| IVOD_ID |
16052 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16052 |
| 日期 |
2024-07-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第20次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第20次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-07-02T08:30:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-07-02T16:06:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
07:35:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609a19b75ace6be70bcad9f551ce5fa921f4f242ceca957783983f0bfac994235d65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-07-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第20次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。
二、6月28日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、7月2日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:15 - 16:06:00 |
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發言會現在繼續開會。對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。今天進行經濟組織質詢。請羅委員明裁質詢。主席,江副院長在座主任長。 |
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以及各部會首長,帶著早安、大家好。主席可否請行政院、卓院長。卓院長請備詢。卓院長,早安。生父中壬。期盼你在當行政院長的這個時刻,可以 |
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大鳴大放為臺灣的經濟盡一份力量也謝謝你還沒上任之前都是寄予厚望希望說行政院立法院可以多多合作為臺灣多做一點事本席感到認同現在經濟的發展當然大家都很用心 |
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我們看到股市從我以前開始就喊股市3萬點還給人民好生活現在看到了股市2萬點我們要讓經濟更有看頭更亮眼那怎麼拼呢我想說接下來其實台灣是潛疊經濟但是 |
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背後最影響最大的其實就是美國總統的選舉拜登他有一套經濟哲學另外川普如果當選的話想請問一下院長對於這樣的一個11月5號即將出來的結果你覺得台灣做好準備了嗎? |
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報告委員美國是一個民主成熟先進的國家他自然有他國內的一套選舉的規範跟他的選舉的進行的程度跟程序我們一樣是民主國家我們也不希望其他的國家對我們的選舉指指點點所以我們現在對 |
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這個美國的大選我們給予說能夠平順的完成選出美國人民最支持的總統未來能夠帶領起更多的和平角色為世界做多的貢獻這個是我們的期待而已日子總要過時間總要走可是很多人講說如果川普當選的話美國股市可能會再上兩萬點我想台灣現在所經濟的依存度跟國外 |
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請教一下院長,在你的心中,未來台灣發展的方向,你的主軸是在哪裡? |
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台灣當然要以現在我們佔有優勢領先的這個高科技的產業作為一個領頭但是我們一直強調我們不是要護國的神山而是要群山所以除高科技之外我們現在極力對中小微企業進行更多的淨零轉型跟數位轉型但是這個都是未來的發展 |
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現在台灣的產業可是有點不均衡的發展 |
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我們可以看到整個GDP的總值啊, 佔值真的強了。其實就您剛剛所說的是電子股相關的。這一波台灣首柱兩萬點, 因為這個股市是經濟的櫥窗。我們看到風起雲湧啊, 了不起啊。NVIDIA的董事長王文勛是哪裡人? |
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臺灣人臺南人所以我覺得臺南也蠻厲害的臺南這個地方你看出了幾個總統那我們也發現臺南居然除了他還有蘇之鋒還有Charles就是Supermicron的部長可能都知道真的是臺灣人的驕傲所以希望在這個時刻 |
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院長也好好思考一下怎麼樣把這些好的人才引進到臺灣不曉得院長認不認識黃仁勳當然對這樣的一個世界級的大企業的領導者我們都對他相當的敬仰我想我們郭部長因為產業出身他更曉得整個經濟這個電子產業的許法不曉得郭部長認不認識黃仁勳 |
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市長,你既然認識這些人我覺得你要為全民來發聲 |
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大家包括Google包括Apple總部或者是研發中心等等很多人都說要回到臺灣但是現在最怕的一點就是說會缺電會跳電怎麼辦 |
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報告委員,我們現在這個電都有考慮這些公司所需求的電力,以目前我們所準備的要上線的電跟我們要下載的這些電加總起來我們到這個2030年事實上還有200枚的這個餘量站。 |
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最近我們台電因為這個設備的這個老舊或者是在某一個地區大量的這個移居的人增加所以造成那個負荷會比較大一點所以會產生跳電的現象這個我想 |
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但是如果說我們今天來看我們從這個最近這個10年就是每一年的跳電的次數跟當今來比現在並沒有比較多現在只是因為媒體的報導反而好像他每天看到都有個跳電但是如果以過去的資料來講我們大概已經降了差不多七成的這個跳電 |
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不過這個我想不是理由啦我有責成臺電一定要優先把這些跳電的地方給他整理好你也很理智的齁其實這些外商也好剛所講這些大公司齁他不管你跳不跳電他也不管你什麼小鳥或者是松鼠影響到這個斷線他心裡講說到底會不會缺電供電的品質啊會不會良好這點你能做到嗎 |
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我們很清楚有一些工廠或數據中心它是不允許跳電所以在這個部分我們會強化加強那部分的保護措施科學園區、重要區絕對不可以停電不可以跳電但是其他民眾民生的用電都欠缺了 |
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也不是這樣子因為我們現在因為其實人力有限所以我們一直在做把這個妥算力要加強只是我們現在可能要跟跨部會的這個單位協商我們可能要從這個國外引進一些這些工人好謝謝那我想請問一下卓院長這樣子說起來的話現在那個2025的所謂政府的非核家園的目標現在會不會改變 |
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報告委員非核家園是定在我們2002年通過的環境基本法23條所以是現在的法律就是逐步朝向非核家園這中間會有很多的途徑很多的過程很多的努力那現在我們朝向這個過程但現在政府最優先的責任還是安全穩定的供電現在核三要停役的問題你怎麼看 |
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一定就是廚藝了 |
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依照核管法這必須處理那這樣如果處理的話為了我們整個配電的比例來講那就少掉那一塊大概有沒有15%左右大概是應該是4%左右3、4%那少掉這一塊的話你要怎麼補上去 |
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我們有幾個電廠,包括在桃園的大潭會升上來,然後在南部也有電廠會升上來。所以你們已經做好了準備嗎?是,我們是做好了準備。未來缺不缺電?缺電,電力是不是缺少,這個我們肯定跟委員報告是不會。不會缺電?不會缺電。 |
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你應該要很清楚然後把整個事情講明白那也希望下一次Jason黃仁勳來的時候請你也拜託你既然你跟他認識你大力來跟他介紹一下新北因為我們新北包括侯友宜侯市長非常熱忱的歡迎 |
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王仁勳、NVIDIA總部可以設在新北,或者是設在新店更好。因為也很感謝本席多年的爭取, |
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保高暖體智慧園區第一期已經完工,很多Tesla、鴻海都進駐了,就是在保橋路旁邊,保高暖體智慧園區,經濟部也補助了大概26億左右,當然還有第二期、第三期,在這裡也要拜託我們 |
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國部長,下一次見到他或是待會有空打個電話給他,我們新北新電熱誠的歡迎全世界最棒的公司NVIDIA可以到新電設廠,把新電當作是一個永久落地的好地方。能不能拜託國部長轉達這件事。 |
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我可以轉達委員你的這句話,我想我們會如實的轉達。感謝,謝謝,謝謝。那這樣我就再問不下去了。 |
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謝謝因為你如果做這件事情的話對我們新店來講如果能成功的話因為他的交通便利他的環境又好人文人才各方面可以說是萬事潔北唯欠東風感謝郭部長如果你能促成這件事情的話那對我們新店對整個新北對整個北台灣台灣來講未來發展真的是無可限量在這裡也拜託你 |
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另外我們看到股市2萬點了接下來我們希望一起努力打拼甚至可以上看3萬點、4萬點但是很多人擔心的包括美商、歐商擔心的就是地緣政治的問題我想請問一下院長 |
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所以不去碰那一塊了? |
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我們現在已經是主權獨立的國家,無需要再做任何其他的我希望說,因為多數的台灣人民都是希望維持現狀因為在台灣我們生活也都很開心,風衣足食但是我們更期盼兩岸是和平的 |
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我們等距的三角關係跟美國也好跟日本也好跟大陸也好我們是友善的人民我們的文化是和善的最重要的是讓台灣這個地方是一個永久和平的場所我們在這邊都好好工作所有人民安居樂業我想這樣就是100分啊 |
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我覺得台灣的現狀就是應該和平穩定經濟發展讓人民安心謝謝院長那接下來我要請教的話就是政府一直在大力推動說希望台灣成為整個亞太中心的財富管理中心資產管理中心或是 |
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﹚議員 |
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協調各部會,有交通部啊,高速公路啊,或者機場等等啊,比較大型有效益的可以讓他整個發REIT或是發基金的方式,不曉得院長協調好了沒。 |
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謝謝委員的指教這個就是現在我們積極在進行的包括亞洲資產管理中心我們也請金管會能夠做一些全面性的評估那麼有一個具體的措施出現那我希望在這未來的兩個月當中我們能讓國人看到我們在這個地方展現出來的計畫跟未來推動的方向跟目標跟時程至於說我們在海外的很多資金包括保險業者很多資金 |
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如何有效的運用他們回來臺灣之後投入到一個可以增加臺灣基礎建設公共建設的這樣的或是長照等等 |
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復合這會正面發展的用途上面去。有一些修法的部分,如果需要的話,我這邊也會趕緊來提。因為實際內關係,最後也要拜託院長,因為我們新店還有相關很多地方,高地、老舊社區,沒有自來水,沒有一個穩定的水質可以喝。在這裡拜託院長,是不是可以責成相關,包括經濟部,大家一起來關心一下最基本的民生問題。 |
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謝謝羅委員 |
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謝謝卓院長接下來請張志倫委員質詢 |
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好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早我們是不是有請卓院長跟我們的陳部長農業部陳部長卓院長還有陳部長請備詢 |
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院長、部長早安。今天是我們經濟委員會的質詢。還是先跟院長跟部長講,辛苦了。最近質詢很多。也跟你們報告,就是說最近國會改革已經三讀通過。 |
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行政院的副議案也在立法院的大家的投票之下副議案也沒有通過所以國會改革無法已經正式上路那最重要的我們民眾注意關心的就是國會的聽證權跟調查權也是本席非常在意的那在過去我的選舉當中其實我就本席是會計師所以對這個很多的過去民眾所關心的一些議案我非常的在意 |
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那本席所以今天就要繼續來問其實本席在3月的時候就有跟當時的代理部長陳部長討論過超思雞蛋的問題這超思這家公司大家知道資本額50萬過去在112年的時候進口了8000多萬顆的巴西蛋結果後來有說5000多萬顆就是因為等著要報廢那最近也報廢了嘛對嗎部長是 |
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那總共花了人民大概10億的納稅錢嗎?還是多少錢?大概10億多一點。對,所以我的數學還不錯,花了10億的納稅錢。那想不到我們在追查的時候,當時我在3月的時候追查超市雞蛋的時候,發現不只在超市在112年有進口巴西8000多萬克的雞蛋, |
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在111年的時候超司也將近進口了2500萬顆的雞蛋結果最近在很多立法院同仁的努力追緝之下結果發現結果現在超司他還有一個前身叫做亮采進口了500多萬顆的雞蛋所以我想要今天針對部長也跟院長報告一下超司居然還有錢賺那想要先請問一下這個部長這個有一家公司叫做亮采 |
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他居然有採購這個日本的雞蛋將近這個500多萬顆那請問一下部長對於這個亮彩這家公司有沒有做KYC的了解 |
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我跟委員說明齁,亮彩的500多萬顆是在3月跟4月之間用合約的方式去購買的。那後續4月以後的一個雞蛋是由亮彩公司來進口,有一段時間。那進口了以後,後續在相關的那個經費,我們經費提供的時候是由超司,他用委任的關係由超司來領款。 |
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好謝謝部長齁所以我就是要跟部長跟院長報告我們可以看到我們的這家 |
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兩彩的公司他的資本額只有100萬然後我們去查一下他的負責人他的負責人他有用一家投資公司去投資投資這個兩彩生物科技的這家公司叫做成澤企業有限公司他的負責人姓王我們去查的話他背後是一家生技公司做醫美的請問部長跟院長覺得一家這個做醫美的公司來進口日本的雞蛋部長院長你覺得合理嗎 |
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謝謝院長的回答那部長你知道過去這個亮彩公司他有進口過日本雞蛋的經驗嗎? |
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我跟委員說明過去的雞蛋大概都是由我們國內供應那在111年開始才有比較明顯的一個因為疫情的關係因為天后的關係造成缺點才有從包括那個美國澳洲跟日本來進口部長我問你的就是日本這個量產進口那請問一下我跟這個部長跟院長報告其實量產過去他在111年 |
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﹚前,他是沒有進口過日本蛋的經驗﹚所以這才是讓人民覺得很納悶的﹚為什麼一家100萬資本額的公司﹚可以進日本的雞蛋﹚然後後來還要請問一下﹚一個大家最重視的一個問題﹚那時候亮采在進口雞蛋的時候﹚3、4月有進口這個一批﹚ |
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然後到最後在111年的8月的時候也有進口一批可是進口完了以後,居然是這個超市付給他這個錢他們倆的關係是什麼?為什麼他要幫他付這個錢?我跟委員說明齁,就是相關的這些量產跟超市之間的商業的關係因為我們在行政調查的時候是有發現到一些餘地必須澄清的所以我們已經移送給檢調單位去查處了 |
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的確部長這個回答其實我本期已經有收到相關的消息那可是也要我問一下農業部的一些就是一些官員他們也說其實超市跟量產他們中間是有一個這個委託的委託書還是一個讓渡書嗎請問有這樣的事情嗎 |
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對就是他們在付款的時候有相關的一些委任的一個書狀在那邊所以我們付款是針對委任的部分然後開發票去提誰開發票我們付給誰但是後面的一些疑慮我們已經請檢調單位再查清了 |
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所以這就是本席要跟院長跟部長講的一家過去沒有日本進口蛋經驗的超市公司委託一個過去沒有進口日本蛋的一個量產公司然後他們兩個中間還有錯綜複雜的關係那不管是續產會過去一直以來跟農業部的交通跟交涉都非常的困難導致這個量度書的部分我相信也是很晚才提供給農業會來看到 |
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那我想要請教一下齁,量產的部分其實當時是有跟這個續產會簽約嘛,所以他是用一個委託的方式,他可以收取,除了進口日本雞蛋以外,他可以收取8%的手續費。 |
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發言委員 |
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政府的續產會要求農業部做一個緊急的補貼補貼的本來核定是1億7最後實質補貼了八千九百多萬那我算一下齁我用計算機算了一下齁他這個實質的差額補貼將近高達50%那我想要請教部長的就是說 |
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有簽合約的只補貼手續費8%沒有簽合約的量產補貼8%沒有簽合約的超市補貼緊急去產會要求農業部補貼的實質差額將近達50%請問這樣子合理嗎? |
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我跟委員說明這個之間可能有些誤解用合約的方式是照著合約走是8%的服務費那用買斷的方式就是說他負責從日本進口但包括內陸的運費包括裡面的關稅跟他運輸的費用那最後我們給他的就是已經到指定地點的時候的一個付錢所以不是直接用他當地的一個價錢減掉我們付款的價錢這個我想之間的資訊有點誤差 |
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好,所以我要跟這個,所以第一個啊,我先謝謝部長的解釋啦,我相信院長在旁邊聽的應該是覺得非常不能接受啦。那我再請教一下,所以到最後,這個我們續產會有辦理這個111年進口雞蛋的一個查核報告,裡面特別,有很多委員也提出,特別提出了 |
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就對針對雞蛋採購的部分是因為緊急採購可以不用採購法的一個條文意思就是說可以不用去三方比價可是針對這個冷鏈倉儲的部分租金跟運費的部分這邊也有提出來說當時是沒有依照採購法是有疏失的那我們有其他委員也說既然超市進口日本蛋的時候 |
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都有疏失那超失進口巴西蛋的時候相關的這個冷鏈倉儲租金跟運費你們已經準備好要收回50%的費用了嗎?跟委員說明一下就是在110年度的時候我們是用例行的產價調節計劃先給他計劃先有一個計劃在那邊那他根據他沒有依照採購法的部分依政府的規定要在50%以下那這個部分我們已經追繳他們也繳回來 |
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那至於112年的部分我們是後面才提供一個補助所以在審核計畫的時候就已經把相關的不符合政府採購法的部分都已經扣掉了所以沒有所謂的說112年在追繳的一個問題所以112年不會追繳?不會因為是我們後面才核定的對我們後面核定的時候我們就有去檢視不符合政府採購法的部分我們的補助一定是50%以下 |
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好,那最後我要跟院長跟部長講,我們有去算過啦,最後這個量彩喔,他在進口這個日本蛋的時候一顆大概是6塊多塊7塊可是超市在進日本蛋的時候一顆基本上是7塊以上所以顧名思義就是政府續產會他在採購的金額是越來越高,跟大家所想的不一樣而且最重要我們有去稍微算了一下這個 |
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⋯⋯⋯ |
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好,跟委員報告,無論超私跟政府、量財跟政府或是超私量財之間,一切的行為必須合法而且依照合約來走,否則現在我們已經移送檢調單位在進行調查。那這個事件到讓我們引以為見,未來在從事任何 |
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或許包括這種緊急需要的情況底下我們還是要慎選合作的對象看看他是不是能夠如實的履行合約有沒有這個能力而且我們對他是不是合約又轉嫁出去的這個行為要做適當的限制才能保障我們跟他之間直接合約關係的權利義務關係我想這個給我們很大的一個啟示跟未來的一個學習 |
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好,謝謝院長。每次質詢院長的時候,我發現院長其實他是一個非常nice的人。其實就是要跟這個部長跟院長講,其實超失雞蛋案,其實花了大家人民很多的納稅錢,也花了很多立法委員去查核的這個時間。那我們長期以來,越農越富,不知道是不是跟續產會溝通上有一些問題。 |
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所以很多時候我們立法委員去調資料的時候都自愛難行所以我要拜託我重新再講一次就是超私他在過去購買巴西蛋的時候他買了8000多萬顆結果裡面有5000多萬顆是沒辦法用的然後浪費人民納稅錢將近10億然後最近很多委員也在追現在剩下來這些雞蛋他到底能不能食用這也是一個問號 |
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結果大家往前去追的時候才發現111年的時候超市還有去買日本雞蛋結果他當時還是有買賣斷的情形結果112年他又變成這個貿易商不僅可以收8%的手續費還補貼巴西蛋非常多的金額 |
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結果最後還追到超私的還有一個前身就是亮采結果他在購買的時候他的相關的這個內容跟購買的方式也讓大家沒有辦法接受就他沒有根本沒有進口日本蛋的時機啊所以我覺得這種種 |
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我希望這個叫做超思這個巴西蛋跟超思錢鑽就是我們的日本蛋我希望趕快落幕不要讓花人民那麼多的納稅錢又花很多這個我們所有委員這個這個質詢的時間好嗎好謝謝我跟你講我們已經送一送檢調我們相信檢調單位應該很快的會去釐清好那我們謝謝部長我們接下來剩一點時間我們是可以請經濟部的這個部長請郭部長謝謝 |
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國務部長請備詢 |
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部長好,因為時間的關係我第一次有機會跟您見面,那想不到在質詢臺上,那我也是要跟你講說辛苦了,這部長非常不容易做。其實我觀察部長一段時間,部長從一開始是說這個核能是可以大家可以討論的,如果民意可以來去做一個大家可以做一個統整的一個意見,其實你不排斥核電。 |
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3657.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
報告委員我們的這個電力的政策應該是沒有改變 |
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至於說能不能討論,我想應該是可以討論的議題。 |
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那這個未來是不是這個河山要不要研議,這個問題我們尊重大院的這個決定。那經濟部是執行單位,那只要在法的框架之下,那我們必須要依法行事。所以我想這個立法院能夠決定,就是我們做的事情的一個依法。謝謝,謝謝郭部長。部長,那個院長部長這樣講,您的看法是怎樣?如果大院,如果認為核電要研議,您的看法是不是跟郭部長一樣? |
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其實我剛剛也表示過現在依照核管法時間已經過了5年的時間了但是如果進行修法那修法會修成什麼狀況條文怎麼樣我們現在也不能夠預測那修法之後行政院是有依法行政但是我們也希望大家在討論的時候核安的問題核廢料的處理以及如何取得社會的共識大家都能夠很理性的來討論 |
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沒錯,那我實際的關係最後請教一下部長,因為大家都非常關心額外,可是也很怕台灣跳電跟缺電。那而且尤其我上次在總質詢的時候我有請問,請問今年會不會還會漲電價? |
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3778.004 |
