| IVOD_ID |
16047 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16047 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2024062441 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-27T12:35:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-27T13:17:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:41:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db53741711f1205b9596e4971935c74a2e627684c85f64cd7bc3db86aa69089b015ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-27T13:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院朝野黨團協商（事由：本院國民黨黨團，有鑑於公糧收購價格自2011年起，迄今已長達13年未調漲，反觀13年間，基本工資從1萬7,880元漲到2萬7,470元，工資漲幅53.64%；秧苗由每盤28元上漲到40元，上漲43%；物價指數上漲超過15%；其他如農藥、肥料上漲近25%，農民耕種成本不斷增加，惟公糧收購價格仍停留13年前水準，嚴重影響農民權益，故公糧收購價格應每公斤至少提高8元以上。爰此，建請院會作成決議：「農業部應調整公糧收購價格，由每公斤26元調整至每公斤34元，提高農民基本利潤，以因應近年物價劇烈波動導致務農成本增加，落實照顧農民之政策。」是否有當？請公決案。(修正動議併同黨團協商)） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
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好 謝謝我們協商正式開始在這邊主席來報告黨團協商我們現在協商國民黨黨團有關公糧收購案建請院會作成決議農業部應調整公糧收購價格由每公斤26元調整至每公斤34元提高農民基本利潤 |
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．因應近年物價劇烈波動．導致務農成本增加．落實照顧農民之政策．以及臺灣民眾黨所提的修正動議．要求農業部因綜合考量各項成本．將公糧收購價格至每公斤26元．調升5元以上．並加速提升整體雜糧種植面積計畫． |
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國民黨提案及修正動議於113年5月14日第一會期第13次院會決議並同交付黨團協商並由國民黨團負責召集協商今天協商一併列入討論首先我們請農業部陳部長來做報告 |
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主席、各位委員那農業部針對委員提案的部分國民黨短暫提案的部分增加的部分我們認為他這樣的一個調整是不可行的那因為整個的一個對農業的一個照顧就是對農民的一個照顧有非常多的方式如果只透過公糧的一個價格的調整 |
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打擊到整個的水稻的一個產業從過往的經驗這樣的一個提升當年度有效但是它後續的面積就會提高反而會造成稻農的收益反而不會因此而增加所以我們認為說這樣的一個提案對於整個稻作的產業影響反而會更大 |
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好 謝謝部長的這個說明我想你用打擊兩個字我們會聽取各個委員大家寶貴的意見首先來丁薛忠委員感謝主席再來感謝主席很謝謝你剛剛鍾立雄有沒有提啊還沒有丁薛忠委員發言完我們請張家俊委員再請許正義委員謝謝感謝主席 |
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當中國的修行現在正開始修行我們以前聽到很多農民的聲音農藥企業、肥料企業、材料企業、文化企業現在連修行的工資也都企業 |
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為何政府對農民的信仰的請求：要讓農民安全的過程：為何農業部來換對農民的工業價格的企業：給農民一個幾分的過程：你們就沒辦法：為何你們要這樣決定：我只想說 |
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否定,我們坐在觀光室．民間有良好的風態．了解到農民的心聲．民間有去到專科．知道說,農民為了要提供．我們全國這個東西安全．的過分．他們辛苦的付出． |
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我們只要來問國民：一塊塊說：讓他們說當這個修立：可以經過更加安定：讓他們的生活：可以過療更加好當過：我們只希望這樣而已：為什麼你們要來反對：這個國分：希望說國長：你們不可以坐在觀光室：你們去那裡：來看到日頭和農民： |
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看不到他們在土耳其農民的情況伊雄謝謝 |
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部長我想你的立場大家都非常理解就是說你不希望工糧收購價格提高民進黨在選舉的時候一直講說農民就是他們心中最軟的一塊一定會照顧農民原來這就是你要照顧農民的方式我們這10年來農業就業人口已經降低了7% |
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然後我們工糧價格收購已經13年沒有調整了今年的糧價已經是可能過去5年來最低新低每公斤不到10塊這就是你身為農業部長的一個政績 |
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你覺得這樣合理嗎你覺得這樣子有在照顧農民嗎你對你的成績滿意嗎所以我真心覺得說像剛剛丁學中委員所講的肥料也起農企給然後還有這個人工也漲價 |
