| IVOD_ID |
16039 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16039 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-26T08:32:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-26T12:05:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:32:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eacf5366a7ae6bcaf795600ace5e54deaf627684c85f64cd7b29e087b14b381cd85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查行政院函請審議「消防法部分條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具「消防法部分條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員黃捷等17人擬具「消防法部分條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具「消防法部分條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員廖先翔等18人擬具「消防法第十五條、第二十一條之二及第四十三條之一條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員吳琪銘等19人擬具「消防法第二十一條之一、第二十一條之二及第四十三條之一條文修正草案」案。七、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「消防法第四十三條之一條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員范雲等21人擬具「消防法部分條文修正草案」案。【第一案及第八案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】
【6月26日及27日兩天一次會】） |
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08:32:02 - 12:05:00 |
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好,我們一位同仁,我們各部位首長,我們現在開會。好,請主任秘書報告出席人數。報告委員會出席委員12人以主法定人數。好,那現在我們開會進行報告事項,請先讀上次議事錄,請先讀。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第24次全體委員會議一事錄,時間113年6月13日星期四上午9時7分至12時26分,地點紅樓202會議室,出席委員蘇巧慧委員等12人,列席委員黃仁委員等24人,請假委員麥玉珍、李博毅委員2人。 |
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列席官員原住民族委員會主任委員曾志勇及相關人員。財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長馬拉歐斯。財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長馬耀古木。客家委員會主任委員谷秀飛及相關人員。行政院主計總處副主計長陳慧娟及相關人員。內政部常務次長吳唐安及相關人員。文化部綜合規劃司副司長顏榕心。財政部國庫署副署長馬曉慧。主席高經召集委員宿梅。 |
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報告事項,宣讀上次會議議事錄,決定確定。二、邀請原住民族委員會內政部文化部客家委員會就都會區原住民族客家族群新住民權益保障措施與精進方案進行專題報告並備質詢。三、邀請原住民族委員會財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會就賴清德總統原住民族政見推動規劃進行專題報告並備質詢。 |
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四、邀請行政院原住民組委員會行政院主計總處財政部就114年度原住民組委員會預算籌編請行進行專題報告並備諮詢。 |
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報告事項合併詢答原住民族委員會主任委員曾志勇報告委員蘇巧慧等17人質詢。分別由原住民族委員會主任委員曾志勇及相關人員、行政院主計總處副主計長陳慧娟、客家委員會主任委員古秀菲、內政部常務次長吳唐安、文化部綜合規劃司副司長嚴榮鑫答覆說明。決定一、登記發言委員處不在場者外區域均與發言完畢詢答結束。二、委員黃建斌、丁學忠、高金素梅、莊瑞雄等4人所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報。 |
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三、書面質詢及未及答覆部分,請相關機關於一週內另以書面答覆並複製本會,通過臨時提案議案,宣讀完畢。好,我們現在委員不足3人,我們一速入站不確定。繼續進行本次議程討論事項,請先讀。 |
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五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具委員黃捷等17人擬具委員蔡其昌等21人分別擬具消防法部分條文草案案。六、審查委員廖先祥等18人擬具《消防法》第15條、第21條之二及第43條之一條文修正草案案。七、審查委員吳啟明等19人擬具《消防法》第21條之一、第21條之二及第43條之一條文修正草案案。八、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具《消防法》第43條之一條文修正草案案。宣讀完畢。 |
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本次議程討論事項合併行打先讓我介紹在場的委員及列席的官員首先我們內政部部長劉世芳部長肖王署署長肖煥章肖署長法務部參事廖江憲參事 |
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五、環境部化學署主任秘書盧伯周勞動部職業安全衛生署署長周子蓮經濟部產業園區管理局副局長劉季傳產業發展署檢任基政 |
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四、審查委員黃美媛等17人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃美媛等17人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員黃美媛等17人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員黃美媛等17人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員黃美媛等17人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員黃美媛等17人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員黃美媛等17人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委 |
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三、審查委員黃捷等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正 |
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主席各位同仁大家好這幾年來其實這個工廠大火已經造成非常多位消防員殉職包括2018年進棚大火然後後來的名陽大火其實看到都讓人非常的痛心那我也一直非常關心消防員的權益 |
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那我認為說現在場所管理人要落實火災的預防自主管理也應該要提升吹哨者的保護所以在我的版本裡面有幾個面向希望來強化現有的規範第一個當然就是消防員的資訊權這個我也一講再講就是廠商應該平常就要準備好自己的化學瓶的種類數量位置的平面的配置圖然後應該要有明確的放置的地點 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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好,謝謝黃捷委員的提案說明,那下一位我們請廖先祥,廖先祥委員提案說明 |
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好 謝謝主席 各位委員媒體先進那我想大家都非常高度重視我們打火弟兄的人身安全尤其是我們打火弟兄於救災的現場常常面臨高風險的環境那如果說他們能夠在第一個時間瞭解救災現場有什麼危險物品的資訊以及內部空間的配置對於他們做出這個第一時間迅速的判斷會非常有幫助 進而減少人員傷亡及財產的損失 |
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因此本席於這個會期提出消防法相關條文修正草案那包括新增第21條之二那重點就是危險物品資訊揭露及內部空間配置的掌握要求工廠儲存化學品之倉庫及儲存場所之管理權人對於具有危害之化學品應於該場所明顯位置設置危害風險標示板標明危險物品資訊揭露及內部空間配置 |
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當危害風險有變動時,就應該要立即時更新,以保障修防人員於救災現場之生命安全,並提高救災效率及降低風險。令修正第15條,公共危險物品及可安性高壓氣體依據主管機關訂定的安全管理辦法規定,應依其 |
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五、容器、裝載及搬運方法進行安全搬運,打管質量時,應在製造、儲存或處理場所以安全方法進行儲存或處理。六、儲管機關對於違反上述規定者其兼具獎金修正為因,以時收罰還總金額收入至一定比例,提供獎金。 |
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其中蔣麗堅舉發人以鼓勵其揭發違法行為,進而促進企業合規及提高工作場所的安全。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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現在補充介紹,我們現場在場的王美惠委員、施巧惠委員、李柏毅委員,謝謝。現在我們再來確定議事錄,請各位委員上次的會議議事錄有錯誤或遺漏。好,我們議事錄就確定,謝謝。 |
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因為我跟各位報告一下今天議程原定審查行政院消防法第8案其中行政院與範圍委員的提案因國民黨黨團未簽署不附議同意書導致今天無法審查而因消防員以職業安全衛生專章目前只有行政院版提出 |
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五、審查造成不能立法本席身為新北市義消大隊長每每看到消防人員的性質都感到十分的痛心因此消防法與院會一睹後應立刻排審希望能朝委共同的討論共識下能夠強化火場的資訊權及強化企業對災害 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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所以我們今天真的很遺憾那我們現在是不是請我們內政部長我們劉世芳部長來做報告謝謝 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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我今天除了謝謝各位委員關心這樣的草案以外,跟大家報告一下行政院現在版本的修正方向。第一個,本次消防法共計修正有22條條文。修法重點為第一,敦促公司企業要重視自主風險管理,以減少火災發生後社會所需付出的重大成本。第二,我們增訂,如果沒有訂定, |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、為強化消防人員資訊權的行使,儲存化學品倉庫以及場所,應該常識備制消防搶救的必要資訊。火災時,如果為指派專責人員提供相關資訊,最高可罰1,000萬元新台幣,以及確保 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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又鑒於近年來消防人員多次發生因為搶救災害而殉職的不幸事故,為了維護消防人員執行職務的生命安全及身心健康,本次修法增訂《消防人員安全衛生防護專章》藉由法制面的規範,要求各級消防機關落實消防人員工作安全措施,以強化對消防人員的安全保障。 |
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本次會針對鼓勵吹哨者檢舉不法、強化消防人員的資訊權,還有提高廠商未落實設備維護的安全管理的罰則,增訂廠商未落實自主管理致人死傷的刑責及建立消防人員職安專章等修法內涵,尚無爭議性,其能藉由這個契機順利完成立法,以敦促公司企業以及社會大眾 |
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五、重視自主風險管理,確保公共安全及保障民眾的權益。以上報告,敬請各位委員、女士先生多餘指教。謝謝。好,謝謝我們部長的報告。其他單位的報告,請委員自行參閱並刊登公報。 |
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現在進行審打委員執行前,原內做以下先告本會委員發言時間4分鐘,必要延長2分鐘。非本會委員發言時間4分鐘,上午10點30分截止發言登記。因本次的會議法案處理,我們就不處理臨時提案。請各位委員有沒有意見?沒有意見,好。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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我們今天修正消防法,主要是希望給消防員最大的安全保障再提升,因為近10年,大概有32位弟兄不幸因公殉職。 |
