| IVOD_ID |
160162 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160162 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-15T10:47:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-15T11:18:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:31:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ff8fb8a229f5b3ff9985b3670cf9e9ca07f87cc90aeb78e39b53bf68f23d1bafee4908f1f42fde8f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:47:28 - 11:18:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議（事由：一、覆議案之處理事項（4月11日上午）。二、行政院院長提出針對美國關稅政策因應作為專案報告並備質詢（4月11日下午）。三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢（4月15日）。四、4月11日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好 院長謝謝麻煩請卓榮泰院長麻煩請卓院長備詢好 卓院長等待總質詢又多了兩個多禮拜不過今天我們能夠順利的來針對這個會期的總質詢我們就就事論事並且好好的來討論現在台灣面臨到的狀況上個禮拜五 |
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您的這個針對美國關稅政策因應報告作為我們也在台下有全程的聆聽您的一個講法但是我想有一些立場以及我們對外一致的政策方向還是要先跟院長來就教首先在你的報告裡面一開始有提到這是你報告上面的文字喔 |
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就說是川普政府他們要追求跟其他國家之間的公平互惠貿易關係他也講到驅使其他國家在貿易之中採取更公平的做法保護美國的經濟利益促進本土的產業復甦那麼說如果說在川普政府他一味的認為是說他要追求所謂更公平的做法那難道現在的做法不公平嗎 |
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我想美國政府會認為 過多的貿易赤字對他來講是國家財政的子彈那我們怎麼認為美國政府有美國政府的講法川普有川普的講法但我們怎麼認為這個是上個禮拜我在您報告裡面我聆聽了20分鐘我沒有聽到的我們的做法我們怎麼認為川普說現在世界各國跟美國貿易是不公平的來 下一張 |
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這段應該是在描述美國的政府的立場說法所以你的報告把美國的講法寫出來但我要知道是中華民國政府怎麼認為啊裡面有提到我們跟美國任何的談判都是在爭取國家最大的利益也是在維護產業國際但是回歸前提 |
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院長我們共同面臨到是美國總統川普他是一個強人他是一個談判高手大家都知道關稅只是第一步可能之後接下來還有匯率可能接下來還有國債這都是美國政府的問題一個一個想要跟世界各國來解決但現在我們要看到的是中華民國政府我們怎麼認為美國政府講的事情是對或錯 |
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當川普講是說這是不公平的貿易行為的時候我們認為這是不公平的嗎我想我不宜去公開批評哪一個政府的對錯我只說我們跟美國之間沒有公開批評啊我說我不宜啦我說我們跟美國之間或我跟我們跟世界各國之間所以過去我們跟美國政府所做真的有不公平嗎 |
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我們希望追求的雙方互利而且貿易不要失衡的狀況底下但是我方有我方的利益點對方有對方的考量比方說我們在高科技這個產品上面如果給我們更多的優惠的情況底下 |
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會有利於我們整個產業的結構跟產業的升級跟發展這個是我方的利益我們跟美國順差是事實是不否認但是我們的順差建立在是因為不公平所以才造成順差嗎這個順差建立在我們在川普總統第一任的時候有大量的台商回來台灣是嘛所以這不是不公平嘛也建立在整個AI的發展起來是嘛這是我們台灣人企業的高科技的強盛嘛所以這不是不公平嘛 |
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那為什麼連一句我們對美國講川普總統講說這是不公平他一竿子打翻一傳台灣外公一句話叫打外逃啦他先打外逃說不公平然後再來請各位談判小組來談判如果我們順著他話講的話那我們不就是掉入他談判高手的陷阱嗎 |
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我一定放心我們當然不會掉入一個你認為的陷阱或是我們沒有考慮到的問題我們不會掉入到那個問題裡面院長我先請教所以之前美國總統川普也講說台灣偷走半導體產業他要把它給拿回來這句話你認同嗎台灣的半導體領先產業在國內保持所以台灣有偷嗎 |
