| IVOD_ID |
16060 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16060 |
| 日期 |
2024-07-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-1-35,19-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
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| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-07-03T08:30:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-07-03T11:17:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:46:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2dae5f17226264b1aa58d85e2d08749d244f242ceca9577839e06f9702800e0f035ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-07-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查行政院函請審議「馬拉喀什世界貿易組織協定修正議定書」及其附件「漁業補貼協定」案。
二、審查行政院函請審議「中華民國（臺灣）政府部分停止中華民國（臺灣）與薩爾瓦多共和國暨宏都拉斯共和國自由貿易協定施行文書」案。
三、審查行政院函請審議我國與宏都拉斯共和國間自112年12月6日終止「中華民國（臺灣）與薩爾瓦多共和國暨宏都拉斯共和國自由貿易協定」案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:47 - 11:17:00 |
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報告聯席會初期委員16人已足法定人數。好我們開會請議事人員宣讀討論事項。 |
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討論事項一、審查行政院函請審議〈馬拉喀什世界貿易組織協定修正議定書〉及其附件〈漁業補貼協定案〉二、審查行政院函請審議〈中華民國（臺灣）政府部分停止中華民國（臺灣與薩爾瓦多共和國暨宏都拉斯共和國自由貿易協定施行文書案。 |
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審查行政院函請審議〈我國與宏都拉斯共和國堅制112年12月6日中止中華民國臺灣與薩爾瓦多共和國及宏都拉斯共和國自由貿易協定案〉宣讀完畢。 |
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我們先介紹目前在場的委員有羅美玲委員、沈伯陽委員今天我們是聯席審查所以相當多部會的次長在這邊首先介紹我們本會外交部常務次長陳立國外交部國經司司長林育平拉美司副司長張志信 |
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條法司副司長許伯毅、領務局文件證明組組長簡碧英、農業部政務次長黃昭欽、漁業署署長張志聖、國際事務司副司長洪小軍、經濟部政務次長陳正琦、 |
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貿易署副署長劉威廉我們關務署的副署長蘇淑珍法務部法制司調部辦事檢察官陳思麗我們今天的會議要處理剛才已經宣讀名稱的三項條約案就這三個案子我們請外交部次長就討論事項一至三案進行報告 |
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主席、各位委員先進、各位女士先生、大家早安。感謝外交、國防及經濟兩委員會聯席會議邀請本部就《馬拉喀什世界貿易組織協定修正議定書》及其附件《漁業補貼協定》之批准案進行專題報告並被質詢。以下請就本案的背景及對我外交的影響提出下列的說明進行指教。 |
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第一,有關於本案的背景,世界貿易組織是從2001年啟動了《漁業補貼協定》的談判,到2022年6月第12屆部長會議才獲得了協議,會員都一致同意禁止補貼從事非法未報告及不受規範的漁道行為及其相關活動。 |
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並且將要強化漁撈資訊的透明化義務,擴大與其他國際組織及區域漁業管理組織間的合作,以確保海洋資源的永續利用。依據WTO的相關規定,漁業補貼協定需要三分之二的會員完成國內的審議程序,並且將接受書存放於WTO之後才對會員生效。 |
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目前為止有美國、加拿大、歐盟、中國及日本等76個會員國已經批准了本案協定,還需要34個會員批准才能生效。有關於我們國內的這個案子的程序以及進度跟各位說明報告, |
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本案是在上年4月7日由行政院合轉立法院審議因為第10屆立法院任期內未獲解決基於藉其不續審原則所以才在今年4月1日第11屆立法院任期之內由農業部以及外交部共同會嫌重新報請行政院來合轉立法院審議等待立法院審議通過之後 |
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接續將由農業部以及本部請行政院轉呈總統頒發接受書,以完成國內程序。接續再由農業部請我常駐WTO代表團送交我國接受書給WTO的秘書處,完成存放。 |
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有關於我國目前面對於這個議題國際的關切說明如下在去年美國、歐盟、新加坡、菲律賓等國曾經就本案提出對我方國內程序進展的關切及提問 |
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WTO的秘書長Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala在去年12月21日也曾經致函我方向我國能夠儘早在WTO第13屆部長會議之前來完成協定的國內批准程序,儘速存放接受書。 |
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那有關於希望能夠完成這個國內程序之後的預期效益跟各位說明那這個案子我國如果能夠儘速完成國內的審議程序將有助於我國接軌海洋資源的永續經營國際趨勢以及與相關的國際組織及其他WTO會員來深化約議題的合作 |
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落實保育漁業資源的目標。另外,如果能夠完成國內的審議程序,當然也可以達成了宣傳的效益,有助於我國建立支持環境保育的正面形象。與關於本案的結語是,鑒於我國是漁業大國,如果本案能夠盡速完成國內程序,當然有助於我們在WTO的場域及國際社會。 |
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2212.926 |
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建立我國支持環境保育的正面形象而我國作為WTO負責任的會員之一也希望能夠在完成國內程序之後儘速完成存放那麼外交部將繼續配合農業部推動辦理本案的後續事宜那繼續另外再就中華民國臺灣政府部分停止中華民國臺灣與薩爾瓦多共和國暨宏都拉斯共和國自由貿易協定 |
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實行文書、進行報告並被質詢。緊究相關的案情,跟各位說明如下。第一個是有關於相關的背景。我國、薩爾瓦多以及宏都拉斯三方共同簽署了《台薩宏自由貿易協定》,那是在97年的時候正式生效。107年8月21號, |
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2261.349 |
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臺薩斷交,薩國政府發布自108年3月15日起廢除臺薩之間的FTA行政命令但是因為薩國國內糖業協會向最高法院提出違憲訴願而暫緩執行最後經過薩國的憲法法庭在111年11月7日判決認定廢除臺薩FTA的行政命令已屬完備所以從該日起我國出口薩國的產品停止適用臺薩FTA的優惠關稅 |
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本案經過經濟部、財政部以及外交部等相關機關進行跨部會商來橫著我商的權益以及國際情勢決議停止實行台薩FTA並且報請行政院合併從112年5月15日停止實行接下來是由我駐世界貿易組織代表團在112年4月6日及11日 |
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分別正式支會薩爾瓦多及宏都拉斯兩國的代表團並且複製WTO秘書處,完成對外的通知程序。關於本案的國內程序部分,跟各位說明如下。之前由經濟部、財政部及外交部 |
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於112年5月5日,會嫌報請行政院合轉立法院審議。審決於同年5月11日,函請大院審議。大院在5月26日曾經一路通過,但是最後沒有完成議決。依據《立法院職權刑事法》第13條規定, |
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本案因為也藉其不續審,所以經濟部、財政部以及外交部在本屆立法委員重新上任之後,重新報請行政院和轉大院來審議。如果這個案子能夠審議通過,後續將由行政院來轉成總統檢查並公佈完備我們國內程序。相關的影響因應是,近年來臺薩雙邊貿易量占我國對外貿易總額僅僅只有大約0.01%,停止施行跟薩爾瓦多間的FTA對我國整體 |
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貿易影響有限,我國從薩國主要的進口項目也都有替代的來源,本部將持續與經濟部等相關機關共同協助國內的業者改向我友邦或其他理念相近國家進行採購。 bicy,就我國與宏都拉斯共和國從112年12月6日終止《中華民國（臺灣與薩爾瓦多共和國暨宏都拉斯共和國自由貿易協定案》的後續報告。 |
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2393.625 |
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這個案子的背景跟薩爾瓦多有點類似的簡單再複述如下我國薩爾瓦多及宏都拉斯三方共同簽署的臺薩宏自由貿易協定是97年生效那112年的3月26日我國與宏都拉斯終止外交關係之後那宏國駐世界貿易組織代表團是在同年的6月9號將 |
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2417.59 |
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紅都拉斯政府當時的情況是致函給我們的經濟部王美花部長然後轉致我駐WTO代表團告稱紅國依據一中原則退出臺薩紅自由貿易協定並且在180天後生效那介於上街的退出的通知函內容涉及扭曲我國主權地位外交部曾經在同年6月16日發布聲明給予播置 |
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經濟部是在112.6月12日邀請相關機關召開宏都拉斯通知終止臺紅FTA的因應會議。在7月26日由經濟部、財政部及外交部會前函報行政院建議終止臺紅FTA。終止日期依據該協定第18.05條退出條款規定,除締約國另有協議外,退出應與締約國一方通知。 |
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第二國他方的180天之後向下所以依據宏國通知的日期112年6月9號次日期起算180天終止日期為112年12月6日那本案在行政院和定之後已經由我駐WTO代表團 |
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直接通知WTO秘書處並且複製宏國駐WTO代表團。國內程序部分也跟上次我們之前所通報有關於薩爾瓦多的類似就不再贅述。最後有關影響因應的部分也依據經濟部的統計資料111年及112年臺澳雙邊貿易額佔我對外貿易 |
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總額只佔0.02%,所以臺澳FTA自生效以來,宏國的產品對我出口成長是有達4.6倍,宏羅拉斯是雙邊貿易的受益方,那終止FTA對我們的貿易及產業的影響有限。為了降低FTA終止後對我國廠商的影響,主要是白蝦的進口廠商,外交部也持續跟經濟部等相關機關共同協助業者轉向其他友邦及聯合相關國家採購,進行多元佈局國際市場。 |
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2537.517 |
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以上三案,送請外交、國防及經濟委員會的聯席審查,懇請各位委員支持,儘早完成國內法制程序。也再次感謝兩國委員會的各位委員對本部的支持以及指教。謝謝。好,謝謝陳立國次長。我們接下來進行報告的是農業部黃政務次長。請就第一案進行報告。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
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主席、各位委員、大家早今天就馬拉喀什世界貿易組織協定修正議定書以及其附件漁業補貼協定案進行報告關於在世界貿易組織補貼談判之相關歷程的部分與外交部的報告雷同所以這邊我們僅略過請各位翻開次頁在這個 |
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次頁三、WTO漁業補貼協定的主要內容那這個協定修正的主要內容主要針對三點對於相關補貼的禁制事項第一、會員不得從事對IUU漁撈行為或其相關活動之漁船或經營者提供或維持任何的補貼第二、會員不得針對已過於漁群之漁業或相關活動提供或維持任何補貼 |
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2619.418 |
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會員補貼措施或有其他措施系為重建該漁群資源恢復到生物可持續水準,則該補貼可持續維持。第三、會員不得在無管轄海域以及沿岸國經濟海域及區域漁業管理組織管轄水域之外的公海、作業的國籍船隻提供或維持任何的補貼。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2624.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
那針對上述的禁制行為因應漁業補貼的國內所要做的調適WTO通過漁業補貼協定規範禁止會員補貼IUU漁勞行為以及針對過於漁群之漁業 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
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2659.257 |
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為打擊IUU行為系我國既定的政策而且我國長期投入海洋資源評估確保專屬海域水域的漁群資源永續故評估該協定生效對我尚無直接之影響有關禁止IUU漁撈行為之補貼打擊IUU行為系我國既定的政策從102年已公告了 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2682.808 |