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我們今年4月已經漲過11%。對,那下半年還會不會漲電價?那現在電價審議委員會每年兩次的調整時間是固定的。我想要請教院長跟部長的想法,你們支不支持下半年還漲電價?我會以民生的需求、物價的穩定,甚至能夠提供產業更多的保障。那我是請部長回答,部長應該有一些,部長是很有想法的人。部長你覺得下半年有沒有需要漲電價? |
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謝謝張委員 |
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謝謝左院長。接下來我們請圖權及委員質詢。好,謝謝主席。那請我們左院長還有我們經濟部的郭部長。請左院長還有郭部長備詢。 |
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委員好好,院長部長好我請問一下我們卓院長齁那針對SRF這個發電我想說院長不知道知不知道那想請問一下它到底是焚化廠還是發電廠那是一個把廢棄物固化之後到一個新型態的一個焚化廠裡面它可以做再一次的能源的使用所以是兩者兼具嘛 |
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我請問一下,像我們台灣民主社會,那我們不管是設立焚化廠還是發電廠,是不是在設立之前應該要跟我們鄉親充分的溝通,讓我們鄉親能夠了解我們政府到底要做的是什麼? |
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對所以也是希望說能夠讓我們居民能夠了解我們政府 |
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| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
﹏﹏ |
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這三家其實早在107年的時候就有含詢我們桃園市政府經發局針對這三家SRF垃圾發電廠入駐我們桃科的可行性當時的經發局就很明確告知他們是不符合圖管規定所以也告知他說我們這個桃科的入駐 |
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﹚議員 |
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我們這三家SRF廠在4月1號我們經濟部能源署有發了我們再生能源發電設備的同意備案給台灣立方在4月1號發所以經發局發現之後就在4月29號馬上公告 |
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明確的規範就是說氣電共生井線天然氣SF不在這之列所以也就是明確的告知經濟部這個入住桃科經發局認為這圖款規定是不合的那知不知道針對這部分院長跟部長知不知道這個事情 |
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經濟部推薦那個時候是機關配合程序不是作為入園必要的條件所以經濟部發言與桃園市政府是表達沒有參採的必要所以收回當時對桃園市政府的政策表述這個是經濟部對桃園市政府的回應 |
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桃園市政府 |
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好,那我們看一下這個時間軸,讓這個院長部長了解一下。其實在剛好講107年的時候,我們三家就含詢經發局,經發局就明確告知他是不符合入園的規定。然後在108年的時候,我們當時的市長是鄭文燦市長,他就陸續核發了這三家廠商的土地建造。 |
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後來中央也陸續准許這三家發給他們再生能源發電設備的同意備案。那就像我剛剛講,後來這備案發出之後經發局就緊張啊,怕說這個廠商數有走後門之魚,所以明確規範說氣電共生僅限天然氣,SRF是排除在外。 |
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後來我們經濟部中央就針對這三家廠商在109年12月份開了一場專案的會議也就是說他也知道他不符合圖管的規定所以 |
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當時我們經濟部長王美華就下指導期,要求我們當時的市長鄭文燦同意以專案的方式入園。那當然鄭市長也知道這個經發局都是反對,而且他不符合圖管的規定。所以就要求經濟部說,如果要讓這三家入園,請經濟部發推薦函,他才同意入園。後來很快我們經濟部就在後面針對這三家廠商發的入園的 |
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推薦函那當然政事長也履行他的承諾同意這三家廠商入園那後來民眾踢爆之後然後要求廠商說明結果這三家廠商開了說明會之後民眾聽了反而更加恐慌後來才發現 |
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﹚三、 |
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後來也經濟部也礙於民意的壓力而且剛時也正在選舉所以我們經濟部剛剛部長有講後來也撤回了這推薦函那基於這種種以上的原因張善政市長就從善如流就撤銷了這三家廠商的入園許可 |
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但是沒有想到在3月份撤銷就像剛剛郭部長講你說這個權責單位在桃園市政府就是說桃園市政府可以決定他的入園與否但是沒有想到張市長撤銷他的入園許可結果在6月份我們經濟部居然駁回桃園市的行政處分也就是同意這三家SIF廠 |
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報告委員這件事情是這樣就是說臺灣市政府來向這個經濟部提這個訴願那我們是 |
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由術院委員會依法律專業的決定。術院委員會有11位委員,主要是由外部的法律專家學者所組成的,包括專業的公法學者。 |
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好沒關係部長重點重點就是經濟部自己經濟部部長或經濟部市長那我請問一下我們經濟部博為桃園市政府這個行政處分是基於什麼原因基於什麼理由我沒有處分 |
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不是你說這三家廠商針對張善政市長桃園市政府撤銷入園許可你前面有說這是桃園市政府是權責單位他可以決定他的入園與否結果他駁回也就是撤銷這三家的入園結果我們經濟部居然 |
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還駁回桃園市政府的撤銷入園許可那你剛剛說桃園市政府可以決定他決定之後你經濟部又召開又同意這三家廠商的訴願繼續讓他入住那你說他主管單位可以決定那你又駁回那到底是經濟部決定還是桃園市政府決定所以才去訴願啊所以你同意他的訴願啊訴願委員會做的決定啊那你訴願駁回桃園市政府的理由是什麼 |
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就是他這個基本上他來訴願說這個是經濟部下調的這個法案的但是事實上不是這個樣子部長這個我跟你講如果說你覺得不對你可以反駁當初你們後來說其實當初我有看過這會議記錄有明確的告知當初鄭文燦市長知道經發局反對所以他說如果要統一這三家議員要經濟部黃美花部長發 |
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﹚第11屆第2會期 |
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經濟部推薦他說居然經濟部撤銷推薦函表示當初推薦入園的理由也不復存在而且我重申他從頭到尾就不符合他的圖館要點是你們用專案的方式那居然不符合圖館要點那你當初推薦的理由你自己推薦函已經撤銷而且民意那麼反彈所以張勝勝市長撤銷那你結果撤銷之後你們說撤銷推薦函只是 |
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報告委員我想這一部分這個桃園市政府他可以決定這個三家公司三家業者他有什麼樣的條件允許他進來 |
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所以他現在不同意阿,因為我剛剛一直有跟你講阿,他不符合他圖管要點阿,那是後來你們推薦,然後...議長,我再跟你講,因為我剛剛有講,後來我看過公文,你們說推薦含非必要條件,主要條件是再生能源發電設備許可。 |
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我剛剛有講,桃園市政府經發局從頭到尾就說他不符合圖管要點,後來你們經濟部在109年4月1號發給 |
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發給台灣立方再生能源發電設備許可後來你們說這個是必要條件但是在109年4月29日經發局當他發現之後馬上公告說你這一個許可函 |
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徐可涵徐可涵徐可涵 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
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報告委員我想這一部分我們現在這個桃園市政府是要求我們給他一個那什麼叫做這個入園許可我們現在是在協商這些辦法就是說這三個廠商如果按照過去的這個說法那麼當然是桃園這個市政府不同意他進來但是我們現在是朝著把這件事情如何能夠讓他能夠順利的這個完成 |
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好。 |
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那也感謝院長感謝部長我聽部長這樣講其實部長也是站在鄉親這一邊所以我今天也要提醒部長就是說當你說推薦還沒有法律效力可是你的必要條件其實也這個許可也不符合桃科的入園規定所以你這個必要條件在桃科入園規定 |
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基本上跟逃課入園規定是相抵觸所以你的必要條件根本也不存在所以我希望經濟部撤銷這個再生能源發電設備的許可因為你的許可根本跟入住逃課的圖管規定根本是相抵觸所以希望救救觀音人救救桃園人居然民意這麼的反彈這件事情地方不管是張善政市長還是本席還有當地的議員甚至 |
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新屋關英31個里長也已經連署他們說希望我們經濟部能夠撤銷這個許可把這個必要條件來消失讓我們關英喔能夠有一個更好的生活環境因為他們有講他們現在要健康不要回饋金 |
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我們現在就是在討論這些這個辦法入園的辦法規範大家同意包括桃園市政府他也同意朝這個方向大家來努力因為那個三家廠商事實上已經有兩家已經都蓋好了他們也投資很多的錢而且這個是國際的這個廠商進來這一部分包括我們友好的這個國家都有在關注這個問題 |
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我跟部長講齁 |
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我們也是希望所有的都要按照制度來所以我們也並不是反傷所以我剛剛有說這個時間軸所以部長跟院長你們要聽一下 |
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可是當時的市長是鄭文燦市長喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
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這個我想民主制度就是這個樣子所以我希望院長部長請你們正視這個問題因為我說我們蔡英文總統也有講當政府聽不到人民的聲音人民唯有走上街頭發出怒吼我相信我們民主進步黨一直以來都是走街頭運動 |
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只要政府所做的是違反民意我相信我們的政府我們民進黨政府也是鼓勵民眾手上接頭所以在這邊希望部長跟院長能夠幫忙謝謝圖委員 |
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謝謝院長跟部長。審發會委員及徐富奎委員之質詢均以書面提出,請行政院書面答覆,並列入紀錄刊登公報。下一位請賴會員委員質詢。 |
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好,謝謝主席。有請我們的院長跟我們的經濟部部長。好,卓院長還有部長,預備請。委員好。是。 |
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院長、部長,早安。我想從民國42年開始,臺灣啟動了大規模的養豬,養豬的一個事業。那這個養豬的一個事業,其實臺糖發揮了很大的一個能量,因為在早期,臺糖的一個養豬事業,其實是帶動了我們整個臺灣的一個 |
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民間的一個豬場的一個最大的一個標竿跟目標其實臺灣的一個養豬的一個事業臺糖功不可沒那曾幾何時就是說其實臺糖面臨到一個很大的一個困境從2020我們投入了107億我們要蓋那個13座的一個就是舊換新的這個規模的一個養豬場 |
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那到目前為止臺壇還有三場沒有完成招標那這個三場為什麼沒有完成招標其實是在一個土地徵收的一個原因那沒有辦法順利的一個進行這裡我要跟院長跟部長做一個探討 |
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改建的一個工程改建的一個工程其實在這個進度大幅的落後那甚至就是說還有還有就是三座還要再追加預算那個17億 |
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我想有兩個很大的一個股票上市公司一個叫那個山林水一個叫大同他們來就是承攬我們這13座的一個養豬場可是這13座養豬場顯然顯然有很大的一個困難為什麼這個很大的困難我想就是說 |
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部長你新上任所以我也在這裡提醒你就是說在整個台堂的養豬事業它面臨到一個很大的一個瓶頸那這一個瓶頸事實上有沒有人模不彰我想持續你去看很多的一個資料你可能慢慢的會去了解這些問題 |
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為什麼107億再加上17億那這13座的一個養豬場我們希望他是一個就是說最新型的然後是他可以就是說節能減碳的他可以帶動了整個臺灣最好的一個養豬的一個事業那現在面臨到一個這麼大的一個困境 |
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這個該怎麼辦當然我們知道說農業部長他是一個農業的一個權威他看到了就是說臺堂的養豬事業面臨到的一個議程例是平均的一個臺灣的養豬的一個議程例支向他是在支效這個讓我們會覺得說很捨不得這麼好的一個環境這麼好的一個基礎結果我們的議程例是這麼低 |
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這個完全沒有競爭力,尤其就是我們的東海豐,屏東的東海豐這個是一個標竿的一個養豬場,那我們常常是提供很多的國外的一個就是考察,到了這個地方來的時候,結果我們等到漏氣,因為為什麼?東海豐他沒有母豬,他全部就是已經就是養了那個30幾天的這個宰豬,到這個豬場來。 |
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﹚發言委員： |
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| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
﹚議員﹚ |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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5091.527 |
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| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
﹚議員 |
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5105.419 |
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謝謝,請部長回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
5135.554 |
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5150.138 |
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報告委員我想台堂的問題就是你剛才所指教的這一部分我們會專案下去查查到底是您剛才所指正的是人的問題還是環境的問題還是這個產業的問題我們會針對問題來提出改善 |
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5155.799 |
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5170.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
那臺堂確實這個你剛才在講那個工程的部分因為他碰到這個從2020年開始的這個COVID-19到現在那麼特別是東海峰東海峰在屏東那是比較鄉下其實 |
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| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
5218.415 |
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因為在107年的時候我們就是透過這些標案是在108年的時候開始疫情已經來了嘛所以缺工缺料這個問題就是造成就是這13座的這個養豬場他沒有辦法就是去改建那我想就是說臺堂內部的一個那個管理的一個失能其實不是只有豬的問題年代的我跟你講我特別指出來就是土地的一個問題 |
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5219.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
5244.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
那台糖建價的出租這個產業違法土地廠商你現在看到了這一個這個螢幕上這一個就是我們在柳營我們的奇美奇美醫院齁那奇美醫院的旁邊有一個就是大概超過超過7666坪的土地一個月租26萬26萬這個為什麼呢 |
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5248.873 |
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5270.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
這個是一個非常非常離譜在本席在去年二月持續一直追這個案子的時候那臺堂一直講說這個案子沒有問題那我想在這裡跟部長跟院長做一個非常清楚在延時的企業裡頭他只有租20年那寫得非常清楚不得不得延約 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
5271.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5288.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
那其實他已經違背了原始企業的一個精神這20年他只知20年不能研約結果20年的合約到齊了所有的地上物沒有追回來給臺堂甚至他讓他就是 |
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5290.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
5311.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
總是會讓他繼續承租這一塊土地。會後我會把這些資料給部長跟院長。因為他是明顯非常明顯的一個違規。現在現在這一個地上物這個地上物還存在的。然後台糖還不是台糖的還不是台糖的財產。 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
5312.54 |
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5340.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
那我一直覺得就是說為什麼有這麼大膽的臺堂的同事我前前後後跟他們開會超過5次以上那他們竟然有辦法就是說在明文企業上規定的這麼清楚了然後你延續的那個往後的20年你竟然是敢再讓他續約當然這個新奇美公司不是許文榮的這個奇美公司在這裡要跟院長報告一下 |
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5341.445 |
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5369.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
所以一個民間的小型的公司有辦法就是20年再加20年然後這個地上物是一個價值超過2億2億的一個建物在上面竟然沒有就是20年合約到期的時候把這個財產歸還回到臺棠那為什麼臺棠敢這樣就是侵害國家的財產權啊所以我在這裡要請部長跟那個院長是不是一個業內 |
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﹚廣告 |
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事後我都會把這些資料給部長跟院長。我想這個是存在於我們整個北台灣的一個很大的一個笑話大家不知道尤其臺堂的總公司又在臺南那這個是不應該換的一個錯所以在這裡也利用利用這一個 |
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時間來跟那個部長跟院長做一個探討我想臺堂的一個人才的一個斷層經驗的一個傳承人事的一個僵硬化怎麼樣活用這個人才不讓這個員工只是等退休我在這裡頭提出了一份資料就是說這個是經濟委員會在6月26號的一個會議記錄臺堂超過55歲以上屆齡退休的員工高達33.78 |
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這個是眼高於台糖、中油跟台水。這個讓我們覺得就是說,台糖的一個員工的安全下裝的這個心態,這個是非常要不得的。它曾經是一個這麼風光的一個國營事業體。 |
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那在這裡特別就是說也是跟我們院長跟部長提出這個案子我覺得這個是應該要立即解約啊不然這個存在的一個很大的一個問題應該會有很多公務人員會有一些年代的一個責任 |
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那接著那個請國發會那個主委跟部長特別要跟你們三位討論一下就是科技藍帶的一個中繼站我建議是在大新營這個科技 |
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在整個嘉義園區跟南科園區的一個切法的一個串聯我們知道就是說南台灣的一個科技藍帶從屏東一直直接上來到嘉義其實在嘉義跟新穎這一跟南科超越了就是這個距離是超過50公里可是這一塊剛好是一個斷層所以在這裡我要特別跟那個 |
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在座的三位做一個建議其實我們知道說台積電他可能後續他還有好幾座的一個封測廠他要那個投入那所有的一個封測廠他其實需要半導體的各種的一個材料 |
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﹚第11會議 |
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一直都沒有開花那我簡單的提兩個案子給那個院長跟部長跟那個我們主委看光是我的台子台子的工業用地我就有超過50公頃超過50公頃的台子工業用地其實我們都準備好了還有就是我們有很多台糖的工業用地他也存在的所以變成就是說 |
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﹚廣告 |
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⋯⋯ |
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謝謝委員我們之前也到過沙倫確實一個地方經過這樣有計畫的整體開發之後未來的前景相當的可觀那現在就是在串接整個大南部高屏地區的S廊帶這個科技的走廊應該是一個我們未來發展的重點之一那尤其在台南方面新營工業區柳營還有開發中的七股都是未來深具潛力的那這個部分國發會也一定會就各個 |
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主委你是不是對整個大新營就是我們的北台南有沒有一點了解我相信你應該很了解你之前就是一直都是在南台南 |
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我是去過幾次那裡是一個環境還不錯的地方也有一些一些工業在發展是有比較大的空間那我們這個會找國科會一起我們共同來研究一下再跟委員回報 |
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臺南是我們非常重視的一個區塊 |
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好謝謝謝謝賴委員謝謝卓院長吳啟明委員之質詢已書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員質詢 |
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主席、在場的袁先進、列席的政府金融署長官員,大家早。那麼有請卓院長和經濟部郭部長、農業部陳部長。卓院長、陳部長還有郭部長請備選。 |
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5805.955 |
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總委員好院長好兩位部長好院長昨天我們共同出席了中央通訊社一百週年的慶祝對嗎是的我很欣賞你最後結尾的那句話你說大家都慶祝中央社一百歲生日快樂你說你希望能跟他講一百次的生日快樂這意味著中央通訊社還在近一百年以上對不對 |
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其實中央通訊社那天昨天我在聽到底通訊社相較於新聞業是什麼我倒覺得他很像台積電 |
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他本身沒有媒體但是他透過供應給各個新聞媒體他把他的正確新聞傳播出去是不是這樣但是我也覺得未來中央通訊社的使命就像那位印度通訊社的代表說的他們發現自己的顧客變成自己的競爭者他們要開始有自己的平台但是有一件事情可以請你期許中央通訊社去做的 |
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就是對於訊息新聞求真的判別。如果中共通信社能夠幫忙把每一則新聞把關,務求新聞的真,我想他對其他的他的客戶就有價值,你同意嗎?是,所以他要正確領先,客觀。好,那接下來我們進入今天的主題。大家在關心總統成立了三個委員會,其中一個是國家氣候變遷委員會,很多人都關心這跟行政院的職責會不會有衝突,您覺得呢?氣候變遷, |
