| IVOD_ID |
160639 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160639 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-24T11:11:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-24T11:23:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e1f7c3e1748c6e57187b723749df3449742596ee20a55b87970360821fa2dae6dbb4e661cf025135ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:11:02 - 11:23:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、農業部次長、經濟部次長、外交部次長、行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表、行政院食品安全辦公室主任針對「美豬、美牛進口零關稅且如何保障國人食品安全及農民權益」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月23日及24日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席我請農業部杜次長來我們經貿辦嚴首席代表次長我們民眾館都要關市地市污都很多我們的養殖業也發達 |
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那我們台灣現在的漁業差不多近海捕魚近海魚撈跟遠洋魚撈差不多占45%差不多嘛那鄉網養殖跟岸上養殖差不多占55%那這件呢美國這樣搞下去我們才發現說這個農業是要好好的保護啦我跟你講一個data |
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加薩走廊加薩走廊現在的難民差不多兩百萬人差不多190到210以色列是要炸哪裡就炸哪裡要殺誰就殺誰小孩子嬰兒都不放過這就是戰爭已經死了十萬人左右啦那加薩走廊什麼都沒有那每天需要的水 |
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每天需要的糧食差不多沒辦法供應30%所以我們的農業台灣的農業重不重要當然重要我去日本我看到日本的米啊它的價格差不多泰國的五倍 |
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我去看日本人離開泰國,卡榜裡面都排什麼呢?排米!因為日本的米太貴,又太好吃了所以要拿泰國米來討所以農業一定要保護這一次我們屏東的毛豆,差不多佔了51%差不多一年的6000公噸 |
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蘿蔔魚 整套桌子 還有台灣雕我們平常也有一些在那裡妳怎麼會這麼豐富呢一定的妳也幫得上忙你們編了180億 夠嗎 |
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謝謝委員支持臺灣農業這是一定要做因為農業真的不是說是吃飽吃好其實是一個糧食安全和國家安全的基礎那當然也是一個文化傳承那181 到底夠不夠我相信這樣說現時我們是先變這件事希望是渡費這個困難 |
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都怪這個困難這個是短時間之內那以這個美國現在10%的關稅來看先這樣做長期來看支持農業一直要往前走這絕對不是只有180億現在要做的事情農業部肯定要一直跟我們台灣農業站在一起 |
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對啦,所以我們經貿辦這邊談判,我們台灣的農業,剛才很多委員講已經是對美國是入操了嘛,所以我們才有底氣嘛,美國是前九十萬的低價估估, |
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我記得在第八屆立委的時候,我非常欽佩田秋晴委員、陳潔如委員我在當召委,他們堅持就是要零檢出邱部長你也是說要零檢出嘛但是2021年開放,什麼40個PPB、10個PPB |
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現在進來的,剛剛你講的大部分也都是沒有用萊克多巴胺嘛,對不對只有美國進來的有,是這樣酒都要保留在裡面,我只推廣我也贊成我也來Promote只有台灣豬啦我都要保留在裡面,我不會替美國人說話啦我在舊金山Fremont那邊看那個超市我去看他們,真的跑去看他們的超市的豬肉跟牛肉 |
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他標示得很清楚,這個有用瘦肉精的,這個沒有瘦肉精的,分開然後你要買,實在是另一回事,你要吃瘦肉精的,吃瘦肉精的這個我跟大家報告,那個有加瘦肉精的,那個價格是比沒有加瘦肉精的還貴一點 |
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真的是瘦肉,油花比較少,因為有代謝所以要標示最重要,我們自己的所有商業都要保護你進口的美國豬肉 |
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八千多噸嘛,每一年進來,剛才王毅民一直在追,一直在追說都遭遇到,都遭遇到營養午餐啦,遭遇到7-11,燉完啦營養午餐不能用進口,營養午餐臟Q一定是我們台灣國產的,農業副理事也只推廣台灣豬 |