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預防、制止和消除未報告及不受規範也就是IUU補餘之國家行動計畫,配合國際七四持續跟各國共同打擊IUU的餘勞行為。我國現行法規上雖無明文禁止補貼IUU餘勞行為,但實務上已經實質的規範了禁止對IUU行為的提供補貼,例如我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2683.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2709.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
漁船動力擁有優惠油價標準的第13條之一按其受處罰或處分之情形停止補助一定油量之補貼款。自願性休漁獎勵辦法第8條的第1項休漁獎勵期間如違反了漁業法或相關的遠洋漁業條例或涉有走私、偷渡、電、毒、炸魚或漁業動力擁有優惠標準第13條第1項第一款到第5款 |
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2717.979 |
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所達的違規情況之一的都不予合法漁業獎勵金,已合法者應予撤銷廢紙並依法追繳。 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2746.158 |
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二、有關禁止補貼以過於漁群為目標的這個漁撈行為,我國長期參與國際組織的這個管理,落實養護措施,共同維護公海漁業資源,並於我國專屬經濟水域內,針對各項經濟漁種進行評估,確保資源永續,那相關的工作摘要如下,第一,我國遠洋漁船主要在公海作業,受到RFM及管理,所以各 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2747.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2764.793 |
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為了確保管轄水域的漁種資源永續,均要求各會員必須配合養護及管理措施,並提交漁獲資料供科學委員會進行資源評估,據以擬定配額。目前的各RFMO養護管理措施均有成效,有助於整體資源永續, |
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我國目前參加各洋區這RFMO,我國及遠洋漁船、公海作業的漁船都有進行RFMO的資源管理,故較無影響。第二、在沿境海漁業的部分,我國專屬經濟水域的漁獲量多樣性高,經濟物種高達了500多種,作業漁法多樣。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2799.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
目前有脫網、赤網、燈火、籠聚等漁館以明文定定禁漁區、禁漁渠以另外、青森、寶石珊瑚、吻搖、飛魚卵、螃蟹、鎖管等主要經濟漁種占我們國沿近海總漁獲約75% |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2801.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2825.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
也定有禁漁區跟禁漁渠此外針對寶石、珊瑚、吻瑤以及飛魚卵定定的總容許量TAC另外金沙、大白沙、巨口沙等平為物種皆以明文禁補各項的措施均有助於資源再生永續利用確保漁群不受過於那後續的這個部分於完成國內審議程序後 |
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禁述存放我國接受書,彰顯我國對保護海洋漁業之決心。第二、辦理協定國內法法相關作業,盤點並檢視相關法規及計劃。倘協定與規範存有落差,將啟動修訂程序,於協定生效之前完成修法的工作。其他漁業補貼議題談判雖位於 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2849.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2854.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
一百一十三年二月WTO第十三屆的部長會議達成構思本部仍將持續關注、參與並談判維護我國產業權益及政策空間節與WTO通過漁業補貼協定要求會員落實打擊IUU餘撈行為並減少過於資源的持續利用 |
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2868.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2874.868 |
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我國為海洋國家必當參與該項協定與各會員國共同維護海洋資源及產業此外,為兼顧我國漁業發展及符合國際規範我國持續強化漁業管理以及賀止IUU行為積極參與RFMO及國際合作並爭取漁獲配額並持續推動漁船限件、控制漁船數量執行船閥收購處理計畫以調整產業結構 |
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| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2906.897 |
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在資源養護方面對我國沿境海主要漁獲進行長期資源調查以瞭解我國資源並劃定淨漁區及獎勵休漁計畫讓資源有休息養生之機會未來將在兼顧漁民生計、漁業永續發展及國際規範下持續輔導產業配合相關漁業的資源與養護的這個工作確保產業永續經營感謝委員長期以來針對農漁業部門以及政策的重視與支持以上報告 |
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2933.634 |
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好,謝謝黃市長請回。我們接下來請經濟部陳正琦政務次長就第二案、第三案進行報告。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2963.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
主席、各位委員先進。承蒙貴委員會邀請就中華民國（臺灣（政府部分停止中華民國（臺灣（與薩爾瓦多共和國及宏都拉斯共和國自由貿易協定施行文書以及我國與宏都拉斯共和國堅致112年12月6日終止中華民國（臺灣（與薩爾瓦多共和國及宏都拉斯共和國自由貿易協定 |
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2964.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2979.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
下稱臺薩洪FTA等二案進行報告,寄請各位委員先進不定視角。第一部分有關背景說明部分,因為與外交部的報告大致相同,我直接報告影響評估。第一個,對我國整體貿易的影響有限, |
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| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
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台薩雙邊貿易情形在台薩間的FTA於97年3月1日生效,雙邊貿易額從96年到112年成長24%,達到1億400萬美元。薩國對我出口成長27%,我國對薩國出口成長23%。 |
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一百一十二年,臺薩雙邊貿易佔我國對外貿易總額之百分之零點零一。我國自薩國主要進口蔗糖、電容器、鋼鐵廢料、廢棉及咖啡等,都有其他替代性進口來源。我國對薩國主要出口塑化原料、機動車輛零附件、飲料等。我國與薩國間停止施行FTA對我整體貿易影響有限。 |
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第二、臺紅雙邊貿易情形臺紅兼FTA於97年7月15日生效,雙邊貿易額自96年到112年成長1.85倍,達到1億8800萬美元。紅國對我出口成長超過4倍,我國對紅國出口則成長65%,我國對紅國貿易逆差近4600萬美元,紅國為這個FTA的主要受益方。 |
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一百一十二年,臺紅雙邊貿易僅佔我國對外貿易總額的百分之零點零二。我國自宏國主要進口冷凍蝦、蔗糖、冷凍龍蝦、咖啡及鋁廢料等,都有其他替代性進口來源。我國對宏國主要出口塑化原料、紡織品、飲料、機動車輛零附件、風扇等,臺紅宗旨FTA對我整體貿易影響有限。 |
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第二、薩爾瓦多及紅國臺商的營運不受影響。節至113年5月底,我國對薩爾瓦多投資約5,651萬美元,主要投資項目為紡織成衣業。薩爾瓦多對我國投資約8.6萬美元,主要投資為批發零售業及技術服務業。雙方投資業者之營運都不受到臺薩堅停止施行FTA的影響。另、節至113年5月底, |
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我國對宏國投資約2,504萬美元,主要投資項目為紡織成衣業,宏國對我國投資約205萬美元,主要投資項目為專業、科學及技術服務業,雙方投資業者之營運也不受到彩虹間終止FTA之影響。 |
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在結語部分為持續協助業者開拓商機本部委託外貿協會舉辦購洽談媒合會並籌辦中南美洲拓銷團 巴拿米爾 |
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巴拿馬國際商展及拉丁美洲商機日等活動,以利我業者脫銷其他市場與分散採購來源。本案是重大國際案件。從111年11月薩國偏偏廢除台薩洪FTA以及112年6月洪國通知退出該FTA後,各部會都迅速延伤相關因應措施,為完備國內法制程序,懇請各位委員支持本案完成二讀程序。以上報告,敬請各位委員指教。謝謝。 |
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好,謝謝陳市長。那財政部關務署蘇副長有沒有要補充報告的?好,請。 |
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主席、各位委員先進。大家好。有關貴聯席委員會今天審查我國政府部分停止臺薩宏自由貿易協定施行文書案以及我國與宏都拉斯終止臺薩宏自由貿易協定案。 |
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一案那僅就財政部執掌有關的事項來提出說明那首先報告的是有關臺薩宏FTA、薩爾瓦多以及宏都拉斯兩國的優惠關稅利用率那麼薩爾瓦多112年的適用我們關稅第二欄優惠稅率的進口值大約是佔0.01%那麼宏都拉斯112年適用第二欄優惠關稅的 |
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進口值大約是佔93.46%。那麼接下來報告這兩案有關財政部在官務的作業方面那麼有關薩爾瓦多的部分因為薩爾瓦多他是片面廢除FTA有重大的一個違約所以我國也自112年5月15日停止跟薩爾瓦多之間施行這個臺上FTA那所以有關本案 |
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涉及優惠關稅以及關稅配合的部分,那財政部會是國內法律程序完成總統公佈以後,會令函周知相關的這個工協會來停止適用FTA。那至於我國跟宏都拉斯終止臺薩宏的FTA案呢, |
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那麼財政部已經依據海關進口稅則總則第二點之一的規定會商有關機關報請行政院合定之後在112年的12月6日公告從該日起原產自宏都拉斯的全部進口貨物停止適用第二欄稅率及其增注的相關規定另外財政部關務署也在112年12月12號發布修正臺薩宏 |
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自由貿易協定進口貨物通關作業要點也周知相關的業者有關臺鴻相關的通關作業的異動部分。以上報告,謝謝。好,請回。 |
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今天我們聯席審查我們巡曆時間會比較少一點請各位委員同仁把握時間今天本聯席會的委員4加2分鐘非聯席會的委員4分鐘我們10點半發言登記截止如果有臨時提案請在10點半之前提出我們會在11點左右視同仁發言情形來進行處理我們現在請第一位登記的陳廷輝委員進行詢答 |
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謝謝主席。我們是不是請外交部我們的長賜,陳長賜。來,次長請。陳委員早。陳長賜早。我想最近有一個新聞,就是說尼加拉瓜他日前開始擔任我們 |
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二、審 |
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謝謝委員這個問題的提詢我們對於剛剛您所關切這個議題非常關注而且會嚴加防範的確因為尼加拉瓜跟我們斷交之後跟中國的關係越來越密切那我們之前在中美洲議會 |
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二、審 |
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首先我們要指出中美洲議會以及SICA當然它的體制規範當然有些不同那因為在SICA這裏面呢六個成員國裏面我們至少還有我們的阿瓜利馬拉及貝里斯是我們的堅定的友邦那我們希望能夠透過說因為它所有的重大議事的決定必須要經過元首峰會 |
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二、審 |
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剛剛常志友說就是我們在這會員國裡面基本上我們本身跟我們友邦的有兩個可是比例也算是少舉手也舉不贏人家 |
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可是是以共識決為主?當然是共識決。就是說在共識當中,多數我們怎麼去掌控,這個多數我們不會受到影響。是。共識決一定是多數共識嘛。對不對?全體共識。對對。你當然是要全體共識啦。可是它是不是會受到影響? |
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基本上我們就是希望說如果有任何一個會員反對那我們現在至少也還有兩個友邦也就是說如果有任何一個反對就不會成為一個議決的一個決定我們有沒有辦法掌控他們的態度到目前為止因為是全體的共識嘛那我們只要掌控這兩個會員國 |
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我們基本上只要不要變成是全體的共識,它就不會變成是一個議決嘛。是,委員這樣的解釋是對的。對,所以我們現在要解釋給我們所有臺灣人民知道。是。所以現在大家在媒體這麼一爆,大家就開始了,那是不是會,我們這樣的一個國際組織又會被影響到,可是我們掌控了這兩個會員國,我們目前有掌控住嗎? |
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當然因為他是我們堅定的友邦,然後在各項議題雙方的關係非常的密切,這個友誼是非常堅定,也會全力來協助我們。 |
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我們再談另外一個議題,被騙,這個我們也知道說現在基本上中國就是用經濟開始在做一些所謂拉攏我們友邦的動作,那宏都拉斯就是一個最最最最直接的案例,所以我們也擔心做崗位有這樣的一個層次不同的一個詢問就是讓大家知道這是一個全體共識決, |
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所以我們還有兩個會員國但是我們也擔心這兩個會員國會不會因為又有所謂的中國的一個經濟的一些引誘 |
