| IVOD_ID |
160293 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160293 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-36,15-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-17T09:29:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-17T09:37:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c2d17dc46794b9a4f68e0c61bf2da175320d1b8aa55c960075aa7aeb25548b49df1ef548a9eaff685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:29:11 - 09:37:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函請審議「國家海洋科技營運中心設置條例草案」案。
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謝謝主席 有請副主委請副主委副主委早今天提出這個海洋科技營運中心行政法人的設置條例草案在你們的書面報告裡面非常清楚的說它會涉及到本土關鍵核心技術的發展那為了要避免有關於國防機密相關的事情能夠 |
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不要洩露啦 不要到外國去其他的地方做實驗所以要發展這樣子的一個行政法人 這樣的理解沒有錯吧那按照這個行政法人啊 設置的規定這些行政法人禁用的人員有公務員服務法的適用嗎我們目前沒有 但是我們在未來會有一般查核跟特殊查核那所有禁止的人員都要經過查核 |
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我們回答問題具體明確就好了啦第一個沒有公務人員服務法的適用第二個你們在20條裡面有所謂安全查核的機制嗎分為一般查核跟特殊查核一般查核由誰來做機關內部會建立這個安全查核機制對一般查核由誰來做有哪一個部會來做啦 海委會 |
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那特殊查核有誰來做一樣是我們機關來做兩個都海委會自己做你們在設置這個辦法的時候有沒有參考國家自動安全研究院設置條例嘛有有有國家自動安全研究院的他一般查核誰做他們的一般查核是自己做特殊查核是監督機關做嘛 |
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阿基本的法條的構造要搞清楚嘛我看你們20條就是從這個地方來的嘛所以我現在才問你嘛阿你現在規範以後一般查核誰做我再給你一次機會再講一次一般查核誰做監督機關 |
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特殊查核誰做監督機關我們會跟國安單位這邊會再做進一步的一個協調我跟你說你如果是按照國家自通安全研究院來講一般查核是行政法人自己做特殊查核是監督機關做按照你們剛剛的回答未來這個海洋科技的研究中心一般查核跟特殊查核都是海委會要自己做是嗎確定嗎 |
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想清楚喔不要到時候相關的執法授權給你們送來立法院以後完全不是這麼回事再給你們一次機會一般查核是不是韓委會做一般沒有 韓委會啦 |
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對 一般查核是海委會然後特殊查核也是海委會特殊查核海委會還有我們會跟國安單位再進一步來製作所以你們現在要走的道路跟國家志同安全研究院人員安全查核辦法就不一樣是嗎我們會更嚴格啦更嚴格會更嚴格好 那你們就特殊查核的事項列了哪些特殊查核的事項出來沒有 |
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我們現在正在嚴定當中有一個草案國家自動安全研究院裡面特殊查核的事項包不包括你們未來要放在特殊查核的事項裡面有應該都有嘛我要提醒你們注意的事情是說國家自動安全研究院本來設置了這個辦法他已經有問題了啦他交給數位部去做特殊安全查核我看完他特殊安全查核的事項以後我完全看不懂 |
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數位部有能力自己做嗎你是不是曾經在動員勘亂時期終止後跟內亂外患經判決確定或通緝有案尚未結案者有密切聯繫有密切聯繫的數位部有辦法自己做我看就不可能吧 |
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我看就不可能嘛因為現在喔你們要求的授權範圍20條的規定喔是全部交給你們讓你們自己去訂執法所以我就很擔心啊你們訂的執法能不能用規範的密度夠不夠因為這是你們自己講的嘛會牽涉到國家機密的機敏資訊嘛不要到時候執法授權給你們規範有問題 |
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查核的密度有問題搞了一堆應該要接受特殊查核的沒有接受特殊查核成為共諜滲透的破口這件事情海委會授權給你們真的有信心做好嗎還是我們在立法階段的時候應該要考慮把你們20條的規定提升到法律的層次來弄 |
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現在韓委會的立場是希望授權給你們你們會負全責還是希望本院在修法的時候把他拉到法律的層面上來請副主委報告委員我們還是希望授權的方式韓委會絕對會把關好所以如果授權給你們到時候沒有做好誰要負責韓委會會負責好非常的好第二個我要提醒你們的事情喔是我一直在追蹤啊我的國軍弟兄的防彈背心啊 |
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過去這幾年一堆不肖的廠商在得標從中國進不合格的抗彈纖維部來做我們國軍弟兄的抗彈背心這我看不下去啦自我們國軍弟兄的安危與不顧韓委會也有針對抗彈背心辦招標對不對是嘛 最近是得標是哪一家公司 |
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這部分的廢貨我再跟委員報告來 我秀給你看這是公開資訊啦就是連站嘛 是吧這個是公開資訊啦 這個不是國家機密啦我在政府採購網上面就看到啦是不是連站公司是吧 是是嘛 這家公司有沒有問題都經過政府採購法依規定得標的來來來 我秀給你看啦 |
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這個喔 沒有得標的廠商 公衛跟聯戰 之前在其他的抗彈背心的時候啊已經因為違標啊 被起訴啦 還被停權啦當然他在起訴跟停權以前 剛好在你們得標以後 差一個月 |
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差一個月但是這個會讓我很擔心啊這兩家在調查局那邊為標的公司又跑到海委會那邊兩家同時出現結果又是連戰得標這件事情啊海委會或者是海巡署有沒有下去了解這部分的話我們政風單位在招聘的時候都有參與這個我們會持續關注 |
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我最後講一件事喔 不僅僅是持續關注 請特別關注為什麼我會講這件事情啊 因為這家聯戰公司啊 他不是只有微標喔他之前在其他針對有關於我們國防部的抗彈背心的時候他的供應商 他的供應商從哪裡進步啊從中華人民共和國進步啊列職啊 |
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被找到啦現在我在擔心的是什麼擔心的是你們海巡署給我們海巡弟兄的那一批啊 抗彈背心是不是有一樣的問題啊這件事情海巡署下去把關 |
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查清楚好不好包委員我們一定會嚴格保管我們規範也有規定不可以有紅色供應鏈所以這個在國防部也有這個規定嘛就有紅色供應鏈了嘛又同一個廠商嘛所以我今天才善意的來提醒你們回去了解清楚一個禮拜之內給我書面報告可不可以可以好 謝謝 |