| IVOD_ID |
160578 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160578 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-23T13:36:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-23T13:50:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/27ac2f54fdf75cc0c10d6f1f8cf44aa44d63fb5309bb2e637bdb191357f7ebfac29c834b6071bf875ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:36:50 - 13:50:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、財政部次長就「國家社會福利政策財源檢討及偏鄉兒童發展篩檢執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月23日及24日二天一次會】） |
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那個 謝主席 麻煩請那個 威福部長委員好 |
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部長好 我調整一下我要問的這個問題的順序因為剛剛剛好連續前面兩位委員都是在談這個離島的這個醫療那當然我來自台東我還是一樣也要關心這個剛剛莊瑞雄委員提到的這個綠島的這個問題 |
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那當然這個綠島居民跟這個台灣居民一樣都是他們應該都要有這個享有同樣醫療照顧的權利那他們的這生命跟健康也不應該因為距離而被延誤所以目前那這個衛生所是這個整座島上唯一可以仰賴這個急救醫療的據點 |
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那如今呢三人輪班制的醫師缺額懸缺兩年了只有靠這個台東馬街一個好心的這個醫師來支援那現在這位醫師六月即將離職所以整個這個綠島的衛生所24小時的服務可能中斷那當然我提這個 |
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例子這個今日的綠島可能是明日的澎湖或者明日的哪一個外島都是一樣的所以我想切入正題我想今天這個醫師他這個6月份即將離職然後這個懸缺補不上這個問題 |
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顯示了幾個就是說當然凸顯了就是說整個醫療制度在很多的這個不足那特別是我們對於這個偏鄉離島地區這個醫護人員的這個誘因是一個很大的問題那我想就這個短期面臨到的這個問題我就直接問你們 |
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因為我覺得我實在沒有辦法容忍說你們還要等到什麼時候才可以補這個缺額我只是在這裡想要要求說部長你們能不能立即啟動緊急人力調度來應變這樣的一個狀況有沒有什麼樣的機制你們可不可以立即啟動怎麼樣的機制來彌補來遞補這樣子的一個六月份即將發生的狀況 |
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謝謝委員 這個也是我們一直在想用各種方式第一個當然過去都是用獎勵讓他薪水高一點那是不是有可能這個又牽涉到整體 |
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整體的那種新資的就是說所有的偏鄉離島山地離島是不是都要做處理還是說因為缺了這個就再補這個這個我們會去分析利弊第二個就是 |
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是不是請台東的醫院我們給他多一點融合我想你現在講的都緩不濟急我現在就簡單的問六月就要缺人了我們現在是目前有跟衛生局在談立即啟動備援方案其實衛生局是負責當地醫療資源的調配但是如果他需要怎麼樣我們當然中央一定來支持不管是 |
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要融合啦那基本上整個當地的資源衛生局其實是要負責去調配啦所以但是有人關心這個我覺得是真的是重要所以我們 |
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其實也一直持續在跟衛生局看看哪裡可以調人力你什麼時候可以回覆本席就是你們如果目前他們正在調度那你們是不是可以更積極來協助我想我們回去請照護師、醫事師相關的我們一起來開個會 |
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馬上來找有效的方法立即來解決這個問題對啊你們就是要想窮盡一切的方式趕快來補齊嘛因為我想部長你應該沒有辦法忍受就是任何一個離島在半夜有病患有什麼狀況卻找不到這個醫生 |
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所以這個就是你急迫需要面臨的功課啊好 我們立即啟動所有的資源跟辦法來解決你不要立即啟動 結果到六月份還一樣沒有人我們一定全力以赴你什麼時候可以給本席回覆你立即啟動 你們現在開始演繹因為我一定要給你一些壓力啊不然大家就拖我們在和時間賽跑 |
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因為如果是六月要離開我們當然是希望在六月前有的力氣補他這樣子對 所以我是說你們現在啟動機制你這個機制你一定要在六月前確認你啟動之後你什麼時候可以回覆我們兩個禮拜以內來完成會議的一個可能有可行性提出方案然後來進行這過程當中也會到委員那邊做報告 |
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好 謝謝 那我希望兩個禮拜之後可以有一個圓滿的答覆那我們就再等你們兩個禮拜我想這個問題所凸顯的這個短中長期的問題或者我們應該做一些修法或一些專案的規劃我們則日再來討論那另外呢我要再請另外請那個國建署署長也一起上來那我先請教部長是 |
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加熱菸健康風險評估審查會議需要三分之二委員的同意才能通過是不是這樣 |
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兩年前的規定那個時候的辦法就是這樣子規定那辦法嘛 辦法要點是這樣子嘛對要點要點那好我們繼續齁那今年二月份這個國建署針對加熱菸的健康風險評估審查會議貴屬的大家眾所皆知的這位 |
