| IVOD_ID |
160649 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160649 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-24T11:36:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-24T11:47:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e1f7c3e1748c6e56d450a0a92260c9c9742596ee20a55b8840241ee498f319a9149260f840dde775ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:36:16 - 11:47:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、農業部次長、經濟部次長、外交部次長、行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表、行政院食品安全辦公室主任針對「美豬、美牛進口零關稅且如何保障國人食品安全及農民權益」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月23日及24日二天一次會】） |
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我們醫師法第四之一條的修法被大家認為是一個落日條款 |
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感覺有一點是來放水用的你們為了四之一的修法也修了醫師的實行細則最近這也送進來被查了我記得你說過這是醫師法實行系提高到法律的位階是20年來最嚴格的規定對吧 |
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這個在幾年前我記得我擔任立委的時候就把一個細則 |
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變成法治化就法律的位階法治是這樣子而已啊對啦 實際層面來說就是它的內容都一樣啦是真的加嚴啦這對於患者來說是第一層的把關這個我們當然支持但是部長你說的沒錯確實是提到這個法律的位階只是在實際層面上這個修法把學歷採認證原則採認原則放鬆之後 |
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再加到實行細則裡面部長說的這是最嚴格的規定但看起來沒有我記得你當時說過這個有意見是可以討論跟修改那我現在請教部長幾個問題就以前一次用106年定的學歷採認原則來決定能不能考醫師執照的國考對不對 |
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106年訂的學歷採認的原則來決定能不能考醫師執照的國考對不對 |
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當然這有一連串的一個偵審的一個過程吧這個學歷採認證採認原則是說學士會的醫學系然後醫學系學士會的中醫學系中醫學系學士會的牙醫學系跟牙醫學系畢業學校必須符合教育部以列入的參考名冊 |
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那新的公布的版本多了當地國政府學校權責機關或認定之教育專業評鑑團體所任何的也算這是把篩選的學校的權利都放棄了直接交給國外嘛 |
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跟委員報告一下我想我們從在修正這個相關的法案然後來施行細則絕對是真的他的心情絕對是嚴格把關 |
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那個我也不管是在立委的時候或者是在可是我們看不出來當地當地國的政府學校他的修改都是有他的原因我等一下再請那個那個可能醫事室來跟我們報告我先講一個一定是有如果有這個都有做非常非常詳細的溝通但是絕對我也不容許 |
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因為當地國政府的這個權責機關跟教育評鑑團體我們搞不懂因為我們看不懂它是什麼東西因為在制定的過程當中我們也了解那個是說有的國家是那個是由政府跟團體當然是一定是政府認定的團體才承認所以在後來在記者裡面他還有一個教育評鑑團體是指什麼 |
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教育評鑑團體認可他也可以啊我想這個團體絕對是非常非常嚴格我要講的是說有沒有比我們教育部列入的參考名冊更加嚴格這個詳細的規劃是在哪裡 |
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那個意思是要不要回答一下跟委員報告就是說我們過去都是只是針對某個大學或某個學校的機制他送審但是我們現在是由你就地自己主管機關已經評鑑過審核過的機制而且進公開的機制裡面所以會比過去以來更那比我們自己的嚴格嗎你認為如果他的國家 |
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這個部分管得比較鬆的時候那你問我這樣是好的嗎就是他必須是已經審核結果誰審核嘛他們當地對啊所以我這個就有爭議了你懂我意思嗎現在既然是為我們國人看病不是由他們來定標準應該是我們來定標準才對吧 |
