| IVOD_ID |
160294 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160294 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-36,15-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-17T09:37:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-17T09:47:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c2d17dc46794b9a49ebbd1eab8999843320d1b8aa55c960075aa7aeb25548b49e33ea871862e03655ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:37:32 - 09:47:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函請審議「國家海洋科技營運中心設置條例草案」案。
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主席 我們現在請副主委有請副主委委員早 |
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副主委早我們今天就這個國家海洋科技的營運中心設置條例我們要進行審查了那這個剛才前面幾位委員也大概針對這個我們的這個設置這樣子行政法人的相關的這些未來的權責等等有跟你進行過溝通那我這裡大概要請問就是說我們現在你能不能說明一下我們過去這樣子這麼多年 |
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我們現在為什麼我們海委會認為我們營運中心有設置的急迫性 |
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急迫性在哪裡?過去我們是怎麼做的?為什麼現在有急迫性?設置之後跟現在有哪些改變?主要是國海院有兩個中長城的計畫一個是國家船模實驗室的建造,一個是調查船一個是調查船,一個是船模實驗室這兩項功能我們現在還沒有國家營運中心我們現在沒有這樣的船模實驗室我們現在也沒有這樣的調查船那我們現在是怎麼做的? |
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我們目前的船模實驗沒有那麼完整就是在一些學校裡面有船模實驗但是我們這一次建造的更完整包括安奈海的性能水槽我們現在沒有營運這個國家的這個調查船那我們現在這些海洋資訊的這些調查是怎麼做的我們目前還是有像國科會的那個實驗院的還是有一些科研船但是我們這一次是全海域的基礎調查的這樣子的我們現在沒有做全海域的基礎調查嗎有但是還是會受到一些限制現在是怎麼做的 |
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現在沒有營運中心是怎麼做的你這個要講我們才知道說那為什麼設置現在要設置這個行政法人是必須的報告委員那現在的話就是有一些預算那由國海院在執行那像我們目前執行的一個方式通常就是以委辦的方式委辦對委辦的方式對事實上我們現在是委辦對是委辦的方式委誰辦現在大多數委誰辦 |
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有些是測量公司有些是學術單位國內的還是國際的國內的那如果說是屬於要租船的話那租船的話大概會有一些科業船也可以來租用那如果說是屬於一些測會的話有時候有一些是私人的一些測會公司那如果我們未來有這個調查船的話那海委會本身就可以發揮這樣子的一個功能我覺得這個要講這個我們要對外說明清楚為什麼我們現在要做這個船舶實驗室是重要的為什麼我們現在要做國家級的自己的這個全海域的調查船這個是重要的 |
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這個是重要的這個前提成立我們才要我們才來說那接下來這要怎麼營運要怎麼營運之後我們才說這營運到底我們是要用公部門來營運還是用行政法人來營運對不對所以這個部分這個要先講清楚那我們現在要成立這樣子的營運中心 |
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來看看其他國際的國家他們有沒有做我們現在目前沒有我們國家一直過去到現在一直沒有我們現在看看國外的這些例子包括美國美國他們有一個國家科學技術政策辦公室下面設了一個國家科學技術小組委員會所以美國他是用公部門來營運這些事情美國用公部門英國也是公部門 |
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英國他設置一個科學技術委員會下面設一個海洋科學協調委員會他還是屬於公部門那跟我們條件最接近 鄰近我們的日本日本他 |
