| IVOD_ID |
160644 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160644 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-24T11:14:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-24T11:42:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:27:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e1f7c3e1748c6e56802f6dce4e9cee3aab39e7ea9331c7e7970360821fa2dae286f51d77010decd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:14:38 - 11:42:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、併案審查
（一）委員羅智強等25人擬具「刑事訴訟法第一百十六條之二條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「刑事訴訟法第一百十六條之二條文修正草案」案。
二、審查委員陳培瑜等16人擬具「刑事訴訟法第一百零一條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「刑事訴訟法第四百四十九條及第四百五十一條之一條文修正草案」案。
四、審查委員許智傑等22人擬具「刑事訴訟法第四百四十一條條文修正草案」案。
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我們請法務部、司法院還有調查局還有警政署好,有請各單位我也好我們還是要等一下複密,複密還沒進來複密 |
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好 謝謝各位 各位早安我先請教那個法務部跟司法院我看了一下你們今天針對陳廷輝委員所提的檢疫判決處刑制度的修正草案那你們不支持的原因主要是因為認為說司法資源的有限性那如果說限縮使用可能會造成司法的負擔是不是 請問法務部跟司法院是 委員可以說明嗎 |
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沒關係你們的報告已經有了所以我想這個是主軸對不對就主要司法資源就是說原因是什麼為什麼我們認為說會影響到排擠到那個資源這個我當然知道整個制度的狀況我知道可不可以直接下判決不用通知當事人等等的 |
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那我想說我是也蠻大程度的認同說目前司法的資源其實是有限不管是在司法院或者是法務部其實資源都是有限但是因為我最近看了一些狀況包括高院就是放了那個中文字的事情等等的其實在有限的司法資源之下其實我們 |
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應該我們對於這個司法資源的使用應該是放在真正的重刑犯上面而不是輕罪 更不是無辜的人民所以我昨天我在質詢的時候有提到說其實我們認為的司法應該是 |
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司法是要對付犯罪而不是拿來當作政治的工具更何況司法的資源是有限的所以在使用上面應該要更去思考怎麼樣對國家人民有利那我們今天審的法案都是刑事訴訟法的條文那這個法呢其實刑事訴訟法它最大的精神是在於說要發現真實還有執行一個正當的法律程序來保障受訓問者而不是說一昧的事實調查 |
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不是說今天這個人有構成犯罪那我就動用所有國家的偵查力量去對付他譬如說有一個人侵占遺失物那我是不是要開始大量的搜索羈押詢問然後只為了發現他有沒有侵占遺失物的這個事實我想司法不是這樣用所以在刑事訴訟程序上面有犯罪就應該偵辦但是永遠 |
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比喻原則是我們在衡量手段以及目的性的一個很重要考量尤其是在司法資源有限的情況下怎麼做其實才是一個真正重要所以除了不該一昧的就是你們就是拿說犯罪事實調查這個當作藉口之外其實你們要考量的是怎麼樣去保障正當法律的程序那這譬如說 |
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比例原則有沒有去注意到公正公平的手段有沒有去注意到我想這個是我們每個司法人員因為司法人員國家訓練我們一個司法官訓練所出來的像兩位跟我國家是要花非常多錢才能把你訓練出來的我想花那麼多錢訓練出來的從業人員應該這是我們一定要 |
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遵守的一個原則嘛 就是在訴訟上面偵查上面 審判上面有沒有符合比例原則以及公平公正合乎訴訟程序的手段我想兩位認不認同這個說法認同好 謝謝 |