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今天修了這部消防法,我們可以解決哪些問題?我們剛剛在簡單的報告裡面有提到,第一個我們當然是工廠的管理要加強,也就是說工廠不要把他的這個防火的這個社會成本轉嫁給社會,應該自行管理。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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謝謝蘇委員的指教,我想非常的重要,因為我們未來如果法令三讀通過之後,我們會跟經濟部配合,尤其對於工業區,不管大型的、中小企業聚集的地方,我們會做宣導。因為這一次的管理規則的變動其實蠻細的, |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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好,所以這是第一個部分那第二個部分呢剛剛既然說到消防弟兄的部分了那我們其實是要給他更多的保障可是老實說你從法條文字上面來講大家雖然知道是得到的保障但是其實也加重他非常多的等於是行政負擔啦我必須坦白說啦因為比如說叫他填寫報告也好叫他去做健檢也好叫他去加強訓練也好這些都是應該做的本席都支持本席都支持 |
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但是消防弟兄的勤務本來就已經很繁重了,這些負擔行政加上去,這些行政加上去會不會成為負擔?我想跟委員報告一下,如果他是對消防人員自己本身的生命安全保障的話,這對他是好的。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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感謝委員這麼關心事實上剛才委員提到沒錯就是除了法律面以外事實上執行面很重要我們也很感謝院裡面也核定我們職業的忠誠計劃為了五年呢中央會有輔導團隊地方每個縣市政府就跟深耕計劃一樣有個別有輔導團隊不是說強制性你要怎麼做而是有專業團隊的精神跟輔導讓 |
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所以我就定調你叫做利益良善嘛然後該不該做我也應該做所以這次要不要入法我也支持我都支持了但是光是行政作業這就是一定又是加重了啦老實講就是這樣因為現在的狀況是什麼現在其實就是消防人力其實有不足啦 |
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所以在最後的時間我也跟部長和署長這邊再探討一下我們現在一直在說消防人力短缺這部分那部長我也看到了消防署現在包括這個考試的這個專科比重的計分他重新做了一個調整 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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對,是這樣的狀況嘛,所以你們因為這個數字你們做了調整,我也覺得這個支持。好,可是還有沒有其他的問題?我這樣去看資料以後,我會發現有一個狀況,部長不曉得您有沒有注意到,就是我們有編制原額,然後因為消防還不是一條邊,不是一條邊,所以各縣市有各縣市的做法。 |
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所以在編制原額之後它會有預算原額你有沒有去看過六都的狀況不然我這邊把數字列給您看了你看看其實我不太能夠理解就是這個六都這樣列下來為什麼我們新北市的預算原額的比例是等於是六都裡面最少的啊 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
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是,了解,感謝委員。我們兩個部份來進行,地方政府怎麼增加它的預算援援跟編制援援,這個地方政府也同步在進行。那第二部分就是,地方政府也許認為說我們訓練不夠,那目前我們剛剛委員提到的外國的特考辦是1000名,那正期的學生我們已經擴充到400位,也就是未來每一年會有1400位的學生。 |
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可是你中央在這邊你再怎麼加寬放寬考試的狀況調整狀況你讓人考上去了那如果地方政府不編原額那你還是一樣不足啊所以我會認為這個地方其實中央主管機關應該要下去看看這個問題到底是在哪裡啊謝謝蘇委員的提醒我想我們會預算原額要跟著編制原額一起來編你應該去看地方政府嘛我了解 |
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未來我們如果有新的消防人員有編制到各縣市地方政府尤其是六都的時候我們要求他們的預算員要跟進我們現在看到尤其是本席新北市跟我們主席一樣我們新北市一個消防人員服務1600多位市民這其實是六都最高那我們的比例是最少那我回去看因為我們本來就是看那個新北市政府的新聞稿 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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好 謝謝我們蘇曉慧委員的執行 謝謝那下一位我們黃捷委員 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝主席剛剛其實巧惠委員提到的這個我們高雄也是啦我相信部長自己很清楚高雄我們服務的人口比跟範圍面積比都是最大的因為高雄是六都裡面面積最大的沒錯 所以其實高雄的這個消防員的工作真的是非常辛苦在這邊也要幫他們爭取一下了相信部長也很清楚 |
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那首先我還是要譴責一下在這邊譴責一下國民黨啦為什麼咧因為其實剛剛我們朝委也有講到了今天其實最重要的是要把我們消防法的審查開始進行然後希望這兩天目標本來是這兩天要審查完畢結果沒有想到國民黨團竟然拒簽這個不同意附議書喔讓我是非常驚訝我也覺得非常的遺憾 |
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因為其實這個在上個月在衛福團委員會這個是草野委員都有共識的就是都已經希望說一個月內要求我們內政部要把這個職安專章擬出來那我們也很努力的擬出來了結果沒想到他們今天竟然不要審在這邊予以最嚴厲的譴責我覺得這個速度是應該要加快的 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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因為這個真的非常非常重要因為當時的這個悲劇是六位消防員殉職現在想起來心還是很痛那我覺得最重要的其實當時有兩個問題一個是當時的圖資並沒有及時的更新那時候包括說他們手邊拿到只有最基礎的消防設備的資訊那像是危險物品怎麼擺放然後逃生出口以及工廠的機台等等 |
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這些那時候都是因為沒有辦法及時的取得然後釀成悲劇然後就會增加救災的難度跟迷航的風險那另外一個我覺得很重要的就是專人在現場的協助就是只有他們自己熟悉地形的專人在現場才有辦法立即的協助救災的指揮官然後可以及時的告知這些搶救的資訊 |
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所以後來其實我們消防法有做第一次的修正,就是在21條之一,針對這兩個重點先進行補強了。那後來其實就我所知,內政部其實也針對這兩大問題有給予非常大力的修正。那我想問一下說,後來我們消防署自己做的努力有哪些呢? |
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可不可以大致跟大家講一下我先跟黃委員報告一下大概有兩個地方第一個就是消防署跟相關的機構譬如說像化學署或者是經濟部他們對於所謂的危險場所裡面的危害物質要先事先提供那我們現在增加一個就是對於高樓裡面尤其是建築的這個示意圖也要先提供給消防隊員知道那第二個就是工廠本身上次像進棚大火他們最有缺失的地方是在於說它是放在 |
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五、審查委員黃瑋園等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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好 太好了 謝謝部長那再來我請教一下消防署比較細節的部分因為其實就我所知你們現在也有把這個危害辨識卡把所有不管跟經濟部那邊要的資訊跟所有部會要的資訊都統一的說要揭示在這個危害辨識卡上面 |
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那因為你們也有定一個說到2025年底要進行一個計劃就是要推動說所有的工廠企業都應該要有這樣的辨識卡嗎?那我想問一下說現在這個有沒有掌握說到底有哪些多少比例的工廠已經有把這個危害辨識卡都已經準備完畢了呢? |
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報告委員,H卡目前已經宣導到17845家,就針對危害辨識卡怎麼用、怎麼建設,那這些資料也用在話語協議上面。還有多少要努力啦?應該這樣問。 |
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這個部分我們在整個統計以後我們在查閱還沒做到的目前就朝向這個目標因為目前剛才部長提到過這些資訊都放在化學院上面那我們在派遣的時候這個資訊也通知在派遣上面會出現出來 |
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是用不同的方法來達成我們期待的一個目標是啦 那當然我的最終的目標還是希望不是只有勸導或者是說只是跟他們講醫生說你們要有這個危害辨識卡喔而是他們應該要強制的知道自己有這樣的責任跟義務這些東西都是必須要準備好的這個只是準備的基本而不是說跟他勸戒之後他才勉強的說對我們口頭上有告知啊 |
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所以我覺得最重要的是接下來的救災資訊應該要入法那我也想要誠摯的建議喔在我的版本裡面我把這個危害辨識卡要放在一個具體的地方然後每個工廠都應該要標示把它入法了那這個其實也是你們在在這個推動的計畫裡面有建議的嘛就是說不管是放在執事室或者說他們的警衛室都有一個具體的地方明確的地方是必須要放置這一些資訊的 |
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那我也希望說接下來是不是也把他入法讓他有一個更明確的規範然後告知說沒有放的話你是被需要被開罰的這樣大家才會有警惕才知道說這個是他們真的應該要盡到的義務 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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最後講一下吹哨者保護,因為其實不管是在其他的相關的勞動的法令或是任何的類型的吹哨者保護,其實都是要必要的提供他們不管是法律上的協助,以防說他們因為吹哨然後反而被清算或者是說被找查,這個保護 |
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所以我也希望說在這邊的舉發人也應該要予以不管是法律的協助或者是給予他們一些鼓勵,這方面的保護是不是也在這一次的修法中我們把它放進去呢?是我們的工作,原來是協務委員現在修正成工作者,相關人員都包括在裡面。是,就是等於是可以舉發的範圍變大了嘛。相關的人不會說就是很明確的說很容易被針對的對象。 |
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四、審查委員黃捷等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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謝謝,有請部長跟署長。好,部長跟署長,謝謝。剛才蘇巧慧委員,她質詢的,我覺得她身為新北市,她還是很客氣,主席也是新北市醫消大隊的大隊長。針對新北市,它的編制員額以及預算員額可以短差到接近900個人,這是什麼比例? |
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也就是新北市目前現有原額2500個里面,跟編制原額差了整整快要1000個人,996個人。當然縣市政府他有籌編預算、然後聘任等等的這些權利,但是相對造成新北市消防員的這些 |
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兩千五百個人要多負擔一千個人力的工作,也就是一個人平均要多做快要半個人的工作,也就是本來如果說工作八個小時,他等於要工作加四個小時。這樣子的人力負擔,我想消防署應該有個態度。署長,你可不可以回應一下? |
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是,我們目前遇到人力的問題,其實地方政府也、議會也都在反應,怎麼樣讓消防人力能夠適當的擴充。你這樣講好像是新北市的議會反應不夠用力,差996個人那個比例。雙方面都我們共同來努力,因為消防人力是共同的問題,而且是公共財。我覺得這個問題不能放任,我舉高雄市為例,很努力的在補齊, |
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現在已經差了大概 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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謝謝李委員的關心剛好這兩位遜職的弟兄都是在李委員的選區裡面第一個我們按照消防署給他的撫恤是沒有問題的那第二個就是家屬有要求就是他們自己的家屬第一個要調到這個高雄市的消防局 |
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三、審查委員李姓消防員等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員周智英等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員周智英等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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謝謝部長的安排當然對於罹難的家屬我們感到非常的遺憾對於罹難的弟兄我們感到非常的遺憾之外那部裡面緊急的做這些安排我想也要讓社會也要讓所有的我們的消防弟兄知道那我們有快速的做了這個安排另外針對吹哨者條款我想吹哨者條款這個定義非常的 |