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而造成他們的態度有所改變。那我們就要跟大家說,大家要看宏都拉斯的案子。這個案例太清楚了。他當時候也是因為被引誘,然後中國給他很多的糖吃,結果不知道他是包著糖衣的毒藥。現在導致因為他的蝦農沒有辦法 |
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﹗ |
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這是最佳的案例所以我為什麼會用這兩個部分我們要很清楚讓我們的友邦知道我們臺灣對友邦是言出必行可是中國不是他給你的是包著糖衣的毒藥華而不實的承諾而且都是騙局像過去的一帶一路現在有多少的國家被騙了 |
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數不清吧數不清嘛所以數不清的這個國家被騙然後再直接我們的友邦用了這麼多的好的條件去吸引你然後去做這樣的一個跟臺灣斷交跟中國建交的目的達成之後就開始跳票了是 |
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所以現在宏都拉斯直接面臨的是中國因為的欺騙而造成產業的倒閉是的所以我們必須把這樣的案例很清楚跟我們友邦不斷的去做這樣的一個 |
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讓他們瞭解讓他們看到這樣的一個這個現實的一個狀態所以我覺得這個部分是比較重要的再麻煩我們外交部大家努力辛苦我知道現在外交部的處境其實要讓大家知道 |
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接下來我們進行詢答委員是鄭振淺委員 |
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謝主席,我想請一下外交部陳長赤還有農業部的黃正赤。來,兩位次長請。 |
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今天我們聯席其實有兩個主要的主題一個是具有一些道德高度的是針對馬拉喀什世界貿易組織協定的修正議定書的審議還有它附件漁業補貼協定這個部分那麼另外一個部分就是有關於審議就是終止就是臺薩洪FTA的案子那我想說針對第二個案子的時候其實就是因為斷交所導致的後續的一個相關的一個影響那我們當然是很不喜歡審到這樣子的案子所以希望外交部加加油 |
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二、審 |
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據有道德高度這個馬拉喀什世界貿易組織協定修正議定書這個部分還有我們漁業補貼協定因為到目前為止大概164個WTO國家裡面還有超過一半以上其實還沒有把這個送到我們的秘書處裡面去那我在想說外交部這邊有沒有去理解到底原因是什麼 |
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二、審 |
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二、審 |
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報告委員由於這個協定的這個部分它禁止補貼的部分是屬於IUU違法的這個項目還有過於的這個項目還有以及在公海作業的項目在本部漁業署的這個評估之下目前這三項的這樣的協定的修訂對我們的漁業的這個部分並沒有太直接的影響因為我們長期以來就是禁止IUU漁農協定的補貼 |
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我想問,因為其實上個月,現在我們七月嘛,六月份的時候其實還有蘇澳的漁船做那個割旗棄聲的這樣的一個動作。我想說,去年到今年年中為止,到底臺灣有多少這樣子類似的個案,是在違反IUU跟過於的相關行為?漁業署這邊請各位請做個說明。 |
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報告委員,上次說的這個部分的話,像這種違規的漁船,一旦涉及違規的話,那我們對於漁船擁有的補貼、漁率撤回並追繳,那所以基本上會對於這樣的一個行為予以懲處。是,那我問的其實是從去年,就是最簡單,從去年到今年上半年,總共有多少這樣子的個案?你們有沒有掌握? |
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這個部分的話,我們如果回去再統計再跟委員做答詢。因為我在想說我們做一個這樣的一個政策的一個決議的時候,我想說應該要先做有一些相關的一些評估,那我們現在到底有多少的一個 |
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韓國國籍遠洋漁船目前總共有多少艘?僱用多少船員? |
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我們目前的船有一千零五十艘那僱用的船員大概是兩萬兩千多人左右兩萬兩千多人嘛那大部分是本國籍還是外國籍?絕大部分是外國籍絕大部分是外國籍嘛那我想問一個部分因為農業部他在境外僱用非我國籍船員許可及管理辦法第六條裡面他有規定說要強制遠洋漁工必須要投保醫療險、意外險還有申僱險對不對? |
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到目前為止的時候因為沒有本國的國內保險公司願意承保這樣子的一個業務造成一個很多的困擾那針對這個部分的時候我想說我們政府這邊應該要怎麼去做針對沒有保險公司要承攬就是遠洋漁工的一個保險的一個部分 |
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這個部分的話事實上除了國內他沒有投保之外那目前的遠洋漁船他會尋求國外的這個的保險公司來進行投保那所以我們對於這個遠洋漁船的這個要求是沒有改變的所以目前在遠洋漁船上所聘用的這個外籍漁工的話每位都投保剛剛法律上所規定的相關保險那我們也有這個實際的做進行查核 |
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因為其實我們辦公室其實在3月份的時候有邀請農業部、勞動部、金管會、保險局還有移民署、法務部跟保險工會召開了一個協調會那麼當場的時候保險局是希望說鼓勵其實我們國內的業者要購買國內核准設立保險公司經營的保單所以發生糾紛的時候才有辦法處理 |
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但是問題是現在臺灣沒有保險公司願意承攬這樣的一個業務,那我們就是農業部這邊、漁業署這邊有沒有什麼樣子的一個因應的做法,我們接下來要怎麼去做? |
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謝謝委員的關心我們應該分成兩個部分第一個部分就是在我們沿境海作業的漁船那這個部分我們依照就業服務法引進的部分他本來就有勞保這些相關的規定那另外漁業組也另外協助那遠洋的部分就是他在海作業是在公海所以由漁船公司去向船東向不同的保險公司投保也包括國內也包括國外那大部分都是跟國外保險公司來投保 |
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我最後補充一句就是因為我們在當時的時候漁業署這邊曾經講過說我們漁業署會進行船員訪查和勞動檢查的部分那本期是要求其實我們漁業署這邊對於外籍船員投保的情形進行一些統計跟研究所以當你們在做訪查的時候我們希望說能夠把這部分落實那後續如何做請漁業署再到本辦公室來做報告 |
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二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、 |
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市長好我們過去曾經在2015年的時候因為IOU的問題被歐盟列入黃單然後漁業署也就開始來加強這部分的管制經過4年的努力 |
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2019年我們正式在這個歐盟正式將我們從這個黃牌名單裡面做這個移除如果我們這次能夠儘速的完成漁業補貼協定國內審議的程序然後呢儘速的這個存放這個接受書我在想就像剛剛兩位的報告所提到的確實可以建立我國支持環境保育這方面的這個形象 |
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當然很多國人也可能也都在擔心就是說這個協定如果生效之後是不是對這個我國的這個相關產業是不是有影響剛剛正式你也打得很清楚就是說其實不會有影響義工本來就是有這個這方面對於違法捕撈跟過於這部分其實都有一些法則在 |
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其實本席政政今天要關心的其實是另外一個議題,就是有關於就是我國漁工管理上的這個問題。那其中當然是包含了這個薪資、工時,還有生活條件的問題。那過去我國也發生很多次的這個海上的諜寫事件,其中包含了漁工這個外籍觀察議員。 |
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這對我國在國際形象來講其實是非常的這個是有影響的所以我在想呢我國的漁業管勞工管理可能會比IUU受到這個國外更多的這個關注那美國勞工部在2020年跟2022年連續兩次將我國遠洋漁業漁獲列入同工與強迫勞動製品清單然後呢 |
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有指出我國漁業涉及強迫勞動的這個問題那雖然說我們在這個2022年跟2023年兩度提出漁業與人權行動的計畫可是呢美國國務院在2023年的6月15號公佈的年度人口販運問題報告當中雖然是把臺灣被評定為第一級第一級可是呢美國政府還是 |
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再次的強調臺灣政府機關調查人力跟這個規定的不足這樣子呢會持續對臺灣籍的遠洋船對勞力剝削的鑑別調查跟寫作工作形成這個阻礙那是不是表示說我們短期內 |
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要從這個同工以強迫勞動製品清單這個黑名單裡面這個這個移除的話短期是不是有困難請問呃報告員呃有關於這個漁工勞權的這個問題的話那漁業署一直長期持續的在進行努力那有關於這個細節的部分啊今年啊漁業署署長也曾經親自到美國啊去與美方作為相關的這個會談那我們請這個署長來作為一下相關的這個補充 |
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謝謝委員我們從漁業與人權整個行動計劃裡面我們有多了49個檢查人力所以我們目前大概兩年左右會對所有我們的遠洋漁船訪查過一遍那就是了解問題解決問題那美國今年二月的時候他的勞工部次長曾經到臺灣來實際了解情形那在六月的時候我也到美國去跟他們說明這些相關的努力 |
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今年六月嗎?對,今年六月那美國勞工部還有這些相關的團體是相當肯定臺灣在漁業與人權方面對漁工保障的努力但是他們當然又舉出一些不足的地方包括因為人數非常的多那我們的訪查包括在國外不可能一次馬上完全做完 |
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數長,您所說的這個少數個案,所以美國認同這是少數個案嗎? |
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因為我在想這個美國的這個對於勞工部他這個同工以強迫勞動製品清單其實他是一個蠻有公信力的在國際上還是很有公信力的那去年還在提醒我們我們在調查人力跟規定的這個部族可能會形成阻礙等等那我們今年6月份有去做了一份報告所以美國是接受我們的說法嗎 |
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這是少數個案嗎?因為我們看了很多報導對於這個中國也好或是臺灣也好在國際上在遠洋漁業裡面我們算是在國際上是被抨擊的還蠻嚴重的一個國家所以這部分的話美國能夠接受我們的說法嗎? |
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我跟委員報告在6月15號公布的人口販運報告裡面其實裡面內容雖然擠出問題但是也肯定臺灣的努力裡面也提到說臺灣政府投入的60個調查人力相關的這些做的那我們在跟美國溝通裡面其實提到有幾個個案包括這些薪資的給付那他們也很強調臺灣為什麼是二元的聘僱方式那這個整個的問題所以處長你有信心就是說我們很快會從這清單裡面被移出嗎? |
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不管怎樣我們保障外籍漁工的人權這個方向絕對不會改變我們也會持續跟業界一起來努力因為我們所擔心的就是說臺美21世紀的這個貿易倡議的談判他有特別提到美方特別提到他非常重視強迫勞動這個部分 |
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尤其是對於臺灣的遠洋漁工的這個權益的問題在這個臺北21世紀貿易倡議談判五月份的時候就有特別的再一次的強調所以我們也擔心會不會影響到臺北21世紀貿易的倡議談判這個部分我想這個問題是一連串的那臺灣是一個人權與民主立國 |
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這也是我們在國際上立足很重要的價值。所以這部分我想漁業署一定要持續的來努力。是,我們會持續來努力。好,以上謝謝。好,謝謝羅敏玲委員。各位請回。好,接下來進行詢答的委員是沈伯陽委員。好,謝謝主席。有請漁業署,謝謝。來,署長。 |
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委員好總長好那這個最主要是根據今天的這一個要這個協定要做一些討論但是在這個之前因為昨天剛好有發生一個時事啦所以我想跟你確認一下就是說這一個我們有這一個捕魚的船嘛對不對被中國帶走是那這個因為我看到他們有說這個是一個休漁的一個季節啦那這個休漁這件事情就是禁止捕的這件事情是中國的還是臺灣的 |
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跟委員報告中國大陸他有一個制度就是服下休餘那時候所指的休餘在昨天我們漁船作業的海域裡面他是從5月1號到8月16號這個區域他們是休餘的那所以這個是指中國大陸的休餘不是我們的休餘不是台灣的休餘台灣沒有台灣個別漁種但是針對我們昨天作業的漁船他並沒有這樣的禁制 |
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好,那這個也蠻奇怪的,因為我看到新聞報導有說有中國的漁船,所以這個是有點疑義,但總之我只是想跟你確認這件事情而已。那再來就是根據今天這個漁業補貼,因為剛剛前面都有人問了,就是IUU的事情等等之類的,這個我不多說。 |
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我問幾個小問題就是說因為目前應該是要三分之二的WTO會員國才有辦法持續下去然後所以大概要110個國家那目前有76個會員國已經完成審議了那台灣如果審議完成了送出去就再加上去那我只是想問就是目前漁業組有沒有自己評估說大概什麼時候有可能會生效有什麼時候會達到那個門檻 |
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這個會看各個國家批准的程序但是從我們看這個整個程序還有從WTO我們代表團那邊提供的我們大概大家評估是大概很有可能今年就有可能會達到很有可能今年但是各個國家的狀況我們真的很沒有辦法因為有些國家有時候很慢對那如果是這個樣子如果是有可能今年的話有沒有目前針對生效後有可能產生的衝擊做一些評估 |
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是,跟委員報告因為這個目前這個漁業補貼它大概針對三個部分第一個就是針對IU漁船不能予以補貼那這個臺灣本來相關法規就很完備的那第二個就是對於過於的這些作業的不能補貼那臺灣本來對我們研進台都有相關這些漁業資源的評估跟整個相關的規定我想我們這個部分在整個符合法規的部分沒有問題那第三個部分就是在 |