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那在裡面有一個在不採這個認證學歷部分就是說遠距教學本來是不行的但新修訂的這個特別加上去特殊條件下可以採認那這部分有包含這個臨床實驗嗎 |
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實作都是一定在實體不會有遠距的不可能有嘛對不對好那你們這個我覺得你們要寫清楚啦用學歷採認證的時候要經過一般這個常態招生或入學管道才可以承認學歷你修完之後變成有公開招生就可以了那不就是讓國際專班的這個部分就就地合法了嗎 |
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因為他所謂的公開是說你有公開比喻是說聯招或是公開在那個收入學生不是透過某些特殊機制在收取學生的這個好啦我這樣建議啦就是你們應該把106年的學歷採認證原則一模一樣的放到這個施行細則裡面這樣才有真正提升法律慰藉的效果因為講得不清不楚讓很多人看不懂部長你覺得勒 |
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可以啦我謝謝委員的關心我必須要再重申一次像這樣的一個討論已經經過非常詳盡連行政院長都主持這樣的一個相關的一個有些團體嘛他關心另外如果真的有因為這樣子而放鬆的話我們都很願意來做處理來做檢討沒有問題 |
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另外我請教部長,醫師法裡面有提到很多次的外國學歷、外國醫事人員。外國人這個詞彙在中華民國的現行法律裡面,這些外國有包含中國大陸嗎?我們目前沒有承認中國大陸的血脊。 |
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對嘛 因為一個中國大陸醫師想要來台灣執業在實務上會依兩岸人民關係條例來先處理身份跟資格的問題嘛 對不對因為兩岸人民關係條例它是特別法它應該是會優先的我們的一般的法律我們現在訂的這些規範它只是一般法律所以我們會優先用兩岸人民關係條例來處理 |
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是的所以如果說要開放大陸地區醫生來台灣我們的法律條文裡面就必須寫到大陸地區的醫師而不是外國醫生對吧他不是外國醫生嗎應該會寫到大陸地區的醫生是這樣嗎理論上是這樣 |
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應該是依照兩岸人民關係條例的名字嘛對對對 所以謝謝部長因為之前我們也聽到說我們要開放大陸的中國醫生來台灣這個造謠的事情這個謝謝部長也認證啦這些立委他好像都不太懂這個中華民國的法律我們在這邊謝謝部長的澄清 |
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另外我再請教就是食安的部分我們現在行政院經貿談判辦公室嚴副總談判代表你們今天的這份報告我真的看不出來你們在談判的前中後要怎麼保障我們國人的食品安全跟農民的權益就食安的角度來講談判的時候你們會自己降低食安的標準去配合美國嗎 |
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報告委員我想我們是有分工的雖然我們是政府是一體團隊也是一體的大家齊心協力那在食安這個專業的一個科學的分析那會是由我們衛福部這邊來做琢磨那我想在辦公室那邊談判辦公室應該是在談判的技術然後收集大家的意見 |
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來維護國家最大的權益這樣子對啊 因為我不希望我們以國人的健康來做籌碼來配合美國的演出雖然美國有提到說我們台灣檢測萊克多巴胺殘留辦法跟捷克法認可方法不一致我們台灣標準是比較嚴格的那當然美國是希望我們用寬鬆的標準來認定台灣辦公室的看法呢 |
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先請署長回應一下報告委員因為簽到萊克多安的檢驗的部分那個是檢驗是非常非常科學的科學的檢驗的過程你們會不會降低那個標準的部分因為檢驗的科學的時候他檢驗的方式呢JEC法其實有公開公告的相關的一個標準那其實國際可以認證的那我們 |
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食藥署這邊的我們的研檢組裡面對於開發這些方法以及執行的部分都沒有問題我們都準備好我今天提這個雖然還沒談我只是希望說政府能夠站在人民的健康的這個立場來去幫我們人民做把關另外當然農民的衝擊可能也要考慮到我們農業部那個我們次長有來那我們也是希望我有聽到說之前有講零關稅這個部分我們次長 |
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我們之前有聽到說我們關稅要從零開始談那是一個原則,但是不是所有都談到零 |
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所以農業部的看法農業部一定跟農民站在一起維護我們國家農業的安全所以不會領我希望你要考量我們農民的生計農業部覺得跟農民站在一起我們蘇昭偉剛剛也有提過好幾個委員都有提到大家都非常擔心就是說我們一定要保護我們自己農業的發展還有我們的農民的權益那經貿辦這邊呢 |
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我想針對這些農產品的議題絕對不是只有開放的問題所以我們一定會尊重我們的主政機關的意見然後以我們的國人跟農產的發展為優先所以你們一定要站好你的角度好不好 站好你的立場好好幫我們的國人 幫我們的農民好吧希望你們把這件事放在心上謝謝部長謝謝委員 |