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所以昨天我在質詢的時候遇到一個狀況就是其實人民納稅給你去發薪水絕對不是讓你說6點半去老民而且我們6點半會去一定是搜索或執行G提才有可能 |
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那六點半去送達傳票這個我還真的沒聽過我想請教次長次長那個你是我檢查實習的時候的老師所以我一直尊稱你是老師嘛那以前是因為你對我影響很大所以我一路以來我就是選擇一定要當檢察官不是當法官因為我覺得偵查犯罪 |
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我很喜歡這個詐犯罪然後能夠給我們自己的成就感以及對國家的貢獻所以我想請教你我們什麼時候會在六點半去檢察官會指示司法警察去送達船票我想請教次長 |
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好 那當然通常會在清晨這麼早通常是進行搜索 進行強制處分的作為的時候是 就剛講的那這個案子他送這個傳喚的方式的話 但他其實他就是說他基本上他不違法 但個案上妥不妥適昨天跟今天很多外界都有一些不同的意見嘛 |
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我相信基隆地檢他已經聽到外界的一些聲音啦就是妥適性的部分當然可以再行檢討那基本上我們認為就是說這個案他法律合法性沒有問題但妥適性要不要檢討我們尊重一下那個我們尊重這個基隆地檢的決定 |
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我覺得不當的事情就是要大聲說出來如果我今天我是一個執法人員或我是一個國家公園我說我這行為沒有違法我就可以任意對人民怎麼樣我不覺得這是應該的更何況我跟市長報告 你是我以前指導老師我在那邊講嘛 有誰會早上六點半派司法警察去某一個人家送船票我昨天還請教了調查局長以及法務部長我說請問一下是請他馬上帶著走還是只是通知他另外到庭時間 |
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局長是說通知另外一道庭實決那我說那就一般有物送達就好了為什麼要警察早上六點半去好 就我們今天發現基隆有一個議員他是之前民進黨的立委候選人他直接講啊 他還公佈錄音耶這個部分是警察 警政署的部分警察到現場 |
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一大早在現場 民眾要上班 還跟他說我要上班這個名字是我簽的結果警察不讓他走 一定要他做筆錄然後這個錄音是民進黨的立委候選人自己公布的那我就不知道說 這是怎麼回事 |
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你基隆地檢的檢察官這麼偉大嗎可以叫調查官叫警察一大早人家上班前跑去那邊把人攔下不讓他上班就是要做筆錄更何況這些人是你偵查時候認定的被害人他是可能被委簽名字的被害人就你一大早跑去他家把他攔下來不讓他上班因為要做你的筆錄請問 |
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請問次長請問警政署這是我們的正當法律程序嗎我請教你請你告訴我這是不是正當的法律程序跟我們報告就是說傳喚當然在正當法律程序上面如果說看對證人還是對被告的傳喚證人除非有急迫警情但原則上要在24小時內前送達被告當然沒有這個限制那關於這一個 |
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傳喚它基本上它也是對於 訴訟法上對人身自由的一個自由權的一個干預它理論上都要符合相關的比例原則或相關的憲法上的原則來講是 謝謝鎮長 但這擺明了就是沒有慣例 沒有這樣的慣例對被害人的這種傳喚完全違反比例原則 |
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你跟我說這個法律沒有說不行好 那法律沒有說不行那我下次是不是五點可以送四點可以送 凌晨三點也可以送專部長來跟我講說這是考量基隆人的特殊性那我就說 |
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很多桃園人也到台北上班 那我是不是桃園就是凌晨五點去那我的助理每天從新竹到台北來上班 那是不是他四點如果要通知他是不是船票四點要送過去我說部長在鬼扯蛋 部長在亂講昨天早上記者問我說 部長就在亂講 胡說八道你今天幹到部長級的人 你還在國會的這邊胡扯 |
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那我覺得這不應該啦 更何況因為昨天我在問的是調查官去現場問到底是送達通知書還是製作筆錄還是要帶走 那局長跟我說只是去送達改天要開庭的通知書但是我們今天看到警政署的這個部分是直接把它攔下來做筆錄 |
