| IVOD_ID |
160346 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160346 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-17T11:19:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-17T11:31:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c2d17dc46794b9a402254d4d7036f6a6cf11904fa481b7b675aa7aeb25548b498184ff050374ff9c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:19:46 - 11:31:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員林信得列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【4月16日及17日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 大家早請林主委好 應安衛林主委主委早這個有兩個議題想跟你分享一下一些意見跟看法第一個大概就是這個剛剛應該今天早上或許應該有委員也問到這個陽梅休息站 |
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一個分隔島這幾年我隨便查了一下應該好幾起事故都撞這個分隔島今年最新的就是今年的1月25日撞了分隔島結果就有起火造成了傷亡 |
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主委你大概知道這個事情你們也開始著手進行調查公路組應該有在調查那現在調查的進度是什麼現在調查進度 |
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跟委員報告那目前我們已經去收集相關的資料並且把這個電動車拖掉到我們的一個消防署的一個場地裡面去做整個車輛電池的一個檢查那我們預計預計會在這個 |
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七月份的時候會出一個事實資料的一個報告那再來會去做分析跟審查所以最晚會在明年的七月去完成這個調查報告的一個發布好好組長那個你你 |
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那一個分隔島每次撞都是電動車嗎或者是都是含有自動駕駛或者輔助駕駛系統的車子嗎就你們的現行的資料裡面我先不管那個調查最後那個結果跟原因啦就是說以目前可見的這些撞上去的是不是都是 |
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電動車這個輔助駕駛系統的車子跟委員報告我們已經收集這個歷次的一個資料那你撞了幾次你現在手上有的資料撞了幾次就那一個分隔島每次都撞那一個 |
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對 目前有大概比較我今天手上比較掌握的大概有七件七件對 那有一個是遊覽車也撞那一個對 也是撞那一個那這七件裡面的車輛是否都是 |
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自駕系統 或者有輔助駕駛系統那大概有三件是有開啟那駕駛說他有開啟 先不管他有沒有開啟是不是都是有這樣的車子並不是 還有是一般的車輛也都會去在初步你不覺得很弔詭嗎就一個分隔島撞七次的就你有的資料啦至少他就撞七次了那你會不會覺得這個現在不是七月啦 不談玄學就是 |
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這裡面的原因我覺得是值得探究啦因為老是撞這個地方這很怪那當然今年一月這個是有媒體報導是有開啟這個輔助駕駛系統那本席啊從這一題裡面我其實很擔憂一個事情 |
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科技一直在發展跟進步所以未來這個運劇當中它所包括以後AI的運用或者等等它勢必會越來越多的對人類看起來更方便 |
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但是他的安全性他必須跟因為他的安全性不管你雷達不管你用攝像鏡頭就簡單講現在我們可預知的科技的概念跟體系他基本上跟環境都產生很大的關係那我當然不知道這個雲南會調查這個結果是不是因為譬如說標線或者其他的裡面的環境的裝置物讓 |
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輔助系統去誤判這個我不知道因為要等你們專家來調查出那個結果但是這個結果啊還要一段時間你七月才公布你所收集到的這些事實狀況那你要再進行調查可能又要一段滿場的時間可是這些科技 |
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國人同胞每天正在使用輔助駕駛系統大家也逐漸的熟悉而且我相信很多人或許他就很習慣在某一些時段或者某一些路段他就開啟了輔助駕駛系統 |
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那如果這樣的問題不趕快解決我覺得這個其實是一件蠻令人擔憂的事情蠻令人擔憂因為大家都在做這個事情那我講過它跟環境會有關係嘛因為它是電腦所以它透過雷達透過攝像鏡頭然後讀取快速判讀 |
