| IVOD_ID |
160663 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160663 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-24T12:16:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-24T12:31:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e1f7c3e1748c6e584bf282678a88ff59742596ee20a55b8840241ee498f319ab92ba5236964c1d45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:16:15 - 12:31:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、農業部次長、經濟部次長、外交部次長、行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表、行政院食品安全辦公室主任針對「美豬、美牛進口零關稅且如何保障國人食品安全及農民權益」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月23日及24日二天一次會】） |
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來,謝謝召委一行部長。劉少偉好。部長好,部長辛苦了。部長,昨天消防署查國防生計有查出什麼嗎? |
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這個畢竟是去年七月份的事情嘛,如果現在還能夠讓你們抄出什麼東西,那就是真的FDA加FBI現在回過頭來,為什麼去年七月發生的事情,國光生技場內發生這麼嚴重的問題,不用進行通報? |
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然後你知道國防生技在講什麼嗎老鼠釋放在研發區研發區與生產區有明確的區隔不屬於藥品優良製作作業範圍GMP的規範的範圍內因此不會影響到藥品品質請署長回應我兩個問題第一個查到什麼第二個國防生技這樣回應對嗎好 謝謝 謝謝委員我請署長 |
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謝謝委員非常精準的提問有關於國光生技的部分呢第一個是我們昨天七點知道的消息幾點昨天早上七點的時候立刻就在昨天就派人去國光生技做查核馬上我們就出發了 |
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那對於為什麼在國光沒有立即去通報這件事情因為在GMP沒有涉及產品那國光他們是這麼樣子的解釋但是我們認為一樣GMP沒有涉及產品對他沒有涉及產品的部分所以他就說是沒有通報可是我們去的時候我們不是這樣子認為的因此我們有開出缺失這邊特別跟委員做進一步報告 |
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對 所以針對國光生技講的這句話他不在他這個事發地點不在GMP的規範裡面正確嗎我們其實我們就直接開出了缺失了跟委員做進入報告你要回應我啊對 已經我們有開出了他的缺失他這樣子是不符合的是不符合嘛所以國光生技是到現在還在騙還是怎樣為什麼講出這樣的話我想這個藥廠裡面難道不包含他所謂的實驗區不包含他的實驗室不包含他的研發區嗎 |
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我想他們的認定上面呢跟我們去查查的過程當中呢其實是有出入的我們認為我們他必須要包含的相關的查案雖然說他這個在二樓的研發的獨立區域跟我們的上市產品的實驗區在B1跟一樓呢是分開來的是實體上面是區隔的所以對於所有的產品是沒有有風險的 |
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吹哨者的報紙是說 去年的7月台風馬台中市24、25就已經停班停課也因此國防升級的員工就便於形勢直接把實驗室放在實驗室中兩天重新上班之後發現老鼠屎尿滲出 瘤痰滿桌事後又拖了三天才一種也就是說這些老鼠在實驗室待了五天不僅如此 連莊白老鼠的紙箱被屎尿濺濕這種應該立即丟棄的東西竟然還堆在實驗室好多天 |
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部長跟署長可以看拖影片那這個實驗室裡面有檢測核酸與DNA濃度的精密儀器製冰器和溫水槽加上有鹽酸、硫酸、紅毛磷就連研發人員的實驗跑也通通暴露在污染中對不對 |
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報告委員第一個部分呢有關於這個實驗室的部分其實在26號正式上班就已經移走了這部分說進一步說明那整個實驗室在去年113年的8月6號呢也遷移到南投那本市查查呢也確認了這個空間呢這種8月6號的時候我們就不要再談嘛好不好我們就談這個事發的當時的時間才準確嘛你連事後的傾銷到底有沒有落實 |