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我們一定在國內保持繼續最領先的這個地位所以台灣沒有偷嘛對全世界來講台灣沒有偷沒有偷我們跟世界充分的合作我們在製造上面的這個發展是大家所肯定的但研發過程或許要互相的學習院長這就本席先提出來在您上禮拜五的報告裡面 |
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沒有看到我們針對川普總統一開始所講所謂的不公平所謂的偷半導體偷晶片等相關做出很強硬具體而且捍衛我國主張立場的說法 |
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再來對不起也許我有一些看到我們有很多的敘述但是我認為我們的重點在於解決的方法院長我也想要知道解決方法所以現在賴清德總統也說了我們已經有第一階段的談判嘛是不是好不就細節因為我知道這個談判會一而再再而三但是我們預期會有幾階段談判 |
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預期會有幾階段這無法預期我們只知道說我們現在4月11日要開始的視訊會議我們的視訊會議如果牽扯到機密你不用回答我們視訊會議現在官員成績到多少官員成績因為我知道說我們的談判小組現在是由副院長來做領導嘛副院長依法過去到現在立院是沒有邀請他上備巡台 |
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那所以我想邀請可能沒有辦法跟委員報告從台美經貿請教第一次的視訊會議副院長有主持嗎台美經貿專案小組都是副院長在主持那對外談判對外談判的總負責人就是我們的政委談判代表楊振尼政委這是我們一直對外的這個分工王政委所以當天第一次的這個談判視訊談判王政委主持 |
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但是我們基於雙方的默契我想美方也沒有說他們的談判代表是誰我們也沒有在打破這個默契這是一個團隊好 本席想要了解的是因為現在看得出來是川普總統在主導一切的政策 |
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那我們來看一下最近亞洲日本跟我們很直接嘛日本即將在18號正式要有談判那過去我們也看到新聞是日本首相跟川普總統直接面對面的談判這可能就直指核心啦我們打蛇打青春 情蛇牽行王啊那談判過程一定是這樣子那我們現在還沒有辦法了解說我們的成績到多少但是我們只有政委是主要的談判負責人 |
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他是一個團隊 我的政委是我們的總談判代表團隊嘛 但是我們最高就是政委嘛 是不是這樣他是我們的總談判代表好 總談判代表就是我們的楊政委 是不是但日本現在看起來是他們的首相而且日本的首相在對他們的國會裡面講他講說不會妥協 並且說報復性的關稅選項也沒有被排除當然 他事前先講是說報復性的關稅不符合國家利益但是沒有排除 |
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對比我們現在我們自己一直在強調說我們到底籌碼還有多少那我想請教一下院長我們到目前為止我們現在盤點我們手中的籌碼我們的談判進行的成果你覺得會是比日本好還是比日本差如果當年我們不是被排除或是主動退出聯合國我也會努力現在打電話給川普總統院長 |
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我們現在在講2025年的關稅你跟我講是1976年1974年的事情石破首相跟川普總統直接對談可不可以面對問題解決問題我們來focus在現在的問題我從開始到現在我一直強調的是說我們怎麼樣能夠增加我們的談判籌碼我們來努力 |
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我現在在講的是日本首相他有提到他也跟國內講了他講說報復性的關稅沒有排除但不會是他的優先選項對比我們中華民國一開始就講說不會採取報復性的關稅那是不是我們就少了一個可以談判的工具跟籌碼沒有 但我們還是進到第一輪最優先的談判的地位去啦院長 |
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本席就事論性和理性的跟您討論現在看到川普總統有講說甚至有可能有些國家可以有10%豁免的關稅我們有沒有機會爭取到當然這個都是從談判的立即點開始談起的 |
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總統說我們從零關稅談起就是一個態度我們不會採取報復這也是一個態度如果不是這樣子的話我們有可能現在就排在後面也許我們排在145去了但是我們沒有我們就站在最優先的地位只要我們備足了我們自己的方案我們的談判代表團 |
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跟談判的時間準備出來我們就可以談判了一直講說台美關係最好一直講說台美的夥伴關係最佳結果居然講是說原來我們可以進入到第一階段談判是因為我們先接受零關稅談起 |
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我們沒有這樣講 你剛剛講的意思就這樣你講說如果說沒有的話我們沒有宣布說零關稅的話我們就是145名以後嘛所以到底哪一句話是真的我想這是要讓國人知道因為兩千三百五十萬人共同面對共同承擔你說我們要面對事實嘛 總統講出來的話從零關稅談起 我們現在採取報復所以我們事實就是站在最優先的地位說實在話 我們再來討論一下 |
