結語因應中共對台多面向的滲透攻擊跟複合式的威脅本局首要的任務是權力維護國家安全在相關的法治之下加強反制境外敵對勢力的滲透鞏固台灣主體性的價值確保我國民主自由人權法治的環境永續發展以上報告敬請各位指正謝謝局長,局長請回本會先行休息 |
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內政現在猛亂成一團 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
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我們的外交國防委員會主席繞跑了如果主席基本上真的有什麼身體不舒服天大的事件找不到人一回事就在樓下就在樓下司法也是我們今天立法院的散彈雙峽正式產生了 |
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4164.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
4165.687 |
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兩個散彈組啦你是委員會召委會議的主席你可以不在嗎?委員會召委會議主席可以不在嗎?我想請教一下我們在座的所有的官員們蔡明彥局長你吃飽了撐著吧你在那邊陪王定宇瞎耗 |
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| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
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我們副組委梁文傑吃飽撐著了嗎?陪王定宇瞎耗我們的王實施次長、文化部吃飽了撐著嗎?陪王定宇瞎耗我們的副組委翁柏中你也是吃飽了撐著嗎?陪王定宇瞎耗我們的陳百利局長 |
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你吃飽了撐著來陪王定宇消耗你有什麼事情一個立法委員連自己主席的身份、召委的身份都不尊重你要下去作秀沒有關係啊民進黨這麼多的委員在底下圈你一個王定宇圈你一個宗家兵每天在喊沒有討論沒有民主開會多重要 |
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4251.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
4255.975 |
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示範給你看阿在座多少人? |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
4255.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
4261.397 |
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有沒有80個人?80個人剩下30分鐘 每個人都陪他這邊耗那今天我們在座幾個立委 準備質詢立委阿今天都白準備啦不用質詢啦你王帝直接出來喊散會就算了嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
4300.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
你不要浪費大家時間中加兵也一樣你不是會議主席我沒有什麼意見你要到底下趁著質詢控黨這立法院的慣例委員會之間你關心別的委員會議題這立法院慣例所以外交國防委員會的委員你要到內政去關心本來就委員的職責你是召委是主席欸 |
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| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
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王定宇你是主席耶你是召委耶我想請問一下今天我們這些官員來這裡都當笨蛋嗎沒有關係啦主席不在齁我就自動質詢啦官員不用上台因為主席沒叫你上來我自動質詢啊我來自動質詢一下齁我質詢質詢完也不用等他宣布了啊我第一要質詢的是梁文傑副主委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
4340.293 |
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丁少岸你跟我講沒有爆料人沒有爆料人啦自由時報兩個記者不是人啦你的陸委會主委邱隨正不是人啦沈伯陽不是人啦什麼叫沒有爆料人你不敢約談人啦不要這麼瞧不起沈伯陽沈伯陽很努力很認真的爆料結果你跟我講沒有爆料人沒有爆料人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
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我本來也要問問我們五個單位直接洩題沒關係反正看今天也問不成了我這邊問完沈博洋說兩個月前曾經通報國安單位來來來國安局長我們的蔡明彥局長沈博洋是跟國安局通報的嗎我要問問法務部我們的調查局我們的法務部沈博洋是跟法務部通報的嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
4412.438 |
