| IVOD_ID |
160232 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160232 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T10:58:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T11:09:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279dff6cdca1932235a4203e1353dd96d4caaebda33721556222abe1ab5d36ae375a25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:58:29 - 11:09:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請客家委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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主席,有請谷主委。好,請出席。主委好。你好。 |
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現在一個立法院小學堂的考試請秀第一張投影片我們去年在審查今年總預算的時候我們在內政委員會內政委員會的提案表 |
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主委他會等於是最後的決議嗎所以我在這裡凍結該項預算4億元最後改成怎麼樣 |
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現在的改組決議在報告中作出對立報告是作出對立,好那我想這個應該不是客委會刻意流出去給很多的網軍策略,不是嗎?沒有,沒有,沒有,現在應該會有更快的諮詢所以我今天這個 |
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立法院小學堂就是希望讓很多的年輕人關心立法院非常好但是要了解真相不要拿提案表 |
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就拿來說這個是決議好不好我先跟她說我先問她我先問她等一下要不要過去決議以前要出席 她跟妳說沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有 |
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今年二月開始他拿的所以這早就改了啦可能因為他浪費我時間去嘛不是 還蠻改的部分啦他剛才怎麼說啦你用不安定喔 我在找他沒有啦我用不安定在推敲啦因為那時間有落差嘛那拿走的就是原始版啦那沒關係嘛 你現在澄清了嘛提案不等於決議嘛對 而且最後是改組決議只要報告 對不對 |
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結果結論是這樣結論是這樣,但是前前後後那先不美啊那再來講有意義嗎?譬如說今年2月、3月、4月到現在講凍結事宜有意義嗎?還是有意義,因為這是一個過程不是過程,它是一直講現在被凍結事宜喔,然後之後是3.6月後啊 |
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我現在在講這個案你浪費我很多時間我在講這個案你不要再去講到業務費我在講這個案有凍結事宜嗎最後的結論目前時候提報告提報告沒有凍結那你為什麼不講你就講一下沒有凍結我有凍結事宜嗎你現在再答覆我一次 |
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主決意就沒有動結的那個,你真的搞不懂,連你都搞不懂經同意後,使得動之 |
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沒有啦 凍結預算4億就劃掉啦所以沒有凍結 摸凍結 摸凍結你看 你知道主委 一個主委對這個提案都 你看 用了我三分多鐘了好 接下來 接下來 我想 |
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我們客語的傳承還有客家文化的傳承剛剛我們張宏祿召委講得非常好他有說錢要花在刀口上 |
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但是我們也非常肯定客核會長期以來做了很多客語推廣的努力包含網路有多元課程包含客語的認證辦了很多翻譯世界名著還有培訓了很多公開宣講員這個都做了很多沒錯但是我們看到的是這個數量就是 |
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這個成果用這樣子的量化可是輕忽了它的品質跟我們的最終的目的是要推廣客語所以客語它是一種語言就跟我們不管學台語還是學英語一樣那需要的是環境我想主委你認同吧你只要講認同不認同就是說語言它需要的是環境而且是盡量要融入在生活中您認同嗎 |
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我的念頭,我念頭,但是要反經,那不是一間人建立下來的對,我知道,當然當然,我沒有說,我沒有再往下講,還沒往下講啦所以呢,我們在這邊希望建議就是說,你量化的指標,是不是可以轉化成客語在日常生活中的使用 |
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就是說你們做了那麼多但是是不是接下來包括今年的預算開始使用的時候你要讓課宇怎麼樣可以真正在每個區塊每個區塊我們在每個區塊每個區塊你慢慢的從一個區塊譬如說南部 |
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南部他比較少客家莊但是有客家莊的地方客家人的地方你讓他一個區塊把讓這個客語可以慢慢的成為生活然後擴散就像我會哼人但是呢喉嚨會我會哼的詩啦但東東你哼什麼你會哼什麼啦 |
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所以我們應該讓這個克魚的這種生活上的應用更多還有包含我們這個這麼多量化的指標大家你在報告中也一直寫然後每年我們也花了很多的預算那我們有沒有促進跨世代的自然傳承 |
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也就是說要一代一代傳下去那還有就是說我們課語考試認證通過了那是否有代表他在市場在家庭在鄰里之間呢大家可以很自然的用課語來溝通甚至讓更多的人他可能不一定很會講但他已經都聽得懂課語或是可以聽得懂一半 |
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或者是他講得出幾句客語其實就像我對台語我都聽得懂然後我可以講部分我沒辦法講得很認真對台語但是我聽得懂我可以跟人家溝通那我要講的話我就講幾句我還可以叫我全部講我又沒辦法所以我們的客語可不可以朝向這方面我們來推廣的好一點 |
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當然圖羅維研所說的沒有錯,其實我們說的額度要罰錢,我妹妹預算不拿所以他又一點錢又散了你一直要強調這個經費,那我覺得我們現在在談預算很多人談預算的人他沒有關心你真正課宇的傳承 |
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所以主委你不要落入那個我們客家人我們都是客家人其實所有的政治人物包括所有的這些網軍側翼他要來喊喊喊喊到最後我們自己客家人要知道我的客語是不是真的在地方有推廣是不是在台灣客語跟客家文化是保存下來的怎麼說啊怎麼說啊 同山勾腿灣啦齁沒搬兩千啦什麼三萬 |
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岡山岡天啦所以因為他剛剛的進行時期三萬打平啦沒辦兩千啦走得一直傳承下來所以客委會的預算客委會預算每年也增加所以不要老是用這種意識形態好不好我現在講不然你生命有什麼用不然你生命有什麼用不然你生命有什麼用不然你生命有什麼用不然你生命有什麼用不然你生命有什麼用不然你生命有什麼用 |
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520.58 |
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我們現在課餘 我們花了那麼多錢我們要知道 陸續要喊不勞拜 永遠不夠啦不勞拜 因為你那個負責人 過困難 你會困難你們在報告裡面 你要發客家幣客家幣 你要發一千塊 發四十萬人 等於花四億 |
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542.25 |
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559.864 |
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人家文化幣文化幣是給年輕人的成人禮客家幣發給18到20歲的年輕人你這是什麼理由我沒有反對我應該先講我支持客家預算但是我更支持是我們所有的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
560.845 |
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580.2 |
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假設別人有更好的成果比你用少的錢或用跟你一樣的錢他有更好的成果你不要一直喊我錢要多然後都不去看成果我們要強調的是你成果要出來所以你花這個4億的客家幣你先說這個是什麼禮人家文化幣是成年禮你是什麼禮 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
580.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
580.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
通過特意認證的你不要給他抽籤 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
603.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
627.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
通過客語認證你就每個人發他一千塊我建議這第一個第二個預計發放四十萬客家幣你卻只有預估三十二萬人前往客庄人家發一千塊一個人就會帶一家人或帶兩三個朋友前往你發了四十萬客家幣一人一千四十萬人結果只預計三十二人次前往 |
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628.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
630.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我們要看有限的錢我們怎麼做得最好但是我全力支持客家預算好不好你現在你就說嘛我給你4億發客家幣 |
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656.087 |
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673.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
你既然40萬人,你只預計32萬人前往,這不太誇張了報告裡寫的啊,本案估計帶動你預估就估太少了啦,我知道,你前面浪費了我很多時間,謝謝 |