IVOD_ID |
160172 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160172 |
日期 |
2025-04-15 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-7 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
7 |
會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-04-15T15:51:11+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-04-15T16:22:23+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:31:12 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ff8fb8a229f5b3ff1e45c0c29713fa9007f87cc90aeb78e3ac6dcee363aecdb3c2cb998dec49867b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
委員發言時間 |
15:51:11 - 16:22:23 |
會議時間 |
2025-04-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議(事由:一、覆議案之處理事項(4月11日上午)。二、行政院院長提出針對美國關稅政策因應作為專案報告並備質詢(4月11日下午)。三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢(4月15日)。四、4月11日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。) |
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那個一開始之後我們來關心一下教育的議題因為那個校園安全大家都非常關注前一兩年在新北市有發生一個土城一個國中三年級的學生被割喉其實那時候整個社會都非常震驚而且憤怒那校園安全是刻不容緩過了去年一整年我們一直在跟教育部溝通希望教育部能夠增加學校的校安人力 |
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一開始的時候教育部他提出來的方案是增加一些學務處的副組長的津貼但因為我們認為說像很多副組長還是由老師來兼啦老師還是有授課壓力另外一方面 |
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面對層出不窮的這些校安的問題應該要有專職的而且有訓練的人來處理所以不斷的建議之下教育部後來也很感謝教育部啦後來有增加了可以新增學務人力方案就是說讓有一些學校他可以選擇看看是不是可以有專職的校安人員但是我覺得這個進度我不是太滿意啦所以今天剛好總執行院長在希望院長也可以 |
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除了政治議題之外下鄉去罵我們之外也可以關注一下教育議題這一個 |
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校安人員部長也上來了我三月份的時候質詢教育部教育部跟我說現在已經請地方的教育局在調查各個學校到底要選擇專職的校安人員還是要兼職的副組長那是我三月多在教育文化委員會質詢教育部給我的答覆但是我實際上問地方縣市政府的實際的答案是還沒有開始調查所以現在很多學校都還沒有選擇 |
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我想要在這邊問院長請問一下這個動作是不是可以加快因為你調查的速度越慢代表說這個政策實施的日期就越往後我們當然是希望校園安全能夠提早一天把關就提早一天我不知道說在進度上面部長可不可以或者是院長在這個場合可不可以給一個承諾什麼時候要完成調查那實際上學校的學務能力可以擴充 |
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報告委員 國教署已經喊請各地方政府來表達意見那這個內容請部長來說謝謝委員關心我想我們從上一個會議起這個學生輔導法院長事實上就一直非常關心怎麼樣去對中小學的輔導跟訓導學問人力不要來拖時間我們從國中這一個部分 |
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陳儒剛才委員也特別提到我們事實上國教署已經今天發文已經...不要...不要一直重複我們今天委員會為什麼還要來這邊問是希望能夠得到一個更明確的答案所以不要重複我現在只要給我一個時間什麼時候要完成調查趕快讓這個政策可以實施我希望說給一個承諾不然每一次問都是說再做了再做了但是就是沒有地方在教學現場就是沒有...就是各地方政府把第一個個校的 |
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那你調查到你不是一個政策實施不是這樣啦不是說抓到機關就是我有發文了啦那至於說地方政府怎麼樣不關我的事如果行政院都把態度都是這樣的話那我們教育我覺得大家要慢慢搞了啦一段話就好了一段話就好了就是今天啊 |