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包括說秧苗也漲價：代耕費用也漲價全部都漲了只有公糧收購的價格沒有漲你覺得這合理嗎我們要照顧的是在最底層的這些辛苦他沒有辦法變化的這些農民我希望部長可以三思好好的為這些最基層的農民想一下說我們這一次公糧收購價格的提高 |
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完全非常的合理而且只有提高8塊你要想說13年來工資漲幅是53.64%然後我們秧苗漲幅是43% 物價指數上漲超過15%上漲這麼多可以說是嚴重影響了農民的權益所以希望說農委會本於落實照顧農民可以來因應這個提高 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我也請部長江委員所說的你注意聽 注意聽謝謝 那我們接下來徐宇貞委員剛剛部長提到說徐宇貞委員 謝謝剛剛部長提到的說公糧收購的價格如果調漲的話可能會引起搶中我想部長可能有很大的這個迷思因為事實上我們這幾年來包括剛剛張家俊委員講的 |
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物價各方面調漲．農藥、肥料成本上漲25%．農民耕種成不斷增加．所以從26條高到34．事實上對農民的耕種成本．是不夠的．根本不可能有搶種的問題． |
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所以我覺得若實照顧農民若實照顧弱勢的農民這應該是大家基本的共識而不是說因為擔心這個會搶這種或者擔心有什麼樣的問題而是應該真正面對農民的需求提高那13年來沒有調漲過成本也增加了這麼多那為什麼不用這樣的一個方式來真正的弱勢照顧農民請部長要三思 |
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陳昌明委員 |
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第二,如果調整價格的話,很多人會種到糧我再請教你一個問題,你們雜糧也大概十幾年都沒有漲價所以你要改變這個,你雜糧的價格把它調高一點,大家都會努力去種雜糧的種子菜 |
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工糧自然會減少你兩邊都不漲只是為了說物價的穩定怕通貨膨脹這個時代已經面臨著所有農民走到哪個地方大家都要求工糧要上漲漲多漲少大家可以協商但是你永遠記得一點你雜糧沒有 |
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在上漲的時候咱倆的一個收穫的那個效益不一定會比種到了好所以你兩方面只能提起一方面 |
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雜糧漲．工糧漲．我相信農民自行會調整．不會由你擔心的問題產生的．其實這一個原則．我相信工糧收購的價格上漲．也會帶動雜糧．尤其雜糧你把它提高．種的人就更多了．自然會平衡 謝謝好 謝謝陳昭明我們接下來 莊瑞雄書記長 |
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謝謝主席主席本來是一點所以鐵渣召開我們有經過大家同意其他委員當然就會有經過大家同意而且今天在剛開始就已經有請黨團去通知經過大家同意謝謝大家喔大家是什麼意思我們有經過黨團通知大家經過同意是啦是啦這個會議結束之後通知大家我是跟你表明一下感謝我們沒有搞錯這個關係請發言謝謝 |
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這個農業部其實應該很清楚整個工糧收購提高這個會不會造成供需的一個失調我相信從過去不管是誰執政 |
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有很嚴肅的探討這樣的一個問題以現在來看的話你目前是超產嘛那我本息是很擔心啦就是說你如果去提高以後啊那對於短期上你看到效益可是長期來看的話 |
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那變成說大家提高種植稻米的一個意願以後真的會壓縮到其他雜糧作物的種植一個意願這個跟整個政策是不是有違背的一個地方以我屏東來講的話 |
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我當然希望說農民有更高的一個收益可是我們確實是為了要確保整個農民他的長期的一個收益你說糧價波動你現在來看的話你繳交工糧現在是佔10%的一個總數那你提高收購價格增加整個種植稻米的一個誘因以後那你其他的民糧農民的價格變成會下跌 |
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我部長也特別要去考慮到這一點那至於其他可能大家比較沒有去考慮的說那你整個水資源的一個分配你整個稻米的一個種植你每一個公每一公頃來看的話你就需要1.2萬噸那大家集中種稻米 |
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那你水資源的使用一定會更多這個部分重新再以後要重新去配置那你真的也會傷腦筋那對於整個產業的平衡跟國家糧食的一個自主權你像譬如說你雜糧類你都像玉米、高粱跟大豆臺灣的自主率只有一成 |
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那你先讀後水稻的影響你產業的平衡也會造成臺灣整個糧食自主權的被限縮也容易被這整個國際價格的一個浮動去影響到這個整個臺灣物價的一個平衡所以本席倒認為說倒也不是說用去提高單一用提高的價格就可以來解決這個問題所以我也請其他的委員一併大家來做思考 |
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國務大臣張綺楷議員國務大臣張綺楷議員國務大臣張綺楷 |
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我是覺得部長在做這個決定的時候今天討論這個議題是非常關係到很多的農民的尤其是連長的農民我覺得要好好用多用心去想一下這個事情好不好我們是說已經賺不價了就是你這段時間你去看你用很務實跟科學的那個數據去看這13年沒調13年看物價起價起多少 |
