| IVOD_ID |
160199 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160199 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T10:30:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T10:43:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279df32d630f67830a158a3fd8a5ba555e825d146475ae9ed72cd77c192756c22988b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:30:02 - 10:43:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、農業部及公平交易委員會就「防範中國大陸產品低價傾銷及透過台灣洗產地問題之因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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請鍾嘉斌委員質詢主席 在黨委員先進列席的政府機關事務長 官員 會長 工作夥伴 媒體 記者 女士先生有請財政部莊部長 經濟部跟農業部的江次長和杜次長是 三位長官 |
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委員好部長好 兩位次長好小時候聽過一個說法 說媽媽總是疼愛兒子有一個阿婆 我講台語應該聽得懂她一個兒子呢 大兒子呢 在擺地攤小兒子呢 在賣雨傘她每天都愁眉苦臉人家問她為什麼 她說喔好天我就歡樂我們的小孩子負責不出去了阿樂好天我就我們的大兒子負責擺地攤 |
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那人家說你要轉念啊你要說天氣好的話你要想那個擺地攤的生意好啊萬一下了雨呢賣雨傘了有人買啊部長你會怎麼想謝謝委員我想委員的意思就是說其實我們對於任何來的一個變化其實國際政經情勢的變化是一直存在的也就是說面對變化的時候我們就要正面的來回應你這樣回答好像我在星海羅盤啊我剛問的就是說關稅到底是出口影響還是進口影響我們現在搞不清楚啊來我們看一下 |
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高關稅暫緩 結果呢 誒 本來柯基業本來擔心會被課稅啊 現在出貨潮啊 有沒有搶單啊 要搶船有沒有這種情況90天嘛 趕快把貨出一出不曉得90天後會不會提高關稅嘛 部長是不是這樣那我們屏東的農業廠也是這樣子啊剛剛那個人擔心南華賣不出去我們還擔心我們的鬼頭掏出不去啊現在是怎樣 誒 搞不好可以跟我們買多一點 要金融支持部長 是不是這樣子 |
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金融支持所以金融支持下一頁台灣做個產業資金需求大增啊你看看本來超關稅暫停訂單又說呢哎呀大量訂單湧入暫緩90天於是要採購原料產能全開需不需要資金是需要的那好我的問題很快來請下一頁政府已經掌握台灣各產業受美國對等關稅展延90天的影響現況以及各產業資金緊急需求能夠及時到位有沒有把錢子彈銀彈準備好了 |
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如果他擴大融資能來得及嗎我想跟委員報告這個部分對於各產業的影響我們都一直在關注而且也跟他們座談那對於資金的部分都會準備好了也都會準備是880億本來是又遇到什麼出口出不去的他訂單被取消他的融資會斷現在是怎樣他搶單要趕快有錢去買貨是不是這樣 |
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好那我們來看一下齁其實呢我們來看其實目前呢我們來看到嚴防中國製品透過供應鏈從台灣銷美國美國都在防啊現在美國跟中國的145%他不能進來很擔心透過台灣再過去是不是這樣子所以今天都問西產業的事情嘛 |
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好 那我們來看過去怎麼做 來川普1.0之前 在18年之前台灣怎樣 台灣有關鍵領主権利用中國東南沿海的其他的領主権和他內地的便宜的勞動力然後呢 消旺美國 是不是這樣 |
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但是川普1.0之後呢開始調整了首先台灣 越南就起來了越南有便宜的勞動力但是在我們的半導體電子產業的部分昆山 蘇州 上海這邊的生態系很難把零組件移過來所以用貨運的方式到越南關鍵零組件從台灣去然後在越南組成後出口到美國這是這幾年發生的情況但是台灣有因應啊台灣因應了嘛自貿港 |
