| IVOD_ID |
160342 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160342 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-17T12:00:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-17T12:10:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c2d17dc46794b9a444441406e28350f5db8644d80871ec8675aa7aeb25548b490feb37a46d737cc75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:00:24 - 12:10:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請環境部部長、經濟部、外交部就「因應美國退出巴黎氣候協定並提出對等關稅，對國內產業淨零轉型造成衝擊」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請環境部部長、勞動部、教育部、經濟部針對「國內校園、賣場及工作場域之室內空氣污染物管理及防制精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【專題報告綜合詢答】
【4月16日及17日二天一次會】） |
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主席謝謝 麻煩請彭部長麻煩請彭部長 |
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侯委員好部長好感謝周偉安排今天這是蠻符合時事議題的那本席剛也聆聽好幾位委員的一個質詢我就直接就教因為最主要現在最重要是美國的關稅產業衝擊那請教環境部有沒有針對我們出口導向產業的減碳投資策略做提前評估有沒有掌握所謂的受影響的企業清單 |
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目前我們還是看這個關稅因為關稅32%你剛有講就32%到最後多少不知道但是我有注意到你剛講到一句話就是說有些產業會活不下去哪些產業目前如果32%的有一些傳統產業的確是非常辛苦不過我們也在做比對是跟我們碳費的關聯性到底是如何目前我們來看的話的確有一些但是不是很大 |
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是啊 但是你剛剛有講到所以說本席現在是想問的是說你們環境部盤點的狀況針對說這樣子的一個衝擊那你剛剛提到是說油產業活不下去那甚至有講到轉型嘛福島轉型 |
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那我想請教具體的方案現在演你了嗎其實這個最重要是要看最後關稅的談判的最後的結果所以目前我們說真的我們只能說去預你可能最後的衝擊是什麼因為最後每個產業是不一樣的那當然最早是半導體業那當然32%是很幾乎是大家都衝擊很大那部長那一天上禮拜五的專案報告或是說這禮拜二的院長的總質詢我想你有在現場嗎都在現場 |
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記不記得上禮拜有專案報告裡面院長有講到一個880億的方案那其中裡面我們那時候就講了會不會還有需要再盤點的部分院長也在我禮拜二總之選的時候就有講了就是說880億是一開始提出來但是有可能因應現在的變化 |
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會再請各部會再匯集再提出那我也問就是說880億會是最終嗎院長好像鬆口了講不一定因為我們要經過特別條例所以有可能未來下個禮拜報出來的特別條例的相關草案會比880億的規模更多對不對那現在我們環境部有沒有針對這個部分也譬如說我們現在盤點有可能的衝擊假設我們以最壞的打算真的到時候還是32%降不下來 |
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那我們受到衝擊以及我們後續轉型的一個方案的部分有沒有跟行政院爭取額度爭取中我們現在爭取中預計會要爭取多少額度現在還蠻難盤算的出來下個禮拜院長就醫院長的講法下禮拜就要把特別條例送到立法院 |
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因為八百八其實他很早就定案了七百億經濟部嘛一百八十億農業部嘛所以沒有環境部啊那我們是希望未來第二波或是第三波的時候我可以把我們相關的產業可以納進來但是現在以特別條例來講 |
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應該要超前部署就是說我們現在還是要做好打算特別條例編過之後請注意喔 部長要有一個正確的觀念特別條例編過之後我們是訂一個上限譬如說那個時候易厚振興3800億 |
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但不是說3800億你就是一定要用完如果說真的我們的景氣恢復之後3800億裡面有一些也是可以不要用但是我們訂個上限3800億那一樣的道理如果說這一次因應美國關稅的調整880億假設880億或者說假設到時候院長提出來1500億 |
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那可能各部會先把需求丟入讓行政院統籌送來到立法院因為正式要三讀通過特別條例也需要差不多兩個月的時間還會經過財政委員會以及各委員大家來做一個審查那但是你如果說現在沒有先掛號沒有先爭取你就沒有你懂我意思嗎對所以這才是為什麼本席關注的是你有講到有產業活不下去你有講到要協助轉型那但是我們的工具跟辦法是什麼 |