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在我們這個消防法裡面的定義非常的明確公司治理他當然對於他的成本控管 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
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跟委員報告我們是以實際用途來要求設置消防安全設備那我已經關心的就是設備怎麼設違章工廠的部分那經濟部他的特登工廠他有個專業的輔導那有經費的一個補助那這個經費補助我們結合消防設備司事來幫忙設計他的設備的內容然後取得到國家的資源的協助來強化他的消防安全 |
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目前同步在進行當中。對,我想還是要加強我們消防安檢的同仁的這個權利啦。那最後,我看到今天我們勞動部職安署署長也有來到現場。我想周署長應該沒有對消防單位做過職安的檢查吧? |
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報告委員,消防單位不適用我們職安法。對,所以消防員的這些職安的這些相關的規定,未來這個包含他們的這些安全衛生防護法要入法的時候,職安署是不是有相關的意見要作想? |
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其實在消防法的職安專章的過程中我們職安署都有密切跟消防署提供合作把我們建議的條文內容跟相關訊息也發給消防署我想這後續我們會在兩署會更做緊密的合作我想這也是未來要稽查等等還有未來對於消防法要入法很重要的精神也請職安署這邊多協助謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
三、審查委員張宏祿委員 |
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部長其實剛剛我聽了好幾位委員都有說這一個人員編制的不足的等等的部分其實我覺得這個問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
4246.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
4275.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
4275.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
四、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具 |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
這個氣候的變遷等等的像今年大家預估都會比往年更熱而且可能會一年比一年熱那熱我們擔心就什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
4347.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
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十分感謝委員對消防救災用科技方法來救災感到很高興。事實上部長也特別關心無人機在今年我們每個縣市會有補助4部無人機的狀況。救災機器人也是每個縣市有4部救災機器用科技方法來達成這個目標。 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
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4414.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
4435.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
4460.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
4472.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
4477.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
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好 謝謝啦那另外我們本次的修正其實我一直在這個署長你應該知道我一直蠻關心的就是說我們這個化學品跟工廠危險物品我已經執行很多次了這次我們修法也是有把它納入但未來的執行我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
要把它非常的落實,這個部分署長有沒有這個把握,有沒有這個信心可以非常的落實。我為什麼要這樣說你知道嗎?我在廠房雖然我現在給你的是這個,我早上可能要進貨,我先把它挪開,你會知道嗎?你可能不知道喔,那你不知道如果發生問題的時候,我們弟兄就是照原來的這樣衝進去。 |
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有可能會有那個喔。我們如何可以做到這樣?那其實以現在的科技,我們都可以喔。我們的辦法裡面其實施行的細則什麼?是授權你們去處理喔。那我們有沒有信心把它做到這麼細? |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
4570.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
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那你怎麼知道這中間會什麼?我認為啊,署長你剛剛說幾年齁,我真的覺得齁,不用到幾年啦。我如果是署長,如果是部長,我會要求你們這個半年內、一年內,我真的覺得以現在的科技不是困難,是可以做到。那你做到,可以救我們很多的弟兄。這一點我要拜託署長。是,我們來努力。可以嗎?是,我們來努力。好,謝謝。謝謝委員。 |
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4671.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
補充兵役 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
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農業其實需要高度勞力的一個產業,現在因為高齡化,年輕人越來越少,現在務農的人越來越少,那你補充兵役延長一年已經使台中很多務農家庭少掉一分的勞動力,那你現在要取消低收跟中低收入戶申請補充兵役的這個事情,對未來對這些中低收入戶的家庭,它是一個很大的影響。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
三、審查委員林二昌等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員林二昌等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員 |
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改這什麼?第二陸軍啊。第二陸軍,我沒有聽過這種說法。沒有這個齁?你要為什麼這樣講嗎?不然先延續我上次的質詢齁。你在保衛警隊預計外是在2025年要駐派1811位這個經營警隊要駐防在油水電通訊等民生及產業關鍵的這個基礎上面齁。那原本保衛的工作是在科學研究派出所或是核電事務的警。 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
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報告委員,我想您講的部分應該是說寶二總隊在過去一段時間以來希望它能夠防衛我們自己台灣的關鍵基礎設施。原先你講的像科學園區、工業區本來也是關鍵基礎設施,只不過我們對關鍵基礎設施上面的定義增加了,譬如說像電廠或是核電廠。那我想重要的部分是在於就是我們希望能夠防範 |
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| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
一般警專的訓練嗎?不然訓練刺針飛彈、手榴彈、重機械? |
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| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
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對,你讓我了解,本先生是要先告訴我們,你未來這樣子舉行的授訓,他是以重型武器為主,未來他涉及到的是,他的訓練單位是在哪裡,他未來在執勤是要拿什麼武器的。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
為什麼會這樣講?因為像台東縣,台東縣很特別,地形狹長,面積也大,原本的警力就不夠了,那你補充,增加補充的這些警力是到寶二區,那原本基礎的這些維護治安的警力不夠的部分,那我們要怎麼來解決它? |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
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報告委員在警務的這個組織結構上面保警不管從保一到保七他們本來就各有不同的保安任務跟一般我們到縣市地方警察局去服務的這些警察同仁是不太一樣那您所說的是台東縣現在縣的這個警察的警力不足的部分那我們來想辦法看如何來解決但是也希望台東縣政府能夠一起來合作 |
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當然,謝謝。謝謝部長。部長,其實本席擔心的是,原本的警力就在吃緊的,然後又把這樣的警力放到飽和區。沒有,我剛剛已經跟您說過了,在組織結構會編制上面,本來就是隸屬不同的這個服勤的項目,跟服勤的範圍。我們不是用這樣子的移撥的方式,這樣子太隨便了,我想這不太好。不是啦,是說基礎的經濟也要補起來,不然真的不夠了。那因為,其實像台東它不像六都一樣人口密集嘛,高樓林地嘛。 |
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但是台東縣的治安一向都很不錯,所以觀光才會非常的有融解。執警的時候範圍變大,需要更多的警力。我們先講到消防的部分,台東縣主席給我一點時間。 |
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台東目前我們的消防人員只有38位,這個是台東而已,還不包括全台的這個缺額,1400多人。那,署長你說未來要增加這個警專的這個特考的名額,對不對?是。增加名額不代表就有那麼多人願意考,也沒有入企那麼多。那這個部分,署長部長你們有什麼解決方法? |
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| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
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委員關心人力的進出,今年特考班有2200名報名,我們預期入局1000名。去年是考試科目,他的分數達不到50分,所以才386位。今年實際到考是1800位。 |
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那看起來到考的狀況跟考試的內容那考試的配分我們也跟考試院調整過也就考試科目原則要求不變之下怎麼把像英文這些比較不是屬於核心課程佔的比例降低所以以這樣子的一個狀況我們預期今年的入取量會比較理想那這個入取量會配合今年狀況明年後年 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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不是,我想黃委員一定非常關心基層警員的福利,所以我說治安好是表示對他們多鼓勵,那所以現在要增加這個員額的部分,就是我們必須要跟台東縣政府,不管是消防或警察,能夠一起來努力,因為編制員額有了,預算員額也是要在地方政府,所以我們一起來努力,謝謝委員關心。謝謝部長跟署長的答覆,謝謝,謝謝主席。好,謝謝黃建斌委員的資訊,下一位我們, |
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四、審查委員王美惠委員,好,謝謝。主席,我們請消防署來。市長,在這裡因為有很多被審,不知道,在這個三天內,我們的電動車離電池, |
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| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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要大量水來滅火才有辦法達到滅火的目的。要大水跟有法度來修改。在這個過程當中,署長我還在想問,如果現在沒有淨水,如果有淨水的時候要怎麼做? |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
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當水板就是組成一個水槽,灌水就可以用?對啦,我們要加強這個啦。這個訓練,我們都有訓練過,就是說...訓練的東西,你們訓練的時候,那個東西不是你們的啦,是律師做的啦。所以這種設備,要加強,不然律師也要用,跟我們也要用,這樣就慘了。好,這就是整個救災的方法,我們要幫助立法院。 |
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本席要跟你說,消防的、休眠的,在議法2023年一月初開始,我們是做一天休眠一天,但是在這個過程當中,你覺得說,在9年你所寫的, |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
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每個委員都有達到這個目標。市長,你要去瞭解一下嗎?委員,請提醒一下,待會兒委員會做不夠,我們來檢討一下。目前目前的狀況就是秦一休一或秦二休二,每個月的目前狀況是176家,另外加班時間。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
5576.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