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但是我不能確定大法官是不是請他是把他攔下來做筆錄 但是如果是的話那昨天局長跟部長在這裡就騙我了雖然大法官認為說政務官來這邊背詢說謊沒事但是我覺得這也不是我們認同跟支持的一件事情那我再講一個 因為剛剛的新聞說宜蘭的黨部也被收鎖那我跟各位報告一件事情 |
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我們從基隆的案子來看基隆的案子基隆罷免林佩祥的領銜人他還在臉書感謝調查站可以讓他喬到下午再去接受詢問還謝謝調查官的什麼善意好那結果呢罷免綠營團體的搜索羈押 |
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一大早去把你帶走那我們今天遇到的狀況是什麼你今天只要是罷免民進黨立法委員的 |
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領銜人就是開始就把你搜索 羈押 大肆的給你查辦那罷免藍營的呢 他用力查辦的對象是誰竟然是連署人耶 竟然是被害人耶結果領銜人可以 哇 他說下午再問就下午再問還可以在臉書上面發言 感謝調查站的善意這是多麼荒謬啊 |
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我想請教一下這是多麼的荒謬今天你遇到你司法在處理事情的時候竟然可以如此的區別對待我自己看到就是這樣啦今天只要是罷免綠營的支持者那你就是狂殺狂砍那今天罷免藍營的 |
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人 那你就對於所謂的支持的被害人 你就狂殺狂砍我真的沒有辦法想像司法怎麼會到今天那我不想問部長 因為部長沒有跟我說 干涉個案就是個案不討論 我已經發現部長的SOP了 你只要問他 |
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罷免跟藍營有關的 他就跟你講個案然後護航 我們的執法執行人員都沒問題早上去問被害人 是因為基隆人有這樣的特殊需求結果你問到他罷免綠營的人的事情的時候他就開始跟你 這個案我不討論喔 這支個案喔 |
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他永遠都是雙標這樣對我那我也說我昨天氣到跟部長說我說我也是內行人不要在那邊跟我講外行話你司法今天有沒有雙標次長我不用你回答這句話次長你是我以前的老師你也是讓我決心要走檢察官這條路的人你真的覺得今天的司法走到今天這樣我們是不是其實回到家其實可能眼淚都要流出來了怎麼司法會配合政客玩到今天這個地步 |
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调战调局也是 警政署也是这是我们当年从社稿官训练所出来的时候追求的司法嘛那我跟市长跟老师报告我在国民党执政的时候我办刘正宏刘正子我是办得多用力民进党执政的时候我办郑文燦他们我办得多用力因为这个都是我等于是在对抗当时的任何一个执政党 |
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因為我心中司法就是公正的處理每個案子我每一次辦完都被關切 都有人對我不爽但我覺得那個就是一個司法人員的宿命我們就是要起來對抗強權結果我今天看到的完全不是這樣次長這個部分真的你就不用回答所以我認為犯罪該辦就辦這我絕對百分之百支持但是犯罪的時候不應該區別對待 |
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在最近這個連署的這個案子裡面其實可能發生的就是違簽姓名的偽造文書啦這是犯罪 我一直說這個是犯罪但是我們希望的是能夠公平的對待所以剛剛吳孝文跟大家說 |
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什麼什麼去集會什麼4.26去集會怎麼樣然後這個你們認為這個不是犯罪什麼等等之類其實我覺得這些人都是在誤導國人因為我們今天主張的是我剛剛所說的你在針對同樣的事情的時候你是採取不一樣的對待方式我是對於司法的不公執行方式的不公 |
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我在抗議的是這個事絕對不是我說偽造文書沒有過程犯罪我從幾個月前我在立法院的國事論壇上面我就公開的說偽造文書不管哪一檔只要你偽簽偽造聯署書就是犯罪所以 |
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不要在那邊胡扯這些事情還有我再提一個3月17號的時候中選會的副主委有說二階段連署的格式只能由選務機關發出來也就是說他所有的格式都不能夠有自己設計的如果有的話他自己說 他副主委自己說有違反公職人員選罷法還有刑法等等的相關責任而且他講得細到說 |
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各個名冊格式這個標題文字字體名各欄次次序長寬的等等這個只要有問題那就是違法結果呢我們發現花蓮花蓮有4000份的格式有問題結果到現在呢有搜索嗎沒有啊有大量傳喚嗎沒有啊所以這到底是怎麼回事呢那我們在想這兩天聽到的說什麼新竹的 |