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整個是一個很高戰略的國家戰略的目標跟計畫所以行政院要負責具體的解決問題的方法同時在總統府成立的委員會當中他沒有組織沒有人事沒有預算他是諮詢政策的討論所以真正的執行行政院要負責當然而且還要經過政策跟行政院還要對接政策 |
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氣候變遷大家認為是工業製造造成的大氣的環境的變化那受害者是誰呢?你覺得第一個受害者是誰?我告訴你第一個受害的不是工業是農業我們陳部長這就是今年我們氣候變遷造成的全台灣農損包括屏東的芒果、蓮霧都是我請教一下這麼多的農損我來請教那個陳部長 |
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面對農民很可憐啊,如果是農損欠收不付成本,我們農業部會做什麼?災害救助嘛,對不對?我們有一個天然災害救助的一個辦法。也會推廣農業保險嘛。對。但是院長,如果我們風調霧順過太平安啊,農民在擔心咧?因為風修會怎樣?會白癡啊。農產品不耐久放嘛,所以量多價崩怎麼辦?農業部,你們是不是鼓勵做加工? |
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我們除了做加工以外,我們也會建置相關的一個滾動式的一個倉儲,冷鏈倉儲的部分。讓他延長農產品豐收的保存嘛。但是院長要跟你講,農業部做這麼多,可是農民會感謝嗎?因為這些鼓勵將農產品做初級加工,讓他可以保存久一點,是誰得到補貼?加工業者。 |
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但是加工業者檸檬做成果汁之後可以放得比較久,但是農民也擔心啊,你補助都補助加工中,他們就多靠進口、多吃,藍在這本土的檸檬汁裡面,消費者分沒,很可惜啦。所以我覺得部長、院長你可以再請農業部考慮一個,他們在做的是什麼?除了鼓勵加工之外,就是冷鏈,是不是這樣?是。好,部長,那你們做了多少? |
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您們目前農業部在冷鏈的推動中做了哪些?我們現在在冷鏈部分大概分三個區塊,一個區塊是區域冷鏈物流中心,它是結合附近的。第二個就是一個旗艦的部分,那旗艦的部分主要是以外銷為導向的。是的,說得好。來,院長你聽喔。 |
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你看這個圖阿,其實農產地到集貨廠,大概的農會跟生產班在前端,後端外交的有外交的貿易商,有果菜公司,那目前中間的大型通路跟盤商,盤商大概有自己資源的冷鏈。 |
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那我們目前政府投資的大概可以讓大型的通貨商做外銷放在機場附近部長是不是這樣?對好但是這樣的一個投資受益者是後端農民的價格在前端因為他還沒有經過冷鏈不耐久存他的價格還是抬不起來 |
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所以這是一個目前我們能量投資在方向上要思考的一個地點。同時另外事情很像在你旁邊的郭部長我跟郭部長請教一下我看到報紙說未來好像今年開始屋頂型的光電的貢獻慢慢已經接近甚至超越了地面型光電是不是這樣? |
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目前的資料是這樣嗎?是的,所以屋頂光電有什麼好處呢?院長,屋頂光電因為人口密集區,它用的電馬上可以上吊,它不用再匱限。但是地面型的光電大部分在鄉間嘛,部長是不是這樣?是的。所以配合鄉間的光電用量少的地區,這些發的電要怎麼辦?是不是要用儲能儲起來?沒錯。這樣用儲能,光電要配合儲能才會產生韌性電網調節供電的效果。但這裡面有一個問題,匱限。 |
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我們廣大鄉間的光電需要匯線放在儲能,儲能才能輸送到電網,是不是這樣子?好,那我們來看一下。目前部長先你告訴院長,目前這個儲能設施的裝置容量是不是已經跟我們的光電裝置差不多了?目前差不多。差不多,但是大部分分布在哪裡?分布在光電集中的鄉間嗎?還是集中在比較工業集中的地帶? |
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委員長,這是問題了。產電的在鄉間,儲能的放在哪裡?工業用電那裡。你現在看看為什麼會這樣子?因為經濟部的相關的規定,產業園區的各種使用規範,科技園區的管制條例,光電的儲能要放在工業區。部長是不是這樣子?目前的規範是這樣。鄉間有沒有工業用地?很少。很少。郭部長來自於我們枋寮。枋寮唯一的工業區在北起北,在東海那裡。 |
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請問有地方可以放儲能?所以在這裡給院長跟部長一個建議其實如果儲能結合了充電跟冷鏈其實在我們鄉間最怕停電的兩個 |
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這是一個很好的思考跟檢討的方向很好,所以怎麼辦?解答在你右手邊那一位,農業部 |
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請部長告訴一下我們農業部,如果說儲能業者可以同時提供冷鏈,那麼農業部把他認定為農業設施,這個儲能就會放在農業用地上,放在集貨廠上,因為我們為什麼冷鏈不會在前端呢?因為集貨廠都是農會跟小農,都是生產班,沒有資本,他們也沒有辦法投資,靠你的補助沒錢輸。 |
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如果除能業者願意因為可以取得用地投資到我們生產班集貨廠那邊,這樣是不是解決兩邊的問題?謝謝委員,我想這一部分我跟農業部來討論,到實際回屏東去看一下。如果說有辦法的話,我們就依這個委員所提議的部分這個方向來努力。 |
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院長請你指示農業部是不是研議把儲能結合能量後可以納入農業設施部長可不可以我想絕對可以我們現在已經一部分已經開始這樣做了特別是有一些像孤設有沒有那上面屋頂試探那是屋頂光電對但是他直接會供應他本身的一個用地但是要儲能對 |
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所以相對的有關於農業設施現在大概有將近兩千多兩千四百多公頃的一個屋頂型那是屋頂型的然後我們會結合在鄉村會結合儲能設備然後直接供給我們的農業用電大部分的地面型光電不是在鄉下不是屋頂型啦是地面型啦如果能把這些地面型的光電放到集貨廠提供冷鏈也兼做儲能對農民幫助很大院長願不願意支持請兩位部長共同言語好不好 |
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我請兩位部長積極來看如何幫助這些產生出來的電力能夠存留下來工作有需要使用那農地的使用是不是有必要做一些放寬或是怎麼樣這個請農業部再來質詢部長可以考慮嗎?可以我們會來研議那郭部長你也可以鼓勵儲能業者去投資在我們鄉間的這些冷鏈的集貨廠的農會生產班的儲能設施剩下剩下你對台電的儲能你就可以賺錢啊冷鏈這做服務的可以嗎? |
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另外我們看到,請問院長你知道嗎?我們每個地方都說要歡迎台積電,但是台積電要用電,要不要用水?要。要用水。所以我們半導體的產業,我們怎樣?我們不只怕缺電,也要怕缺水。但是有沒有雨水,我們沒辦法決定。 |
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所以如果雨量少,家庭怕缺水,農民擔心沒有辦法灌溉,工廠是不是怕停產,是不是這樣子?是。那你認為目前我們台灣的降水、降雨哪個部門,工業部門、家庭部門跟農業部門哪邊用最多?農業用水佔了七成,民生用水佔了兩成,其實工業只佔了一成。 |
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所以如果說我們要提高,當提供要花這麼多水的時候,七成的農業放棄,兩成的家庭要營,一成是工業。你要在哪裡把這個水蓋起來營,你覺得哪個地方投資效益最高?部長,如果你是企業家,用水分配是這樣,你的投資在哪裡?最後會有達到那個成長的效果,邊際效益最高? |
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我們現在當然是從這個農業用水的部分。你們是調度喔,叫停耕、修耕,把水拿過來。對,不是這樣子,就是說我們其實在那個農地這個水啊,這個這一部分我們在加強。我們在台水,水利署大概有做這方面的研究。水利署是全部的水資源的調度。 |
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農業部陳部長,你們看一看,你們農業有七成,其實呢是很多的量,但是多數不是農民用掉的,因為你們上游的集水設施不足,你們中游的輸水的管路老舊,到最後你們最末端的使用效能,噴澆啦、噴水啦、節水設施要加強,農業部有沒有在積極投資這一塊? |
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主委委員長我來自農業縣 |
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你知道嗎?過去這三四十年日治時代留下來的灌牌,其實農民已經不太用了。為什麼嗎?你怎麼知道?為什麼農民不去我們水里回來灌牌?因為現在電很方便啦!他每次要水,他拆這個,他摘木頭,有電就出了啦! |
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是,很好。 |
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好,所以呢我們看一看,所以投資在哪裡呢?投資在我們的灌牌,然後呢蓄水設施,這樣的方式也就是透過交通設施。我們交通部今天不在,其實交通部呢生活圈道路計畫提供了很多的經費,如果這些經費在道路上, |
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謝謝委員這個意見但是我要提醒你我們看一下真正我們的慣排做了多少 |
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部長,陳部長,這是不是你113年度有關農田水電師改善所投資的錢?我想整個投資不只這樣,因為我們還有一些易後的特別預算在投入。所以平均整個農田水...好,易後的特別預算,前瞻,包括前瞻都已經快結束了啦。院長我要提醒你,農業用水,用這麼多水,你家裡這麼多錢,很可惜的啦。我再請你看,往下看。除了農業用水之外,我們自來水,你認為全台灣自來水普及率大概多少? |
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部長要不要告訴院長,全台灣自來水普及率?92啦,60幾是屏東啦。你是屏東人啦,屏東69%啦,全國邊郡94%啦。我們在自來水未普及地區我們投入多少金額你知道嗎?我們投入這些啦,111年投入20億,越來越少。 |
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當然隨著普及率提高,我們經費需要的是較少。但是最大的問題出在哪裡嗎?為什麼我們主要在屏東這個地方跟南島普及率還不夠?因為水公司的執行能量有限。您要改變啦。院長,可不可以指示經濟部加強水公司在自來水普及的計畫的投入,人力跟經費,可以嗎? |
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所以部長、院長支持一下讓經濟部加強這方面無自來水地區普及的經費跟人力好不好? |
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這個在總經費160億當中我們就逐年有做分配阿那希望多增加臨落啦長治等地區今年應該會實質的改善是的沒錯臨落跟長治你講到重點了最後呢我看一下齁其實你看看我們工業用水齁投資多少海蛋廠部長你告訴院長我們一個海蛋廠要花多少錢海水蛋化廠工業用的 |
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數十億起跳嘛,用10億做單位嘛。院長你看到沒有,工業用水海灘廠這個絕對不予匱乏的我們投資上百億,但是農業部門的灌牌,水公司水的自來水的沿館的普及需要再加強,所以我的結論就兩個,請提高,院長指示提高自來水沿館工程預算及提高施作效能,可以嗎?好的,已介紹計畫。 |
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政委員好 |
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院長好,因為這是經濟組的詢答,我想說先問一下,因為最近AI實在太熱了。我想說你覺得全台灣最適合設立AI生態園區的地方在哪裡?沒有其中之一,最適合的地方。 |
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感謝 感謝 感謝院長 確實 因為 因為 因為我來自新竹 那所以我們肯定會新竹來發聲 那我也在那個用了那CHILD GPT生成室的AI我來問一下 他確實也給出了一個很具體的答案 他覺得全台灣最適合的地方就在新竹市 |
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包括了IC設計園區,他也覺得全台灣最適合的地方都在新竹市。這也是坦白說這幾十年來新竹竹科發展之後一個很好的成果。坦白說我們知道賴政府這邊其實也準備要推桃竹苗大細股計畫。 |
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新竹市 都市計畫區域 |
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那有沒有辦法讓竹克S127變成我們配合同時的大新武計畫一個國家重大建設,院長。我認為國客會已經很密集的在研究各種方案以及跟新竹市乃至於新竹縣政府共同的研究商討當中。那希望這個時程能夠配合大家的需求以及未來迎接這個科技大廠進來或是國內的廠商使用的速度來做進行調整。 |
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謝謝院長,因為你一開始講說你也覺得在新竹是很適合做AI生態園區的時候,所以我一定要對你非常的溫和,而且全力支持你繼續推動新竹成立AI生態園區。可是因為現在全世界很多大廠都想要進駐台灣來, |
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﹚發言委員 |
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的算力它變成了一個服務業而不再只是製造業所以我們事實上對這個部分肯定是支持的可是當我們在看到很多大廠想要到臺灣來的時候呢我們就不得不去考慮用電到底夠不夠那說實話就是郭部長其實當被點名接任部長的時候呢那我跟他對話 |
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他當時對於臺灣的核能政策保持一個相對開放的一個政策,就像我們看到了童子賢我們的環境變遷委員會的副主委,副召集的這樣一個角色的時候,我發現他們對於能源的看法其實是比較開放的,可是後來坦白說,國務長後來被 |
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民進黨的委員後來可能也再一次溝通之後我發現他的說法有一點丟回去可是我覺得重點就是怎麼樣讓台灣不缺電我覺得這是最大的一個前提那我想說在這邊再一次的問一下卓院長台灣在未來10年會不會缺電 |
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至少你確保2030年之前不缺電對不對?因為坦白說因為整個國際也都非常關注臺灣到底缺不缺電甚至於說 |
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黃宇勳在離開臺灣之前那個臺北電腦展的時候他也表示用電確實是他關心的議題那我知道就是部長剛到美國去也去拜訪了很多相關的一個高企業公司也希望他們到臺灣來可是我相信電也是他們考慮的一個點那我們看到一個狀態就是整個外媒對於臺灣用電其實 |
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除了論題,其實是完全不手軟的,完全不手軟。我們看到一下就是從2023年7月華爾街日報就表示97%的電來自於國外會產生重大國安風險。今年4月彭博就直接表示說臺灣靠本土風電,臺灣會要有停電的心理準備。 |
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韓國也想發展AI,但擔心能源問題,直接表示不要重蹈台灣的覆轍。美國智庫也直接表示台積電到熊本設廠是因為台灣電力不足。包括日本經濟新聞也直接點名賴清德總統要重新評估核電的政策。 |
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等等那麼最新的美國的新聞週刊也直接表示能源是臺灣國家安全的致命弱點這些部分就表示國際很關心臺灣那我們臺灣一定更關心臺灣用電的一個情況那我在想說這麼多大廠進來的時候我們剛點到這麼多大廠要進到臺灣來說我們用電到2030還是會 |
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足夠嗎?因為我看了高盛最近的一個報告他說當美國普遍在設立AI算力中心普遍使用AI之後美國的用電很可能會成長兩倍很可能會成長兩倍那在這樣的一個情況之下的時候甚至於說有很多像我們AI啊Amazon他們甚至於都在自籌核能發電或者是併購核電相關的問題所以我想要再次問 |
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在這麼多國際大廠要到臺灣來的時候我們電還是夠嗎? |
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院長報告委員我想就這一部分2030年為止我們是有把握提供穩定的這個電給這些大廠那我這一次在美國我也跟很多的這些大廠交換過意見確實他們如委員所指教的他們對電是非常的這個重視 |
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我們目前來看我們算我們現有的這個電力容量跟我們要下載的這些出來以後到2030年我們其實是增加的我們有增加200多MW但我要跟委員報告就是我們參考的新加坡的資料新加坡也是一樣他們從現在2024年到2030年他們會增加1.4G用在這個 |
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OK,部長,這個部分我想我之前有跟你對話過,我大概理解。不過我這邊要特別提到,因為童子賢,因為我認為你跟童子賢都是業界非常優秀的企業人士,我覺得很務實在看電力的問題。 |
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那童子賢他也直接提到就是非核家園讓臺灣的能源政策陷入四個困境成本變高、韌性變差、空污變多甚至會造成很大的一個環境污染的一個問題他認為說我們如果能源政策持續這樣的狀態很可能會阻礙到整個臺灣未來的一個發展我相信他講這部分是良心的一個說法 |
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那我也掉了一個情況,我們看到整個現在我們在講用電夠的問題的時候,不只是夠,它還有用電性質的問題,所以再生能源發展本席是支持的,可是我要特別提到低碳能源,低碳的電也是重要的,我們看到目前112年底的時候,整個臺灣 |
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低碳能源占比只有16.9在全球排名非常的後面111名非常的後面比很多新興的開發中國家都還要低那我再調了一下到今年5月份的時候我稍微提高一點點到了18.1非碳能源的部分到18.1 |
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那這裡面呢我要特別提到一個狀態是太陽光電跟核能的部分因為現在撇除核能之外最大的一個再生能源就是光電的一個部分所以我相信光電肯定還是我們現在政府要力推的一個再生能源的方向應該是這樣子吧 |
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是的,大概到預定2025年的年底,我們希望在這部分能夠來到20%,不過因為過去COVID-19關係...到20%是整個再生能源到20%還是光電要到20%? |
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光電光電要到20%但是現在因為在過去這個兩三年因為這個COVID的關係所以我們有一部分這個delay所以我們可能要再延一年到2026年才有辦法達到20%OK部長這個部分你之後再來跟我溝通因為光電本身要到2020要到20%幾乎是完全不可能的我剛剛委員報告光在20%當中光電應該是佔到8.4% |
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光電的部分我們來看一下 |
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在整個發言業的申請、設置、審查及作業流程籌設還有擴建審查流程圖看一下這個部分給院長看一下這個流程圖請問院長往後來這個地方這個流程圖院長 |
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這是很具體的一個公文書請問院長他第6項特別提到的應備文件第6點養殖戶同意證明文件在有簽署土地上面要籌設餘電共生因為餘電共生是光電裡面很重要的一環那麼我想要問一下這個養殖戶同意證明文件應該要由誰來簽署 |
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報告委員這個養殖為本綠能加值這個是整個的基本的原則跟精神所以應該是以一方面從讓養殖業能夠有生產增加綠能也增加這個農村漁村的這個發展才對而且沒有問題就是院長這個漁電共生社政策我們也支持因為對再生能源的提高我們都支持我要問的狀態其實說因為我們在一開始 |
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就是在重設的時候就要求就是發電業者他們必須要取得這個養殖戶的同意證明文件就表示他們一開始這些費用就要先出去那出去之後因為我們重設電機有三個階段 |
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一開始籌設之後呢那麼到最後的一個施工許可到最後一個地的一個發電執照下來三個階段的時候那是不是要在第一階段就要取得就是養殖戶的 |
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我看到部長一直在點頭,部長你要不要回答一下? |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
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我相當同意委員你的指教。這一部分因為實際業者他們在比較擔心的是這個樣子,就是可能養不是那麼順利,所以發電可能就沒有辦法達到當初預期的目的。不過這一部分我想我們會再跟農業部再來討論,怎麼樣放寬這一些讓業者能夠順利的把電發出來。 |
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7526.858 |
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OK,我跟委員補充說明一下,就是現在目前光電業者跟地主,地主如果說把這個地承租給另外人養殖的話,那就是三方。那這個三方的部分我們其實跟經濟部那時候有研擬一個共同的一個合約的一個範本。以確保光電業者跟地主跟養殖的業者,養殖戶本身, |
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OK 這沒問題陳部長謝謝你主動站上來因為這個事情確實跟農業部、經濟部、能源署還有國產署都有關因為目前有很多的漁電共生的狀態都是來自於國產署的土地我們再往下看這是能源署發出來的一個文件他直接表示就是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
發言的業者他們必須要取得承租戶的同意書還有實際養殖戶的同意書 |
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7594.405 |
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部長您可以說明一下什麼叫做成豬戶的同意書跟實際養殖戶的同意書我想這個部分就是我剛才說的就是有些土地他本身地主並沒有經營他是委託人家經營來因為這個國產署的土地喔國產署的土地按照國產署土地使用的方式他是不能夠任意轉租轉讓所以說為什麼會有一個成豬戶跟實際 |
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我希望陳部長這邊要協助經濟部、能源署、國產署這邊把這個問題解決好不好因為否則我們會碰到了當我們需要很多再生能源、光電是主力的時候可是發現 |
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我們相關的部門橫向的連結完全是不夠的所以當他們這個產業在推動的時候完全沒有辦法滿足能源署的要求我希望院長這邊能夠找我們經濟部然後財政部、國產署還有我們農業部一起來解決這個問題 |
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謝謝政委員。謝謝卓院長。下一位請謝龍介委員質詢。 |
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主席,我請國務部長。請國務部長。國務部長。議長你不用啦。這幾人齁,要坐在後面就好。委員好。國務部長你好。你好。你辛苦。好。出國幾日?八天。 |
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北京喔,辛苦。我請問你,大總統聘請你的時候,剛好跟你講婦人發展不能講。沒這樣講。你沒這樣講嘛齁。你也是一個企業,我們南部的那個勇氣,勇敢面對台灣現在靈魂破局的困境。 |
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這個困境是大家都理解。如果用意識形態貫注在這個困境裡面,變成理我就都沒辦法理性在這個國會電檔來探討。所以大家開始對行政院長抓到你們這個團隊來的時候,我從來不問啊。這不一樣啦。這DNA跟民進黨的那個 |
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議席不講,這臺灣有救嗎?那個數不低,你回去吃一頓飯,你總要輸送去給改造的,你才會掛件名啊,有這麼大的魔力咧?我推你做不敢啦。我也是做過企業啊。 |
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7807.401 |
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7811.363 |
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如果一個企業跟別人就無法相識面對他自己的人生﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖﹖ |
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這樣就讓我把一個倒硬帳撥起來,等下再倒硬,在那裡遞湯。跳過人過。我這樣來有用看用,沒有用自己想了。大到八成、小到十成,我現在跟你講,倒硬帳在四天前,他還是選擇一個經濟發展委員會,你人又沒有在國內,好,我是替你打保不平,所以我今天不請你起來。 |
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謝謝委員,這個部分我相信所有的諮詢委員的意思就是平心共識。沒關係,我了解啦,有危困,你也不方便在這裡說。我聽說在這個國會的中間,大概已經40天,你是做一天把兌現標示你對這個進步。 |
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有冠琴的想法,你怎麼表達?我相信我們這個團隊都是組織,我隨時都可以跟議長報告,隨時可以得到議長的支持。你當時因為人家跟我說的嘛,我認為說受到威脅,你應該勇敢來面對啦。你應該就是說用你的專業,用到你對台灣現在陷入這個困境, |