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二、審 |
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所以那這個因為我看到另外一份報告有講到說你們會啟動一些相關法律的修正那這些法律的修正有可能會是什麼時候提出來嗎各位報告因為目前WTO其實也在進行第二段第二階段的漁業補貼的整個談判那我們根據這對這些相關的法規部分會隨時滾動來檢討OK會隨時滾動來檢討那希望院版能夠盡快出來因為這個有可能就是如果說按照剛剛講的年底就會生效的話我覺得可能要提早做準備 |
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是這個相關的準備都在進行OK那另外一個就是說遠洋漁業的問題剛剛前面已經有提到了所以我這邊不多說就是當然我們現在說這一個因為3個月就算強迫勞動嘛目前還是有到10個月的情形不過我覺得比較扯的還是Wi-Fi因為畢竟Wi-Fi現在韓國可以到這個3到5GB嘛或者3小時嘛那臺灣還是比較少一點所以這個可能就是慢慢再繼續減少改進這個我先不多講我要問的是下一個地方就是因為就是畢竟遠洋漁工它是一個重要議題 |
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那雖然還不在這一次的協商範圍之內但是我們想知道這三年內這一個死亡跟傷病數字的一個處理情形還有包含這一個遠洋漁船那也包含FLC就是它有一些違規的數字啊後續處理的傾向等等之類的那我不是三年我不知道會不會太多啦 |
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如果三年太多的話,或許近一年也可以。就是說我們可能還是要針對這個部分做一個評估。不然的話在接下來在下一次要討論這些漁業相關協定的時候,遠洋漁工的問題永遠都會被提出來。那被提出來的話呢,這些相關的數字不知道有沒有可能在這幾個禮拜送到辦公室來。 |
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沒有問題那我要跟委員報告其實我們非常重視外籍漁工在漁船上作業的安全那除了這些相關的訓練跟船長這邊的訓練以外其實我們從今年開始我們對每一個遠洋漁船上面每個漁工都會補貼一件充氣式的救生衣那就是讓這些漁工在甲板上作業能夠穿著救生衣避免落海以後發生危險我想我們從各個面向這部分會持續來努力那至於數據的部分我們整理之後就會送到委員辦公室 |
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此外,我可能後續要再繼續追一些跟遠洋漁工相關的問題。另外還有一個小資料,就是說這個FLC的這個漁船,因為目前來講,我看到網站上面會有一些不定期的更新。到底外籍漁工在這個上面的人數是多少?有這樣的數據嗎? |
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總委員報告所謂FOC就是它的國籍不在臺灣那這個有些是它當地國的管理那這個部分我們還要再進一步了解目前我們只掌握到跟我們報備經營FOC的這些船數那我們的規定也說它船上的這些外籍漁工它的相關權利什麼要比照國籍的漁船至於說人數各方面的部分我們目前還沒有進一步的資料目前沒有這個資料是 |
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主席不好意思我再請一下這個外交部次長很快謝謝 |
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市長好我這個很快這個就只是因為之前有這個發文到外交部問一下這一個他們的同性伴侶因為畢竟通常來講在外館他是第一關然後後來他可以再回到臺灣移民署是第二關那時候我們有發文說這一個就是 |
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謝謝,謝謝主席。 |
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好,謝謝沈伯良委員。接下來進行詢問委員,鄭天才委員。主席、國務委員,有請外交部還有農業部。好,兩位次長。 |
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兩位次長好我們先談這個中華民國政府部分停止中華民國與薩爾瓦多共和國暨宏都拉斯共和國自由貿易協定施行書這個從你的外交部的報告裡面提到這個 |
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一百零七年八月二十一日臺薩斷交後然後宣布薩國宣布自一百零八年三月十五號起廢除臺薩FTA請問一下外交部長這個我們為什麼要到現在才要要停止 |
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一百零七年八月二十一號就臺薩斷交了對不對然後薩國主動宣布一百零八年三月十五號要廢除臺薩FTA我們現在已經是一百一十三年了即便是 |
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一百一十二年你們有送到立法院當時從一百零七年八月二十一號斷交然後薩爾瓦多一百零八年三月十五號宣布廢除FDA 台沙FDA從一百零八年來講的話到現在也很多年了那為什麼 |
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第二個當然是我們報告裡面有說明的是他們自己內部的糖業協會有提出他們內部的一種所謂的法律程序。對。那另外當然也是包括因為還有WTO的我們有的通報的程序。那接下來是我們送到行政院、行政院到立法院的這種審議程序。那已經是112年了。我說從108年到112年很長的時間了。 |
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為什麼要拖到112年?為什麼要等他的憲法判決?我在問這個。你沒有交代啊。為什麼? |
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法委員,即使斷交之後,FTA還是有繼續存在有效的例子。所以,雖然當時跟薩爾瓦多斷交,但是我們的FTA仍然繼續有效。他宣布,那我們可不可以宣布?可以啊,不是不行啊。好,這個你在書面報告給我,好像很難回答。 |
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這裡面你提到外交部的報告裡面以構成重大違約那要追究啊,如何追究?有沒有追究?嗯,如果說是有這部分的情況,我們當然歡迎有啊,你已經寫了以構成重大違約,不是如果啊已經寫了,寫得很清楚了是所以這個部分你很難起口,沒關係書面報告給我因為時間的關係後面還有是 |
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所以因為你這裡面也提到了這個影響很少百分之對那個貿易總額均為百分之零點零一然後我出口的這些也很少我們去的也很少你說很有限嘛所以這個部分這個前後後做一個三十年的公務員 |
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一月補貼協定馬拉喀什世界貿易組織協定修正議定書一月補貼協定這個部分請教 |
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這樣的一個論述對不對這樣,WTO漁業補貼談判要求會員的義務包括這些,這個有沒有錯誤?第3個就是說 |
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報告委員齁,那個這個字面上的這個意義的話可能都跟我們這個WTO的這個條文裡面都有一些有若干的這個部分齁第一個不能補貼涉及非法捕魚的這個部分他涉及的是IUU的這個重大違規第三個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
二、審 |
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這裡面有提到這個後續相關工作是那我們先看外交部一頁補貼協定的內容有這個摘要摘要就有6項所以也不見你剛才講的沿洋一頁近海一頁也有包括有吧近海一頁是 |
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在近海的這個部分他有關於這個會過於的這個資源的這個部分我們要不能夠進行相當相關的補貼那因為我們都設有相關的禁漁區是還有禁漁區等那個這麼重大的事情是 |
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5435.464 |
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有沒有跟我們的漁業界來溝通,讓他們去了解,讓他們說明。是,報告委員,這個我們都有在持續的跟漁民做,做產業界來做溝通。好,這個部分,我來說最後,這個主席已經站起來了。這裡面,抱歉抱歉,最後, |
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後續的,這個裡面有提到,辦理協定內國法化相關作業,盤點並檢視相關法規及計劃,堂以協定規範存有落差,將啟動修正程序,以協定生效前完成修法工作。 |
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可以簡單說明哪些法律?謝謝委員。就裡面提到就是說,如果比如說IU漁業補貼,我們現在本來就已經禁止了嘛。那另外就是說,針對過於這個部分,針對過於這個部分,我們法規再更明確一點,然後讓相關的那個,那這個我們會滾動來檢討。那剛剛委員所提的第三個部分,其實是第二階段在談,目前各國還沒有共識。 |
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接下來進行詢答委員徐曉欣委員 |
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謝謝主席。我們請外交部常務次長以及這個農業部的漁業署張署長。學位好。 |
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雖然今天來的不是海巡署但是最近昨天發生的大事跟漁業署還有外交部我認為也有很大的關係所以有一點問題想要來詢問據了解昨天大禁滿88號在晚間8點10分金門復國敦東北角海域21里處在捕撈小館的時候 |
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突然有兩艘的中國海警船接近,然後放下小艇強行登檢。中國海警船控制船長跟船上的通訊系統,使得通訊系統中斷。兩艘海警船把這個船壓到中國維投方向行駛。我方派出三艘海巡艇到場,原本他們有兩艘海巡艦,後來增到七艘。 |
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像這樣子本來是大陸復席休餘期間的喔可是呢海巡署說後續將由陸委會跟漁業署透過兩岸管道協調路方那媒體報導的是扣押的船上與船上有一名臺灣的船長跟五級的母民的外籍員工所以我想要先請問一下我們的漁業署的署長 |
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在這個部分跟陸委會你們要怎麼透過兩岸的管道協商路方讓我們的外籍漁工以及我們的臺灣船長能夠順利回台? |
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謝謝委員的關心。我想有幾點必須要先說明。第一個部分,兩個部分兩岸之間本來就有很多海域是重疊的。是。那我們漁船作業的區域其實過去我們的漁船。當天他們是在我國管轄範圍還是不是在我國管轄範圍?本來兩岸之間就有很多海域是重疊的。那當原來他們作業的區域也是以往我們的漁船就是在作業的區域。嗯。 |
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這是第一個要說明的那第二個部分目前船上我們所掌握的是有兩名臺籍的船員包括船長還有三名印尼籍的船員大概是這樣的情形那第三個部分因為兩岸之間我們會透過陸委會這邊來跟陸方這邊來協商要求放人那我們也呼籲中國大陸不要為難漁民 |
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因為漁民作業非常的辛苦,他們也是為了養家糊口,那雙方能夠務實地協調解決問題,真的不要危難漁民,漁民真的非常的辛苦。那根據於葉署署長您的了解,因為您跟陸委會這邊應該也都,包含是海委會這邊,應該我們都已經做過討論嘛。那明明我們有三艘海巡船,為什麼人還是被帶走?請問你們是否有跟海巡署討論過為何會有此種疏失? |
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二、審 |
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但未來是不是我們的漁船、漁民都會置於風險當中?漁業署有什麼樣的方法可以協助?這會不會變成常態?漁業署能夠提供我們漁民如何的幫助跟保護?我們不去預測啦但是我們會告訴我們的漁民說這個相關的規定還有我們作業的海域的部分必須要注意 |
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可是你說有重疊的部分啊那他如果在重疊的部分裡面那他去撈魚的時候那被又發生同樣的情況該怎麼辦呢這個其實我們也希望中國大陸能夠尊重我們漁船作業的權利本來這個海域雙方的漁船都有在那個地方作業我們就尊重這些漁民作業的權利那我們臺灣也有跟其他的國家比如說臺日、臺非我們都有重疊海域其實雙方是透過協商去做相關的漁業管理 |
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那我們什麼時候會跟中國大陸去做協商?這個我們會跟陸委會這邊一起來努力。那一起來努力有沒有時間表?因為這個雙方的協商不是單方面。因為現在很急嘛。對,現在很急,因為我們希望兩名船長、兩名船員能夠台灣可能趕快回來嘛。那你們有沒有一個時間表什麼時候要來啟動這樣子的一個協商? |
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我想當務之急應該是讓我們的船跟人能夠儘速回到臺灣來保障他們的安全這個是第一個要做的部分那你們現在目前有沒有了解說跟陸委會這邊已經有向大陸這邊有一個確切的時間要來協商這件事情還是目前是完全沒有的情況今天早上我們跟陸委會這邊來聯絡陸委會那邊已經展開作業了 |
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我再繼續問一下外交部這邊雖然此事是由陸委會海委會長官但是我想問這個事情如果變成全球注目因為現在大家都很關心臺海兩岸之間的關聯性而且不只是兩岸關係也是全球都在關注這件事情請問外交部的態度是什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
韓國瑜 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
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那有用嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
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至少我覺得在目前為止很多其他國家包括很多在南海東海這些當事的國家都當然還有包括美國都有很多的相關的議題的立場的表態那這次有人表態了嗎這一次目前為止因為還發生的才發生而已所以未來會有其他國家來表態支持以及協助這部分我們政府是已經有海巡海巡署已經發布了我是說其他國家的部分 |
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你剛剛說到的是其他國家因為我們曾經發布的這個聲明稿所以會一起來支持臺灣支持中華民國那面對這樣子所謂不合理的待遇那請問這次我們所掌握的有沒有其他的國家會站出來支援我們這部分我們會繼續努力所以目前沒有目前沒有但是希望未來會有好 謝謝好 謝謝徐曉新委員各位請回接下來進行巡達委員林楚英委員 |
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謝謝主席,主席有請陳長賜來,長賜請林委員長次長好,我想這個中國這種所謂充滿了侵略性的行為跟行動剛剛前面很多委員都問到了昨天發生在我們的這個洪水域的這個船隻的事情其實我想舉的另外一個可能次長更了解這是一個最新的訊息我想外交部應該有接受到通報了 |
