| IVOD_ID |
160264 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160264 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T12:40:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T12:45:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279df32cd779af693b2a8a3fd8a5ba555e8251a52cf64e50924c0e8a977c2421e346e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:40:37 - 12:45:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、農業部及公平交易委員會就「防範中國大陸產品低價傾銷及透過台灣洗產地問題之因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請財政部部長是 財政部部長備詢委員好部長 我接到任何檢舉我都很謹慎我之前接到一個檢舉說我們公股房戶的董作 詐領公款拿公關費 採購餐券給家人用買營養品 買紙尿布 |
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因為這個檢舉的內容太匪夷所思了因為我們工股行庫的董事長待遇應該不錯怎麼會拿公關費去搞這種事情但是任何人跟我提檢舉我就必須要處理所以我開始下去追我發現土銀的公關費每年大概2800萬當然就工股行庫來講你有時候要去處理一些公關的事情我沒什麼意見 |
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那董事長個人花的大概就百餘萬到兩百餘萬之間我把這些數字全部都調出來然後我進一步就請你們轉公股行庫說他是不是真的有這樣子的狀況請你們把他公關費到底怎麼花的細目交上來給我結果你們交上來就給我這麼籠統的東西那我進一步要求更細的資訊的時候土銀就不提供 |
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土銀不提供,那我沒有辦法那我接下來就請審計部去查因為我不會輕易放棄的結果審計部查出來的確是買公關費去買高檔飯店的餐券然後沒有宴客的資料然後拿公關費去買營養品買嬰兒用品那顯然人家當初的檢舉全部都是有所本這件事情財政部知不知道 |
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委員 之前的一個檢舉案我們有看到然後也請土銀去做調查是那所以調查的結果是什麼是查無此事是嗎調查的結果基本有一些是有但是有一些並沒有這樣一個情形譬如說我記得這個事情哪一些有哪一些沒有要不我記得是沒有並沒有這個情況因為我現在手上沒有照不可能記得到那麼細的一個事情是沒有關係今天國庫署的有來嗎 |
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有事的我們署長有來國庫署知道這件事嗎部長記不清楚這我可以理解因為部長要處理的事情很多這個是國庫署的業務吧因為土銀是百分之百的國營事業所以這個應該是我們政風處收穩的所以是政風是直接處理沒有到國庫署是不是是由政風處他會交給土銀的政風來做調查是 |
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那現在調查結果出來了嗎?調查結果我是有看到對那你們調查結果出來以後接下來做了什麼處理?第一個有一些部分其實並不是事實他們調查結果譬如說像尿布這些等等那有一些譬如說他還有檢舉一些譬如說他的父親什麼住院的時候什麼的一些很靈細的一個事情等等那基本上並沒有看出他有相關違規的一個情況 |
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那奇怪了怎麼你們政風處查的跟審計部查出來的東西完全不一致是你們的標準比較寬鬆嗎我們有關公關費的使用像土銀它內規都有相關的規定的對啊 但問題現在重點就是有遵守規定嗎所以依照財政部的標準現在是有遵守規定喔這個部分經過政風處的調查過了 是的對啊 但我現在就跟你講啊審計部調查出來的結果就不是這樣啊 |
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那審計部調查的結果我們是不是我回去再給他調出來看一下因為我審計部調查的結果我沒有我只有一個要求啦因為這件事情我如果沒有處理的話檢舉的人會覺得我好像跟被檢舉的對象有什麼特殊關係啊是不是不敢問啊不敢處理這件事啊但是我花了相當的時間啊去查這件事情以後發現人家檢舉就有鎖本嘛 |
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人家不是亂講的嘛那你今天跟我講說你們的結果覺得沒有什麼問題但我看審計部的報告就不是這個樣子沒有關係我給部長我給你時間回去了解一個禮拜之內給我回覆那同時告訴我說財政部作為公股的管理機關這件事情打算要怎麼辦 |
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是要認真追查還是這樣就算了可以嗎可以啊好 謝謝可是黃國昌委員那個你查的是新的董事長還是舊的董事長舊的董事長舊的董事長記錄全部都在OK OK |