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我們的籌碼還有哪一些半導體是我們很重要的籌碼嗎我認為我們籌碼第一個是我們有高科技的國家力量是沒有錯第二個我們應該有的籌碼是國內團結當然所以我到現在為止跟您都講的是我們對外一致中華民國對國內我跟你政黨立場不同但是對國外我們一致對外就是以中華民國為台灣兩千三百五十萬人的利益為優先這一點請您記得來請看一下 |
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揮打昨天有宣布說他要斥資攜手台積電攜手鴻海攜手偉創宣布五千億四年的美國投資想請教台積電 鴻海 偉創這一些他是多增加五千億還是說是之前跟台積電一樣就是宣布他在美國投資一千億美元有沒有掌握這個因為昨天晚上 |
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NVIDIA這樣的宣布嘛那國內的廠商要到國外去做任何的投資都要經過投審會投審機制 沒錯所以也還沒有經過投審會當然 昨天晚上到現在是沒有經過投審會那輝達已經先宣布了五千億台積電 偉創 鴻海至少輝達裡面就已經講到這三家大型企業也是我們國內非常重要的企業 |
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那我們現在也過了 您剛講了從昨天晚上到現在也過了至少12個小時有沒有去了解掌握詢問到底是多增加投資還是跟之前台積電所宣布的1000億或是美國總統川普把他宣布的2000億是重疊的民間企業要對國外去投資是他來申請不是我們去問他他們是一般的民間企業嗎 |
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理論上他程序是要如此啊我們的籌碼是我們的籌碼是我們的高科技這是您剛開公民營的第一個籌碼結果我們現在籌碼被回答先喊了 |
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如果說是我們談判的過程裡面我們講說我們的台積電、鴻海跟偉創可以去投資會不會更有談判的空間?你也應該知道啊世界各國跟這一次美國關稅在計算的過程當中過去什麼樣的合作都不影響它那個公司的計算那我們過去最怕什麼?過去最怕說台積電去美投資一千億會連動所謂的鴻溪效應 |
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就是把上中下游廠商一起帶過去這有它產業的需求跟考量是 所以現在是不是已經看到這樣的一個起步了如果說輝達去 鴻海去 台積電去 偉創去那您一直跟我講說昨天晚上的事情但是從昨天晚上到現在已經12個小時了你難道沒有認為是說應該要了解一下請經濟部 請我們相關的部會去了解一下我知道你的心急啦是 當然急啊 |
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不實際 昨天的晚上是我們的晚上我們現在白天是對方的晚上院長 |
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我們不要做這種細節我們鴻海台積電偽創在國內沒有研發中心沒有營運總部嗎對 但是在美國的宣布他們必須用程序來跟政府做說明但你不能要求12個小時以內我沒有不合理的要求是因為這是國人大家共同所關心的事情因為我們現在面臨到的是整個世界的挑戰跟變化院長我希望但是我們要穩住我希望 |
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本席所提出來的疑問都可以獲得您的解答每個人本席站在這邊代表的是人民 |
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本席站在這邊為人民發聲本席站在這邊是希望人民的聲音能夠被行政部門聽到並且獲得解答院長所以今天早上經濟部部長有受訪的時候講到是說假扣動假報吃苦當吃補台灣人不都是這樣嗎您覺得這算不算失言還是預告我們的苦日子要來了 |
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沒有我覺得這個是當我們面對一個挑戰的時候你如果是有健康的態度面對它而不是懷憂喪志而必須絕對沒有懷憂喪志但我們要超前部署我們要正向 積極 陽光 專業這才是重點啊像4月3號以前我們就把所有關稅可能的推估算出來這就是超前部署 |
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但是一出來之後我們不會馬上第一時間就有看你的報告但現在很遺憾的是當本席從質詢到現在15分鐘我都還沒有獲得你正式正面的一個回答再來 我想請教 院長 |
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現在有委員不管藍營立委綠營立委甚至有產業界也都有建議我們現在談判小組當然政委他可能有他的專業但是以國際形勢瞬息萬變來講以及我們真的希望是能夠直指核心跟川普總統來去做一個溝通跟談判有人建議是說是不是能夠敦請我們前總統蔡英文女士來擔任我們的談判小組召集人 |
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您的聲音我們都聽見了各方的聲音我們都聽見了但是基於現在您覺得合不合適我們跟美國的這種關係第一 蔡英文總統 陳總統她的英文非常流利絕對沒有問題第二 她應該算是我們中華民國史上元首以前先不講 民選元首直接跟美國總統通過電話的人蔡前總統的語文 她的談判能力她的國際視野以及對國內政務的賢熟度 |