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自貿港是叫境內關外 什麼意思江市長 什麼意思 自貿港 |
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也就是在自貿港區因為他沒有進入到台灣本島所以他直接在自貿港區進行相關的加工是的 剛剛有那個我們吳秉樂委員問到說你看2024年兩岸海運直航貴量300萬破新高欸大量的中國來的貨物來到我們的自貿區然後呢 加值35%就成為是台灣出口的到美國這就是自貿港啊 |
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美國防不防 防啊 我們來看一下 |
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我們桃園航空智慧貿易區智貿區2024年3兆貿易值桃園貢獻2.4兆但是裡面還有電子 生醫 自行車2025年還要成立一個智慧車輛園區但是它這裡面有提到什麼經濟部在過去根據智慧港的條例16條歐盟 英國 美國的自行車電腐自行車 鋁製輪胎框部分的鋼鐵產品要先核准 |
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本來自貿區你怎麼來我不管你嘛我加值35%之後我就銷美國嘛為什麼這些東西要先告訴我因為對方要知道啊你們到底這些是台灣自己做的還是從中國來的是不是市長自貿區是不是人家也在防跟委員說明喔我們現在對於自行車還有工具機需要說我的問題是自貿區人家是不是也在防你是是也要防嘛好所以川普2.0怎麼樣呢川普2.0這套自貿港啊 |
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他沒有用了剛剛那個吳委員問得很清楚了他現在直接只要你的成分超過3成5是中國的就是中國的越南也麻煩了越南如果用中國的零組件加上勞動力台灣的關鍵再銷往美國也被擋所以變成什麼川普2.0未來怎樣會要在台灣可能要找到其他像菲律賓零組件跟勞動力充沛的地方將關鍵零存送過去再銷往美國 |
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江市長 這就是郭部長的境外觀內 是不是這樣子是的好 很清楚喔 來所以我們請杜市長那一天呢 近幾天 葛奎帶著我們陳部長去他說毛豆 毛豆就是那個阿伯阿伯是賣雨傘那邊擺地攤的小孩啊 |
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本來我們台灣的毛豆一半是出口一半是內用出口的部分七成到日本品質高的 細的一半的到美國現在美國跟中國開始打仗了所以我們的毛豆一樣可以銷美國但是你知道嗎美國市場進口毛豆最多從哪個國家進口中國對 |
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中國毛豆不能來了,美國是不是需要更多的台灣毛豆?但是中國的毛豆不能進美國,他會去哪裡?他會去日本。所以我們部長說什麼?我們要保護日本,變成美國,美國的市場要保護,但是日本的市場要保護住。所以我們貿易的關稅會有這樣的變化,我們看下一頁。 |
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所以剛剛舉到的境外關內有沒有可能台灣的主陪苗利用菲律賓在他的自貿區然後呢他的土地他的氣候的條件我們出口到日本其實這個是什麼在解決賴委員的問題啊蘭花蘭花如果我們到關稅要提高10%那有沒有可能菲律賓的關稅要低我們到菲律賓去做自貿區的轉運你同意嗎 |
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不放棄任何機會不放棄任何機會講得很好表示我也同意也不同意看看可能再說好我們往下一頁看我現在講一個部長講一個中小型的運載火箭我們屏東九鵬現在列為國家的火箭發展場址現在火箭做什麼用呢火箭不是打飛彈而已火箭打低軌道的通訊衛星 |
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SPEX的火箭一次可以載143顆的衛星它等於是團客要佈建一個衛星通訊網要一個SPEX但是台灣是中小型的火箭像什麼 像小黃如果你要換更新 換壞修的要重所以部長你來想像一下如果台灣未來我們有很多的訂單要我們幫它發射運送到衛星到空中我們需不需要進口大量的火箭 |