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然後這個輔助系統他就會依照這個判讀的結果去做操作但如果這個環境我們沒有辦法細緻的去掌握到特別是一個地方老是撞那裡那這個有一點危險就簡單講就是說下一個會不會又開了如果假設他跟輔助系統的判讀錯誤有關 |
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那會不會下一個在那個地方開輔助駕駛系統的人又再來一次所以有時候有一些案子它是有急迫性的就是說它可能對你其他運具或載具的這些使用發生事故 大型事故或許你用比較長的時間 因為它不常被發生 |
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所以或許它時效性上可以容許你做一個比較完整性依照你們的進程跟流程去做調查但是本席比較擔心的是老是撞這裡然後這裡面又有一些是開了輔助系統我不知道這有沒有關聯性但我覺得像這種事情應該是不是有一種機制 |
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你們應該要儘速的去做至少把這個可能性先排除說應該不是開輔助系統的問題所以主委你現在懂我在講什麼嗎這個可不可以先來去調查了解或者做一點排除或者讓大家安心或者你警告大家最好這裡不要開輔助系統因為它有可能是原因之一 |
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這個分析的非常透徹這個案子的調查重點我們是分成三個組在做一個道路環境分組還有車輛跟紀錄器的分組還有一個操作生涯因素因素其中有關道路環境分組裡面特別講要檢視道路跟它的交通工程設計它是不是符合法規就剛剛委員講的跟我們的方向是一致的 |
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所以我的意思是說至少你如果沒有你一定要等到這個115年以後才可能把那個調查但是你們預估嘛那可不可以再事先做一點警示或者是狀況的排除就它不是最終報告但優先去把它做一點了解跟讓提醒我覺得這個可不可以 |
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這個案子我們已經立案調查那過程中我們有跟高空局有在聯絡高空局事實上他已經對這個路口已經開始在看要怎麼改善他已經在研究了所以是不是輔助系統不知道所以我的意思就是說這是攸關人命 |
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所以我但是我知道你們有程序你們要嚴謹因為你們講的話或許會對社會或者對產業的有一點衝擊對但是我的意思還是老話一句人命無價如果說你說一件案子老是就是就發生過一次可是在你的手上就七次都撞同一個地方 |
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這件事情我覺得不能夠跟一般的案件等閒失之沒有錯好不好主委你去研究一下看什麼方式去做一點提示提醒或者說確定排除這個應該可不可以提早一下可不可以我們可以研究一下謝謝那第二件齁這個就是我們助理在非安報告裡面早上好像委員有提到這個耳機掉掉到那個椅子那個事情 |
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所以這個是這樣子 像這些東西第一個我們不可能禁止大家不戴耳機然後你也不可能禁止不戴那種單顆會掉落那種耳機的確是很容易掉落 我自己使用的經驗來講我也常常會不小心就掉落那要不要制定一個系統 因為後來這個案子的處理方式是拆椅子 |
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就是叫飛機先不要飛因為那個耳機裡面有電池嘛那怕產生危險所以我們叫飛機不要飛航空公司也算負責叫飛機不要飛然後拆椅子拆完之後把那個耳機取出然後裝回去然後再飛那像這種案子啊這個以後我認為他掉落的機率蠻高的 |
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那這個要不要我們來有一套SOP或者使用什麼樣的方式可以來比拆椅子更可以快速排除因為你動不動一個不小心掉了那飛機可能一耽誤又一個小時兩個小時甚至更久 |
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那這個對我們在航空業或者說對旅客的甚至商務的方便性跟效率上面這個都會造成很大的衝擊所以我的看法是第一個不可能叫人家不戴耳機第二個不可能影響飛安安全我們就給他飛了所以我們一定要有第三種選擇就是怎麼樣可以快速排除所以 |
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醫院會是不是找至少國行裡面椅子的設計它有多少種樣態那這些樣態可能如果發生這種情況它掉落的位置在什麼位置有可能可以做什麼樣處理這個是不是可以來做一個SOP或者一個簡單的指引這種東西我們可以來研議看看好不好或是把它綠定出來對對對就是建議他們找大家來討論一下看這個因為這個 |
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諸葛我不知道你有沒有使用啦你應該沒有使用啦對像我就是有使用的可能我年紀還算輕啦不知道這沒有老人家的問題啦很多老人家我看他也在用因為我在公園看到那個老人家在運動的時候他也帶跟我相同的耳機可是我覺得這個耳機真的容易掉真的容易掉那像我們家買這種耳機啊最常發生的原因就是掉了一個 |
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就是小朋友不小心掉了或者我自己也不小心就掉了掉了一顆所以我覺得掉落是會容易會容易發生的事情所以研議一下啦好沒問題我們來先走幾個開會對這個應該不宜拖太久啦看怎麼處理好不好三個月半年內就把他把這個排除的方式有一個指引啦是謝謝好謝謝 |