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就是中國公然是在法國的境內來威脅他們的異議人士直接把他們帶回去中國因此現在法國也做出了具體的行動就是驅離了兩位國安部的間諜他們稱為法國的世界報很明確地說這是兩名中國的間諜而且是中國國家安全部在中國駐法大使館的負責人跟他的副手 |
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那麼顯然其實中國對於所謂他們認為他們界定的異議人士啊他們在全球生出這種戰狼以外類似這種直接逼迫的行為已經也不是第一次了所以說面對其實之前我們提到的中國所發布的新的22條他對於台獨或者是所謂的相關他 |
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我們現在發布了旅遊警戒 |
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二、審 |
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但是我也收到了另外一個聲音就是如果當時沒有透過新聞或是沒有立委的質詢的話其實很多我們國家跟其他國家的旅遊地區有紅燈有橘燈有不一樣的旅遊警戒但是國人其實不知道最近會被注意到的原因是因為中國發布了22條的台獨意見之後 |
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大家注意到了包括陸委會宣布了它是橘燈所以我要問這個長次的就是對於這些旅遊警戒我們除了透過新聞稿發布之後民眾到底知不知道而這些民眾如果真的要去紅燈區或橘燈區那麼真的去了就沒有問題嗎 |
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需不需要透過跟包括交通部或者是相關的觀光旅遊的單位甚至於跟旅行社來聯絡你要去可以但是要不要簽一個相關的切結書了解自身的安危不然到時候變成是政府宣導不夠啊讓他們深入險境啊來長次 |
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是,謝謝委員您剛剛對這個議題寶貴的意見還有您的這個督促的確這個非常重要因為牽涉到國人旅外商旅的安全那剛剛您所提到臺獨城市二十二條這種常備管轄其實在很多之前的在這個委會裡面我們的討論都有包括這個部分那所以剛剛委員所提問說未來如果精進傳達的效率 |
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二、審 |
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二、審 |
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這些非常趨於嚴重的傾向我們要一而再再而三的提醒國人就是各種可能的風險因為這樣的一個新的趨勢必須要提加小心那剛剛我們除了說我也提到了出國那你到底要怎麼知道 |
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二、審 |
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二、審 |
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二、審 |
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那本席特別有了解一下比如像美國來講的話他們是有推出一個智慧旅行者的註冊計畫你一旦註冊之後那麼美國的國務院會主動的發email如果說不管你有沒有要去旅行或旅遊他有一些相關的旅遊的警示或警訊或是資訊就會提供給美國的公民或者是你有註冊者 |
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但是呢我們來看一下其實就像您剛剛講的我要問的就是我們其實有一個旅行救助指南的APP但是截至7月2號為止下載的只有47萬3千人對比我們臺灣你知道7月 |
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最近大家看到新聞都在講在機場裡面旅遊的人潮爆滿我們單單2024年3月就已經達到了132萬人次喔其實彼此之間是非常的不相當在這個部分我也會建議好好的去強化這個功能好嗎包括你去下載的時候你可以多一點的訊息跟提供因為現在大家都是人手一機啦這樣的訊息可以更直接更直銷 |
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好,謝謝委員的指教。我們會繼續努力在這方面去繼續加強。好,謝謝。好,謝謝林楚瑩委員。各位請回。接下來進行詢答的委員是林益君委員。 |
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主席好,有請外交部次長還有經濟部次長。來,兩位次長。委員長,早安。請問外交部,無論是內部還是外部的因素,目前我們台美關係是不是史上下是最好的關係呢?堅若磐石。 |
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那請問外交部2018年的時候美國對於包括臺灣在內的許多國家施加了綱領關稅那請問在2018年之後的幾年間美國已經陸續的延長還有完全豁免對歐盟還有日本還有韓國墨西哥及加拿大等國家的綱領關稅那既然現在臺美關係是史上最好的關係那究竟還有什麼理由不能要求美國撤銷對我們的綱領關稅呢? |
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報告委員這件事情我們跟行政院的經貿談判辦公室有合作一直在跟美方討論這件事情因為美國目前他這個整個的思潮上面對於這個鋼的鋁的他認為跟他的就業有很大的關係 |
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所以這些國家大部分像日本、韓國、墨西哥、加拿大是因為FTA所以他們在那個平台上來討論歐盟跟他們是在前幾年才達成一個協議雙方來因為歐盟有對他報復 |
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那麼彼此間就有達成一個協議至於我國的部分我們還是盡量來跟美國說服他說這樣對他來講是損人不利己啊所以我們希望美國也能夠撤除對我們的關稅不過這個可能需要看整個國際局勢的發展來跟美方討論 |
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因為據我了解今年5月美國已經宣布對中國大陸的鋼鋁製品還有起重機還有半導體等加徵高關稅所以尤其是對鋼鋁產品的話它關稅已從7.5%提高到25%所以請問一下那美國現在是汽車和飛機製造大國嘛 |
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二、審 |
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二、審查行政院函請審議 |
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事實上我們一直在跟美國討論這件事情因為美方的跟臺灣的他是我們的第二大貿易夥伴雙方的貿易關係千絲萬縷很多地方都需要進一步來討論現在在討論的這個21世紀貿易協定倡議這個部分也是一個很好的平台在上面大家都可以很好的來交換意見也不限於綱領而已 |
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所以其實鋼鋁產業其實是高污染高耗能產業但是問題是想要推動一個國家朝強大的工業的發展短期內鋼鋁產業其實是還是很難被取代的有一個重要性所以請經濟部和金盼的辦公室一起努力畢竟我們在免除鋼鋁關係上真的是已經落後其他國家太多了好不好是謝謝委員執照好來謝謝然後再請那個外交部和法務部謝謝 |
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有請法務部那請問一下上週五28號的時候印尼開始逮捕了103名在印尼巴黎島的從事網路詐騙的臺灣人那這個規模算是很大的組織喔那北希想要請教一下那個法務部根據媒體報導 |
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外交部曾對外說明經印尼方侵查以後103名的嫌犯都是臺灣籍的但是這些臺灣人在印尼做網路詐騙但受害的人卻是馬來西亞的華人因為印尼當局沒有辦法對這一群詐騙的進行、詐騙方進行指控所以很快就要想要把他們驅除出境那請問一下臺灣跟印尼目前有沒有司法互助的協定和協議呢?呃臺灣目前跟印尼呃臺灣 |
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包括為目前跟印尼沒有? |
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在2017年的時候,8月有一批大陸人和台灣人是不是組成了一個電信詐騙集團,然後在印尼被逮捕,然後送往中國大陸,但是在這個期間,我們的外交部駐印尼的代表有把22名台灣籍的有4名攔下來了,依照國籍遣返原則, |
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二、審 |
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對於這個部分我們這邊也會盡努力因為當然是希望我們也會盡努力就是尋找尋以往的方式因為能讓我們的犯罪人回到臺灣來受審當然是我們一直以來的努力的目標那就北京這邊是否已經發表這樣的意見我們還會再瞭解中謝謝 |
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好,所以如果是說,像剛才你說的,如果說回到臺灣的話,那我想再請問一下,103位詐騙犯全部遣送回來臺灣的前提之下,根據2016年通過的刑法修正案,把這刑法第339條第4條的加重詐欺罪,納入國外犯罪也是用,所以這樣的話,我們臺灣人在國外從事電信詐騙,是不是司法機關仍然會依照這樣的刑法來處罰呢?我這樣理解對嗎?哦,是。 |
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最後還是呼籲一下法務部現在臺灣的詐騙其實臺灣的民眾都是深受其害還有這些詐騙集團也跑到其他國家從事詐騙所以這個案件越來越多會嚴重影響到我們臺灣的國際的聲譽所以甚至我們國家會在臺灣開放簽證免簽的時候也會再三的考慮所以會影響到臺灣和鄰近國家的正常的商務往來所以要請法務部必須對這個境外詐騙 |
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事件一定要有效地整合各種機制,還有確實的方式,好嗎?接下來請王定宇委員執行。好,謝謝主席。麻煩余燁曙署署長。有請余燁曙。 |
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趙偉昭主席辛苦了我幾個問題要請教你希望清晰明瞭的讓國人了解我們彭吳吉的漁船大金門88號在金門的外面的海域大概也距離中國晉江深戶外大概11.2海里的地方我第一個問題這個地方是不是我們漁民傳統的作業的漁場是 |
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這個漁場跟中國的海域有重疊嗎?是,因為兩岸之間本來就有很多海域是重疊。特別基本那裡是重疊的。對對對。所以你如果用12海里的領海來算,其實兩邊是有重疊的地方。是。那重疊的地方,我第二個要問的是, |
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在那個地方作業的漁船不會只有這一艘大金板88號就你了解我國的漁船我國國籍的漁船在那個水域進行捕撈的大概有多少艘從昨天的那個他AIS的這些資訊當時應該有五六艘AIS就船舶的識別標準對對船舶就是我們 |
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主席主席主席 |
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不同的季節是撈補不一樣的東西所以在那裡作業的漁船數量到底有多少澎湖籍的啊或者其他的港口的你們到現在還沒有這數據嗎 |
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對,所以我在說那裡既然是傳統的重疊的水域過去都沒有事情這一次為什麼出這個事情然後我們的漁民要不要被警告或者被保護或者海巡署要增加變五艘、六艘 |
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二、審 |
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因為我們目前所掌握的狀況,這個漁船並沒有違反我國相關的法令。好,也就是說那裡是重疊的作業漁船、漁場。第二個,我們蠻多艘的漁船傳統在外面作業,不是只有大金滿。然後第三,這一個大金滿88號並沒有違反我國以及國際相關作業的法令。 |
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所以第四個要請教,在你們掌握的狀況下,過去到現在有沒有發生類似這樣的事情?就是文淳那好好的在那裡工作,以前都在這邊作業,就莫名其妙被這樣逮捕、押回去的。他還押回軍港,我一頭是軍港。過去沒有類似的案例。以前沒有類似的案例。那你們昨天晚上八點發生的,到目前為止,我相信發布會討論應該有你們參與在內。你們研判為什麼會發生這個事情? |
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他現在解釋是說這個是因為浮魚期間啊什麼的那坦白講如果我國的船隻侵入人家領海就像他們的船隻侵入我們澎湖的領海該抓就抓這個違反法律我沒有話講可是那個地方我該問下來其實重疊海域作業海域過去都有多少漁船在那邊作業為什麼這時候發生這事情 |
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我們不去預測原因,但是我想我還是要強調我們不希望中國大陸為難我們的漁民。那營救的方式,因為剛才有其他委員我特別請外交部以及我們漁業署還有海巡或者是我們相關的陸委會等等盡快讓我們漁民回來,這個是非常重要的。你們兩位先請回,我們請外交部次長 |
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市長我現在請教你一個問題這個問題其實蠻簡單的中國不管是在去年7月份的反間諜法那是全部的外國人包含台灣美國、加拿大、澳洲人都有這個風險美國在美國的商業部在去年就警告說違邦不入翻成中國是這樣的他去年就發布公告美國去年就公告了沒事情不要提 |
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投資標去、旅遊標去反間諜法是針對所有人沒有理由就可以去把你扣押、可以查然後呢另外他們的保守國家秘密法另外在剛剛這個禮拜發生的開始可以搜查手機、筆電等等當然對台灣還有22條這個台獨可以缺席審辦、最高死刑等等我們都知道 |
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去中國可能會有不確定風險這個不確定風險的意思就是人人都有風險有些人說不會沒有那麼倒楣不像不會是我這有點像疫情啊那個COVID-19 |
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死亡率0.5、0.3好像不是大家都會死但是那個風險叫不確定風險所以大家都呼籲要打疫苗嘛所以交通部就發布了到中國的旅遊的警示美國也發布旅遊的警示韓國更特別韓國CIA就是國情院也發布旅遊的警示日本今天在討論要不要發布旅遊的警示好這個是指去中港澳的旅遊警示我現在請問你一個問題引渡風險是 |
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我懷疑 |
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二、審 |
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當然你說我們出國旅遊大家自己要小心注意風險但是外交部對旅遊的警示是不是要增加一個引渡風險基本上政治性的刑罰各國基本上是不引渡的政治罪名不引渡那歐盟的話是該國有死刑的他不引渡 |
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所以目前就外交部的評估中國這種蠻橫的惡法我們當然可以不去那裡但第三地第三國的引渡風險有還是沒有高還是低這一部分其實在我們之前不管相關新聞稿或者說在譴責以及希望理念相信國家民主國家來共同反制中國這些破壞國際法 |
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二、審 |