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因為第一個是如果說產業真的活不下去其實經濟部產發署那邊他們是主要負責的那我們這邊是關注於轉型轉型的過程當中他們是不是需要各種綠色轉型的一個協助那這個部分我們也會跟他們一起合作所以掛號的部分也跟委員報告我們的確去掛號但是其實到最後的這個金額多少我們也在等行政院到最後是不是通知我們有沒有那個額度把它放進去當然我們是希望是能夠在這個領域部分能夠多幫一點企業的忙 |
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因為環境部的預算相對少所以我才會提到是說如果有一定要大力的爭取才有機會協助我當然知道說企業還是經濟部為主但是我們怎麼樣利用這所謂的綠色的部分來去協助企業轉型這也是我們的契機點 |
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來部長那另外跟你請教現在台版的碳邊境調整機制也就是這一個你在報告裡面有特別提到說目前都還在做跨部會的協商4月有協商過一次那現在到底有沒有施行的時程目前我們在等那個歐盟的細則因為目前歐盟的細則還是會讓歐盟先行 |
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歐盟的因為歐盟是確定這個明年開始要收然後後年2027年2月開始可以去買那個憑證等於是說目前我們是緊盯的歐盟的角度那歐盟也很關心我們會怎麼訂那我們也跟他們報告跟他們討論說我們會跟你們一起走就是說我會參照你們的因為這個會減少各種的這個因為如果我們要訂一個台版的CBAN也是要通報這個WTO等等的所以這個其實是一個很複雜 |
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因為現在包括說主要出口產業鋼鐵水泥這也是你報告裡面有提到的嘛這一些的業者也好相關的從業人員也都一直在關心我們到底說我們什麼時候提出來或說是不是有可能有施行的時程以來回推做預作準備而不要變大家措手不及所以從您剛剛的這個回答我是不是可以以來推敲就是說至少是讓歐盟先行我們看歐盟的一個狀況我們再來做後續的一個處理 |
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歐盟是明年1月1號開始施行那他的辦法應該在暑假的時候7、8月的時候細節會有一些公佈那整個大的框架他已經很清楚了所以我們大概會照著他的框架走所以如果說我們明年例如說他今年已經開始試申報了說不定我們明年開始就可以開始試申報例如說水泥從這個越南進口的水泥他就要必須申報他的碳排系數那我們還會有別的工具例如說 |
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我們的公共工程建設要求說一定要有碳足跡那這個呢就是會保障我們國內做轉型的水泥業或鋼鐵業這是一個有追蹤的機制對對對我們現在是準備要這樣做好所以說還是要有預告期讓相關業者都有規則可循對一定的最後一個部分抱歉因為您也提到一個綠能人才培育量能3500名一年現在施行幾年了 |
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現在今年是轉換因為過去像去年環境部大概是一年大概1000人而已培訓那現在我們改變方式跟28個大學合作所以基本上是3500是我們基本的拿到證照的目前有多少位 |
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目前才剛開始所以現在例如說我們四月開班第一班就16分鐘就秒殺所以目前很快的大概會同步的大概28個大學都會陸續的開課所以我們預計年底今年應該會有3500人對但過去完成培訓的呢過去大概總共加起來沒有本席來部長來你可以回答嗎過去完成培訓的人員有多少位 |
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部長來之前是環境部自己辦很努力的辦我們去年只有辦一千人部長來了以後改變方式就是結合二十八個大學一起來辦就是把這個量能提升所以我們以後每一年可以提升到三千五百人次不是 你剛講這個話跟部長剛講有什麼我現在後來是說完成培訓你不能把部長講的話再重新再講一遍 |
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去年就一千人一千人好那部長本席提出來方向我已肯定但本席提出來的用意其實是說培訓人數一回事產業有沒有用是一回事這一千人有多少人是投入到產業做相關的這個減碳或者是綠能工作 |
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有沒有追蹤我們部長來了以後我們今年跟104銀行合作一起做綠領人才的這個就業趨勢報告所以這個今年才開始開始進行所以我們那今年的第一班剛才講3500人這個今年第一班是4月26會開第一班所以這個以後我們會結合104這個調查報告一起把這些弄進去我們才會知道多少會受完訊以後會回到產業 |
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委員就是說我知道你的問題過去其實上完課我們不知道他的流向啦未來我會管理啦就如同說我們畢業生我們當然希望是說他上了我們的培育課程我們也真的編列預算也真的培養人才了人才要盡其流嘛人才要盡所用嘛所以說是不是真的能夠到這樣的一個相關行業而不是他拿到了證照結果他不是做這樣的工作 |
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培訓可能就浪費了我們也沒有真正媒合那尤其是我們目前有到底有多少的需求是需要這樣人才的現在在伊尼斯上面有兩萬兩千個工作機會可能年輕人所以如果說照你這樣子的推估其實3500位培訓完的應該都可以投入職場而且都是做相關工作嘛所以這也是本席講的有要做後續的追蹤 |
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讓我們投入的每一筆培訓的預算以及人才都能夠真真正正的進入到相關的行業是可以做後續追蹤可以沒問題好謝謝好謝謝洪孟凱委員 |