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還是今天沈博洋是跟陸委會跟我們梁文傑副主委通報的還是跟文化部通報的還是跟國家通傳會通報的你通報總有個通報對象嘛沈博洋要不要交代一下因為我們副主委梁文傑迷路啦他迷路啦找不到人啦人在他眼前他找不到啊他找不到啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
4427.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
4439.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
你趕快出來自動報到舉手齁省不了舉手梁文傑我在這裡啦我在這啦我們文傑兄對不對老朋友了啦借你名字一用啦直接去找梁文傑報到他找不到人很辛苦我也找不到人啦王定宇找不到人啦 |
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4448.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
4463.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
本來想要在這邊幫忙協詢阿好心幫我們文傑兄協詢結果不只沈伯陽我們文傑兄找不到他我們連王帝宇都不見蛋阿我這個協詢的美意沒有辦法繼續下去阿所以呢我就要問阿活生生的人文傑兄你都沒看到不好吧對沈伯陽委員不尊敬不尊敬下一個就要問阿 |
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| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
4506.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
一家媒體東森電視台辛辛苦苦經營他的一個新聞的品牌就是以發現真實然後呢報導新聞甚至包括監督整個國家的政策作為職質東森新聞台一直都是大家很尊敬的新聞台阿就今天自由時報 |
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| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
自由時報齁這個媒體的公信力我懶得說啦但重點不是自由時報欸自由時報報導之後抱歉啦我們陸委會主委就出來說卻有其事啊補刀欸主委補刀欸啊卻有其事是什麼事我們文傑副主委 |
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4534.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
4541.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
要不要把我們的爆料人邱隨正也尋訪一下問問看到底是怎麼個確有歧視法啊主委都說有這件事啊然後呢還有民進黨的立委沈伯陽也說有這件事啊還兩個月前就知道神知道神預言啊已經去通報了啊那現在是怎麼樣你不給交代 |
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4563.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
4566.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
那你今天對得起東森新聞這麼多年來經營的品牌嗎?好好的新聞台一個假新聞民進黨整個政府在附和然後就去糟蹋人家新聞台的名譽啊糟蹋人家新聞台的公信力啊這樣的政府這樣的執政黨你對得起對得起新聞自由這四個字嗎? |
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4592.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
4604.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
那我要問NCC啊自由時報造謠之後多少的電視台開始報導這件事情沈柏洋大放厥詞請問算不算不實新聞以前不實新聞我們NCC不是很嚴格嗎有沒有查辦所以今天我們來這裡啊大家來關切我們的國安問題我看到了很簡單啊吳子嘉董事長已經告發了 |
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4623.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
4642.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
吳子嘉董事長出來告發阿他直接告新華社記者涉及內亂罪阿我本來很想問問我們的法務部阿內亂罪怎麼辦我今天問不到抱歉我沒有辦法問到因為我們有一個散彈匣王定宇阿不見了阿我沒有辦法透過在執行台上去問我們的部長阿我沒辦法阿我現在問說內亂罪怎麼辦法務部內亂罪要怎麼辦吳子嘉告發了阿 |
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4654.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
4658.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
然後要叫到你傳喚四個人四個梁文傑看不到的爆料人四個啊 吳子嘉點名四個啊文傑副主委看不到的爆料人啊兩個就自由時報記者啊還有就是文傑兄的老闆啊我們的邱主委啊第三個就是天眼通的沈伯陽啊本來今天可以透過質詢好好讓大家知道 |