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均供價都在調．農民這邊不能調你覺得人工．人工也是漲了．肥料也是漲了．所以農業的資產都漲了．現在沒有要求說一定要調．非常非常高你像我們臺灣民眾黨．我們有初步的精算完之後．我們只有提說．現在一公斤是20塊．我們就建議說至少要調到5塊錢以上當然國民黨可能認為應該要高一點點．這個我們可以來討論 |
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剛剛有委員講得很好啊調多調少大家是可以去調論的可是就是說確實我們的農民碰到問題我覺得我們要將心比心去幫他們解決問題其實剛才石榮講的中委員也有他的理論點不過在經濟委員會這麼久我聽起來臺北那些包括民進黨的立委起來都說要調是不是 |
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我覺得這應該是比較朝野有共識的地方請大家多幫幫我們的不只是體恤農民幫幫我們農民這個農業的產業裡面也需要一些有經驗的人留下來說實在現在有些農民 我在那邊整個有人不想再做了 |
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我把它探加,這個不是只有農民的生計的問題那個農業以農立國當然現在變工商業社會,還有一些技術也要繼續下去好不好,我們都往這方面想一下好,謝謝張旗開委員我們就請部長,因為你先坐著沒關係國民黨的提案是希望增加8塊民眾黨提案是5塊以上 |
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那剛剛也有委員表示還有其他的方案那部長你剛剛所提的有一點本席還是要說明就是說會衝擊到農民我想這樣的言語我們沒有辦法接受因為包括部長你本身 |
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以及我們不管藍綠白的委員大家都是一起要好好的怎麼樣去照顧農民包括今天我們在經濟委員會所提出的觀光人力的問題這些都是大家要非常冷靜理性的去討論而且我相信 |
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藍綠白委員全力支持我們所有的農業因為台灣以農立國這個是台灣最重要的寶貝也是最重要的根基所以在這樣的情況之下呢13年沒有漲所以在剛剛所有的委員發言的時候我特別請部長您詳細的來聽而且您也詳細的我看你詳細的在記錄所以我們現在請你再做發表謝謝 |
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主席、各位委員我剛才就是剛才各位委員的發言我都有非常清楚的記錄我想做幾個部分的一個回應我覺得大家都有共識的就是說其實我們要農業部本身的職責就是照顧所有的農民這個我想大家都都是一定同意的所以農業部在思考在這邊提案的過程中 |
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的一些整個的對我們整個產業的一個是不是能夠真正的提高我們的整個的所有的農民的一個收益但不但不只是限於所謂的重道的人因為公糧收購是目前所有的作物裡面唯一是由政府保障收購的其他都沒有全世界只有我們台灣這第一個部分第二個部分是 |
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講到生產成本的提高絕對也不是種稻作的成本提高了其他的所有的作物都提高了那相對的如果說我們僅處理工糧的部分的時候那對於其他種植其他的作物來講那他情何以堪那相對的就是說我們考慮工糧收購的時候對不起喔我插話一下部長這裡都有錄音錄影喔你這樣的言語喔未來很多農民沒有辦法接受 |
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我們今天討論的是稻米的這一塊你把全部的卡來這邊好像中稻的人要求如此是有罪的這樣子不好你應該是針對這個問題來討論好嗎然後提出你的方案我會提出一個方案的那相對的就是說我們 |
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所提到的剛才所提到的這些委員這些建議當然沒有錯對稻農的收益來講以過去的經驗100年提高了3塊加2塊的工糧他在第三年當年民糧的價格提高了可是面積一定會提高提高的話產量就過剩我們現在目前稻米的產量就已經超過20萬噸了那已經有非常大的壓力了所以相對的我們認為就是說在整個的一個 |
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讓稻農本身的收益提高應該還有其他的方法去促成而不是純粹只是提高工糧因為工糧只佔整個稻谷收穫裡面的30%剩下的70%都是產地的一些民糧在收購的如果說我們想辦法讓民糧的價格能夠提升的時候那同樣的對稻農的收益也是會提升的 |
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這是我想農業部一直在從這方面去思考就是怎麼樣讓70%的這些民糧的收購的價格能夠提升所以我們思考了很多配套的措施 |
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我們先讓他說完好嗎那相關的配套措施我們大概從整個稻米產業來講現在有太多的稻米就是稻米的品種它產量非常高但是它很不耐我們的現在的極端天候所以往往是產量很高但是品質並不好然後一旦遇到極端天候的時候它的產量就變得很低農民也會造成損失這是第一個所以我們第一個政策就是說我們會提高獎勵讓這些原本種 |
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這些高產的這些品種而品質不好的品種能夠往優質的品種去走那第二個部分就是集團產區的契作他的價格就已經比我們的工糧收購還高就是大概26到29所以我們會第二個作為就是我們會鼓勵用 |
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政策誘因去鼓勵讓這些農民能夠集合變成基準產業的栽培那第三個部分我們會在高血源線的部分去強化它的稻田轉作讓它本身透過節約獎勵來提高它的一個收入那最後的一個部分就是我們會在特別剛才有委員提到 |