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7941.797 |
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大家都要來 我想說你去到美國還要說很多話 臺灣人很奇怪 要吃電 不用發電 要喝水 不用去水庫 我跟你講 不是臺灣人奇怪 是民進黨奇怪 我們都做不失的面對這個問題啊 所以對著你表達這個冠情就對了 我是感動深受 我可以理解 |
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7976.423 |
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大家再多多看一看,你之前有表達我們這個內閣很快就崩了,因為我已經跟議長說過了,老總統的性我太了解了,他這個人就是什麼,爹、嫁、四、胖、嫁、胖嘛,把你騙下來還不夠讓你大力去做事情,也給你對他有一個誤判。我不知道我這樣跟你說,你內心要退回啦,他希望你就是替他去突破這個新珠牌, |
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結果你大家開始不錯喔!他對你的風評也不錯喔!這個部長沒顧及我用他的課金!結果你一個突破沒弄的!跟郭建明吃一頓飯就要救他!這就表示你不瞭解辣兄弟了!其實他聘請你來做部長就是希望你去突破!那你可以動外顧,那是基礎啊! |
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你去突破讓他有空間來調整整個國家的臨環政策,這樣你對台灣提出貢獻,這是你最大的功能。如果你如果是回到那個恢復靈的新珠牌裡面,這樣這個部長他就不需要你了嘛,對不對?他就親自叫民進黨,這樣完美化繼續做就好了,所以要贏你的精髓在這裡。 |
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你沒去提回到,所以才造成這一個月以來的矛盾。保證你看看,你不用聽到,我知道你為難啊。啊你也不...政治倫理你也不便在這裏表達這個啦。有要繼續拚嗎?我們現在說負0.3兆嘛,7月9日。不過他剛才在跟人家說,啊你發生什麼事,我違法行政。我也知道,你也違法行政。我也違法行政。你沒一個態度。 |
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經濟部願意針對這個法提出你的版本嗎?經濟部如果我們團圓如果我們同歸這個...不用團圓同歸,我們在修法,你有要收聽?我跟你說,你不能都靠我啦!你拿我的棍頭不去做事,對不對?我是沒差的,我敢跟你收聽的,但是你敢讓我聽嗎?謝謝,我相信應該可以讓你聽啦。 |
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8107.61 |
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你給我停就對了!所以你為這樣說就算了嘛對不對?是啊!所以這婚姻部結束了台灣人要死嘛!說要派天還要發生什麼?我告訴你以前我們騎摩托車是吃離陷阱的,你看我差不多變那個肥啦!離陷阱的你有沒有騎過?我們南部對不對?離陷阱的?對!你還要知道離陷阱! |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
來,主委院長請備選 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
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市長你辛苦了,但是要謹記,一定會聽你的啦。謝謝。議長,這就是世界第一名,國家第21、20、23年,逆行比賽第一名的冠軍啦。這就是全世界大家看得很恐怖,在我們台南落架。 |
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8208.195 |
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太陽能發電的過程究竟我一直跟你們說,你們都跟我說有辦法。因為不是不能發電太陽能,我們南北南無人擺脫太陽能發電你聽到沒有?是。台南第一名,屏東現在第二名要走,要走過我們台南了。你這次不知道有回去旁邊看一個沒有啊。衝到農民是要哭無幕賽啦。 |
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8214.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8227.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
我告訴你這個告言在哪裡?他就是因為我們國家委員會發言,沒辦法立法,我們在發言我們要用政策來支持,對不對?這合理啊!可是他利用我們政策,模糊的空間,讓你有順便空,我告訴你,農地買賣賣水你知道嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
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8250.074 |
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他用農地買賣,然後用假的實機定期,就是說我給你買2億,我定期6億,給各農民的,他是免稅的。我們不免稅就有這個定期6億叫這個實機定期,他實在負2億而已,啊如果我公告這裡發不報告,不再調查,叫他爆起來。 |
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8273.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
如果要銀行做多少,可以做4億美金。像韓文的就對了,可以做4億美金。我們的銀行是專業配合,為什麼銀行要做4億美金?銀行沒有了,因為他說未來20年發展的收入可以推行。所以銀行沒有風險,再來他的設備,銀行一樣可以貸款。我們的機緣就先在我們公司、我們的國家。 |
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8322.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
每兩天他就先給兩天給我回覆!你對阿!你跟我說,我跟你說的是過去的局局到你到英台的內閣,完全沒有關閉!這我也跟你回覆啦!但是你如果沒查就變成保庇!你就有關閉!會查!會查!簽訂會查!會查!你這個查不是為了我吃兩次的查!當然不是!為台灣人!是! |
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為臨後,我告訴你,我們現在要對10%、85%到15%、發展到30%未來啦!因為你,如果婚姻,可以重複,這是好事,我們是要動! |
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8344.714 |
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8355.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
你若這個太陽能發電若沒有下升到25%以上,我會說你現在在說的20%沒有,甚至沒有30%以上,未來跟這個世界的脫費、脫款,我告訴你,這企業沒有幾個賺得到的。我再重新告訴你,過去的八年,脫款的事情, |
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| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8378.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
很不敢,政府抗爭,選舉選出來,什麼都沒來中,什麼都沒來中,尤其歐盟,最近美國這個系統,大家想我講一大堆,你也知道,過的。九年八月,在台灣有升入託還教育中心, |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8429.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
那實在講,那摩斯暗脈啊,很難看,很漏氣啊,我有教育沒有啊。啊你說要打擊五金,聖地兄說要打擊五金啊。你知不知道我們的打擊教育中心深在哪裡?打擊的社會,我們現在要建立一個改組。打擊的教育中心啊,教育所啦。你不知道我們台灣有打擊教育所?就這麼講的那個公林,都... |
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8453.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
我們有勝任的,我們九年八月國高有勝任的。沒有公認,我知道。沒有公認,沒有公認基礎,那勝任在哪裡我告訴你。這個雷震、雷雷感的慶富案你知道嗎?你聽到沒有?你知道嗎?把我們掏空兩百多個。這個高野宿竟然去勝任在慶富大樓的二樓。現在為什麼民進黨欠他很多錢?還是台灣人欠他很多錢? |
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8461.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
8462.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
臨時訪問委員：完整會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
租金安裝裝修復安裝,那讓檢察官去查啦,那跟你沒關係啦。我跟你說的就是這樣嘛。我調查一下給委員報告。水安有國家隊,雞蛋有國家隊。我可以有國家隊,我感覺你心裡還要有心脾氣的手段嘛。你知道現在國大變異,這輸贏都不夠嘛。 |
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8510.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8525.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
為什麼你會把這個輸掉換下來?你換下來是正確的。你沒換下來,我跟你說,我泡沫就把你開下去了。我完全尊重法務部他們的臨時的考慮啦,我支持。因為怎麼樣?這輸液,可以成立國家隊嗎?你把一間人本來在生產,不管這間公司對不對,他就違規你給他出發嘛。出發變不成生產嘛。他的三年那天大。 |
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8541.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8542.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
你現在還開三、四倍錢去外面靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜靜 |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8589.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
這次會獲勝算：在國家的監控之下：可以這麼大策略嗎?我們最近剛才還在想要加強到這個公司進行協調：要怎麼來改善：不用協調啦：你用堂堂：你用堂堂：你用堂堂：沒影響到我們公司企業原本的寬約之下：用堂堂的大策略去執行：改革聯名之急：這才是做事情的態度啦：你懂嗎?還有齁 |
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| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
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謝謝,謝謝委員 |
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謝謝卓院長報告院會經濟組織質詢已詢答完畢,休息10分鐘,休息之後進行財政組織質詢,現在休息。 |
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報告院會現在繼續開會進行財政組織質詢。請謝委員依奉質詢。謝謝主席。我想要請卓院長跟財政部莊部長。 |
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來左院長還有財政部長請備詢請問我們莊部長今年我們的稅會不會超收跟委員報告今年大概到5月底為止我們的稅收的狀況 |
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其實還不錯應該達成今年度的預算目標是沒有問題但是呢可以超過多少目前還不確定因為要等9月的營所稅暫繳稅款確定後才明朗 |
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但是預算是我們初步估計是可以達成根據你們統計資料1到5月的你們的時針數是1兆3263億按照你們財政部的分配預算數是1兆1784億 |
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所以1到5月為止你們超收的是1479億對不對跟委員報告您說的依照3263億這個實收數是全國數這個全國數是包含地方稅以及有的進入到特別特種基金的那中央的實收數是8981億我說的是你不用分這個就是全國嘛是全國數對 |
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目前來說達成數全年預算數是41% |
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是不是那是不是已經那是您提的是分配數嗎對比分配數多了1479億是不是對沒必要沒必要我們沒有必要在這裡左右啊是不是是哈但不全都是中央的那我問你對主要的達成預算分配數的 |
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主要的大部分是政交稅因為今年的股市因為它在我們在實際在估的時候是一天的日均量是3563億但是到5月底為止大概平均數日均量是4800億所以日均量高的話政交稅收取的就比較高 |
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那另外是中所稅也是因為利息所得還有一些股利所得分配的多所以中所稅也收的比原來營業稅裡面的金融業營業稅我看你們已經達成了170 |
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金管會已經報你們了,是不是他希望 |
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就是我們的當沖交易稅可以減免繼續減免你們的態度是如何有關當沖降稅這個部分依照目前的規定是到今年年底落日那是不是要繼續實施以及這樣做調整這個部分我們跟金管會還持續在相關的資料在會診討論當中 |
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主委,你是不是有送財政部?是,我們今年年初已經把我們的意見送給財政部了。你們希望降稅,那為什麼財政部不給降?沒有,不是不給降,是對於資料送來,我們希望再進一步收集更多的資料。那對於金融業的營業稅是否有調降?或者是維持原狀? |
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經管會你們目前的態度是如何?我們對金融營業稅的那個態度我們也已經跟那個財政部已經報告過了。那我們主要是認為說因為主要是金融業的特性我們認為說未來呢就原來提撥的部分我們繼續保留但是未來希望那個稅率能夠調降 |
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那至於稅率調降多少是由財政部的選擇。稅率調降財政部你同意同意。跟委員報告最主要您會關心到金融一頁稅最主要是金融一頁稅有部分原來是有部分要進入到金融業特別準備金那這個進入特別準備金的部分也落日了在今年年底落日所以主委剛剛也說對金融特別準備金已經提撥在裡面的希望保留在還是保留在這個準備金裡面來適應這個未來金融業需求 |
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那至於未來的稅率是怎麼樣這個部分我們也會跟金管會討論對金融業是怎麼樣的有幫助能夠提升國際的競爭力等等我們會再做一個進一步的討論可是我看金融營業稅是提前達標代表我們金融業的那個就是說營收是非常好的是不是因為利息高嘛又有升息嘛所以金融業稅也有增加 |
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所以這個部分還是要考量是不是?當然我們這個部分會一起考量,不是只有這個稅的…那按照你們整體的稅收模型,今年度預估達成喔,除了達成預算數以外,超收的這個機率是如何? |
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我知道可是你們畢竟要有預估嘛是不是預估的話我們初步大概是現在還很難講我覺得應該還是要到下半年才能夠更明朗我覺得這個時候說也不是很準啊 |
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已經都超今年度1到5月已經超過1479億了卓院長如果今年超售的時候你要怎麼用是報告委員 |
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最近的時增數跟預算數會發生這種落差是因為我們編訂的時候是一年前經過很多的國際因素國內因素我不是問你這個問題啊我問你要怎麼用我要講的就是他超增多少那當然是預估但重要的是我說問你要怎麼用時增數多的它的用途在哪裡我問你怎麼用要不要給其他非六都的縣市65歲以上的民眾跟六都一樣健保免費 |
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不是我覺得他應該補先補這個差短然後再補債務那還有一些特籌特別統籌還是還是我們要修裁劃法我們要不要修裁劃法這個要順序下來我們要不要修裁劃法賴總統在擔任市長的時候以及他在擔任行政院長的時候他說要修裁劃法你認為現在要不要修裁劃法 |
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財化法報告大院裡面已經在討論嘛,那我們認為現在財化法在實行這麼多年下來,中央對地方的補助較8年前增加了兩三千億,三千四百億。有沒有修的必要?還是賴總統也要放在總統府,還有在成立一個財化收支的委員會?會不會他自己來做?是不是?這個不需要。 |
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所以為什麼當初他希望做而今天執政了是因為你卓院長當行政院長他就不想要做了是不是 |
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所以你的說法跟財政部的莊部長一樣嘛先解決水平再解決垂直那是不是拖遲那為什麼不先解決垂直再解決水平呢?是不是? |
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先解決垂直分配,不要讓中央集權又集錢嘛。過去25年前在動審之後我們就討論要修財化收支法,但是到了現在我們還不願意把多的錢分配給地方,如果政府不願意 |
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就是自己來做65歲以上的人讓所有的民眾能夠在六都跟在其他縣是一視同仁嘛那你們不做讓國民黨的地方政府來做嘛好不好報告委員我剛剛說我再說一次現在跟8年前相比給地方的補助多了3400億而且還有我們整體的預算也增加了我的意思就是說不修任何的 |
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你昨天說要找互證單位比對資料將適婚年齡的未婚青年跟結婚好幾年沒有生子的都一起那請問有沒有侵犯到 |
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謝謝委員我再次的說明昨天到互證日的頒獎其中有一個獎項就是人口政策的這個措施獎勵的機油獎所以我鼓勵現場的人員希望他們這個基礎上運用更多的AI技術去更精準的投放一些政策的宣導跟獎勵的措施給適合年齡的人是這個用意絕對沒有超越現在的做法 |
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我一直主張AI要民主AI以不侵犯人權的AI有民主素養的AI所以絕對不會侵犯人權昨天的講法也絕對沒有超越不要不要不要AI是中性的啦AI有沒有民主素養都 |
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兩位請回,我想要請那個楊總裁跟我們的彭主委 |
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總察跟主委院長謝謝你你要站著是不是?沒關係啊,你要站著,好好好,你站你站我是說你可以回座說 |
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你要站著是不是?好,你站,你站。院長,你要回座休息嗎?沒關係沒關係。你要站著是不是?好好好。欸,楊總裁,我想請教一下,就教一下。就是今年大家都,就是外界都在盛傳,也在研究喔,9月份美國聯準會法會降息嗎?那你的看法是如何? |
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是,那個市場是做這樣的一個Pricing,有這樣的一個預期。有這樣的預期,你的看法勒?市場也蠻那個的啦。你有很多估計模型啊,你的估計模型勒?我是覺得就是說美國在下半年這邊它有降息的機會。有,是不是?是。如果它降了。是。 |
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我們央行會不會跟著降?我注意到了,你的央行的理監事會就在連整會的後面。是,我跟委員報告,當然就是說利率升降是由理事會來決定。 |
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那不過呢我就說美國這樣那大家都猜就是說中央銀行也會這樣那其實我在幾次的那個場合我也是這麼回答了就是說事實上台灣的情況跟美國的情況也不盡然是相同啦 |
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所以就是說不是說全球都要這樣那台灣就一定這樣但是就是說台灣會看國際的情況是怎麼樣我們國內的情況是怎麼樣來做這個決定那這是理事會來決定的好所以你是有條件的不一定會跟他講什麼條件你會跟著他講 |
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如果說像說那個美國他調降的主要的目的是第一個他的經濟情況就是下來了主要的是說他的通膨下來他的經濟情況也是下來那在這兩種情況之下他就會調降 |
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那臺灣的話呢我們的通膨率到目前為止都已經到差不多是在2%左右啦都已經在2%左右那我們的經濟成長呢雖然是今年比去年好但是呢是稍微就是說復甦那在動力是因為去年是積極的關係對不對對對對有一部分委員是沒有錯是有一部分是積極的一個因素對沒有錯 |
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我們昨天去看財經公司,我有看到了對於數位貨幣的推廣,你們說到了我們現在所採用的就是real-time growth settlement,我們的交易量每秒可以到達100幣。 |
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是比現在你們推估就是你們的技術去識別化的區塊鏈技術每秒只能10筆那你預計什麼時候我們去識別化去中心化的區塊鏈技術可以到達每秒100筆以上的所以現在才是正在那個 |
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你們的資本額多少? |
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他的資本額昨天他也有說明阿是是是你們資本額很高欸你EPS也很好欸阿你說了不用分配回去但是你們賺錢要回饋我們一般民眾嘛是不是 |
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我昨天呢針對這個問題我也有表達我個人的意見就是說像財經公司呢他是比較屬於科技方面的啦那科技方面的你如果說看看其他國家的科技像我昨天也講了還有 |
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好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝卓院長下一位我們請審發會委員質詢 |
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主席我們請卓院長請這個金管會議彭主委卓院長還有彭主委請備詢委員好委員長早彭主委早委員好我想今天利用這個很短的總視訊的時間我想就針對我們這個有關於 |
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我們要打造這個亞洲資產管理中心這個政策目標來進行探討 |
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因為這個打造亞洲資產管理中心這個不只是我們賴清德總統在去年選舉期間12月的時候提出來的一個重要的政見那在這個5月31號的施政報告我們卓院長也在施政報告裡面也特別有提到這個打造亞洲資產管理中心這個將推動這個作為未來的施政中心作為金管會未來的施政中心那 |
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我看到彭主委我們在上個月6月17日那時候有做一個宣布就是說預計要在8月20日也就是就任滿三個月的時間要提出這個有關亞洲資產管理中心的相關的規劃 |
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那這個部分我想就在今天這個時候因為打造這個亞洲資產管理中心這個確實是一個非常重要而且也是美麗的一個願景但是事實上這個民間或者是業界大家最擔心的就是過去我們政府常常有許多的 |
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現在是剛剛 |
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委員所說我們在總詢詢提之前施政報告提出了其中包括亞洲資產管理中心而且不滿委員我們剛剛休息的時候我們兩位還在後面的休息室談下一個階段要怎麼做那就提到說在兩個月之後就是8月20左右那個時間這個今晚會要如何來促使這個事情 |
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那他已經有一個報告這個報告就在等一下跟稍晚他會來跟我再做一個詳細的說明那報告我看在他的手上已經是這個部分我也很期待因為距離8月20差不多剩下差不多50天的時間而已其實時間不久應該現在相關的計畫大家最重要是說提出這個規劃之後我個人是是希望說不要說提出這個規劃之後大家事實上這個包括業界包括民間所期待的相關的許多改革他的幅度卻讓人失望這個是最 |
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這個最要避免了,所以我利用這個在我們規劃提出還有50天的時間今天特別跟彭主委來做一些溝通,那院長你可以請回啦那我來跟這個彭主委來討論這些相關的這些這些有關這個打造亞洲資產管理中心的相關細節這個 |
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彭主委我想打造亞洲資產管理中心這是我們的目標但是事實上整個亞洲其他有相關的國家與城市大家也希望都在競爭大家都在都是彼此競爭所以我在我希望說我們所提出來這個計畫我就以這個目前看到說也是希望打造這個他們自己成為一個亞洲資產管理中心的這個日本 |
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以日本相關的這些政策來作為借鏡日本事實上從岸田首相上任之後這2021年他們就提出了一個所謂這個金融市場存入辦公室這樣子的一個做法這是一個流程 |
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到2022年的時候岸田首相提出這個新資本主義這樣的主張到去年他更就完整的提出了一個他們叫做這個資產運用立國實現計畫這裡面都有各種不一樣的部分而且我個人認為有許多值得我們借鏡的地方尤其是我們要跟他們競爭我們將來我們8月20所推出來的方案 |