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已經喊醒地方政府,就未來每個學校你是要申請政治學務人力或者是社政副助長不要一直重複我講話,我現在講的就是說你們已經有在調查,那什麼時候要實施嗎?因為我們已經追很久了,現在就是沒有嘛那行政院不能夠只是說我發文了啊,接下來就關我什麼事了,我要搞罷免我沒空啊 |
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不要搞這樣子啦教育政策才是行政院應該要關心的啦什麼時候給我一個期限什麼時候你要一個期限嘛什麼時候要求他們一定要回報嘛不要說只要地方好像教育部都沒有責任一樣 |
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大家現在感覺好像叫一步無所謂地方政府你慢也沒我的事如果你慢都是你地方政府的事跟我中央政府無關我搞政治就好教育跟我無關你們這種態度大家不能接受啦部長什麼時候可以嗎什麼時候等等 |
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五月 地方順利是什麼意思 你會去溝通嗎 你會請地方快一點嗎還是你覺得沒有關係因為公民的文書它要給地方有一個至少一個禮拜的一個調查時間不是至少一個禮拜 部長在交易文化委員會 你們已經講說啟動很久了在今年已經有編有預算 本來就是要支持這一工院長今天在這邊啦 院長你可能不了解啦我們在委員會其實已經質詢過非常多次那每一次的答案都是說調查中 |
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那調查中是要調查一年呢 還是兩年呢 還是五年所以才會在這邊請部長沒有問題 我在跟院長講話不好意思 院長我在跟你講話 可不可以請部長不要插話因為今天是因為在委員會找部長沒有用所以才來院長告訴您說 我們在委員會已經講非常多次 |
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教育部一直說調查中調查中調查中調查很久了所以今天才來告訴院長教育的議題也希望您費點心院長很多政策教育交通經濟環保各方面都要費點心政治我知道你很重視政治的東西去罵我們立委我都尊重但是也要花點時間在教育議題上面可不可以請院長跟部長講一下這個調查要多久可以出來委員的關係要很務實 |
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我們現在是地方的意見分歧所以用統一發展的方式地方的意見沒有分歧喔我的了解是說到底是要學務人力還是要副組長地方都是不同地方對於增加人力都是歡迎的現在就是要對所以請你們快點去溝通好不好可不可以給一個期限我們絕對會到剛剛部長所說的時間那也請委員用你的方式能夠比較公平的來點什麼時間剛剛部長已經說的時間了什麼時候 |
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什麼時候開始是我剛才已經講了公文書的來往因為我在講話你插話我就聽不見你講什麼嘛大家執行執行就一來一往不要大家都大家在講話我當然聽不見嘛你剛剛說幾個月你剛剛說幾號有那麼難懂嗎不是因為我在講話你插話我聽不見你講什麼好不好不是你難懂你在講話怎麼懂我的意思是公文我們自己啊對你不用講這種好像攻擊性的語言好不好是因為你插話你看你現在我講話你又講話那當然我聽不見你講話嘛 |
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教育部長可以不要插話嗎你現在就回答我什麼時間大概什麼時候五月五月喔五月喔五月就會實施嘛第二個我來關心一下現在不知道院長你知不知道現在在教育不管是國中高中都有出現一個行政大逃亡的現象院長你知道嗎行政什麼大逃亡行政大逃亡你說人力嗎 |
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因為大家都不想要去兼行政職那院長您知道現在在國中高中國小是只有一個組是可以由專職的公務人員來做其他都要由老師兼任你知道嗎知道嗎那哪一個組不知道請部長說明一下 |
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你不知道齁 只有總務組可以有公務人員來做其他全部都有老師兼任那我現在告訴院長一個現象現在很多老師不願意去做行政職老師都不願意去做行政職所以學校怎麼去選擇哪些老師來做行政職呢都找那些最菜的 剛進來的老師讓他去兼比如說去兼學務處的什麼生教組長或是其他處的什麼組長 |
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這些老師剛進學校他實際上比如說他可能數學可以教得很好他國語可以教得很好但是一進來不好意思先不要教書先來做生教組長那其實這個對學生來說也是一個損失那老師也不太願意兼所以老師不願意兼那怎麼辦呢那就開代理教師的缺讓代理教師來兼這個行政職我現在是 |
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兩個建議啦 院長聽一下一個建議 你是不是思考一下提高老師願意兼行政職的誘因因為現在做導師的津貼大概是一個月三千塊加有寒暑假對吧 這個部長應該很清楚那行政職的津貼是多少錢一個月差不多四五千塊嘛 |