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絕對沒有問題但是現在國家的外交途徑我們要跟國外任何一個國家進行交涉我們都必須就人選互相有默契所以是美國不接受蔡英文前總統我們沒有這樣說那你剛又講說跟國家有默契那我們現在不就是跟美國談判嗎 |
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我們現在已經啟動了談判了是那我們現在在講是說如果說有更有代表性甚至更能夠直接溝通會不會更能夠對於我們中華民國為我們台灣取得一個優秀的位置那現在是卓院長不願意去去拜託蔡英文前總統還是賴總統不願意拜託蔡英文前總統我想蔡英文前總統會非常了解今天委員對他的肯定 |
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你非常肯定蔡前總統 全國人民都知道了 謝謝你沒有問題 我說實在話 面對問題我們解決問題我確實 蔡英文前總統她的英文能力我剛講了 以及她跟川普總統通過電話這如果能夠為我們中華民國爭取到更有利的位置 何樂而不為 |
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當然啊這就是我們現在要凝聚以及我們要展現的籌碼但我覺得很遺憾的是很多東西是我們有籌碼可是我們民進黨政府好像不願意用來籌碼不是擺在桌上賭徒才會把籌碼擺在桌上我們不是賭徒我們不是在做一場世界性的大賭博 |
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我們在做世界性的大補賭我們不是賭徒才會把籌碼擺在桌上我實在沒有辦法聽得懂你的這樣的一個講法因為被本席來講這絕對不是一場賭博被本席來講台灣的產業發展我們的中小企業我們的農業我們的相關產業絕對不是賭博 |
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如果你以賭博的心態來看待的話我覺得非常的遺憾而且我覺得會非常的危險我們的籌碼是放在我們應該放的地方不是擺在這裡討論的我再請教880億現在有講是說要延後一個禮拜提出來那我們也看到之前其實特別預算編列有 |
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那時候是超徵稅收所以說我們有編列了一個特別預算條例那時候還是用易後強化經濟跟社會韌性以及全民共享經濟成果特別條例這時候你應該了解嘛到最後是3800億的一個規模分三個部分有普發現金有補助台電以及有所謂的這個易後的重建跟補貼等等那我們現在請教一下我們現在要提出來的這880億 |
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的特別預算預計也是採取用特別條例的方式對吧必須要有特別條例是那什麼時候會提出來呢什麼時候會提出來 |
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我們一開始提出了880億的支持方案結果有人說我們大傻逼有人說2000億我們又跟產業界進行了各種不同的方式的溝通產業界又給了我們一些意見所以我們重新再整合這樣的一個基礎跟規模把產業界的意見加進來我們現在努力在下個禮拜盡快能夠通過一個特別條例出行政院 |
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下個禮拜會通過特別條例那規模會是比除了880億以外還會不會增加其他的部分其他的 |
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盤點這幾天跟產業界的這個座談所以預計會有多大的規模目前我還沒有辦法說一個我們就是以八百八十億當作基礎當作這個架構我再看一下上次的一個特別條例到最後裡面是有包含這也是行政院之後提出來的有包含補發現金六千塊所以有一千一百多億有包含補貼是一千三百七十億以及補助台電一千億 |
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所以我們在這次的這個特別條例裡面會有其他的方向嗎?有符合現在這個趨勢所需要的我們會考量產業界的需求跟國人的需求所以本期可以就院長剛剛講這一段話來推估有可能推出的特別條例的原額額度比880億還要高 |
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目前有這個可能但是還沒有做任何的定案好那再來喔15個縣市長上個禮拜也開了一次會並且有四大建言我看到院長接受這個媒體詢問的時候講了一句話說對的事情大家一起談我其實是認同的還有一句話沒有講這不對的事情 |
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不要拿來談不對的事情不要拿來談那對的事情什麼是對的事情什麼是不對的事情也不是您認定也不是大家認定而是我們一起共同集思廣益想方法我想院長不應該那麼的一個威權的態度認為是說在野或者是縣市長所提出來的對與不對我想我們不要用這樣子一個判斷我們跟產業座談也是要得到更多這樣的意見所以15位縣市長代表性算足了吧 |
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地方父母官2022年的民意選出來並且他們第一線的去溝通了解產業的需求即便15個縣市長跟院長可能是不同黨派但畢竟他也服務超過三分之二台灣的人口數那15個縣市長所提出來的這個意見我覺得院長真的應該要好好的來談一談我們都從不了解他們提出的意見你說你不了解 |