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4684.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
4692.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
到底我們今天針對丁少岸我們政府的態度是什麼?拿出作為出來沒有?排了這樣的一個委員會今天的議程稍微跑掉啊我還是那句話我還是那句話請問王定宇你底下樓下缺你一個人嗎? |
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4714.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
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你反正站著主席台有你沒你主席台也是被站著阿有你沒你主席台也是被站著阿缺你一個人嗎你搞這麼多官員在這邊虛耗你是要幹嘛認證我們官員反正也是閒閒沒事做在行政院上班跟在這邊枯作反正沒差別你是這個意思嗎王定宇你這個意思嗎你要當召委要召集會議 |
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就好好主持會議我質詢完了不需要這個主席本人已經是排名第一個質詢因為我代替王定宇質詢他連自己的質詢都糟蹋了登記第一號質詢自己糟蹋自己已經消失30分鐘了消失30分鐘了你上來好好主持會議底下的秀場留給同志 |
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有這麼難嗎?缺你一個人嗎?而且兩個好兄弟耶,聯合起來,不容易啊不過王定宇我跟你講,你不是第一名啦因為你是起碼讓大家報告完你就跑掉了,質詢全部都沒開始我們最厲害的宗嘉賓齁,開會及休息一開會第一句話宣布休息跑了,一個小時齁 |
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一個叫半斤一個叫八兩啦就這樣子爛兄爛弟啦散彈雙俠謝謝我們王定宇把第一順位質詢讓給我我們今天是立法院有史以來第一次無主席質詢沒有召委沒有主席的質詢 |
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對沒有召委沒有主席的質詢就是王定宇散彈雙峽的二師兄大師兄是宗家兵二師兄創造了先例我的質詢到此我要去司法法治委員會質詢了謝謝大家謝謝 |
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來 我剛才因為我們從內政委員會然後一直到我剛才召開記者會到司法法治委員會然後因為我今天很早就來登記我們的國防外交委員會因為我覺得我們今天的議題非常非常的重要但是呢沒有想到到現在為止已經10點半距離我們的法定時間9點鐘召開會議 |
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已經足足了有一個半小時然後到目前為止我們的主席我們的召委現在人也不見了我剛才想詢問一下我們的會議呢什麼時候才能夠開始召開因為大家都知道我們今天很多委員會在召開時間那我們的這個委員都要跑場 |
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然後要調整就是控制我們的時間但是呢到現在為止我們的主席現在繞跑了人也不見了也不曉得什麼時候開會那我真的覺得非常奇怪啊因為今天的這個議題非常重要 |
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今天議題包含我們的國安會、國安局、大陸委員會、文化部、NCC、法務部調查局今天在現場這麼多官員辛苦大家了大家平常都有很多的公務要務在身但是今天因為我們委員會、立法院要了解相關的就是到底中共如何來滲透台灣包含有沒有滲透媒體 |
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包括有沒有滲透民意代表包括有沒有滲透到宗教這些公廟裡面這不是很重要的議題嗎我們不是大家應該一起來抓第五縱隊嗎但是為什麼今天我們看到在內政委員會因為霸佔主席台很奇怪我在這個國防外交委員會看不到我們的召委王帝宇委員 |
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我反而在內政委員會看到王定宇委員在那邊這不是很奇怪嗎?時空錯字嗎?我們不是要抓第五縱隊嗎?抓第五縱隊不重要喔怎麼會到現在為止這麼寶貴的時間從9點到現在10點32分我現在講剛才10點30分到10點32分了 |
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到現在為止我們還沒有辦法召開會議是到底要繼續召開還是不召開也不講清楚對於我們這些我們的行政官員在這裡我也覺得很不好意思啊因為召委沒有宣布開會我也沒有辦法請你們上台來做一個答詢我們要知道的事情實在太多了最近事情實在非常非常的多呀我剛才講的 |
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現在到底怎麼回事為什麼我們的召委他現在到底有什麼樣的要事放著我們這麼多單位的重要的官員在現場放著我們這麼多登記來出席或者登記要發言的 |
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這個立委也仍然就是不見了還有我們這麼多的媒體朋友啊我想媒體朋友也很關心今天的議題嘛 對不對到底查了什麼嘛到底哪些單位被滲透了我們該怎麼調查調查的結果是什麼大家都很想知道好奇怪喔怎麼我們的召委不想知道呢 |