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所以有些行政職的要兼行政職的老師會覺得說好像做導師跟做行政職那個津貼其實差不了多少所以第一個建議是能不能夠提高如果老師願意兼行政職的津貼可不可以讓有些老師願意多來做這個行政職不曉得院長可以嗎請部長衡量一下我們整個人力的規劃 |
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以及未來財富的負擔怎麼樣那我覺得這個問題是要解決的否則對學校的健全的各項發展是不足那我們往健全去解決問題的方式來講所以你的意思是說提高行政職的津貼這個你覺得可以研議然後去解決這個問題解決這個問題那方式有哪一些那這個部分委員所建議的我們請部長來聊一下那等一下部長一起回答好一起回答第二個建議是這樣 |
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我建議說看是不是因為剛剛講只有總務組長他是可以由公務人員來做那能不能夠開放讓其他組比如說我剛剛講學務處下面其他組的組長也可以由公務人員專職來做那當然這有可能會是有員額的問題就是說是不是要什麼要增加員額那這個部分我不知道可不可以請 |
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人事行政總署來研議一下因為這個現象在學校是嚴重的是嚴重的我們要解決的如果沒有人願意做這件事情的話能不能讓比如說教育行政的公務人員讓他來做就可以解決這方面人才荒嘛那第二就是說我覺得還是要保障老師就是說學校可以排志願嘛第一志願我開缺出來如果老師願意兼很好對不對就解決問題你可能就不用增加員額 |
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那老師願意兼如果沒有老師願意兼就一扣在那邊啊你找代理老師也可以那你也可以找專職的公務人員比如說他是教務行政的來做讓這件事情變得比較有彈性那比較有彈性的話就可以解決學校的人力問題這是我建議啦我不知道說院長您可不可以請教一下可不可以 |
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部長的意見怎麼樣?因為有一些不只是中央預算的問題現在是要地方去我們先有問題我們來想說解決的方法是什麼然後再來討論說預算嘛因為這個是教育嘛教育大家很重視嘛如果院長你也認同部長也認同說這個問題要解決我們應該是思考先把方案提出來再去想說這個財務怎麼去支援嘛我們先解決前面的問題了解部長他的想法再請人事長來綜合說明 |
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跟委員報告我想委員所關心的事實上也是我們教育部跟行政院一直都關心的怎麼樣降低老師的負擔然後包括學校的校事的事務的處理能夠有專人處理這也是為什麼我們在國中這一個區塊裡面優先增加校務校事人力那另外一個怎麼樣去增加各個 |
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這個處事的這些行政專職人員我想他也涉及到國民教育事實上歸屬地方自治的一個管轄我們這邊會跟地方來討論來研議看怎麼樣能夠有一個更好的一個對中小學一個行政上的一個支持的一個制度 |
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有講跟沒講一樣沒關係我把問題跟院長講了啦院長現在教學現場就是有這個狀況那看院長您願不願意找部長或地方政府大家召集一下看看怎麼提出一個好的對策來解決這個問題減輕老師的負擔讓家長也放心這是一個其實大家都在談的話題啦只是說你們都不重視我今天拿來這邊講還有我剛剛講那個校安人力目前教育部提出來的方案是一個嘛對不對 |
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我想我們在這個既有的機會裡面我們逐步來目前的方案是如果國中增加校園人員是增加一個對不對一個可是部長你知道高中啦高中是幾個班一個校園人員你知道嗎高中大概你新增的是國中嘛我現在問你你知道高中大概幾個班一個校園人員你知道嗎 |
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大概六個班就一個校安人員但是我們現在國中新增的校安人員就是教育部提出來方案說五月份要實施的這個方案是六十班以上一個校安人員那現在的高中生需要校安人員不比高中需要所以我覺得當然部長你會提到說是不是財務問題什麼之類的 |
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校園人員越多對校園安全越有保障所以是不是可以朝向增加的這個角度去至少比照高中嘛高中有這個需要國中應該也有這個需要啊那高中是六個班一個國中六十班一個這個差距太大所以我是不是能夠在這邊也跟部長反映啊跟院長反映就是國中的校園人員人數能不能比照高中的比例六個班一個 |
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報告委員這真的要跟地方政府好好談未來人事費的負擔是在地方政府國中的部分你教育部也可以補助啊我現在跟你講教育的議題你覺得這個有沒有必要做如果有必要做再來談下面嘛 |