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一些雜糧轉做的部分如果說我們只處理工糧不處理雜糧的時候那會造成我們的所有的政策包括糧食安全會造成一些風險所以我們會針對主要是二級多的部分的轉做我們會加碼換句話說你不中到的一個獎勵那你不中到的獎勵最主要是讓我的產量 |
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能夠維持到目前24萬公頃．以我們專業的計算．產量維持到24萬公頃．整個稻農收益提高．透過這種不重道的獎勵．鼓勵他去種植漢作、雜糧．一方面也照顧到． |
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這些種植雜糧的農民那一方面也因為種植雜糧的農民增加了以後道座的面積不會減少那這樣的話也能夠提高我們種道的人的一個收益那我們說我們希望說我們通過一級就是就是 |
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集團產區二轉就是轉座的部分然後大概這三年之內我們一定至少能夠提高整個工糧大概3塊以上然後透過再加上我們的不重道獎勵的部分以配合的下去的話我相信農民的收益一定是絕對是能夠提升的而且也同時能夠兼顧其他產業的一個農民的一個權益 |
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謝謝主委部長的說明部長我們今天再講一次是針對於稻穀收購的價格你現在的回答是說請他們不要去種稻他可以得到更好的這個收入這個邏輯有一點奇怪好 明天見那莊瑞雄委員再來就莊嘉斌委員 |
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柏庭我來給你簡單的請教這朝野協商也不用這麼緊張就是說想看有沒有辦法沒有我剛剛你聽到的部分我以為那個現在繳交公糧是幾%到底是10%還是30%整體來講30%是繳交公糧70%是繳交民糧這樣有一個大問題你像譬如說我繳交公糧假設你把它提高的話你會不會影響到那70%民糧的部分 |
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對 這個就是我們所擔心的就是當你提高當年他們為了買稻米當年的78的民糧也會提高可是相對的當你一提高的話大家覺得說種到好賺的時候就有很多人 |
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去變成種植水稻當你產量高的時候你公糧的收購是有限的到時候70%的民糧的量會變多以後它的價格反而不會跟公糧一樣反而會更低所以嘛我要問的就是說 |
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你畢竟繳交公糧的部分是少數啦我比較擔心的是說你現在提供提高當然大家都希望農民很開心啊收益會更好啊但問題說你30%的你到底有沒有辦法去確保你38的繳交公糧38的它的價錢去提高以後不衝擊到78的 |
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民糧的部分對這是我們要考慮的就是說當你如果純粹提高工糧收購的時候它勢必會衝擊到70%的民糧那民糧你如果說稻穀產量是足夠的話民糧的價格它是不會拉的不會提高的啊我民糧如果這個時候種植面積再增加的話它更增高對那它的價格會更低 |
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我印象中是通知一點提早一點前來怎麼現在已經講到好像要做結論了 |
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是不是主席在說明下文什麼我們本來是通知一點我們在今天的會議當中都有說明是在會議進行中已經有說明也請各黨團去通知謝謝請發言好來那個主席不用這麼煩啦請發言你來我們是我們都很尊重你來我是覺得部長說的一個重點 |
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民眾、農民,我們都希望農民的收益提高不然長農,長老的、長十年的我們都希望他們收益提高這是我們的目的,盡量錄我們不斷在幫農民的收益講話那主席說今天我們只處理我們的工糧收購價格我要修正一下我們在處理的是我們各農業縣農民的收益簽一法動全身能不能都同時被照顧都同時被提升這是重點 |
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我們不要說挖東牆補西牆：農業生產市場機制：有它的一套邏輯表面上我們看說：例如說：一年的香蕉好價：農民就一直種香蕉：香蕉才要一直賣：但是像今年我們就在煩惱了：香蕉種這麼多：農民就在說這沒有風態：我看這下就白癡了 |
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所以我們國內的農民他不只在種植上他要承擔天災的風險在產銷秩序上他要承受市場價格波動的風險那市場價格有它的規律我們人為的影響有它的限度所以我今天你補正要講的我就是要邀約講一點你現在 |
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公牛你切到會收工的介紹因為我們屏東都有這樣紅包的啊現在你如果說像剛才在說的說 現在如果說公牛你介紹完 大家都來請好啊 大家都來請 你每年都要收喔有沒有這樣的規定我只要來加入 你們會不會繼續收我量鎮價你會不會繼續收如果你沒有 |
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你介紹旗下館,輸贏的介紹旗下館：大家都來種：種一個美女,我們幫忙：大家農民都收購：你農藥補你怎麼省錢：所以我要說,你一個公糧的收購價格：不能只看稻農：你來看屏東,如果中農而已：就很多農民：啊農民要種什麼種什麼：他會煮油啊 |
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人家我就跟韓債說你現在就政策你就不可以換白銀：你政行到你不可以換政策：這不可能嘛所以說我希望說主席我作準中理的但你說的重點不是公牛的收工介紹而已而考慮到全體不只是民東關全體農民他們收到的這個企業介紹的普通甚至影響到人民來收益這點普通的話你要先做個解說 |
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好 謝謝我主席台在這邊再說明我也非常尊重每一位委員中間一邊委員我們現在是黨我們是在做協商那今天協商有題目有題目當然每一個類別我們都關心我說藍綠白的委員都關心我們的農業但是我們今天是朝野協商我們在協商是針對公糧到苦收購的議題我在這邊給你說明好 謝謝 |