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時間的關係外交部跟交通部要禁訴就第三國第三地引渡風險列警示如果沒有就正式說沒有最好還是由理念相近國家公開說中國這種法我們不吃這一套這個要國際合作這個外交部責無旁貸我最後這張圖卡謝謝你們一下因為我一直要找機會這一個國人回到臺灣一直請我跟外交部謝謝你們做了一件好事情 |
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這個新克里多尼亞這個名字都很難唸很多人不知道在哪裡這個是法國的屬地法國屬地呢三次公投他們都不想獨立他們都想做法國屬地最近法國為了讓他脫離還修改投票辦法就造成新克里多尼亞大暴動我們的國人先陷在那裡結果他們聯絡外交部 |
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接下來請賴瑞隆委員 |
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好 謝謝主席先請那個漁業署張署長來署長請署長先請教你昨天這個中國的海警來登我們的漁船把他給押回了我先問一下這個漁船他作業的這個水域的部分到底可不可以捕撈的可不可以作業的他作業的區域是兩岸重疊的水域所以是可以在那邊作業的 |
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對,過去我們的船也在那裡作業那昨天在那個地方作業除了這個漁船以外其實還有其他的漁船也在那裡作業所以過去以來也從來沒有被這樣的狀況這幾年都沒有相關的案例恐怕連驅離都沒有驅離嘛對不對所以驅離更何況還把他帶回所以這個是一個很異常的動作嘛我想這個不管什麼昨天這樣的動作都會造成漁民的不安也影響漁民的作業以往有沒有發生過這樣的事情 |
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沒有沒有發生過這樣近年來沒有這樣的案例從來沒有發生過這件事情所以我說它是一個異常的狀況嘛就是正常來說不應該發生的但是卻發生 |
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我再問一下,過去以往以來,不管是臺灣這邊或中國這邊的,我們一般對於漁船的部分,我們大多數也是採用驅離嘛,對不對?是一般是廣播驅離,這樣。廣播驅離嘛。臺灣有沒有把這個越境或到那邊來捕撈的,把它給抓回來過?你這個詳細執行是在海巡的部分啊。對,我問你, |
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國安有沒有嘛?署長你所了解多不多?我所了解的有,有這樣的案例不多嘛,這個絕對是一個特殊的案例通常都是驅離嘛,那如果驅離沒有辦法驅離的話他屢勸不聽的話才會做後續的動作所以即使有也是在驅離屢勸不聽狀況下才會把他給帶回嘛對不對?是所以這個是一個 |
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7460.135 |
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那更何況這樣的他待會的時候我們的人已經趕過去了也在關心這樣的一些狀況了嘛所以我也認為這個都是個異常的動作啦一般來說就算就算這個還是個重疊水域就算是入侵到了你的相關的水域的話你頂多就驅離台灣多數也都是用驅離的 |
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是,它有,這個在海域上作業有一定的程序。好,那現在他們已經把人給,船跟人扣回去了嘛,那接下來部分的話,如果就相關即使我是,好啦,就算我有爭議的話,一般會怎麼處理? |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
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7494.948 |
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我想我們會透過陸委會這邊跟大陸這邊來瞭解情形那後續的協商的部分後續的協商當然我們希望人跟船能夠儘速釋放我的意思是說即使越獄即使喔由越獄到了對方的這個去作業的區域去備那個話那 |
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7500.334 |
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過去台灣的漁船有發生比如說到印尼或者是到馬來西亞這些相關水域如果有被認為入侵水域要屬實的話通常是罰款 |
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7513.208 |
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7536.039 |
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那罰款應該就整個人跟船就放回了嘛,對不對?是。所以我們來後續來靜待這個處理好不好?就是說光能不能罰款都具有高度的爭議,因為這是一個大家都可以作業的一個水域。是,所以我們希望中國大陸務實處理不要為難於民。就不要為難於民。那就算正常狀態下其實應該趕快把人家放回來了,因為這是在大家共同可作業的一個水域。 |
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那就算就算最惡劣的狀況罰款也是都能解釋你更沒有理由把人不斷的扣下來是吧是好不好盡快我希望那個整個農業部跟外交部跟相關的單位要盡快去協調溝通這個其實大家是相互克制相互尊重但是如果過當的一些行為的話其實會引起臺灣人民的反彈跟不滿同時間又引起國際大家對地方局勢的緊張是不是刻意在製造一些事端來製造兩岸的緊張關係 |
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對,所以我們希望真的不要為難漁民,因為非常的辛苦,為難漁民沒有意義,而且雙方要務實來討論解決這件問題。好,謝謝。接下來我問一下,今天我們要處理這個協定的部分,我先問一下,我們現在的漁業的管理其實都符合相關的協定嘛,對不對?其實看起來因為這些,因為我們對IU本來就是強制的,我們更不可能去補貼它嘛,這是必然的嘛。是。 |
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那我在問的是,這個協定通過對我們的漁業會有產生任何的一些影響嗎?跟委員報告,其實我們初步評估,這裡面很多相關的法規我們都已經在執行了,而且我們漁民也都遵守這些相關的法規,所以我們初步認為在第一階段這個漁業補貼的協議通過以後對我們的漁業不會造成影響。不會產生影響。是。好,OK,好,謝謝,來,那謝謝署長請問,接下來要請外交部次長,陳次長。 |
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7622.105 |
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市長我先問一下現在我們的邦交國的關係現在狀況怎麼樣? |
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7647.383 |
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我看到最近從賴清德總統上任之後,其實中國這邊有很多不友善的一些行為,那幫教國的狀況還是希望持續來注意的。謝謝委員關心,謝謝。現在剩最後一點,我再問一下,前陣子大家都高度關注駐美大使余大磊的這些事情,那外交部內部討論過、了解、調查過了嗎? |
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最近的一次外會的這個會議裡面我們外交部理部長也都有做過很多說明了那現在這個程序在調查還在進行當中 |
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那裡面的部分部長有提到暫時不會做停止的調查嗎?對不對? |
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這是部長說的是的所以外交部目前的態度這樣那我要講的是說因為駐美大使對臺灣相當的重要那其實也是一個重要相當重要的一個職務那這樣的一個報導其實對駐美大使對臺美的都會有相當的一些影響我們希望外交部盡速把這個做一個說明跟澄清有問題該怎麼辦就怎麼辦如果沒有問題的話要盡速還這個大使清白不然 |
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我認為拖太長的時間對於整個我們的外交形象對跟台美關係我認為都會有一定的影響是的,外交部會在提交報告這個時間是最最短的最晚的時間兩週啦但是我認為應該提早完成因為並不困難事實並不困難那越早能夠把事實真相澄清迅速這個果斷的做處理的話該還人家清白的還清白有問題該處理就處理這樣才能夠讓大家對於整個駐美的大使狀況跟外交的 |
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謝謝主席。麻煩請外交部還有經濟部兩位次長。 |
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市長好今天因為我們有其中有提到就是針對中華民國政府停止中華民國與薩爾瓦多共和國暨宏都拉斯共和國自由貿易協定施行文書原本因為我們已經都斷交了 |
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對,是吧 |
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可是我們到112年才提出來,雖然是今天審,可是你們112年因為過界就不連續了,所以又提出來。那從108年到112年,經過4年的時間,在這裡我特別要提出來是,雖然FTA它可以持續,可是薩爾瓦多跟我們斷交以後, |
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二、審 |
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報告委員,薩爾瓦多因為他雖然斷交,可是FTA持續有效,也就是薩爾瓦多也持續施行...那我們為什麼112年提出來,為什麼?薩爾瓦多不要了,是嗎?不是,他持續施行FTA,那麼後來他的憲法法庭判決之後,他的海關才公佈說他停止施行... |
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就是他們停止了嘛今天如果是我們也可以有這樣的主導權你需要等到人家不要了憲法法庭已經說了我們才拿出來這裡審嘛這是我今天要特別告訴兩個單位因為我們不是一直主動一直被斷交一直被斷交結果你在其他的地方還沒有辦法有主動權這個部分你們自己去檢討還要說還要說什麼嗎 |
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接下來我知道他們可以持續可是你不要什麼都是在被動的單位好不好因為我們還有產業利益也是要協調是人家還在乎你的產業利益嗎結果他112年提出來的時候你還不是提出來了這樣你還可以說產業利益嗎除非我們有什麼損失這個部分你們自己去追究在這裡不要把國格都放在地上踩 |
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在這裡特別也要請教我們外交部次長就是說中共在上個月底它發布了關於依法懲治臺獨頑固分子分裂國家、煽動分裂國家犯罪的意見威脅要對臺獨分裂分子追究刑事責任剛剛其實也有委員都有特別提到所以陸委會也隨即宣布調升 |
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中華民國（臺灣（政府部分停止中華民國（臺灣（政府部分停止中華民國（臺灣（政府部分停止 |
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中國大陸是由陸委會去做處置沒有錯不過外交部對於世界各國發布旅遊警訊主要是外交部的業務那我們的各階段的旅遊警訊的標準是什麼參考的條件大概有哪些 |
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跟委員報告因為全世界各地隨時都有可能發生比如說天災、戰亂政治上的動盪或者說各種可能包括恐怖攻擊事件所以其實當然我們必須有這個責任義務去提醒國人有任何商旅、遊學、觀光出國的必要的時候我們要給我們的國人這樣的一個參考指標所以還是有嘛那因為陸委會已經對 |
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中共﹐中國的部分發出這樣的旅遊警示那像我們現在因為中共宣布的臺獨份子大概有15位那組織跟企業大概有8家上週其實有委員提醒中國跟55個國家簽署了引渡條款 |
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禁本席辦公室查詢其中大概有39個國家它都是已經生效了而且這裡面不乏國人常去的國家比如說像泰國、越南、南韓、南非、法國、義大利等等總共有39個國家而且依據美國國務院 |
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負責東亞跟太平洋事務助理國務卿康達上個月底其實他在出席眾議院聽政會的時候也曾經說大陸採取升級的舉措基本上是在境外適用中華人民共和國的法律跟法規那這個也會讓我們擔心的是中共可以使用引渡條約來要求簽署國引渡被中共認定的台獨份子嗎? |
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政治犯當然沒有辦法這樣認定政治犯是由簽署國去認定的可是像這樣子的引渡的可能性你們怎麼判斷? |
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目前當然我們剛剛有很多委員在這個議題上的關注我們第一步應該當然是說對於剛剛我也提到這五十幾個國家或是說已經生下的國家在出去這個其他旅遊的時候觀光或是個人目的的出訪可能有這樣的風險我們要大家提醒但是我也是想說會不會案例發生的時候的處置措施那我們目前能夠做當然是要跟至少 |
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二、審 |
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二、審 |
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二、審 |
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﹗ |
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我還要再詢問一下外交部委託捷克與第三方援助烏克蘭的部分這個我們在五月份吳釗燮部長在的時候就已經提到提供一千萬美元捐助給烏克蘭這個需求的清單出來了沒有目前我們應該是說這個案子還在跟解放在協調當中 |
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你們當時在這裡公開的說在6月份其實就會有需求清單因為你是要緊急去協助他們的需求結果你到現在7月的這個已經過了很長的時間你們本來說要提供清單到現在還在協調我不知道要協調什麼先把清單提供給本席還有我們委員會好不好什麼時候可以提供 |
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我們盡快提供 |
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接下來進行詢答的委員是紅森漢委員。 |
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請這個外交部陳次長跟農業部的黃次長來兩位次長 |
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歡迎光臨。威教部跟農業部,我們今天要審查這兩個協定跟議定書。當然這是一個很好的機會,之前其實有幾個在台的外籍的漁工組織, |
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二、審 |
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那也很多這些僱主他沒有幫外籍公務來做保險所以當有船員死亡的時候才沒有拿到賠償那這都是我們自己辦公室遇到很真實的案例 |
