| IVOD_ID |
16019 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16019 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第18次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第18次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-18T08:30:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-18T17:51:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
09:20:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第18次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。
二、6月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、6月18日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:15 - 17:51:00 |
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報告院會現在繼續開會,對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。在進行質詢之前,先請秘書長報告部會所長請假請行。 |
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現在請廖委員為詳質詢。 |
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謝謝主席有請我們行政院長卓院長請卓院長備詢院長好院長謝謝你這個第一個建設不分藍綠所以本席也要謝謝中央在今年的年初合訂了這個我們台中的捷運藍線的綜合規劃 |
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那除了藍線之外呢現在我們的局線的可行性研究也在審議中那過去的經驗也顯示越晚開工整體的經費就越貴所以那個局線的部分呢也要請院長和部長不僅要多多支持也要更要盡速的核定我們的捷運局線那在我們的另外捷運藍線的部分呢上個月台中市政府也已經將這個藍線的基本設計審議送到我們交通部那 |
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澄報給交通部審查這部分也要請我們交通部跟工程會多多協助希望可以盡速審查通過那當然這幾年的物價漲、飛漲喔也影響到整個工程的物料上漲所以未來除了這個工物料的經費要何時調整之外也要請行政院在經費方面多多給予補助喔希望我們臺中很期待的這個軌道建設尤其是我們藍線捷運可以盡速的動工那麼另外 |
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也要跟這個因應中科二期的部分呢中科二期擴建這個跟台積電的設廠將帶來地方的交通衝擊其實在這個日本的案例熊本那邊的案例也可以看到這個台積電入住之後擴廠之後 |
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這個其實周邊的交通衝擊是很大的所以本席也一直爭取這個漢祥路延伸到這個從環中路延伸到東大路也就是西屯計劃替代道路的40米之四的部分的新建工程跟福林路的開闢工程感謝國土署也在今年的4月中合併通過但是我覺得接下來才是挑戰的開始因為這幾項工程都會遇到問題就是缺工跟用地費過高的這兩個問題那我想缺工就會造成 |
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希望配合拓寬到40米 |
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現在高工局也剛完成這個可行性評估發包那在這個40米之四的工程跟高工局寒凍工程是連動的所以為了避免施工日期的這個分散造成民眾不便本席也希望邀請我們高工局跟我們台中市政府的建設局跟相關的單位互相配合以讓我們的工程能夠順利然後也讓工期可以縮短所以這幾個部分要先拜託一下我們的院長跟我們的部長們 |
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再來另外一個問題就是剛剛用地費的問題所以本席剛剛提到40米之四這個西屯路計畫替代道路的部分這總工程經費大概是73億8400萬那光是用地費的部分就快要40億了超過整體經費一半以上但是目前按照我們國土署這個生活圈的計畫 |
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只補助了用地費的3.5億所以臺中市政府光這用地費的自籌的部分他就要高達36億3400萬那另外在福林路延伸的部分呢還就是中央這個用地費是19.78億那當然也扣除各部這個各補助的用地費的3.5億其實這兩個加起來的缺口對地方來講的財政負擔光這個用地費的部分就高達52.62億 |
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所以我想要講的事情是這個部分這兩個很重要的交通工程是配合中央政府的國家發展那這個費用也是有點高卻讓地方政府負擔很高的這個用地的費用我想這對地方政府來講是一個龐大的支出並且這兩岸也都是為了配合我們國家發展的政策所以這個中科二期的建設跟我們的台積電的擴廠 |
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本席之前也有請國科會想辦法看可不可以配合協助從中找到更多的經費來協助但是國科會卻兩手一攤表達說無能為力所以剛剛提到的這兩項工程這幾案的用地費我在想在這裡想要拜託我們的院長跟部長們是不是可以分別跨部會想辦法找到經費來專案給予補助呢 |
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謝謝委員也感謝委員的理解中央跟地方的關係就是這樣子地方有需要我們在均衡臺灣橫平在地希望的這個理念之下我們會朝互利的方向去做更多的努力那剛剛提到這兩項一項是內政部的這個生活圈道路建設那一項是交通部的 |
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這兩個部會他都有跟地方補助地方相關經費的一些補助的程序跟中央地方應該這個負擔的比例原則那這個都應該在我們過去的體制當中跟法規裡面所以也請委員能夠詳細的跟部會去做了解那我今天是不是請 |
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交通部先聊先讓委員報告不好意思院長我知道這些就是我都了解過後我才剛剛把這些數字講出來目前中央補助的部分那現在的狀況跟對現在有新的補助的狀況嗎?剛剛委員提到的包括藍線的部分那那個已經核定那現在就是他還要針對台灣大道在沙路那邊那個路橋的形式已經有報到院那我們會盡速來把他這個原則做一個敲定去確定 |
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﹚國土署﹚ |
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謝謝部長我先在這裡打斷了因為我大概都知道你們現在講的狀況那所以我今天的主要訴求就是當然這個剛剛的捷運競速的核定或是競速動工那另外就是我剛剛說的漢祥路 |
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這個部分真的對地方的財政負擔過大這個部分還是希望院長看可不可以想辦法找到專案補助的方式因為畢竟他是配合主要台積電這1.4奈米廠的先進製程的進駐對於我們國家競爭力而且相關的用水用電其實台中市政府也是全力在協助所以這個部分之前行政院有專案補助的案例這個部分想要再特別的拜託我們的卓院長可以再想辦法來幫我們多補助一些不然這個用地費真的太高了那最後再來就是一個 |
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我們都市新興快速的這個成長區的學生就學的問題那在本席的這個選區中南屯區的西西地區因為人口快速成長所以我們有規劃了一個文中五二也就是文三國中那上個禮拜五也已經動工了可是過去在111年的時候其實地方政府有報教育部爭取補助反正種種原因後來是沒有獲得補助所以第一期的工程是由台中市政府全權的負擔自籌 |
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但是呢未來也有第二期的這個校舍跟運動場的設置的需要所以這部分也要請院長看是不是可以請我們教育部協助依照這個新興人口成長區的公立高級中學學校以下的學校宿舍興建工程計畫的補助比率來補助一半的經費這樣那這個部分我也要跟您報告雖然說現在可能還沒有到送到我們教育部可是我也是想要提前為我們地方的學子和地方的家長們發聲因為他們 |
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已經都在講這件事情希望我們可以中央可以幫忙補助 |
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教育部所辦理的這個新興人口成長區公立高中以下學校校舍的新建或增建的計畫對台中已經有相當補助據我所知道的了解已經有四所學校已經接受到補助那至於委員所提到的這個部分這個個案再請教育部來說明對謝謝委員的關心這個新興人口的一個區域的一個學生跟校舍的一個聯動關係 |
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目前已經這一個臺中這四所新興的一個學校校舍總共有補助了合定的12億2000多萬那補助了6億1000多萬然後這一個總共有新建的教室大概有218間 |
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好,部長沒關係 |
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再來院長還有我們的經濟部國部長這個地方也是我們地方很重要的建設就是高壓電塔地下化也是形塑我們城市的這個意向跟城市景觀非常重要的一塊但是更重要的是也有許多國人對於高壓電塔的電磁波有很嚴重的健康的疑慮那在我們這個發展區域也在剛剛文山國中那邊其實那裡有8支高壓電塔那它距離社區和距離學校都非常的近 |
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雖然這個高壓電塔地下化是一個大工程可是其實過去都有成功的部分包含台中的大里、新北蘆洲或是桃園憑證區都有那尤其是現在其實台電也說這個技術上是沒有問題那現在唯一的問題就是經費 |
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要8億的經費,這8支加起來大約要8億的經費。目前台電的要求是跟地方政府各出一半,一樣對地方政府的負擔來講非常沉重,導致這個工程其實我們地方上已經講了非常久。而且尤其是現在那邊的建築越蓋越近,租戶非常的多。所以院長我在這邊要請你,拜託你是不是也可以 |
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則請我們的經濟部跟臺電就經費的部分再研議呢?因為我也有看到臺電在2022年有提出一個5645億的10年電網強韌計畫就是希望這個就地發電就近使用然後杜絕大規模的這個停電再發生 |
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所以我想這個高壓電塔這個地下化尤其是在這個人口很稠密的地方我想它其實地下化也有助於這個剛剛所謂的不管是小動物或是一些其他外力導致的停電所以也想要請院長和部長是不是可以把我們這個南屯高壓電塔地下化的這個騎乘和這個工程可不可以考慮把它放進我們電網強韌計畫中這樣這個工程可以早日的實施然後也還給我們鄉親我們地方一個乾淨的天空並且降低民眾對於健康的疑慮 |
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好謝謝委員提到臺電始終將電網的韌性的強化當作未來重要的工作尤其未來10年變了5000多億那這個一定會持續的落實下去因為只有這樣做才不會到處跳電變成家裡沒電所以強韌電網的這個工作一定要做到但是這個一定要分區域分階段來進行好那至於說這個南屯區嶺東高壓電塔的這個 |
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目前有沒有納入到整個第一期或是未來期責的計畫裡面我請部長來說明一下報告委員這個南屯的這個高壓電塔就是本來沒有納入這個台電公司的強化電網的這樣的一個計畫也沒有在這個預算裡面 |
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但是好像在這個之前委員有提出來嘛,所以我們臺電公司就有跟這個臺中市政府來研商,因為這個提出來一定要臺中市政府或者是當地的這個使用戶提出來這個需求啦,所以我們現在有在談這個還在繼續在談這個費用的分布。 |
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好,謝謝部長所以我們希望說這個部分要再請院長跟部長多多的幫忙協助看可不可以納入這個電網強韌電網計畫這對地方上的人民來講是非常重要的一件事情那在這裡再次拜託好,再來我要講的是這個來,就是為了落實我們這個社宅可負擔的精神其實2021年的社宅法我們的社宅的這個租金由地方 |
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自定改為中央主管機關因斟酌成豬者的所得狀況負擔能力跟市場行情訂定分級收費的原則由主管機關訂定之。但是目前這個修法至今已經兩年了,那內政部作為這個中央主管機關卻沒有訂定,為什麼呢? |
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謝謝委員的關心。我想設宅的租金,我們未來在訂定的時候不是所謂的一市兩制,而是說我們要依據,譬如說委員所在的地方是台中市,那按照台中市目前在房屋租金市場上面的這個比例原則來做處理。譬如說對於社會弱勢或經濟弱勢,我們就以低收入戶或是中低收入戶一般行情上面的三折到五折來做計價。 |
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謝謝部長對,我跟您說一下因為目前現實的狀況是這樣在台北市、新北市、桃園他們都是採用這個依所得設定分級租金你剛剛說的有點像是身份 |
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那中央的部分這是以身分別市場租金打折那台中市的部分呢他其實是用身分別然後內涵這個所得別的混成那目前呢這個北北桃的社宅當然最多可是未來呢各都都會有中央的新建的社宅完工 |
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到時候就會發生一件事情就是一國多制或是一市兩制也就是說我地方的社宅跟你中央的社宅可能在旁邊可是大家的標準不同喔所以我想要提出這個問題不是要跟你討論說你到底打多少折而是這個問題就會導致民眾混亂他不知道哪一個究竟是地方政府蓋的哪一個中央蓋的那他到底用什麼條件呢所以我要講的事情是這個部分是不是應該統一一個制度來協調中央跟地方 |
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謝謝委員的關心,我想您講的沒有錯,因為每個地方縣市的租金根本在市場上的行情都不一樣,包括在同一個市政府裡面或同一個市裡面也有所謂的蛋黃區或是蛋白區。您先講的是身分別跟所得別。 |
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﹚廣告 |
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我想這樣對於要追求居住正義的年輕人來講,比較好有一個追尋的目標,而不是現在就定一個死的這個價錢在那個地方,反而影響到租屋市場上的緣故。其實你們自己內政部在112年的10月6號跟113年的2月21號、4月23號都有召開這個言商會議。 |
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中央草案也就是希望綜合所得跟身份進行這個收費那這個部分我要講的就是這個你一直扯到這個收費去我覺得這是應該是要盡速擬定這個部分要把全國的制度整合起來如果你們覺得說要為了避免所謂的假窮人的問題我覺得應該借鑒社福體系的乃至於到其他的這個住宅補貼的做法 |
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配套檢討現行收入檢核制度所以我講的主要是這個所以希望我們的行政院可以積極研擬跟地方溝通協調才能避免已經快要發生這個涉宅導致這個涉宅租金一國多字或一市兩制的問題好不好好我們謝謝委員的指教再來也是跟居住正義有關的部分 |
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這個中央在4月份的時候呢,調漲電價,那這個電價漲幅調漲大概3到5%嘛,約有1250萬戶受影響。那部分的房東,我們也收到很多的陳情,就是藉機調漲房租跟電價。那租客也抱怨,那房東收取電費本來就已經不是按照台電的費率收費,已經被扒一層皮。 |
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現在通知甚至要從每度5元調漲到6元這個漲幅高達20%所以呢也讓人家覺得說這個政府給了房東新理由再扒第二層皮那台電的虧損卻是基層的租屋主要負擔那前內政部長林佑昌他在4月24號也有表示已經預告要修正租屋定型化契約明定每度的電價不得超過這個當期電費單的平均的電 |
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的這個平均的電價所以房東每期收取的電費總額也不可以超過電費單的總額他那時候說5月上路應該沒問題請教請問院長現在已經6月18號那你們預告的這個修正草案進度為何上路了嗎 |
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我來回答一下好嗎?我想林佑昌部長在上次回應我們立法院確實沒有錯。我們在5月14日的時候已經完成修正草案的預告。現在我們將修正草案送到行政院來核定。最主要就是行政院他是要由消保會來做一個通盤的考慮跟審議之後,經過核定再由我們內政部來公告施行。也就是說剛剛委員所關心的就是說電價漲,然後房東也調漲。 |
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這是跟消費者權益有關的。對,但是你們當初有說5月要上路,但是到目前就是還沒上路嘛,對不對?所以我是覺得...那個,他的行政程序是需要有做那個預告,草案要預告,然後才做審議,然後再回來公告施行。所以你在打臨當初的部長他給的就是亂給開芭樂票嗎? |
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跟委員報告 |
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程序是一直在進行的那消保會會安排在6月底的會議當中來做討論那我們會盡速讓他那你可不可以說7月可以是上路看他討論的結果是不是所以有可能一再延宕嗎有可能一再延宕嗎我希望能夠盡快的按照過去部長所跟各位的委員的承諾跟國人的承諾這樣進行下去 |
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那請院長承諾我們用你最快的速度讓這個上路,然後我們希望可以在7月好嗎?我們一起努力加油,謝謝。好,院長去年選前財政部也端出新清安的貸款的政策牛肉,那提高的貸款額度調到1000萬,那貸款的年限也延長到40年,那寬限期也延長到5年,你認為這是符合居住正義的政策嗎? |
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這個政策原來的美意是相當好幫助年輕人能夠在比較低的利率情況底下取得防止 |
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好部長這聽起來是這樣子沒有錯但是我要告訴你的是說美意的確 |
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但是從結果來看 |
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他就是一個頭痛一頭腳痛一腳的問題喔那原本這個公股銀行的利息的減半碼喔還有新清安繼續的減收還有額外的加碼補貼甚至狂盛俗稱的房貸地板價的公交房貸但是結果我要講的就是結果結果造成今年的第一季全台建物買賣的移轉動數到了8.1萬棟是近13年來次高的紀錄而且這個央行公布喔第一季五大銀行這個承作的這個 |
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購屋的貸款累計到2382億是歷年的同季新高尤其新青安也佔比到了39%其實讓整個房市更加熱絡那七都的這個第一季的房價年增高達一成創下新高我就說這個結果看起來是沒有符合居住正義的所以到底是居住正義還是炒房 |
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我想要請教院長現在有很多年很多這個年輕人去買那也衍生一些包租公、人頭戶的亂象那接下來接下來還有這個境外資金回台的專法2019年的8月15號上路5年內不得投資這個不動產但是今年8月要繼續 |
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每年根據你們的說法是400多億,我想這個包含上面同一題,看起來又要帶動房價的漲幅,請問你們有打算要怎麼抑制這個房價嗎? |
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還是說房價過去是經濟火車頭你們現在要讓他變經濟火箭頭一飛沖天委員也應該同意房價的漲跌他絕對不是單一的因素不是單一的因素好那我只想問院長你剛剛說的還有其他政府會善用這些政策工具好好的來對市場做全面的檢查好因為我想要關心的是現在大家 |
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﹚ |
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這個各個地區各個六都還有各個縣市狀況不同他如果有新的公共建設發展或是有新的這個工業的場區那造成的房價的上漲那一方面是自然一方面是因為這樣的群聚的聚落我想要問這些就是我們先聚焦在這個部分我們想要問說對於這個房價的這個部分你有沒有辦法給出承諾或是有沒有更積極的作為告訴我們 |
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院長居住正義包含社宅包含租屋市場包含購物市場 |
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社宅我們剛剛前面討論但是我現在跟你講的就是購物市場也是他們最關心的一環嘛你總不可能要他一輩子本來你們做社宅的美意也不是說要他一輩子住社宅嘛對不對所以我是說這個購物市場你沒有想辦法解決的話那居住這一永遠只是口號所以我想要告訴院長的是請你可以就是跨部會趕快把這件事情當成重中之重然後也為我們國人做一個保證 |
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是。 |
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再來,根據警政署最新的2024年6月6日的統計顯示,112年的詐欺案件發生37000多件。比起上一年度,漲了將近三成,其中以投資詐欺也較上一年增加了5233件。 |
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當然不滿意 |
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沒錯,還好你說不滿意喔。 |
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但是之前行政院發表的新聞稿卻駁斥打詐沒有成果並強調打詐經費都是花在島口上沒有打水漂 |
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所以我覺得這個是不是跟院長的態度有點不同?不是我對我們打詐同仁第一線的工作的辛勞我非常的了解但是這種數字就是因為我們整個社會變遷國內環境的結果造成這種狀況我非常不滿意好院長我告訴你你們用的新聞稿裡面是引用全球防詐聯盟GASA的數據喔 |
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全球平均詐騙損失金額前三名的是新加坡、瑞士跟奧地利。那台灣是在43個國家裡面第23名。所以我才特別拿這個新聞稿來問這個我們的院長。這個新聞稿的駁斥是要告訴大家說我們其實還不錯,被騙的不多嗎?但是院長你知道嗎?這個GASA的數據裡面也有統計59%的台灣人受訪者每週至少接觸到一次的詐騙,排名第三。 |
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而且僅有6%的民眾顯示說很少或是未接觸過詐騙而且損失追回的比例上臺灣僅13%遠遠遠低於日本和新加坡的28%跟25% |
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最誇張的是裡面有講到估計的被詐騙金額的黑數是2000億台幣只是我們2023年官方統計的零頭院長覺得這個有改善的空間嗎當然有所以我堅信不是越打越多是我們不打更多所以一定要嚴打讓它降下去拜託大院趕快通過修法讓我們手中真的我有力氣那我一定要求嚴格的執行那現在其實對於這個結果越打越炸的結果看起來這個形容詞其實真的還是比我們新冠疫 |
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我們內政部 |
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他有打詐中心。速發部也有。法務部也有。當然他檢調單位。金管會對金融機關。那NCC當然也是一個關鍵。好,就是剛剛講的金管會、速發部、NCC、法務部還有我們內政部、檢政署這些的。那以上幾大部會也是涵蓋了大部分民眾會遇到詐騙時會需要提供協助的這個機關。但我們發現其中有很多的 |
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極大的問題,我們看似堅實的防線,其實居然有一大票的害群之馬在勾結這個詐騙集團,甘願成為詐騙集團的手下。而且還能以打入詐騙集團並有業務合作為榮,名字遮起來看還以為是想要加入黃仁勳的AI團隊。 |
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所以我們看看其實還有一堆的以下一堆的詐騙集團勾結這個律師、檢察官、法官、警察、銀行行員、NCC委員、廣告公司我想這哪裡是打架國家打詐國家隊根本是詐騙國家隊這些都是這些職業都是我們國家的精英公務員但是我們裡面是有出現害群之馬的現象所以我想這些害群之馬就會導致 |
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我們沒有辦法,人民沒有辦法信任喔你們要怎麼說服人民說相信政府沒有內鬼可以認真的打詐 |
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任何團體裡面有害群之馬都是團體最傷腦筋的。我想內閣團隊會嚴加的管理跟要求督促我們的首長對屬下的各種生活還有這個公職習慣作息時間應該好好的了解讓他們能夠在公務時間當中單純的以處理公務為主。謝謝院長所以希望你可以秉持勿枉勿重的精神全力找出害群之馬。 |
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再來因為這個事件讓我們想到過去在打這個假球很盛行的時候其實真的發現這個好的球員到最後發現哇原來身邊的隊友總教練最後他要報告到球隊的老闆他全部都是打全部都是詐騙的一環就是全部都是打假球的一環都被收買只有他自己乖乖打球所以這個部分我要提醒的院長就是說請你們勿晃勿動一定要從裡面好好的展現你們的決心為 |
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好,謝謝廖委員。好,謝謝卓院長。下一位請林委員處應質詢。謝謝主席。主席有請卓榮蔡院長。請卓院長備詢。 |
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林委員好院長好今天是18號所以說520上任其實即將要滿月了我看今天媒體針對院長包括內閣有出了幾篇報導但是感覺上這些報導的方向都認為說我們現在包括財經內閣狀況外政治小白這個閣員遭到綠委狂電 |
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其實我們我是不知道這個標題怎麼來的但是我想我們跟院長碰面的時候我們都是給建議但是確實也有媒體認為說我們的這些格緣來自產業界的很多所以可能我們的內閣都還在磨合所以院長您認為我們的內閣磨合好也準備好了要帶領我們台灣走向另外一個新的高峰嗎? |
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謝謝委員的鼓勵還有提醒520到現在真的將近一個月我們花了很長的時間在準備 |
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所以被稱為外星人內閣你可以接受嗎? |
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當然不是,我們長得都跟大家一模一樣。但是經過4次跟委員的參與以及很多次在委員會裡面的互動,彼此的了解都應該有非常的進步了。而且大家應該發現他們對於他們的專業是 |
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好嚴肅的問題問完之後我要問個輕鬆的 |
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院長有沒有看過所謂網紅影片?你認識哪些網紅? |
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因為最近網紅題目很夯啊你可以輕鬆回答因為是輕鬆題所以你輕鬆回答有也可以沒有也沒關係委員也是網紅所以看過我的影片嗎好那你知道這個現在我們在網路上的網紅不論是透過這個YouTube啊或者是其他的這個數位平台他們如果有人贊助或者是花錢買廣告他們怎麼稱這個廣告商你知道嗎 |
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台灣的方式那麼從過去有所謂的榮媒體找出在地協力者然後透過抖音紅書的文化統戰再到中小型的媒體的認知作戰跟借選現在最新的方法就是收買網紅給他贊助給他金錢 |
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那麼這些中國乾爹我們到底有沒有辦法置入因為台灣是一個言論自由的國家所以說在這些網路上面的影片我們不可能封殺但是如果他今天是花錢講中國好山好水好棒棒中國好安全如果這是花錢的有中國乾爹那就是廣告就是置入那就應該讓乾爹現行事實上我要強調的是在很多的平台當中包括Google你只要是拿贊助的 |
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這些網紅會直接寫說感謝乾爹某某某贊助感謝乾爹誰誰誰那如果是這樣的話這些含有中國乾爹贊助的這些相關的網紅跟影片一旦現行我相信台灣的人民會知道到底你是收錢說中國好還是你真的覺得中國好甚至於現在又傳出有藝人要組政黨網紅藝人要組政黨這些都是背後如果有中國乾爹我就叫院長 |
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謝謝委員其實我一直覺得相較於武力的威脅經濟的威脅 |
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最大的還是這種文化的入侵。這種文化的入侵是隨時隨刻在潛移默化當中而且是在生活周遭的。所以我也很希望國人能夠自己提升自己內心的防衛力量。知道說當我們去進到對方的遊戲規則當中 |
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﹗ |
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的角色提出非常清楚的預告預警這個絕對是必要的所以我要問邱主委那麼現在有所謂從容媒體到乾爹養有容台有買台還有打台在這個部分我們到底有沒有辦法來制定相關的法律讓中國乾爹現行呢本席是媒體出來的我們來看廣電相關的法規不論是電視或者是廣播來到下一張 |
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就是他有所謂的行銷的規範那數位平台有嗎?廣播電視都會認為如果你今天是有廣告那就要載民視廣告不然的話容台之後買台然後另外一方面他又打台包括我講的打台不是只是指共軍繞台喔包括台灣的媒體人 |
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都可以被中國列為所謂的不歡迎對象監控對象所以你要不收錢不然我打你我監控你甚至我懲治你那麼在數位平台當中有沒有可能陸委會跟數位部相關的來制定一套讓中國乾電現行的方式 |
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非常感謝委員的提醒您剛剛所說的如何讓背後的乾爹或者是背後的贊助者能夠現行我們現行的打詐專法的草案就有讓廣告實名制能夠揭露它背後的贊助者或者廣告的來源 |
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好,所以就是說接下來的打詐專法的草案當中就會針對數位平台所提供的內容來提起必要的法律的責任或是連帶的責任。 |
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此外我還跟委員報告要預防這個還是要從試讀能力的提升來加強。包括有兩個環節一個當然是我們對於試讀中國大陸試讀兩岸關係的這個跟教育課程來提升讓有意赴中國大陸或受到中國大陸求學就業的人他們有這個課程 |
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那這個很感謝陸委會跟教育部一直在合作那另外一方面就是在網路試讀能力的提升遇到這個來路不明以示中國大陸的網紅在對於我們認知作戰的時候我們要學習博外傳謝謝 |
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好所以呢有關於網紅網路的部分其實講到的就像院長所說的其實文化是非常重要文化統戰是最可怕的我想經濟能夠讓一個國家往前走但是文化才是最重要偉大的最後的關鍵力量所以我相信院長你一定同意那就是文化是有價的 |
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但是如果說現在我們會發現在我們強力的在推動文化的時候我們文化部現有的貸款的方式是加強文化創意提升轉型的貸款以及文化創意產業青年創業及啟動金的貸款 |
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但是你要知道文化有價但是回到擔保條件的時候包括我們的很多銀行是上有政策下有對策到後來他評估的條件還是土地建物或者是你第一受惠的抵押品都必須是房屋或土地所以部長這個會不會就又反而又過來倒打了文化產業一巴掌 |
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主委 |
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經管會有沒有對文化特別的來考量?因為他考量的是清償能力。是,但是這個我們在政府獎勵的部分真的就只能用紮紮實實的土地或者房子嗎?那這樣子回歸過來,你要知道還是沒有鼓勵到文化產業啊。未來有沒有可能考慮在這個部分跟金融機構做溝通,至少他們在貸款的時候對於土地或房屋這種實質的不重產能夠比例下降? |
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謝謝委員,現在據我了解現在我們在法規上對於是不是要用土地或是無形資產來做一個擔保品是沒有限制的只是誠如剛剛我們實務上銀行大概都習慣是以比較容易有公平價值的不動產但他們也在做比如說假設這有取得比如說有文化部基金的擔保的他是可以來做這個的 |
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好,院長我之所以提取這個問題是連帶剛剛上面的 |
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如果中國乾爹不斷地在養台灣的藝人台灣的網紅台灣的文化產業那我們當然就會被吸過去他只要是文化置入那麼我們根本無一倖免所以台灣必須要給予一定的肯定包括我們來看下一張其實本席去查了2014年我們就有一個 |
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文化資產的建架平台但是呢這個平台在2017年已經宣告死亡了他其實當時就是希望給無形的文化資產有一個建架的平台充實內容產業的人才但是現在發現他事實上是完全沒有在運作的所以這邊我也提供給主委建議可以回去思考一下是不是重新啟動或是成立一個類似的平台因為銀行沒有這樣的人去了解到底文化資產 |
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謝謝,謝委員我們會來研究,謝謝。 |
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好最後一個本席關注的是有關於資安的問題我們其實現在已經來到了這個畢業季我想跟院長提出幾個數據包括呢事實上根據調查研究了解在2024年資安準備指數當中全台只有8%的企業是可以有所謂完成現在的資安風險但是其實台灣有90% |
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八是中小企業我們知道大企業你說台積電你說這些大型的機構他的資安絕對沒有問題可是在98%的中小企業沒有做好資安風險控管的時候我要舉出另外一個例子是我剛講到畢業季全台灣有將近18000個資安科系的畢業生 |
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但是事實上只有2000人會就業那麼也就是大概只有11%會進入資安產業那是因為沒有就業的這些名額沒有這些就業的工作嗎?其實不是喔根據資安相關的聯盟台灣資安聯盟的數據台灣每個月有3000個 |
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另外就是我要一併講的第三個問題是 |
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院長您知道這個所謂MIT或是我們自由品牌算台灣的自主品牌的話,你只要這個東西佔有百分之多少的比例就可以稱為台灣自主品牌,您知道嗎? |
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百分之三十五就是說你只要是百分之三十五就可以稱為MIT然後是台灣的自主品牌可是院長您一定知道一個資安的系統它是一個軟體它絕對不可能是只有百分之三十五其他是別人寫的 |
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那麼到底台灣的資安系統所使用的這些軟體是不是真的MIT?我要提出的第三個疑問就是那麼到底我們有沒有可能是台灣如果是我們自己研發的軟體 |
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可以給上一個MIT真正臺灣自主產品的一個標籤這樣政府也可以鼓勵臺灣優秀的資安人才投入不論是設計研發或者是操作就可以補強前面的問題這是我提出的三個疑問等一下稍後我也會跟臺灣資安聯盟相關的成員來召開記者會但是在記者會之前我希望聽到院長剛剛聽到的三個問題有沒有可能落實 |
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政府推動數位轉型對象也在於中小微企業幫助他做企業轉型那數位轉型過程當中資安問題當然是一個重要的一環我們希望經濟部也好教育部也好能夠來做媒合那經濟部也有一個計畫要在大大小小的公司各種小企業裡面能夠 |