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好 希望是這樣啦那我們現在養豬的頭數你說6000多個養豬場屏東都佔了20幾%左右屏東的場數最多最多嘛那我們一直在關心現在我們的豬肉也可以銷日本冷藏的就可以銷日本啦要不然加工的啦不不不 重點是價位 |
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這裡一廂,這裡一廂有出去,還有新加坡,去新加坡新加坡跟菲律賓我有去參加,台灣的豬肉本身品質也非常好那外務部的標示跟農委會的標示,欸你標示這是什麼意思啦是農委會比較厲害,還是外務部比較厲害為什麼標示都不一樣 |
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這樣就能夠證明是我們台灣豬啊不然那...北省不那麼聰明啦北省就簡單就好 看得到就好大大隻 台灣豬很清楚那我們經貿辦談判一定要捍衛這個我們的糧食一定要保護我剛剛講那個家造走廊那個就是完全沒有生產力 |
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它是200多平方公里上面住了200多萬人然後所有的一點一滴都是從外面輸進來你知道一天只有貨櫃車幾千台貨櫃車從西奈半島這邊上去然後以色列要過不過的要進不進的每一個人的飲用水都不到20公升然後他的糧食能夠拿到的人不到30% |
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要就是要讓那些人都死死的讓那些人都遷就讓那些人移民、駐紮走廊、以色列永久佔領是不是這樣 我不知道但是看那個樣子是這樣就硬幹所以 打仗封鎖是非常非常的殘酷我們如果現在都零關稅全部的米 美國的米都一百美國的什麼東西都一百台灣整個農業都崩盤 |
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我們真的被封鎖的時候,真的打仗的時候,我們是死的,我們的人口數是袈裟走廊的十二倍,所以這個經貿辦你們要以國家的,日本有些人很硬啊,日本講到農業,他們聽就不要聽啦,他就跟他拚,所以你看你們的立場,這個很重要。 |
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跟委員報告我想不論是我們現在跟美國之間是出超關係或入超關係我們一定都是據理理真更何況我們現在農產品對美國來說完全是對他來說是一個順差的這個情況之下所以我覺得這個是第一個我們會跟美國去訴求我們跟他 |
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在很多的領域上面都是戰略夥伴的關係所以這是第一個我們一定會努力的去爭取第二個我想對於農產或農業它絕對不是一個單純的市場開放的問題所以我們還會兼顧到產業發展以及您剛才提到的這些糧食安全國人的健康這個絕對會是我們在通盤考量而且特別是我們會跟我們的農業主管機關討論之後才來決定我們的接下來要跟美國去進行談判的策略 |
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我們稻米的收購價格是26塊每公斤我們在立法院給他搞到要31塊結果法案通過還沒有實施所以要調2塊錢 |
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這是一樣的意思 我們的黃豆我們生產成本一公斤可能要60-70美國的黃豆可能要10公斤大規模的所以如果我們都沒有保護的話我們一定是崩盤好 我再問農業部你的牛肉 台灣的牛肉 自產的 |
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差不多幾% 整年多少萬噸我們自己對消費市場佔有率差不多5%到6%牛肉嘛 國產牛肉那這些牛肉都是市的還是外土牛打起來的都有 |
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都有啦,我那麼深入的,我幾乎每個禮拜都在跟那些乳牛業者為了那個紐西蘭的FTA簽完,他們的一公升才40塊的成本我們這邊要7、80、80、90,這個市府都趕快叫 |
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那我們的牛肉我們自己才供應5、6%所以從國外進口的我們是沒有話講那我們的豬肉我們養了700一年才要產750萬頭豬肉差不多180天就一起那應該是要產到八九百萬頭才對啊怎麼會只有750萬頭 |
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沒有啦,一方面就是因為我們的整個飼養環境當然也是有成本的可能,第二就是因為我們現在其實山龍提供我們國內的90%都是我們自己的國產豬肉,國人對那個風味其實也是非常敏感,所以 |
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臺灣的豬肉在我們的市場其實選擇性我們的消費者比較喜歡所以臺灣的豬肉是有競爭性國人還是喜歡吃目前看起來是這樣進口的就是11萬噸美國差不多占8%大概一成左右總共一成左右 |
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好,我是希望一定要堅持啦,今天排這個題目就是一定要捍衛住,尤其是談判的人齁,這個不要穿著西裝,帽子沒穿出來跟人家談判,談到買回來再扛扛 |
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再說下去就難聽了,所以這個我是非常concern這一塊,每天會頂,因為我們家就做實的,我們家就在做虛擬的,我們的錢都在抓虛的,我們有可能說沒資格就用這個,而且是以農立國,農業為本,民意實為天,你這個農業要崩盤,你這個國家就 |
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結束謝謝委員支持好謝謝好謝謝蘇清泉委員 |