| IVOD_ID |
160356 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160356 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-17T12:24:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-17T12:32:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c2d17dc46794b9a4eb31c0827d939298db8644d80871ec8675aa7aeb25548b490517bbc9abd8d9385ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:24:42 - 12:32:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請環境部部長、經濟部、外交部就「因應美國退出巴黎氣候協定並提出對等關稅，對國內產業淨零轉型造成衝擊」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請環境部部長、勞動部、教育部、經濟部針對「國內校園、賣場及工作場域之室內空氣污染物管理及防制精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【專題報告綜合詢答】
【4月16日及17日二天一次會】） |
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主席 各位委員 有請部長有請彭部長周委員好部長好 |
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根據環境影響評估法前面一條的第五條就是開發行為對環境有不良影響質疑就要進行環境影響評估而這個環境影響評估法第五條所列舉的總共有十項當然第十一項是其他中央主管機關所核定的 |
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那光這十項來講,基本上所有的進行都會涉及到什麼呢?就會涉及到原住民族基本法第21條政府或私人以原住民族土地或部落及其周邊一定範圍內之公有土地從事土地開發、資源利用 |
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生態保衛及學術研究因諮商並起的援助民族或部落同意或參與 |
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所以這個部分就是就會涉及到這個到底要先進行這個原住民族基本法第21條的規定先經過部落諮商同意還是直接就先進行環境影響評估然後又有第一階段又有第二階段對不對 |
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這樣的一個會有這個到底誰先誰後然後對原住民族而言哪個有利或是對業者而言哪一個有利因為要進行環境影響評估不管是第一階段或是第二階段 |
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都要花不少的費用吧要吧報告委員原住民的這個法跟環評法是兩個平行的我們這邊是環境的把關所以如果是涉及到原住民的那我們就會請原住民相關的單位一起來審這個案子所以這個是我們還是最終的環評保護環境品質保護的這個部長不太一樣因為你這個請 |
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原住民相關的機關 譬如說延民會去參加這個環境影響評估的會議他不能代表那個部落對不對 不能代表那個部落所以這個是不一樣的 那個只是一個相關的機關去參與而已所以這個部分 我個人的建議啦我個人的建議 就是說 |
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這個業者你可以通告說業者是不是你要先經過部落的同意如果涉及到部落的部分不要到時候第一階段完成了第二階段也完成了結果後來部落不同意對不對那對業者是非常不利啊所以這個然後這個環境影響評估的期間第一階段第二階段部落就一直很擔心啊 |
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所以這個部分是一個兩方面怎麼去共同的去處理如果能夠先進行原住民部落的諮商同意不是沒有這種案例喔對我就講這個蘇花安交通部的蘇花安蘇花公路有一段有三段要改為它名稱叫蘇花安蘇花改都已經完成了那另外蘇花安 |
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在最後一次的環評大會之前呢所有的部落的諮商統一都已經完成了 |
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所以這個部分其實是可以這樣子去進行的部長你認同嗎我非常認同因為任何的開發單位一定要跟當地的住民例如說原住民做好細部的溝通他們送進環評到我們那邊我們來審核才有機會會比較容易過關因為任何的單位其實都可以來旁聽也可以來發言這是環評的制度所以我們都有考慮到這個系統所以例如說我舉例像台東 |
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這陣子說要蓋陸域風機其實我相信當地的原住民就感受到這樣的東西我們也聽到了也看到了所以我們也表態了這個有關提到這個東海岸的風電的部分 |
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以這樣的一個密密碼碼,25個,還不包含那個大武達了那個海岸,那個如果包含的話就更多了所以整個東海岸就是這樣,所以這個部分,第一個,相公所反對 |
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長濱鄉公所已經表達反對成功鎮公所表達反對當地的人民表達反對台東縣政府也表達反對所以最近都被質詢除了你被質詢之外還有經濟部經濟部長直接就說如果地方政府反對 |
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我就不同意是那就還要不要進行所以這個部分的乾脆就所以你們跟內政經濟部跟環境部這邊要讓這個要讓這個業者知道啊啊 |
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尤其是經濟部長說他親口在立法院說的台中憲政我反對他就不同意那就還要不要進行不要浪費任何的環境影響那個開發他如果是在地的居民有很嚴重的反對其實要過的機會環評委員都會縱觀所有的那我們最近看到很多陸域封建的案例都是附近的民眾的反對地方的反對沒有辦法過的所以這個是最重要要聽民意是最重要的所以我的意思說這個相關的這些意見 |
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也請這個因為法案沒有明訂所以就請這個環境部因為現在目前是這個案是在你們在公告嘛對還沒有送進來完全沒有送進來是開發單位自己在準備當中對對對所以你們要把這些意見給他們因為我們一般相關的這些意見無法我們沒有管道給他們嘛所以你們可以給他們 |
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現在我們因為有大量幾千則的意見在我們環境部的公開網站留言所以我們都會給開發單位他們會知道會處理但是沒有的就是在立法院經濟部長親自回應的時候地方政府不同意他就不會准那個也要讓他們知道我相信他們比我們更清楚謝謝謝謝曾天才委員發言那接下來請陳培宇委員 |