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林志傑 前立委參選人 他叫大家來簽聯署 然後會請喝咖啡 吃蛋糕那這個我們一聽到 這個絕對是會選嘛但現在呢 也沒有沒有任何的動作 但是我們看到的你對於其他的地方像譬如說今天對宜蘭 就超級有效率然後趕快去搜索 然後把人現在全部都帶回去飼料處 |
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然後在做這種事情所以這就是我心裡覺得我心裡覺得不公平啦我是替人民出來講話我對這國家這個司法對於人民是不公平的而且部長 昨天局長趕在這邊跟我講我們都是依法處理我跟你講 鬼才信啦我今天幹過20年警察官我很清楚這些長官在玩什麼東西只是這一次的長官玩的比以前嚴重更多 |
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國民黨執政時代他們有沒有這樣碰大家心知肚明民進黨執政時代他們有沒有這樣碰大家也心知肚明但是我所看到的是這一屆玩得最誇張最離譜那各位都是國家真正很強的棟樑那我也不管大家我也不在乎大家政治思想是什麼但是是不是我們在執行司法執行公務的時候就心裡那一把尺我也有我自己的政治傾向但是在過往我不管在辦 |
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國民黨的劉家或是在辦民進黨的次長我永遠心裡就那把尺就是司法怎麼樣我就怎麼辦我即使辦到後來部長對我都很不諒解我還是堅持辦因為這是司法人員的堅持嘛我辦劉家也被他們檢舉了好多年啦我也從來沒有說怨恨他們什麼就是我該怎麼做我記得次長你也曾經打過一通電話給我 |
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你在處理劉家那時候告我的案子那個時候應該您是在法務部處理這案子我那時候在桃檢 你有打電話跟我問一下整個內情狀況 我有跟你回覆所以我們是提著人頭在辦案 在對抗強權但是現在司法的長官們是怎麼在做的 |
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好那我再請教一下次長次長花蓮的這個案子後來講說為什麼這四千份有問題卻沒有提告那當時的花蓮地檢說因為沒有人來告啊那我想請問一下次長沒有人檢舉的案子非告訴難用的案子地檢署就不用發動偵查嗎當然不是啊假如因為告訴告發自首或其他刑事自由犯罪嫌疑及應急開始偵辦 |
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是 謝謝次長 謝謝老師那我想檢報分案也是檢方的日常那今天這麼嚴重了大家鬧轟轟成這樣而且非常多罷免團體也都被辦的情況下花蓮地檢署竟然可以說因為沒有民眾來告所以這四千份的事情我就沒有處理然後後來是侯漢廷跑去提出告發 |
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那我的意思是說花蓮地檢的這個說法會不會太騙人民啦太侮辱人民的智商啊檢報分案是很多人民都知道的事情更何況司法人員就花蓮地檢署竟然可以說沒有啊沒有人來告啊所以我沒有辦啊 |
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這個東西我也沒有辦法接受啦跟老師報告一下這個我沒有辦法接受因為我覺得這也是選擇性的不作為前面是選擇性的作為這邊是選擇性的不作為我覺得國家如果要愚民就不要讓我念書你讓我念書了大家念到博士了我們念到博士了然後你再來給我騙一堆弱智的人才會被騙的事情那這樣的國家 |
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不知道在搞什麼不然你就讓我們全國人民都不要念書全部小學三年級畢業就好如果不是這樣的話請不要把大家當笨蛋看就算刪除預算一樣他叫大家不要送解凍案來他忘記了我們有好多同學跟親戚都在中央機關上班啊他們都會私下跟我說上面交代解凍案都不要送要讓人民對你們不爽對啊所以我就說這就是現在就是現在的政府我不知道現在政府到底是 |
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福國利民 心存善念的在對待人民就是在搞他的政治鬥爭所以我最近對於司法的問題越來越生氣就是現在司法真的完全不是我以前想像的 |
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那次長我再請教一下就是筆跡有沒有重複啊到底目前大家的判斷標準是什麼為什麼大家看一看就可以來搜索請教次長當然現在才在搜索階段他要求的這個證據能力的程度不會像到法院嘛那到法院通常透過鑑定的證據方法去確認這是否有偽造 |
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因為在偵查中他申請相關的搜索票也好他並沒有要求要政治能力就證據能力所以也許檢察官他就基於勘驗勘驗也是一個調查方法勘驗之後認為他有可能有這個偽造肢體他也許就提這個證據向法院申請好謝謝長那這講說這都我們很熟悉的嘛就但是我也要跟就是說跟在場的各位報告一件事情不管在高雄韓國瑜的 |