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﹗ |
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好,謝謝林委員。下一位我們請陳委員抄名質詢。 |
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4712.4 |
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副委員長好首先有請我們行政院卓院長請卓院長背書陳委員好卓院長好你的施政報告裡面我確確實實讀了一遍我相信我比所有的立法委員還努力的讀你施政報告我這裡面都是做了筆記 |
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把你所講的施政報告每一句每一句我好惹那裡面你寫到我們要以行動完成夢想我們要創新帶來突破接任行政院長本來不是我人生的規劃但選擇接受此議任務我就會全力以赴 |
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重點在這兩句話未來哪裡有困難我和行政團隊就到哪裡哪裡有問題我就想辦法解決問題所以今天我第一個主題苗栗現在在轉型發展我們需要行政院大力的支持讓苗栗縣源頭趕上 |
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所以苗栗縣是在猛力奔跑,不是在走路。問題請稍微緊拍表表。真的要你這AI的團隊裡面來務實協助苗栗縣。等一下我提出來的問題,就是苗栗縣的困難。苗栗縣的問題在哪裡?第一個我先這樣子,總委員長我是有準備而來的。 |
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我必須向你提出困難問題解釋,我必須拿出很具體。第一個我要跟你探討的就是我們現在財政收支化分化。我的主題苗栗牡栗創碎應有公平的對待。所以你在我們財政收支化分化裡面應該增加激勵的制度,鼓勵創碎的現實。 |
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我現在從110年到112年的稅收這三個縣市是五級財政縣市苗栗縣從111年到112年一共為中央創稅877億但是這三年期間我苗栗縣只分到468億所以我們都交給中央409億 |
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那嘉峪縣110億才225億他中央補助52億你們倒貼317億屏東縣577億那個中央補貼809億你們232億台幣我趴屁去創稅結果我在統籌分配款一般補助款反而變少了這母女的孩子 |
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沒有堂吃還有穿睡越多補治變成越少這不合理不公平那我今天可能明天財主說這從國民黨民進黨執政每一個人都需要改都沒有改因為這改了你們就講知識體大但是我穿睡能力高你應該說給我 |
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我們苗栗縣的負債如果以這樣暢銷的比例你每年都給我補支100億我馬上就解決回歸正常的財務計算這是很不公平這是過癮的這是保險苗栗縣我希望你大友的你想要改進的 |
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一個行政院長好好地處理這個問題這個問題是確實發生在尤其財政跟組織不要有偏見我們應該得到我們公平的待遇院長你怎麼樣回答一下我只強調激勵制度 |
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謝謝委員我知道苗栗縣的財政一直是在臺灣各縣市當中比較特殊的那中央政府長年以來也持續做這個補助你有沒有偏見有歧視啊我現在還誤寨四百億天天被你們財政控管天天被你們盯著鑰匙我趴屁股沒到一點點資金啊對啦已經行之多年但是中央對苗栗的補助從來也不會少過 |
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看到這個數字應該很多是在統籌會面所以各地競爭型的我拜託了好幾次我希望大家要有良心一點不然我們有事的人敢看苗栗縣其實我們要發展我們只有四五百億你們這間建設都整個城業六都裡面我們看到心很痛不要為大都市的選票怕命我們這個政壇已經是很混亂的這樣好不好我希望改進有要的就會從這邊考慮給苗栗多一點可以嗎 |
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我時間有限,我說明聽了太多次,我直接找院長,不是我去講的,摸了太久都一清二楚了好不好,院長你跟我講多考慮一下都好。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
第二個問題我請內政部長苗栗縣警察局重建軍會我們需要你支援 |
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| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
苗栗縣的警察局蓋到現在是屬於臺灣省最古老的第二個警察局那在中央補助裡面在112年答應給我們14億84萬那因為整個那個通貨的膨脹113年中央說要補助我們16億9988萬我就說17億到多少 |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
5114.934 |
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當時裡面苗栗縣要自首6.6億。您的怎麼樣?上一代你們的行政院裡面有答應。就是說113年3月吳哲成政委召集的話,請內政部履行確認,談為沿河類補治案件及補治前端第五期匡列預算,以便執行的一致性和完整性。那個劉部長。 |
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5116.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
5118.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
拜託一下,我們現在還欠什麼?第5期前陣子我幫我看能不能這樣好嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
5124.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
5124.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
還缺3億,給我去計劃 |
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5153.501 |
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沒有沒有沒有還沒有 |
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還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有 |
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我馬上請他們就送過來是委員 我要跟你講的就是我沒有跟你們講清楚所以才增加整個量體了你也知道 院長你說要解決問題有困難在哪裡你一定到我這個是專案內管的好不好這個已經比原來核定的金額要多原來核定的金額要多就通貨膨脹通貨膨脹以後整個算過吧不是要給自己愛情的啦通貨膨脹沒辦法給自己愛情好不好 |
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都幾個年了,你已經當初14億啊,現在17億差3億,今天給你歐嗎?不要這樣小看,有沒有也沒關係啦,說到派遣就是這樣嘛,今天把你問題提出來了還不要講那個道理。您剛剛跟我講行政流程還沒有做好哪一期電給我? |
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不是,我們請苗栗縣政府先加速各項的工程流程,然後如果確定有不足的部分的話呢,我們會請行政院納入未來的前瞻計畫。委員報告,原來補助11億,後來增加的單位增加到16億,要請苗栗縣政府把那個增加的流程要補足。 |
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而且他增加之後,自己在地方自治事項裡面開付出負擔的...沒有,他的補助款也隨著負擔啦。您在講什麼,是不是...負擔6億嘛。這比較難做,你們那個不會啦。好好做就一定會票數增加啦。好,謝謝。再來苗栗醫院的。呃,劉部長,拜託啊。我們不是這樣啦。我們是乾坤仔啦。 |
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委員好部長好苗栗市支援醫療支援比較缺乏的地方苗栗縣的集中生醫院集中流中心講了好久110年111年施政參院長到現在為止每一個地方去每一個都要做到現在113年 |
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這個工程已經流標了,放射腫瘤流標14次,集中症醫院擴建流標6次,就是欠錢嘛,要一直流標嘛。你這個人拜託,每次到的時候,選舉到時候大家都要講重視苗栗的醫療資源,這點,能特別拜託。院長,這是苗栗困難問題。 |
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的所在我希望你尊重的解決。我不是來應付的,大家插證你都幾十年了解的。我是很真心誠意請你幫我們解決問題。請你幫我們倒秀。怎麼樣,這個能不能趕快? |
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新內閣新氣象新AI的內閣 |
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謝謝委員長期對苗栗營醫療資源的爭取,我們非常感謝 |
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那有關於集中症醫療計畫大樓跟放射腫瘤治療擴建工程其實都是苗栗縣民在醫療資源的增加當中非常重視的兩個地方那的確也是流標多次集中症6次放腫大樓14次所以現在已經召開多次的檢討會議我們現在這些調整預算調高到大概 |
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你沒有選舉,我有選舉,我曉得我困難我痛苦在哪個地方,你只要說我要去那邊解決問題就好。 |
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因為這邊講的內容我們大概都了解好不好?我們來實際務實來解決問題。好不好拜託?這個很重要,不然我們都送到外縣市啊。我們沒辦法輸給別人,好不好?特別拜託。再來這個問題看起來蠻大,但是對苗栗很確實。 |
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我今天怎麼又在這裡問?部長你可以回去了,這個可能是內政部跟農業部。今天我提出來,指定苗栗縣為地區環坡釋放區,打造臺灣的清淨層。苗栗縣的山坡地大概佔全縣的86%。院長,你知道我們苗栗縣的山坡地現在一家中3000坪,大概1500萬。 |
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一千五百萬要買你新建的房子,要買你台北的房子,買不到十平,啊你這樣有公平嗎?尤其山坡地的開發,你要看每個地方的情況不一樣,明天你占了86%,現在農民土地價格下跌,我心中永遠不滿意的。這個世界真沒有公平,你主意聽好,我不知道你有做過事嗎? |
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那六都的土地都市化、基化的農業區可以經過都市變更,變成自宅區、商業區。一樣的農民、一樣的農地它可以變,這邊被受限了10時點。 |
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阿你們都市人,星期一到星期五燈紅酒綠在這旁邊探訪,待到那一代我們的好山好水、綠山清水,要給你們心想來享受疫情,限制的非常多。所以我今天特別為地方鐵絲姐姐要求大家, |
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而尤其現在物農在山坡地切水、切工,你說要種水果、種水稻,你自己就一年要休耕一次了,你來科學這個地方,那種就不務實的想法。 |
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那我們地球環波到日本看一看打造出來有多漂亮我們為什麼又做不到這樣的宣傳所以我就這樣一刮快點就來修改譬如你農地什麼路要蓋在中央你山坡地、丘陵地不一樣還有只有種水果水稻才叫做經濟作物我種高級的樹木不是經濟作物嘛不要被學者這樣以為他的思想很先進那不實際 |
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私底下我帶你去看以前開發的散坡地多好、多漂亮。我特別要求的是在苗栗成為第二次反坡的示範區,一個鄉鎮先做一個,兩個鄉鎮做一個,來打造看看。 |
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不可以按照以往的觀念來拋棄農民啊。山坡地現在要做什麼?要水果地產,水果先到哪裡去採?沒有人去採。你們都市人了解嗎?不了解。現在的缺工要怎麼耕種?你要如何核化?你們說保障農民,你把農民的財產降低。都市的農地一直在變工,這是什麼血管?因為農地會變成我的山坡地、農地,我不會做什麼,怎麼做得到利? |
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委員長,我希望你下來看一下。好,謝謝委員。人口往都會區集中,產業往都會以及各個專業區集中,這個是一個趨勢。所以,賴總統在提出了幸福農業快樂農民的這個政策,所謂對農村再生條例等等,還有很多式的補貼,我們都有在做這個事情。 |
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那當然對農民我認為是國家是根本,農業是國家是根本。我這個提出來絕對有用意,絕對是要改變現狀,改變不合理的現狀嘛。這個現狀是不是部長能夠說明一下,請博士部長說明一下。 |
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我跟委員報告就是苗栗地區因為它地形特殊那相關的這些玻璃農業我們未來會持續然後另外照你剛才所提到的在我們的農村再生裡面結合區域治理本身就可以達到這樣類似這樣的一個目的不是這樣目的來的確實以前很多刁難的條件不一樣 |
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您會否同意我們要先訂立自治法規才4萬7,有做過有摸過,好歪在這裡面就能顯示出來了。可能給農村帶來不同心。欸,這去到台北45分鐘,去到台中15分鐘,去到高雄75分鐘,啊到台北退休的人本來不是很好。 |
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祝福國民、國民、國民、國民、國民、國民、國民、國民、國民、國民、國民、 |
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我們每天都要做我們知道的通貨題材,我們要如何去解決它。那委員是不是你有這個特定具體的區域或是一個狀況,讓部長能夠去了解,那部長看主管處理。最好你去啦,部長他們我相信這個還不敢亂打黑人,你來嚇死什麼,你去來看我這個,你這個給我的副主管,為什麼不給我修改? |
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再來我要討論 |
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陶芝苗大溪谷計劃第一,現在韓國國務法會,你們這經濟部我一直在討論陶芝苗大溪谷計劃苗栗縣現在已經提出了大概960公頃的一個計劃裡面包括職產科第二期 |
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包括頭雲的科學園區,包括後龍的科技產業園區,這個地方跟新竹市、新竹縣、新竹科學園區、跟公園院、跟交通大學、跟清華大學非常近,等於是啊。所以我們要打拚,我們要分手,我們要改變苗栗的命運。 |
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我們這個地方已經有科技的基石地,這個大溪谷之外,那報告院長趕快幫我們核定,讓我們來拚。這個是連接北部、連接中部、紫邨苗栗這一塊。這一塊連接完成的時候,大概溪部走廊的科技廊道就完成了。 |
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這是一個與半導體跟AI串聯起來的而且能夠建構完整產業生態系的那麼我們也希望說苗栗縣政府能夠繼續的把土地盤點出來能夠增加在竹南或是頭份有適當的土地能夠讓國科會來進行規劃或是辦理那持續後的這個程度我們來處理我是特別跟你拜託因為王部長 |
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講過我們臺灣的科技有50年的黃金期所以我們這個地方開發起來會改變苗栗的命運苗栗的未來我這不是跟你講假的我希望你這個如果送上來要趕快來核定好不好這幾個計畫 |
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經濟部或是國安會都有目前進度在進行?我會請他們到苗栗縣實地考察,你們比較少到苗栗縣我去的時候我科家再請你們你真的假如苗栗縣是一個非常好的地方這幾個園區是完全新築科學園區的那一帶都延伸到這邊有衝出去的話拜託一下好不好我們的那個郭部長 |
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你上次有答應喔,現在這邊再答應一次喔。報告委員,這個現在土地的問題是還有一些私有地啦,私人的土地,這些協調完了以後啊,就馬上可以報線。我相信很多都需要協調,我自己也很了解,地方很期盼這個完成。國化委主委送到這兩個地方,這個大概是土地的變更是由內政部跟國化部、行政院合訂的。 |
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阿姨要推動是你們在推動的好不好給苗栗縣支一股加油的力量給我們一點勝利不過看你們台南高雄、甲嶼阿摩的行政協議我表明是保地你們不切水、不切電阿不搭檔你們去代算這個所在好不好 |
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主委跟部長都會到現場了解狀況以後,我們就照這個目前進行的程序一直進行,那也希望地方政府、縣政府也能夠加強配合。現在換交通部啦 |
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交通部的李部長,你們請回座交通部李部長 |
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報告院長： |
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這個大西湖計畫苗栗發展很重要我今天特別提出來有幾點請幫我加強之重那我也感謝上一次你們也合訂了台61線也就是西邊公路從新竹本來到香山我曾經的話這個從香山連接到貨龍一共180億 |
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謝謝我們理事長你打電話來我特別感謝你這一條很重要我希望趕快快速的推動還有苗栗縣的台72縣接台61西邊公路這一條也核定了40.23億 |
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再來,海線的雙規劃,一定嗎?鐵路的雙規劃,鐵路的雙規劃在廟裡都老了,就該後面了。60幾個五苦苦的哀求了好幾年,現在才推動這個綜合規劃。我希望這個綜合規劃能趕快及時的進行好不好。那這裡面,我們的台72線,叫做南湖。 |
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苗栗縣現在交通網缺了一個重要點,就是所有重要道路,譬如台一縣,國道一號、國道三號都沒有聯絡網。那台七十二縣剛好可以做這個聯絡網。你在銅鑼還是投屋那邊做一個聯絡網的道路,連接著國道一號。 |
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然後現在你有經過國道3號到西邊但是國道3號你沒有聯絡網的交通這邊可以編列進去因為這個帶動循環不管你科技的發展不管你觀光的發展這幾個那個交通的閘道把它完成的話我相信苗栗縣的交通建設就會非常的完整啊這個好好拜託 |
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跟委員報告就是您提到的這幾個有關苗栗的重大的交通建設那有的已經可行性已經核定那現在再進入相關的規劃進一步的建設這個我們會加速流程那現在比較特別是72聯絡這個我想很重要 |
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可以讓這個快速入網可以銜接那這個部分已經可行性也核定我們在後面來加速推動那可能有一個就是也跟委員報告就是臺72連接國一跟國三他跟既有的交流道都太近都不足兩公里那另外72又是沿著後龍溪所以他會有這個河川工地的這個問題 |
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那這個我們還在想辦法克服。因為你稍微站起來,再來大西谷計劃新築縣市已經有牽軌計劃,但是院長我跟您報告,孜然頭昏是很重要的一個兩個鄉鎮,它跟新築市跟科學園區完全是連接在一起的。 |
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那這個遷尾計畫如果你真的要發展這個科技走廊一定要把主軟頭拉住這個遷尾計畫,他都雞皮疙瘩在背地那對於交通對於未來的交通改善會很大的幫助 |
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新的科學研究就有5秒來人,等一下上班。那我想,院長跟我們部長,這個牽軌計畫,我會請苗栗縣政府提出來。連接著牽軌主覽特訓,因為兩個是鄰近的相似,比鄰在一起的,好不好?齁,這個會贏嗎?突然提出來,你們好像還不怎麼稱職還是? |
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就是這個部分我們會再進一步了解不過現在目前新竹的輕軌因為有縣跟市所以新竹縣市正在整合再加一個苗栗縣你下來的話我看就會解決了我大概他們也有溝通協調我大概了解好不好這點給我們加強一下你要曉得苗栗縣的重大計畫是靠海的地方科技走廊 |
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三邊的話觀光休閒海邊的人賺錢給三邊的人去休閒享受這是一個基本的概念跟規劃在希望你潛力支持因為那邊水庫很多你們以前不缺水苗栗縣幫忙很多 |
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這次我也要跟委員報告,這次端午的連假,全國各縣市的旅館的住房率,苗栗是...我剩下沒有多少,我改天再邀你下來。現在還有兩條,就是我們海線通宵跟銅鑼科學園區, |
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通宵的人口本來是第四名的現在掉到第七名沒有產業在那邊所以我主張開一條從銅鑼科學園期到通宵這叫做通宵產業生命之路這沒得先給你挨五百五十萬評估費用來好分好分年趕緊來進行 |
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因為未來的重大建設還是要你們行政院交通部來支持啦好不好再來剩下一分鐘院裡的車站我們的副院長你的家鄉你要好好照顧哈你下來看這個特別人家交代我說不到你要轉告給你副院長這個姊姊那個跨站市長還有苗栗縣最可憐的鄉鎮到最近才有7-11 |
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以前我在高知公路裏面設立了藍日北池,因為那個地選高,所以交流啦,現在我們也找到一條捷徑的路,就是北日藍池,這要高層滿。我們現在你財政收入化分化負債那麼高,這條差不多高層幾萬,一定我先幫你報告一下,給我支持一下。以前施政長院長最支持這個, |
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大概這個地方要的經費他沒配合款他去看的時候結果這個鄉鎮實在發展受限制了我希望你也幫我解決這個問題好不好這個我們會去看過之後再來跟委員討論我看你這樣就要表列齁你選舉當秘書長也沒有人了 |
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好,謝謝陳委員好,謝謝卓院長 |
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報告院會休息10分鐘,休息之後繼續進行質詢,現在休息。 |
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響鐘響鐘 |
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議員議員議員 |
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主席﹚ |
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一號、二號、二號沒問題 |
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主席 |
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響鐘 |
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議員議員議員 |
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報告委員會現在繼續開會,請王委員事件質詢。 |
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謝謝主席我請行政院卓院長來請卓院長備詢卓院長早安卓院長你在施政報告的時候提到你的施政希望能夠達成 |
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朝野和解共生兩岸和平共存與民族夥伴們能夠合作共贏那這個目標方向都非常正確非常的大氣所以我在質詢一開始我先送你一個小禮物那我認為 |
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這三點方向目標你應該盡全力去達成去實現,要說到做到。是的。 |
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海納百川海納百川在我們國內朝野和解共生跟對岸我們和平共榮跟所有民主的夥伴我們合作共贏好不好謝謝一定努力 |
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非常感謝委員的鼓勵這就是我們共同努力的目標跟方向我們一定朝這個方向做最大的努力那也希望大家一起合作是好那院長再來我就針對當前我們國家最重要的幾大項目我認為這是當務之急我列了十大項目那我希望來就教於你 |
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就是說第一點內閣從國發會主委劉靜清到經濟部長郭志輝甚至到差點阻隔的民間讀書會這位童先生啊他們啊幾乎成為核電自走炮他們 |
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尤其是國部長上任前上任後一再的提倡乾淨的河 |
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其實我們民主社會大家不同的看法不同的聲音他有不同方向思考這都正確的但是他不能說了乾淨的和以後講了一大堆以後拍拍屁股說這是他個人的立場個人的意見院長你要交代部長你報告郭部長講的是乾淨的能源對 |
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他講的就是乾淨的核電嘛就是這個意思嘛那我認為不同的方向思考可以但是絕對不能說這是他個人的立場進到內閣就沒有閣員的個人立場閣員所有發表的政策說明談話都是內閣的立場政府的立場所以能不能約束他不要再做核能 |
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自走炮啦那我要問院長的就是說所以當我們臺灣面對這麼好的機會AI大爆發黃仁勛先生也到我們臺灣幫我們組了AI國家隊所以此時此刻我們很明顯的面對未來這幾年 |
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很快的可能我們用電量要大幅增加目前我們電絕對是夠但是未來是不是夠所以我想問左院長就是說你們內閣你們的策略地圖是什麼策略地圖是什麼如果我們面對AI的大爆發我們國家的需要 |
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如果有必要要把河山廠研議的話是不是應該經過社會討論而不再是寡頭政治來決定應該透過社會討論我分三點簡短跟委員報告第一個我們邀請部會所長到內閣裡面來我們希望他把產業企業的管理的效率來管理政府那這一點我們還是繼續借用他們的長財 |
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第二點對於核能的問題我們現在很清楚的一致的認為是我們必須對於這個核廢可以處理、核安得到保證、社會有共識才值得往下談任何的事情。我想部長也是非常清楚這個問題。 |
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先前他們在談的我舉個例不是郭部長說的啦另外這位先生說的他說要引進芬蘭OL3的核電廠把他講的跟神蹟一樣啦他竟然說啊說啊那我們把核市場產品上面就放OL3芬蘭的核電廠欸 左主席 左院長 |
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如果這在民間朋友們聽到覺得這是荒唐無稽也沒有知識核市場就位處於地震斷層把核市場挖掉上面再另外加一個任何OL3任何的核電廠都是錯誤的他連一個最基本的理解都沒有所以我希望我們的內閣不要再成為自走胖 |
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好不好我希望我們能夠站在國家需要跟台灣的條件底下要經過我們對於新的知識我們開放來要經過充分的社會開放來接受新的知識那個部長你請問比方說我現在要談的要經過社會討論的就是比方說勞動部長他上任第一天他就講啊他說未來四年啊這個勞保我們就是每年撥補 |
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拜訪議員 |
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我們以景氣盼能夠做一個勞保一個適度的改革能夠讓勞保永續讓大家都領得到所以我認為不應該再這樣子如果只撥補而不談下去做改革的話我認為這兩個字送你鴕鳥是不是部長你既然上來鴕鳥兩個字你想清楚上會討論 |
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那至於勞保怎麼改革比方說要多繳少領我覺得這絕對不可行那政府撥補這當然那未來只有兩條路一條就是說延後退休但是這個要經過社會討論因為現在已經延到65歲後續還能夠延幾年最重要的我個人的建議 |
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我認為我們應該趕快加緊課徵富人稅。加緊課徵富人稅。加緊課徵富人稅才能夠達到社會的公平性。把課徵富人稅的收入預注到勞保。 |
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如果要勞保的朋友們未來多獎少領我覺得這基本上都是不公平的社會也不會接受的所以對於要勞保延長、延退是不是要 |
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趕快開啟社會討論廣納社會大眾對勞保改革他們的意見所以院長這能不能做到跟委員報告何部長對於勞保基金水位的高低一直嚴密的在了解跟掌控中那他也認為說波普應該只是一個很多改革當中政府必須扮演的角色所以政府會做到這一點波普本來就該做的啦 |
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委員 容許讓我說明一下 |
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委員﹚ |
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您剛才講到少領多角少領不可行對不對可是現在社會上所有的討論都是要這種改革這個是我們不能同意的我是要強調這一點所以您不要誤會我不是講請你把話說清楚你剛剛這個說明有說跟沒說一樣好謝謝你我時間有限你請回還有院長 |
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我們這個現在房價高漲到這個地步我認為始作俑者跟我們對銀行、金控公司他們授信放款的管理跟對利率這個調整其實是不對的 |
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我們長年以來我們的銀行體系他們習慣性的把大筆資金用極低廉的利息借給一些不孝的建商讓這些建商藉由低利率吸取那麼龐大的社會資金他們去養地買地圈地所以 |
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7952.337 |
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我們的後輩們年輕朋友們他們永遠心之所得永遠追不上房價我認為來自於社會大眾的銀行資金們應該要善加管理我們應該對於房貸族一般深斗小民青年朋友們 |
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他們買房的利率應該壓低補貼他們這都正確但是對於建商尤其是不肖建商要嚴格控管對他們的壽性放款在這個部分其實這個莊部長你在任命了九大公營行庫的董事長總經理之後其實啊我看你都在專心 |
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管國產管稅收啦管你的實質價啦這是好喔但是我覺得你對銀行利率的擴寡對九大公營行庫他們的管理我覺得嚴重不足所以我就不跟你多提啦那監管會主委 |
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8024.794 |
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你新上任我知道你學富5G但你的專業在保險每次我跟你談到這個銀行利率控管的時候我覺得你們大概的意思就是說都共推到後面的中央銀行那左院長我是認為在對銀行的利率 |
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這一部分莊銀郎確實有盡到他們的職責啦我們這位總裁確實有他金融的專業最近這一波第六波的對房市這個融資的控管他確實有盡了努力但我覺得除了 |
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對於利率的調高以外要記住對於一般我們購屋的壽星階級青年朋友們要壓低利率補貼他們但是對於惡劣的建商尤其啊我現在提到我們在這個融資壽星銀行本來有一套ESG風險管理耶對這一家建築這家公司他們的ESG怎麼樣他們對環境影響對公司治理 |
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ESG有風險的通通是貸款最高的這幾家建商。比方說在台北大大有名的、全國有名的新復發啦、基泰啦。欸!新復發一年到頭從我們台灣由南到北的工地都有它的公安事故,都造成嚴重的傷亡。 |
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結果他的貸款他在十大惡劣建商裡面他是第一名十大惡劣建商我現在表列的這一張這十大惡劣建商他們的融資他們的負債已經高達九成結果我們 |
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三十八家銀行尤其我最覺得無法接受的就是我們九大公銀行庫借這十大二列建商低利息借他不到兩趴吼都高達千億以上 |
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所以院長我希望這個部分你能夠管一管你就責成我們的新任經管會主委讓他趕快進入管理那部長我希望你在任命九大公營行戶董事長總經理的時候能夠更謹慎而且既然任命了事後要對他們做追蹤管理可不可以 |
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| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
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好既然你們上來了我同時再提另外一個危害我們台灣目前社會的就是這些二值的租賃公司院長從這個中租抵合到合論到育融這三家租賃公司已經佔了整個租賃市場超過90% |
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| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
8213.478 |
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這三家公司的二列我姑且稱這三家叫做數條三兄弟啦數條三兄弟左手從我們的銀行借了五千億低利率喔1.7%右手帶放給我們需要的社會大眾高利貸18% |
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8216.311 |
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8243.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
然後我們銀行眼睜睜的看著數條山兄弟未來的還款來源來自於吸收我們深斗小民的血汗錢吸收高利貸做他們還款來源天啊我們竟然做事這樣的罪惡在發生然後數條山兄弟他們還要年輕人父母親做寶還要 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
8246.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
8269.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
討債公司下去追討最壞的情況青年朋友們借了他工作餘命還有30年千刀萬里追對待我們的未來新世代這是何等的錯誤跟荒唐所以院長我希望你責成軍管會主委財政部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
8270.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
8296.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
不要再助纣為虐而且我們應該趕快立行政會趕快送來這個版本就是說融資註定公司管理法我們立這一部法然後把對於鼠條三兄弟跟這些融資註定公司的管理收回由經管會來管院長我這麼說你同不同意 |
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8312.55 |
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任何的公司啦、機構啦都應該依法來執行它的業務所以在你說的這個委員說的這個部分應該受到公司法跟其他的法規有規範但是要立一個專法這是委員的期待啦另外就是我們對消費者的保護要加強 |