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我們都充分了解那其中有提到既然要談裡面包括說普發現金的建議包括說召開國事會議您認為呢我記得他提了七項還幾項意見吧四大項其中有一項就是說國事因為你認為是說對的事情大家一起談嘛那我剛剛聽你的這個詢答裡面也不認為是說所有提出來這四大項 |
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都不能談嘛那既然要談大家應該要坐下來談啊那國事會議現在建議召開國事會議趕快縣市長不只藍營縣市長綠營縣市長都一起來談我剛剛說說是盧市長中部八個縣市提出的七項建議侯市長新北市他也提出了四項建議那張善政市長桃園他也提出好像有四項建議然後上禮拜四十五個縣市長也提出了建議一二十項的建議我們都把它充分了解放在一起 |
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要不要談?談哪一件?對的事情大家一起談啊這是你講的啊我們會找當中對的事情好好的來談所以現在的講師說要召開國事會議您的態度是什麼?國事會議應該不是我一個人決定開不開的問題這一定要社會的共識國事會議是要總統啦但重點在於說您要不要建議總統是不是應該大家來溝通 |
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我們已經過去到現在已經討論有很多重大方向跟決策我也肯定你的講法啊對的事情大家一起談但重點是現在談要不要有一個方向要不要一個會議要不要一個做法您可以在討論相關事件的時候也找在野黨來溝通三黨團也都到行政院溝通嘛 |
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1408.706 |
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1435.231 |
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那現在15個縣市長站出來我們是不是應該也要有正向回應15個縣市長的訴求我們都相信總統也看到了這個剛剛您說的這幾項的建議那至於該怎麼做我們現在這個禮拜你也看到最重要的是準備跟美方談判的所有的過程這個不是國事會議可以取代的所以我們先把眼前該做的事情把它做好院長 |
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1451.568 |
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國政多如牛毛但絕對沒有哪一個優先哪一個順序你剛剛就有講到你的特別條例下個禮拜要提出來 |
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1480.148 |
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那是不是就已經在一起來進行美國的談判很重要我們國內的特別條例很重要相關的治安相關的國內的發展也很重要所以這是每一個委員站在這邊因應不同面向因為每一個委員有每一個選區不同的想法不同的考量都要提供給您而不是一竿子的否定院長我想請教到目前在一個月左右 |
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1481.092 |
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1508.34 |
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就是520也就是內閣團隊上任一週年到目前為止你有沒有看到今天最新的民調不管是賴總統或是您自己我們來看一下幾張支持度上任以來最低次低啦上任以來次低但是看起來它也接近了這個交叉點 |
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1510.063 |
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1522.531 |
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那520即將到來你認為隔園也好或是我們整個團隊有沒有需要調整的必要隔園在將近11個月的過程裡面都非常的認真但面對所有的問題我當然 |
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會不會調整我們不會沒有可能把所有的事情做得圓滿當然當中有值得檢討的地方值得檢討的地方那會不會調整因為一年時間到了國人會期待看到我們的週年成績單我不知道說在520的時候你可以拿出什麼樣週年成績單來說服國人讓國人的滿意度提升但另外一個部分是我們的內閣團隊有沒有調整的計畫方向 |
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1549.775 |
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1564.156 |
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委員你應該知道你在這樣問不會得到我的答案我要說會對閣員我如果說會 是不是會打擊閣員的實際院長我必須很鄭重的要求你我鄭重的敬告 |
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1565.217 |
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1589.465 |