主席,您對消防人員所作出的明確定義是什麼?主席,我問您,您是消防人員及消防技師的人嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
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來回答一下。是,感謝委員明察秋毫。其實有規定的,後面25條之二,就是說義消人員,義消人員也適用到他的範圍。市長,你現在就是說第25條在你的安全衛生管理系統裡面,就是有包含義消。是。 |
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因為這裏面本席要向你探討的就是25條知識,經濟的統計、評估消防人員的安全、針對消防人員種種的問題和做法。我認為因其疾病、傷害、 |
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| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
我們消防人員辛苦二少爺現在做義務的更加辛苦所以我們如果要整理他們的管理我們都要整理所以本社會去探討這些問題出來不只是說消防人員我們也不知道你是不是有哪一路這樣是很好的是一個有擔當的政府本社在這裡要跟你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
五、審查委員高樓建築的建築防火避難安全要求重要。對啦,我重要,我現在是說,好心的人脫掉頂,他會脫,他會調查說可以啦,我們合作的時候,這有安全啦,沒安全嘛。是,是我們有需要考慮啦。哦,需要考慮,因為他是愛心啦,我們都有合作,要說有到安全的時候,我們也要鼓勵啦,因為我感覺, |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
5849.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
三、審查委員王美惠委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
5882.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
四、審查委員吳啓明等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳啓明等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員吳啓明等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員吳啓明等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員吳啓明等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
跟教育報告,教育非常關心你自己也是議校的隊長。要跟教育報告就是現時我們已經想辦法改革在科技營的地方、科技領域,因為這很專業的,可以更快達到我們所要求的部分。那這一次呢,剛剛署長也有報告過,這一次我們在招考的過程當中還算順利。那如果順利的話,為了我們希望大概是兩年內可以補足1000到1400人左右。 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
在健康權情形之下,從去年開始,人事總署特別要求補假19,000也提高了,這兩個部分來處理。那也就是在這兩個大原則之下,我們的服務群時間怎麼在這個框框之下, |
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| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
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情務的方針,晚上的情務是白天的三分之一的量,所以晚上的外宿是考量之一。如果在家附近的人可以晚間回到家裡面,時間就會相對減少。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員李電池等17人擬具李電池等17人擬具李電池等17人擬具李電池等17人擬具李電池等17人擬具 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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所以這點是不是你要你就整套,這是我們未來要留住的。每個縣市有四台機器人,也考慮到運輸的車輛,就有包括在裡面,沒問題。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
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今天討論的是消防法的修法。大家都知道在上次民洋火災之後,消防人員上街抗議,要求要組工會。 |
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三、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員黃捷等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
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九千次嚇死人了,所以我這邊昨天在質詢的時候請院長一定要督促秀山消防分隊提早來臨時編制。那昨天很感謝院長跟部長都從善如流。那是原文的部分請署長跟部長可以簡單來講一下,有沒有跟國際相比有沒有盡量來追上其他縣市分國際的標準? |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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很感謝委員,消防人力現在是各縣市正在擴編,尤其情報文化解釋罕有,人力的需求更大。所以縣市目前缺額是1400位,現在正在考特考的學生呢,有2000、200位的報名,我們要入選1000位。那如果說他的分數可以達到50分以上,我們可能考慮還要增額入選,這是針對每年這個量,那每年1000的量, |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員黃捷等17人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等17人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員黃捷等17人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
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當你這個員額在增加的時候沒有想到我們有些老舊的廳舍完全這個空間不足啊來今天跟大家跟部長報告一下看到這個圖大家應該都嚇到齁這個我們所有的辛苦的消防人員除了現在天氣非常熱到外面就在一樣回到自己的寢室或者是休息室的時候發現四個人啊住在一間只有不到 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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部長跟署長,在增加人力的時候,這個人還睡得下嗎?這個未來老舊宿舍、老舊廳舍的問題要如何解決?老舊廳舍的問題,內部裝修,我們去年、今年有針對150個分隊的內部,像這個凌亂或者是不乾淨,或者是有瘋癲,這個目前已經在做,後續還會繼續來執行。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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若說委員關心秀山分隊。不是不是,我的這個不只秀山分隊,秀山分隊是還沒有,還連那個分隊都沒有出現,這是我們綜合其他的分隊,這個宿舍老舊的一個問題。那委員這樣好嗎,就是你有關提到這個宿舍老舊或是時間過久的部分,剛剛署長已經跟您報告是150處。 |
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如果這個150處未來在改善的時候還是不合所需或者是我們要增加員的部分我們來想辦法但是我跟張委員建議就是說目前您在也非常關心所謂的社會住宅如果說可以在錦霄可以找到適合的這個地點我們也希望幫錦霄蓋社會住宅 |
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如果社會住宅可以有這樣的一個空間或是有這樣子的時間出現的話我們的這個這個住住中心或是我們國土管理署就會來幫忙一方面也解決這個年輕的這個消防員未來他們的這個住家或是這個租屋的困難所以如果我們兩個可以結合的話會更好那尤其張委員所在的地區人口非常的稠密怎麼樣找到適合的空間恐怕邀請張委員或是相關的委員來幫忙 |
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好 謝謝部長的回答就是未來大家中央地方一條心那我也希望說我們立法院是沒辦法增加預算可是內政部可以協助這個消防署針對一些或警政署針對一些聽證老舊如果找到一些地方可以來遷移的或者是可以來協助這些住宿的一些問題大家一起來努力好不好 謝謝 |
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三、審查委員張柱倫等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員徐以貞等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃國昌等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員劉世芳等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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我想從去年開始就先有恆春公墓的執勤人員在過程中不小心被6噸的小型水箱車壓死而殉職。然後到了民洋國際的部分又有4名消防員不幸的殉職。另外在新竹移工宿舍的火警也有我們的消防員不幸的罹難。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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現在公共危險物品及可燃性高壓氣體製造儲存處理場所設置的標準及安全管理的辦法,規定工廠有公共危險物品及可燃性高壓氣體達管制量的30倍以上要申報。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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報告委員,我想您非常關心的部分確實是正確,那目前我們的提供不會是書面。譬如說我們自己在借接環境部或是勞動部或是經濟部的資料的話,其實都是用雲端。在派遣出去的時候呢,他們就要配備這個部分,包括我們建築物本身的一個構造圖也是要先派遣出去。 |
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但是比較重要就是說火災現場的工廠管理人他要告訴我們變動的資料在哪裡也就是說剛剛有委員提到了我可能今天進貨一批放在A廠可是到發生火災在B廠你要先告訴我們請問一下他們多像這個部分啊我因為剛我想也是要跟這個部長建議的就是因為現在其實就是網路資訊時代其實可以放到雲端去那我們用加密的方式那請問一下現在業者就已經有做這樣的事情那多久會更新一次 |
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跟委員報告,工廠管理法是半年,去年通過的那個,上半年通過是半年要一次。是,那這樣的時間,對,就像你們剛剛講的嘛,因為半年時間真的太長了,因為,對,對,對,現場的管理人員要讓我們知道說,對,所以是不是可以,在這個部分呢,我們是不是可以請業者啊,不然每週就更新資料,上傳雲端,然後到現場的時候,就是說發生火災的時候,現場的指揮官他其實在 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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另外再請教一下部長有關這次院版修正的第25條之9的規定就是各級政府辦理消防人員的安全衛生防護設備措施跟健康檢查所需要的費用應該優先編列預算請問一下部長這次增訂這個條文的用意是什麼? |
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我想我們既然把這個消防法設定一個職業安全專章對於消防人員包括是正職的消防人跟義消本來就是要保障他的身心健康既然要保障他身心健康的話他不管是防護設備或者是他自己本身的體檢所需要的經費當然要優先編列那現在沒有嗎 |
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我們現在優先編的意思是應優先編列,那現在本來我們針對現在的消防員就有編列。對,因為我想對於各級政府來說,一定就已經在做這些事情了嘛。包括地方政府,中央政府一定會編列。對,那地方政府應該是他只要裁員沒有困難的,他一定都會優先編列嘛。所以我現在不曉得說這個條文寫上去的意思是說,現在有地方政府沒有這樣做嗎? |
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感謝委員目前裝備器材種類消防就裝備器材種類真的很多那我們整個盤點以後像最近院裡面核定的23個計畫總共270億就是針對這個問題來解決目前狀況那這一次的職安的終審計畫也特別針對消防特定的檢查我們每年也匡列一定的額度 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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事實上有些地方政府事實上財源並沒有那麼充足,所以這個部分的話,如果遇到這樣的一個狀況,是不是可以請中央也優先提供補助呢?謝偉提醒,其實我們剛剛署長講得非常清楚,就是如果它是屬於全面性或通案性,譬如說我們救火的消防人員,他可能肺部需要做健康檢查,那這個大概就是我們全面會處理,但是跟 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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請問一下,這個意思就是說我們中央主管機關內政部消防署要罰我們的消防局嗎?是這樣的意思嗎? |
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第13條之二其實這個部分就各級消防機關各級消防機關所以他會有他的上級機關比如縣市政府那中央會有中央內政部或消防署這邊來執行當然目前這個條文我們會先從改善的角度來做處理不是一下子就處罰 |