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| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
8338.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
不要讓消費者誤信到不實的那個廣告或是不實的這個合約裡面去。我們不希望因此造成重大的社會問題。所以這兩個單位都應該要強力的去了解內容跟加強管理。對消費者的保護齁,不會負障啦。然後你說公司法管理,現在的金管會跟財政部就是一推四五六,就是推給說啊這個公司法。 |
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8364.874 |
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院長你知道嗎?如果對薯條三兄弟只用公司法來管理是經濟部管我們全國有140萬家公司經濟部用公司法管140萬家薯條三兄弟只占140萬分之三你認為這樣的管轄夠嗎?我認為嚴重不足所以我希望專業的就歸專業管 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
8366.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
8392.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
該金融的就歸金管會那麼有一部分事務由放款端九大公營行戶他放最多九大公營行戶這十年來借了五千億給這數條三兄弟助紂為虐好啦各位部長請回來我時間有限那個主席抱歉我休息三秒鐘喝一下水 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
8402.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
8415.69 |
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要多3秒嗎?我多喝了3秒算進去沒關係。投資教育就是投資未來。臺北科技大學跟中華民國同年,我們臺北我們可以不缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
8427.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
8445.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
一棟商場一棟百貨公司不缺高級辦公大樓不缺觀光飯店但是我們需要一所百年樹人的好大學就像是國立台北科技大學他們受到的委屈這60年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
8446.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
8470.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
他們本來13公頃的校地臺北共產時代4000位學生他們現在已經進步發展到13000位學生但是擠在9公頃的校地為什麼消失了4公頃因為他配合了臺北市這幾十年來的發展開闢了新生南路市民大道建國南路宗教登錄等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
8471.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
8497.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
所以一萬三千位優秀的北科大的師生就擠在那九公頃的校地裡面這三年前蔡總統已經有交代辦理要把建國啤酒廠的土地建國啤酒廠要升格改為商業區回饋出來的四層土地就交由國立台北科技大學無償來使用但是這個案子先前進 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
8499.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
8518.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
已經進行得如火如荼那因為新內閣上任突然嘎然而止我希望卓院長你能夠交代內政部跟教育部他們針對北科大現在校地的需求能夠趕快進一步把這個段點接上好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
8520.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
8548.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
所以我知道行政院跟台北市政府這件事情曾經有過多次的協商那行政院也做了一些核定那這個核定的精神是會往一個比較開發性而且滿足學校的條件來走但是我們還要詳細了解這個內容教育部長應該了解這個情形或者是現在這個啤酒廠那個用地單位是台酒在財政部也應該有他的說明 |
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8549.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
8571.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
那個財政部還是一樣抗拒嗎?跟委員報告我想建國啤酒廠裡面第一個他有所謂的歷史建築古蹟那這個部分是一定要保存跟維護的那另外其他的土地的運用目前來說也都有行政院以及跟台北市政府還有北科大都有協商那目前已經在辦理有關都市計畫變更的一個程序 |
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8572.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
8595.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
那對於北科大教育所需要... 歷史建物的維護啊,北科大是專業,他有土木工程系、有建築系、有材料工程系、有設計系,他們對於歷史建物的維護修復,他們是專業啊,人家他們學校,他自己校內113年的學校,裡面歷史建物一堆,人家他們維護得很好。我要再次 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
8596.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
8615.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
院長請你告訴台九現在的主事者當你升格為商業地你必須捐回市城土地給政府這個捐回的市城是義務就像繳稅一樣哪有說繳了稅還指定稅金的用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
8617.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
8617.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
請工程會說明報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
8633.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8656.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
這個都市計劃目前已經進入到由中央進委申請都市計劃變更的階段。那麼在上次的內政部都市計劃委員會開會的時候,他做成一個決議,就是會令成立專案小組就相關問題來釐清之後再於審議。那什麼問題呢?就是文資法裡面的規定,就是凡是都市計劃有變更, |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
8665.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
8674.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
我謝謝你的回答因為這些大夫我都知道了我最後院長我提醒大家不要被假的文資人士假的文資團體所欺騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
8676.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8692.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
學校才是保存歷史建物最好、最有資格、最有公信力的單位就把這個校地無償撥用給學校來使用投資教育就是投資未來各位請回同時我要跟大家說同時也就是說撥撥牙醫的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
8724.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
我們對於我們未來的世代我們要維護公平的教育權現在有這些波波牙醫就海歸回來那就佔據了我們牙醫的名額我認為應該歸國的牙醫OK我們名額限制在要實習名額的十分之一不應該再讓它擴大那麼受教權教育權是我們國家之所以穩定進步的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
8725.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
8741.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
受好的教育才讓年輕的一代他能夠藉由支持教育創造自己的人生改變他們家庭的命運所以我們一定要保持這個公平的教育權 |
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8742.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8746.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
所以院長我希望你聽進去這個部分能夠落實好不好? |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
8764.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
8792.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
好的委員剛剛那個北科大的問題我們跟委員報告我們一定盡速讓流程走下去走完讓他產生一個最後的結果出來往這個方向去走那波波牙醫這件事情那個部長謝謝你啦我時間有限因為我再來要提社子島開發那個院長社子島我相信你們去過都曉得社子島受了75年的委屈如果你晚上8點之後到社子島一看像個鬼島一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
8793.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
8816.048 |
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喔!這個不但燈光灰暗,它連一個基本的衛生下水道都沒有。部長你也在,社址島你知道,不要說醫院,連一個診所都沒有。這樣非人的生活,我認為應該立刻開發社址島。現在坊間有一個聲音說政府開發社址島是圖利社址島民。 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
8817.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8820.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
政府開發這70年來開發了上千條上萬條的道路開發了上萬個社區圖立了幾百萬的臺灣人民這都對的為什麼過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
8832.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8832.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
拜訪委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
8850.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8854.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
現在是應該我們回頭去回饋照顧社子島居民的時刻了所以整體的開發應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
8879.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8906.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
現在這個生態設置島開發是低密度,它不但能夠還設置島民眾一個公道,同時也能夠開發周遭的設置地區,這個後港地區,葫蘆島地區,這些同時都可以得到相對於民間來集中資源來開發,所以這是正面的,我希望我們能夠正面來看待, |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8932.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
現在就應該是還社址島公道的一個時刻也希望臺北市政府能夠加速跟居民來做協調臺北市政府別人不敢講阿對社址島的開發他們真的很用心阿利潤市長已經案子送來了我希望內政部這個劉部長你們能夠謹慎的處理趕快做一個time table時間表出來趕快回應社址島的需求好不好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8940.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
因為時間有限那個院長我簡單的把台鐵高鐵比一比那麼台鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
8942.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8965.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
全線1065公里高鐵只有348公里但是光是落實警告系統台鐵只有26處人家高鐵高達84處他只有350公里不到他竟然三倍的落實警告系統而且他光是災難防救這樣子的規劃他們 |
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8967.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8988.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
一年辦了98場臺鐵只辦11場所以難怪啊臺鐵一年事故傷亡人數32位耶高鐵零事故零傷亡那其他的營運更不用講營收臺鐵只有334億高鐵竟然高達將近500億498億員工人數更扯 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
8992.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
9019.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
台鐵15900人高鐵只需要4700人這樣的營收差距難怪台鐵一直賠錢42年來台鐵已經負債4000億這兩年台鐵已經公私化了那大家都以為哇那台鐵問題就迎刃而解解決的錯公私化只是他們進步改革的第一步而已所以院長我 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
9020.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
9023.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
身心障礙者我希望我們能夠落實聯合國要求的這個障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
9043.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
9071.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
全力公約裡面的自立生活也就是說現在身心障礙者他們要去受教的時候必須向教育部他們使用到了交通工具是交通部他們要去就業是向勞動部他們的長照是衛福部來管理我覺得分散這麼多對障礙者本身就是一個凌虐我希望我們行政院能夠下令成立統一窗口 |
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9071.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
9071.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
時間到 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
9112.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
9120.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
好,謝謝王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
9126.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
9141.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
謝謝卓院長。報告院會現在在議場二樓旁聽的是成功高中的同學,我們在此表達對他們的歡迎。那我們下一位質詢,邀請李燕秀委員質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
9152.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
9153.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
請卓院長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
9166.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
9193.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
議員好議員長好這個一路走來從在臺北市議會大學長你經歷了所有的角色資歷非常非常完整我們也期待你在行政院長任內表現可以跟過去一樣體恤民心站在民意的第一線喔好那我就今天我話不多說我直接因為時間非常短30分鐘我非常珍惜我今天質詢時間我長期關注相關的公費疫苗注射的接種部長當然邱太元 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
9195.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
9212.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
部長過去跟我都長期在慰喚,他長期知道我非常關注相關的疫苗政策。當然邱部長是加醫科的醫師,一定非常了解三段五期的醫療的照顧體系非常重要,特別是在初段的醫療照顧,它的CP值是最高的。 |
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9212.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
9212.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
﹚第11屆第14會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
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9254.52 |
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也是賴總統非常重視的一個相關在公共醫療政策相關的一些政策上他也非常重視他的意見所以他也辦了相關的臺灣論壇他也特別提到說在我們公共醫療政策當中比照我們現在國民醫療的健保的支出佔我們的GDP總比我們只有7.5日本有11.5韓國有10% |
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也就是說我們在醫療政策的支柱上相對的比較啞鈴國家我們相對是比較低的所以這個數字我想部長院長數字在那邊非常非常清楚所以接下來我就把我長期非常關注的幾項疫苗的政策我要請院長跟部長能不能支持 |
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特別是我們科醫學會臺灣科醫學會就在111年的時候就提到對於國中男性特別今天有成功高中也在現場可以公費注射HPV的疫苗的接種那我們都知道口腔癌HPV就是口腔癌的疫苗相關的疫苗口腔癌現在已經是全國男性的十大癌症之一那口腔癌其實他的病毒比較不容易被發現然後檢查也不是常規檢查容易發現的感染目前 |
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全世界58個國家都以公費疫苗在注射國中男性的接種疫苗那在臺灣目前我們有三個縣市也都有施打雲林縣澎湖縣跟嘉義市我去年在回到臺北市議會的時候我也建議蔣市長所以他今年9月份也要開始施打對於國中男性可以開始施打HPV疫苗這一塊 |
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我希望不要有城市的各縣市的落差那這個也是我們十大的這個癌症疫苗在男性排名比所以這一塊部長院長可不可以承諾我有機會我們來評估是不是全國我們有公費疫苗可以來施打針對HPV的部分謝謝報告委員我們日前有一個內部的討論針對這個議題有個討論那衛夫這邊有他的進程跟他的說明 |
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好謝謝院長首先感謝我們委員長期對我們民眾健康整體性的一個照顧的一個推動非常的敬佩那我們的總統跟院長其實都非常重視預防保證所以部長你只要直接回答有啊沒啊買啊買所以一定往這方面來努力那目前已經經過討論以後我們有將國中男生納入公會 |
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除了這個之外,我們今年50歲到64歲,因為我們 |
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﹗ |
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這是一塊我疫苗診所長期關注再次強調非常希望50歲以上都可以施打然後另外一個13架就是高風險群大家都知道有一些高風險群包括是糖尿病肝硬化慢性腎病跟癌症的患者如果有機會高風險群13架跟23架我們也可以公費施打的話我相信對於未來健保的支出長遠 |
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這都是預防醫療政策,也可以有一些節省進來。所以我也希望這方面我們可以有一個整體更進一步的規劃。院長可不可以?部長一定知道,以前在衛福文化這都跟同樣的想法,這個模式是一樣,所以院長可不可以朝這方向去思考?衛福已經針對這樣的議題有做過很多的研究了,但是衛福的這個進程還是要他說明一下。 |
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是的,我想委員所提的這些建議都是非常需要,都是很好的,而且對於國民的健康是正向的,所以我們一定好好仔細研議。好,部長最後一個啦,就是那個肥爪啦,帶狀性泡疹,院長你一定聽到啦。 |
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這個費用真的很高很高,我不敢說全國都可以公費施打,但我們也可以有第一步,也是高風險群,我們先試著來試辦一下,因為他一度被抓了帶狀性泡疹,他有可能是終身的疼痛,我不敢這樣,因為一劑五六千塊,第二劑八千塊,我們可不可以先試著 |
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﹚ |
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9548.727 |
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我們會以專家仔細來演繹 |
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好,謝謝部長。接下來我要關注產駕的部分。院長,我們台灣的孕婦的憂鬱症其實機率非常高,憂鬱症的部分其實高達兩成。我們都知道台灣現在女性晚婚的機率非常高,特別是我們現在憂鬱症的狀況, |
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高齡產婦七位產後的憂鬱症婦女有一位有可能會自殺按照數據上現在這是公開的數據所以我們現在針對於年輕人有心理諮商的免費所以我也希望說有機會幫孕婦也爭取有一萬塊的心理諮商的服務讓有需要的孕婦個人也好或者是一些新手有這些傾向的夫妻他也可以接受一些心理諮詢這個都是在打造 |
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為了促進 |
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部長,這個我都知道,但是這不夠,這心理諮詢、電話、電話跟以前張老師一樣,那個心理諮詢師的功能 |
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是不一樣的部長所以我要跟你強調因為我是女性我生過小孩所以我知道我曾經也有過一小小段時間有憂鬱症我也請教過心理諮商師所以我非常清楚知道他的重要性部長我們來研究看看好不好因為產後婦女的憂鬱症曾經有自殺的情況對孩子也不好我們每一個孩子只要照顧得好也要靠父母所以這個部分我們今天我們來訴考看看好不好有沒有機會 |
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我們一直在推動青少年的心理智商。前一陣子跟一些媽媽在討論這個事情的時候,他們倒有提到對孕婦的心理的輔導這個工作。我覺得我們可以應該要深入的去了解目前政府可以做更多更好的是什麼事情。 |
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所以院長有交代你要去思考這個經費上的資質心理諮商是我們看我們能怎麼做初步能怎麼看預算的執行但是我覺得要跨出第一步好不好好感謝部長那我接下來就要請那個勞動部的何部長 |
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院長因為我是女性我又生過小孩我非常知道打造育兒的環境我目前8週的產假以前是工廠法民國18年8週的產假過去是100民國18年的時候工廠法8週的產假我們現在是113年2024年我們還在8週的產假臨近國家其實都已經 |
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十週十二週十四週我不敢跟那麼多國家比但是不分朝野黨派的委員都覺得臺灣的產價產價事實上是要延長的所以我之前也到委員會去質詢過部長所以我有提出說薪資公共化 |
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你既然勞保波普也是一個改革的政策我更認為薪資公共化就是從波普開始跨出那第一步雖然我的版本是14週我覺得你們行政院也提出誠意出來無論你覺得可以10週12週那都是第一步這就是政府的決心 |
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我覺得臺灣現在少子化這麼少今年才13萬人家都在笑說臺灣的寵物登記都100多萬每年都100多萬所以我覺得值很重要讓婦女願意生小孩早一點結婚早一點生小孩這一塊我真的苦口婆心我們過去有許部長我們這一塊沒有做到我們又是一個女性的何部長我真的希望在產假的部分但是事實上完全沒有跨出第一步 |
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所以院長,你可不可以直接交代下去,要有一些競爭要進行討論。你們不是說要打開社會溝通嗎?人民優先誠意溝通。人民溝通的程序在哪裡?你根本都沒有溝通過。所以無論是跟產業界溝通,其實心智公共化就是內部溝通而已。 |
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﹚廣告 |
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院長可以嗎?不是跟我溝通喔!勞僱雙方,啊你撥補的話有時候就是你財主單位就可以撥補啊,你不要說勞僱雙方而已啦有時候產業界溝通是一塊,但是其他的手段,你有工具嘛 |
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對不對,一定,你很清楚嘛,你的資歷非常完整,所以我才說,你只要願意,你交辦下去,其實你們工具很多都可以做得到。好,因為我今天時間有限了,我知道,那其他的你薪資來,你也可以撥補嘛,因為他說撥補也是一個改革,勞保撥補也是一個改革,那你薪資,產價薪資公共化也可以用撥補的方式我們跨出那第一步。 |
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大家各退一步,我撥補一周,然後資方撥補一周,那也是一種方向嘛。這個就是談判的過程啦。阿不要再說不講,繼續講幾句報告。 |
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過去朝野黨派立委都提出很多版本出來但是從來沒有溝通過就是立院提立院高興了但是從來都沒有動過我不希望左行政團隊也是一個這樣子的團隊我對你有期許我們已經在討論在落實這樣子的討論了接下來院長因為我已經議題很多我接下來要問危老條例過去你是台北市議員 |
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曾經當過臺北市議員臺北全國可以更漂亮每次地震過後我們都說都更很重要我要提一個危老條例現在已經實施8年我們目前在危老條例重建數只有3600件我覺得院長每一個條例實施到一個階段的時候我們都要檢討為什麼3600件只有3600件你對3600件你滿不滿意 |
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你覺得可不可以更多更好?我們當然預期希望能夠高一點。對,那我們可不可以去檢視說他其實30年以上的屋齡房屋只在如果用30年屋齡以上房屋用3600件計算的話他只有達到萬分之七。所以危老條例當時是一個好的政策我們應該去檢討他到底問題出在哪裡?為什麼申請危老條例的人這麼少?臺灣都更的腳步這麼緩慢當然 |
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﹚國會議 |
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紅黃單其實我們有一些補助所以我覺得包括紅黃單他不是我不希望他只是因為0403的地震的補助當然補助我覺得全國都可以去檢視但是或者是你現在的政策工具就是降低他都更的門檻 |
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那除了降低渡客門檻以花蓮的天王星為例他之前在2018年的時候也被貼黃單後來施壓給混亂沒了黃單就撤了這一次今年的04、03地震之後他還是就傾斜了所以凸顯證明有時候擦肢抹粉其實效果還是有限真正要讓人民住的安全我們還是鼓勵重建 |
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所以說違老條例我一直要拜託部長拜託院長我們要去檢討就是說我們有什麼樣政策工具或者違老條例要不要去做調整讓人民的意願可以加快或意願更高比如說容居率的增加還有中繼住宅我們社宅裡面要有更多的中繼住宅讓改建的過程當中有地方可以住特別很多長輩你叫他說搬去很遠的地方做都更 |
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拜託您我們可不可以進一步的去做檢討 |
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是,非常謝謝委員關心。我想你點到重點,危老跟都更的部分,最大的重點是在於裡面居住的住民的溝通不足。如果你要降低整體的同意,我們可以做,其實除了溝通我剛剛講了,溝通其實是最難的,但是你的政策工具, |
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⋯⋯⋯ |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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因為現在包租代管的政策 |
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拜訪議員 |
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我下一個政策要問能源相關的狀況,院長最近很多委員關注能源政策, |
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能源政策已經不是我們在立法院在野黨關心,我相信執政黨也很關心,產業界也很關心,美國商會也很關心,要做AI,2028之後,不可能到2020光是做一個電廠,也要花5、6年的時間。光是做一個AI的企業投資,可能是一個AI的數據中心,它是花20億美金。 |
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如果是我投資一個上百億的產業我要放在臺灣我就不可能讓我的產業不確定性所以穩定的供電穩定的電價它是最大兩塊也是美國商會提到最重要兩件事情所以我如果投資20億上百億AI產業放在臺灣的話我希望它是一個長久可以讓我留在這邊的地方 |
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五十年前的政府可以看到有這個智慧可以看到台積電我也希望左政府賴政府可以看到臺灣未來有一個穩定供電你沒有穩定供電人家就是不來這是很現實的問題所以 |
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我當然了解委員的擔心但是我們也有我們的方式 |
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你現在說的東西沒有辦法說服大眾院長你現在你的說法沒有辦法說服大眾不要說臺灣對於桃園輪流供電小琉球在停電連美國商會都對於你們的綠能接下來合二合三不能演繹大家都想說到底電從哪裡來我投資一個上百億或20億美金的AI公司但是2030之後電不知道在哪裡人家當然會覺得我 |
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請部長說明一下。 |
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那等一下我的主題在下一個喔院長今天我關注到去年總統在選舉的時候他到台大去參加校園馬拉松的論壇他提有學生提到說打仗的時候電力中斷怎麼辦他說相關單位正在他當時是賴總統賴副總統他說正在規劃用核電作為緊急備用的選項 |
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打仗的時候電力中斷怎麼辦?他說用核電做緊急備用的選項。我要請問部長跟院長這件事情現在是不是還在持續討論當中?打仗的話電力中斷是不是還是用核電?你知道嗎? |
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第一個我們希望那個前提不會發生。我也不希望會發生,但是備戰你要有必要,現在還在備戰狀態嗎?核電作為緊急備用選項。這個是賴清德對學生說的,在台大說的。是,當時核三廠的運作是正常在運作,但現在我們面臨核三廠要處理的時候,那我們必須面對現在核三廠一號機要處理的問題。 |
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所以就不是核電了是不是?我現在要確認這個答案。打仗的時候,因為這是,我現在問你是賴清德講的,不是我講的。是,我也知道,核電廠除役是法定的年限,到了要除役。如果要研議的話,它必須經過一個安全檢查的程序。這個程序是3年半到5年,這個時間是不可以發電的。所以也就是說,打仗的時候電力中斷了? |
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這個3年半到5年是不可以發電這個核三廠的一號機所以也就是說好院長院長那我就接著你的話也就是說核二核三已經停役了所以如果打仗的時候電力中斷的時候我們也沒有所謂的核電機組做緊急備用的選項這個選項已經不見了 |
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我知道,我現在不是問你,因為當時的臺大學院說如果電力中斷怎麼辦,所以當時的賴副總統回答說有,我們是要把核電做暫時備用選項,所以我是拿當時賴副總統的話來問你們。所以你現在回答我的是說核電已經不是選項了。如果經過了安全檢查它還是一個可以用的話,那也許是一個選項,但目前這個程序無法開始啊。 |
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當然是國家會有準備的啊 |
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什麼準備?就是對核能你會有別的準備方式?這三、五年當中,核三廠和核二廠要運作來發電,目前看是沒有,在法律的限制下是不可能的。我尊重,我尊重,但是這個耐心的人,那我打仗的話,對於暫時打仗時的核能用電,你們的準備方向有嗎?我只問你有沒有? |
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他能夠經過安全檢查那是未來的問題所以我們有句話說未來的問題來解決今天的問題是有點困難我不希望打仗但是他有可能是是進程的問題院長他有可能是進程的問題所以我才問你選項他還是選項嗎那如果是打仗的話你剛剛講說三五年對於核三好了核三的 |
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和珊是選項 |
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三、五年當中他不可能發電所以打仗時間他也不會是選項他沒有辦法發電怎麼會是選項呢他是先停機然後檢查 |
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是時間到他就必須除役。除役五年前就要展開演講的就是他不會是選項嗎?所以當時我覺得賴副總統他不應該那他當時就不應該在台大跟學生這麼說因為他非常清楚和二和三身為副總統以前是行政院長三、五年在未來的核能有新的核能發展的時候那是又另外一種討論了 |