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我現在談的是有沒有必要做就是你認為國中的校園人員到底有沒有這個需要如果你也認同部長也認同那當然大家就可以思考說這個財務怎麼去分配嘛那如果你一開始就說我不知道我沒錢啊你要問就問地方政府啊關我中央什麼事這個態度就不OK有必要做的事情很多那這件事情真的要跟地方政府去談 |
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我覺得有必要做啦至於說怎麼跟地方政府談那當然就拜託教育部嘛 努力嘛因為校園安全真的是大家很關注的一個現象教育部再跟地方政府好好的溝通了解一下地方的意見不要多推給地方政府啦行政院長也要有主見 |
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再來我想請教一下別的議題我們現在因為美國川普的關稅政策我有看到經濟部長講說他非常認同吃苦當吃補這句話然後郭智慧部長也有提到不經一番寒澈谷,焉得梅花撲鼻香 |
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那其實這句話已經在預測台灣要進入到一段吃苦的時代了然後也要經歷過這個寒澈苦的時代了先問一下郭部長或院長也可以幫忙回答請問一下我們接下來要面臨怎樣的苦跟怎麼樣的寒澈苦這個是形容詞吧我想那個小學大概五年級左右 |
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就可以讀過這一篇你這個比喻嘛我現在問你實際上套用在川普的關稅政策我們接下來要面臨到什麼樣的寒測股嘛台灣我是在講那個情境台灣不會到你所說的嘛 |
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那你認為韓測股台灣配到我所說的為什麼要講不進一般韓測股話都給你講就好了那請問一下吃苦當吃補我們吃苦當...那請你告訴我你的韓測股是什麼情境我來回答你的問題部長這句話是你講的不要反質詢好不好這句話是你講的好那戴總統講說請大家吃苦當吃補請問一下我們接下來要吃什麼苦 |
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因為部長你很認同賴總統講的吃苦當吃補嘛這是鼓勵的話鼓勵的話有的人像我以前小的時候早上要睡到八點才起床現在我六點起床我也是吃苦 |
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動作吃飽啊你說你早上起床是吃苦喔好苦喔以前我都是要睡到八點那為什麼你現在為什麼你現在要六點起床為什麼要六點起床因為我要趕七點上班啊所以你覺得很苦啦坐這個位子很苦啦 |
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那你不會苦那很好所以很苦不是啦今天你部長你怎麼樣你六點起床五點起床不關我們的事啦我們是在講我們是在講那個情境喔等一下請不要一直打岔好不好你吃苦或怎麼樣你是政務官因為你領納稅的錢你做事你認為很苦你可以自己決定要做不要做你可以自己決定等一下部長我還沒有問問題可不可以 |
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我都沒有問問題一直打岔時間暫停特別跟委員跟部長報告一下我們施政諮詢我們採積問積答的方式進行委員官員共同使用時間特別拜託官員不用搶答委員也適當保留官員回覆的時間我們互相尊重再次呼籲時間進行 |
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所以部長你覺得很苦啊這是你的事你可以選擇要做不要做大家都尊重你你覺得很苦你可以跟院長講你有點苦不想幹了或者是你跟院長講說你很苦但是你為了台灣打拚你願意繼續做大家都尊重你但現在賴總統講的吃苦當吃補他對的是國人講的 |
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你們是大家委託來經營這個國家來執政所以有必要告訴國人說到底台灣人要吃什麼苦讓大家來做一個心理準備我現在問的是這件事情所以請問一下部長你認同賴清德總統講的吃苦當吃補請問一下我們的國人接下來要吃什麼苦可不可以先跟大家講一下 |
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好那報告委員吃苦當作吃補這句話是鼓勵的話那麼我們會吃什麼苦每個人的程度不一樣對不對就像你吃的藥吃苦藥啊有的感覺很苦有的感覺很乾嘛這每一個人的感覺不一樣的東西很難用一個具體的事情去形容 |
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我要跟你報告的是說我們碰到關稅是每一個產業不會一樣但是有碰到這個實際關稅在操作他感覺說我的可能這個訂單減少了那我可能這個客戶都在美國每一個公司情境不會一樣 |
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我們經濟部會根據...謝謝部長,我已經給你很多時間講了你的意思就是說每個人吃的苦不一樣啦有的人會很苦啦,有的人不苦啦那我想問一下,幾件事情我覺得大家都非常關心 |