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聯署案的案子 或者是在北檢當時辦的郭台銘聯署案的案子其實檢察官到最後都認定說罷免團體領先人他們是被動的收這些聯署書他也沒有審核的能力 他也沒有互譯證系統可以比對真假依照現有的制度 |
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確實現有的制度 北檢也說了啊依照現行法制之下 被聯署的人確實沒有無權要求民眾出具證件核實才能參加聯署那既然有這麼大漏洞 當時國民黨要提案說罷免要附身分證一本 民進黨又狂黨還在那邊騙說人民說國民黨沒收罷免權 |
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其實我們希望能夠有一個嚴謹的連署結果民進黨不肯他設了一個局讓大家跳進去就現在連署了啊那他就開始說有一些事可能是有問題就像基隆一樣嘛跑到人家家裡問你說六點半問你說這是不是你連署就那個人說對啊這我簽的啊那今天你司法機關竟然可以拿了這個東西覺得兩個人的筆跡很像就可以把它當作一件刑事案件在偵辦 |
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那不是就等於坐實了你原來民進黨不想要附身分證影本就是想要讓國民黨簽一簽之後反正司法都在你手上啦隨便你怎麼玩嘛他就直接拿聯署到你家去問然後說這是不是你簽的然後開始擾民開始玩這些如果今天可以要附身分證影本的話今天這個狀況大概發生的機率是非常低所以我覺得一整套套路下來民進黨就是用不停的制度以及什麼就是要玩弄國人 |
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不然我們都附身分證影本大家都玩真的就好了為什麼你擋到底他顯然就設一個局讓你跳可以讓他控制的司法人員可以隨便拿兩張說這個筆記好像很像那我就開始去調查就變成這樣子就有司法人員陪著調查所以我想講檢察官是看證據辦案不是看政治辦案千萬不要變成今天是看政治辦案這真的是不可取 |
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所以我過去20年在檢方的時候我辦了很多執政黨的人當然把我們自己搞得全身都是傷那我以前覺得受那個傷我對得起國人所以我願意這樣做那你們今天變成今天這樣讓我想說那我以前好像是笨蛋欸為什麼我會這樣逼自己要一切 |
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要依法處理 要愛這個國家 要為這個國家做事我現在看到的都完全不一樣所以 霸藍的直接處理你霸團 霸綠的早上直接去處理那個敢聯署的人然後對於霸藍團體的領先人還可以跟他 移到下午再開庭讓人家來臉書感謝 這就是我看到現在的司法 |
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好吧那個我覺得我還是說啦犯罪就該偵辦但是我不會去批評檢方啟動犯罪調查這件事所以我一直以來我都沒有說你們處理霸安團體是不對但是 |
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我的要求只是請公平的對待請注意手段目的的比例原則否則在一個完全不符合比例原則這個之下我沒有辦法接受那請重視一下正當的法律程序你們目前的作為其實讓我沒有辦法溝通這些事情 |
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1416.82 |
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1436.719 |
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好 那 而且我各位還要想到一件事情你們現在搜索羈押了這些人 萬一以後判無罪呢判無罪之後願意賠償 然後你也是拿全民的錢去賠給他你今天搞了這些人 達到你的政治目的結果你到最後判無罪了 你也是拿人民的錢去賠給他 |
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1438.789 |
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1463.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
民進黨沒事啊 沒受傷啊 我得到好多的政治紅利啊反正賠的是國家的預算啊 也不關他的事那這是我現在看到 而且我預測將來可能會面對到可能會面對到很多這種東西啦我相信會有很多人會被判無罪因為你怎麼去說 他有辨識違簽的這個能力那個檢調機關 真的不要變成司法鬥爭的工具 |
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1464.927 |
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1493.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