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議員的問題是三、五年內會打仗,那結果我們覺得這應該不是現在﹖我當然希望不是,但是我是說要備戰啊,所以我才問你嘛,所以我才問你嘛,隨時都要備戰,如果斷電力中斷﹖從現在的發電機組發展更多的綠能,但這個都是備案之一啊,可是我們發展更多的再生能源,這都是備案啊﹖ |
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院長我很不希望因為我們都非常我們都熟悉彼此非常久我都覺得這個問題我也不是在刁難你我只是不希望發生打仗我更不希望發生電力中斷但是這是去年賴副總統在選舉跟臺大學生的回應那我也很憂心萬一真的打上電力中斷我們的備用電是從哪裡來所以我不知道你們的準備方案是什麼我就幫國人所有的產業界請問你們 |
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最後一個 |
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部長跟院長那個前一陣子部長提到說未來要讓臺電自負盈虧不再撥補這個政策到底是不是行政院的政策也是賴總統的政策臺電要自負盈虧各部會要自己回到撥補除了穩住民生跟小家電用電未來大戶要讓他們自己去調整要調整電價這到底在電價部分是不是賴政府 |
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做政府的方向。先請部長說明。報告委員,這個電價的部分由這個電價審議委員來決定。所以這個 |
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這一部分是有法規定的。但是這個是你講的,未來要讓臺電自負盈虧,未來波普的部分,這個就未來要多調整大戶用電,然後讓這個臺電自負,這個要講求成本。你講求成本效益在民間企業我覺得有你的邏輯,但是這個是不是未來整個政府的方向? |
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未來各部會,醫院就由衛福部自己補,學校就由教育部自己補貼經費,然後未來就是多調整大戶用電,因為這個政策是沒有跟行政院討論過。院長你知道這個政策,你知道部長講過這個話嗎?沒關係來來來,我先問院長,沒關係沒關係來來來,部長你不要占用我時間,你一直講那個主席時間暫停。 |
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我剛剛說過我們請部長跟很多的閣員進來希望他用企業管理的精神來管理政府讓我們更有效率但是我想問說這個政策影響非常大所以我想知道這個是不是未來的整個用電的整個不再補 |
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院長我知道你要講什麼但是我覺得臺電 |
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來自企業界就是成本自行吸收這個我清楚他的邏輯重視成本效益我是清楚但是臺電肩負著國家不合理的能源政策買電買得很貴有很多過去的原因我就不再提了 |
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不是不合理的能源政策,國家發展綠能的政策。包括綠能我也支持,但是包括未來用電大戶的調漲對於整體的經濟影響也會非常大。這個你們自己去決定,但是從央行那邊他根本都不知道你要調整這件事情。所以我覺得一個沒有很成熟的政策丟出來其實是非常危險的啦。 |
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未來的電價還是以穩定民生的用電為最大的原則優先。那大用戶多負擔一點,我想在整個社會的觀感跟公平性來看也應該是正確的。好,院長我最後一個問,今年9月電價到底要不要漲?因為你上個禮拜回答其他委員說朝向穩定的方向,到底要不要漲? |
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當然是店家審議委員會在處理,但是基於總統的考量...行政院會,經濟部會送一個版本,審議委員會只是同意或不同意而已,到底9月份要不要講,因為院長,這個一講,央行可能又要升息,因為通膨會起來,央行都好緊張,所以這影響通膨權貴很嚴重,你的薪資今年漲3、4%,全部人民實施薪資全部都被吃掉了,所以實施薪資總薪資是倒退的。 |
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Yes or no for you. |
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好,謝謝我們 |
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時間大了,然後再請部長跟這個李委員做補充。我們謝謝李委員的質詢。下一位請陳雪生委員質詢。謝謝主席。是不是請行政院卓院長?卓院長請備詢。 |
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陳委員好陳委員早,首先恭喜您農任新任院長,非常高興今天主要大概有三個單元向你請教,一個是最重要就是馬祖大橋,那麼第二個是靶場,第三個就是土地的一個轉型正義我想提到馬祖大橋之前,先跟院長說明一下,馬祖原來小小的地方有兩座機場 |
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那麼這兩座機場都是軍用機場轉型的,我們的南竿機場原來是運輸機、空投物品用的,它大概有1500公尺,它在山頂上四面都是黃海,第二座機場在北竿機場,北竿機場跑到1150公尺,跑到非常的短。 |
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所以他的限載量72個人只能做50個人左右因為要視貨物的重量來決定那麼北竿機場成立以後大概飛機失事兩次飛機失事兩次大概我弟弟在內我親弟弟五個人一家全部罹難所以我在擔任立法委員的時候 |
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就極力推動飛安的問題也就是希望馬祖兩座機場能夠有一座標準的機場這兩座機場都是非常不安全的機場人家說布丹的機場是全世界最危險的但是我覺得我們馬祖兩座機場是不合格的機場所以才有這個山西機場一個合格機場的倡議飛行員飛馬祖都要兩位正駕駛才能夠飛 |
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那麼在蘇院長的時候已經提出來了提出來以後蘇院長也同意後來到陳建仁院長那麼這個機場最後北竿機場207億那麼也在陳院長任內已經把它合訂了他需要的工期需要7年3個月那問題來了上次在選舉期間一直針對掀蓋機場先做大橋 |
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所以執政黨的候選人不停提出質疑,但是本席對這個問題非常困擾。為什麼?因為我提出來的本來就是要先做馬祖大橋,這跟蘇院長也好陳建源院長也好,我們的意見是一致的。問題主控權不在我,也不在縣政府。這個機場的興建主要是民航局主政。 |
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大橋的興建是我們交通部的公路局主政所以不在縣政府那民眾提出來說興建北竿機場需要7年3個月那這一個空窗期他們要到南竿要坐船到南竿去坐飛機還有他們的機位還有他們在地人口的就業等等問題都提出了質疑所以縣長也跟我勒我們極力的也在 |
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對當地的民眾進行安撫當然一定會有配套的一個措施那麼執政黨候選人也質疑我就是說先做機場還是先做大橋那我的立場當然是先做大橋因為大橋把它完成以後然後這個可以把兩岸就是南竿跟北竿這個民眾能夠輸運當然不只是民眾的輸運這裡面軍事各方面的配電、水、電 |
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醫療、警政全部都結合在一起所以我希望先做馬祖大橋但是這個馬祖大橋,好現在我跟院長報告馬祖大橋我從106年開始推動我想跟院長報告的是學生從第三屆國大代表然後經歷了兩屆的縣長再經歷了四屆的立委我想 |
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一共26年執政的時間對馬祖最熟悉的對馬祖的宏觀、遠見應該是我本人所以我覺得這個基礎建設對馬祖來講是非常非常的重要所以在此特別跟院長提出報告那麼這個大橋106年我們希望加入前瞻建設計畫那麼時任院長的賴清德總統同意 |
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也同意,那麼臨江縣的南北方靠海大橋可行性評估還有綜合計畫經過我們全國最有名的也是供給力最好的四溪工程規劃公司他們承包經過兩年的鑽探可行性評估等等所有手續全部完備,全部完備那麼到了110年我們就開始抱怨了由交通部開始抱怨,縣政府開始抱交通部 |
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那麼到了110年,第三次抱怨,111年行政院秘書長有含附,說再檢討本案。就經費的部分,就公法的部分,也就是公法有沒有困難的部分,那麼提出來。那麼一直在裡面打太極拳,轉來轉去,上上下下,大概有三年的時間了。 |
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最後國發會公主委把他送到英國英商的奧亞納工程顧問公司他們得標再去評估做地倉班的公認但是據我的了解這個公司大概只有500萬去得標500萬怎麼樣去做鑽探對海底這不可能的事情所以他們回頭又來問世襲的施董說這裡面的問題在哪裡施董說沒有問題 |
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那在工程上技術上沒有問題的話我又去找了這個金門的王董金門大橋的城商王董我說你多少錢能飆他300億一定得飆當然今天核定的是可信性評估是288億他300億一定可以所以我評估最近公財上講缺工等等350億應該沒問題那我們的評估也就分10年因為這供給要10年 |
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我想由我們公路總局分十年一年大概不過35億我想政府非常重視偏鄉離島我想是不是請院長能夠幫忙找一日核定因為把大橋的案子找一日核定因為機場已經核定了我希望順序上能夠做一點調整先做大橋大橋做好以後北竿跟南竿的民眾就互通了 |
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互動以後開始做北竿機場的建設北竿機場的建設完成了我們南竿機場把它廢掉或是做其他的用途因為它的面積蠻大的那這樣子的話讓馬祖未來的子孫給他們留下一條非常好的後路這是最重要的基礎建設我希望我們院長能夠育成我想現在也是我的好朋友 |
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我們今天當然你當院長我非常高興在民間的時候我們也非常的相處非常的融合那麼這個長程主要大概3.1公里攻擊他講是8年但是我評估要10年10年左右賴總統在行政院長的時候到馬祖去他也做了很多的承諾他說經費不是問題 |
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經費不是問題,院長曾經講,然後在副總統候選人到馬祖去的時候曾經提示過,攸關馬祖未來百年發展大切的橋是馬祖人應得的,大橋按在自己的手中推動,一定會全力促成。 |
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我想賴總統在院長的時候講的話,在副總統的時候講的話,我想他一起來記得。那麼卓院長到馬祖區的時候,我也跟卓院長當面也報告這個案子。我想卓院長也非常認真努力,也希望能夠觸及實現。那現在我是不是請賴院長觀賞一段影片。這段影片是我們這個橋如果做成了大概是什麼樣的一個地貌。 |
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馬祖大橋建設串聯南北竿,整合南北竿資源,銜接主要空運及海運廠站。串聯馬祖地區景點,整合舊衣、舊學、舊業資源,公職水深及初步地質調查。海域最深達60公尺,其餘水深落在30至40公尺。 |
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海床覆土深,以東側較淺,西側較深。橋址大多覆土為10公尺以內。 |
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復土層下方,其為堅硬岩層,東側淺,西側深。公址鄰近既有南北竿機場。受到機場未來發展的限制,橋面及附屬設施限高為海平面上57公尺。橋樑跨越既有航道,橋下需滿足通航高度之需求。馬祖大橋,採用粵粒混凝土相形樑橋。 |
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畫徑約140到200公尺起點位於南竿環保路規劃設置P字路口岔出橋面設置中央格欄雙向各一快車道及一機慢車道寬一公尺人行道 |
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橋下航道採雙孔單向配置並設置導航及防撞設施大橋向北連接北竿尼姑山西路後進入陸域段範圍陸域段配合地形以陸體及橋樑形式配置 |
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總點則銜接至白沙港南碼頭。馬祖大橋建設將提供南北竿全天候、快捷、穩定、運輸的路廊、 完善馬祖地區道路交通網、串聯南北竿一日生活圈、 促進馬祖地區的觀光發展。 |
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馬祖大橋優美的外形搭配在地壯闊的海景將成為馬祖最吸引人的地標。馬祖歡迎名單列領。好,謝謝院長。澎湖有個澎湖到西宇的大橋。金門有大金門到小金門的大橋。我前天又從金門大橋又走了一遍。那麼 |
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我想我們偏鄉離島大金門連接小金門金門的土地馬上就漲了我想馬祖南竿是我們政經中心那麼現在土地已經飽和了蓋旅館蓋不下去了現在不是一味難求馬祖在看藍眼淚的時候不是一味難求而是一個住屋難求你要去租一個房間很困難所以他已經發展到極限了需要北竿的土地那麼來做三星級的旅館 |
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我想從這個澎湖大橋也好,金門大橋也好,我在在我想我們馬祖未來長遠的計畫,我希望把這個橋連貫起來,把北竿的土地做最有效的開發。那麼蘇院長曾經講過一句話,蘇賢院長講說,我們要做,要做得比金門更好。那麼這個東坯的這個王董啊,為什麼?要去邀標啊。 |
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不要說等一下288億、300億、你講了400億沒有人來標等一下這個問題就出來了至少起碼有一家了嘛是不是所以我覺得我非常的放心所以工人技術上的問題我想殷商大概八九月份資料就回來我評估殷商他只有500萬得標他這裡面有很多的機具要測試海底、海床等等的一些東西海流、水流等等所以他都要從試起來 |
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施希是我們國內頂尖的顧問設計公司施董也不停的跟我講絕對沒有問題絕對沒有問題那麼經費我想350億左右啊2818我們給他漲到350億好了黃董則說只要300億他就來做所以我想這個院長我們也是好朋友你現在也是老長官所以我想聽聽您對這個大橋的看法 |
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謝謝委員首先對委員令地跟家屬遭遇空安的問題我們表示非常的遺憾但也因為這樣子知道委員長期關心非安的問題所以對北幹機場南幹機場委員的關心我們都非常的清楚那現在北幹機場已經要進行整件的改善照委員所說要7年3個月將近8年的時間要整件改善這個北幹機場 |
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那至於馬祖大橋從一開始大家到現場看經過工程單位顧問單位去看看結果他確實存在很多工程技術上的複雜以及對這種海事工程的重大的挑戰這個目前都是還在很慎重的評估當中當然過去我們到現場去看都認為有一個橋就是連接南北竿 |
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南崗機場未來的走向如何? |
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市長現在問題在我們的機場已經核定了,它大概建設計畫需要兩年到三年的時間。 |
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會議拜託委員長是不是在最近等殷商的評估回來以後,第三方的公正報告出來以後,能夠趕快把馬祖大橋合定。我也希望在順序上馬祖大橋先建,建得差不多的時候我們再來啟動北竿機場的興建計畫,所以這樣子的話也沒有政治上的問題出現。 |
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因為民眾他覺得會恐慌,為什麼他要到南竿來坐船?八年的時間不是短短的三年或是兩年,他可以忍耐,所以這一點我想請院長幫忙好不好?因為時間的關係我想,沒關係部長我在交通委員會我還可以再探討好不好?因為時間的關係。下面的問題就是北竿長崎靶場牽涉到國防部。 |
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這個靶場跟院長報告,它在我們的淡黃區,這個淡黃區的周邊是什麼呢?是國中、國小、衛生所、鄉公所、運動中心、運動場也在那裡,靶場就在正中央。這個靶場你看能不能夠存在,就您的眼光去看,我這樣跟您的敘述,這個靶場在這些東西的中間,你看行不行,你看。 |
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國防部因為它是北甘地區唯一完整的輕重兵器的實彈設計訓練靶場所以如果說要 |
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要把它拿掉的話,我們要求一定是要有另外一個新的靶場。那所以現在是在封山這個地區有找到一個適合靶場的一個預定地。我想我也應該是很清楚。但是這個靶場在召開這個說明會的時候好像也有部分不同的這個意見。所以我們是秉持待拆待建先建後裁。就是說我們一定要有一個 |
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部長,您知道這個方案要多少錢嗎?待拆待建要多少錢?您知道嗎?待拆待建,我們現在評估好像是兩塊地,AB兩塊地,這個有一塊地是4億多我告訴你,第一個方案是5億,第二個方案是10億,現在的靶場 |
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就是一個把鉤,貼幾塊紙,然後阿兵哥在距離100公尺到200公尺放個沙包,槍架在上面,啪啪啪啪啪,打共匪打不死啊,打我們自己,打那個把兵啊,一槍就命中了,準得狠,準得狠啊,正中央腦袋,這樣一個破破爛爛的靶場, |
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你要先政府待拆待建而且還要先建後拆這怎麼可能我已經提了8年了歷任國防部長我都提了院長您看看你這個東西值得5億或是10億嗎他有一個臺灣地區地方政府舉辦公共工程拆遷國軍營區設施處理原則這個原則要改這個原則不改國防部鐵板一塊一定要待拆待建 |
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我曾經在邱部長任內我告訴他我們的國中蓋好了我們的醫院蓋好了運動中心蓋好了我不讓靶場在裡面打任何一發子彈打的話我把民眾排在那邊睡覺躺在馬路上我們國防安全國軍的訓練是非常重要的我已經講了八年了嘛你們都不動這裡不是台南的砲兵學校台南砲兵學校可以蓋五個現代化的靶場 |
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部長,您可能不知道吧,所以院長你說說看,這個巴掌擺在這裡一定不可以嘛,怎麼可以勒?一定要牽走嘛,那你現在說先見後差,然後來個待差待見,你叫縣政府拿你來的錢? |
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我們當然會關心居民生活的安寧跟學生的安全,這個一定要關心的。那你說8年到現在至少國防部的進度我所了解他已經提出了兩三個地區在場地在做選擇,他們選擇了其中的一件就是封山地區,那現在這個經費的問題還在做一些評估。這個要請主席出另外撥款,你按照這個原則不改,這個原則不改他把場就不拆。 |
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他就不走,他就不走。不走的話,軍民一定發生衝突嘛。馬祖是軍民感情最融合的一個地方。 |
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院長,他第一個方案要五億。 |
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第二個方案要10億,你那個靶場值5億嗎?我看值五千萬都還不值得啊。哈?你要我戴劍,笑死人啊。全場所有的首長們來評評你嘛。第一個你要不要搬走?第二個新的靶場應該比較好的設備而不是只是把它這樣拆了以後就隨便找一個地方。那個地啊,裡面還有老百姓的地在裡面。所以要再進一步的溝通啊。所以這個我想請院長重視一下好不好? |
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我每次提啊,每次都不理我。那現在我們已經有程度,跟委員報告至少有一個地點,我們就在做努力。蘇院長那時候總書記我也提了。陳建元院長那時候我也提了。那國防部都不理啊,就以這個理由,以這個原則,准此原則辦理。地方的指揮官也是這樣,他也沒辦法啊。所以這個拜託一下,部長。您回去研究一下,我覺得如果有困難啊,你要跨部會的請行政院主席或是財政部啊,要專案撥款給你來處理這個事情。 |
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第三個問題就是土地的公平正義。報告院長你知道阿兵哥跟國有財產局在馬祖佔領我們多少土地你知道嗎? |
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你不知道我來跟你報告在馬祖地區的公有土地的比例是比較高百分之八十都是他們的啊我們縣政府啊老百姓只有百分之十幾還有未登陸的土地動不動啊國產署去告我們老百姓我們還想告他咧我們還想告國產署欸你是強盜啊你是土匪還是強盜比共產黨還壞啊是不是可以這樣嗎我們都口不出惡言我都不想去講這個話了 |
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財政部你可以這樣子搞嗎?上次已經質詢過一次,部長你也上台了我有請你回答嗎?你們回去以後我最近了解只有兩個案了現在國產署告老百姓的只剩下兩個案我說那很好啊,我非常窩心什麼事你知道嗎?一共二十幾個案有二十個案判老百姓輸全部都是輸沒有一個贏的 |
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我真的想跳樓啊我氣死了你不知道我氣得想跳樓啊你們國產署哪來的地嘛你阿兵哥哪來的地嘛我爸爸也是軍人啊到那邊也是強占民地住的啊我是這麼生出來的勒我在老百姓的房子生出來的勒我自己本人啊你們阿兵哥哪來的地現在因為預官懂得寫字81年80年 |
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以前是實施戰地政務80以後馬祖哪有什麼地震事務所啊陳雪生下雪的時候生的陳耳聾是耳朵聾了陳瞎眼是眼睛瞎了名字是正本來的啊是不是那你們現在這樣子登記一個是62年的問題嘛62年才成立地震局才給馬祖老闆登記土地你現在要他說要舉證 |
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82年要舉證,老頭子已經走光了,怎麼舉證嘛,法院就這麼判,還教你們國產署,你們不告就獨執,還叫你們去告,這什麼法官啊?我以前相信司法獨立,我現在不相信了,司法獨什麼利啊? |
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跟委員報告,我想在這個地方有關馬祖地區要申請只有返還土地的部分,其實國產人數都是從寬的處理,所以整個來說返還的國有土地已經超過4000多筆,那只是說有一些因為有很明確的一個了解就是說政府曾經是有 |
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部長,我跟你報告,你說的話我一句都聽不下去,你要以行動來表示,國產署實在窮凶惡極,實在窮凶惡極我跟你講 |
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你們是管理機關,軍備局只是使用機關,回去跟你們國產署署長好好討論一下好不好?要有慈悲的心,這個地是你們的嗎?你們自己摸摸良心,對得起自己嗎?你們要摸摸良心,好不好?請你回去。報告委員,我們這個法治的社會,部長剛剛所說的國產署一定是基於我們曾經有長的購買, |
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院長,我們老百姓沒念書欸,你法治的社會趕緊講法條。徵請人在暫用時間沒有完整的這個時間才會去提出議議,否則我們都是在依照這個馬祖地區土地申請條例裡面來做依法的處理吧。好,因為時間的關係好不好,那部長你請回,我想請衛福部部長跟院長報告,我們最近馬祖民眾送來的都會做斷層掃描 |
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緊急醫療護送馬祖不是部立醫院在選舉的時候曾經有人講說馬祖要部立醫院馬祖有馬祖特殊的一個環境好,我們現在的斷層掃描用了幾年院長知道嗎這是全世界全中華民國最舊的一部電腦斷層20年了斷層造完以後拿到台灣來,到醫院去看不清楚 |
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再重蹈一次這種輻射對人體的傷害我們還不談,浪費時間嘛,搶救生命嘛,是不是?所以院長我拜託今天部長也在齁,送我們一台斷人掃描好不好?部長研究看看怎麼樣提高馬祖地區我們的醫療水準跟服務我們會做成使用計畫報到衛福部來,是不是請部長幫個忙,送我們一台斷人掃描,不要! |
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在那邊照完以後,送到這邊來上船,船裡又模模糊糊,看不清楚啊。再照一次。報告委員,我想我也會跟我們馬祖那邊的醫界都是好朋友,我再來跟他討論,說現在的情況是怎麼樣。一定要讓馬祖的民眾得到相當好的一個儀器來檢查治療。好,我想謝謝院長。謝謝院長,你請回答。謝謝部長。院長。 |
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還有一個事,高雄飛馬祖航線,我還要請你幫忙,馬祖有兩座機場,那從臺灣到馬祖這是你們交通部的事嘛,是行政院的事嘛,難道要老闆去買飛機或縣政府買飛機來運載客人嗎?不可能嘛,所以你們有刑的便利,有刑的責任吧,是不是? |
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所以最近開了很多的會,我也要求交通部,拜託他們。新的部長也非常的謙虛、非常的客氣。我拜託他們,你找民航局找這些,看看怎麼做嘛。你用包機,他一趟要72萬來回。72萬一張票等於是多少呢?要5000塊。5000塊觀光客怎麼肯來?是不是? |
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公安科一直講說希望弄高雄飛馬祖的航線一直的提我想請院長或是部長你回答我一下好不好報告委員我知道馬祖的航班一向都是一票難求的機會時間相當長而且受天候的控制相當不穩定那是不是交通部跟這個航空業者能夠來進一步的寫下看怎麼樣提高馬祖的運鏈我想在交通委員會曾經質詢過你嘛就希望一個月以內啊 |
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部長您認真一點督促民航局把這件事情促成,對觀光也好,我們那邊阿兵哥有一半是住在高雄東南部的 |
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阿兵哥也不停的在叫,觀光客也不停的在叫,我們鄉親也講說要去高雄玩,去佛光山去等等,所以都沒有飛機可以搭啦,好不好?現在有請林國憲次長找民航局還有觀光署大家再找一個最佳的這個方案。是的,謝謝部長好不好。院長,您也可以協助嗎? |
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我們一定請交通部盡力來促成這個提高馬祖航空運量的這件事情。好,因為時間的關係,那就謝謝院長、部長,你們辛苦了。好,謝謝陳委員,謝謝卓院長。報告院會上午質詢到此為止。本次會議未有委員提出臨時提案,就不進行臨時提案之處理。下午2點30分繼續開會進行質詢,現在休息。 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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好,感謝院長。那有請行政院長卓榮泰上臺備詢。院長,少子化是國安危機。這個蔡前總統的定調目前有沒有改變?過去賴總統 |
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報告委員會現在我們繼續開會在進行質詢之前我們先請秘書長報告下午部會所長請假情況。報告委員會行政院政務院長立軍本日下午因病請假。報告完畢。接下來我們首先請蔡易瑜委員質詢。 |
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謝謝院長。那我們是不是有請我們卓院長以及我們外交部,我們林部長。麻煩請外交部備群。那也請這個國防部部長。麻煩請國防部備群。蔡委員好。院長好。 |
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院長,昨天看到國防外交委員會的質詢,我想說立法委員現在,人家說立法委員變太上皇了,質詢是上對下,這就已經會誇張了。現在又看到這個中華民國的領土,然後把蒙古也包括進去。 |
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現在我們在蒙古這個國家,我想請教院長,我們蒙古是一個國家吧?對阿,就是一個國家,獨立的一個國家嘛。那中華民國也承認蒙古是一個國家。 |
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我總是1946年承認對沒錯1946年所以已經很清楚了嘛所以現在說我們這一部憲法的一個概念本來大法官解釋328號他也說這個領土的問題本來就是屬於高度政治的他屬於一個 |
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國家的一個統治問題他不宜由憲法來做一個定義阿所以你現在整個國際的情勢來講人們蒙古是一個國家然後跟我們互相設有代表處阿大家都是有很深的一個交易這沒有問題吧是的我們外交部也是也都是這樣的主張嘛對我們在那裡有設處都沒有問題阿人們1946年我們中華民國就先說這個外蒙古就是一個獨立的國家 |
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2002年的時候行政院還批准了把所謂臺灣地區大陸地區類然後把這個外蒙古這個把它拿掉2002年的時候 |
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2017年的時候我們還正式廢止了蒙藏委員會基本上這都是對於蒙古這樣的一個國家那過去的時候曾經有這樣模糊的概念然後對這個國家是不尊重的所以我們改變了這些事然後我給大家院長報告啦我就是台蒙國會會長 |
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我昨天已經打得很清楚了 |
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中華民國現行有效統治的地區就是臺豐金馬。對,我們也沒有要反攻大陸。所以我以前有外交的年齡,所以我說我要訂什麼反攻大陸特別條例,我是在諷刺富坤起。 |
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的兩兆花東建設條例,我雖然在反諷,結果還真的有人腦袋裡面還真的在想反攻大陸,而且他指的這個大陸還包括外蒙古,我這個是無法想像,所以我這個變成說,我的答案 |
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一定報告啦我八月十五我要跟一團震撼交響樂團長是孟義超震撼交響樂團然後我們要到外蒙古去因為這個交響樂咧他就是推廣要讓世界聽到台灣的聲音那他們今年要到蒙古這個國家然後我是 |
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我會在那一團擔任副團長,我也要去那裡,然後會到蒙古的國會,然後可以在他們的議會廣場,然後去沿走我們台灣的國境,甚至去他們的那個,他們的草原,大草原那邊,去做那一些台灣的一個宣傳,所以大家都這樣拼多久呢? |
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本來我想說如果變多高,這是不分藍綠、不分台灣的政治,是大家要團結。怎麼昨天會有人在我們集團還沒處理,就坐在蒙古這樣講新編中華民國的一部分,擋破冷水。 |
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謝謝委員辛苦維持臺盟關係做了很多的努力那委員對蒙古的歷史跟現狀都很了解 |
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或許委員現在最近究竟要去的時候可以邀幾位對蒙古不熟悉歷史跟現狀的委員同行,讓他們增加對蒙古的了解。好,我來聊一下看看,他應該要去,我來聊一下。好,那是不是請林部長跟顧部長可以先回,那我下一個議題再請交通部的李部長。 |
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院長我第二個議題是想跟院長來聊一下我們的這個大車的大型車的煞車的系統那這個大型車的煞車系統我在去年2月的時候我召開一個協調會那這個協調會主要的協工事實上在過去的時候我們很多大型車他的煞車系統跟他的就是說他的檢驗報告所要求的煞車系統跟他的實車是不一致的 |
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在去年2月的時候我召開這樣的協調會那所以在去年2023年10月的時候那有做了一個檢討那檢討就是說以後出廠的車輛都必須要加注以下事項那這個就是必須要加注它的車軸那車軸就是有碟煞跟鼓煞嘛 |
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那第二個要加注電子控制單元,第三個要加注這個煞車的這個分拱,那第四個是除氣筒,第五個是駐車法,第六是快放法,跟第七是懸吊系統,要加注這七個系統。那也就是說你只要加注了這樣七個系統勒,至少我們在外面的車,它跟它出廠所要求這種大型車,它所需要的煞車系統會一致。 |
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我們這個的目的當然是希望減少大型車輛發生事故的時候所造成的一個死亡但是我們來看客觀的數字 |
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二、四、七人 |
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那到了2023年也就是去年的時候他更是攀升到了2085件跟2522人所以我想要請教院長以及部長你們來判斷一下說那我們這麼的努力那為什麼這樣大型車發生事故的次數仍然增加此三個人數仍然是在逐年攀高中這到底是為什麼 |
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好,來請部長 |
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各位委員報告我想有兩個部分一個是大型車通常轉彎都會有內輪叉所以這個部分我想在現在在新車出廠我們就要求他一定要裝相關內輪叉等等的這些預警的這個系統那另外一個就是這個易引車連結車他這個防鎖死煞車那現在有發現有一些出廠的這個他的安裝的那個那個 |
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所以我想齁 |
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交通部上這件事很努力的我剛說逐年攀高是一個客觀數字那我們也知道我們交通部去年我們編了3億3千萬然後要整合大型車的預警系統那 |
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規劃在今年要起碼要有800部嘛,800車的車輛。所以預警是一個很重要的事,預警。但是煞車系統才是真正關鍵會不會發生事故以及會不會造成死傷。所以我可能再用下一頁來看一下一個影像。來,你來看這個。這是發生在淡水的。它整台車是動不了的,一直撞的。 |
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所以這個影像是呈現的是這樣,整台車都沒掉。好,來我們再下一個影像。好,這個是。請看後面這邊。馬上停下來。馬上停下來。所以我們,這個是在國外喔? |
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所以看到這兩個例子你就看到說我們在國內竟然有已經有前面有車子已經在阻塞了他是停不下來的繼續往前衝然後你看國外的竟然有辦法看到小朋友瞬間停下來這個以這一個大型車因為大型車主要是有分為前面的車跟後面的這一個拖運的部分的車身的部分所以他是很難 |
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把他煞車下來的,因為我們知道牛頓慣性地律嘛,你頭上車,你頭上車動,你後面的東西,那個慣性還是往前衝啊,那往前衝的結果,就是說這種車內就會有發生折乾車啦。 |
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所以事故還是發生所以我舉了這樣就是說以現在的科技要來克服到整個煞車的一個系統現在的科技已經逐步在進步但是逐步的進步的這個同時我們卻看到了說現在在台灣所上路的車輛 |
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卻還是參差不齊。好,這樣就來到我現在要說的重點了。就是說,你看看我們的法規是長這樣喔。我們依法規是照一公路法63條第五項的車輛行事安全審驗的管理辦法,然後在它的附件42 |
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知事那以及附件43附件42就是動態煞車系統附件43就是防鎖死煞車系統然後這兩個煞車系統他們在97年前是完全沒有在100年的時候有一個關鍵就是100年前的這樣的一個規定沒有規定要設這個駐車法跟快車法 |
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註冊法,註冊法就是說,他有頭枕車跟後面車,你頭枕懂,你後面要對著那個,也要懂,所以這個就要有註冊法。啊你如果這個快放法,那就是你的座位,因為現在我們都是用氣壓的,所以他會有氣結的產生,所以他的煞車就會變得會頓掉的,所以他要有這個快放法。 |
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那在90、100年前是都沒有。100年後的法規就強制規定要有註冊法跟快放法。 |
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好,那在107年,就是現在的法規到了432以及424,它更規定了說,你氣囊式的一個懸吊,你就必須要有VSF。啊VSF咧,這就是車輛穩定性的電子控制系統。啊它也是要控制它後面的車,它的方向跟它的翻覆的平衡。所以這種種的設備,基本上就是要有車輛可以合計。 |
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好,所以我剛剛列舉起來就有幾個時間點。97年前都沒有規定。18年前沒有註冊法跟快放法。107年前沒有VSF。 |