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市長,我們這幾年在遠洋漁業上面受到國際上面的壓力大不大?報告委員,持續一直都有受到國際上的壓力。是,所以不論是2015年被歐盟列入這個打擊IUU漁業不合作國家的黃牌,或者是2020年、2022年又被美國列入同工及強迫勞動製品清單,那這次在臺美21世紀貿易協定談判上面,其實我們的遠洋漁業也一直是受到被關注的對象。 |
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那我想問次長知不知道我們在今年的今年五月的時候歐盟其實通過了一個竊永續禁職調查指令所謂的滴滴法知不知道知道嗎是那目前這個法其實生效了那歐盟這個法齁 |
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其實很多專家都提醒他很可能會衝擊到臺灣的原糧漁業那我們之前拿掉了歐盟IUU的黃牌但很多人擔心不用多久接下來又要面對這個滴滴法的制裁那這部分我想知道目前漁業署或外交部我們有沒有做什麼相關的準備 |
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報告委員事實上我們現在針對這個漁業勞動以及人權的這個問題的話那持續在做改善改進當中所以基本上像剛剛委員所說的薪資的這個部分我們已經立法強制要求這個必須要直接匯入到這個漁工的這個這個戶頭那還有相關的這些事實上我就直接問好不好因為我們今天在外交國防委員會現在歐盟新立的新通過的這個企業永續禁止調查指令 |
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那他已經上路了我們農業部有沒有對這個法規進行評估或影響我們未來會持續關注所以還沒做還沒做嗎 |
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五月,人家五月就通過,今天七月囉。各位委員報告齁,大概有幾個地方要澄清啦齁,要說明一下。第一個那個Duty Diligence本來就是我們在整個做漁業管理的部分,包括漁工權利保重的部分,本來就要做這些部分。對。這大概第一個部分。那第二個部分,歐盟先初步通過的法案其實是針對大企業的部分。對,沒錯。那我們遠洋漁船都是小的那個漁船,或者是比較那個。但是你的遠洋漁船, |
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接下來如果他把貨賣給大的水產企業的時候就會面對這個相對應的問題啊所以我們現在從幾個面向Duty你僅是他去查的幾個部分包括勞犬的部分包括這個漁業管理的部分我們必須把這個前端整個做好我們才能夠因應後端這些整個的調查是但是我現在要問的是說現在歐盟剛通過的這個法規我們有沒有去做相關的法規的影響評估或盤點 |
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弄清楚我們可能現在我們的遠洋漁業的運作的方式裡面或模式裡面哪些部分可能未來會受到影響這部分農業部有沒有做了嗎?我的問題是這個嘛目前評估正在會委託相關學者專家來做但是我們內部初步檢視我們目前的法規會受到影響的部分我們必須要去強化或者是管理面的部分不過完善的地方要去強化的地方這個我們內部已經做過評估 |
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那哪些地方會受到影響?包括我們比如說公使的登記啊公使的登記人家看你說你到底每天的工作是不是符合那個我們必須在這些公使的登記必須更完善那另外就是整個在保育啊或者是相關的部分我們這些法規的部分文件的部分必須更完善蘇洋你剛才說的沒錯他可能會針對比較是大的這些水產企業對不對可是我們的這些遠洋漁船是供貨給他們啊 |
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所以你還是在一個供應鏈的關係上啊沒有錯所以如果他去要求這大的水產企業的時候間接的還是會影響到我們的遠洋漁業啊 |
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所以我們在漁業與人權裏面有強調一個就是企業也要一起來做包括FIP的部分就是把前端這個管理面做好日後我們再因應這個禁止調查的部分就不會受到影響我直接問次長好不好次長我想問因為之前去年羅振偉有講到羅秉成政委其實有講到 |
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針對歐盟的這個切永續禁止調查指令的上路那政府會先研究跟提供相關的指引跟輔導那我想問現在農業部或漁業署那目前這個指引跟輔導已經出來了嗎或什麼時候會出來目前指引的草案已經出來了而且已經經過了幾次會議的這樣的一個溝通那在六月底的時候還會再召開一次六月底過了 |
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那預計什麼時候會出來? |
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跟委員報告有沒有時間表我們次長剛剛所解釋的就是針對漁船上的管理指引跟Wi-Fi的指引這部分我們大概近期資料收集完整以後近期就會再召開一次會議我們希望越早越好因為這是大概對臺灣來講很重要那另外我們針對Duty Leasing大概就是不同面向的去盤點法規的完備那這個部分我們希望剛剛次長講的應該是針對Wi-Fi的部分的指引嘛但我現在講的是針對DD的部分的話那這部分還沒有開始盤點嘛對不對 |
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內部做盤點還沒有請外部來協助。那這個我們後期會加快效果。蘇長,什麼時候給一個時間點吧。什麼時候,我現在講的是針對滴滴法的部分。什麼時候能夠盤點結束?什麼時候指引跟輔導的措施可以推出?我們希望做一個務實而且也前瞻的。當然當然,我們都希望務實嘛。年底以前能夠有初步的查案能夠出來。年底嗎?年底會不會太久?現在幾月了?現在還有半年了,年底。三個月內可不可以? |
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好,我們盡力三個月內,好,那這部分麻煩,那我後面那個主席我再講一個事情我知道現在在農業部的願與人權行動裡面有講到說要做國際合作的部分的深化那你們有包括跟漁工的來源國要進行相關的合作我有聽說你們在這個要跟印尼簽署遠洋漁工保護的MOU那這個MOU目前的進展到什麼地方 |
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目前我們已經把我們的草案提供給印尼那因為印尼他有相關部位在負責這個勞工的部分那目前包括駐印尼的代表處也在協助、協商那目前在等印尼方面的回饋相關的意見我想這個MOU有沒有邀請我們自己國內的NGO或者是漁工團體一起進來討論因為目前我們提出來的部分我聽說印尼 |
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二、審 |
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二、審 |
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是所以這可以嗎?可以啊沒有問題那這個剛才說到兩個月的三個月的時間把滴滴法的相關的評估也包括指引輔導的措施要推出好不好這沒有問題好那到時候推出的請送外交國防委員會也包括經濟委員會因為還有很多協商細節的部分我們會來努力好謝謝謝謝洪聖恩委員來各位請回 |
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我們請次長跟這個外交部的次長還有拉美斯的副司長 |
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委員長。 |
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市長 這個美國的入境戰爭學院拉丁美洲的研究所教授艾里斯他有說中國近期透過瓜地馬拉的這個媒體人士那用非常豪華的這種旅遊來去換取他發言比較親中那比較仇臺的言論我想請教這個這種試圖要影響臺灣跟瓜地馬拉的關係的這個部分大家有沒有掌握到有 謝謝我們這部分一直持續都在努力的掌握當中 |
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那這一些具體其實很明顯就是開始已經直接就進入他們的媒體群然後甚至透過社群網路在做影響我國跟我們所剩不多的邦交國的這個邦誼的狀況之下我們有什麼反制的措施? |
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各位委員報告其實我們目前在邦交國在顧邦的措施方面其實不只行政部門、國會、智庫、媒體、意見領袖還有包括地方政府其實如果我們能夠握得手能夠接觸的對象只要能夠有助於我們鞏固邦交我們幾乎都竭盡全力希望能夠把這些關鍵的可以讓我們的邦交更鞏固的都會努力去做當然包括對於中國的步步進逼的訊息這些情報的收集也是我們重要的 |
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所以這些媒體人士他到中國去落地招待之後,你有沒有比對他前後之間的對話,前後之間在攝取媒體的發言,前後之間在他所屬的這些節目的這些內容? |
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最主要呢是不是有每一個案例都有這樣做我們不敢這個特別的保證但是委員你剛剛特別提到一個重點如果他是真正產生意見的整個趨勢跟導向可以改變的話那當然我們要注意而且要防範而且我們不是只有說注意他的這個動向我們也有我們的反制措施包括 |
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我們也有我們可以去協助我們這些比如說智庫或者媒體或者是學者也可以幫我們講話包括投書等等所以您剛剛所提的這個部分我們當然以後會繼續加強去了解判別 |
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除了固邦當然另外一個很重要的就是隆邦我記得林教授部長他在宣誓的時候他說不僅要固邦還要隆邦所以這相關包含在中國在拉丁美洲地區的步步進逼也是我們重要的邦交國或前邦交國那如何確保我們的外交利益不用說到利害我認為ODA是一個方式各位具體來說明一下我們最近在拉丁美洲的一些相關的ODA的這些項目 |
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最主要我想在拉丁在拉丁美洲地區呢因為我們在每一個邦交國甚至不只邦交國都有派遣包括農業方面公衛醫療資訊還有人道還有婦女婦權青年教育等等各種各樣的這種計劃但是我們林部長最近所這個接觸的這個所謂榮邦呢其實就是要借重 |
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9085.559 |
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不僅是讓我們的友邦跟我們的關係更加鞏固而且是就它長期的永續發展它的產業的這種還有社會的韌性等等這些各個層面我們所具有優勢的地方包括作為他們比如說任何的產業的健檢體質還有他們對於未來發展尖端某種科技產業他們有什麼切入點 |
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9103.784 |
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9118.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
這些都是我們現在在努力的目標也就是說在民主、同盟跟所謂的經貿外交這三個三管旗下的策略方面那在拉丁美洲我們比如說在巴拉圭我們可以坐5G可以坐電動車可以有這個科學園區等等這些都是因為我們過去成功發展的經驗其實就是我們最專長的地方也可以貢獻的地方這個我要特別再補充 |
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9127.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9152.436 |
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你剛剛講到五軍講到電動車這些我們專長的地方如果我們沒辦法做出差異化的話那我們的量絕對是輸給中國當然因為他們也在瓜地馬拉也會在巴拉圭做你上訴做的事情只不過是我們量的3倍到5倍甚至是10倍所以這個部分我是希望說可以具體來思考一下怎麼樣透過包含你可以說GCTF的跨國研議的合作不要只有我們一個人單打獨鬥 |
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9153.356 |
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9153.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
謝謝外交部,我們請農業部的漁業署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
9191.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9196.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
委員好,署長可不可以大致簡單說明目前臺灣的這些漁業的補貼措施的方向? |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
9200.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9227.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
我們目前漁業補貼大概分成幾個部分第一個就是漁船作業的部分包括我們的用油補貼另外一個就是漁船作業安全的部分包括救生衣這些相關的補貼另外一個就是我們在漁業管理上包括我們補貼一些VMS的通訊費用這些相關的大概是目前我們這幾個的主要方向我大概簡單講大概就是漁業用油然後所有人的保險那還有AIS或者是船位監測系統VMS設備等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
9228.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9246.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
我必須要強調這些補貼我們完全是支持但是組長我們目前雖然獲得歐盟取消黃牌但是我們還是遭美國列入同工與強迫勞動的製品清單裡面所以說我們在輔導的責任必須要兼顧國家的生育還有漁民的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
9248.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9248.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
於是,我們目前有兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
9275.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9275.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
二、審 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
9300.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9318.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
我還是要強調十年前的特洪興遠洋的這個案件那是一個非常重要的警惕那我們能夠多做就多做是好謝謝蘇長好謝謝陳冠廷委員好各位請回接下來進行巡達的委員莊瑞雄委員莊瑞雄委員莊瑞雄委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
9318.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9342.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員不在中嘉兵委員、中嘉兵委員、中嘉兵委員不在楊瓊英委員、楊瓊英委員、楊瓊英委員不在張祺凱委員、張祺凱委員、張祺凱委員不在吳思瑤委員、吳思瑤委員、吳思瑤委員不在洪孟凱委員、洪孟凱委員、洪孟凱委員不在接下來進行詢答委員是蔡易瑜委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