好我剛剛那個最後我想說齁我提一個東西啦齁那個因為跟今天的法案是有一點關係的齁那個呃在這個PowerPoint上面我希望說你們兩週內能夠提一個報告齁對於這個車禍過失傷害的告訴難論之罪齁也要加強這個刑事負債民事的這個權益的告知因為有一些人喔他不知道就整個走完之後過了過了損害賠償的那個那個請求權失效喔因為實務上 |
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1494.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1504.952 |
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有很多人來跟我報怨 陳情這個事但我跟他說這是因為法律的規定但是行政機關 司法機關確實是可以幫忙去做這個啦最後30秒給我剛剛吳思堯講到那個禁制區的問題就是極有法禁制區廢除 |
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1514.537 |
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1542.331 |
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我沒有 我對要不要廢除我沒有意見但是提廢除的是民進黨當年提的所以吳志曉可能要回去先跟黨問一下當初是民進黨提說要廢這個禁制區不是國民黨結果他今天執政了 他又覺得禁制區要存在這就是他的雙標不管在財化法等等 國會改革 民進黨永遠在雙標好 然後呢還有就是他剛剛說立法委員不能變為法委員然後說帶隊到那個台北地檢署前面去集會當然那個集會 |
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1543.852 |
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1563.434 |
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法律上面當然可以給予評價 但是我在這邊要跟各位再報告一件事那去年12月呢 青鳥要衝進立法院 然後在那邊剪斷鐵絲網然後在那邊妨害公務 毀損跟妨害公務呢那這兩個也是犯罪啊 為什麼沒有見到你說立法委員什麼時候立法委員是違法委員呢 好 |
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1564.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1591.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
劉四芳明明沒有指揮警察辦案的權利結果他可以叫警察說要移送誰移送誰然後大家問他之後 他就說違法就要辦啊那如果劉四芳違法就要辦 那劉四芳要不要辦 辦 鍾佳斌因為鍾佳斌在那邊撿鐵絲網啊 那是毀損啊那要不要在那邊辦案那幾個 王定宇那幾個在那邊叫 衝進立法院趕快衝進來那個是妨礙公務啊 那劉四芳要不要叫指揮警察辦案呢 |
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1593.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1616.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
所以我就覺得就是永遠雙標啦自己也沒有指揮的權利也在那邊說要指揮警察丟臉丟死了 連這最基本自己能做什麼都搞不清楚然後立法委員在那邊敲壞立法院的桌子 拔斷麥克風打破玻璃 晚上跑進立法院都沒事 都不是犯罪 然後到 |
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1618.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1626.322 |
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到北檢前面集會 要違反極右法天大的罪好像要殺頭一樣結果你在這邊幹了一堆蠢事丟臉丟到國外 摸女生屁股 |
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1627.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1653.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
摸女性立法委員屁股就還上很多國家的報紙頭版沒事這就是我們現在看到的所以剛剛那個吳教委員說他是今天來這邊給大家上法律教育課我覺得他應該自己要去上一下法律教育他自己搞不太清楚法律他自己才應該去先上法律教育課懂一下什麼是正常的法律好 不好意思謝謝各位 那麻煩兩週內能夠把這個報告給我們 可以嗎可以好 謝謝 謝謝各位 |