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﹗ |
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用公務預算協助這一些過去他們也是有檢驗合格可是他們檢驗合格卻確實存在著可能車廠沒有把他們如實安裝那可能過去的法規沒有安裝這樣的一個配備造成他們車輛是沒有辦法水停車的就是有這樣現實上就是有這樣的狀況看到總控我要動我的後面我的車道在這裡我也是車好 |
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阿我們有沒有辦法像剛剛所說的我們有預警系統那我們能不能協助他們把煞車系統也來做一個改善呢? |
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跟委員報告如果是屬於車廠他安裝的時候或是出廠的時候的承諾事項那這個部分還是要請車廠要負責召回那把他這個補齊才能檢驗合格我想這個部分是一個通案性的原則之前也有一批機車發現他的這個煞車系統也有一些問題當時有8萬多輛也都有召回的這個狀況那如果說是都有合格照他當時的承諾 |
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對,因為部長這就是講時代進步、科技在進步但是法規是後面隨著科技有了新的配備 |
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我主要用這麼多時間我會覺得說 |
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有請我們行政院院長 |
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再請卓院長備選 |
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好,院長我們從總統的520就職的講稿到您的這個施政的簡報,我覺得獨缺一項,我也不曉得政府現在面對少子化這個議題是什麼樣的看法?他是已經嚴重到是所謂稱為國安議題呢?還是說少子化國安議題這是一個民間的認知? |
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而政府他不認為他是一個國安議題,院長你怎麼看少子化,因為在520就職的講稿到您的施政報告都缺了對少子化的因應。 |
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報告委員少子化不僅是個人是家庭是社會更是國家面臨的重大的問題我們已經提升到國安的層次0到6歲0到22歲都有相當多各個不同的補助的措施那本期就要跟你檢討這個補助的措施我們花了很多錢 |
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一年平均1200億不等到現在執行5年多107年到113年今年是這個少子化因應計畫的截止年我也將近花了5000多萬5000多億了5000多億一年1200億那現在的第5年也花了將近5000多億了但是我的這個少子化的狀況有沒有減少沒有反而更形嚴重所以幾個 |
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幾個我們重點在2018年的時候這個數據為什麼它是國安議題2018年的時候我國的死亡人數已經正是高於出生人數了而且在去年2023年的世界競爭力的年報也把本國認為人口成長率視為弱勢項目那所以呢在本席辦公室這邊我們了解這個是政府的少子化對策計劃107到113 |
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我要提出這樣的一個表格是國發會這邊提供的每個勞動人口撫養人數比數值是越來越大壓力越大什麼叫做勞動人口依照本國的定義是15歲到65歲好這樣的總撫養比我們從20這個表格2024年到我的16年後2040年所以撫養總撫養比當中我100塊我 |
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今年算出今年的這個預的計算是我花100塊我扶養小孩我會100塊有17.39是花在扶養小孩我扶養老人我是花了27.89也就是2024年今年我們國家對於國人的總扶養比我花100塊有45.28是在扶養 |
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﹗ |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
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就是我的從17.39一直降到15.82但是我的老人的撫養比是從今年的27.89預估會在16年後是達到51.17 |
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所以這個那再來看除了這個對於我們人口數少的勞動連我們的人口的這個勞動人口也在減少的情況之下他所要負擔的扶幼跟扶老幼也大幅的成長 |
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所以我們從人口結構其實是國安議題與其要講說我少子化是國安議題本身我們整個臺灣的人口結構就是一個國安議題好但我今天重點是在少子化我們的少子化這邊呢從110年的總生育率0.98一直到112年前年的統計是0.86所以平均生 |
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0.98個小孩一直降到每年一個人生0.865個小孩 |
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好那這樣的預算呢是我們有107年到113年分的77個分項我們花了5000多億那大部分都是用在哪裡呢?經貼補助初期的育兒經貼托育及就學補助後期我們是放在住宅補貼我們1200億每年就是花在這上面 |
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好,那這個本行認為要增加生育率,我們對婦女她在產前的時候是不是應該多一些資源,包括她的心理諮商、生理的理療。 |
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我這邊具體建議那也請院長參考一下新加坡他們最新的對於生育的特色做法第一個 |
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因為我們現在晚婚所以導致我的生育率當然也降低所以我鼓勵他早婚的情況之下能夠讓他在21到35歲的單身女婿忍凍卵子這是新加坡的做法政府補助費用第二個改善生育的環境母親的有薪產價是16週我們台灣現在是8週那父親的有薪賠產價我們是一週在新加坡是4週第三個 |
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這是我認為可以真的可以借鏡的所得稅的減免針對我職業婦女的部分我如果生第一胎新加坡的做法我減他總收入的15%減稅第二胎我減20%第三胎減25%最高可以達到減到60%針對職業婦女那我認為這可以在本國是可以擴大研議的 |
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只要是他的總收你只要這個家庭收了生第一胎我的這個總收入的所得的不管是他個人所得或者是家庭的總收入等等相關的稅額的減免是一種這個整個家庭這個父母之間的一個總收入來做減免 |
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我覺得本國是可以做這樣,不是只限於職業婦女。第四個,我40歲以下的婦女指定公立醫院的人工授育,人工授育是很貴的。政府他們是有補助到75%。這四項我都認為本國應該在你每年花1200億下個階段的時候,所以我說你到底認不認定它是國安議題。 |
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那您新的內閣上來,您是不是有再一次的6年的對少子化的因應計畫呢?現在是本期看不到的。以及我這個青年住宅是應該納入我的配婚年齡,包括子女數,我都應該讓他跟我的這個少子化跟購屋住宅應該要相連結。 |
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所以針對我現在針對新加坡的這四項的做法跟我們青年住宅納入這個少子化的這個獎勵因此不知道院長您認為在您有沒有啟動下階段的這個少子化的因應政策這是第一個第二個您的做法是不是願意在這幾項當中也納入延益呢 |
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院長﹖ |
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既然是國安議題就要非常手段的因應。現在你做了任何的公共建設,包括我們講到我們現在的國軍,以後也沒有人要當國軍了。因為我們少子化哪來的國軍呢?我們現在是工業也缺人,服務也缺人,農業也缺人。 |
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國營事業應該攜手穩定人員的供應 |
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我們這個特別我聚焦在天然氣我們90%的人員是仰賴進口在明年的時候我們天然氣的發電佔比是佔50%所以呢既然都是天然氣都是從國外進口而他在我的佔比打50%的時候本席認為強化人員自主 |
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多元分散採購降低人員的風險在我們現在特殊的地緣政治下的運輸模式就是成為國家人員穩定的潛在這個漏洞那我們小科普一下目前的國際物資的運送有兩者一個叫DES一個叫FBDS就是賣方我現在跟台灣跟這個卡達來購買那 |
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﹗ |
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沒有下貨前都是屬於礦組的這句話是重點好那如果是我們改為我方的話對FOB的話那變成是我只要訂貨從對方的礦組的港口我一提貨就是屬於我方的好但是呢我們現在呢中油所用的呢就是DS完全掌握在這個礦組的手上 |
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好,那現在呢,礦主用了他的車子之後,當然船是他的啊,他當然是可以自己做決定啊,所以在商業交易當中,我們的船東啦,貨主啦,船長是有權利尊重當時船長的當機決定,可以拒絕進入到本國的。好,所以呢當外籍商用船遭遇到極端的這個狀況,他可以全數返航。 |
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不進入到本國卸貨賣家也就是我們天然氣的礦組他們是可以免責的那國家的供電我們有50%的天然氣完全就是掌握在國外人的手上好我提出兩個議題這個請您事後了解一下在我們多次軍援當中我們天然氣運輸的進入本國的狀況是什麼遶到還是在外海停滯 |
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還是有這個就是返回目的地本身目前就是繞道跟停止外本席所了解但是我想還是由你還是來了解一下至少這個的嚴重性我其實是在這幾次軍演當中我國面臨到天然氣竟然是竟然有這麼高的不可控 |
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那另外面對金遠跟軍事封鎖國際也有案例還是只有自己的國籍的船才願意運輸我們國家的必要物資只要是外籍船隻他一定都帶著他們的這個帶著我們訂購的物資返回原本地我講的是國際都有案例 |
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﹚一、 |
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國防部也這個國安會也自己出來講話五二零之後這都是公開報導五二零之後臺灣面對軍演軍演的這件事情是只會屢日之巨增那你天然氣是全部都是來自進口啊 |
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好那另外一個議題就是說我們天然氣有長約跟極其短約有長約就是10年到20年極其短約呢是一天這個每日到一年那當然這個長期約呢是以期貨來約定極其短約呢是以市場的價格那到包括在二物戰爭的時候我們的短約是天價的好不管是長約或短約都可以是用買方的FOB或者賣方的DS來執行好我想到價格 |
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﹗ |
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﹚國際短約租金20萬 |
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而且是現貨的那就是這樣的高價所以呢在中油當中才但是呢現在中油只有4艘這個我們有國際船來執行它的價格長約的價格是期貨來算它每艘每天是8萬美元你看8萬美元跟32.5跟我現況的現在的飆漲是20萬差了快3倍到4倍不等啊 |
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好 所以本行是具體主張我們這個時間的關係我希望我們現在目前我直接跳到這個我的建議方案那過去都是中油說好我來運那台電在今年他也說我也可以運那中油的時候過去為什麼反對台電運因為他怕說我運的這個台電你運的這個天然氣來你要搶食我國內的天然氣市場所以我就把這個阻絕掉了 |
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只要臺電開放讓臺電也購買因為他自己也在公開的他們發言人也講他們可以購買那我就把現在中油30%是採這種現貨採購的這30%全部移為臺電來用而且限定臺電你只能作為發電所用 |
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原來的70%採常約的中油的份你繼續做你回來你運到國內之後你還是可以做你的國內的天然氣市場那現在的問題是還要加上航港局那我們呢在要國企國運國家對經濟部跟交通部就要接同兩大國營事業攜手合作兩大國營事業攜手合作來對於台電自行採購限定他發電的用途共同使用中油目前的這個港口跟接收站 |
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以及我們交通部航港局的國際國運的政策也鼓勵我們國內的航商跟專業我們國內就三大國內航商鼓勵他們跟國內我們的政府跟國內航商以及專業的學校針對天然氣運輸船之急增加天然氣的訓練課程加入國際國運的行列我們的船也可以共用在中游目前在高雄的永安跟台中的天然氣共同培訓人才 |
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那我講到一點齁 這個我們現在的人才目前的國旗船只有4艘執行400航次當中的144航次當中只有這個國旗船這4艘我們報告院長我用報告這表示他很嚴重因為只有船長一個是台灣國旗一個而已12個船員是本國旗其他全部都是外籍船 |
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所以今天我要增加到百分之三十的採購是中油目前的現貨採購我改為我們自己的國籍船來議我需要增加497人16隻的再增加16個16個16隻的船隻是國籍的 |
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所以我要建船或者是說我要到國際訂貨訂這個船隻包括我人員也要去訓練那這些都是要現在啟動要不然你對50%天然氣是完全外國在掌控欸 |
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我現在是很沒有具體的數據去呈現出我現在所以我才請你一定要事後去了解天然氣在軍演當中已經有面臨我是斷氣的不可控的因素所以院長你怎麼看這個我們國氣國運的國家對這個議題 |
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好謝謝首先軍援的時候必定有各種想定那我們一定是採取最安全可靠的方式來維繫台灣所需要的各種物資這個當然包括在內那麼中油過去慣例都是用DES賣方負責的方式來運送那我所知道中油也漸漸在朝用FOB的方式但是他也建立了自己的這個系統 |
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另外臺電將來在臺中以及協和電廠他必須自己要進這個天然氣LNG他也應該有新的方式可以來進行那部長能不能了解到未來中油臺電在這個船隻運送方式跟我們這個條件的設定底下有沒有新的作為 |
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這樣好不好?院長你已經有明確性的指示,所以你對於國企、國運、國家對這件事情你認為應不應該做?現在中油已經朝向這個處理了。我現在會提出執行是我已經花了兩年時間,中油才歸宿的,才同意航港局說我願意把這個 |
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．述 |
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等了兩年本席質詢了兩年他才去做這件事情所以你只要明確告訴我人力的問題我們要進一步的補充院長這樣子啦你只要同意國企國運國家對這個名詞是由國家來建制他才有可能跨部會的來做經濟部包括人員的培訓包括兩大部會包括交通部都有納入那這件事情你要主責給誰 |
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國家隊如果承擔這樣的責任當然是最好。我們要有一段時間來建置整個運輸的能量。您要主責給誰?是秘書長來統籌這件事情專案列管?兩位部長是要經濟部還是交通部? |
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部長你可以回應,您針對這樣的建制一個月可以提出相關的規劃嗎? |
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是,我們會再請教這個委員您的這個想法。我們就朝向一個月好嗎?好,來最後一個議題就是我們眷村文化的資產展現臺灣多元的歷史那從它的一個起源背景那這個我們 |
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眷村的住民也可以說是在1949年人類近代當中最大的遷徙那也是台灣400年來歷史最大的一個文化融合我們講到台灣這400年來台灣是非常豐富的從原住民荷蘭日本敏克眷村住民一直到現在進行式的新住民那眷村是台灣特有的歷史文化的遺產起源於1940年末到1950年政府是為了解決軍眷住房 |
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的問題而興建當然他在眷村文化語言飲食建築當然都有很大的就具有獨特性所以豐富了臺灣文化的多樣性好我們從過去從眷村改建的到眷村文化這當中到底有沒有創價呢創這個價值創造呢是有的 |
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眷改的1.0從這個眷村的改建到眷改2.0保存眷村文化我們透過了資產的運用土地的活化地方政府的合作經營我們竟然提前一年半全數清償了716億表示我的眷村改建到眷村文化的保存是可以創造價值的他不是社會的負債 |
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好,我們從過去的粗暴改建到現在文化重視的轉變,修復專業是文化資產保護的重要環節,需要專業的知識跟技術。所以呢,我們軍服處,國防部的軍服處目前有6位具有古蹟修復工程工地主任的專人執照的軍職人員,但是3年前我們有20位,現在降到6位。 |
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好那在這當中目前我們的眷村永續工作其實有這四項這我們有51處其中13處還是在文化園區的服訪37處的文化資產的活化繼續的尋親維護文化資產跟建立平台真的在做的只有下面這一項叫尋親維護文化資產 |
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好那盤點出來這51處當中有國定股股機制定組股機限定股機歷史建物文化景觀聚落建築考古遺址51處但 |
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這個當中只有少數是有空間活化這51處當中只有少數空間活化好有幾個案例是讓我們平日遊客是若意不覺的臺北的四四南村臺中的信義新村高雄的黃浦新村這是有活化的空間活化大部分就是顯示建築物改建完後就顯示在那邊好 |
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那51處當中唯一一處尚未全面啟動眷村文化創新工程的就在我高雄海軍左營眷村。海軍左營的這個眷村是全國最大單一軍種的眷村全部保存面積59公頃。我目前只修復10%還有9%層的眷村是人封為代修封。 |
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為待休,也就是閒置在那邊。我拍了幾張照片,這個左邊是左營眷村,院長您看看,跟部長,你們就看看吧。這個是這樣的破舊,左邊是這樣的破舊,右邊是我黃埔青村,同樣在高雄。你看上圖是學校的老師帶著同學出來,下圖是我的爸爸媽媽帶著小朋友出遊。有活化就是這樣,一樣在高雄黃埔青村。 |
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若破不堪而且是閒置而且是還是讓他繼續落魄叫做風為待休的左營眷村好那再來呢在我這邊呢也一個在這個具體要求之前本席認為眷村文化是我的國際亮點這句話要聽清楚眷村文化是我的國際亮點也就是我在51處整個包裹起來 |
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我來做跟聯合國或者是等同聯合國認證的世界歷史遺址的基金會來申請我眷村文化的國際知名度然後呢來保存跟傳承讓他有更多資源的跟支持而且也提高臺灣也提高藉著眷村也提高臺灣的國際知名度讓更多人知道臺灣的眷村文化進而影響國際的這個影響力 |
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好這個歷史遺址基金會在我們澎湖澎湖有一個漁村他也是被也自己來申請的世界歷史遺址的基金會所以這個部分我們臺灣的這個是有潛力的所以臺灣是擁有全世界唯一的眷村文化資產 |
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好,我們應該讓它成為全民國防教育跟國際觀光價值兩個同句的。好,我這邊具體要求行政院專案列管。我也希望是秘書長能夠專案定時的召開會議。那要做這幾件事情 |
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因為跨部會又涉及國防部又涉及文化部又涉及交通部第一個國防部要做什麼事呢他要申請世界遺址的基金會這按照這個我們彭埔的案例他其實準備了8個月 |
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所以這個只要目前國防部啟動他最多就一個一年他就可以完成這樣的申請相關的準備作業那第二個文化部他就要去文化部跟國防部共同為什麼要秘書長因為這還要組織單位來因為要花錢到底是 |
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國防部要花多少錢?文化部要花多少錢?那這樣盤整出來整個整修的費用那也要希望一個月能提出它的規劃另外交通部我們都有國際旅展本席要求國際旅展要納入我們的眷村文化 |
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作為我對外國在國外的是我們的國際我們的臺灣國際館其中有一項就是卷存文化這是對交通部的要求最後我也希望能夠研議增加請國防部增加有古蹟修復專業製造的君子人員才能夠去維護我這51處 |
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院長,你怎麼看這個議題? |
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非常佩服委員對於眷村文化這樣的關心。我覺得它是對我們生活的融合、情感的融合跟社會的融合、文化的融合很重要的一環。那國防部因為是眷村文化,眷村它原來的所有管理者,它應該要有這樣的觀念,把眷村文化活化再利用。但是整個過程應該文化部要加上很多文化的底蘊跟文化的設計,讓它成為現代文化的一環。 |
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這樣他往國際走才會有他的價值所以我們請這兩個部會去密切的聯繫將怎麼樣將剛剛委員所講的那主責單位是國防部還是文化部各個有不同的但是精髓應該在文化部 |
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所以是文化部來主責然後他定期開我的觀念很清楚因為既然跨部會就要一個人主責你到底是要秘書長指責還是政委主責就院長你指示我都沒有意見你現在如果主責給文化部那就文化部你就要定期把這個專案執行下去你就要定期邀國防部你每次的部長這邊你就要定期的以專案方式邀國防部文化部文化部本身然後交通部 |
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本身就要去列管我今天本席所講的這些事情所以院長您還是要交由文化部來處理。其實我們在高雄的眷村整頓中大概花了12億而且我個人覺得在戰後的建築裡面 |
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建築的確是大部分人的記憶這點剛剛委員提到這個把它全部整合在一起成為一個很奇特的景觀可以重新呈現第二次世界大戰臺灣當時的狀態我覺得這個點子很好我們會來執行 |
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好那您大概什麼時候會有提出這樣的方案?兩個月好不好?因為你要重新的盤整這51處你甚至要怎麼既然是全國來看那他的特色他有很多軍種剛才我也提到我再秀一下這個表光是我這51處我的陸軍就19處海軍6處空軍19處後備3處憲兵3處軍情局1處這就很有歷史的這個後面的一個抵運的支持了 |
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接下來我們請登記第52位林沛翔委員質詢。 |
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主席有請卓議員長再請卓議員長備詢林委員你有沒有要站中間一點?林委員好卓議員長我本席是只做一任基隆市議員就直接來到立法院但是從政的初衷跟之前做議員是完全一樣的我認為說實踐我的政見 |
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原比勝選來得重要。完成我對選民的承諾原比單純的勝負來得有價值。所以說本席在從當任金融市議員的時候曾經有個政見叫做老幼共託也就是說讓年長者跟小朋友 |
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為什麼會這樣講?因為基隆是大部分的青壯的勞動力都在台北都在雙北。 |
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而老人家如果一出事情或小朋友只要一生病,我們就必須花很多的時間來去照顧他們。所以說,而且再加上說,現在的年長者,65歲的年長者,一定要退休的年長者,遠比30年前50歲的勞動者來得年輕,來得有活力,對社會來得也更有價值。單純讓他們放棄這個人力資源是很可惜的。 |
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但是這個老幼共託的政策遇到一個很大的算是在配套措施上面遇到一個很大的問題就是說不管是年長者還是小朋友就是7歲以下的小朋友都會遇到都會有希望有這個護理人員的幫忙那我們也知道臺灣的護理人員護理師的不足 |
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這問題其實已經不是在臺灣獨特有的現象而是在全球的先進國家都遇到這樣的狀況而護理的人力荒導致說我們醫院現在有很多醫院不管尤其在區域醫院特別多就是必須要鎖床因為我們的護理師人力不足或者護理師過勞所以說我在這邊想請問一下說請問院長您知道說臺灣到今年1月份 |
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臨有護理師執照的人到底有多少人嗎?應該接近19萬。抱歉是30萬。那現在真正在第一線的。這是有18萬18.6萬18萬6千人。那變成是說只有六成的人願意有護理師執照可是願意執業。但是在2030年我們看到資料2030年我們會需要將近24到26萬的護理師來照顧我們整個醫療系統。 |
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所以說這樣一加一減的話在最近這幾年我們就必須要增加五萬五千到七萬四千的護理人力才能滿足我們的需求那我也知道從去年開始本來是一年兩次的護理師考試增加成為一年三次而兩次護理師的考試我也聽說這個 |
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也的確蠻驚駭的啦。七月份的考試過關的%數是將近55、60%二月份的考試低於18%那這也我當初看到資料的時候我也覺得是蠻匪夷所思的 |
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不過我更想要知道的是說因為我們現在每年報考護理學校的報考人數只有2100然後經過4年學校教育我們的考取率平均只有7乘5那所以說每年頂多加1500人全台灣只加1500個可以合格的護理師變成是說在 |
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在衛福部的未來10年互產人力供需評估研究裡面指出在2024年我們將短缺15000人到24000人換句話說馬上護理師荒就要重來那在去年的9月28號在第3873次會議中合備護理人力政策準備12項策略計畫中我想請問院長 |
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你們到目前落實了幾項第一項是護理人員培育嘛那其實說真的一年只有2100個新生未來還會再下降因為我們少子化那想請問具體的我們衛福部的政策會是什麼呢? |
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設立臺灣的南丁格爾獎的時候那時候護理從業人第一線的大概只有12、3萬那到現在經過10多年他已經進步增加到18萬到19萬這個數目當然比我們現在預期的還要低但是我覺得這個進展是有的如果我們大家齊力的推動再加上衛福部正在這個三大面向12項策略能夠齊頭並進我覺得我們可以在更短的時間內趕上 |
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院長為什麼會提出來這個事情因為其實十二項裡面有些是我們正在進行的我們團隊有去做資料但是有些關鍵的地方我必須要提出來像第一個在第三項裡面有提出說三班互併比的現況資料收集那經過這個你們九個月的統計裡面醫學中心區域醫院跟地區醫院有哪幾家醫院已經是達到所謂的1比6的互併比 |
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打到的我們有獎勵的措施,請部長答覆一下。我們除了推動夜班護理人員獎勵,三班護病比的達標的也有獎勵。不是,我是說哪幾家醫院已經達到1比6的護病比。那比如說包括醫學中心,包括區域醫院,包括地區醫院,你們9個月統計下來之後哪些醫院合格的達到1比6,我只是想知道這個事情。部長可以回答我這個問題嗎? |
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如果現在回答不出來麻煩一下因為我本席在這120天之內我不知道幾次哪一個每一個部都跟我講會後兩個禮拜一個月之內資料到我手上但是都沒有等一下我可能會再針對這些部會來去做進一步的請問 |
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區議院跟地區議院互併比能夠把它統計出來如果有達到的我們依照獎勵沒有達到的我們要求他趕快的補足同樣的因為這都是12項當初在選舉的時候我們提要全面的補足因為現在人力是有缺口的我們盡量從人力的培育上面來增加從考用的制度 |
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我現在甚至在問那就是既然我已經講到1比6互併比的話那我想請問三班互併比標準的訂定跟落實請問部長你們一定好了嗎?什麼時候可以跟全國副理事講說我們已經準備好了? |
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我再問一次,第四項,這12項政策是我們這次競選團隊提出來,針對全國護理師所提出來的。第四項,三班互併標準的定定跟落實。請問,我們行政團隊擬定好了嗎?什麼時候可以給全國護理師這個福音呢? |
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如果還不出因為老實講我不想先破題因為當初這個事情是說2026年三班戶病法要入法然後這是在選前講的選前滿口答應選後馬上忘記基本上我很不希望這樣去討論民生議題用這樣聳動的話語去講事情但是今天你們回答我的態度就表現我這樣我認為這件事情好像是真的是嗎 |
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委員長 |
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我在這邊也順便你剛剛都講到待遇了嘛。 |
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那老實講出得起猴子出得起香蕉子找得到猴子出得起牛肉才找得到獅子嘛那我在這邊也必須要跟我們這些白板小夜急診的護理師講話其實老實講我如果說我前一陣子那個因為家人還是一些調查卡有事情 |
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很辛苦很辛苦 |
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我們記得前一陣子我記得有修法就是針對說護理師如果被病人被病人用被病人打的時候這個要入這個要加上行政這我完全認同但是就算是這樣做的事情這樣的這樣的法修了之後其實我們對護理師的尊重還是嚴重不足尤其是當我們情緒不好的時候他們工作量本來就大那他們的待遇又不夠好的時候那如果剛剛還是回到那句話我們一天到晚出我們一天到晚給香蕉當然請得到猴子嘛 |
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甚至我們只給他花生連猴子都不來吃啊。我這樣講的比喻是說,其實我們護理師他們守護這一行他們都是想救人,想要幫人,想要希望說這個護理我們台灣這個健保我們每個人被照顧到會照顧得更好。但是巧婦無名難為罪,更何況基本待遇都不夠的時候,我這邊強烈要求就是說,請不要同工不同酬。 |
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也就是醫學中心跟區域中心跟地區醫院這方面我其實已經在基層聽到太多護理師跟我講這件事情了 |
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同工不同酬 |
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我想部長應該對這件事最有體會非常謝謝委員對護理人員的關心因為我也是臨床幾十年的醫師跟護理人員是一起團隊作戰他們的辛苦其實不論是白班、夜班都是非常的辛苦那白班每一個職場有他不同的 |
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反縱,所以我們在研議這個,其實我們有一直持續研議,醫院白班反縱方面怎麼樣來給他津貼,但是這個反縱的部分,就剛剛政務委員你所說,所提到的一馬公一反縱一馬公一反縱,所以在定義上面我們會再做詳細的研議,跟我們最近也都約相關的婦女團體來討論,希望能夠定出一個大家滿意的一個標準。 |
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謝謝部長,因為我再講一次這是你們第8項裡面講的夜班費的獎勵那我在這邊搶業了求政策不能讓護理師之間產生對立因為獎勵金應該都要有嘛我們台灣說真的我們的護理師平均平均那個經常性薪資好像是4萬3千還是4萬4千而已其實以他的工時來講可能連最低我覺得跟最低工時差不多了其實而且他們要 |
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這不是我們當初設立這些護理學校的本意嗎? |
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這個我覺得其實我不想跟其他人說什麼時候是國安危機什麼時候是國安危機但是這個的確是很迫切我們需要解決的問題 |
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那這個...對不起還有我想請問一下在第10項跟第11項還是有關三班互併比的達標醫院應該有個三班互併比的達標的獎勵跟護理友善職場的獎勵我想這都是當初那個12項裡面講的那請問部長或請問院長獎勵方法是不是訂好了呢?那我們什麼時候看得到什麼時候可以實施? |
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我們優化護理職場的環境,落實三班互併比,這個其實在113年31號實施。未來我們有爭取到有一個中長期的計畫,大概這個也通過預算,會來改善整個職場的一個環境。 |
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我為什麼要去把這個檢視這邊因為我剛剛有提過說本來2026這都應該全面要進去但是我們沒有看到說我們其實在選舉在大選的時候我們聽到說三班互併筆要入法 |
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那目前來講我們似乎就是慢慢慢慢在做我現在聽到部長的回應我聽到院長的回應我們就知道說像這樣的事情其實是有是一步一步在做的但是請你們如果第一個如果能夠的話加快第二點讓早點讓我們知道這個遠比其他的事情更能夠讓病患跟護理師安心我們希望多一點的護理師回來到工作環境裡面但是我們不跟他們講說其實你們待遇會比未來好 |
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甚至說我會直接建議院長將三班護病表直接納入所謂醫療機構的設置標準這個醫療機構設置標準不是是所謂的是醫療法授權給衛福部制定的法規命令只要衛福部願意就可以把這個三班護病表入法而且不需要等待我們立法院曠日廢時的修法程序基本上這樣比較能夠救急啦 |
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我不知道院長您覺得怎麼樣呢?針對醫學中心區醫院跟地區醫院三班護病比各有不同的數字的比例那這個部分應該是會列入將來對醫院評鑑重要的依據但是我說人力要將它補齊我們才有辦法真的做到否則各個醫院沒有辦法招募到這個足夠的護理人員這個三班護病比就是一個空的目標那現在我們有進程期程就會將它一一的補齊 |
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我如果講到人力醫療的話其實某個程度上面全世界我想提醒院長一件事就是全世界都在搶護士喔全世界其實我想院長在您的高度上面應該很清楚的知道說美國在搶菲律賓的護士然後我記得日本、韓國也在針對護士有去說你護士跟技術型勞工來去做一定程度說如果你入籍多久之後我們會給你永久居留權甚至給你國籍 |
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那我知道這個已經不是單單純純衛福部的事情那因為現在缺工的事情缺工的狀況是各行各業都有但是我會在這邊提醒院長您是行政院院長那您的任期我們其實我們不知道我希望說您能夠在您的任期之內好好的跟整個行政團隊來考慮說 |