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原本也是設立公部門,原本在1971年就設置了一個海洋科學技術中心但他們在2004年把這樣的公部門的海洋科學技術中心他們把它改成行政法人在2004年提早我們21年的時間設立了這樣的行政法人這個行政法人叫做海洋地球科學技術振興機構這樣的行政法人 |
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那所以這個我們也看剛剛在講這個急迫性我們現在看其他國家在日本他們的這些這樣子的大型的海洋調查船日本現在目前有幾艘你們知道嗎大型的有七艘大型的有七艘中國有幾艘中國的大概六十艘以上六十艘以上那我們台灣呢 |
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目前沒有嗎 台灣現在目前就是以科學服務的 科研服務的話有海野 國科會下面有4艘國科會下面有4艘 還有農業服務也有那我們現在急迫 我們現在在進行我們已經進行招標 現在在做的是幾噸的300 我們現在100噸 300 100跟300 未來還有4000未來有4000我現在 |
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這個部分我馬上跟你討論但我在這個之前我們回到前面的問題剛才其他委員也有問到啦齁我們現在有國海院剛剛很多人有關心我們現在目前的這個這個國海院跟我們的這個營運未來要設置的營運中心他的全責我看起來全責大致上是重疊真正特殊的就是船舶實驗室跟調查船的營運嘛對不對只有這兩個其他大部分是特殊那我想請問一下副主委我們現在這個我們目前的這個國海院 |
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他是我們海委會下屬的三級機關嗎?對,他的依據是什麼?海委會組織條例第幾條?國海院的組織法第幾條?第一條第一條的內容是什麼? |
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剛剛講你們海委會的組織法海委會組織法的這個第五條裡面本會之次級機關沒有國海沒有國海院只有兩個一個海巡署一個海洋保育署你現在講這個這個國家海洋研究院組織法的第一條他說海洋委員會為辦理海洋政策規劃海洋資源交入海洋沒有提到我們海委會啊 |
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海洋委員會未辦理所以他是我們的三級機關嗎是嗎我們一直都這樣定位我知道你們是這樣定位的但是我們的組織辦法是不是應該調整 |
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是那個報告委員喔我們在那個行政院主改以後齁只要是屬於70個局屬的部分他才會他的部會組織法會定說本部或本委員會所屬的次級機構是什麼什麼什麼什麼那麼因為海聯院他是屬於我們中央行政機關組織法上面的研究試驗等等的這些單位那這個部分在我們體系上先講到這裡啦齁這部分我認為我們的這個組織條例要要要應該要做調整啦齁這第一個第二個我們未來齁這個副主委 |
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我們現在剛剛有講到我們現在100噸跟300噸現在已經發包 已經招標 現在正在興建當中嘛那未來我們成立這個營運中心之後我們現在的這個包括它的招標 包括禮約執行都是由都是由這個國海院在做那未來它船舶完成之後它會用什麼方式來交到營運中心呢它會直接移交嗎 還是會委託還是由國海院委託行政法人來營運呢 |
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目前的一個方式可能會以無償借用的一個方式給用借用的對 無償借用的一個方式給行政法人借用給行政法人來營運來營運 對所以他未來他的這個權利還是在還是在海委會在海委會在海委會在監督 |
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借用也不是委託而是借用用借用的方式所有權還是掛在海委會這個很特別因為我看到現在我沒有看到說有所謂借用的方式來營運這部分我進一步了解我們營運的相關法規最後 |
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我們這個這個目前的這個條例齁我這樣隨便盤點齁我目前的條例草案裡面齁我隨便盤點就有就有大概有七項以上的法未來的這個相關授權的辦法就在我們的草案裡面這授權我們未來主管機關要訂定辦法就是說我們今天如果通過了這個通過了這個這個設置條例之後我們還有 |
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至少七樣以上我現在隨便盤點大概就有七條以上的授權授權我們還會為了要制定相關的辦法這些辦法制定好我們準備好了嗎我們來得及在明年八月八月之前完成嗎我們現在已經同步都在研擬了那我們這樣的體力也是參照其他的行政法人我知道我現在來得及嗎已經在研擬了已經在研擬了因為相當多了我們我看到規劃了 |
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有相關的組織設施條例裡面授權這麼多的定定辦法的條例並不多我們這個有至少7個條文以上授權你們制定辦法這部分我希望說你們能夠同步的來完成能夠趕上你們計畫中的明年8月的營運好不好好 謝謝委員 |