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地下甲署長我們的甲副署長在會議開始時他就自行的這個宣布他突然這樣宣布就是說通過風險評估須獲得三分之二委員同意那他表示呢此違法規定 |
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但是在會議開始之前沒有任何委員曾經被告知這樣子的一個規範那我簡單跟大家報告一下2月15日出席14人同意8人有8票那不同意的有6票那因為主席才是就是這個 |
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就是說他沒有達到這個法定通過的這個人數三分之二所以當然那一次就沒有通過了3月10號出席15人同意10人然後不同意有5人所以看起來有到三分之二但是他還是不通過因為他不含本數就是他就沒有超過三分之二所以一樣這個會議又不通過了 |
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那我想要請問就是說明明你們在112年有訂了這個指定菸品的健康風險評估審查辦法沒有三分之二委員同意的規定然後副署長假副署長卻這樣子的宣布那這樣子的法規的規定依據在哪裡可不可以說明一下兩年前那個時候的制定方式可能吳署長比較清楚 |
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請吳署長說明一下因為兩年前應該部長還跟我一樣在立法院當同事 |
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我們有一個指定藥品健康風險設置要點那在裡面有規定要三分之二的委員出席大會才能做出這個會議然後有三分之二才能夠通過才能夠當成協議所以主責這個跟法規會一起主責推動這樣子的一個規定的是哪一位是甲副署長是吧我他是黃岩組的督導的長官 |
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好謝謝這樣很清楚那要點或辦法能不能抵觸法律可以嗎部長一般來說好那我順便提一下吼我國的會議規範是內政部訂定頒布全國的標準第56條很清楚的規定通過 |
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以表決之方式獲得多數之贊同者也就是說會議有採取表決之方式就一定要以多數贊同者的意見作為通過的依據這也是我們國家所有一切的民主的基礎我想在這次二月中加熱菸的健康風險評估審查14位委員我剛講了有8位通過那6位委員不同意 |
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那就是八位同意然後六位不同意那大家也都在那會議充分的表達了意見依照我們內政部所訂定的會議規範應該要根據專家及委員的意見予以同意開放 |
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如今啊衛福部你們縱容假副署長凌駕在署長跟部長之上公然以行政手段打臉多數的委員他們的意見然後誤導大家 |
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來這個不遵守會議審查的規則讓這個審查委員留於可以操控的這個形式然後也讓部長您遲遲不敢決定去執行加熱菸的管理也造成今天我們的現況就是加熱菸的這些走私犯非常的猖獗換句話說2月15日那天的會議 |
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同意8票同意8票6票反對其實他就已經是通過了所以我在這裡拿出法條很清楚的攤在這邊讓你們做依據我想前面的那些簡直就是違法亂紀自己在那邊惡搞亂搞嘛所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
683.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
701.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
而且 就是完全毫不掩飾的喔 主導一切我覺得喔 賈淑莉副署長 衛福部你們應該要立即停止賈淑莉副署長擔任國建署地下署長一職 並移送監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
704.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
733.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
部長我剛剛提的把我們的這個56條都翻給你看了您現在清楚了嗎清楚了好兩次審查會議的表決都是多數同意所以請你才是依照內政部頒布的會議規範第56條通過以表決之方式獲得多數之贊同者以這一條去才是讓國建署立即宣布加熱菸通過可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
739.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
763.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
因為我不是法律專家所以真的要請法規來給我們一點解釋有沒有在現場他們可以解釋為什麼辦法可以凌駕於這個會議我們第56條之上然後改成三分之二同意才可以還要超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
768.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
785.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
包委員我想謝謝你的提醒跟指導,我想我們馬上去請教法律的專家,看看是不是說我們要依刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
788.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
814.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
我想我今天的質詢有兩個訴求第一個就是內政部頒布的這個我們的會議規範第56條讓你們做依據怎麼樣表決多數決到底要多少第二個就是在我們這麼長的時間這麼多的混亂這麼多的走私然後我們少收了這麼多的稅收 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
815.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
837.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
最應該負責的人不應該輕輕放過因為這個是很可惡的事情簡直是違法亂紀所以這個你們依據法規好好調查該送監察院就應該送監察院那署長你也委屈了啦那請你好好做署長不要隨便被人家凌駕之上謝謝 |