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因為賴總統有說要用零關稅當作一個基礎去跟美國談判第二個就是要取消一些非關稅的貿易障礙那我特別去看了一下美國他關心什麼非關稅的貿易障礙幾件事情跟院長請教一下第一個米酒在美國的這個報告裡面他提到他認為台灣的料理米酒的 |
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菸酒稅率太低會形成一個不公平的貿易障礙因為它的酒進來比較貴但是我們磕米酒比較低那我們的米酒我不知道院長院長之前也做過民意代表從這很長一段時間你應該記得之前曾經發生過一次米酒之亂嘛是的它的背景是因為在2003年之前我們的米酒不用稅嘛所以很便宜 |
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那可是因為要加入WTO所以被要求稅要很高所以那時候甚至有人囤積一瓶酒還賣到一百八十塊所以整個造成一個米酒的大亂那後來也因為有修法啦把米酒的這個稅制又下修嘛修成每公升大概九塊嘛所以它的價錢又再平穩了 |
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現在大家擔心我們在跟美國談判的時候如果美國按照他的報告認為米酒的稅制太低造成不公平我們的米酒的稅會不會被增加然後會不會造成像之前一樣的米酒的大亂 |
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就是因為有之前的經驗那時候因為是蒸餾酒類它的稅制是比較高那我們認為我們已經經過那一次的調整之後米酒它變成料理米酒它裡面有加添的鹽的成分在 |
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它已經不是拿來直接飲用的而是我們在料理使用的希望這一點就當作是我們自己的消費市場生活習慣我們用這個立場來跟交涉的國家來做合理的一些談話對 所以不會美國講要降多少就降多少我們還是會堅持我們米酒的保護是這個意思嗎 |
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我們的料理米酒現在這個狀況從以前發展到現在這個狀況我們希望維持所以料理米酒的稅制我們不會退就對了不會因為美國認為它是非關稅貿易障礙我們就退這院長講的因為米酒很重要台灣一年大概喝兩千萬米酒那個不是拿來喝啦那個是等於是民生必需品啦是煮菜用的所以希望米酒這一塊可以堅守住然後再來 |
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基因改造食品因為美國也認為台灣要求基因改造食品跟非基因改造食品的原料比如說玉米大豆是使用不同的關稅編號那因為是不同的關稅編號當然就會造成不同的管制假設美國認為說基因改造跟非基因改造的原料或食品應該都一視同仁該怎麼樣怎麼樣譬如說也不能夠限制誰可以吃不可以吃校園也應該要開放那我們政府的態度是什麼 |
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剛剛跟委員報告料理米酒是因為雙方在多年前我現在問那個基因食品我說我知道料理米酒因為雙方多年前有過這樣的交涉我們有這樣的立場清楚那至於其他的都還沒經過談判容許我們在談判的當中由我們談判代表照我們自己的國民健康消費習慣引用國際的標準跟科學根據大家來做合理的討論 |
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我覺得以前民進黨都很堅持說基改食品不能進入校園不能說你們在野的時候講一套執政又講一套如果你們認為這個基改食品有疑慮的話當然也要站在國人的健康把關去做談判 |
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然後再來一個他們認為另外一個貿易障礙就是農藥最大殘留限量的管制他們認為我們對於農藥的殘留限量管制非常複雜那想請教一下如果美國認為說應該要讓這個農藥最大限流的管制鬆一點然後甚至這個標準放寬一點我們現在政府的態度是什麼一樣這個也是我們談判的內容我們在這裡只能說還是剛剛幾個標準 |
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國民的健康消費的習慣再配合國際的標準以及科學的根據我們只能用這樣來衡量都是談判的內容再來下一個美國認為我們標示台灣豬這件事情也是一個貿易障礙 |
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因為為什麼會標示台灣產地就是那時候因為政府要開放萊克多巴胺來豬嘛還有放寬萊牛嘛所以大家就想說在鼓勵大家吃台灣豬所以有那個台灣豬的標章當時農業部也有推這個標章這個是志願式的 |
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這個是自願式的自願式但有鼓勵嘛那現在美國如果認為說貼這個東西有貿易障礙的話那政府態度是什麼一樣是不是剛剛回答一樣嘛就會本著本著我們的這個消費習慣食品安全然後來談判授權給那個談判代表來談嘛所以不會有答案沒關係我只是提醒啦幾件事情是國人關心的 |
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比如說來豬的問題、來牛的問題、農藥的問題、基改食品的問題這個都是大家關心的所以在談的時候還是要重視我們食安安全再來 部長有提到這個是我們自己的業者自己用自願的方式來標示的對 但是被他認為說是貿易障礙嘛那難不成到時候農業部要宣導說叫大家不要貼嗎 |