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因為我想這個部分如果說是罰消防局的話那你說好消防局的局長是要用自己的薪水去付罰還還是要用這個消防局的預算支付? |
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這個部分,我們事實上這個條文定點就是要讓縣市能夠面對到前面這些,包括剛剛委員所提到的,可能預算的編列、裝備器來提供,或者是他的訓練、或者是治安這些問題。我只是點出這個問題,希望說針對這個部分,事實上你罰消防局, |
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三、審查委員黃國昌等21人擬具 |
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二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案。二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案。二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案。二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案。二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案。二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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當然,安慰辦法的修正、強化這個是保訓會跟人事總署必須要面對的問題,但我們先處理消防弟兄關係的事情。 |
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過去這個安慰辦法該修沒有修該推動沒有推動大家全部都在踢皮球現在搞到要到消防法裡面去設專章不過目前基層消防員的訴求是全部納入《治安法》當中今天早上 |
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今天早上,消防員權益促進會發了一個聲明,他們再次的呼籲,他們不希望用消防法裡面的專章,他們希望全面納入《治安法》。對於我們基層消防弟兄這樣的訴求,部長有什麼回應?因為《治安法》的主管機關並不是內政部,我是不是可以請相關部位來回應一下,好嗎?可以。好,署長。 |
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委員好我是勞動部職安署有關職安法部分確實在102年的時候修法的過程當中我們試著要討論要把公務員納入我們職安法可是在102年的時候已經定調就是我們公務員辦法的安全部分你說102年定調嗎是我們那個職安法修法的時候那時候我們是希望102年定調是2013年嗎是是那個時候還是馬政府時期嗎現在新的政府沒有新的思維嗎出了這麼多事情 |
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這麼多寶貴的生命寶貴的家庭都破碎了所以我們現在是民進黨政府消歸潮水嗎2013年的政策到2024年沒有重新檢討的必要嗎對於消防弟兄希望全面納入治安法來請教署長消防署的署長您是所有消防弟兄的大家長啊所以該幫他們講話的就是你啊贊不贊成 |
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好,跟委員報告,事後給我一點時間說明。 |
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消防的職業安全絕對比勞工的職業安全還高。這我也應該可以來支持這個論點。那消防的職業安全也比一般公務員還高。所以整個盤點以後事實上我們兩個研究案在做處理。一個就是針對於消防到底用什麼法律案來確保我的安全。所以在去年過去三年已經把美國的消防人員職業安全、日本東京的消防人員職業安全引進到台灣。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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我先跟署長確認一件事你要說明我也給你時間說明了剛你說我們消防弟兄的職業安全他的標準應該高於一般的職業安全問題是你們目前消防法專章規範的密度有比治安法規範的密度高嗎這是我的問題 |
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各位委員報告,治安法裡面所列的這些項目,相對應我們都列上去。有嗎?是在現在的草案上嗎?還是你未來要規定的質疑?相對應的方向,大章節我們都列進去。是在法案上嗎?還是未來你要去另外定質疑?是現在在草案上還是未來要定質疑?當然,法案絕對不可能全部涵括進去。所以你要另外定質疑是嗎?後面很多措施。來啊,我就直接給你看。 |
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你說消防安全應該要比一般的勞工標準更高然後你們要把相關的規定放在草案裡面人家在職安法為什麼要用職安法因為職安法裡面針對僱主應該遵循的指引是鉅細靡遺的寫但你們現在所推出來的草案來我先問署長一件事有吹哨子的保護機制嗎已經列進去了第幾條 |
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十五條已經有針對吹哨者的機制來做處理。來來來,你把院版十五條唸給大家聽。好,感謝委員。公務員、省務委員這些到管制兩時,應該在製造的場所進行處理。那所以呢?還沒結束。後面應該是在後面的條裡面,這些場所, |
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我現在是說基層申訴違反職啊你說有吹哨的保護機制在第幾條?15條講的是什麼?15條講的是有關於15條公共危險這個是場所的問題耶跟委員報告公務員保障法這邊這個公務人員的吹哨應該是回到公務員的安慰辦法27條28條所以嘛我剛說月版的消防法沒有嘛是 |
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三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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公務人員安全衛生辦法30條我不是寫在上面給你看嗎違反對於吹哨者的保護去追殺他接下來的罰則是什麼有嗎你說在院版的消防法有我就跟你講沒有嘛還在這邊公開胡扯所以我問你消防法第幾條你講不出來嘛你胡亂引15條你以為大家不會看法條喔 |
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十五條是你講的嗎那你說要回到安慰辦法就現在規範保障不足嘛所以我請教你嘛違反吹哨者保障他的法則在哪裡有寫嗎你看一下職業安全衛生法有沒有吹哨者保護的條款有耶法律要件法律效果都有耶你們的消防法根本沒有啊 |
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公務人員安全衛生辦法也沒有罰則你剛剛好意思在這邊講你們現在提供的保障比安慰辦法還要高來再往下沒有提供必要的安全衛生設備智商網要對誰究責依照你們的版本這個是職業安全衛生法有的嘛沒有提供必要的安全衛生設備智商網對誰究責 |
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欸署長你怎麼對你們自己研擬這麼久的法案這麼不熟啊? |
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兩部分公務人員對於他的員工出問題涉及到堵職這方面這個是有回歸到公務人員服務法這方面的處理我現在問你的是院版的消防法規範在哪裡我條文都幫你整理出來了OK委員關心的消防人員出問題的一個保障就回過到那個機制好 針對委員所提出的署長感謝這五個委員報告是辦公室報告感謝 |
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我這樣說好了啦你上面寫的要對誰究責非常的荒謬啊你要處罰誰中央主管機關上級機關通知限期改善沒有改善要處3萬元以上30萬元以下罰款你要罰的是誰各級消防機關喔中央地方去罰消防局喔阿這樣是有什麼嚇阻的效果 |
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你作為消防署的署長我等你的法案等這麼久你可以不守到這種程度還在上面胡扯讓人嘆為觀止跟委員報告是不是給我一點時間我們會後再跟委員詳細報告目前是直接用法律面的執行怎麼用輔導的方式來執行讓消防能夠走得更健全如果不需要法律只要輔導現在消防弟兄就不會發出怒吼了啦 |
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三、審查委員黃國昌等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員黃國昌等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員劉行廷等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員廖行廷等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員廖行廷等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員廖行廷等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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好,這個部長署長齁,這個你不要怪說在野黨沒有簽署所謂的不附一同一書齁,讓這個法條今天還是只能停在答詢的部分。實在是因為大家對於如何保障不管是消防基層弟兄或是說針對消防法的內容齁,其實我們認為有若干可以在更精進之處嘛,所以我們當然要提出版本。這我覺得有時候互相互相啦,像當初這個海保法對不對,我們就等政院提出版本。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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第一個,我相信這次修法核心的目的是完善消防人員的這個保障,職業安全的保障,以及提升救災效率以及等等。那我就要先講第一個問題,這個有關於倉儲的問題。工廠管理輔導法21條1項,規定工廠製造、加工或使用危險物品達管制量者應該要申報。 |
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那這次的修法行政院院版的消防法的21條之一剛好都是21條講說工廠、化學物品的倉庫及出身倉儲管理人平時應備置化學物品總量、數量、位置平面圖以及搶救資訊於火災發生時應立即提供消防指揮人員第二火災發生時要指派專人協助救災從這兩個法條其實可以看出差別這個純有化學品的工廠 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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如果平常只是配置,就是你講的就是準備好相關的配置圖,然後發生災難的時候才提供,來得及嗎?請回答。是,感謝委員。我們在這次修法也把資訊權的部分拉進來,就是專業的人他要現場提供就在院資訊的一個場面。我現在跟你講嘛,實務上來講,你準備好,萬一都放在這個場區裡咧?進不去拿不到怎麼辦? |
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申報跟被制的最大差異就是申報提早交到政府機關的手上出事的時候你第一時間你政府就直接拿是不是你就掌握資訊可是你如果只是準備然後發生的時候提供萬一他拿不出來怎麼辦 |
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感謝委員,這個部分院裡面有特別交代,就針對倉儲的部分怎麼來處理,這個已經有一個案子在執行當中。那另外跟委員報告就是說,今年我們最近這幾天會把倉儲自動消血設備的...你不要跟我扯別的,你就談條文就好。就是你這個倉儲有化學品的,你只要備次你不用申報,會不會造成漏洞?有沒有可能造成漏洞? |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
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這第一個問題好不好,我希望你們再去做一下思考啦,當然應該要申報嘛,因為你預先掌握資料,到時候災害一發生的時候,我馬上掌握資料,我就在才會精準嘛,對不對。第二個,叫存放一般用品的倉庫啊,不是說只有化學品才要管理吧。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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那這些易燃物品的時候燃燒起來的代價這社會要承擔的代價不見得亞於這個化學品的倉庫化學品倉庫的危險在於救災危險我完全同意要重研納管我也完全同意所以我剛剛才講應該要申報對不對但是這物流倉儲的危險在於燃燒的面積還有燃燒的時間跟程度這個不只是只有消防的問題它也有公害的問題 |
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本席會這麼關心這個題目就是美孚倉儲大火那一把火可以燒三個禮拜那是多大的浩劫那請問部長請問署長這個化學品的倉庫跟一般物品的倉庫哪一個比較危險應該都很危險吧對不對既然都危險那一般的倉儲要不要納管要不要列管在消防法的修正裡面你是不是要有一些專門的條文把它也納入列管的範圍跟我們報告 |
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我們消防法管理的是它的消防安全設備這第一部分另外就是化學物品它的位置構造達到管制量的時候它的位置構造設備這是我們要去處理的地方這是我們法定的分工條文的這個區塊裡面所以剛才跟委員報告就是怎麼跟經濟部來協調 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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我們都肯定行政院很快的提出了消防法的修正案這個我絕對願意肯定這個是重要的民生法案當然既然是重要的民生法案我們當然希望在討論的過程中各方各面可以一步到位最後花一點點時間講一下主席你一定要給我30秒因為您是義消大隊的大隊長這法條裡面有規範消防員的健檢補助講消防法25條之6講說有健康檢查跟臨時健康檢查 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防機關要負擔費用,這支持基層弟兄百分之百同意。」三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防機關要負擔費用,這支持基層弟兄百分之百同意。」三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防機關要負擔費用,這支持基層弟兄百分之百同意。」三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防機關要負擔費用,這支持基層弟兄百分之百同意。」三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防機關要負擔費用,這支持基層弟兄百分之百同意 |