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我個人認為說要足以跟這個日本他們所提出來這些相關的改革計畫至少具有競爭力我們才有辦法打造這個我個人在3月8號那時候你們還沒有上新內閣還沒有上任那時候的總質詢我個人就針對他們那個所謂金融准入 |
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﹚一、 |
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你暫時全英文的這個一條龍的這個申請流程這部分齁這部分他們這個東西不只是提出申請的部分啦他們整個整個包括包括你在這個從諮詢的階段開始諮詢的階段一直到註冊的階段到監理未來的監理甚至跟未來這個相關公會的之間的聯繫公文全部都用英文 |
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這樣子的環境來吸引外資這部分有沒有放入我們未來的計畫當中?這部分我們有同仁專案在研究有關日本金融特區的內容那這個當然是未來我們如果要吸引國外的投資或吸引國外的資產管理公司來台灣一個必備的我們也會在全面檢討這樣一個英語申請的過程 |
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這個不只是申請喔,我在強調日本他們所推出的這個金融準數辦公室,他們所推出的他們是一條龍式的,從諮詢開始。 |
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從諮詢一直到這個未來的註冊到未來我們金管會對他的監理甚至包括他跟相關公會之間的文件以後跟相關公會的文件來往都是全英語這樣子的環境其實打造並不容易因為你相關的公會相關我們公務人員相關公關機關相關的這些語言 |
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議員能力也要有一定的人力基礎。這個部分我希望說能夠納入這個部分。那這個部分因為我在3月在之前的統治局已經大致上討論過了。那接下來所以我今天就是比較重要就是跟這個主委來談有關於這個我們這個 |
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日本他們暗點首相在去年所提出來這個資產運用立國實現計畫他裡面其實大概分成幾個部分第一個他提出一個所謂這個這個資產所得倍增資產所得倍增計畫這個應該主委應該清楚另外他們提出兩個改革的重點一個是公司治理的改革另外一個呢就是資產管理業跟資產所有者的改革 |
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我們要成為一個亞洲資產管理中心這個資產管理業的這個改革我想一定是非常重要的重點那我想在8月20號所提出來我們未來將要提出來的這些相關規劃裡面我相信這個有關資產管理業的相關的這些規定 |
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不管是法規不管是稅制不管是吸引外資的這些相關的規定應該要有大幅度的改革否則的話以我們現在我們先來看看我們的現況日本他們這個日本他們所提出來有關這個資產管理業的這些他們的改革的裡面就我剛講的資產管理業跟資產所有者的改革 |
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他們在去年的11月20做了一個重大的修法,就是有關日本金融商品取銀法。我們台灣沒有相對應的法,我們台灣就是分為政交法、集交法、投信投顧法。那他們日本整個是整合成一個金融商品取銀法。他們針對金融商品取銀法,他們做了大幅度的修正。 |
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為什麼他們要做大幅度的修正?就是他們日本他們自己自己日本政府他們看到他們在資產管理業的規模他們資產管理的規模跟他們的GDP在這個整個世界的競爭上面事實上是相對來講他們是弱勢的因此他們必須要修改相關的法令來做這方面的改變 |
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他們日本他們就覺得說他們這樣子的的有關這個這個資產管理規模跟他們的GDP的這些倍數甚至他們資產管理業的這些公司的加的這些加數他們都認為說遠遠不足啦遠遠不足那我就做了一個比較啦我就做了一個比較這個這個比較前面的這一部外國的部分我是直接就就引這個日本他們的這個這個這個資產運用 |
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這個立國實現計畫裡面的數據但是最後有關臺灣的部分是我這邊自己統計的那這個如果有錯誤也請這個主委這個報告委員那我們以臺灣的那個投硬投固在管理的資產規模現在大概是本國大概是8兆然後國外是4兆總共12兆對對對8兆我這邊講0.3兆是美金因為他前面這些計算都是美金美金計算所以我這個統計應該是沒有錯 |
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所以你看這個日本齁日本他們7.2兆美國50兆英國13.5兆法國5.7兆新加坡4兆香港4.6兆台灣才0.3兆美金那我們就看他這個他跟GDP之間的關聯日本他是7.2兆他是GDP的1.4倍美國是 |
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的這個資產管理規模是他們GDP的2.1倍英國到4.3倍然後新加坡是9.4倍香港是12.5倍那臺灣呢臺灣是GDP的一半一半這個這個就顯示我們的這個資金跟金融的人才事實上以現況來講事實上是有外流之餘就從這些數字上面來判斷那這個這個 |
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我想這個有關有關現在這樣子的現況齁主委我們在用什麼樣的方式來做一些改變?這個鮑威啊主要是我們也有仔細的研究一下我們所謂的世界上我們臨近的這些所謂的金融中心或資產管理中心比如說我們可以概分為兩個模式一個是新加坡模式跟杜拜模式他大概就是引資為主他本身並沒有很多的產業像我們看日本 |
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日本的發展模式我覺得是很值得我們借鏡比如說他剛剛的不管高度、廣度、深度跟一般性都值得我們參考比如說他是由首相來做一個宣示我們是總統的政見再來就是比如說他的廣度他結合他的NISA國民教育還有金融倍增這是全套的不是只有資產管理再來就是他的深度他把全國作為發展的眾生比如說東京都當作傳統的金融中心來發展他的大阪就結合他的產學研做創新的基地 |
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他們提出了四個對對福岡、北海道跟九州最重要是他還有北海道的雜黃做那個綠色金融所以他是個全套的我覺得這是非常有值得參考再來他剛剛委員有提到他提供一般性也對一些外商非常友好或是對資本比如剛才英語的環境提供永久居留權稅還有一些費用的減免程序而且這些都是我們可以來參考的 |
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剛剛委員也提到就是說我們臺灣的特色臺灣是有產業有產業所以我們初步規劃就是我們除了像傳統新加坡引財為主我們留財更重要怎麼樣做到投資臺灣知識產業發展這樣的一個資產管理中心我覺得這是一個未來發展我想齁這個剛剛主委講這個是相當正確的但是也非常全面那我現在集中在有關這個資產管理業的這些相關的 |
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規定就是我剛所講日本這些這個商品取行法的修正事實上修正他們這個 |
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其實修正的內容有很多啦我就這個有關資產管理業的部分他們過去日本他們在這個他們這個就商品規劃跟這個投資執行還有他們甚至這些中後台的作業他們日本過去是完全你說這些這些資產管理業都要自己做他們現在那我們台灣我們台灣是應該是這個中後台作業可以委外但是我們在這個商品規劃跟投資執行 |
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投資執行的部分不能委外啦應該目前的投信投估是這樣子那日本他們現在要整個鬆綁他們希望鬆綁到這個讓投資執行跟中後台作業整個都可以委外來執行那我們這個未來這個部分我們有沒有相關的這樣的方向規劃 |
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這個部分齁 這個這個 |
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我想這個主委自己有講其實這整個我們這個有關要讓台灣變成有具有競爭力的這個亞洲資產管理中心有大概幾個面向像這個法規法規的鬆綁這個一定是其中重要的一環那其他的包括你這個充沛的專業人力這個是我們主委所講的充沛的專業人力另外資金要能夠自由移動這牽涉到我們的這個 |
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這個匯率管制另外就是要有具吸引力的稅制這個部分是我最擔心的我今天本來想請財政部長上來跟你再談一談說我們相關的這些稅制未來這些稅制不用了現在已經剩下不到一分鐘了 |
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稅制的改革這個部分恐怕也是我們這次整個這個能不能成功的打造這個亞洲資產管理中心的一個核心議題這個部分這個要具有吸引力的稅制再來就是創造容易溝通的環境我剛剛有提到這樣類似全英語這樣子的方式最後就是一個彈性的組織架構這是主委所講的我希望說這個我們 |
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我們一定努力謝謝委員謝謝沈委員 |
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報告委員會現在在議場二樓的貴賓是美國國會助理訪問團的朋友們。我們在此歡迎他們的參訪。報告委員會中嘉賓委員之質詢以書面提出,請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報。下一位請林德福委員質詢。 |
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謝謝大院主席江副院長。是不是請那個卓院長。請卓院長備選。委員好。卓院長你好。卓院長我請教,因為臺灣 |
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消費者物價上漲率CPI已經連續三年超過2%,通膨成為近年最受關注的議題。不過對於外界習慣定2%為通膨的警戒線,央行現在認為臺灣屬於小型開放的經濟體, |
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採取彈性的整個物價穩定的定義應較為妥適。那我請問院長採取彈性的物價穩定定義的做法通膨警戒標準是不是成為變動指數 |
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電動的一個指標是不是先跟我們報告我們今年的預期會比去年好一點2.07今年比去年稍微就是我們強力在穩定物價那我也知道民眾的一般生活就是跟他生活息息相關的核心的物價他會感受比較深用平均來算當然大家會認為說好像事實有點差距所以央行在精進整個計算的過程當中我們請央行來說明 |
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我跟委員報告基本上這個2%是大家都一般都認為就是說它是一個警戒線那不過呢就一個small open就是一個小型開放的經濟體來講的話事實上呢在2%左右應該都可以接受了那在武漢民間預測機構要依據哪種 |
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這個標準定義會通膨?是那大概也是是這樣子大概都是2%左右2%左右因為本期是認為說如果標準台性過大又會不會造成預測單位各說各話?應該也是不會因為就是說我們所謂的2%左右這個也不是說短期就是說今年是這樣事實上呢所謂的2%是中長期的平均數 |
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那也就是說你可能一年的時候你可以高於2%,然後有些時候你會低於2%,但是中長期的時候平均在2%左右的話應該都可以接受的。 |
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事實上從消費者物價指數變動乃至於要定義為通膨率民眾關心的只有一點那就是從荷包拿錢買東西不要變貴但要怎麼樣讓民眾不覺得買東西變貴本席認為說20多年來 |
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國內民眾所得差距極端化,貧富差距持續的加劇,就是近年來持續討論卻又無藥可醫的一個問題。那請問院長,到底貧富差距所得差距極端化是不是資本主義社會民主國家下不可逆的一種現象呢? |
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不可否認他是一個因素但是政府都會用很多的其他的方法手段去平衡這些數字數字上的差距其實我們在最近公布的111年的數據是6.15 |
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所以這幾年剛剛也提到政府從中央預算 |
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所以說你認為目前政府所擁有的政策工序是不是都已經擺上用場了? |
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因為媒體報導政府面對通盟的作為,央行認為伴隨全球化、走向零碎化等結構性因素的轉變 |
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那我請問院長 |
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央行所說的財政政策哪些是現在政府已經實施在物價穩定上,你認為有哪些? |
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我跟委員報告事實上我們這幾年我們的物價會跟歐美國家相對的我們比較穩定是在供給面因為我們是實施供給面譬如說當然就是說對這個油電的一個濕納這是一個就是供給面另外一個就是關稅啦營業稅啦還有那個貨物稅這個調降這個都是供給面 |
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總裁那個其實齁那個是我們超徵你看這兩年包括所有的電費這個電台電阿他的損失等於是他的虧損五千多億捏也是政府去補貼這個都是人民的納稅錢那其實這個當然主要就是因為他虧損年年那講實在話再進一步去 |
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議員長 |
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其實從520你就任行政院長後當然臺股大盤高點就從21300多點上漲到23400多點短短30個交易日臺股大漲了2000多點原本就本席來觀察從臺股今年年初開紅盤到現在幾乎可說是從17000多點持續上漲不回頭那我請問院長 |
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年初至今臺股上漲5000多點到底是我們的整個經濟表現的強勁帶動股市還是去年我們整個經濟景氣低迷那今年是互輸的一個回溫所以說才有這樣的一個反彈力道的導致 |
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您的看法呢?那你認為? |
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每個投資的廣告都會下這一句話大家應該投資者應該有心理的準備他應該算準自己的能量以及大家對未來的形勢的掌握能夠精準的投資 |
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委員長事實上臺股和美股一樣屢創新高從一般角度來看主要還是受惠經濟基本面支撐及對未來整個景氣的預期按照央行第二季理監事會討論的預期這個楊總裁表示說今年內內外需會回溫因此調高經濟成長率3.77%那我請問院長今年經濟成長率向上調 |
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你怎麼來看臺股未來的整個前景?有什麼看法?目前整個臺股大盤是不是已經提前反映經濟成長率的上調?還是經濟成長後勢? |
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可期,那台股大盤上攻的空間能就大有可為。總裁你有什麼看法?是啦,我想剛剛那個委員也有提到就是說國際的股市都是像美國它也是創新高,歐洲也是創新高,日本創新高,日本只是說它創新高以後再稍微回檔 |
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台股大盤理狀新高 |
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院長 |
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央行表示國內經濟上半年社會剛剛陳如總裁所提的能工智慧AI的熱潮相關產品出口暢旺那國內下半年則是輸出文件的成長帶動民間整個投資貢獻轉正而且民間消費的動能延續是支撐經濟成長的重要來源再加上主計總數今年 |
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政府一定會提出前瞻的政策 |
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我們一定要提供穩定的政策這是必要的 |
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照那個卓院長講,如果國內緊急持續的回溫,那台股大盤未來是不是還有期待向上的空間呢?你的看法呢?需要努力,大家一起努力。大家一起努力。那另外我再請那個莊部長一併上來,那個請總裁跟主委先回去。那個卓院長,因為財化法在民國88年修到現在為止,已經啊 |
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經過了25年那這個因為財務法因為我在財委會算是資深也經過很多次的修訂但是主要 |
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以前每一次只要修各縣市的財政局局長來有的首長來但是為什麼沒有辦法達成共識因為他都是本身站在自己的立場觀點來看整個財化法未來要如何修如何分配但是其實要是說這些縣市因為縣市不是只有藍的綠的也有甚至於綠的他們也提出說應該要修正 |
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才華法。而且齁我認為說在這個上上個禮拜還上個禮拜齁這個我們財委會有修有一個臨時提案就是一定要在下一次我們開會前由財政部啊你提出你們的版本來來審那到底現在的進度如何那有沒有提出來在這下一次 |
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就是會期開始的時候會被提出來就是併進去審查那個部長你有什麼看法 |
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跟委員報告,您因為在台委會很久,您也知道,那麼25年來,行政院曾經提過5次的版本,但是都因為沒有共識,所以沒有能夠玩自由版。那這一次呢,就是我們其實已經去調查過各地方政府對於分配的指標表達意見,但是非常的分歧,所以這個部分我們必須要去凝聚共識,到目前來說分歧性很大。 |
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那上一次財委會通過那個決議他是建請我們提出版本那這個部分呢我們會在近期會再請地方政府還有各部會來還有相關的部會要是到財委會大家取得共識你們要不要提版本嗎我就是請教你部長跟院長嘛所謂的共識就是第一個就是大家認為說應該怎麼樣分配比較合理 |
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對那現在問題還是很分歧分歧那是你講的但是我們有徵詢過事實上是有很多縣市他們已經有達到某種共識認為說應該要來修而且那個比例應該要怎麼調因為 |
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委員其實中央每年釋出總共有8000多億到地方統籌分配稅款 |
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好 |
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好,我們謝謝林委員好,謝謝卓院長吳秉瑞委員之質詢已書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入記錄刊登公報下一位請黃珊珊委員質詢謝謝主席,我請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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黃委員好是院長好我想今天是財政部門的質詢所以大家大家都focus在才化法我想問一下院長才化法對你來說他是該修還是不該修我的想法是那個修修的修 |
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我的想法是說在現行的才化法的底下我們逐年中央對地方補助在增加。在這樣的方式繼續來行政。我只問您的個人看法25年了該修還是不該修?這張照片如果印象沒有錯的話它是2012年2012年的蘇貞昌主席在帶著 |
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賴清德市長還有民進黨團的總召他們召集的一個立法院的記者會也就是提出修法版本如果該修而沒有修就剛剛講沒有共識所以一直都沒有修過那我想請問一下如果現在制度很好為什麼91年游錫堃院長提96年張俊雄院長提97年賴清德市長跟 |
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科建民他將在立委的時候提然後101年潘孟安立委跟科建民又提版本所以我們想問一下落實地方自治充實地方裁員這是不是民主進步黨他們執政的理想沒有錯我們現在還是以均衡台灣的理念來做沒錯所以財政健全落實地方自治是每一個民主國家政府應該要捍衛的權利不是嗎 |
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是的第二個這個才化法大家就說他是一個魔戒開玩笑說國民黨執政了國民黨也不想休當民進黨執政之後民進黨想休是在他們在野的時候當拿到執政權一樣所謂的集權又集權所以讓這個魔戒一直拖不下來我今天要跟院長討論就是我也相信這是大家的信仰 |
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我們也希望地方政府他很清楚的知道他有多少財源他去努力他的地方財源他要得到合理的分配他要看到公開的資訊甚至比較透明的方案我覺得這個是才化法我們的精神所以我要跟院長說一下這個信仰從民進黨執政之前 |
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2011年陳其邁現在的市長說不可以讓中央政府再用空頭支票來騙人民當時的民進黨主席蘇貞昌說國家領導人沒有長遠的眼光起碼要有解決現在眼前問題的能力下一個是柯建民總長才化法是立法院黨團永遠的第一優先法案25年了好像都是他第一優先法案但是今年突然變成不是了 |
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當然是,我們希望均衡臺灣就是讓各地都能夠得到 |
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所以剛剛講的是過去我們看看最近 |
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最近的是去年12月賴清德總統的官方網站裡面講得非常的清楚院長你也有參與他的總統選舉吧這個是賴清德總統的國家希望工程其中的一部分檢討統籌分配款的模式還有檢討地方稅法通則 |
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這個是落實增加分配公平性跟充實地方裁員。分配公式要多元客觀的地方特色指標,跟我們講的都一樣。所以我再問您一次,你們行政院要不要提出自己的版本?我們認為現在的版本是經過多年共識執行下來的。所以你覺得現在版本已經是最好的版本,那你們為什麼要提了4次的修法案? |
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我再問院長一次賴清德總統卓院長要不要落實? |
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總統的政見我們逐步在落實,這個內容就是我們如何在一般跟特別統籌分配款當中合理的 |
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只是檢討而已。我們可以在一般跟特別統籌分配稅款當中做合理的分配跟落實使用。我今天就是要確認說卓院長要落實但是不修法是嗎?我們認為現在的法律已經是中央地方合作的一個共同的經驗。如果現在的法律這麼棒民進黨當年就不用提了四次的修法這四次的修法講到都是一樣改變垂直分配檢討水平分配 |
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我現在給院長看一下你們的版本跟我們這一次現行法的版本還有國民黨版以及民眾黨版的比較。 |
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這四次民進黨的提案其實跟現在的現行版跟我們的版本我們民眾黨的版本跟民進黨的版本是最像的第一營業稅全部給地方這是歷年來民進黨的主張燕酒稅全部給地方這也是歷年來民進黨的主張而且有關所得稅的分配包括到最後一次柯建民跟潘孟阿的提案他們提的比民眾黨的提案還要兇啊 |
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他從10%變20%我的意思是說這些都是一個大家幾乎是長期來有共識的範圍第二個部分臺灣民眾黨的版本裡面很清楚的是跟民進黨版本一樣我們希望能夠納入地方的意見還有專家學者意見我們希望成立分配委員會當年的民進黨版本也是希望納入所謂地方的意見以及學者專家這次的版本其實跟民進黨版本比較雷同我再問一次 |
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院長,你們對以前民進黨版本這幾個原則,營業稅下放地方,菸酒稅下放地方,以及成立所謂的專家學者以及地方代表加入的所謂分配原則的檢討,您個人支持嗎?顧問委員報告,在現行的這個才華法底下,我們都願意聆聽各方的意見,那有機會可以共同的討論。我們講了半天,你還是不修法,是嗎? |
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我們現在就是現行的版本是足以讓我們對地方做十足的幫忙。所以剛剛林德福委員講得很清楚,財政委員會建請下個會期之前希望看到行政院的版本,行政院的立場到今天為止,因為您上任之後我們看到的是民進黨團代替了行政院發言說民進黨不提版本,民進黨不提行政院版本,到今天為止依然是這個立場嗎? |
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我的想法一直很一致啊所以民進黨的執政黨不提,民進黨團也不提所以財政委員會審議的不會有行政院版本目前你的答案是這樣現行的版本就是我們的想法所以院長其實我蠻失望的啦因為提出一個修正版本並沒有干涉或影響到中央的權限但是你們有態度有方式把合理的部分我剛講沒有人要去 |
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但院長我希望 |
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您現在說的話兩個月後的下一個會期可能會有很大的衝突如果可以的話我希望你們還是審慎的去討論 |
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行政院要提出修正的版本不管怎麼樣好的版本我們也會支持你們報告委員能夠參考一下8年來在整個三項的補助款當中對地方實質增加3400億這個努力增加錢不等於現在的財化法是好的版本增加的預算是因為各種不同的因素而增加了地方的補助沒錯 |
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﹚中央的財政不錯,現在就跟你說了﹚ |