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那你覺得火箭可以跟誰買?跟誰買?那我覺得我們可以找這方面比較專精的國家買其實航太產業是美國到目前的出口大象過去我們只會想要跟他買波音載我們的國際旅客現在想辦法去跟他買火箭或者說火箭的關鍵的像火箭引擎用來服務那些低軌通訊衛星需要在台灣來運載的 |
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所以航運的市場不是只有貨運,不是只有民用航空,還有什麼?太空,再往下看。所以我們現在思考的是說,如果我們現在還在談洗產地,那只是眼前。最好的方式是怎樣?要瞄準產業未來的需求,提高台灣在這個產業的佈局。川普說什麼?川普說美國要再工業化。 |
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部長你認為川普再工業化的意思是說汽車回美國製造 造船回美國製造美國從過去不知道的球鞋 球拍都有美國製造 是這個意思嗎當然他也希望製造業能夠回流到美國他的再工業化他只挑好的啦中高階的回美國 留在美國中低階的其他的有案發包啊 |
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所以我們台灣能夠要繼續承接運動鞋、紡織品、自行車、筆電嗎?沒有我們要跟美國爭取一個他所謂的中高階的有岸分工就是你 |
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波音客機有沒有可能有些領土建造這邊生產又或者說我要需要很多的中小型的運載火箭你的火箭引擎賣給我我跟你分工或者無人機產業無人機產業史神等級最高那是軍用級的美國不會讓出去 |
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但是像大疆中國的大疆那種中低階的無人機他當然希望你台灣能夠接下來我美國需要的時候我跟你中低階的跟你無人機跟你台灣買我不需要跟中國買部長你同不同意這樣的說法是的所以呢未來的產業需求需要資金能力土地跟貢獻好像下一頁所以有沒有評估好我們未來產業需求拟據台灣產業全球市佔率的方案次長兩位次長你們有沒有回去跟你們部長講是不是要評估這個 |
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是的 我們已經在進行評估我們也希望往高科技等等相關的產業發展好 那杜市長您呢 農業部呢是 就農業永續一定要做這樣子的評估好 那部長 莊部長這裡面的資金 人才 土地跟公共建設五缺財政部要負責什麼我下面舉一個例子這是一個台灣的離岸風機 |
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他要本土化 策略上本土化所以呢 這些來台灣幫我們做離岸風機的他都要跟本土的一些 譬如說水下基礎 他要跟他合作那麼因此台灣這幾年呢 除了海事工程團之外我們水下基礎做的四季鋼之外 還有其他的公司都在做他們趕快興建廠房 希望承接這樣的一個訂單他是需要融資但是現在 廠房不是馬上可以蓋好 |
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銀行說你要有合約要有人跟你買水價基礎我才跟你放款結果廠商說你的廠房還沒蓋好我不能給你訂單那這時候卡在什麼那融資是要幫助誰如果這時候融資不給 |
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他廠房蓋不下去 這樣拿不到訂單 雞生蛋誕生雞所以有沒有發現到這個問題當我們要佈局未來的產業的時候這些新興的產業最需要的是什麼金融的支持 部長你同意嗎我覺得金融支持是有必要同時我們會透過這個所謂的信用保證的機制讓銀行可以更有一個風險的分擔信保機制目前在國 |
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發會那邊有個國發基金有信保的機制那麼那評估哪些產業要納入信保請財政部跟國發要密切聯繫好不好是的好最後三點訴求不好意思主席第一請財政部因應台灣產業受美國對等關稅影響短期融資的資金需求的方案提出來可以嗎 |
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是好請農業部跟經濟部說就在台的中在中的台商他撤出中國的中國之外後去進駐我們境外關內園區的輔導方案趕快去想既然你想搞一個境外關內那麼從中國撤出來台商怎麼輔導他們去要趕快準備江市長可以嗎可以都市長也想一下嗎是最後 |
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請三個部會去想一下在全球去中供應鏈的重組之下台灣的產業升級以及擴產在訂單跟合約尚未明確的時候它的融資的需求的解決方案可能經濟部跟農業部要提出你們要輔導的業者他們的需求然後請財政部幫忙可以嗎是的好 謝謝好 謝謝嘉賓 |