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其實也沒有知道嘛 也不知道有進一步的有清消 這個紀錄上面你沒有指出這是他缺失之一嗎對啊 研發部門環境消毒 紀錄也不完整啊報告外務員 他們有做清消 只是我們覺得他的紀錄不夠完整記錄不夠完整嘛 所以還是提出了一些糾正另外這個介紹者說 二樓實驗室二樓廁所是瀰漫到整個樓梯間喔而樓下一樓就是品管的檢驗區 |
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那另外 雖然評管檢驗區是獨立的空調空間啦齁但除此之外 這整棟大樓空調系統也是相通這些鼠毛衣會在大樓流竄所有工作人員在這個工作環境下在工作所以即便評管區有區隔這樣的環境你們會不會要幫國光掛保證我們沒有掛保證 因為跟委員這邊報告因為整個的空調系統是獨立的啦 |
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那我們回風的時候其實它轉生的所謂的過濾跟阻隔跟傾銷的部分呢其實它的整個空調系統裡面有進一步的做阻隔沒有 署長我時間有限我當然是希望讓你答覆的清楚不過可能要就陳瑋瑜所講的大家要抓的精準因為他之前已經講說沒有違反GMP了我就覺得非常的離譜到極點了這是第一點 第二點 |
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他絕對不是只有這個環境而已不是只有這個研發實驗室你看喔除了生產區、微弱石、無菌跟這個監控外實驗室也沒有做管理紀錄就這樣被...欸對不起他在這個...他在這個...對不起我用一個隱喻啦就是五字要這個部分啦 |
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5G二部分去年才發生的事情它有針對這事項的缺失你們就把它列為嚴重違反GMP的藥廠對不對那你們怎麼處理跟委員這邊報告因為這個跟產品之間是有關係的所以直接會對品質有影響所以它列的層級就自然所以國防生技你的意思是要跟我表達就是說跟產品沒有關係 |
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你要直接這麼講目前我們去查查之後因為廠內的製造疫苗的產品跟生產跟檢驗都沒有在這次涉案的範圍的區域執行因此我們判斷是沒有對疫苗的品質跟安全有差異的但是我們一致還是要去強調是我們是對國際一致性的PIX GMP的規範 |
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對藥廠進行定期跟不定期的一些查查希望我們能夠嚴格的把關製藥業的一些製造的品質組長你們對五福是這麼處理的剛剛我講的那一段是針對五福除了生產區會落實無菌跟健康外實驗室也沒有做管理的紀錄你們這樣就把它打為嚴重違反GMP那現在是直接實驗室裡面有違規養老鼠甚至於死尿紙箱都不丟然後存放在那邊要培養什麼樣的東西 |
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這樣的GMP廠可以云東風情說因為他醫療的區域不一樣請大家放心可以這樣嗎 |
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我們這一次要重申其實食藥署對於國內藥廠的GMP是已經建立了我們國際的規格只有這樣子嚴謹的國際規格才能夠讓我們的產品可以到全世界都能夠走得通所以我們對於這件事件我們非常嚴謹的去做採取雖然說我們看到它是獨立管理的品質是無虞的但是我們還是提出了嚴重的缺失以上說明 |
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一定會的不然我們前兩天上禮拜才講說人家那個世界的那個極大的藥廠投資是在新加坡怎麼反而不選擇到台灣來如果這個事情處理得不好真的會一笑大方也會折損我們整個在執行這個GMP過程裡面對我們的信心會大打折扣 |
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好不好 可以吧可以的 我們一定積極的採取好 謝謝對不起 稍微再給我一點點時間我請經濟部的次長 |
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市長一邊走一邊聽美國貿易代表在3月31公布2025對外貿易障礙評估中其中點名台灣豬牛馬燈設有貿易障礙等於是我們在歧視這個台灣標示美豬美牛是這樣的一個歧視的行為但事實上台灣的肉品都有標示產地不論美國就連澳洲就連日本甚至以台灣本土都會標示出來甚至以被川普講的加拿大比較稱為他的 |
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一周我們都要標示出來嘛哪來的歧視哪來的不平等哪來的沒有公平你們簡單回應一下是我們的現在的相關的標示呢都是一體適用的所以未來呢我們在 |
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我們未來的談判團隊一定會去跟這個美方去說明清楚這個部分呢是在台灣在台灣的話是一體施用對所以我是要特別強調說如果是這個樣子美方就講說實際上在歧視那相對其他這麼多國家都是一樣在台灣一視同仁的標示出來 |