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相關分配方式這是我們希望我們提出來我們也希望行政院能夠聽進去就這個版本也希望院長好好的去參考一下回到剛剛看到的賴清德總統他在大選的官網符合這個原則下我希望行政院 |
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要怎麼落實必須要提出自己的議場否則我們在立法院有一個可能性因為上次在這邊跟院長討論最近大家都在上憲法課會不會民進黨團總召又說了只要是在野黨提出的才化法版本又是違憲會不會要看內容所以我們的版本如果跟當年的民進黨團的一模一樣就不違憲了嗎 |
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但是財政紀律法是有所改變的。是,所以重點是我們希望行政院 |
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提不提版本不要成為你們行政怠惰的藉口不要成為將來又要去復議釋憲的藉口如果行政院現在的態度是我不提版本你們提了就是違憲然後接下來我就是復議再過來我就是釋憲臺灣將永無明日啊院長我希望你們有版本的理由是希望行政院能夠正面的面對才化法必須修正的事實 |
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而且也是我想也是各縣市政府還有到目前為止各黨的共識。好嗎?院長。 |
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我們還是回到這個希望院裡面大院裡面那個朝委黨團有一個討論我們現在就是希望我們正在跟民進黨團討論啊那就是等財政部的版本啊但財政部到今天為止都不會回答我行政院的立場就是說我們現行的版本是可以執行的但是我們可以討論怎麼樣讓它更合理我們不影響你們的運作的情況下接下來我要問說復議的標準在哪裡剛剛講 |
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如果你們認為我們不合理的,或者是行政院沒有立場的,你們都認為是違憲嗎?都認為是至愛難行嗎? |
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自然難行它有一定的﹖所以違憲就自然難行但違憲是由行政院說了算﹖違憲當然自然難行但自然難行不一定違憲對所以不一定每一個案子都違憲是的但是你們認為違憲就違憲不是這要經過憲法法庭來做訴訟好我們現在最近在上憲法課我們突然間臺灣大家都在變成憲法專家第一違憲不等於違憲就一定自然難行嗎 |
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我們認為是。你們認為是。所以只要你們認為違憲的就無法執行。就無法執行。不能在沒有憲法的依據下做任何的違法行政。憲法70條現在是柯總召上口的。只要是立法院對於行政院所提的預算案不得為增加支出的倡提議。只要有提出預算的增加就是違憲。對嗎?是的。這是行政院的立場還是柯總召的立場?這是憲法的立場。這是憲法的立場。所以預算案你們認為這個當然沒有問題。但是 |
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法律案呢?法律案。我們現在憲法70條是預算案不得為增加支出的提議。大法官會解釋很清楚叫預算案。現在我要問的是法律案。法律增加支出到底是不是治安難行?是不是違憲?這邊有幾個。一個是原住民的進法補償。目前是行政院沒有版本。立法院提案。通過了。然後村里長事務被提高到五萬。這個沒有行政院的版本。通過了。 |
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那去年上一屆立法院增加了國際事務處增加了預算沒有行政院提案通過了請問行政院有沒有覆議要不要釋憲我們經過跟憲法公法學者的討論就是把預算這些不用釋憲這些不用覆議雖然不是預算案把預算直接進到法律名預算入法是那就有可能牽涉到這個憲法的精神所以就可能違憲 |
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我們認為這可能有侵犯憲法之餘所以透過專家學者我們考慮是不是就憲政的秩序來做一個解釋好所以院長我現在就可以告訴你所有的立法委員都會提出相關的所謂扶國立民不是減少人民的負擔就是增加政府的支出每一個計劃每一個提案都牽涉到預算所以你要對所有的法律案都有這樣的態度嗎 |
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但是如果把實質的預算金額直接入法,那就是一個可以爭議的地方。我希望你的標準就是,入法就這樣,所以以後我們不能通過任何法,因為只要你們不同意的。預算金額直接入法。噢,好,所以才化法不會違法,不會違憲。 |
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財化法是中央地方全縣的合理分財化法一方面是錢的問題一般是市者的問題院長我們今天不討論憲法我要講的是行政院的標準一致就好否則以後立法院提出所有的扶國立民的法案都可能違憲最後我想問一個到底我們現在融資公司大家有看到了嗎融資公司很多現在 |
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用各種手續費、代辦費、違約金、實質利率超過法定利率但是沒人管。我只想問接下去在之前我們的張俊雄行政院長當年他其實就訂過所謂的融資公司法雖然沒有通過但是他當時就訂了金管會市相關的主管機關 |
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目前為止臺灣所有的融資公司沒人管叫做經濟部管經濟部管的等於沒有人管然後現在金管會是用政企局然後說上市公司所以我們對那幾家來做管 |
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好,謝謝黃委員。謝謝卓院長。報告院會財政組之質詢已詢答完畢。本次會議未有委員提出臨時提案,就不進行臨時提案之處理。下午2點30分繼續開會,進行教育及文化組之質詢。現在休息。 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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觀賞 |
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報告委員會,現在我們繼續開會,進行教育及文化的質詢。首先我們請丁學中委員質詢。感謝院長,感謝我們國國會官員,我們在庭的立委動員,跟現場的各位委員會財政人。我在這裡請我們的院長以及我們政府長和理事長。 |
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麻煩請左院長以及教育部、文化部、教育部請備詢。議員好,謝謝院長好、兩位部長好。我首先在這裡請議長和兩位國長先看一看我們在地的裝置藝術的影片。 |
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本省一本省,全都全都是全省,勞動省市主管管,將本部管平省。 |
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院長報告,這是我們後衛的一款受歡迎金的裝置藝術。我們也邀請到我們的鋼雕大師楊柏林大師來打造成一個觀光景點。這也是我們後衛的地標,也是我們古代繫米打卡的一個地點。 |
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﹚議員 |
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委員長 |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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是比較久看了。在這我要請教李副長,我們副長是一個作家,也是曾經當過媒體的總經理。你是身為一個文化人,也是媒體人。我相信這個國際會議的文化是台灣人45、60年代共同的一個會議。但是當今年我們婦人館的藝文教育紮根的構造 |
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我先去看一個戲劇 |
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叫做卻視三姊妹,就是說用雲林作為一個傳統戲劇的一個中心,票賣得很好。但是我們整個﹚委員會到水橋,到委員會就對了。是啊是啊,所以這部分請你放心。 |
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文化部其實投資在傳統汽水大概有5億多,前面的計畫兩年大概有3800萬,最近我有一個計畫是4000多萬,所以沒有去砍預算的問題。 |
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沒有去看預算的問題,那部長就是確定會繼續支持我們的明顯的固態性。對,過去5年,我們文化部補助我們訓練這個國際奧細節,才有兩千萬的周遊的經費,這起因就全世界固態性。 |
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當國是有事的時候都來跟我們合夥來參加這個活動。而這個成功的活動我相信我們補充也希望說我們中央駐陸經費的療養,可以讓這個活動完了經過成功,我們想要繼續把它延續下去。不要說因為這個經費的問題,把這個成功的活動抓好十年,這不是我們所期待的,也不是我們政府對著這個文化推動所想要做的事情。 |
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拜託我們保證,希望可以演習到過去這個政策,支持我們訓練這個古代式的鄉下雜耕計畫,以及我們國是、國際奧士節的經費,這樣好不好?因為鮑德爾對台灣文化來講,國際推廣其實是最重要的議員,再沒問題。 |
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好,感謝國長有你一句承諾,我就放手了。在這,要請教教育部的政府長,當2014年,我們全國運動會主管單位是當我們副領館。我們存在超過一年的時間,需要我們教育國家制的一個協助,不管是當行政的國分,還是兩體委員會的國分,我們地方的訴求才要兩億。 |
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阿,咱教育部那全部活動到三天到這間會議是怎樣? |
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向委員報告,其實在醫術全國運動會場館的修繕,體育署已經有1億的經費另外在相關運動場館的經費也有預算1億5千萬,所以大概是 |
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基本上含咱委員所關心的這有關這一個陰陰性的運動場館 |
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長管設置的過分,我們長管設置的過分,一會兒過分我們分就到了。長管設置都要二十幾億的。我們是維修,因為一、四年我們婚姻投訴委員過,我們要辦全國運動會,所以在這個長管的修繕,包括相關的行政軟體維護的過分。大概就是委員所關心的投訴所說的掃墨、不會拆開房子。 |
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沒差太多啦,我們需要2億6千萬,沒差太多啦。對啦,這次會訪問喔,拜託補充又給我們倒三天啦。但這個運動經常設施喔,我們補起來是21億啦,21億啦。那如果啊,了解說我們教育顧家有可能會工作16億,找到16億嘛,是不是這樣? |
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我們基本上向委員報告就是說我們現在整個計劃裡面也現在剛才在這個在申請我們在希望能夠整體來考量整體考量,副長剩下一年的時間我們雲林縣整個全部縣民我們都全部都動起來來迎接114年的這個全國運動會 |
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主席 |
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告告通國即便來協助。﹚這天下定要過分啦。﹚順利讓一四年這個全國運動會要開辦之前都可以順利來完工。﹚順利可以這樣。 |
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報告委員請教育部、交通部看一下 |
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縣政府的請贈經費,如果有一些是地方自治事項,該地方處理的,我們來做一些協調。那中央一定全力,一起合力來辦好這個全運會。阿剛好院長也說話,我也要拜託院長一件事。我們福林縣小一級偏鄉的學校很多。 |
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﹚ |
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我再請教育部跟縣政府去現場或是綜合性的評估一下。在地方自治事項之外,中央政府應該來協助的,我們一起為小孩子的安全問題來著想。 |
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議員主席 |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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他們都有申請到我們這個老人熱靈的運動館,老人熱靈運動館,是希望說可以透過專業的教練來教到我們一些中國的師大做這個健康的運動,可以讓他們身體更加健康,這孩子都一定會比較高興,想要真的安靜,想要都可以專利來給我們支持。 |
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我們從小孩到老人,整體性的社會福利安全都必須要全面的顧慮到,那無論是他將來是不是一個長照機構或是一個在社區的活動中心的一個整個補助跟輔導,我們全力來研究怎麼樣來壓力。感謝院長,上禮拜五剛才也是這個時間第一次,第一年也是我出席了。上禮拜五剛好我生日,希望院長可以給我生日願望。 |
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天天快樂不是天天快樂支持我們因應縣因應縣的建設我就會快樂這樣好不好這樣拜託我們議長可以將對我們定例外所說的我們這個水利的建設以及我們農業的問題跟今天所說的 |
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謝謝委員對文化、對小朋友、對老大人的關心。 |
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五十年前,現在最有機緣,也是半夜去看野球,還是中午去看布袋戲,這都是小孩子陪著我們成長的。所以如果要如何保存、提升,向國際來推銷台灣文化,我是認為政府一定要委員同時來進行。 |
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我相信我們院長過去我擔任國民意代表你一定是做接地氣接地氣你也了解到地方的訴求所以我說的這就是真正真實是地方的訴求我們也是有機展起來我們也是非常希望說 |
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我既然來到這裡,來到立法院,我可以再次來替我們訓練官、我們所有鄉親、所有國防事務,來請我總部的一個職員來協助。也要我們中央政府來專利來幫我們倒三槓。好不好?好,希望馬尼的私立,我們這個訓練部隊的中心,可以有一個很清楚的 |
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接下來我們請登記第二位李玉琳委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席,請卓院長。麻煩再請卓院長備詢。議員好。院長好。院長,你是行政院的大家長,也是家裡的家長。所以我想請教你,你為人父母,那你的兒女在小時候的時候,你是不是一定有跟他講一些小故事?會啊。是。所以我請教院長, |
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你知道大雨治水嗎?知道。所以本席想問院長你知道是大雨治水那為什麼現在大雨治水會被討論呢?最重要就是媒體報導出來有一個家長跟孩子來分享這個大雨治水的故事但是他這個高中的孩子卻不知道大雨治水 |
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結果被研上了,那因為大家都認為說大禹治水是個神話,那這個神話你與其去了解大禹治水,你不如去了解這個八田禹一喔,那說到這邊我就要請教院長,你認為八田禹一跟大禹治水哪一個重要? |
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所以你的意思哪個重要? |
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就歷史來看它就是事實存在的事實存在的歷史都是正確而重要都應該去了解因為我們的國家叫中華民國不管是過去的歷史或是承接的歷史只要是我們國家在我們就必須要去傳承去了解而不是只限於一個區域而已所以講到這邊就表示著八天雨一跟大雨治水是一樣的重要這個院長同意了 |
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所以講到這邊接下來我就要跟院長來討論的就是我們108課綱 |
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這個108課綱在上路以來到現在在我們外界這個爭議非常的大因為學生不了解老師又疲於奔命疲於在這備課當中在準備很多的素材我們要孩子在他們適性洋財要去多元選擇課程但是他們課業非常的重在這麼重的課業裡面要去尋求這些課綱去選擇 |
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所以他們在黑暗中去尋索的時候,他們只得用賭的方式,如果中了中去,賭了對了,他們就找到他們的興趣了。所以才會在外界來講一直說108課綱都要好好的來再討論,是不是?部長您上來了,您認為108課綱要討論嗎? |
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跟委員報告事實上從我們這個教育基本法裡邊我們所期待的培養未來的人才的一個圖像事實上那些基本能力這個素養事實上是沒有改變的 |
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沒有改變,但是我們需要的是專業的人士,專業的老師。但是我們專業人力不足的情況之下,我們很多老師就要去監課。監課下他疲於奔命,工作壓力變得更大,老師累,孩子也累啊。是,這個我想...是就要改變了,該改就要去改吧。 |
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我同意委員就是說我們在教育現場確實怎麼樣去讓老師他學的一個本科專業能夠從專業裡面去指導所以你同意說必須要專業的老師嗎不能說他是兼課他去備課準備一大堆的資料這樣子他工作量增加了壓力也變大了 |
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部長,我現在提醒你的就是因為你的多元學習 |
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讓孩子選擇很多的項目他沒有辦法在很多項目中找到自己的興趣那尤其是他們我們對於考試才會求取到需要的知識嘛所以用考試來準備他們要的知識在這種情形之下的話他變成會被狹隘在一個範圍裡面就是因為要準備考試所以接下來本期要跟你談的就是我們學習歷程的檔案 |
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他們要準備這個學習歷程檔案但是他本身的課程就已經很多了那孩子們在這麼多課業反省當中他們沒辦法也不了解沒辦法準備所以就變成了這個是金錢的遊戲為什麼這樣說因為他要找補習班來教找補習班來教的話又發生了一個問題因為我們針對於弱勢會變成非常的不公平 |
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因為是金錢遊戲嘛﹖他沒有金錢去準備補習班來教﹖他沒有金錢去找更多的課外活動﹖讓他的那個學習那個歷程檔案裡面更加的豐富﹖結果這個歷程檔案做出來了﹖是他的興趣嗎﹖是他要的嗎﹖我們打了很大的問號﹖所以外界所以民眾還一直說必須要檢討改進﹖ |
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因為他缺乏引導阿! |
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部長沒有聽到問題的癥結、問題的重要,因為你說從高中三年還不夠。 |
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﹗ |
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所以部長我才說 |
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我必須要有充足的時間他沒有充足的時間就找補習班去教結果這東西就客製化出來了客製化出來的話不是孩子們真正自己的東西所以未來入學的時候給我們科系去看的時候不是正確的這樣對孩子不一定是好的所以我們必須統整去檢討快改的就改不要讓老師批翻面孩子也非常辛苦孩子非常痛苦欸 |
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感謝委員的關心但是我要利用這個機會跟委員報告以臺大為例我們看到那一些透過推生透過這個學歷程檔案有更多的弱勢或者一般的學生他進入到臺大那這一個也是同時委員在關心的我們希望減少這個地線上這些學生或者家長他們不知道大學的教授他們在看什麼 |
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所以我想我們在未來在這個溝通我們會部長你的堅持但是我們一定要為學校為老師為學生都好我希望你就去通盤檢討該改的地方我們去改改一個適當的方式讓孩子真的適性洋財能夠學以致用不要讓他們拼一半命那麼辛苦好不好好我們要努力我們又必須要通盤檢討要去改那接下來本席想請教 |
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院長,院長,你要講學法嗎?學法你要講各個通行語。你同意嗎?抱歉,這個還要學習。還要學習。本身是客家妹啦,所以我們非常重視客家語言。因為現在我們的客語啊,瀕臨這個已經滅絕了。那我們客家人在全台灣來統計上大概有450萬人。但在我們所有的 |
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總人口數是第二大類的客家人,僅次於福老人。我們看到客語要頻頻滅絕了。院長,你雖然不會講客家話,但是你是政策的指導者,要怎麼做,要怎麼救呢? |
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謝謝委員的提醒,客語也是臺灣的國家語言之一。我們在6月27號行政院院會當中已經就國家語言研究發展中心的設置條例我記得那天在討論的時候現場 |
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是非常的重要啦。 |
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院長109年的時候我們人口跟我們住宅的普查報告我們大概有客家族群有466萬人但是使用客語的只有129萬人不到三分之一不到三分之一那在全國來的總人口數也不到三分之一所以 |
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所以在110年全國客家人口進行我們語言的基礎資料的研究報告出來不管是聽的能力說的能力都是下降的尤其是在未到60歲的這個比較年長的家庭裡面他使用客語的不到一成 |
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所以我們會從各方面來加強,包括剛剛說的國家語言研究發展中心,在這個設立之後, |
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議員﹚ |
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剛剛院長特別提到說你的那個設置條例本來我們客語的客家基本法的修正本席都有提案那時候就講說我們客語要有這個發展的研究中心那時候當下我們的法通過之後我們就要設立的後來說因為國家語言的發展中心在等這個法通過後來這個法通過了要等這個設置條例這個設置條例那時候在 |
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一百零七年的時候到現在七年的時間就為了等國家語言發展中心的設置條例我們等了七年現在終於在上個月送進來了送進來了我們很高興說我們可以國家語言發展中心跟客語的發展中心可以併在一起來做但是文化部文化部的次長 |
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文化部的次長李敬惠他在記者會裡面特別提到說這個國家語言研究發展中心會處理跨語言別跨領域的研究單一語言但是客家化原住民要回原單位院長部長 |
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國家語言基本法為了客語發展中心等了7年等到今天的結果又說回到原單位回到客委會去我們白等白耗了白耗了這7年的時間讓我們客語沒辦法去發展嗎既然叫做國家語言研究發展中心那國家語言各個語言都算嘛國家語言的定義就非常清楚所以客語要放進去啊當時告訴我們說客語就可以併進來所以我們等了7年 |
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現在設置條例通過了,就是說又回到原單位,又繞回去原單位,讓我們客語的發展白白耗費了這7年的時間。所以在這邊,拜託,院長,雖然你不會講客家話,我相信你會支持客家的語言的發展,不要讓它滅絕。 |
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現在這個設置條例已經通過了趕快把我們刻意的研究發展不要讓這語言來做的凋零的情形發生好不好我們會讓這個研究發展中心將來很健全的發展同時不只在這裡我希望各個學校的教育適合的地區地點都應該把刻意融入成一個教材讓我們刻意繼續傳送下去 |
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接下來本席要跟院長請教的就是說我們龍科三期的進度因為這個在前年的時候在前行政院長蘇貞昌啟動了龍科三期因為龍科三期前面有一期跟二期這個都非常的成功所以我們相信三期的推動是不會有問題的 |
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但是當時因為這個土地徵收的範圍沒有確定性也跟地方疏於溝通所以造成了一個很大的反彈那後來呢桃園市政府跟我們柯管局跟本席跟地方慢慢的溝通終於獲得到共識了雖然是徵收土地的範圍面積減少了但是 |
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大家都樂觀其成所以大概是本席聽到聽到說我們行政院要來做溝通跟協調請問協調了沒有報告委員我們新竹科學人氣管理局跟桃園市政府現在正在我是聽說行政院要出面協調嘛那協調了嗎現在有進度嗎大概什麼時候現在桃園市政府在在劃定重新劃定範圍因為看這樣我已經出來了 |
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德隆國小 |
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所以他們正在請教 |
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所以我有建議兩塊地方啦,都是土地都沒有問題的,希望說能夠獲得我們客管局的這個支持。好,謝謝,謝謝李玉琳委員的質詢,謝謝卓院長,各位官員的備詢。 |
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接下來登記第三號張宏祿委員改書面提出,請行政院書面答覆,並列入記錄刊登公報。第四位郭育秦委員改書面質詢,請行政院書面答覆,並列入記錄刊登公報。再接下來登記第五位請陳培宇委員質詢。 |
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謝謝主席,有請行政院長還有教育部長,謝謝。麻煩再請卓院長備詢,教育部備詢。 |
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陳委員好 院長午安剛剛呂玉玲委員提到108課綱我自己兩個小孩就是108課綱的受益者我要強調108課綱強調一個非常重要精神讓學生有自主探索自主學習的精神而這件事情在我小的時候求學歷程是完全沒有的 |