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部長 我強烈質疑你的說法因為現在你說民間收購一公斤不到十塊一公斤不到十塊欸 |
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1936.894 |
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我強烈質疑你的說法你現在說不提高工糧收購價格否則民糧會跟著提高那你這個立場不是在保護農民你是在保護糧商欸你是不是站在糧商的立場我沒有辦法接受你這樣的一個質詢就是說我們的政策我不是質詢我是在提出說法而且你也沒有現在也不能回答我我現在就是強烈質疑你剛才的說法完全沒有站在稻農的立場而是站在糧商的立場 |
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1951.91 |
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1954.573 |
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謝謝主席我想公糧保價收購這個案子其實在地方討論很久 |
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1975.412 |
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1993.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
雖然我的選區來自農業區但是基本上我個人的立場我是認為過去的幾年之間農業部對於保價收購這件事情做了很多不同政策面向的努力我們應該給予肯定而且我想 |
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1994.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
2012.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
不只全台灣,全世界也沒有所謂的工糧保價收購這件事如果對於繳交工糧用保價收購那其他的農產品怎麼辦?要不要也要保價收購?所以我覺得 |
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2014.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2032.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
農業部對於不保價收購但是對於如何提高糧食安全如何對於提高稻農農民的收入其實做了各種不同面向的政策但我希望就是說如果我們不提高工糧收購的時候其實農業部應該可以提出更 |
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2033.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
2040.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
不同的對地補貼．不耕作稻米的補償．其他的補貼政策．甚至鼓勵種雜糧的政策．都應該讓各地區的農民瞭解．稻米的 |
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2060.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2073.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
產量過剩這是事實如何讓其他讓稻農可以去轉做其他的五穀雜糧我覺得我們在這一方面的輔導其實更相形重要那你今天提出來 |
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2075.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2098.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
保價收購加8塊加10塊能夠真正解決問題嗎不行那你會把所有的這些農業基金的錢全部用在這個花掉100多億是用在工糧收購上面那你對其他的農民對其他的農產是合理的嗎是公平的嗎我覺得這個可能大家要去更深一層的去思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2099.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2118.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
好 謝謝各位同仁非常的感謝大家在中午時間我們不休息繼續協商重點就是大家不分藍綠白行政部門大家都希望讓我們農民更有好的生活經濟價值可以提升所以聽到大家充分的討論那行政部門的意見跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
2120.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2131.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
這個兩個黨團所提出的委員所提出的議案似乎還有很大的差距所以容許主席臺做這樣子的一個決議本日協商仍無法達成共識國民黨黨團提案以及臺灣民眾黨黨團所提修正動議均保留送請院會處理那也請院會處理前請農業部 |
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2142.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2155.347 |
