| IVOD_ID |
160389 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160389 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-21T09:07:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-21T09:14:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/16e1d9e54b37d4c8c4bbdc3b3dda4f3cd5119736a8127fe7a7b5a1fcb72359eb0b16ca848615eb905ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:07:06 - 09:14:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、法務部調查局局長、法務部廉政署署長、國家安全會議、國防部、國家安全局、海洋委員會、內政部警政署、國防部憲兵指揮部、國防部資通電軍指揮部、海洋委員會海巡署率所屬相關單位列席就「軍事審判專庭（股）之執行現況，並就共諜滲透、機敏資訊洩漏等國安事件及忠誠安全查核機制，提出檢討報告及防制措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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有個會議詢問因為今天我們要針對的是有關於共諜滲透以及我們相關安全考核機制的作為我看到今天邀請列席的官員名單當中國家安全會議上面一片空白我要跟主席確認一下今天國安會有派人來嗎 |
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跟委員說明 今天國安會沒有派人來那為什麼可以不派人來那這個部分我再說明一下那國安會也沒有跟我請假那他們確實有一個人跑到我辦公室然後拿了一個信封然後我的助理有問國安會的自稱國安會的人員說這是什麼他就說想要請假 但是我助理因為 |
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問他有沒有跟召委這邊講 那國安會說沒有所以我助理就拒收 因為他沒有經過我的同意我要跟主席說明一下 就是說目前國安會秘書長吳釗燮他的親信涉及到的共諜洩密案可以是目前在我們整個國安案件當中啊層級最高 太陽最嚴重的 |
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結果今天國安會排這麼重要的報告沒有經過主席的同意竟然半個人都沒有到委員會來我要提醒一下依照國家安全會議所成立的組織法國家安全會議組織法第八條明定 |
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國家安全會議及其所屬的國家安全局是受立法院監督我想主席是法律人這個法條白紙黑字寫得非常非常的明確如果今天司法法治委員會針對這麼重要的事情國安會不要說祕書長吳釗燮我不知道他是尷尬還是心虛不敢來 |
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我不做預斷但半個人都沒有來那請問國家安全會議組織法第八條他們受立法院的監督是形同巨文嗎是形同巨文嗎如果當法條寫得這麼清楚那請問國家安全會議所謂受立法院的監督是要怎麼監督連主席排這麼重要的議案目前在整個共諜風暴中心的國安會 |
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都可以不派人來請問本院到底要如何監督 |
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當然就是說我有稍微去看了一下過往的記錄那在段宜康曾經也就國安會不到場他曾經有嚴厲的批判過所以其實民進黨在擔任召委的時期當然也有對國安會不來有意見那我再看了一下過往的記錄其實顧立雄以前在擔任秘書長的時候其實他如果沒有辦法到他是會請假的 |
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那我不知道為什麼顧立雄做得到 吳釗燮都做不到那我自把事實說明清楚因為如同剛剛那個黃委員所說如果我們一切依照法律來看憲法六七條六三條他本來就有我們立法院可以成立委員會嘛而且對於一些重要的政府官員我們除了法律案預算案之外跟國家有關的重要事項本來就可以請他來說明所以這也是為什麼我們這次安排的這個會議我們希望說 |
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竟然我們的政府每天在那邊喊說我們現在遭共諜滲透是史上最嚴重那甚至要恢復軍審法恢復一大堆法而且還要修改國安法兩岸人民條例竟然有這麼多這麼多這麼多的意見他認為共諜這麼嚴重結果呢今天敵人就在本能室我們的共諜就在國安會卻不處理那如果依照這次台北地檢署處理 |
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國民黨的台北市黨部只認為說有黨工涉案那就要把黨部主委也要申請羈押他說因為推定黨部主委也有涉案那是不是若依照檢方的這個邏輯的話那是不是國安會底下有員工涉案那國安會秘書長也有涉案 |
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所以我想說我們不是說預斷他有涉案但我們希望他能夠來說明這就是我們這次安排這個會議的主要的目的更何況這個人待過總統府跟國安會跟外交部其實將近九年的時間他只有做過一次的安全考核那我們也希望說了解這個是什麼這是我今天排案的目的跟委員報告不好意思喔再用主席一點時間因為這件事情非常重要我理解主席曾經努力過所遭遇到的困難 |
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那剛剛主席所提到的那個是在2013年10月16號的時候內政委員會由民主進步黨的段宜康召委他排了一個專案報告那個時候邀請國安會的秘書長到結果國安會沒有派人來那個時候由段宜康以及現在監察院的秘書長李俊逸還有高雄市的市長陳其邁他們一起提案什麼提案譴責國安會 |
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譴責國安會說他們為什麼可以不派人來我覺得這是基本上國家法治的問題個案的部分個案的部分吳釗燮是不是有心虛是不是覺得丟臉不敢來那個是他個人的問題但我現在重視的是什麼重視的是國家安全會議組織法第八條是被廢了嗎如果沒有被廢的話 |
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召委都已經發文 請國安會派人來 竟然可以不來沒有關係啊 我就依照相同的規格當天 段宜康召委一開始的時候在處理這個議案 國安會沒有派人來的議案是請議事人員聯絡 |
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請他們在今天會議結束以前派人到司法法治委員會來是不是可以拜託召委提醒一下國家安全會議2013年10月16號就已經被民進黨的委員提案譴責過了啊結果今天他們自己執政自己可以不來這什麼道理啊是不是可以麻煩請主席才是麻煩我們的議事同仁辛苦一下 |
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撥個電話通知我們的國家安全會議官威很大官威大的不得了啊說不來就不來那這個部分我們就麻煩議事人員聯繫那如果官會那邊有任何意見的話就可以跟他用2013年段奕康召委當時召集會議的時候他的論述可以直接請官會那邊參考那我們一樣請他們能夠派員過來好 謝謝 |