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所以我們家的大兒子是一個好愛念書好愛追求分數的小孩臺灣的體制給他這樣的空間而我們家的二兒子非常討厭學校的考卷他喜歡閱讀喜歡唱歌喜歡音樂而臺灣的學校在108課綱從9年一貫教改之後也給了我的第二個兒子自由探索的空間 |
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確實如同剛剛部長您說的很多老師家長孩子們在現場確實需要您更多的說明跟協助讓他們可以真的走在這個108課綱上我想雖然這不在我本來的題目可是我身為108課綱的受益者我真的要為108課綱多說句話是不是就拜託部長之後有機會您在暑假跟全臺灣的教育局長開會的時候把相關更多的政策或是還有什麼樣說明的機會提供給縣市政府好嗎 |
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謝謝委員提醒我們確實是往那個方向暑假我們會前面來跟家長跟地方的教育主管來溝通這個意見希望能夠讓更多的家長老師跟同學他們能夠了解他的一個用意是良善的 |
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我最後補充一句話在相關的青少年自己做的民調當中孩子們告訴我們他們不想要回去我們小時候的聯考我想這件事情也要拜託院長跟部長我們要繼續堅持讓孩子有自由探索自由學習的空間謝謝部長您先請回謝謝好那要麻煩院長我們要先來討論關於兒少全法不過因為今天衛福部長沒有來不過我們跟行政院招會過了我想我就跟院長直接討論兒少全法的部分可以嗎 |
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台灣今年是兒童權利公約施行法國內化10周年的紀念10年前現在的蕭美琴副總統當時也是曾經倡議的議員台灣確實把兒童權利公約施行法國內化之後確實很多各個部會或是各個行政機關對於兒童權利的認識確實增進了很多可是確實在社會複雜樣態多元的情況下 |
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新的修法內容 |
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重點應該不外乎在這個舒服照顧還有身體跟精神上的一些暴力甚至性剝削性侵害等等這個權利的維護那這個因為經過多年的延伤現在 |
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是準備啟動所謂第二階段的研商機制,所以衛福部應該是在這個前提底下去跟各界做更多的研議,希望能夠真的弄做一個比較健全的,剛剛說的那個內容、重點都能夠普遍照顧到的。 |
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謝謝院長的回應我剛剛特別有強調我把一大串人的名字都唸出來我想再一次跟院長報告專家學者、民間團體、第一線的工作者包含老師、包含社工師、包含心理師包含兒少代表、包含老師、包含家長還有很多的青少年他們願意為自己發聲所以也要拜託行政院透過行政院跟衛福部對話的機制讓衛福部必須知道相關兒少權法在修法的時候必須要把大家的意見納入考量甚至開公聽會跟座談會好嗎? |
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好的,謝謝。謝謝報告。兒童的心理智商我們也準備要往下向下扎跟著方向去做。好,謝謝院長。那接下來呢就有請教育部長,謝謝。 |
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關於在談到兒少權法其實臺灣缺一些工具的可能性那我今天想要快速談一下的是兒少工作證跟兒少教練證這件事情目前在臺灣的現行體制上容我跟院長還有部長報告我們的孩子在學校系統或者是補習班系統如果遇到了犯罪的大人他們的名字是有機會被查得到的在現行的法規之下可是如果孩子們去的是暑假的營隊或者是社區運動俱樂部 |
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在這些不在我剛說系統裡面每天陪伴著我們的孩子在做音樂運動或者是一般體育運動也好的這些大人他們過往有沒有不當對待孩子的記錄現在家長是查不到的這個部分要先讓部長跟院長知道好 |
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那可是如果我們有機會來推兒少工作證跟兒少教練證我們也許有機會改善這個困境喔我想要說一下目前呢在兒少法裁罰通報裡面第49條有相關的裁罰平台如果有一個大人例如說他叫陳培宇他犯了兒少法49條我的名字就會被公告在上面那我到底對小孩做了哪些事情呢家長是查得到的可是不在這個系統裡面其實家長是查不到就如同前一陣子 |
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新竹市是新竹縣就有家長發現在一個下令營營隊當中曾經有一個對孩子不當的大人他竟然還用別的名義在開課他開了一個新的補習班或是他的家人開了一個新的補習班但是那個人還是持續招生那這個事情其實對家長來說是很大的恐懼跟恐慌 |
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政府對孩子把關機是在哪裏那於是家長只好自食其力大家努力分享社群的訊息可是這樣的恐懼我們其實在法規上是有機會可以幫忙家長解決的我們來看澳洲兒少工作證因為之前就已經跟部長私下先討論過我更明確的說澳洲透過立法去規規範兒少工作證他們是透過警政司法教育 |
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在我投影片的左手邊,下一張。投影片的左手邊有提到 |
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哪些人需要呢?例如說你跟孩子們一起工作,包含音樂老師、課外教練、輔導員、舞蹈老師,或是你加入一個正式的輔導計畫,或是你是兒童安全組織的負責人等等等的資料之後可以再提供給教育部。可是右邊他就告訴我們哪一些人你不需要呢?例如說你的工作是偶爾才幫忙小孩作為你角色的附帶部分,可是你跟小孩工作時間非常短,甚至你只是一個客座演講者到學校。 |
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就好像我以前的工作也是經常到學校去跟孩子們演講所以我也許在澳洲的制度底下我是不需要的可是如果我自己開設一個作文班讀書會長期跟孩子接觸那在澳洲的法規裡面我就是需要的那講到這邊我想要問甚至在這個法規裡面他們還讓家長可以透過一個系統可以查詢到陳培瑜有沒有曾經不當對待兒童的記錄 |
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所以透過法規跟系統的完整讓家長可以放心知道我可以把孩子送到哪裡去而對於專業的從業人員其實我們也被尊重了因為我們對於兒童的用心跟正確的對待方法也被家長看見所以我們在招生上其實是相對容易的那我覺得在這個兒童意識高漲的年代像這樣的系統或是這樣的法規這樣的證照有沒有在台灣有沒有機會開始推董部長 |
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跟委員報告,確實委員所提的這是一個非常重要的一個觀念跟價值。我們目前在教育部是對各教育場域不適任的老師是有通報跟查詢的系統。也就是說有涉及到性侵害或者體罰或者霸凌學生這些經調查屬實解聘全部都會放在那個網站。所以我們所有的家長或者一般人要查詢事實上都可以查詢到的。 |
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部長沒有,教育系統那個網站,部長我跟您確認一下,教育系統那個網站一般家長是不能查的,除非在我前一次的跟衛福部的開會裡面,我要求衛福部要回過頭來跟教育部要那個資料,教育部底下所屬還有地方政府所屬的學校,必須要把資料灌回給衛福部的那個兒少法裁罰系統第49條,家長才可以查得到,這個跟部長您報告一下。好,繼續,謝謝。 |
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所以如果是這樣部長你也覺得可行相關的證照系統或者是課程內容或是如何有完備的法規資源我們可不可以一起來研究跟討論 |
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謝謝跟委員報告我目前確實在這個法令上還沒有是還沒有形成一個政策但是我們會從這一個今年暑假事實上我們提出就開始對小孩子有喜多的這些的比如說戶外的這個體育休閒的這些活動溜滑冰啊溜冰啊或者各方面的一些運動的一些項目包括學校的喜多的這些暑期的一些運動團隊我們開始 |
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會屬下至少我們會規劃有2到3個這個研習營就是希望這些擔任短期這個運動或者各項的才藝的一個指導老師能夠對兒童的權益各方面能夠有一個初步的了解那當然未來我們希望朝一個制度上來就呼應這個委員 |
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謝謝部長您的回應您剛剛講到體育署那我就跟您分享在2021年當年有一個臺中的柔道小孩被教練摔死了不知道部長您記不記得這個事情到現在我都不願意再提起這麼悲傷的事情因為在當時監察院的糾正底下體育署做出了回應增加一個一小時的課程那您剛剛說的我們辦公室尤其要求體育署非常多的單向協會或者是不再單向協會這些社區運動俱樂部這些每天跟孩子們在一起的大人 |
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國體法10之一 |
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我們增修了這個條文可不可以在相關條文裡面呢把相關的課程內容施資人才資料庫或者是相關的懲罰機制相關的配套措施都在國體法裡面把它修訂完成不知道部長您覺得我們有沒有機會來進一步討論這個法條的修正謝謝委員的提醒事實上我們也在朝那個方向在努力好那我們一起努力好謝謝部長謝謝好那 |
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嗯接下來就部長先請回好了謝謝那院長接下來想要跟您討論一件事情我不是很確定可不可行但是我自己心裡面是有這樣的願望也是符合非常多家長的想像我們知道行政院轄下有一個兒少權益推動小組而且是三個月 |
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三個月召開一次一年至少召開四次那每一次提出的很多問題呢其實必須要有很多跨部會的討論機制去促成很多兒少權益小組裡面提出來的討論但是我們在過往的很多開會會議記錄當中發現很多事情一旦涉及跨部會他就很容易權責劃分不明或者是相關的工作業務分不清楚有沒有機會來提高這個兒少權益推動小組召集人的位階 |
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院長您覺得呢? |
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謝謝委員陳委員一直都是一個大家敬重的親子教育專家所以你對這些不當的這個對待等等的行為啊絕對是無法忍受這個我們是同樣立場那至於行政院裡面這個兒童兒少權益的小組他原來就是政務委員來擔任我們現在我們邀請的政務委員都各有專長我想我可以跟教育的跟 |
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委員會委員會 |
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好,謝謝院長。其實如果問我私心,最希望有兒少不淡,我不會亂許願這樣。我們先來把相關部會的權責劃分清楚,然後可以做的事情做得更多更好。那最後一個要跟院長您討論的是這個。 |
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這是賴清德總統的政見關於體育署升格成體育運動發展部我們辦公室一直很關心體育現場的很多狀況不管是透過運動教練、透過選手、透過學生、透過家長之前體育署辦了兩場相關的升格座談會我們辦公室的助理也有前去參加 |
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在相關的報告裡面我們看到好像是把現在體育署的組織整個往上拉而已但是我們自己在想應該不是組織往上拉就沒事了而是整個體育部的政策裡面如何把對於兒少體育的政策放進政策思考當中我舉一個例子臺灣過往的孩子們如果想要休息體育或者是變成體育專家可能我們會把孩子送進體育班但是因為體育班的升學系統一直到現在都還是有很多的問題我們日後再討論 |
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所以現在很多家長寧可把孩子送到所謂社區運動俱樂部但是自建俱樂部的想法其實可能不在過往體育署的分組脈絡當中我只是舉其中一個例子在這個時代的氛圍底下體育署的升格有沒有辦法呼應新時代的需求或者是新的時代下大家對於兒少體育政策的需求對於長者體育運動的需求或者是整個社會對於運動體育發展的需求這邊是要請部長還是院長回答 |
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我可以講一下體育部的身格他只是運動普及跟全民運動的第一支箭而已重點在他升級之後他規劃出來的整個政策目標以及他能夠發展出來的各種的功能那現在體育署在部裡面現在體育署的工作如何 |
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轉嫁到這個未來的體育布局這個是現在在做一些這個界面上的轉嫁也希望這個組織法能夠經過大院的協助能夠通過我們樂見其成那因為我時間有限我就快速說一下就是我剛剛說的升格裡面不管是經費或者是位階源的增加如何符合社會的期待我相信是大家的期待應該也是賴總統當時政見的期待也是院長你剛剛說法還有把更多兒少體育政策一起一起納入作為政策思考的主體好嗎 |
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好的好我最後有時間有限我再問一個我們之前跟農業部討論為了協助去化臺灣2025年紐西蘭關稅貿易協定之後進來牛乳進來之後免關稅臺灣的牛乳怎麼辦我們談到了血統乳但是目前我們一直沒有看到相關進度不知道院長您這邊知道相關進度嗎我們預計9月開始就會每週有兩天提供他保久乳或是鮮乳這個是院長您確定 |
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接下來登記第6號吳麗華委員第7號林怡瑾委員第8號許志傑委員第9號賴慧元委員 |
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均以質詢均以書面提出,請行政院書面答覆並列入記錄刊登公報。在接下來我們請登記第10號鄭振前委員質詢。謝主席,我想請一下主院長。麻煩再請主院長備詢。 |
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院長好,早上在經濟組那個質詢的時候你有特別提到說新竹市其實確實是很適合發展AI生態園區的一個首選之地。那我在想說當新竹要發展AI生態園區 |
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甚至於說我跟竹科管理局王局長也曾經聊過他也覺得說其實新竹這邊其實也很適合成立半導體生態鏈園區那這個部分其實就是說當科學園區在為台積電找土地的時候那其實都沒有想到協力廠商也有土地商的需求所以導致整個大新竹地區的時候有很多農地都變成了違建工廠這樣的一個情況 |
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所以說我們事實上希望說賴政府在推動桃竹苗大細股計畫的時候我們確實很希望能夠一併解決剛剛提到的這些問題所以我在這邊也特別提到那個在新竹市這邊有一個竹科S2期的一個都市計畫那早上的時候院長有特別提到說這個部分 |
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是國科會這邊正在整合的部分。我想請教一下院長目前這個部分進度如何?那新竹市政府主張的這個竹科X二期的部分,都市計畫的部分有沒有可能納入桃竹苗大細股計畫當中? |
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報告委員我們現在正在跟新竹市政府在合作那目前我們的X基地第一棟的這個建築已經將近完工那看起來是招商的狀況非常的好所以市政府也有信心說如果我們要支持市政府來進行X計畫第二期的話我們提出來這是在行政院已經通過這是一個重大 |
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謝謝主委那我想接下來我再問一下院長 |
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就是你知道說竹竹苗地區高中的一個擴增班的計畫你知道這個項目嗎請委員指教鄭部長可以支援一下齁 |
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在今年1月8號的時候就選前一個禮拜的時候當時的行政院副院長鄭文燦特別到了竹科實驗高中去針對了一個大新竹地區高級中等學校擴增班級數政策的一個部分去做了一個說明當時包括了陽文科縣長、高鴻安市長、中東景縣長還有竹北市長、鄭朝芳市長都到了現場 |
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表示這個事情確實大家都非常的關注然後竹竹苗的五位立委全數到齊在選前一個禮拜的時候大家都集中到了竹科、時中這邊來針對這個部分那我想問一下目前行政院對於這個部分的計畫執行到什麼程度因為1月15號之後選後其實各地方政府都趕快把資料送上去 |
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送上去送到教育部這邊的時候呢那他也提到行政院這裡來那行政院這邊隔了這麼多個月之後不知道目前對於這項政策是不是要如時如期的去落實它 |
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跟委員報告謝謝委員關心我們竹科確實這個學生人口數的一個增加那麼我們今年在113學年度9月也就是9月我們已經對這個國立的學校先增加了五班合定增加五班也就是說國立科學時鐘增加兩班 |
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然後新竹高中一班、竹南高中一班這個部分因為113年度國立高中要增班的部分是第一步除了這個部分的時候各地方政府都提出了很多的需求新竹市這邊提到在到113年學年度到116年度至少要增加49班那對於這樣的一個部分的時候我們教育部這邊怎麼回因為到目前為止行政院的態度還沒有很清楚出來 |
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我們希望這個部分光靠教育部也許沒有辦法解決當地的一個需求所以我們希望行政院長這邊的時候能夠大力支持這個在今年1月8號就是當時的行政院副院長所開出來的支票在選前開這樣的支票就顯然就知道說地方有多麼的一個需求 |
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除了教育部在目前業務上之外國科會也在評估就實驗中學跟完全中學來提出一個增建校舍的新的計畫那這個部分我想我們就按照它的人口成長跟地區我們是不是有一個考量用一個專案的經費來挹注那這個部分請國科會提出詳細的說明配合教育部的政策所以到時候可以有一個專案的一個預算補助對不對希望朝這個方向去做 |
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那我在想這就是我們現在地方上非常需要的一個部分。那麼也希望院長在這個部分能夠大力去支持。因為針對竹竹苗地區高中闊校增班的相關的問題是非常的嚴峻。我們看到那個整個人口那個分布圖的時候就是所有的 |
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國客會提出評估那麼跟教育部的政策來契合 |
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謝謝院長那接下來的時候我想問一下就是之前的時候就是也有委員提到就是有關於就是短期營隊的負責人因為之前確實在新竹地方發生了一個這樣的事情一個短期營隊的負責人性侵而且被判刑了4月份被判刑確定被判刑他也許會再上訴可是呢這個事情造成的地方很大的一個恐慌恐慌的點在哪裡因為他繼續招生 |
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我想問一下院長對於這樣的短期營隊的時候我們是不是可以立法來進行管理我們現在對於這種不當行為啦不當的處處面對的行為我們都要列管註記這些不當行為人讓他們沒有辦法再繼續從事類似的工作而來對其他的人員或小孩造成這個侵害我們會加重列管註記的方式 |
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所以列管登記之外的時候,本席在這邊是不是可以主張我們對短期營隊的部分是不是可以採取報備制,讓家長安心,否則他們不曉得他們參加的營隊到底會是什麼樣子的一個營隊? |
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現在的方式是不是夠嚴謹?我想跟委員報告,確實委員所提的這個是我們在學校裡邊有很多他要在短期的寒暑假的這些營隊他事實上都要經過地方縣市教育局裡邊報備核准的 |
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但是屬於民間自己這個招攬的這一個部分。理解,所以這就是短期嘛。所以我在想說對於家長來講他們其實參加的營隊的時候不一定是能夠都是目前的法規可以管得到的補習班。這些短期營隊的時候我們是不是可以修法對於這些兒少有更多的一個保障。 |
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接下來我想請教一下我們國科會的吳主委。 |
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之前你在清華大學擔任副校長的時候,曾經接待過一個海峽研究院的機制。當時你在回應委員職訓的時候,你有提到說你很委屈,你可以稍微簡單做個說明? |
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所以你去接待之後你就被打成了一個中共在台的代理人這樣子的扣一個這樣的紅帽子 |
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說實話我也覺得你很委屈所以我也幫你說話在上一屆當中的時候呢因為清大被扣紅帽的這個事情就是你被扣紅帽的這個事情我跟蘇貞昌院長當時行政院長有一個非常不愉快的一個對話因為當我在質詢這樣的事情的時候他不斷的說我很吵 |
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說我是一個怎麼樣子一堆亂七八糟的那個說法都出來然後吵得很兇其實為了你這邊你是現在我們的一個閣員那我想特別強調一個點就是說 |
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這個部分其實也看得出來我們其實在做國會改革當中的時候其實有一些合理性跟正當性的。因為我想問一下就是院長對於在被詢的時候然後不斷的在質疑質詢的人說你很吵然後講一些亂七八糟的話你覺得這樣子適當嗎? |
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報告委員我說過我再強調一下我說質詢就像一片鏡子一樣你所看到的我就是我看到的你所以我們很理性冷靜的來討論事情今天委員就能知道當時的吳主委是有機會讓他說明之後就知道當時的吳主委是沒有任何的值得讓我們去懷疑的你講的方式其實我要跟你講一下當我們在質詢前院長蘇貞昌的時候他跟你的反應是完全不一樣的 |
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他就開始撇撇腳然後就開始講一些亂七八糟的事情很多委員都有類似的經驗那我覺得因為你也很理性我們在做這樣的對話所以我只是要特別強調就是當時我為了現在的國科會主委曾經跟前院長發生一個相當嚴重的一個爭執就是因為我也覺得你們被抹紅所以我們希望在整個所有的國會改革過程當中的時候能夠更順暢 |
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那我接下來想再問一下國科會主委吳主委你特別提到了一個主權AI這件事情那最近其實大家都非常的關心因為半導體是台灣的護國神山所以是也對台灣的經濟有很大的一個貢獻那麼現在再加上AI |
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台灣在AI的硬體設備當中的時候呢在第一波就踩上了全球AI的高速列車對不對那您特別提到說台灣需要建立主權AI你可以把這個部分做一個簡單的一個說明跟描述 |
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我講主權AI的觀念主要是因為如果我們要使用AI當作工具來解決我們國內各行各業甚至包含到政府機構的這些應用的話我們需要第一要訓練自己的資料來訓練這些AI的模型來解決問題我們不希望使用到錯誤的訓練資料 |
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那第二呢我們使用的時候我們的資料非常寶貴國內的資料希望能夠建置在臺灣的資料中心那我們現在要怎麼做政府要扮演什麼樣子的一個角色我們政府會來協助帶領我們的國內的產業一起來開發AI的這個資料中心超級電腦甚至我們AI的這個應用服務的系統 |
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你講這個部分我理解不過我覺得我看到英國最近那個Totals Media它所做的一個那個全球的一個AI |
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臨時評鑑臨時評鑑臨時評鑑臨時評鑑臨時評鑑臨時評鑑臨時評鑑臨時評鑑 |
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所以政府的角色在整個AI的發展過程當中目前看起來似乎是走在企業之後而不是在帶領企業往前走所以針對這個部分的時候除了這邊要不要多做一個說明或者是院長這邊要不要做一個說明我們接下來要怎麼去做 |
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報告委員這樣講不是很正確。我們的硬體,我們AI的半導體以及雲端設備的硬體是全世界第一。但是我剛剛講的AI應用的系統的確是我們接下來必須要快速發展的。這個目前我們還有在努力。 |
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所以你講這個部分我完全了解就台灣的高科技的製造業就全球很厲害在這一波AI當中的時候我們也踩到了全球的第一波當中可是AI的發展的時候它不是製造業的概念其實我們可能更需要的其實是一個AI的一個服務業所以我這邊要講的狀態其實說我們政府是不是除了 |
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﹚完整會議 |
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我們目前的方向的確是要發展 |
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接下來登記第11號書巧會委員﹚ |
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之質詢以書面提出,請行政院書面答覆,並列入記錄,刊登公報。在接下來請登記第12號林倩儀委員,請質詢。謝謝主席,有請院長。麻煩再請卓院長備詢。 |
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委員長好。本席今天要跟您來探討幾個議題。第一個是有關於博愛座的問題。所以博愛座在這些年來,大眾的運輸系統的博愛座衝突感覺好像越演越烈。那我們知道今天早上又有一則新聞。 |
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檢視了一下其中一個原因是網路平台不斷出現一些言語的衝突,然後還有肢體的衝突等文字,然後再包括照片跟側錄影片的短片的上傳。 |
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這是6月18日在北捷發生的 |
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另外在6月19號集中的505公車 |