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人力的補充當然從國內培訓這個是最直接的 |
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那如果有真的需要我們在經過跟社會的討論共識之後是不是會採用更好的方式那除了部長之外我想陳時中政委在這方面也應該就是大家可以信賴的一個對醫護關係醫護政策的一個專家跟這個專業的人士那我也請陳時中政委來負責來辦好這件事情其實這件事情我們一直在講護理護理護理就花到我們十幾分鐘可是其實藥師也一樣嚴重 |
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其實藥師我記得藥師的合格率藥師考試合格率好像是百分之三十不到對吧那變成是說我們現在在臺灣是每一萬人就有十三才只有每一萬人只有十三位藥師服務那其實我想很好奇就請問說為什麼醫院卻常年聘不滿藥師呢我們比一般人那個一般的OECD國家來的高但是我們為什麼聘不滿藥師呢部長 |
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二十幾趴這個比人家三分九還低啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
25422.179 |
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25423.76 |
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甚至我這邊在講啦就是我直接講比較具體一點的根據統計臺大臺北榮總這兩間龍頭醫學中心加起來缺的藥師就已經超過50名 |
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這應該跟他這個 |
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25467.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
﹚廣告 |
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是不是能夠用這樣的方式來讓更多的人他能夠經過學程之後投入到這個職場裡面?整個醫療系統裡面醫護要三者缺一不可變成是雖然你醫師夠但是如果你護士不夠基本上醫師也難做事那你就算 |
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一是護士夠,要是不給藥,基本上治療也是很有限。問題是說我們現在台灣的健保,我們一直講說我們的公衛是在全球排名前幾名,我們的公共治療是全球排名很好的,但是我們自己難道現在遇到人員不足的時候,我們如果還是說OK,我們還是在自滿說我們台灣的健保全世界最好,台灣的醫療全世界最有名,但是我們不去面對現在的問題的話,其實這個 |
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謝謝委員我也跟部長談過我們應該朝向讓一些替代役能夠投入到護理的工作或者其他的這個 |
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25550.2 |
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| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
好,再來是請放一下影片 |
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謝謝部長。院長我跟你是第二次見面,第一次見面是在基隆市的市場,我也會記得你那時候幫人家站臺。但是這個市場是其實你就知道基隆其實這種庶民經濟是非常非常的盛行的。 |
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25588.53 |
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25608.256 |
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那基隆市的最大的市場叫做仁愛市場那目前來講也是快變成跟北投一樣這種傳統二樓市場改建的非常成功但是尷尬的地方是呢他們裡面500個攤商改建後37年然後沒有冷氣不是說沒有冷氣這個是我這個禮拜六過去看 |
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我實際在那邊走而且11點半還沒有人潮只到一半多一點到12點半只會人更多然後就已經體感都超過37度而且越來越熱 |
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25643.585 |
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那這個時候說真的我知道傳統市場這方面的議題嚴格講起來是我們經濟部那經濟部的話老實說我在剛進國會的時候我也知道說我對這個老實講我對有時候在看這些預算的時候重新再去做審視整個預算的時候我也很好奇就是說經濟部產發署跟技術師兩個單位一年補助各項產業就高達350億 |
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三百五十億的話我曾經算過如果一條基隆的這個基隆捷運加台中捷運的半條一年這個是十幾年的工程三百五十億一年 |
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這個十分錢就夠了那我當然是這樣不能西瓜不能跟梨子比我很清楚不過同樣是說都是庶民經濟剛剛我們看的影片的時候也看到說在禮拜六的早上11點半那其實還沒有算很多的時候我們就在整個傳統市場上面看到人擠人整個整個基本上如果說部長或哪一天院長如果來基隆我帶你去那裡走走你就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
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您也不錯,但是部長也起來。其實我那時候還蠻希望說黃仁勳的那個黃仁勳NVIDIA老黃可以過來我們基隆吃吃東西。我當然也很希望,我們等一下會談到說那NVIDIA的事情。但是我會認為說現在基隆的仁愛市場,二樓市場已經變成是在基隆變成一個光光勝地,很多人都會去吃飯的地方。但是冷氣不足。如果剛剛看那個影片的時候你會發現到每一台電風扇都是開著的。 |
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可是那個體溫那個體感溫度還是降不下來而且裡面的冷氣每一台基本上有的開有的關但是冷氣都輸不來那我們一方面來講用電老實講這樣對用電其實蠻傷的一台三十幾一個市場三十幾年來冷氣都沒有換過 |
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那我說真的我想說在這邊也代表基隆也代表我們整個也代表基隆也代表基層我是基隆的民意代表我是基隆的嬰兒我是基站出來的所以我會希望代表基隆代表基層現請我們經濟部幫個忙在這邊用我自己總質詢的時間那請問部長或院長你們覺得這個忙30幾年的一個大型傳統市場500多個攤位都沒有冷氣可以吹而且現在還沒有到最熱的時候那是不是可以見請我們行政團隊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
苦民所苦呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
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25789.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
各位委員報告十年來基隆的改變我想國人都看得到他有很多地方過去比較不是那麼方便現在都變成很潮流的地方很明亮的地方如果能用這種觀念來改變的話我想對基隆的市民來看都是歡迎的那這個過程我相信基隆市政府應該扮演極重要的角色未來我們是不是一同跟市政府來做理解跟一起努力讓地方也能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
部長 |
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報告委員,你這個案子我們後來有回去,我們有檢討,我有責成我們這個相關單位,應該有跟你報告。那我們現在是準備用這個ECFA的方法,用那個節能減碳的方法,來幫助這個市場的改建。 |
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25841.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
我其實在這邊已經講到省電的議題 |
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其實郭部長您也辛苦了啦,最近這個整個政治氛圍跟您的專業跟您的過去背景不太一樣。但是我也在這邊想請教郭部長,因為老實講這個NVIDIA剛剛離開,黃仁勳剛剛離開,那他離開,那我個人,因為我個人是在看整個情況之後,在看所有報導之後發現說當然他離開的時候講到電力是最大的缺口。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
那老實說這個我個人認為是如果能夠把NVIDIA的這個R&D Center就是把它的研發中心留在臺灣不管留在哪個城市我當然希望留在基隆市但是不管留在哪個城市對於臺灣都是好事 |
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但是他自己也第一時間提出來了,電力的問題是很大的,是一個很大的concern,一個很大的issue。因為電力衝突中阻是一回事。另外一方面是電力的價格也是一回事。 |
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第三個是電力如何創造這些電力的來源也是一回事。電力的充足不充足我想已經有我們太多同事已經談到了。電力的價格因為如果說我們電力的價格比別人貴的話,我想以一個全球佈局的公司可能不太願意在高成本的情況之下來臺灣設廠。 |
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更何況還有電力的來源剛剛應該是林黛樺委員有講到說臺灣的電力97%是來自於煤炭跟天然氣那有一個問題其實如果是業界人都很關心就是CBAN |
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就是明...如果記得沒錯的話是明年嘛明年歐盟就要對於臺灣客...對於臺灣的產品那個...客...客與探稅對吧那CBAN的問題呢變成是說臺灣我們現在探稅問題什麼現在探交易所探交易法探交易...執法是不是已經成型而且如何說我們臺灣先把這個稅探...這個稅錢先把它拿下來之後所以我們的產品到歐盟不用被...不用去客稅換句話說那如果R&D Center的NVIDIA的R&D Center來到臺灣那... |
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他的產品最後面出去的時候反而要被課碳稅,他們會不會因為這樣而不去做郵運進來,這我也很好奇。因為我們現在談到,我們當然希望NVIDIA過來,姑且不論國際政治因素這是他可能第一最大的風險。再來就是我們講的電力,再來還是講到說會不會有所謂的颱風跟地震。 |
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台風跟地震對NVIDIA來講是想是第三要去考慮的事情第一考慮到兩岸關係嘛再來考慮到電力問題可是電力就不是只有電力充不充足電力的來源還有電力的價格而且我們也知道NVIDIA它的整個電力的使用率是高的這不是說只是我們現在隨便說一趴兩趴因為你要去做出R&D的時候 |
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人民兩位你們覺得NVIDIA現在如果假設 |
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報告委員這個NVIDIA他要的還是綠電所以我們現在是朝這個方向在努力也就是說我們發出來的綠電能夠滿足讓他們使用 |
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來得及嗎?應該是來得及。來得及嗎?因為我老實講綠電過去8年讓我們不是只有本席,我想普遍的國人都因為綠電的發展的速度感到失望。所以說未來的話如何能夠趕得及讓國人符合期待而且是好像本來在明年就要到15%或15%還20%不過現在 |
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我那時候問國發會主委說我們2030要全面電動巴士我們2040要全面電動小客車跟摩托車但是我們電從哪裡來 |
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要滿足這些電動載蓄電從哪裡來?而且如果要滿足這些電動載蓄的話請問要幾個發電廠?是火力發電廠還是核能發電還是綠能發電廠?要什麼時候建好? |
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國際大廠來台灣設廠,很多都是需要綠電。他們願意來設廠,就表示對我們綠電的潛能跟開發綠電的能力,他們是有信心的,我們一定要對他們負責。這就是說我要這個資料,當初是廣明星廣明署長在不在? |
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| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
那時候他當國發會主委我在他面前在質詢的所以說這個資料會後給我資料兩個月了資料還沒有到我希望在一兩個禮拜之內我們等國發會把相關資料能夠迅速補給委員好謝謝謝謝林沛翔委員質詢謝謝主委長貝旭麻煩請行政單位把林委員所取的資料麻煩如實送達謝謝接下來我們請登記第53位牛許廷委員質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
現在跟議長報告,在我們議場來參訪的是美國南達科他州的州議會的訪問團在我們樓上,我們掌聲歡迎。歡迎各位。好,謝謝。我們接下來繼續請許廷偉議員,請。好,謝謝主席。行政院長、經濟部長有請。麻煩請左院長再次備詢,也請經濟部。 |
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院長午安,一整天的備詢辛苦了。身為年輕的國會議員,始終懷抱理想,期待我們的政府有功能,社會有良知,人民能夠獲得公平正義。薪水物價跟房價是當代台灣人民最在乎的民生指標,這個院長應該不會反對吧? |
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那我們今天就針對經濟發展分配正義居住正義來做一下綜合討論期待政府能夠提出好的表現跟回答首先我要請問院長跟部長捐低效應是什麼意思捐低效應你有聽過這個名詞嗎英文叫trickle down沒關係部長可以說明編記效應嗎不是編記啦捐低啊下盛經濟學聽過沒有 |
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好沒關係我解釋給你聽喔捐低效應或稱下振經濟學是講說政策上政府的政策側重大企業透過給大企業不管是減稅也好或者是產業經濟政策的一些優惠期待讓這一群人來帶動其他人的發展透過讓一部分的人先成功然後 |
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祈待他們可以合理的自己分配這些賺來的財富,從而間接的達成社會貧富差距越來越小的這件事情。這個概念叫做Trickle Down,叫做捐低效應。這個院長您相不相信這樣效果,這樣子說法的效果? |
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台灣已經是一個成熟的開發而且高科技產業非常完善的一個地方了當一部分人先富起來那是古代中國的一個實用化其實不適合我們現在我們現在注重的不僅是高科技我們希望中小微企業都能夠存不起來 |
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這就是所謂均衡台灣的理念。希望均衡對不對?很好,這是我本期今天第一個要提的概念。為什麼我會提這個當作開場?因為賴清德政府的經濟政策基本上最常被人家討論的叫五大信賴產業,對不對?半導體、人工智慧、軍工安控、次世代通訊。希望透過價值鏈的整合帶動經濟的成長,這個其實就是標準的。 |
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下盛經濟學的這樣子一個邏輯啊。我們討論台積電,台積電是我們護國神山。我們討論輝達,認為皮衣哥黃仁勳是台灣之光。當我們討論這些成功的世界級的企業的時候,台灣人都同感榮耀。這一點本席也非常同意。但本席不禁在想啊,台灣難道只有台積電嗎?我們的經濟難道只能圍繞著輝達嗎?我想請問院長,請問台灣中小企業的數量有多少? |
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當然不是。中小企業才是台灣經濟的骨幹。沒錯。數量有多少?數量有多少?164萬。164萬。好。部長OK喔。大企業大概多少家? |
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幾百萬人 |
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中小企業的數量163.3萬,占全國98.9%。中小企業從業人數913萬,占全部就業人口數79.98%。相對來講大企業大概是10%左右,另外有18.9%左右是在政府來上班。 |
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我們看到這個比例不管是企業的家數或者是從業人口數就如同院長剛剛講的其實中小企業才是真正的骨幹但是我們大部分在看到整個政府在推動經濟發展跟產業政策的時候大細股、高科技、大計畫其實佔掉了大部分的篇幅本身非常擔心中小企業、服務業是被政府遺忘的一塊我很擔心在未來政府對他們的角色跟照顧恐怕是失衡的院長你對這樣的說法有沒有什麼回應 |
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我們也很怕會造成這種錯誤的現象跟錯誤的觀點所以我們認為中小微企業能夠從數位轉型幫忙他做產業的升級才是國家經濟跟社會安定之道所以你現在有提一個概念叫轉型對不對還不錯有點方向但是我今天就講話我就比較不客氣了我要講一些一般人比較少接觸但是蠻殘酷的真相我先請問院長我們的晶片驅動台灣創新方案要投入多少資源 |
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AI行動方案2.0我們剛啟動 |
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經費經費部分確實的數字我現在四年400億馬上的3.0預計每一年要投入120億但我要再接著追問你是數字答不出來我很擔心那院長我請教一下中小企業行動智慧應用計畫投入多少資源少的多民生消費品產業升級轉型輔導計畫投入多少資源也很少 |
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福島企業二代接班的這個叫做福島小微型企業數位轉型及永續發展計畫。剛剛院長有講了。你看一下上面的圖表。 |
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民生消費品產業升級轉型輔導計畫4年1億6千萬。中小企業行動智慧應用計畫5年1億4千萬。輔導小微型企業數位轉型及永續發展計畫2024年剛剛上路第一年7千7百萬。我們經濟部有中小企業還跟新創並在一起叫中小企業與創新署。年度預算只有44億4千萬。 |
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跟前面我們剛剛講的晶片驅動台灣計畫10年3000億AI行動2.0 4年400億未來3.0 1年120億 |
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是不是資源的投入跟政府的政策的重心有一點點落差?報告委員這一部分的話我們所投入的預算是以以後產出的這個效益為主的這個計算所以這個對這個精創的部分跟這個AI的部分都是以三年後五年後的這個產值 |
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作為推估的一部分。我今天我絕對不反對投資AI投資半導體。他是我們的護國神山我非常支持。但是我擔心的是政府角色的失衡。我為什麼開頭要用特別的名詞叫捐低經濟學?就是因為你永遠都只有看到龍頭的時候。你期待龍頭帶動產業鏈這個概念都沒錯。但是我要請問比如說精創產業整個半導體產業鏈受惠這3000億的資源總共有多少間企業會受惠?大的小的加起來整條半導體產業鏈大概多少家? |
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報告委員我們金創台灣計畫我們現在正在修正我們會把晶片的應用AI的應用的產業那就是包括中小企業全部會納進來所以我們在應用的部分以本席了解的資料整個半導體產業鏈的上中下游大的小的都算了400家左右 |
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你看我們剛剛討論中小企業總共的家屬是160幾萬家這就是我擔心的事情那第二個我也很想問你這個AI的行動計畫它可以造福多少產業可以造福多少從業人員對不對這就是我今天想要問的問題這是我認同委員就是說我們在晶片產業跟AI它的應用的部分我們會推廣我們現在正在規劃這個所以會增加中小企業 |
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我想不管是院長部長跟主委應該可以聽得出來啦就是說現在看起來資源的投入啊失衡的狀況好像比較明顯一些其實很多中小企業的專案甚至我們去爬資料啊甚至都沒有辦法在新聞媒體上露出啊因為太小了 |
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國科會在討論這個議程的時候他有相當好的一個方向跟分析的結果將來一定從 |
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不僅從高科技裡面還要再分高科技裡面的強弱還要落實到中小微企業主委曾經報告過這樣的計劃畢竟新團隊才剛上任我們會願意給一些時間但我希望接下來我們在追蹤這個題目的時候不要再看到這種大細碼這種狀況再來我要問這個股票指數屢創歷史新高國內國發會的景氣燈號攀升藍燈慢慢都變紅燈數據上看起來經濟前景很好院長看好台灣未來的經濟嗎 |
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好謝謝但我要講的是人民的落差跟一般的政府也許是國外企業的落差 |
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從覆面的總體經濟數據來看好像狀況不錯但是中中大學的臺灣經濟發展研究中心一直以來他有長時間針對家庭經濟信心、經濟景氣信心、就業信心、物價水準、購買耐久財時機跟投資股票的時機等6項信心指數進行長時間的民意調查那目前我就直接把圖表秀出來了人民的想法跟觀感跟政府的漂亮的數據其實有不小的落差 |
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家庭經濟信心認為不太好的大概有44%左右對於經濟景氣的信心覺得不太好的大概37%到38%就業機會的信心覺得不太好的超過一半56%物價水準信心非常可怕認為物價未來會上漲的9成多 |
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股票雖然上了兩萬多點大家都覺得很厲害但是有超過三分之二的臺灣人民不認為現在是一個投資股票的好時機啊。院長為什麼人民的感受跟政府的數據有一個顯著的落差? |
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我承認人民的感受我們要讓他更真實更溫暖更直接所以我說過一句話就是任何經濟的發展是繁榮的指標但是公平的分配才是文明國家的象徵公平的分配其實這個非常有切合本席在問的主題為什麼數字很好可是大部分人悲觀其實就是通貨膨脹的問題 |
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有超過9494%的人認為物價會上漲經濟成長的好處顯然被更高的通膨給壓過去了嘛很多科技業的榮景不見得是很多中小企業所能感受的這是另外一個本席剛剛有提到的問題所以分配是非常重要的所以我們接下來談一談薪水的問題喔這個根據喔 |
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數據資料庫的顯示我們的勞工的每月明目薪資從2020年到2024年大概成長了大概3000多塊接近一成提升的幅度不小但是其實更多人關注的是所謂的實質薪資的上漲率實質經常性薪資在同樣的時間內卻是連續下降院長這代表什麼意思我們薪資的結構還是要讓他 |
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這增加人民的所得還是要讓它增加人民的所得因為薪資名目的上漲比不上通貨膨脹的速度啊 |
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通膨嚴重基本上全民受苦啊,受苦程度也有大有小,因為各行各業心情不太一樣。行政院主計總署的心情平台,這個用我們政府的資料,2023年統計資料顯示,我們總共有111類的產業,大家講百工百業,其中有73個類別的產業,每個月包含獎金在內,包含加班費在內, |
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院長現在有想法嗎? |
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﹗ |
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我們可以公開的呼籲公開的呼籲 |
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我們要討論的是一樣,本期在乎的是中小企業的事啊,針對中小企業的加薪減稅方案其實都透過修法的方式來處理嘛,對不對?但是一樣喔,這個2016年我們針對這個東西做加薪減稅嘛,也就是中小企業給員工加薪,我政府給稅率優惠,這個東西花了多少錢?院長跟部長有掌握嗎? |
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這個 有一點細節啦 相當大的一個指標的一個獎勵2016年這個計畫第一次推出來的稅市支出1043萬一千多萬而已2017年753萬然後這個計畫就中斷了馬上要新上路因為最近就在討論修法的方案從高估的角度高估最多最多也就是2.63億如果低估的話可能只有5000萬 |
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對照我們剛剛給那些大企業成功的企業的各式各樣的政策優惠同樣在加薪減稅的這一塊的政府投入的資源本期期期以為不夠真的是不夠經濟政策的篇幅跟資源是政府最好的招邀金如果我們的政府一直圍繞強勢產業來訂定政策投入的資源是以百億千億為單位就期待這些企業成為火車頭要帶動產業的成長要成為原動力這個就是 |
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我開頭講的叫做經濟學上面的捐低效應這是這樣的政策邏輯但是不管藍綠過去這一段時間大家都是用這一套的邏輯去想像台灣的經濟政策但從新制的數字人民的信心指數來看顯然沒有捐低的效果反而形成了強者很強弱者更弱的分配問題 |
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我本期認為這叫方向錯誤如果政府沒有辦法及時來做調整我認為這是有負人民的託付所以本期期許在第一段的這個資訊裡面期許新政府能夠察覺問題調整政策對於中小企業服務業的發展 |
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院長講到目前還可以接受嗎? |
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謝謝委員的觀點總體經濟還是很重要我們這一次很多的閣員都來自產業我們希望帶進來產業的效率最近我們也會對經濟問題在院內成立一個諮詢的委員會當中國發會、經濟部、財政部就會就 |
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我們期待啊,政策在這樣子的平台搭建起來之後,針對中小企業,針對服務業,一定要投入特別的資源。沒關係,因為我時間有限啦,我期待啦,樂觀期待你可以有像樣的這個做法,但因為我們要進入到第二階段,第二階段我們要談的是房價,所以經濟部長等各位可以先回座休息,我們內政部長有請。 |
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接著我們談房價的問題根據內政部從全國各縣市的實價登錄交易資料顯示出來的結果可以發現住宅價格上升的趨勢比物價還要恐怖105年也就是2016年蔡政府上台第一年當成基準來計算房價指數100到112年度的第四季也就是去年的年底這個數字的指數直逼140 |
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可以說這八年裡面住宅價格上漲了接近四成但今天我要先問的問題是與此同時有一個非常有趣的狀況想要跟政府來做一下探討跟院長做個探討內政部統計的房價所得比好像沒什麼變也就是說房屋價格大概漲了三成多接近四成可是我看你的房價所得比好像沒有差很多以桃園市為例 |
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院長或部長可以回答? |
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好,謝謝委員的指教。我想你大概也發現到說,其實我們經濟的成長動能非常的高。所以房價在自由市場上面確實會出現這樣的狀況。那政府所推出來,包括我們現在的所謂的百萬租屋、家戶的部分呢,追不上現在房價的速度。所以才會產生像你所說的那樣的現象。這是我們必須要來檢討改進的。 |
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這個一樣是百萬,這個待會我們會針對百萬租入這個政策來做探討。我只舉一個例子,我講這個數據的不合理性,我希望政府回去做一下思考,是不是太樂觀了。比如說2020年,這個本期的選區,A級雄化區,那時候大概一坪的房屋價格25萬。到2024年、2023年的年底左右,大概是35萬。其實上漲的幅度差不多就是四成。也就是說一個一千萬的兩房一廳一位的這樣一個房型,到了最近差不多都是一千四百多萬,甚至有更高的一個狀況來出現了。 |
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那房價所得比的意思7.6表示不吃不喝7.6年可以買齊1000萬的房子我們就以這個為例子年收入的所得大概是131萬那到了2023年如果房價從1000萬變成1400萬的時候那照理來講我這個房價所得比我就用同樣的標準130幾萬的標準來去算的話房價所得比會超過10啊 |
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那我要問阿 |
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為什麼房價會越打越高呢?我們還是要回到問題的根源啊請院長評價一下蔡政府過去8年針對這個熱錢湧入房地產市場我們怎麼樣打擊炒作?你給這樣子的這一連串的政策措施打幾分?我們也在過去就推動了多元的這個社會住宅政策也從稅制方面推動房地合一稅 |
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打擊短期炒作這個手段都有在做政府還是會持續做很多公共建設的開發包括軌道交通的開發這種開發都會助長當地這個房價跟生活圈的改善所以房價的高漲很多社會的因素所以院長覺得很正常而且也覺得不用改善但是政府就從居住正義的角度去做更多的平價的可以讓年輕人可以 |
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注的安心的這個角色去做但是我們在公共建設方面還是不能停下來當然當然不應該停下來公共建設是改善所有人民的生活品質嘛這本身非常同意但是高房價是一個很大的社會問題從80年代以來台灣的住宅政策基本上就崇尚住宅當商品市場萬能論叫去公共化的思維讓房價回歸市場機制就好啦那政府基本上雖然有少數的打擊措施 |
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但大部分都是叫做補貼式的政策每期名約降低青年的負擔其實就是變相鼓勵人民買房截至2022年底我國的住宅自有率高達84.6%但同時房屋貸款從20年變成30年30年變成35年甚至出現40年的房貸多少的年輕世代因為這樣子的關係陷入防止孩子二選一的困境養了孩子無力買房 |
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背了房貸,無力生子。面對民怨的主要對應手段,我們看到政府過去的時間還是加碼加碼再加碼,補貼補貼再補貼。至於真正有機會能夠降低房價抑制投機的市場面的改革,恐怕是牛步向前。政府用社會福利的角度提供補貼,租屋補貼是一種,新清安的利息補貼是一種,但真正的問題從來就是居住世代的不公跟市場的扭曲。 |
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如果我們還是繼續只是用社會福利的角度提供社宅提供補貼來只有這樣子的角度來看待住宅政策。大家想要討好青年又不敢得罪建商。扛公家之慨卻沒有辦法解決問題。本期主張政府的思維應該轉從社會福利轉向社會投資啊。什麼叫社會投資?大家都講青年世代國家的未來。他們不應該是投資客獲利的工具。不應該也不... |
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也不應該絕望,不應該對未來躺平以對,解決青年的住房問題就是解決青年少子女化的問題,就是找回國家的未來最直接最有效也最務實的方式。我們需要政府將住宅問題再公共化,讓它回歸使用價值,要從整體市場面推動改革方案,在於改善買不起跟租不好的兩大困境來確保居住權。 |
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蔡政府8年的打房措施本席自認為是不及格的。深水區的改革始終不願意碰觸。但是德賴清德總統曾經提過囤房稅2.0的想法也馬上要上路。請院長或部長簡單說明具體的內容。這樣的政策能不能增加建商的持有成本,避免囤積居奇,大搞限售鎖盤。什麼時候推動上路?預期的成效跟目標又是什麼?囤房稅2.0可能要請財政部來回答。 |
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委員一定是關心最近談到所謂新清安的問題那財政部已經就代後管理的加強做了很多這個因應的措施至於說稅制的問題我想再請部長來做說明跟委員報告有關房屋稅條例修正了以後在今年7月1號開始會上路那對於建商我們是按照要他時間內然後 |
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這很重要。 |
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因為我們前面當然不管是院長或是部長大部分的時間都談建設社宅都談租屋補貼都談包租貸款這些我也都支持可是我剛剛講的政府的邏輯不能只有社會福利要有市場面的改革囤房稅就是一種市場面的改革而且你政府已經推了方案甚至即將上路沒有什麼道理院長部長不曉得的好不好剛剛財政部長講的很清楚 |
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這個囤房稅會針對建商只有兩年的寬限期嘛,如果兩年內不把該賣的都賣掉,後面就會增加他的持有成本。請問院長,請問兩位部長,這樣子的一個政策上路之後,你有沒有預設目標?比如說我要把房價指數的往上的趨勢壓平,或者是有沒有具體的一個數字,大概多少時間內還有多少信心可以完成? |
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當然 |
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內容部長講得很清楚,但是我的問題是什麼?我的問題是政策目標。也就是說我要把房屋指數往下降,降多少? |
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或者是有什麼樣的一個具體的方向?你們在推動這個的時候總有一個政策成效吧?它預期的成效會是什麼?比如說我因為這樣的兩年寬限期,全國中央歸戶這樣的一個政策設計,多少年內可以釋出多少餘屋,改善市場供需不均衡的狀況?你們有相關的數據跟政策目標的具體想法嗎? |
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好 沒關係好 |
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我第一次都沒關係,但是我希望後面我們在追蹤題目的時候,各式各樣的數據,院長要把它記在腦子裡面,大的方向至少要有。比如說我就覺得你們可以講25萬戶社會住宅,20幾萬戶的這個包租貸款,租屋補貼,50萬的租屋補貼,你看我都會背了,對不對?這是你也會背,大家都會背,可是不會只有這個嘛,對不對?好,你既然講剛剛大家擅長的我就來講。 |
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劉思芳部長在內政委員會答詢的時候也講2032年以前新辦25萬戶社會住宅25萬戶包租代管50萬戶的租金補貼提供100萬戶的這樣子的一個供給量這樣的政策目標八年的大目標大家都可以講但是我很好奇的是萬一如果做不到誰負責怎麼負責 |
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但是我們總不能從現在就惡意推定你八年之後一定做不到,這樣子好像也太看衰政府,我們也不會這麼不講道理。但是如果你只用八年的大目標去框這個東西的話,我覺得恐怕對於大家追蹤政策的成效來講是有負面的影響的。請問有沒有更細緻的,比如說逐年或是每兩年它的政策目標是什麼,方便所有的關注住宅議題的所有的立委也好公民團體也好可以有效來追蹤,請問有想法嗎? |
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謝謝委員的關心。我想您講的部分,我們在8年內達到百萬租屋加戶的這個計畫一定會達得到。為什麼?因為到目前為止,包括這個包租貸款或是租金補貼其實已經達到原來的目標。那比較慢的部分就是所謂的直接興建設宅的部分。那直接興建設宅的部分到今年年底的時候已經達到大概8千萬。 |
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我不要聽今年的,我要聽一年後、兩年後、四年後、八年後。請你去整理,好不好?請你去整理,我希望你每兩年有一個兩年的階段目標嘛,比如說分四個階段來達成,這樣是不是大家追蹤比較具體,中間出了問題我可能會及時來調整,而不是說因為八年以後可以達成總量。 |
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我希望有逐年詳細的目標我也希望院長要立軍令狀萬一沒有達成是要有負起政治責任的這樣子的一個心理準備我們才會相信這政府在推動社會住宅政策推動包租貸款等等的時候是玩真的最後一個題目是有關於租屋的品質因為時間有限我們就不多花時間來做論述了這個地圖是夜間人口跟戶籍人口的差異這個在新北台北桃園新竹縣市大體上晚上的人都比白天人多 |
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意思是什麼?除了有少部分是夜班或者是移工之外,大部分其實就租屋客群居的地方啦。因為他不在戶籍人口之內,但是在性命調查的時候,他是被統計在人在這個位置的。這個租屋族到底有多少人啊?我們光是討論這件事搞不好可以討論30分鐘。因為租屋市場是一個黑市啊,我們沒有人能夠很清楚的了解這樣子的一個數字。 |