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本席站在這邊問的都是人民所關心的議題如果說你用那麼輕描的態度說這樣問不會有答案那這樣子是質詢嗎這樣是質詢的精神嗎我沒有講特定人我沒有指名道姓誰我現在只是問你說有沒有調整的方向連這樣子你都這樣子都可以傲慢的不回答我剛剛跟你說了大家都很努力但是不是每件事情都做得很好我們必須檢討來 |
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1591.26 |
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1620.465 |
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那人事的部分有一個東西你總是可以回答了NCC的委員什麼時候要提出來這個我自己要檢討我盡快把它提出來確實喔來 院長去年11月28的時候我們行政院就講了卓龍泰緊鑼密鼓的爭取中到現在四個半月過去了名單沒有出來我們嘗試很多但是遇到很多的困難說真的為什麼 |
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1623.819 |
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1638.941 |
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徵詢是大家不願意還是你徵詢的人還是不夠專業怕名單提出來之後被大家覺得說否定我們徵詢的對象一定是符合一定的專業程度好 那你有跟誰討論我想在場有NCC代理主委啊 |
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1655.169 |
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來有跟代理主委溝通嗎說我現在名單還沒有完成那NCC的業務會不會停擺有沒有關心過我一直要把這個人事給他補上來但是很多談的他當然有基本的專業的程度但是 |
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所以我們中華民國兩千三百五十萬人沒有符合院長標準要求的四位人選為什麼四個半月提不出來來我們看一下因為代理主委說我不清楚啊行政院沒有找他討論啊 |
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1699.351 |
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所以院長你自己也不找現在代理主委討論然後就讓NCC的委員名單一直提不出來你如果說沒有提出來立法院連審都沒有辦法審你了解吧我了解好再來因為人數不足所以現在空轉37家頻道面臨了換照問題怎麼辦誰要負起責任我還在努力盡快把它找一個人什麼時候可以提出來 |
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1715.436 |
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醜媳婦總要見公婆那本席期待的其實你謹慎是好事啊如果說你三個月的時間謹慎提出專業合乎大眾需求標準的名單我想立法院沒有否決的理由 |
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但最怕的就是你提出來的名單是不夠專業或是讓大家覺得就像過去一樣是因人設事 因黨設事那當然我們就有審查的空間可是我們現在要講的是四個半月過去了那請教院長 現在總質詢什麼時候可以提出來非常抱歉 我們找的人一定符合相當的專業水準 |
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所以要繼續空轉他未來的工作他相當有過濾那會讓NCC繼續空轉嗎沒有我們盡量努力那盡量努力什麼時候提出來如果我可以說個時間我希望這個月份我能夠提出來名單這個月這個月所以只剩兩個禮拜會不會跳票不會吧院長你在總質詢的承諾不要跳票兩個月四月底以前我們看到您提出來的名單可以嗎其實我已經在準備差不多好了但是這個最後差一點點的功夫 |
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最後 院長我們還是看一下現在最近的共諜案共諜案的部分 我想 |
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中華民國是我的國家台灣是我的家園任何人想要消滅中華民國我都反對共產黨要消滅中華民國我反共台獨想要消滅中華民國我反台獨因為這就是我們的國家我們大家一起安身立命但現在我們看到民進黨政府從總統府從黨部從外交部都有共諜的發聲 |
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這樣的狀況很多人在講啊是不是還有更大咖我們現在有沒有針對這部分因為我覺得這非常的重要國安議題但是也是我們現在各部會大家共同要面對的有沒有專案小組或說來了解現在到底還有多少有可能潛在的共諜就因為我們之前已經發現了這樣的威脅所以總統才在第二次國安會議當中會不會還有更大咖 |
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1854.159 |
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好 謝謝洪孟凱委員 謝謝主委長備詢接下來我們請登記第50號 |