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還有6月29日也就是今天我們新聞看到的這個高潔那這樣不愛坐的爭議感覺好像政府聽到了因為衛福部在6月28日預告了要提出修正身心障礙者權益保障法第53條那要把不愛坐改名為優先席那交通部也表示說要配合那但是將不愛坐改成優先席那整個衝突就會改善嗎?您的看法 |
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是的委員改名也許只是一個讓社會更重視討論這個問題的開始而已它事實上是能夠完全改善這個現象應該不是那麼快的倒是利用這樣的一個改名的討論讓大家對於這個不愛做它到底真正的意義是什麼它是不愛做或者是優先做 |
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好的,謝謝院長的這張說明。至少我們提醒了大家要針對這個議題來做一些討論。那接下來是不是可以請教育部跟文化部,我們來一起討論一下這個議題。 |
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那現在似乎要將這個優先座,不愛座改名成優先座,感覺好像是日本的用詞。那我們如果回溯英文的本詞priority seats來避免爭議,但是這是不是成效就會馬上立竿見影呢? |
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本席認為問題有的時候不是在法條跟名稱的定義,看起來好像是衛福部、交通部的問題。本席認為教育部跟文化部責無旁貸。我們教育部有沒有可能在現階段這樣整個社會的情緒教育還有倫理教育、道德教育、品德教育多一點著墨。 |
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那文化部有沒有可能在這樣子概念上的宣導我們可不可以本朱善意來對社會做相關的這個宣導是不是可以在這個裡面有更多的一些可能性讓這樣一個似乎本來本於善意的這樣子一個座位 |
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能夠透過兩個大會能夠有比較更積極而且更本朱本質的一個可能性那可不可以請用簡短的30秒鐘回答謝謝委員的指正我想我非常同意委員剛才所提的老屋老以及人之老幼屋幼以及人之幼這事實上就是我們在許多學校教育裡面從生活 |
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是的,謝謝部長。 |
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謝謝委員提出這個問題因為我來之後我一直覺得文化不只是文化產業其實我覺得最重要的文化是生活那您剛剛談到的就是生活那我來之後這個短短一個月我會跟很多部會包括 |
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謝謝兩位部長 |
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接下來因為今天院長在這邊本席有一些為私立學校做的一些請命 |
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當然這個是一個針對未來的一個政策。但是我這邊有幾點,院長可以先看PPT。本席現在在私立院校教書20幾年,非常了解私立院校老師跟學生的一些需求。所以這幾年碰到私校的很多問題。私校的退場以及私校老師的權益,我想現在來處理是刻不容緩。 |
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所以本席在這邊要簡單的敘述幾件事情那這個部分本席有跟這個部長這邊做了一些溝通所以這邊也是讓這個院長這邊來了解關於部分私立學校的老師在經驗巧合的這個狀況下面臨想要轉校跳槽可是會被學校索取違約金或賠償金有的時候因為年資的長短那個金額會非常大這個部分 |
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教育部之前有談到有關於契約的這個問題那是不是可以請院長這邊來針對這個部分做更深入一點的這個瞭解那第二個部分是今年院長應該也知道公教在這個薪資的部分調了4% |
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但是今年在6月份那個全國教師公會他也提出來有一些私立學校針對這個部分好像沒有依照規定這邊來做比照跟調整是不是可以請教育部這邊也做一個清查那也請院長這邊是不是可以幫我們多了解跟注意那第三個部分這個是確實所碰到的問題那個在這個西蘭山莊有一個軍公教的優惠但是他規定這個教師一定要是公立學校 |
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那這個感覺上很不合理一個優惠的公告卻造成公私立老師的一個被大小眼的對待那這又是政府單位的所以有點感覺政府認同並帶頭示範公立學校老師才能夠被理喻私立學校老師不在此列那這個我們也進行溝通是不是請院長這邊也可以幫我們這個回應一下這一個狀況那另外最後面對這個私立學校少子化的壓力那許多老師必須要扛起業績 |
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但是現在很多私校被扶倒然後被退了又被扶了就倒那常常被定義說他該倒就要讓他倒我是覺得是不是政府應該有多一點的同理心那有一些特色體質很好的私校期望他的校友團體個人都有機會來救這個學校但是 |
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有一些好意竟然會被視為為禿鷹來開後門喔那這個部分本席也很不了解所以是不是可以有機會透過透明公開的一個公告徵求來讓一些私校真的好的私校不是因為很奇怪的這個原因要倒的私校那能夠 |
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﹗ |
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施校要退場被轉學的學生常常都會因此而就結束了學業而沒有畢業所以這個部分是不是也可以請院長瞭解一下在這個部分學生的狀況 |
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所以諸如此類其實好多細節那真的目前私校的問題是跟時間在賽跑然後很希望教育部能夠盡速第一個召開全國性的會議針對現在的高教也好整個的教育聽取大家的意見第二個那私校經常宣導的都是原鄉跟偏鄉那是不是能夠進入原鄉跟偏鄉去做相關的這個會議跟宣導 |
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首先我們在去年私立大山院校教師約聘的這個注意事項裡面就很明白的宰明了離職預告期間跟離職違約金要符合一般法律的規定而且不能 |
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﹚議員 |
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謝謝院長。所以本席以上所提的幾個問題是不是可以請這個主管機關等於一個善意跟同理的心情來考量教師學生還有這些團體的一個心境,然後更積極的一個處理跟作為,好嗎?好的 |
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好 謝謝那接下來剛這個有一點關係的是因為現在學校可能有因為少子化的這個少子女化的狀況所以我們有很多這個有關於國際生或者是國際勞工的一個相關計畫那本席在這邊有知道2030年那教育部打算收21萬的國際學生那要投入52億元那本席在這邊有一個請命是不是可以將這52億元 |
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﹚國會議員﹚ |
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本席想要為臺灣的學生請命所以是不是相關的這個資源能夠至少減半留一些在臺灣的本席剛才所提到的團體 |
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跟委員報告是我們非常清楚臺灣的教育資源當然是優先用來照顧我們自己本地的這個青少年新世代的年輕人這些學生包含原住民學生的一個部長您其實在我先前提到原住民在高科技這一塊那部裡面現在也有一些回應那我們目前在試做我相信這樣的推動大概要大家一起來努力那至於這個國際生這個部分 |
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謝謝委員提醒跟委員報告一句話 |
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謝謝院長還有部長那重點就是不要忘了台灣還有很多的學生需要我們更多的教育資源 |
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好謝謝那接下來這是老調重提了吼那我想這是一件大家都有共識的事情吼那這個本席在一開在上個會期其實也提到了吼呃關於這個運動發展部的問題那運動發展部我想這個共識是也是賴總統的一個政策吼那我們要把運動發展部給設立那體育署也希望他或許在這個本質上 |
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﹚發言委員 |
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當然這個 |
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我們過去國民體育法的改變已經就單項的結構做了初步的調整但我知道還有一些問題存在我們希望未來體育署升格之後體育部有更大的組織能力有更大的一些政策的指導能夠將這個各單項協會朝更健全的發展方向 |
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謝謝院長。所以最重要就是本株初衷,不要再讓選手受到委屈,然後讓全民運動能夠正常發展。謝謝部長。最後是不是可以請一下文化部長。 |
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謝謝不知道這個院長知不知道本席是原住民所以我對原住民的相關事務都非常的重視所以現在在原住民這個部分要成立這個原住民的表演藝術的國家級的表演藝術團隊那這所謂國家級本席這邊再跟您提醒一下因為本席也是表演藝術的專業 |
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所以在先前也有跟這個文化部這邊來做相關的這個討論所以是不是文化部希望您能夠承諾在原住民的表演藝術第一必須要達到所謂的國家級第二不要將所有原住民的事物都丟回給所謂的原住民的相關單位不知道是不是可以承諾這兩點 |
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謝謝林憲熙委員的質詢。也謝謝卓院長的備詢。謝謝。 |
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接下來我們請登記13號的葉元之委員質詢。 |
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主席好,麻煩請卓榮泰院長還有文化部部長麻煩再請卓院長備詢文化部備詢 |
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院長好部長好先跟請教一下因為先上禮拜所謂的有中共介入到臺灣的政論節目這事情吵得非常的熱昨天我看到陸委會副主委梁文傑他說找不到爆料者看起來好像這件事情要石沉大海 |
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那我覺得非常遺憾我希望說院長部長可以拿出這個查案的精神把這個事情查出來齁我先講一個網路的這個笑話給院長聽有一個唐生有一個網路笑話齁唐生剛下飛機就有記者問他對陪酒小姐的看法唐生說臺北有小姐然後結果第二天媒體的標題是說唐生一到臺北馬上問臺北有小姐嗎完全是標題殺人 |
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後來隔天唐森生氣了記者又問他陪酒小姐的事唐森說然後唐森就說我不會再理你隔天標題是說唐森一怒為紅顏那我個人認為今天這個中共所謂的中共介入台灣政治節目這個事情很有可能就跟我剛剛講的那個網路笑話很像 |
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一個不知名的消息來源做了一個爆料記者跑去跟電視台求證電視台說這個只需烏有一無所知結果隔天電視台可以寫這麼大篇的新聞出來然後結果我們的府院黨啊民進黨府院黨馬上就說啊這確有此事此事 |
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那請問一下,確有此事查得怎麼樣?因為梁文傑陸委會副主委是推給文化部跟NCC,剛好我們今天教文組文化部有來,我想問一下文化部長,請問一下這個事情查得怎麼樣?好,對我們來講,我們的職權所在,我們只能現在查得怎麼樣?已經一個禮拜了。我們的職權,我們也不可能有那個 |
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你的職權查得怎麼樣?目前我們只能發文給當初邀請他的單位。你只有發文而已喔?這麼嚴重的事情耶!中共都介入到我們媒體了,這麼嚴重的事情你只有發文而已喔?文化部不把我們台灣國安當一回事耶。文化部也不是個調查人。可是因為各個機關都要分頭去查嘛。現在只有你在我問你,只有你的態度是我只有發文。 |
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那感覺好像這個事情也沒有很嚴重嗎?沒有很嚴重?院長這樣態度可以嗎?如果是涉到國家安全或牽涉到單色媒體當然嚴重但是任何一件事情都必須要去切切的掌握到資訊了解到真相很緊急的事情馬上就處理了結果你現在部長只發文還公文履行欸文化部也好或其他單位也好第一個只能依法行政做自己業內該做的事情 |
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那除了文化部的發文之外,其他單位有沒有進一步的了解,這個我們要統合。院長,這事情這麼嚴重,國安問題,結果你的態度是說文化部就發文,其他也要了解,你院長好像也無所謂的樣子。我不禁想到幾年前有一個王立強事件。 |
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那時候2019年的時候王立強在澳洲尋求政治庇護吧自己講的跟中共版的007一樣說他運用龐大資源介入台灣選舉還幫助我們韓國瑜選高雄市長然後隔年呢又一堆錢又要影響我們總統大選然後結果 |
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那當時蔡英文總統說一定要查還派人到澳洲去了解也是一樣府院黨都把這個事情當一回事甚至於把王立強咬出來的在台灣的向心夫婦都抓起來了限制出境就查了半天向心夫婦完全無罪已經離開了王立強呢澳洲政府說你要申請庇護不可能因為你這個詐騙犯把他遣返了 |
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結果當時把王立強很當一回事的那些民進黨高官有沒有一個人出來道歉說不好意思我誤信了詐騙犯那今天這個事情對中共介入這段節目如果有非常可惡可是我現在看到的是說傳過水無痕前幾天把他罵成這樣現在文化部的態度是說我發公文了 |
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院長態度是說相關機關會去查。什麼時候會查出來結果?要依法行政去調解。這個事情很嚴重。我不希望看到這個事情跟王立強事件一樣傳過水無痕。尤其是被自由時報指涉的那家電視台。 |
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主持人已經連續好幾集在致卿了啦也把所有因為那個是假日的那個他們被指涉是假日錄影的嘛所有的人來錄影的影帶都提供給相關單位了所以要查一定可以查拜託給國人一個交代不要像王立強事件一樣操作完了 |
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我紅完了,傳過水無痕,院長可以嗎?我不予設立場,但是我希望院長給國人一個交代。文化部既然已經有發文或是相關的這個調查,應該把這個調查結果整理之後啊,跟社會公佈。我也很希望,這件事情是沒有的。到底是那個媒體隨便亂爆料,傷害到別人名譽。現在被指涉的人都一直致親,結果指控別人好像沒事一樣,跟唐森一樣啊。 |
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下飛機被問有沒有裴友小姐就變成說好像他對裴友小姐很有興趣啊我們現在是可以是這樣子嗎?被罵的人要出來致親指控別人可以隨便講話然後又牽涉到國安結果政府無所謂 |
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這不是我們政府的態度吧,院長我希望文化部跟其他單位已經在調查了,如果會診出來以後清楚的向大家報告有沒有這件事我也很希望沒有這樣的事情表示我們的媒體智力是非常完善的如果沒有為什麼民進黨立委可以去指控人家為什麼那時候陸委會說卻有歧視對不對,而且院長今天 |
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委員會副主委講說找不到消息來源明明自由時報就有報導一個資深媒體人啊不能叫自由時報把資深媒體人講出來是誰嗎他一定會說不好意思我不提供消息來源問題是牽涉國安何等重要啊你媒體也有社會責任為了國安你不能夠交出消息來源嗎所以只是要不要交的問題嘛 |
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所以院長拿出道德勇氣給國內一個交代不要讓大家都好像變成跟唐僧一樣好不好我再進一步瞭解什麼時候可以給大家答案瞭解之後馬上跟委員報告要瞭解多久 |
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會盡快了解,因為這個不是很難的事情。對嘛,不是,一個禮拜可不可以?因為這個事情社會動盪啊,我們希望國家可以和諧。如果他後面沒有講的,如果沒有很牽扯複雜的情節的話,那一個禮拜應該是足以了解的事情。一點都不複雜啊,一點都不複雜啊。對,如果沒有的話,一個禮拜可以...一個禮拜告訴大家這個事情到底是真的,假的,然後如果是假的,那陸委會說有,那為什麼亂講,然後相關的責任,查清楚,我們台灣不要變成這樣,一直在國內找敵人。 |
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總統院長是要團結臺灣,不是對立臺灣。好不好,我們都與人為善,好不好,不要這樣找敵人。因為教文組,我要跟院長討論幾個教育的議題。其實我在教育文化我就關心幾個議題,比如說108課綱。 |
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比如說校園安全還有雙語教育或是母語教育推廣等等很多教育議題我都會推廣我都非常關心還有高齡教育等等但是因為今天也沒有太多時間我就抓兩個議題跟院長討論那有的跟部長也講過但是因為有些事情我覺得需要讓院長知道所以今天特別來講我先引用諾貝爾經濟學獎得主海耶克通往奴役之路這本書裡面有一句話他說通往地獄的路都是由善意鋪陳的這是他講的 |
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那我當然知道很多教育政策大家都是出於善意我們不希望說這個善意呢讓我們的新興學子們呢通往地獄如果用白話文講就是有的時候理想很豐滿現實很骨感特別我覺得這句話很適用在108課綱上面 |
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這是108課綱所期待的學生樣態,要自主行動、社會參與、溝通、互動。然後後面又列了非常多像他的分項的素養。那院長您認同108課綱所期待的學生樣態嗎?應該是認同吧? |
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就像委員說的他希望是大家在自己的學習歷程清楚而且能夠展現自己的特色而且能夠被激發出潛力原意當然是這樣子理想理想但是理想要把它落實但是這幾年108課綱自從實施以來每一年專家學者老師學生都提出各項各樣的檢討我沒有看到教育部有根據實施的落差理想與現實落差有做任何調整所以今天特別來跟院長講 |
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如果說大家認同說這需要調整的話應該要拿出行動力出來而不是說每一年都在檢討一樣的事情像我今天待會要講的東西去年也有人講過前年也有人講過但是從來沒有人去做調整那118課綱現在就要訂定了嘛所以在訂定118課綱的時候有沒有可能把108課綱大家覺得比較有缺失部分做一些整理我先來簡述一下108課綱問題 |
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很多老師,很多老師跟我講說,他說因為現在義媽課剛剛就是把必修課減少變成要選修課嘛,大概減少四分之一的必修課。所以老師必須要去準備選修課。第一個壓力變大,但是工作時數沒有減少。第二,很多學生 |
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在參加選修課的時候他要繳的報告不是他不是考試他繳一個類似碩士的那種田野調查的報告就叫研究問題研究方法然後最後要有結論的那個必須要大學碩士可能才有基本類似素養所做出來的東西所以學生壓力也變得非常大那老師也要花非常多時間去改那些報告所以 |
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時間都會影響到他的教學品質這個是第一件事情第二件事情學校說忽然間印巴克剛增加了非常多東西例如說什麼學習歷程檔案但是學校並沒有得到相對應行政的support所以有很多學校對於學習歷程檔案的支持是比較少的 |
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再來就是我看學生的意見因為學生還是實際上接受這個課綱的人我跟院長推薦一個單位叫做EDIS這個單位它是有幾位是大學生有台大的政治系的還有一些高中生他們每一年都會針對108課綱做出檢討而且他們的檢討是有憑有據他們是發問卷問卷對象是一千多份他們在做這個課綱的研討會的時候還會邀請教育部的官員來 |
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但每一次叫一部官員來聽完他們的建議之後修改的是少之又少我就舉一個例子因為今天時間不多我就舉一項學習歷程檔案 |
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這是他們做的調查學習基準檔案超過50%的學生他覺得需要有校園的系統來支持為什麼?因為學習基準檔案其實還是需要一些專業那學習基準檔案有哪些問題我們可以來看一下比如說第一個學習基準檔案雖然大家做得非常辛苦可是很多大學在招生的時候 |
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這第一件事情。第二件事情 |
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學習歷程檔案強調是說要學生去做自我的探索,對吧?自我的探索,但是你覺得他們有這樣探索到嗎?有的是叫先設建再劃法啦,從小家長叫他學醫,所以他在學習歷程檔案的時候全部都往醫學院的方向去寫這個學習歷程檔案。 |
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有的是探索到高二高三之後忽然發現說他的志趣跟他過去探索都不一樣可是完了他過去的學習立定檔案做的都是另外一個方向產生極大的焦慮 |
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27130.765 |
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27156.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
所以這個學習電子檔案,然後再來更不要講學習電子檔案很多人都外包啦網路上一查很多都是在外面很多補習班在幫人家做學習電子檔案所以這個問題很嚴重然後學生我們剛剛看了他們在做歷程檔案學習電子檔案的時候常常有問題要問老師同學或者是專家不知道問誰啊也產生很大的焦慮這都是學生的意見我剛剛把我所知道的有老師的反應 |
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27157.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
27181.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
學生的反應還有更不要講因為必修課已經減少四分之一所以現在要讀那個專業科目的時候很多東西都很粗糙很粗略沒有辦法讀到細節例如說讀歷史現在歷史很多都是很簡單沒有故事性沒有脈絡學生就必須去記那個年份跟發生的事情失去了對整個歷史的興趣歷史就是要見古知今嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
27181.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
27198.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
他有一個脈絡嘛有環境的影響或細節的影響人事物的影響有的時候就沒有辦法讀得那麼有趣所以他這個108課上是有很多問題的我知道現在也沒有很多時間讓院長部長回答我現在只是希望一件事情就是能不能夠召開一個真的認真召開一個 |
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27199.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
27228.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
委員會或者什麼會議你把所有很多人的意見把他納進來然後真的來做一個檢討然後這些檢討報告當然可以逐步的去修改或者是118課綱的時候可以來一個比較針對118課綱所衍生的問題做一個調整不知道院長跟部長能不能做到謝謝委員 這個建議是必定會做的從檢討過去到策略未來現在都沒在做院長 |
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27229.636 |
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27248.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
因為你知道我們四個升學的管道不然是繁星計畫、申請入學、申請分發或是分科分發或者是這個特殊選材都有相當的人數經過這樣的管道下去他除了學測之外有高中在校的成績有學習過程還有一些特殊的選材過程還有一些就是加上學測 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
27249.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
27253.419 |
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月亮月亮我覺得你回答好像沒有聽懂我講你講的只是分發就是考照部分我講的是學習的部分 |
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27269.739 |
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27286.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
我講的是108課剛學習的公文報告我現在就是說特別來總諮詢那麼重要時間來講我是希望說因為每一年大家都在講一樣的事情可是我們不曾看到有調整希望說大家很認真的針對這些事情做一個調整去回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
27287.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
27289.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
社會或學界的需求 |
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27330.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
27346.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
謝謝葉元智委員的質詢。謝謝卓院長的備詢。報告委員會,我們教育及文化組織質詢已詢答完畢。謝謝卓院長及相關部會所長列席答詢。現做以下決定。下一次會議進行交通組織質詢。我們現在散會。謝謝。 |