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我們既然要幫義消爭取權利,我當然希望他跟一般的消防基層弟兄一樣,也有一部分健康檢查補助的這樣子一個機制。那你都可以准用25條之2或25條之4,你為什麼不能准用25條之6呢?你如果讓他准用是不是基層的義消,當然你講有經費分配有些壓力這本身都了解的,但我們總要往前進吧。義消在協助救災付出的這個程度,其實有些時候不亞於真正的基層人員。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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雖然今天沒有辦法進到主條,但是我不管是第1會期尾巴或第2會期開始,我們趕快讓這個法完善的情況下來通過,好嗎?好,請繼續努力,謝謝。好,謝謝,謝謝牛先平委員的執行,謝謝。好,下一位我們蘇清淺委員執行。 |
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我看你對消防人員的照顧不足,要做公會你不準, |
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消防人員的耗損率那麼高,受傷比例,我們屏東一個民洋大佛,就這麼多人。整兩天,八婆又站上去。我是,剛才我們主席是義消的總隊長,我是鳳凰志工大隊的大隊長。鳳凰志工大隊在支援我們的救護車,救護是很重要的。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
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二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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第12條因為在北北基桃非常嚴重的衛護部有搞一個主動脈剝離跟腦中風、腦血管動漠取酸素這個是要區域聯防區域聯防因為北北基桃這邊的民間救護車量不太夠 |
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所以,常常坐在那邊等,要送到重症醫院,要等,有的要等到60到90分鐘,那個黃金時間沒了。所以我提這個就是說,如果民間的救護車,叫人家救護車超過幾分鐘後,是不是可以叫我們消防隊來支援?我們消防隊就去訪談說,怕死人,他們就沒人了。所以,是不是這個要再修改一下? |
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蘇董,你有看完嗎?剛剛講到委員,委員對於救護也很了解。目前,今天救護店差不多130萬件,差不多26秒鐘有一趟救護,這個負擔真的很重。所以剛剛委員提到就是,人力充實這個正在進行,是。當然要給我們一些時間,配合他的預算增加,來增加他人力。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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所以要兼顧到消防現有能量,也要兼顧到民團現有的救護能量,我想這個是我們來跟國防部的建議的地方。因為北北基桃這邊的民間救護車的量是不夠啦,所以他會去說要叫我們消防隊來支援,但是消防隊本身我想我們可以只有這樣來修改,就是說我們 |
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消防隊本身要在人力充足的情況下才來支援這個第二段的轉送那沒有的話就還是給民間救護車來執行這樣可能比較妥當啦因為你們的人力我看全台灣各個消防分隊沒有一個滿邊的 |
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平東縣所有的消防部隊沒有一個滿編的,大家都缺額,而且有缺的很嚴重。所以我們部長跟我們署要努力的還有很大的空間,做的真的不足。 |
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因為剛才蘇議員有說到公益人員不足的地方,我也在其他地方跟很多委員報告,讓我們兩三年的時間,因為我們這屆連消防的正職人員,要怎麼樣可以馬上到消防員的到位,真的是需要一點時間,不是今天說明就做得到。那我們現在考試的部分的話,剛剛我們署長報告過,這次的考試會比較好,不會像以前只有三成的合格率,現在可以提高到五成或六成。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。九、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。九、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。九、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。九、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文� |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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當我們行政院第2月有通過一個方案,就是有中程計劃261,其中有人力補充方案和一些60億的社會更新。行政院邀請一國稅務,剛才我們補充就有說,當這2、3年會來補助這些人員。希望當這人員,我們可以,不要說設定當2、3年,可以更加加速。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員黃捷等17人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員黃捷等17人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
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三、審查委員黃捷等17人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等17人擬具 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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我還要了解一下問題就是我們議社的國分輸用的經費是否同樣由我們中央才會協助?這我們要拼命。對,很麻煩,這就是重點,很拜託。是,感謝委員。好,謝謝,感謝主席,謝謝。好,謝謝,謝謝我們丁協聰委員的支持,謝謝。那下一位陳亭暉委員,陳亭暉委員,陳亭暉委員不在。那再來我們林大法委員。 |
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法定人數不足 |
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部長我們今天想跟您就教這個我們基層員警的一個權益同工而不同酬那本席的這邊有個質詢的討論的一個方向第一個同工不同酬繁重加成比例是有落差的第二個我們來看警民的比例第三繁重加緊也應該要一視同仁最後有具體的要求 |
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好,在同工不同從,繁重加成比例有落差。其實這也要感謝我們行政院,它很重視在基層遠景的業務繁重,全天24小時的維護社會治安、守護安全,甚至要面臨各種突發狀態,危險性極高,而且更在非洲豬瘟。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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但我的桃園、台中、台南、高雄卻只能在這提升在5%之上,只能加7成。好,那難道我其他的這個六都除了台北、新北之外我們的勤務特別的輕嗎?好,我們來看這個警民比例。這個警民比例是從人口數跟警察、員警的比值。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
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也就是說警民比例值越高我每位警察人員的工作負荷量愈大。台北、新北這是110年、111、112、113年這近4年來我就以我高雄 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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9912.823 |
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好,那這個去年112年5月,我們陳其邁市長也呼籲比照雙北,呼籲警政署呼籲內政部應該要比照雙北,公平對待。現在一年過去了,那部長您剛上任,我希望您能夠重視這樣的所有,我只講六都而已,是應該要同工跟同酬的。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
所以在這邊本席有一個具體的要求,就是在一個月內,內政部是否能夠基於公平正義的原則,全國警務人員應該疑似同仁,內政部即刻檢討現有的緊急繁重加緊的規則。 |
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更正加擠的規則並且回溯機制本席認為這個回溯機制都應該比照到去年的7月因為它剛好是我行政院重視我們警員能夠提高到15%那我應該從這個時候算起有一個回溯機制好我們警政單位是如此也請部長是否能夠內政部來所屬的消防 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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今天署長沒有到這裡來。那部長您可以指示下去嗎?一個月完成。沒有問題,我馬上會交代下去,但是是不是給她一點時間,因為我沒有辦法幫她解決所有的。好,那我在這邊具體要求警政署一個月內完成所有勤務同工不同酬的現況,而且我這邊有要求這邊能夠還有一個回溯機制。部長可以嗎? |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員 |
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三、審查委員林大煥委員 |
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好,謝謝主席。部長,你休息一下。那我們請署長。好,署長。好,謝謝我們蕭署長。好,署長。本席在6月7號也有在這個行政院院會大院質詢行政院長施政報告。那昨天收到貴署的這個回覆。您大概沒看過這一份回覆吧。好。 |
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也給部長一份首先我要延續我們之前所講的我們消防人力人多就安全 |
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這個我相信也很多委員也都有反應現在消防最大的問題就是人力不足當然你們這一次的有七大政策提出七大消防策略裡面也有增人力這一塊 |
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本席之前委員會也質詢,院會也質詢,針對人力不足的部分,你們回覆,特別針對去年,你們特別回覆,我們說招考不足,本席覺得你們宣傳不夠,所以老是招考不足,結果你們就回覆說有啊,有在廣為宣傳啊,你們怎麼宣傳?署長你知道嗎?你們是怎麼宣傳的?你們就是透過招募海報, |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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這個比我們一個地方議員、一個小區域的議員還要少人,你這個叫做宣傳嗎?部長你要了解一下。再來,本署持續積極推動充實消防人力,還透過什麼跑馬燈、電子看板、標語、海報、網站。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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所以從這邊我們就可以知道,你要招收到足夠,我們現在人力全國都在哀哀叫囉。署長你知道嗎?知道全國人力都不足嗎?這一點。這瞭解,目前缺額是1400位。缺額是1400位,你想招收1000位,依據過去8年,8年的執政經驗,我每一次的招收都是20幾%。你這一次招收2200人, |
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那你20幾%就是招收400人,可是你目標是1000人。等一下再說明,最後再說明。所以這一塊,我們覺得宣傳不足。公務人員嘛,世衛素餐,你問所有的委員或是問你們的總統, |
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我們的總統,應該是我們的總統,我要宣傳我要拿票,假設我要拿10萬票,總統我要拿600萬票,我宣傳我可以只對100萬人宣傳嗎?或只對50萬人宣傳,我想拿到那麼多票,那你今天想要招收這麼多人,你隨便宣傳, |
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這就是最大的問題我們不希望再看到因為人力不足人力不足所以造成一直有我們這個消防人員的殉職這個要誰負責人力不足每一屆都不足連續8年人力不足造成消防人員殉職行政單位沒有責任嗎他們就只能這樣到了火場人力就是不足 |
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所以這一塊本席要特別特別講再來因為時間的關係你們還有天裝備請問這次天裝備有沒有電子式火警災害現場人員管制系統有沒有 |
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二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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請問一下,你們的天裝備裡面有含給義消的嗎?也包括義消。因為義消他們也覺得,因為他們常常要支援,常常不足。好,現在您可以先簡單回覆剛剛人力的問題。感謝委員。消防人力的問題,以今年現在正在訓練這個問題是,剛才委員講到1800位,其實去年我們是要錄取1000位。那1800位在考訓的規定裡面可以錄取一半。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