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：基於農為國本：以農立國：落實照顧農民的政策：思考公糧收購的價格請您完整的去思考我們請他去在我們送優惠出去之後要協商前請他提方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
2172.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2201.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
好 請說主席 不好意思齁因為我們今天的協商沒有共識對要嘛就是再一次協商要嘛就是送院長協商對那您剛剛的裁示是直接送院會處理沒有沒有 院會就是院長一定要先協商所以你 你要講清楚啊我們立法院的規矩我們通常都會講送院長主持黨團協商嘛那您剛剛這樣講的講法是說直接送院會處理喔院長 你不要緊張 謝謝那你就直接送邱老闆去講嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2202.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2225.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
好 你還是要尊重一下我們的意見嘛請說第二個 今天的協商的意見不同但是我們並沒有同意就是公糧收購的價格要去做調整所以您剛剛的裁示是說就公糧收購的價格這件事情要去做討論這個跟我們剛剛的意見表達基本上是不太一樣的嘛 |
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2226.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2252.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
好 我說明喔因為我們一般會請送請院會處理就是院長會召集協商這是我們的規矩那你如果還要指名院長協商院長就是院會嘛我們的文字就是這樣一定會院長協商所以我們就保留送院會處理就是要送院會之前一定是院長協商這是我們的規矩 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
2253.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2277.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
如果你要加入 送請院長處理這個邏輯很奇怪 是院會處理那個 我覺得那個原則要講清楚不然送請院長 召集朝野協商因為你如果只有寫送院會處理的話那我很擔心你們婦婚期總召你的案子也是一樣 你協商也是一樣送院會處理啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
2279.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2280.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
宋祺 宋院長招集黨團協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2297.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2314.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
你這樣子寫細項太奇怪了啦好那謝謝那我們就送院會處理那剛剛還有邱議員所說的因為我們今天的議案是針對公糧收購所以我也充分尊重大家也就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2315.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2341.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
以農為國本．以農立國．落實照顧農民的政策．思考公糧收購的價格我們沒有訂什麼就針對今天的議題由行政部門去提出在院長協商的時候大家再去做討論好不好對主席我是不是可以建議一下不要用思考公糧收購價格用思考公糧收購政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2343.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2368.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
因為你用價格就是表示你一定介紹有關可是今天我們兩個政黨所提是價格問題邱委員我們今天的議案是價格我們要口尾都一致啊但是你現在我們要協商我們要講的是政策問題啊不是我們今天所針對今天兩黨所提的議案啊對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2371.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2398.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
是針對今天的議案啦然後再去做協商啦好啦來那就今天的這個協商呢本席再次說明本日協商仍無法達成共識國民黨黨提案以及臺灣民眾黨黨團所提案修正動議均保留送院會處理那院會處理前我們請農業部針對於農為國本以農立國落實照顧農民政策思考公糧收購價格 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2400.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2401.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
謝謝 現在上會 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2440.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2440.368 |
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啊!啊! |