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這是一個大的問題所以說除了剛剛講的囤房稅之外啊租屋市場的透明化其實也是非常非常重要的根據朝院的調查租屋的青年的困擾不可以戶籍不可以領租補不可以報稅租金過高價格不穩定這些東西都會讓政府推動 |
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租屋或者是住宅政策的政策品質受到一定的影響所以本席希望長期你可以推理的8年100萬戶但是短期之內軟體的政策也要同步達成本席講的就是租屋市場的透明化本席的草案本黨的草案基本上都已經送進內政委員會準備來做排審我想請問中央政府針對租屋市場透明化有沒有修法的規劃有沒有具體的時間表 |
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我先跟委員報告一下目前我們在百萬租家戶裡面所謂的包租貸款或是租金補貼的方式其實已經超過有60萬到70萬的這樣的家戶那所以我們會針對說他在租屋的過程當中包括您剛所說的這個租屋市場的津貼也好或是租屋市場的價格是否夠透明化可以提供給更多或是年輕人來做參考 |
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那我現在了解說像臺北市政府他們願意呢來幫忙就是把這個所有在這個網路上面的這個租屋的這個安全網設定一個讓大家可以公開跟透明化來看一下這個房價是不是合乎的部分沒有沒有 |
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因為原來在網路上面就有這樣的租屋補貼的方式,但是它是不是夠透明化?那有願意縣市政府要投入來幫忙的話?沒關係喔,如果看起來沒有這麼快提版本喔,那我們的版本就先來排審。那排審的時候,我希望行政院用開放的態度,我們充分來做討論,好嗎?針對租屋市場透明這一塊,包租代管跟租屋補貼逐步的來納入,讓租屋市場恢復正常。 |
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大家以後才可以比較理性也比較清楚的討論政策,希望內政部是準備好了。好,最後總結一下,我們的政府樂觀但人民保守,其實原因還是分配不均。94%的人擔心物價,80%的中小企業缺乏關愛,65.7%的產業受限低薪問題,我們的房價越打越高,人民越來越苦。 |
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謝謝委員的提問,這個問題我們是列為很重要的政府未來的工作 |
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謝謝牛許廷委員質詢。謝謝卓院長的背信。現在我們休息15分鐘。謝謝。 |
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報言會現在我們繼續開會。接下來我們請何欣淳委員質詢。好,謝謝院長。我們是不是首先請我們卓院長。再請卓院長備詢。 |
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陳委員好卓院長好首先先跟你加油還有很多很大的挑戰在面前那我想這一次的國會擴權法案我們政院已經提出副議那明天立法院就要進行質詢不知道卓院長的期待如何因為之前你曾經指出你比較樂觀我必須樂觀因為我相信每個委員都是經過選民選上來的 |
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應該都有民主的DNA,都有民主的向往,那希望透過民主的程序再讓大院來討論、審視每一個我們認為自愛難行的條文的內容。我覺得這就是一個民主的機會,再次的審視,那再次的能夠有機會重新再看看能不能讓社會也接受,那我們來執行起來也沒有自愛難行。 |
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你說過要透過這個過程讓人民好好的知道、理解。民主最寶貴的地方也就是在這裡。所以我也希望接下來兩天的立法院有關復議案的質詢能夠順利。我也希望禮拜五的復議案能夠 |
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成功這個我們還必須要再加油因為還有很大的挑戰在面前那為什麼會提到這個因為在這個國會擴權法案通過之後監察院有發出嚴正的聲明說這個法案是違反了這個權利分立也違反了目前的五權憲法的一個架構那所以在我們行政院提出賦予的理由有提到這個 |
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這一次的國會擴權裡面有關的一些包括啟動調查或者是啟發相關的一些法條裡面的這個要求會變成是如果清查政府弊案屬於監察院或司法機關的職權範圍也就是我剛剛說的這一次國會擴權法案是 |
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我請教院長你會建議監察院也去提釋憲嗎? |
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當然是監察院的憲法職權,但是五院的體制要維持下去,就是每個院的職責要非常的清楚,而且互相的搭配,互相不去踩線。行政院對立法院負責,但是我們還有司法權、監察權,各司不同的憲法的職務,尤其是司法權。 |
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任何人都不是法官只有法官檢察官才是法官那他們所做的事情就單純於司法人應該做的事情而不是拿到這裡用表決 |
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一個人該不該移送一個人該不該被划緩這不是用表決的方式一個人能不能請律師這個也很重要這關乎人權我的意思是說我相信這一次的復議案當然我們希望樂觀看待他能夠過關那這是人民意志人民展現了相當大的民意的一個成功那如果不能過關那接下來的下一步就是釋憲那行政院 |
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也表示我們在遵守憲法,捍衛憲法,維護這個五院體制。 |
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好謝謝院長這個我們還必須要再加油接下來我關心的是之前其他委員曾經也關心過的這個不僅僅是人要有食安那寵物也有食安那寵物的食安在現階段受到廣泛的一個注目那過去曾經有狗的飼料出問題那現在最近有貓的飼料出問題院長你知道這一件事對不對 |
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對我覺得這個對寵物大家把他當作生活的陪伴對他的照顧應該要多一點所以我們認為這個動保法裡面的專章啊對你曾經回答說我們未來動保法的專章要來談這個寵物的管理嘛那現在在還沒有動保法的專章 |
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行政院院長還沒送到立法院嘛年底嘛對不對那還沒有的情況之下那現在貓飼料出問題了我們如何管上一次所謂的貝利跟這個貓飼料都出現了這個飼料上的一個危機那有市主就反映貓咪吃完之後出現的這個低血價或者是身體不適等這個狀況那這個事件是不是請我們陳部長可以來簡單檢調報告一下 |
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那非常謝謝那個委員的關心這個有關於寵物食品的議題那現在跟我們整個的未來的食品會有一個專法專法包括整個食品的從進口以後的追溯整個系統要有完整的追溯才能夠處理那現階段我們現在有針對有關於飼料本身的這些病原及微生物還有它有害物質有一個有一個鑑定的方法有一個鑑定的方法有標準 |
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對,然後有這樣的標準的話我們就會查核那過往我們大概一年只查100件左右我們現在今年開始就已經開始我們會加倍到300件到500件那到現在為止已經抽了大概110多件 |
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所以要加倍抽檢大概三倍大概三倍三倍以上對不對那請問一下那我剛剛講的那個已經發生的事件那我們如何處理那第二個聽說事主自行的去檢驗飼料有驗出三聚氰胺跟黃毒橘素那這個有相關的法規嗎有相關的標準嗎我們可以處理嗎我們有標準但是因為您說的那個部分是他大概有去了解嗎沒有 |
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目前為止你超越的、超減的都沒有超過? |
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對那原來那個低血症的那些飼料的部分經我們檢查他的飼料也沒問題那我們也召開了專家會議那專家會議說那你有就這個你們的檢驗的結果跟專家會議的結果有第一個當然要公告了公告周知第二個 |
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有跟這位這個事主有聯繫嗎?有去查清楚、弄清楚這雙方之間的落差到底在哪裡?因為我們這邊官方檢驗出來是說沒有問題。但是事主卻說有問題。 |
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那如果我們沒有辦法把它理清楚說明清楚的話這資訊的落差或者是檢驗結果的不一樣會造成所有的這個貓氏族們的一個人心惶惶不安心啊我了解對我跟委員說明就是他當初那個氏族本身的低血鉀正本那我們開了專家會議那專家會議沒有辦法排除任何的可能啦因為他的結論說 |
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因為飼料有可能造成,但是飼料裡面的甲它的含量是有超過標準的。所以相對還有其他的原因。那綜合的判斷說低血甲症它是由非常多的因素而造成的。不能完全規則於某一種飼料的部分。 |
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那我覺得這個部分我覺得應該要更用力的說明或更澄清這個要讓事主們安心因為寵物在現行台灣社會我相信不分年齡層 |
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那寵物呢這個議題或是這個在動保法裡面我們相關法律規範的這個每一條生命都是無價的那所以呢我們也希望這個寵物產業呢在我們政府能夠積極有效甚至呢能夠更專業的來管理包括他的食品包括他其他的附屬的一些東西我覺得這個已經談了好多年了我希望政府可不可以加快腳步 |
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對這也是為什麼我們要在動保法裡面有一個寵物食品的專章來特別去做相關的規範。部長我要提醒你喔本來說是要寵物的一個管理專法在你兩年前成立的這個寵物管理科的時候就在講了拖了兩年到現在呢發現不行了我們等不到專法那你說要在動保法裡面有一個專責的篇幅 |
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但是呢你又說要到年底那我希望呢可不可以盡快盡快因為呢趁這個機會把相關的這個寵物的一個管理制度包括他的食品相關的東西附屬產品我覺得這個是關乎了很多千千萬萬在養寵物的人這個我們人民大家是非常關心我們的寵物的這個健康跟相關的一個事務啦所以這很重要啦好不好 |
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我們在下個會期一定會提出 |
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下個會期提出我們就等著您提出我們好好的來討論因為據說寵物的這個相關的這個產業的產值高達五六百億這個也是看我們農業部的報告的是不是而且相關的從業人員也很多養寵物的人更多甚至台灣在這一方面就我知道的中小企業裡面就寵物的相關產品的一個產業鏈也非常的完整 |
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那如果說我們可以把這個寵物管理的這個專章如果制定好管理的制度也把它建制好那我們是不是甚至可以進一步的跟國際接軌協助這些廠商外銷出口 |
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對,我們就是朝這樣的一個目標去前進。是不是?好,部長再拜託你好不好講。接下來我要問院長,講到產業,我們最近大家都在談AI半導體很好,尤其我們部長也是來自相關的產業,但是我必須還是要跟院長請命, |
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我知道委員所在的選區 |
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臺中是我們傳產的重鎮,很多其實隱形冠軍也不乏在裡面。也很多。那當支撐了臺灣很長時間的一個經濟發展,那現在我們朝高科技發展的情況底下,我們一直講說數位轉型,也不能去忽略了這些中小微企業跟傳統產業當然包括在內,那我們在這高科技的很多的補助當中,那是 |
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因應高科技整個發展的快速但是回頭來我們要讓傳產不會失去它的競爭力甚至把科技引進數位引進到這個傳產的管理上面來那這一點我想 |
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國發會、國科會、還有我們經濟部都有很多的作為。來,院長,你講得很好。但是我要提醒一件事情。不是所有的傳統產業、中小企業都能夠數位化、高科技化。我們要非常仔細地去盤點。你剛剛提到我來自的選區台中。台中市的這個機械業、汽車、五金融、 |
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我認為數位化是一個趨勢,智能化是一個趨勢,但是那是要稍有規模以上的公司、工廠才可能負擔得起,那不是政府用花就有辦法做到的。我們政府要協助他們,也要公司、工廠他們有資本、有能力再投入,這投入是一筆錢,這一筆錢如何再由政府來協助他們,這個才是重點。第一個是 |
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但是﹖ |
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我請主委回答 |
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我舉個例子 |
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很多大廠、很多螺絲廠我們進去盤點它有2萬多顆螺絲但是一個機器用不了那麼多螺絲是因為他們不懂得效率去共用零件那我們就會協助他共用零件然後共用採購、共用資本另外我們在創新創業會引導創新創業的人才進到這個地方來幫忙做它的自動化的部分 |
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主委我知道政府有這些措施但是我會要求你去盤點一下政府的這些措施到底呢有幫助到多少的中小企業您所說的以你剛剛講的工具機為主的話有多少間公司而這些的公司的在整體的比例又是佔多少我會提醒你這一點是什麼我這個頁面最重要的一句話中小企業數百萬家就業人口因為中小企業傳統產業照顧 |
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我希望政府照顧得到他們 |
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謝謝何新淳委員的質詢,也謝謝卓院長的備詢。接下來,我們請登記第55號陳玉珍委員質詢。再請卓院長備詢。 |
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今天這個新聞有報導有漁民募集共軍的這個東溝市的這個東溝市級的這個河前艦在這個臺灣海峽這個應該是海峽的中線海峽中線不到海峽中線應該是比較偏我們金門這邊這個發現那通報有通報有漁民通報 |
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那我們這個海軍有獎勵軍民合作以前有提出一個獎勵辦法發現軍艦跟公務船這個民眾回報有獎金您知道這個辦法嗎? |
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知道嗎?是。好,這個。那我們不會說,我們不宜來曝光這個漁民的身份。那想知道過去5年齁,成功拍下軍艦領獎後,領獎金的案件數有多少?跟委員報告,我們大概112年是通報一件獎金1萬,121年是通報3件獎金3萬。 |
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在之前的比較多,那我手上還沒有一個數字,那如果會後有...那您看部長,那您看這個拍下這些公務船啊、客沿船啊,這個這幾年有沒有增加這個趨勢?通報的這個趨勢?沒有,反而降低。反而降低齁?我剛剛講就是說111年,111年比較多,111年以後只有三屆,112年只有一屆。那院長您了解說為什麼這個前件會在這裡浮起來呢?院長。 |
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請國防部還在瞭解這整個過程跟他實際上的為什麼這個原因?跟委員報告,我們按照我們相關的情節手段已經有掌握相關的這個潛艦的動態,然後在中線以西…講慢一點大聲一點聽不清楚 |
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在中線儀器以浮潛的方式來進行,那相關其他我們因為涉及到一些我們情節的手段,我想細節的部分我們知道偵查手段,你知道原因嗎?根據我請教這個軍事專家的結論,他是這樣說,他說這個臺灣海峽這個中線儀器這個地方因為是潛灘,比較危險,所以這個潛艦經過那個地方大概都用浮航的方式來進行。 |
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這是我請教軍事專家的是,那個地方相當的在只有幾十米而已啊?比較淺啊?幾十公尺而已所以如果這個我們請教軍事專家齁如果確實這樣子大概也要把資訊公開因為這個大概有就不是怎樣的說非常的好像是什麼兵凶戰危啊不要弄到這麼好像很緊張齁那院長請問您了解金門嗎?我去過金門去過金門幾趟 |
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兩三趟吧兩趟啦我公開記錄是有兩趟我看到是有兩趟因為我知道您甚至也是民意代表出身嘛所以一定也是以這個民意民意為依歸也解決人民痛苦也是大概你從以前開始擔任民意代表一樣的好到現在擔任這個行政院長我們看到媒體報導您到金門過兩次一次是2018年的12月擔任行政院的秘書長陪同我們現在的賴總統那時候的行政院長去看 |
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另外一次是很早以前2006年6月當任總統府秘書長的時候陪同陳水扁總統去前線看防務的整備這兩次應該都還有印象吧 |
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有印象,那您看看金門之前是實行這個戰地政務,在民國81年以前實行戰地政務,11月7日又解除戰地政務,比台灣解除戒嚴是76年晚了5年。那您看從解除戰地政務到現在這個民主政治這個發展,那開始全面性的建設。您知道這一段的這個時候金門跟台灣,因為你現在貴為行政院長,不是 |
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您看這個跟台灣其他縣市這個歷史軌跡你有了解嗎? |
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我一直很希望能夠再到金門去,看看金門那個很有特色的建築物,以及經過戰地政務解除之後,我覺得它的社會風情有相當大的改變。人跟人之間可以更緊密的接觸,而且產業、觀光也有跟以前不一樣的發展趨勢。戰地政務時期遺留下一些歷史問題,不知道院長有沒有了解? |
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那個也是一個歷史的記憶,我覺得那個保存下來對金門來講就是一個資產。對,除了是記憶以外當然是觀光資產。事實上還有幾樣是跟人民權利有相關的。我先讓您先有一個概念。最重要在金門來講,長年不斷的陳情問題大概就是土地的問題。 |
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所以環地移民一直是非常重要的政策,那政策之前就是後來軍方慢慢撤軍,所以軍方很多土地,早年軍方來以後佔了很多土地,包括有些地方埋地雷,所以很多金門鄉縣的土地它就不能進入營區,也不能進去,像我們以前小時候掃墓的時候,只有掃墓可以進去,阿兵哥幫我們開起來,我們走進去這樣子。 |
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現在慢慢撤軍,軍人就從以前的比如說10萬大軍到現在很少了,到現在很少人,那現在慢慢很多營區就是環地漁民啊,就撤出來就空了,空了就還給民眾。那之前我們在修離島建制條約的時候有規定說,在民國109年以前啊,就是大家可以就是把土地要回去。 |
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但是那時候還要大家花錢買回原來祖先留下來的土地那是到109年以前那截止但是問題是國軍的這個撤軍不是一天撤完他是慢慢慢慢撤到現在事實上還有慢慢有一些營區慢慢在撤出當中那請問如果在109年以後撤出了這些營區那也有百姓的土地可是因為我們離島建立條例的時間已經到了購回土地的時間是109年後來就沒有這個法源依據了 |
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那現在民眾要怎麼辦呢?跟委員報告一下,這個就是涉及到那個離島建設條例的第九條。對對,第九條。所以我想委員應該都很清楚,它是有一個公告期限。對對對。如果在公告期限內就是可以申請以當年的公告地價來購買。 |
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30366.946 |
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沒錯沒錯那當初那個軍方說這前面都知道齁就是軍方說因為他常回一個公文比如現在還在使用比如說去年我們還在使用所以你沒有辦法申請購回因為還是屬於軍方在使用的營區那這幾年軍方有一些營區也慢慢撤出了那百姓開始要求說那我們的土地可以還給我們的那可是109年已經過了那不然我們國防部長也是大律師你看這個有沒有什麼不用修法的解決方式 |
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您知道我的意思嗎?就是法源是到109年但是土地是在109年軍方才撤出才開始讓民眾申請購回那在這之前購回的時候申請的時候軍方說對不起我們還在使用你不能購回 |
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委員我的理解好像是在103年國安會修法的時候,當時就已經檢討了沒有公用需求的這一個你再說一次,大聲一點就行 |
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在103年國安會立法修正離島條例第9條條文的時候就已經檢討就是說沒有公用需求的部分就已經都交出來了那事實上是很多現在是慢慢測現在還有營區是有慢慢的交出來在109年到現在113年還是有這樣的情形這個事情要怎麼處理這一類的情形您回去研究一下國安部長也是法律專家像這個時間109年已經過了 |
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但是事實上軍方現在撤出的這是第一點那第二點還有早期因為基本上有很多島內生活很多到南洋去我們叫做裸歡那現在這些鄉親旅居南洋的這個僑親資訊不了解所以錯過這些時間有沒有什麼彌補的方法有沒有什麼購回的權利您了解嗎不用規定到109年但是他們在南洋可能慢慢的才收到訊息 |
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我的了解好像是後來在110年的時候,那個國安會好像還是有在邀請金門跟連江縣政府,包括其他內政部啊,財政部、國產署、單位研商。然後內政部的有認為就是說李老建設條例的第九條的過回規定呢, |
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我知道我知道,我也問過國產署這個問題,他說如果這樣子也會有這個情形產生嘛,但是我說的不是全部的工地,我說的是至少針對軍方原來這些營區嘛,我也問過 |
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那個就是國產署這個問題以前我也問過109年之前我就問過了他說這樣會到不確定性那開發上土地上有很多各方面的那如果遇到這個情形你們研究一下今天也沒有辦法這邊要到答案但是也要想辦法這個問題民眾這個問題要怎麼解決委員意思是109年截止之後軍方土地才離開對軍方土地有的在之前民眾申請嘛那接著軍方現在撤了 |
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一百零九年之後民眾是不可能申請的。對,因為沒有法源依據。本來就是民眾的,是因為那時候之前申請的時候,軍方說我們還在使用。還在使用。那理論上,如果在台灣地區哪有這種事情,我們的土地就是我們的土地,還可以用。金門地方跟軍方關係比較好,一般軍方說怎樣好,大家就是協商一下看怎麼樣。但是現在法源依據就沒有了。想看是不是怎麼樣來修法來解決這樣的問題啦。 |
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這個你們回去研究一下這個是我跟委員報告我想回去再瞭解一下有沒有您講的109年之後才釋出的這一個就是在那時候申請的這一個部分對您瞭解一下好不好因為有接到不少這樣的陳情案另外一個還有金門這個土地在推動基礎建設的時候會用到私有地那沒有足夠的補償金所以金門很多政府就是用公共設施的時候土地都沒有被補償那原因 |
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早年,院長您瞭解金門的這個政治組織嗎?您瞭解嗎?以前就是在這個,您瞭解台灣省對不對?就是管這個台灣澎湖嘛。那金門是歸福建省管,您知道吧?知道嗎?我們福建省就管金門麻竹,還有淪陷的地區管不到的。 |
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趙玲玥有一個臺灣省。臺灣省這個轄下的地方政府會有一個公共設施徵收補償金。因為我們不是臺灣省,我們是福建省。我的身份證到現在也是福建省。我是福建省金門縣,中華民國。我是福建省,但是我們做那些縣道都是我們自己出錢。 |
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包括到現在是到了彩化法這個後面還會再跟您講比如說早年因為有台灣省那他不管那個水嗎那個自來水的水用水的水他管水那台灣省那以後這些都全部歸給中央去管嗎您了解嗎那金門嗎金門以前就不是台灣省那這個台灣省也沒有以後你知道歸誰管嗎你知道歸誰管嗎在金門 |
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| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
﹚議員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
議員 |
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在臺灣導致中央的事情啊,在金門應該是中央的事吧?像台北市有台北市在管啊?對啊,台北市直轄市啊,直轄市金門平原地區,對不對?所以應該歸給中央管嘛,對不對?那好,沒關係我們幫忙管也就罷了。好,我們來幫忙墊錢。 |
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因為要做一些建設嘛,中央這個經濟部,各位兩位,經濟部和財政部,來,下面兩位,經濟部和財政部,那我們幫忙墊錢吧,墊錢做一些水的這個設施嘛,好,那做設施以後,因為金門縣沒有錢嘛,我們就跟誰借錢,跟你左邊那一位借錢,跟財政部借錢。 |
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財政部借錢,那因為我們是說這個經濟部要做的是水利署要做嘛齁,那是水利署要出錢,所以說啊不然你金門先生你先做啦齁,做了以後以後我們錢還給你,他說沒有錢啊,沒有錢怎麼辦啊,沒有錢跟財政部借啊,我們就跟財政部借錢。財政部我們是不是跟你借的錢? |
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| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
兩位知道嗎?兩位部長知道嗎? |
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金門縣是跟我地方建設基金借了10億來謝謝我讓院長了解一下我讓院長了解現在的情形好那現在這個地方建設基金他們說要結編了嘛就是要結束對不對 |
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| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
總酬分配款 |
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聽說是要溝通被封的管理。這是你應該處理,你左手那個不給錢啊。要還給右手那個,你右手那個要還給左手那個。院長啊,你要主持一下公道。怎麼處理勒?國務院長啊,因為他才覺得你也交不了財,經濟部。他了解他了解,我跟他在財政委員會提過了。 |
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30871.861 |
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對,金門縣政府是跟地方建設基金借錢,那借款期限是5年,那在今年的113年1月已經到期了,那就應該把它還嘛。目前來說,借了10月,還有2億元沒有還嘛。那我們現在跟說經濟部拜託錢來,要還給財政部。那為什麼經濟部怎麼說,2億是? |
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我不是行政院長對不對?這是你們自己中央政府的事情。經濟部什麼時候要換監?你不了解齁?你了解一下喔?是不是反過來?不然這個財政部說要扣我們的什麼統籌分配法。財政部剛剛有跟我講了。因為我問的問題很多,我還會跟他再問,但是院長。 |
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委員因為其實這是兩件事情當然經濟部要當時有承諾說要給予這個水價的一個差價補貼嘛那也給了大概有70%大概在111年已經給金門縣政府差價補貼嘛重點是目前還有30還沒有給那所以這個部分 |
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可是跟地方建設基金借的錢,我們是依照借款。我知道我知道,應該還你們的,可是這是經濟部的事情,你不要在我面前左手右手自己打架,院長你回去想要怎麼處理。這個本來是你們的事情,我們是幫你做,我們是幫你做,那水不就是你們的事情嗎?我聽懂了,那兩筆錢。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
沒有啦我跟你講回歸到底這個水的事情是歸誰管歸我金門縣政府出錢喔這個經濟部財政部這個兩筆錢來來再不要講不要講說我來報告院長再不要講這個錢光這個工我們幫你做欸照財政部講這是兩筆錢歸地方建設基金的還有就是水價補貼的是兩筆錢我們就用那個補貼的錢來還給他嘛 |
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啊不然你叫我們去...因為本來這個錢就是...院長院長你回去了解清楚你回到癥結點齁回到最高的癥結點就是這個事情應該歸誰管這些錢應該誰出 |
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當初經濟部承諾說他會給嘛,我們先電了。我們也沒錢跟財政部見。我知道我知道。是啊,你站在中間嘛,你站在這裡看,左右都是你管的,你回去想想辦法。我必須站在中間,兩邊才能平衡啊。是是是,但是我們不應該站在裡頭,那是你們重要的事情啊。 |
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議長,我知道他在說什麼,他說該還錢的要還啦,你再去跟經濟部要啦。他已經跟我說了,經濟部在這邊...他現在不是這麼說,他說 |
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他是這樣跟我講的,要還嘛,叫我去跟經濟部講,那沒關係,我也不要在這裡跟你爭,因為我還有好多問題,你去瞭解一下,我要回到最源頭,最源頭,最源頭,這個事情歸誰?歸中央嘛,所以幹嘛歸我金門縣政府,要去出錢做這些事情。好,那不過我要跟你講一下齁,倒是齁, |
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﹚大陸接水 |
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但是這個我們依賴大陸的用水事實上很深那但這五年來也的確因為大陸有供水所以在讓我們免於乾旱但是我看兩岸局勢現在這麼緊張對不對所以我建議經濟部也要去盤點一下我們這個這個自由的這個水的這個資源再比如說不管是照水或是各方面要去想一下不然我覺得真的 |
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好,這個... |
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| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
中國跟臺灣兩邊這個雖然社會制度不同對於這個主權的意見還是分歧但是對人民的生活不應該把它當作一個籌碼來對對對所以我們希望善意的對待領導人應該有機會有善意去面對 |
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| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
﹗ |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
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經濟那個我們這個政府我們中央政府這幾年來吼就合定的這個有關的這個相關的這個建設我先跟你講一下小山通路課這個部分吼為什麼談到金門大分都會談到兩岸吼從民國大概90幾年到100多年這十幾年吶不管是哪一位總統吼從這個陳水扁總統呃馬英九總統到蔡英文總統任內吼中央所合定的這個相關的這個建設計畫裡頭金門的定位一直是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
兩岸的和平島 |
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大陸客在金門創造的產值總共大概是一年最少是20億 |
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二十億,那二十億現在入客沒有蒸發一點,我們金門就損失二十億,那損失二十億的話,其實各行各業實際上都蠻慘的,因為沒有觀光客,那加上最近的台海局勢緊張,那台灣的客人也會覺得說好像是不是會危險,所以相對去的也就相對少,那我們的這個江湖在那裡,對於這個金門的這個相關的這個 |
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關光的這個幫助齁,可能要加強一點,一定要加強一點啦,第一個。那第二個,面見不方便喔,我們有一些國家公園喔,我們要求一些民宿業者,或者這些旅店,就是一些小賣店喔,因為這,因為這疫情其實很慘。 |
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現在沒有開放觀光客沒有開放入客又很慘等於是整個收入都非常低所以我們當初在金門跟這個金門這個國家公園開一個會討論就是說是不是這個部分按比照這個疫情期間看觀光客來多少大概大概總共大概不是很多錢幾百萬吧 |
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是不是這個部分比照來減、降低這個減點租金啦,有關國家公園的相關的這部分。這個部分已經送到我們內政部了嘛,內政部已經合了,下一個的單位是財政部。內政部是已經合了嘛,那是不是院長這邊是盡快幫我們合一下。內政部應該可以講一下,內政部了解這個事情吧。 |
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謝謝陳委員您剛所提到金門國家公園裡面的一些招租戶裡面想要租金減免的部分那我們現在就是會依據財政部所說的就是說他原來的租賃貸款裡面如果有約定減租條款或是按照法制作業的話就可以訂定減免的規定 |
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您們想辦法啦齁,這一個部分請院長也是去想辦法啦齁,這個實在現在各行各業都很慘啦齁,那至少政府可以做的部分是國家公園這個部分可以幫忙啦齁,那你來想想看為什麼陸客不來齁,就是齁,你也知道我也是希望 |
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我也不希望這個事情發生在金門,但這件事情就是發生了,也很不幸,就是0214的事件,就是金門當初那個兩個大陸漁民嘛,那不就是繁複,繁複了以後就大體就留在金門嘛,而金門現在這個事情就一直沒解決,我不瞞您說,我去問得很清楚了,金門的沒有開放,連馬祖不是有開放彩線團,也很快會開放了,沒有會來啦,下去就來了,對很肯定,然後 |
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我剛去參加海峽論壇有去請教這個相關事宜我說馬祖我是金門立委我是要金門開放觀光那要金門開放觀光但是就是0214事情沒有解決我也不希望這件事情掛在一起我說真的我真的千不希望他們為什麼當初要這件事情發生在金門金門跟大陸關係一直是相當的良好那發生這個事情我們大家也很遺憾那就是沒有解決 |
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沒有解決的話我們包括有一個金門的鄉親迷航到大鱷去那天你說可以去帶家屬去看這個我也會找時間過去但是現在是這樣子這件事情沒有解決呢我們金門的顧客也沒有辦法開放觀光呢那在上一次我這個事情因為也這麼多天100多天了127天了那之前我在質詢我們這個前一段這個 |
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陳建林院長的時候那個陳院長是那時候他說對於發生密閉事件感到遺憾臺灣是這下面都這些都陳院長講的臺灣是民主法治國家檢察官依證據偵查辦理後才能知道真相該道歉就道歉該賠償就賠償這個卓院長這是陳建林院長說您的立場是一樣的嗎 |
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這是一件重大的事件陳院長已經做過這樣的指示我認為海委會也是朝這個方向在做很多的溝通那即使到現在或許還存在一些問題但是我深刻的不希望因為個案的事件影響到未來雙方的繼續的交流跟發展 |
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部長,現在已經127天了,你要調查多久? |
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跟委員報告齁,那這個案件目前就是在送鑑定在...我知道!你上一任部長我就問他了,他就說在送鑑定,現在...現在還在鑑定還在...請問還要鑑定多久?我們是有希望那個鑑定單位能夠禁訴...禁訴是多久?這部分因為設施專家鑑定,我也沒辦法...你告訴我已經鑑定多久了?你鑑定什麼我告訴你啊,你知道鑑定什麼嗎? |
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這部份是由金門地檢的檢察官偵辦,就是由那個檢察官來做的。從事情上那些,從我開始瞭解宋專家現在好幾個月的捏。 |
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我想這個檢察官這部分他會依法來處理。我知道會依法處理。我即便在法院鑑定也是有一個時間的吧。一個月、兩個月、三個月、五個月還是半年還是兩年。 |