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沒有 有些在談判的過程中有很多可能是誤解的或是不是了解的像包括剛才講的農藥的MIL的訂定的話那第一步就是會跟美國去說明我們訂這個東西的一個方法來做相關的一個溝通好 那再來還有一個被美國可能列為非關稅貿易障礙就是我們貨物稅因為他們非常重視他們車進來之後價格多少 |
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那這個價格除了關稅之外還有一個貨物稅因為台灣貨物稅很高啦美國車在美國當地賣可能沒有那個貨物稅這麼高嘛那在台灣忽然就加了25%到30%的稅上去 |
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那我不知道說其實貨物稅的檢討很多人都提出來過啦因為貨物稅是一個比較老的稅最早推出來的時候那時候是把它當作奢侈性貨品科稅最早的時候認為說你就少買點東西啦那現在當然政府有用其他的目的來賦予貨物稅另外的目標啦可是其實我覺得政府也可以利用這個機會思考一下貨物稅有課的必要嗎 |
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我們現在國人買個汽車也要被課貨物稅25%到30%買一個機車被課貨物稅買個飲料也要課貨物稅中華民國萬萬稅那以之前財政部不願意改現在美國要我把這個視為非關稅貿易障礙我覺得財政部是不是可以藉這個機會改革一下嘛 |
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改革一下 你把那個貨物稅降低啊降低 然後讓大家不要買個飲料都要課稅 就像娛樂稅一樣現在政府都鼓勵大家去看電影鼓勵大家去看藝文活動結果我們去看電影 去看藝文活動要被課稅 要繳稅給政府你還花錢 文化部還編錢叫大家去從事藝文活動鼓勵你 給你文化幣然後一方面你去從事呢再給你課稅 從娛樂稅拿回來 |
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這個稅已經自相矛盾了那貨物稅一樣我們現在工商社會啊鼓勵消費嘛沒有 你買東西不好意思你要買是不是請你給錢你買車25%到30%這個是國內也有課喔國外國內都有課喔所以 |
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我不知道財政部願不願意 院長 我覺得趁這個機會稅制改革一下把貨物稅的問題也通盤檢討一下 可以嗎貨物稅的檢討是很多年在檢討 因為它歷史上因素我覺得它也不是針對奢侈性的那現在說它貨物稅是要大家承擔道路使用 降低什麼污染 |
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交通工具這麼普通使用你已經有課那牌照稅啊都應該重新考量你有課別的稅了啊我們太舊換新也有貨物稅的補助是不是在這樣的計算方式你沒有貨物稅的話大家搞不好更想要太舊換新啊因為汽車變便宜了啊歷史上的課稅的理由依據越來越值得被檢討而且我們也有太舊換新甚至包括家電我們可以用這個方式來考量請財政部用這樣的機會去考量院長 |
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其實你把貨物稅減免,東西變便宜,大家搞不好更刺激消費啦所以不要用刺激消費來講最後一分鐘請教一下大家最近很關心的共諜的問題因為最新的那個吳釗燮的助理共諜他知道很多我們國安會的機密行程然後曾經也在外交部長旁邊做事,其實這個是非常嚴重的問題 |
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那結果我們的政府被發現對於這個人的終成考核八年沒有做過一次啊所以政府會讓大家覺得說你們一方面好像很都老是質疑別人是共諜可是在政府裡面的共諜你沒有那麼在乎啊八年才做一次終成考核我想請教一下按照規定像這一種這麼重要職務的人應該多久做一次終成考核 |
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我們會依照現在的規定如果規定不足我們加以馬上啟動我現在就問你嘛現在規定是多久要做一次中程考核出國前要做一次回國也要做然後如果沒有出入境的話多久要做一次如果出國一定要事先有報備的動作回來之後也要有詳細的報告 |
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這個是我們現在如果沒有這個規定一定要加嚴如果有這個規定沒有做到我們檢討之後要強力的實施院長我的問題是說你多久做應該按照規定多久要做一次中程考核尤其是像這種國安會秘書長的秘書外交部長秘書多久要做一次你再回答我多我認為啦隨著沒有沒有按照現在規定多久要隨著職務等級的不同我們要做不同的設計那多久嘛像他多久要做一次你覺得才合理像他多久做一次你覺得才合理 |
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我覺得他應該很嚴謹的要做多久一次 這問題能回答嗎就多久 因為他八年都沒做過我覺得不合理嘛 你覺得他多久一次就回答這就好我現在在檢討 如果說院長的散作問題散成這樣能夠年年讓我們知道他所用的人數好 謝謝 |