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這個宣傳這個專家多的是你要用對地方是因為你們的宣傳費用我本席據本席了解你都用在其他方面宣導對不對那你可以撥一些啊讓人力充足真的消防弟兄的心聲就是人多就安全人多就安全 |
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本席不希望我們下個會期下下個會期我們在內政委員會碰面不希望人力一直不足署長拜託你好不好委員跟委員報告今年明年1月份入訓就批我們期待人力會大幅增加這是第一個部分跟委員報告明年8月份警專的正期班入訓再批本來是150位明年已經增加400位 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案案件事項》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案案件事項》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案案件事項》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案案件事項》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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但是要肯定我們內政部長上台後我看到院部長的發言都覺得非常棒所以對我們那個劉世芳擔任部長期待很高所以待會我的幾點要求也希望那個內政部長既然還有時間的話可以多考慮好不好我主要就是從我們基層消防員的一些期待那希望能夠聆聽他們的聲音 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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所以這個一千萬比起來如果遇到像民洋這樣是不是還是杯水車薪那我的版本是以年營業額之一定比例那這個部分我有跟你們溝通過你們覺得執行上有問題那是不是可以說明一下那是不是還有空間啦因為我是說以民洋為例的話你這一千萬雖然聽起來很高可是對他們來講可能還是罰不痛 |
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四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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考試員在定定協會法的時候,協會的代表就是基層同仁。所以委員建議說,在我們的執行委員會裡面,本來就協會的代表就是基層同仁。如果說委員認為基層同仁需要再增加,我們再進到實質條文的時候我們再來,是不是? |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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對於上限的部分,我們如果說合法的工廠都有年度額度,但是很多的不是合法的工廠,或者是年度額到底是多少,這個可能不好掌握。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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所以這個部分我們是比較保留說這樣要不要處理那至於納入25條18這個我們可以再跟委員再來商討看怎麼樣把這個既然要列專章那列專章就是把消防人員保障服務做得更好那對他的一些權益這些能夠做得更好我想這個是我們共同努力跟方向謝謝委員那最後一個確定那個罰則你們會增加嗎 |
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我們可以把委員的這個建議進行納去。那其他的部分可以再思考一下。是,我們再來考慮。或者最後不能修法,但你們確定會再執法做的話,那可能我們可以用這個附帶決議的方式處理,好嗎?好,好,就再勞請委員來跟我們知道。那再次肯定我們劉世芳部長在很多議題上都見急禮急,那希望這個部分也能夠把它修到很好,好不好?好,好,謝謝部長。 |
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三、審查委員張祺凱等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
11057.09 |
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蔣委員好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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11092.375 |
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| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
11117.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
11146.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
11149.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
11165.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
11171.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
11187.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
11208.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
11213.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
11235.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
11243.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
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11270.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
五月八號就三讀了,現在有沒有落實做這個事情?這個跟委員報告,那經濟部的部分的話,目前的話,針對申報的部分的話,大概有兩個規定。第一個叫做定期申報,大概是半年的部分。第二個部分的話,是叫做動態申報。動態申報,只要的廠商在工廠裡面的危險品的話,它有異動,數量的增減的時候的話, |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
11271.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
11277.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
11291.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
11315.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
不不不,我告訴你,你不要當年再公佈一次。動態動年期隨時要申報嘛,可是每一個月你至少是很清楚的,你要定期一個月申報一次啊。這個動態動年期你保證說好了嗎?你要把那個半年,你要施行細則裡面那個半年要改成一年喔?要落實好不好?是。OK,那就是串接,我要追這個東西,就是要串接到你這邊,你的資訊才能夠接起來好不好?好來,我再問一個最近, |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
11317.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
11335.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
這個事情很重要,前天南韓發生鋰電池工廠的火災,這個署長應該一定有注意到,23條人命。其實我們台北新北前陣子2月份深坑也發生鋰電池,那個工廠鋰電池爆炸,整個臭氣都燒到新店、中永和跟文山去了,鋰電池都是說危險,是危險。那現在針對這個有兩個很大的問題,這可能要部長要打了, |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
11360.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
目前鋰電池的安全是山不管,山不管,你國土署有在管,經濟部只要有產發署跟標準局、消防署跟交通部,這邊現在沒整合,要怎麼樣才管這個?否定你可以出名去整合一下嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
我想如果站在消防署的立場,我們一定會來整合,因為鋰電池如果發生火災或是爆炸的話,最後還是要消防人員去負責救火。您剛所提報的就是有關於鋰電池的部分是經濟部目前在管,但是我們也知道其實我們消防署很快的就把美國的防火協會裡面如何處理鋰電池的火災的相關資訊已經把它download下來。 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
11392.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
11396.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
11414.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
11418.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
11437.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
11446.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
工廠的自動燒水我們在下半年會把這個條文列出來當成一個業者真的發生問題能夠達到一個控制程度的一個目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
11468.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
我們把它具體化,好不好?我們來做三件事,好不好?第一,以南韓這個事情為鑑,鋰電池這個,我們先做我們的打火兄弟,我們消防一定要保護好,所以碰到這個鋰電池這個就在那個標準的作業程序,SOP,你目前應該有的,對不對?那你再怎麼把它精進一下,好不好?你在大概一個禮拜內? |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
11470.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
11474.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
11489.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
11539.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
11562.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
11583.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
五、審查委員林德虎委員不在。六、審查委員林思敏委員不在。七、審查委員曾政權委員不在。八、審查委員游浩委員不在。七、審查委員吳宗憲委員請執行。謝謝主席,那我們請部長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
11590.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
11592.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
請部長委員您好部長早安部長我就是等一下要跟您請問一下那個蘆洲地區的一些事情但我先剛剛因為我剛剛聽那個前委員有提到我想請問一下這個鋤能廠李電池這個鋤能廠這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
11617.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
你們有沒有去看一下那個消防指引啊就是我們現在消防指引它所對的這個鋰電池儲存廠的那個電壓數跟現在的電壓數有沒有一樣就是我們那個原本指引說要距離多少公尺嘛譬如我們設了一個儲能廠在那邊然後我們多少公尺以內不能有什麼樣的公共設施因為剛好我今天是臨時想到我資料沒帶來多少公尺內有什麼樣譬如說加油站或什麼不行有那這個消防指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
11649.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
11652.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
11679.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
是,那個委員可能您所提到是要蓋一個新的還是說現有的?因為如果要蓋一個新的話,它必須要按照剛剛我們提到不是只有消防法,消防法是輔助,因為工廠管理輔導法,或者是相關地區,是不是工業區等等這些,需要經過環境影響評估。那如果是現有的部分的話,要看你的儲存的量有多多。那這個呢,就必須要經過包括縣市地方政府或是中央政府的相關機關一起審核通過才可以設置。 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
11700.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
謝謝部長因為我今天主要不是問你這個問題所以我資料沒帶過來是當我前幾天上個禮拜我在閱讀一些資料的時候我發現一個小狀況就是我們現行的對於這個儲能廠的消防指引它所對應的當年的那個設施是多少千 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