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那來來有歧視的問題不可能嘛對不對那你今天你美國牛肉豬肉輸入到台灣輸給加拿大輸入到台灣的整個數量那是他們自己要去做檢討修正反而不能來講說是我們設下貿易障礙讓他們的銷售量低於其他進口的國家的銷售量 |
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我想這個談判裡面應該你們應該是可以來拒以力爭看責任的緩和來把這事情講清楚所以台灣的農業絕對不能成為這次美國貿易關稅談判桌的籌碼市長可以做到嗎剩下不到90天整個談判團隊在政府院長的領軍之下我們一定盡我們最大的能力農業是一個非常敏感的在那個產業那台灣是以農立國台灣以農為本 |
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那絕對不能在這次關稅談判中然後讓我們台灣農業去受到任何的傷害跟折損好不好可以啦 謝謝那第二件事情是這樣這個關稅不僅全球起商人連各行各業都受到不同程度的衝擊有一個職業逆風上漲市長有掌握嗎有一個產業的人才的人力他是逆風上漲就是有這個 |
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七成八的民眾優關稅占影響工作但是這個AI職缺卻飆升到11%市長你知道這個事情嗎美國川普也宣布要赤字五千億美元打造這個STARTGATE然後的AI超級企劃也要讓美國走在全球的AI領先的地位嘛中國研發Deposit可獲得AI人工智能其實這個人工智能戰爭已經熱戰中了各國都投入在這個AI領域嘛 |
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連工業總會在因應這次關稅中提出六大建言其中有一個就是強化AI人才培育那我請教次長台南何時能有原產的國產的原生AI誕生 |
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報告委員AI也是這個艾總統所說的五大信賴產業之一所以我們現在相關的部會尤其是在經濟部積極的在培育AI的相關的人才到目前為止我們從賴政府上台之後到目前我們已經培育了6萬人次所以我們的目標是在4年之內要培育20萬人到現在已經有6萬人 |
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打標所以經濟部的相關的部會都在進行人才培育工作那實際上其他的部會包括速發部等等也都在進行相關的工作你們有培育到6萬的人次的?有你確定?是我們看一個資料就好了差不多請你簡單再導我就好了你看這個排名我們是21嘛全球AI這個指數嘛對不對然後郭部長還特別提到說今年年底要超越香港 |
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是不是 然後看明年能不能再超越第六名的藍函嘛齁那你們有一個從去年開始政府就喊出2加4的人才培育方案每年要培育2.5萬的海外生嘛 對不對然後國內是2.5萬嘛四年要培育20萬的AI相關人才你講的是這個啊對現在已經有達到6萬的 6萬人次去年才開始呢對 但是因為呢我們所謂的培育的話是包括我們經濟部所屬的所有的 |
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這個掌管的產業別包括製造業以及你在最後看一張表格好不好你看這個全球AI的指標有七大指數有七大的指標台灣我們除了這個基礎建設有極盡滿分其他除了政府 |
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策略、商業及人才、政策環境等等好像都不盡理想那我在去年6月12日總諮詢有特別建立說雲林科大這個退場之後有30公頃的校地12棟校舍空間可利用可以成為台灣首座 |
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這個AI人才的培訓基地郭部長也有承諾那你們金光鼠也在8月5號今年的8月5號不是去年8月5號有提出環球課到退場的校地營運規劃那規劃有三大主軸第一個是AI國際經貿暨雙軸轉型人才培育創新研發暨AI新創育成支持輔導其他就幼齡壯齡在滴熱火了那如今這個全球的AI戰已經如虎如同在展開 |
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但是環球消停還限制在那個地方你們資金的產花所三大功能下落不明所以部長要宣誓要趕到14名明年要趕到第2名我覺得指日不可待 |
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你怎麼笑出來報告委員我的剛剛的您所說的這個排名的檢討我們在部內確實有做檢討我們也希望能夠精進我們全這個全台灣的AI不只是人陪甚至包括相關的這個環境那 |
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您所提示的這個環球科大的部分我回去再跟產發所再來我這邊這樣嘛你的另外人士等一下會後給我們委員會資料這第一個看你整個執行的狀態是怎麼樣那第二個我希望剛剛針對這個環球科大要來做整個轉移應用成為AI的這個培訓人才你們的時程是不是可以加快有相關的積極的這樣的報告給我們來做參考是好謝謝好謝謝莊委謝謝謝謝劉昭 |