9357.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9362.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
謝謝主席。那我們是不是有請我們外交部次長。來,次長請。蔡委員好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
9369.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9392.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
市長,最近這個蒙古,外蒙,應該不應該稱外蒙,現在叫蒙古國,這樣的一個國家,最近在立法院鬧了很多笑話,甚至還在說蒙古還是中華民國的一部分,這個完全媚於國際事實。那基本上在今年6月5號的時候, |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
9393.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9412.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
我們駐臺的這個烏蘭巴托的一個貿易經濟代表處特木爾他有來跟我見面那他有去講強調的是說臺灣人入境蒙古已經可以透過網路就可以申請電子簽證也就是e-visa |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
9413.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
9431.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
那對應的蒙古人來到臺灣是還沒有辦法有EVISA這樣的一個交流。那基於平等互惠的原則,是不是我們應該評估對蒙古也應該要來開放EVISA電子簽證呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
9432.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9451.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
報告委員,其實的確盟方對這個議題一直在遊說我們,所以他跟委員來提報這樣的事情,我們也覺得說這個事情一直在評估當中,但是我們有含括了很多各種的考量,所以目前是還沒有說做出最後決定的階段。 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
9452.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
9452.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
二、審 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
9472.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9472.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
二、審二、審二、審 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
9494.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9519.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
台灣跟蒙古的交流是很深厚的。是的。在蒙古他們的檢察官基本上都是要來台灣來授訓一段時間,然後再回到蒙古去做檢察官的一個去執行的任務。是,所以的確我剛剛有提到各方面。所以我們台灣跟蒙古有太多的交流,包括在在整個醫療方面也是有很深的交流。是。所以大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
9520.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
9520.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
二、審 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
9551.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
9571.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
市長你知道臺灣跟日本最近的地方在哪裡?是不是那個我不是亞太專家跟日本是不是宮古島還是沖繩還是納瓦我剛剛沒看到你嘴形 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
9572.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
9587.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
跟與納國大概就是臺灣跟澎湖的兩倍距離啦。臺灣跟澎湖大概是59嘛,跟與納國大概110公里。那由院長,由錫勳院長,前院長,他不斷地在推動臺灣跟與納國的執行。 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
9592.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9616.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
所以他在他任內他有成功的一次性的一個執行但是那個一次性的執行事實上對於因為與納國在日本的納坝省沖繩所以他一定要把他的海關調來與納國那裡才讓我們這裡執行的人才從與納國直接入境但是這個與納國他這個島很特別啦他跟臺灣這麼近 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
9617.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9623.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
日本人事實上都說這個島跟日本太遠跟臺灣太近所以那個島與那國島的日本人講台語捏 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
9634.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9657.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
我現在是一直在想說我們能不能透過外交部你們來遊說來跟日本這邊溝通能不能讓與那國的這個海關他們的關口變成常態化那臺灣人到與那國不管是這個執行後的這一個交流一定是非常的興盛 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
9658.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9669.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
因為你看臺灣人你只要我們到澎湖大概現在一個半小時就到了所以你到漁納國三個小時就到了你早知道7點出發你最早就要在日本吃做船嗎?做船阿 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
9671.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9687.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
做船阿你現在因為沒有執行我們現在要去尼拉古要怎麼去你知道嗎我們必須要先坐飛機先坐飛機到沖繩要坐飛機到沖繩然後再從飛機再轉機到尼拉古就是因為要入境的這個問題當然這個不是我們國內的問題我們國內是有這樣的期待但是日本看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
9696.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9702.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
他們可能會反而說,啊,漁那國的國民可能會比較愛臺灣還是什麼,覺得臺灣比較好,說他們要做臺灣人,這個我不知道啦。過去曾經,漁那國曾經有這樣的一個倡議啦,他們要加入臺灣,啊,不管。 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
9712.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9731.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
我是覺得來推動如果臺灣可以跟與那國執行那與那國這邊如果可以開放讓臺灣人可以直接入境我覺得對於我們臺日間的交流又在這麼近的一個距離裡面會是一個很棒的交流我覺得外交部可以去努力看看好不好好謝謝委員的建議我們來努力看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
9731.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
9747.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
好,好,加油,謝謝。謝謝。啊,守航要走下去。對,我直接替你說這句,如果建立關卡守航的話,我們就跨委員會邀請蔡議員。好,感恩,謝謝召委。啊,蒙古的那個一通關的話,有的話你也跑一下蒙古。好,我八月去。謝謝蔡議員。 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
9750.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
9775.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
今天已登記質詢的委員除不在場外均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束本日會議有黃仁委員、林黛樺委員、張家俊委員、楊瓊英委員提出書面質詢請列入記錄並刊登公報相關機關已書面於兩週內答覆聯席會各委員並複資聯席會另外有口頭約定的時間以口頭約定時間為準 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
9780.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9802.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
現在我們要開始審查這三個案子首先我們審查討論事項第一案請議事人員宣讀名稱及條文馬拉喀什世界貿易組織協定修正議定書漁業補貼協定第一條放為第二條定義第三條有助非法未報告及不受規範漁撈行為之補貼第四條涉及已過於漁群之補貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
9807.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
9833.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
第五條,其他補貼。第六條,低度開發國家會員之特殊規範。第七條,技術援助和能力建構。第八條,通知及透明。第九條,機構安排。第十條,爭端解決。第十一條,最終條款。第十二條,如果未採用全面的規範則終止協定。宣讀完畢。在場各位委員,對於第一案的通過有沒有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
9835.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
9846.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
沒有的話我們第一案照案通過提報院會接下來審查討論事項第二案及第三案請醫生員宣讀第二案名稱及要旨。 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
9848.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
9859.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
中華民國（臺灣（政府部分停止中華民國（臺灣（與薩爾瓦多共和國暨宏都拉斯共和國自由貿易協定施行文書。中華民國（臺灣（政府只依照1969年5月23日之維也納條約法公約通知薩爾多 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
9865.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
9874.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
共和國政府（中華民國（臺灣政府決定停止與薩爾瓦多共和國兼施行臺薩洪自由貿易協定並將至2023年5月15日起生效。宣讀完畢。好,就第二案的部分,各位有沒有異議? |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
9888.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
9901.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
第二案照案通過提報院會第三案因為是條約中止案依照慣例不予宣讀所以第三案各位有沒有意見沒有的話我們第三案也照案通過提報院會 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
9906.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
9931.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
今日馬拉喀什世界貿易組織協定修正議定書及其漁業補貼協定案有關部分停止中華民國（臺灣（政府與薩爾瓦多共和國暨宏都拉斯共和國自由貿易協定施行文書案以及終止前開自由貿易協定等三案業宜審查完略分別擬據審查報告提報院會請問在場委員院會審議前是否交由黨團協商 |
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9938.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
9939.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二、審二 |
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9964.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
9965.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
韓國瑜主席韓國瑜主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
9987.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
9987.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
二、審 |