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那今天你排這個案子到底什麼意思呢今天想要開會不讓人家開會霸佔主席台不讓人家開會今天要開會你可以站在主席台可以冠冕堂皇你完全合心合理的站在主席台來主持開會你也不開會請問一下民進黨是怎麼樣真的是心血小偷嗎 |
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我想請問一下 如果王定宇委員想要做薪水小偷 我們不願意啊對我們這些官員 不都是我們納稅人錢 你們今天一日所得 不拿嗎好啦 不要一日所得 半日所得吧 半日所得不是也應該 也應該拿嗎大家很辛苦 我看啊 有些還要在這邊 拿著手機啊 在這邊 或者是看著公文啊 在這邊趕快來再做一些公務 有這樣的事情嗎 |
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我覺得民進黨到底非常非常奇怪耶大家想開會你們不願意開會用各式各樣的方式來杯葛開會不准開會我現在講的已經五分鐘了我不曉得王定一委員我相信他的辦公室應該也也應該都在監看我們的那個就是我們的那個cable嘛對不對都知道王宏偉已經在這邊 |
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呼喊主席呼叫主席協詢主席他應該趕快奔到這邊來就說王委員你不要再講了我們要開會應該是這樣子啊對不對我在這邊呼叫我們的王定宇主席趕快回來開會吧回來吧你人在哪裡啊已經一個半多小時了聽不到嗎 |
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我希望他能趕快回來來開會啦請問一下我們的召委有任何訊息進來嗎告訴我們什麼事要開會嗎完全沒有對不對大家就哭等在這裡啊就算上廁所也不用上那麼久吧 |
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處理事情你也可以請其他的委員來幫你來幫你帶一下主席啊我們過去常常是這樣子啊如果主席有重要的公務對不對或者想上一下洗手間或者那個有訪客或者重要的會議要主持很容易啊我王宏威很願意幫你帶一下主席啊絕對沒有問題我絕對會讓今天的會議非常順利的召開我絕對會讓大家暢所欲言 |
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那為什麼我們到現在為止看不到我們的昭緯呢昭緯在哪裡王定宇在哪裡所以 |
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我在這邊我想尊重我們國防外交委員會大家議事人員辛苦了我們官員也辛苦了可是我知道召委的權力非常大所以我們非常尊重召委啊召委讓我們發言我才敢發言召委不讓我發言我也就要趕快節制啊怎麼現在到這種情形大家這麼多人登記我今天最主要就是來登記耶登記我們的那個國防外交委員會啊 |
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對不對 我知道有很多的委員今天也是搭著高鐵啊就是一大早搭高鐵上來就是想要了解中共如何滲透台灣啊不是嗎 突然這個問題不重要了 |
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王帝宇這個問題不重要嗎?第五縱隊不重要嗎?你對得起沈伯陽嗎?對不對?沈伯陽這麼重視第五縱隊管他真議題假議題了解一下啊沈伯陽兩個月前他就知道有那個中媒在盯梢我們的媒體啊你不是要調查嗎?現在是怎麼樣用記書杯葛不讓那個什麼官員講話嗎?天底下有這種道理喔 |
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所以在這邊你看我講著講著都快10分鐘過去了啦我們的召委仍然不見人很奇怪我要特別的鄭重的呼籲真的我們作為立法委員不要當薪水小偷該開會就要開會不要用技術杯葛那而且這個案子也是你自己排的不是嗎哎呀好太好了我們召委終於回來了 |
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辛苦了 趙偉上個廁所上那麼久各位我們休息到下午兩點半 官員回去辦公 謝謝不讓我講了 你看大家辛苦了 浪費時間有沒有 浪費時間休息到兩點半 那你們前面在幹什麼呢 對不對 被王弟耍了對不對什麼叫沒收 沒收開會的是你好不好 丟臉啊 |
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不講他還不回來勒他不講他還這樣子那感謝我吧 |
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我們恢復開會那由於今天立法院在內政委員會要沒收人民的民權要沒收人民的罷免權這影響人民父權重大所以身為國會議員這件事情是目前立法院非常重要的一件事情那我們今天在國防委員會 |
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所進行的會議為了避免各位公務嚴當一等再等那我們也很遺憾在內政委員會因為要沒收人民的權利要沒收罷免權這對人民的賦權影響很大所以在立法院我想各黨黨團現在焦點都在那裡 |
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今天我們的議程也相當的重要為了不影響各位不管是上班的公務以及我們後續議程的討論本席在這邊宣布我們今天會議到這裡為止散會我們擇日在就此議題進行專題報告以上謝謝各位今天播出時間早上也謝謝你們的報告我們後續會接續再繼續討論散會 |