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總要有一個時間吧。我不相信這種鑑定機關給的時間是永無止限的。多久?那你了解一下吧。已經鑑定多久了?連院長都說已經4個月,是不是未免...而且他影響到整個金門的發展。鑑定結果怎麼樣我們不會去那個嘛,對不對?專家會去鑑定。總不能鑑定3年5年吧? |
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這本我們這個意見我們會轉達給不是轉達嘛 院長您是不是覺得也是太久了這個能夠釐清事實釐清事實當然啦 有永無止境的釐清事實嗎 鑑定五年嗎海事的鑑定是不是有它的複雜性 而且專家學者就一條船碰到我們律師在那裡一般那個大律師我們國防部長一般你們的鑑定要進行到三年五年了嗎 那個專業律師在那裡啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
一般經營要那麼久嗎? |
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我們就是讓...我也尊重專家鑑定,但是我不想要...因為他已經講到整個...因為這件事情沒有一個解決金門...我也不願意,我跟你們說我也不願意這樣子,對吧?當然我們也是希望能夠鑑定能夠...大律師這個我們這個國防部長是這個...一般鑑定可以鑑定到已經三個月四個月了,是要鑑定多久了?你看你以你的這個專家經驗...跟委員報告兩點喔,第一點 |
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各案的鑑定長短與否要看這個案子他留存的相關的證據然後的情況然後他們要判斷的這些個別的事就是一條船碰到另外一條船這樣子那兩條船現在都在金門我想我沒有辦法去講說你打了官司經驗有沒有鑑定個五年的你告訴我三年你的經驗就我個人的 |
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過去擔任律師的經驗應該不至於會鑑定這麼久。這是第一點。第二點呢,各案的偵辦一定要尊重。一定要尊重鑑定。 |
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大律師對不起部長謝謝您的這個寶貴經驗沒有那麼久的啦拜託加快速度因為這是涉及重大公益重大這個金門的這個發展好那這個院長所以真心也請您我們不下去影響他到底要怎麼結果總是效率要好一點我會請部長去了解一下鑑定到目前的程度以及未來他可能的時間抓出一個時間點讓我們共同來往那個時間點努力 |
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好,那那個院長我們下去就要修這個財政收支劃分法嘛。我想您自己也在說這個部分的話,你們院也要提出院版嗎?我們院版就是現在的版本。現在版就,因為您不提出新的院版嘛齁。我們只要照這個來把它做一些更合理的討論是可以的。合理的討論是可以,好。我們基本上,我們離島有三個縣市,以前有300億的這個離島建設基金,您知道嘛。那現在? |
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| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
委員長 |
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阿你有公平嗎?我先問你我先問你啦不是我先問你這樣有沒有公平阿跟委員報告有關那個財政收支劃分法我們對於離島的部分因為時間到了我們回財政我知道我知道我們才回財政我會繼續講 |
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謝謝陳義正委員質詢。謝謝卓院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第56位陳金輝委員質詢。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
主席各位官員不好意思我今天發生了緊急的聲帶發言水中的窘境雖然我上台前有吃藥打針可是聲音還是沒有辦法恢復的很好但是我有很多問題想要跟院長還有官員們討論所以懇請韓院長允許我輔助使用葛如軍委員協助開發的AI沉浸會的聲音來進行質詢還有提問謝謝不好意思 |
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本席認為,假使未來有委員遇到相同的狀況,或者是身體上有其極限的委員,比如說健動症的患者,這是未來可以供我們參考的應用。經過此次的質詢,也希望大家可以反思,是不是意識人員部分的工作,我們就交由AI來協助。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
：第11屆第1會期第18次會議 |
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打斷我自己以便回答相信未來呢如果我們可以把這個技術再精進得更好我相信立法院、行政院都可以率先來事辦、試行這樣可以大大的減少我們現在很多醫事人員官員們overload的現象很謝謝主席的允許接下來我想請主任院長還有國發會主委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
31906.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
麻煩再請卓院長備詢。國發費請備詢。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
委員長恭喜陳元豪你辛苦了多保重啊謝謝隨時喝口茶少子化是國外危機這一個蔡前總統的定調目前有沒有改變而過去賴總統當行政院長時主政並推出少子化計畫但他的總統就職演說中竟一句話都沒有提到您認為這代表總統跟行政院還有重視嗎 |
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剛出少子化對策計畫引用林萬億政委的報告說少子女化對策有三個目標確保嬰幼兒的照顧品質與健全成長這個代表數據是幼童死亡率我上次已經質詢過蔡政府跳票性別公平這個是很大的議題 |
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有很多方方面面,但我們現在來檢討第三提升生育率的部分。院長,您知不知道我們最新的生育率數字是多少?不到0.9吧。好,我們來下公布答案。當初 |
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31985.295 |
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32004.02 |
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國發會負責中央政府的人口發展統整,並且花經費做預測系統,名字叫人口推估查詢系統,還把預測做到2070年。院長您用過嗎?您覺得這個系統準嗎?我也已經貼在旁邊,我知道您會說有很多因素, |
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32004.66 |
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32016.655 |
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不過這個系統確實預測失準。你們說要找人口、社會學家、專家討論。那我想問,你們有沒有公視在專門處理這件事?背後的參數是什麼? |
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32037.51 |
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抱歉,這個網站我確實是沒有進去過,但如果存在很多問題,國發會應該要立刻的去查明而且改善。那你現在看到2070年這樣子的數據,我們一年的新生兒只有7萬人,去年我們是大概13.5萬人。13萬多。你有什麼感覺嗎?你覺得這個國發會開發的人口推估預測準確嗎? |
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32043.692 |
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32044.272 |
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好,我們現在公佈答案 |
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32084.452 |
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來,最左邊是我們國發會的網站。原本預測我們2023年、2024年的出生率,我們居然是預測0.95、1.05。我們來看一下。 |
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32090.637 |
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請問就是因為我去看了你們的出生率預測我看了感覺奇怪有點看不懂左邊這張圖表是從民進黨政府執政之後的出生率2016年到2022年是實際值就是確定的我們可以看到少子化對策的成效其實應該是要檢討的執政那麼多年結果出生率一節一節掉我們來細看每一年的數字 |
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32118.353 |
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是0.865啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
32143.508 |
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32155.718 |
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所以我們國家在2021年是全球最後一名2022、2023是全球倒數第二名至今都是一樣韓國2022、20230.7他們預測2024年是0.68他們自己有可是我們預測我們自己是1.05耶這其中是有什麼自信嗎還是貓膩嗎 |
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32173.11 |
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32186.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
報告委員這個預測值如果是呈現是這個樣子顯示當時的預測跟現在時期是失準的那對這個部分政府應該做檢討我們如果把他 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
32188.24 |
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32190.742 |
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我是說你們可不可以預測的不要這麼寬?因為我們來看下一個問題。你們到2070年的預測出了什麼問題? |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
32209.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
為什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
32233.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
32249.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
報告委員我相信當時這樣的預測一定是經過政策的研討之後在政策的輔佐底下算出來的那因為社會環境整個大環境的變遷很多當時可能沒有算到這些但是我現在我承認如果是剛剛那個預測值跟事實上不準 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
32249.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
32252.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
接下來是攸關我們行政院的官員的福祉所以我們來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
32282.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
32299.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
我們要來看公家單位的狀況。你們的計畫裡面說要擴大公部門托育服務示範效果。除了現在有洽簽特約方式外,希望各機關托育需求評估設置托育設施。這點現在進度如何? |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
32302.369 |
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32318.243 |
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就拿這個行政院來看吧他可能很多是空間的設置都受到規範而且沒有做這個需求的調查那這個部分如果放到各個單位各個部會去也許都面臨類似或是不同的問題那我們可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
32319.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
32344.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
對今天委員所提出的這個問題我們來做討論這個公務機關曾經人事有去調查過他們的需求他們都有提出需求像海委會對托嬰需求有22個孩子托兒需求有48個孩子外交部有11個孩子托嬰的需求22個孩子育兒的需求結果呢我們搜尋了你們自己建立的網站 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
32345.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
32359.188 |
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因為院長說得很好,少子化方方面面,托育也是您自己說的,0到6歲國家養也是您自己說的,可是看這邊喔,行政院、海委會、外交部是通通沒有進度啊。這個部分我跟委員報告一下,事實上要設這個托育中心我們在衛福部有一些比較嚴格的一個規範,那這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
32372.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
32399.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
事實上政府也投入很多的資源像行政院事實上在財政部還有文化部相關部會那行政院部門部本身是因為他的辦公空間的限制那在海委會新的他們在現在在籌辦籌劃蓋的那個大樓裡面他也有把投營的設施直接都納進來那外交部的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
32400.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
32402.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
跟行政院的情況是會比較一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
32402.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
32430.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
但是我是不為他們請命因為像立法院臨近的公務機關也會來登記我們托嬰中心所以現在我們那個候補已經100多個了已經100多個了所以這並不是說沒有需求其實有需求我們既然希望這些爸媽可以多省像如果行政院您願意的話您知道您的副發言人上個週末也辦了揭曉性別party |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
32431.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
32434.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
我承諾我們回去就這個問題真的是要把我來討論檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
32455.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
32482.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
好既然如果沒有特別的設施我們也幫行政院的同仁去搜尋了這個有相關配合的機構結果搜尋得不得了居然托嬰是跟一家在宜蘭一家在高雄做配合那托兒呢是五家台北市的而且很遠啊離行政院都非常的遠所以我 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
32482.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
32511.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
我們在這邊很誠懇的建議可以先從公部門我們把它做好。畢竟行政院是一個這麼大的部門。好的。謝謝委員。好,是。那我們來探討下一個。我們在看蔡政府期間報公央這個人口政策匯報卓院長你也知道106年5月開過一次這個賴清德總統當行政院長的時候停止這個您知道嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
32512.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
32513.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
主委院長你知道嗎?那我們看一下下一頁。 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
32534.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
32561.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
來,那我們再看少子化辦公室也是成立沒多久就結束。每集明說併入少子女化對策方案的業務,但其實就是在停擺。看到右下角簡報的衛福部專題報告內容,衛福部低調地承認少子化辦公室不過只是衛福部內的編組而已,加上國內沒有跟其他單位對話,這也難怪草草退場。 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
32562.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
32575.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
所以院長敢不敢承諾恢復賴清德總統擔任院長時喊卡的行政院人口政策匯報,將少子化這種國安議題至少重新拉升回到行政院層級來嚴肅處理。 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
32578.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
32598.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
我們在推動少子化的少子化的對策計畫當中我們整合了11個部會那現在這個要讓它功能產生如果在院內我們可以舉行這個必要的會議的話讓它能夠功能產生落實下去那少子化的辦公室因為現在衛福部已經在這個業務上面這個政策上在做確診執行了我們請衛福部來答詢一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
32602.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
32630.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
好,我想少子化是我們一直所有部會都認為是最重都把它當成是一個追求的一個目標所以相關的政策都會跟少子化來相關院長剛有別的委員問到我們這個少子化計畫快要結束了快要結束了,到11、3年我們認為對國家未來有必要的計畫在時程上我們可以來調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
32633.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
32653.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
好,剛有提到就是要育嬰育兒的方面要顧嘛,所以我們也來看一下,其實我剛剛才跟邱部長去參加WHA的一個世界醫師聯盟的早餐會,這個會長他是一個北歐的女醫師,他聽完我們的育嬰, |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
32654.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
32657.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
我今天想讓院長看一下我們是如何落後於世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
32670.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
32691.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
但我們直接來看勞動部勞動及職業安全衛生研究所在110年提出的育嬰留職停薪津貼政策對於育兒勞工之影響及相關輔助政策探討150幾頁的報告我們整理了報告中研究其他國家的經驗與數據後發現我們真的跟不上國際 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
32695.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
32717.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
不論有薪資的州數或生育率這些國家都是比我們還要高所以我要呼籲院長如果國際做得到我們沒有道理做不到也不用那麼多藉口理由就是提高產價的州數就算不是一次到位12州但從我們輸產其他國家的州數真的要趕快趕上 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
32719.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
32731.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
剛剛我們有提過我們會跟透過勞動部跟勞僱雙方啊來談一個未來合理的進步但是我也很嚮往台灣成為北歐那種社會福利國家但是我們應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
32732.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
32734.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
分享日本政府的做法。 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
32755.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
32784.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
因為日本的社會風氣導致男性要申請育嬰假會遇到更多的挑戰跟困難所以他們的後生勞動省就要求100人以上的企業應該要訂定男性育嬰假目標從上而下改變育兒環境不只有給女性更多的補貼與休假我們更要鼓勵男性承擔起照顧養育的意識與責任這樣才能達到家庭分工的平權 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
32785.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
32812.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
真正讓所有的勞工都受到照顧與保障這部分具體建議院長希望可以多多學習國外好的經驗追求平權是我們一向的目標那好的政策無論是哪一個國家我們都希望吸取新的知識新的政策我們來做一些評比跟研究謝謝我很期待這個少子化計畫下一年度的版本 |
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32814.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
32840.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
這是今天才公布的,我們來看一下。卓議院長,今天瑞士洛桑管理學院IMD針對今年世界競爭力有一個最新的報告。臺灣在世界競爭力的整體排名今年是第8名,但是我們醫療與環境卻是第24名,並且回顧過去5年的成績,其實都沒有進步,在24與26名之間徘徊不淺。 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
32847.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
32870.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
臺灣的醫療技術與服務是聞名全球這無可否認。上個月我代表前往WHA參加各種國際會議與各國專家學者們交流時大家都是先讚嘆臺灣醫療服務一級棒很感謝各國代表的讚美與祝福但有一個真相卻是頂級醫療服務品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
32872.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
32895.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
是所有醫護人員協和打拼所成就出來的。反觀政府對於醫療環境基礎建設的投資卻是寥寥無幾,成效有限。本席一再強調臺灣的醫療是建立在協和醫護之上,僅用著第24名的醫療建設卻有世界第一名的醫療品質。 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
32897.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
32918.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
現在仰賴的就是醫護的熱情和愛本期非常擔心燒完用完的一天總規矩請院長能多多為醫護著想改善醫療環境雖然我們在過去幾年我們的公衛體系有受到國際的矚目跟一定成就但是剛剛這個評比 |
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32921.309 |
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32928.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
與其去看評比內容的項目我倒願意優先看看我們實際的醫療環境哪個地方還是缺失的我們直接來補齊 |
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32951.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
32954.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
接下來我們來看賴總統的健康臺灣有一個三高一勝的免費篩檢也就是說我們把 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
32978.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
32987.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
首先承認預防保健服務已經做了快30年主要是針對40歲到65歲以上的國人每3年做一次65歲以上再做一次更全面的檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
33008.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
33029.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
但根據近10年健檢利用率顯示,其實免費健檢門檻下降到30歲的這份禮物,看似很美,其實效益不大。尤其每一年近10億元的支出,利用率卻連續三年未超過三成,實在很難看出來政府做了何種改變。 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
33033.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
33052.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
這樣可以理解嗎?他的利用率很低欸而且六都喔比如說台北市他的利用率是不到20%你們想得出來原因在哪裡嗎?我覺得這個美意是非常好但是他的利用率這麼低部長知道為什麼嗎?原因相當的多請委員先指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
33061.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
33089.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
我們來播...院長,勞動部要求企業雇用勞工時應做勞工體檢。另外勞工在職期間還需要做一般健檢。這某種程度上其實就是重複了。本席認為為了避免浪費行政資源,行政上不要跌床架屋,更不要增加血汗健保體制的負擔。政府是否應考慮更周全做法? |
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| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
33118.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
報告委員我覺得預防是一個有效的提早治療的方式之一甚至可以減少健保的支出那麼勞工朋友或是在公司裡面的同仁有這個體檢的福利是受到很多人歡迎的但您說的重複應該是在進到一個工職場的第一年或是才會比較可能發生吧 |
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我先講一下為什麼因為這個六都都有跟我反映基層的醫師第一他的公司已經提供他幾乎跟你們提供的都一樣了所以呢他就會做公司的他不會來做政府運用的但是有一個很基本的前提你的數據就失真了 |
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因為他如果沒有來做政府提供的你原利用率只有20所以你最後輸出的我們的慢性病流行病學就是那20%他可能沒有公司的體檢可能這個沒有自費去一些高階的機構做體檢所以這一群人他有代表全部台灣人的數據嗎不代表 |
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接下來呢你可能會根據你調查到的這些慢性病的數據再去分配各縣市的健康投資嘛但是你連第一關的數據都不太對的時候你分配的資源一定又有偏差所以這件事情跌床架屋既然我們是AI內閣 |
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議長也承諾說台灣未來要走向AI的導向我們就是要利用醫療數據大數據幫助我們施政可以更有效率嗎可是你看現在衛福部在做的事跟勞動部在做的事是重疊的是疊床架屋的報告委員依照 |
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我個人的經驗,我在台大醫院工作那麼多年,那應該電腦的系統不至於說會把勞檢跟員工健檢或者是所謂的成人健檢的data去重複。 |
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沒關係其實問題是這樣子我也幫大家解釋一下他如果去私人的機構不一定這些資料會串聯到我們的健保資料庫因為有隱私的問題 |
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所以其實這個其實是因為卓院長現在在這邊所以我也希望卓院長可以看到部會之間的溝通協調問題如果有您來領導其實他們中間許許多多的醫護是做了重複的事情 |
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對但是資料沒有串聯這個問題很大可是我們還是要去請教相關的法律專家未來有沒有機會把它串聯起來比如說私立機構或者是勞檢他願意配合的我們給他誘因 |
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是。 |
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報告委員首先我們珍惜醫療資源所以重複的檢查要避免我們才能夠在更緊縮的成本裡面來因應健保的所需要同時我們要更珍惜醫療的資訊所以能夠串聯起來我覺得我們到大醫院去他都會填一個是不是能夠在雲端看自己的這個所有檢查報告那如果能夠落實到非大醫院其他的 |
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是﹖ |
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保委員那個因為現在我們過去20年來也把醫療跟醫院跟基層做了很好的結合不管是在分級醫療或者是像一些社區醫療群其實基層醫療跟醫院的資訊是尤其是數據方面比較 |
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33364.094 |
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好,我們會繼續追蹤這個接下來是要問許許多多癌癮我們關心的我覺得這個議題是吵滿久所以其實我們可以直接回答卓院長、邱部長有沒有這個支持把這個癌症新藥基金把它法制化呢? |
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33381.004 |
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我們現在在113年的新藥的預算已經有增加了那同時我們這個健保總額底下的暫時性支付預算專款也有24億兩個加起來將近接近50億接近50億那未來我們要朝向建立一個在籌措適當的裁員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
主席 |
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是,這邊是希望可以法治化永續的裁員,這個則是我們所有癌症病有最關心的。再來我也是直接用講的,因為時間不夠。這個新聞上個週末被轉載了,相信部長知道,有一位急診室醫生發出了悲歌,而且還是醫學中心的急診室醫師。當天護理排班排不出來,而且這個不是當天,這個其實是常態。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
緊急調度其他單位還好其他單位有人力給調度過假使其他單位也很忙那就完蛋了因為那天他們用美國十分之一的人力美國三分之一的薪水創造了臨死亡率有兩個40多歲的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
剛剛部長有說什麼? |
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我想集中症的醫護人力是我們非常最近非常重視的問題而且這是關鍵中的關鍵那在過去我們政府也有提出要研討繁重津貼這個部分那在繁重的津貼裡面最近的一個討論發現說大家都覺得自己很繁重 |
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所以我們就會,所以這個會在研議,然後其他的一個中長期的一個負病比的獎勵或其他的環境的改善,我們申請了一年大概有40億,大概4年會有100多億來補助。好謝謝,因為我們明天還要繼續寫商界寶法。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
接下來我剩下最後一點點時間希望幫我們高雄左營爭取 |
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請卓院長、教育部政部長、國發會劉主委、工程會陳主委、主計總處陳主計長可以一同列席。那我跟高雄所有的年輕人聽到清大陽明交代要讓我們高雄都非常的開心。那本席之道我們預計是要設的是分部沒錯吧?是謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
謝謝在這邊其實有個重點要強調不管是未來呢在教育部的溝通還有在行政院工程委員會還有在國發會其實這是一個很大的project可是他是為了我們高雄的子弟 |
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| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
﹚議員﹚ |
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| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
在陳靜雯院長卸任前一周前已經批准了第二預備金後續也需要我們的行政院來協助在高雄的各項建設協助他們工程費用算清楚可不可以請各位官員在這邊盡力協助 |
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| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
謝謝陳金威委員的發言,也謝謝卓院長的備詢。謝謝。報告委員會本會期對新任行政院院長排定的政黨質詢的委員均已質詢完畢。我們謝謝卓院長、各部會首長列席答詢。現做以下決定。下次會議進行立法委員個人質詢、內政組織質詢。謝謝大家。我們現在來散會。 |