11701.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
11711.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
11728.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
11729.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
11734.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
11743.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
二、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
11764.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
11765.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
11782.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
11783.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
主席主席主席主席主席主席主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
11830.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
11833.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
蘆蘭、魯北都市計劃必須與三重果菜批發市場共同考慮。三重果菜批發市場包括容積率的部分,先做一個很簡單的告訴我們是怎麼一回事,通過了以後你才能考慮 |
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| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
11857.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
11879.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
11886.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
你要去回覆原來的民意上面,比如說有人有提出連署這麼多,你必須要去協調或是溝通清楚以後,再附送這樣子的一個資訊給我們在內政部的審查來條例的辦理。那我們在跟侯市長在處理的時候,他也了解這個狀況,也就是說你不能把三重還沒有通過的部分,然後就說我已經到蘆洲通過,然後兩個一起並行。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 |
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| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
11996.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
因為醫院的部分也必須要有衛福部經過他們的相關程序處理但是因為這個部分其實跟都市計劃有關係嘛那我才會來請教那個部長這一塊那我只是在提就是說因為這個東西醫院這個興建是當地所有人都非常期望不管他是什麼老人小孩啦黨派什麼都不管他們都非常的在乎這件事所以我想說部長你能不能夠在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
11999.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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好 謝謝部長那如果最後10秒鐘我們撇開都更不談但至少如果有其他方式可以先徵收這個醫院用地然後讓他們做這個醫院的規劃如果有這個可能性法規上可以的話再麻煩部長一般來講都市計畫或者是都更它是一個完整的區塊你不可能切割來處理 |
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因為那裡面有包括公共設施或是包括其他的必須要處理的方向這就是為什麼我們都市計畫會常常會有需要很多的條件需要補足的時候才能通過那所以我剛剛的意思是說再麻煩部長在法規能夠允許我知道這個法規上有些問題我之前在新北當法治局長那再麻煩在法規能夠允許的情況下至少我們以醫院為優先的思考好不好 |
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我們盡量在都市計畫上面,就是我剛所提到,你只要所有的條件都完備的時候,我們在都市計畫的委員審查裡面是不會卡關的。好,謝謝部長,那就等這一句話,謝謝部長。好,謝謝,謝謝我們吳宗憲委員執行,謝謝。好,謝謝。好,下一位我們張蕙祥委員,張蕙祥委員,張蕙祥委員不在。 |
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楊瓊英委員、楊瓊英委員、楊瓊英委員不在。好,謝謝。好,等級花園委員除不在場之外,其已經與花園完畢,執行結束。 |
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五、審查委員高津樹梅委員、王美惠委員、楊瓊英委員所提書面執行列入紀錄刊登公報。書面執行及未答覆部分,請相關單位一周內以書面答覆並複製本位。報告委員會,現在我們先讀討論事項所有的版本及條文,請先讀。 |
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第15條,委員陳亭妃等提案,將第三項前段之行為仍修正為工作者,增訂第六項、第七項,舉發人因前項規定受有不利處分者,主管機關應提供必要之法律輔助,舉發人因其揭露行為有犯刑法、特別刑法之妨害冥冥罪或背信罪者,減輕或免出其刑。原第六項、第七項一列為第八項、第九項,其餘同現行條文。委員黃捷等提案,未增訂第七項,其餘同委員陳亭妃等提案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。九、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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條文修正為,工廠儲存化學品之倉庫及儲存場所之管理權人應依下列規定辦理,以平時備制化學品種類、數量、位置平面配置圖及搶救必要資訊,並於火災發生時立即提供消防指揮人員該等資訊。 |
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二、火災發生時只派專人至現場協助救災。委員黃捷等提案。第一款修正為平時配置提供廠區化學品種類數量位置平面配置圖及搶救必要資訊至於警衛室或廠室有人駐守支持日式固定位置至少每半年更新一次並於火災發生時立即提供消防指揮人員該等書面或雲端資訊。其餘同委員陳亭妃等提案。委員蔡其昌等提案。委員吳啟明等提案。均同委員陳亭妃等提案。 |
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增訂第21條之二,委員陳亭妃等提案,工廠儲存化學品之倉庫及儲存場所之管理權人對於具有危害性質化學品應與該場所明顯位置設置危害風險標示板,標明危險物品資訊揭露及內部空間配置,危害風險有變動時必應及時更新,前向危險物品資訊揭露與內部空間配置掌握及具有危害性質化學品範圍, |
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項目與危害風險標示板之等級、內容、顏色、大小及設置位置由中央主管機關公告之。委員黃捷等提案。第一項後段刪除,標明危險物品資訊揭露及內部空間配置。第二項前段刪除危險物品資訊揭露與內部空間配置掌握等文字。其餘同委員陳亭妃等提案。委員吳啟明等提案。委員蔡其昌等提案。同委員黃捷等提案。委員廖先祥等提案。同委員陳亭妃等提案。 |
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第三十五條委員陳亭妃等提案條文內容修正為長所致管理權人有下列情形之一於發生火災時致人與死者處一年以上七年以下有期徒刑得病科新台幣一百萬元以上五百萬元以下罰金至重傷者處六月以上五年以下有期徒刑得病科新台幣五十萬元以上 |
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二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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四、第15條第一項所定打管質量公共危險物品之製造、儲存或處理場所,為符合同條第二項所定辦法中有關設置或維護場所之位置構造或設備規定。五、第15條之六第一項所定製造、儲存及處理公共危險物品合計打管質量30倍以上場所,為訂定消防防災計劃或為依消防防災計劃執行有關避難引導必要之業務。委員黃捷等提案同委員陳亭妃等提案。委員蔡其昌等提案。 |
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三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。 |
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增加第五款文字如下。第二十一條之一,第一款工廠儲存化學品質倉庫及儲存場所之管理權人,位於平時被置化學品種類數量未知平面配置圖及搶救必要資訊或與火災發生時未立即提供消防指揮人員該等資訊及提供資訊內容虛偽不實者。其餘同委員陳亭妃等提案。第三十七條, |
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五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。九、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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五、防火管理上必要之業務處新台幣2萬元以上30萬元以下罰款。第二項一列第三項第三項一列第四項並著作文字修正其餘同先行條文。第四十二條委員陳亭妃等提案委員黃捷等提案條文內容修正為第15條第一項所定打管質量公共危險物品及可燃性高壓氣體之製造儲存或處理場所 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。九、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。十、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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依前二項規定處罰還後,經通知限期改善借其人為改善者得按次處罰,並得予以30日以下之停業或停止其使用之處分。第15條之六第一項規定之管理權人未則由保安監督人訂定消防防災計劃,處新台幣2萬元以上30萬元以下罰還,並通知限期改善借其為改善者得按次處罰。 |
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五、製造、儲存及處理公共危險物品、合計打管質量30倍以上場所所發生火災時,管理權人違反第15條之六第一項規定,為依消防防災計劃執行有關危險物品管理必要之業務,處新台幣2萬元以上30萬元以下罰還。第42條之3委員陳亭妃等提案,委員黃捷等提案,刪除第一項第6款,未則由保安監督人訂定消防防災計劃等文字,其餘同線型條文。 |
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第43至1條委員陳亭妃等提案。第一項修正為違反第21條之一第一款規定場所之管理權人平時未備置化學品種類數量未置平面配置圖或搶救必要資訊或與火災發生時未立即提供消防指揮人員該等資訊或提供資訊內容需為不實者處管理權人新台幣50萬元以上300萬元以下罰還。 |
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將第二項工廠修正為場所、增加於火災發生時等文字,並將罰款修正為新台幣50萬元以上、1000萬元以下。增訂第三項。第二十一條之二,第一項規定之場所管理權人對於具有危害性之化學品違反該項規定位於該場所明顯位置設置危害風險標示板或危害風險有變動時為即時更新或設置標示板違反同條第二項公告有關等級內容。 |
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顏色、大小或設置位置之規定者處管理權人新台幣2萬元以上、150萬元以下罰還。其餘同現行條文。委員黃捷等提案。第一項修正為違反第21條之一第一款規定場所之管理權人平時未備置化學品種類數量位置平面配置圖或搶救必要資訊或未置於警衛室或場時有人駐守之值日室之固定位置 |
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並至少每半年更新一次,或與火災發生時,為立即提供消防指揮人員該等書面或雲端資訊或提供資訊內容虛偽不實者,處管理權人新台幣3萬元以上、300萬元以下罰還。第二項,刪除與火災發生時等文字,其餘同委員陳亭妃等提案。 |
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五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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委員吳啟明等提案。第一項法環修正為新台幣5萬元以上、500萬元以下。第二項法環修正為新台幣150萬元以上、1000萬元以下。其餘同委員陳亭妃等提案。台灣民眾黨黨團提案。第一項法環修正為新台幣3萬元以上、120萬元以下。第二項法環修正為新台幣50萬元以上、250萬元以下。其餘同現行條文。 |
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第47條委員陳亭妃等提案。增訂第二項本法中華民國全年全月全日修正之條文施行日期由行政院定之。委員黃捷等提案。委員蔡其昌等提案。委員范雲等提案。軍統委員陳亭妃等提案。宣讀外閉。 |
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本次會議是行政院版本互為後再並案進行審查。本次會議就到此結束,先來散會。 |