| IVOD_ID |
16013 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16013 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2024061132 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-13T09:59:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-13T11:14:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:14:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-06-13T10:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院朝野黨團協商（事由：一、國民黨黨團擬具「證券交易法第十四條條文修正草案」案二、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「證券交易法第十四條條文修正草案」案） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:59:59 - 11:14:00 |
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二、台灣民眾黨團擬具:「證券交易法第十四條條文修正草案．一、國民黨黨團擬具:「證券交易法第十四條條文修正草案．一、國民黨黨團擬具:「證券交易法第十四條條文修正草案．一、國民黨黨團擬具:「證券交易法第十四條條文修正草案．一、國民黨黨團擬具:「 |
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法定人數不足 |
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大家都滿了 |
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我們開始來進行立法院的朝野黨團協商的程序今天這個主題就是大家常常在過去財委會我們在會中大家談到的 |
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員工加薪的問題大家多位委員也對所有的壽星階級上市上櫃公司的員工對他們薪資的問題很關心希望可以推動一個方向包括一些薪資要對外揭露的問題也講了幾年不過 |
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金管會這邊有做出了一些規定、規範所以最近這幾年也都有呈現一些陸陸續續的報告出來我們介紹了今天與會的協商包括 |
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我們民眾黨張委員張祺凱以及我們代表民進黨李昆城李委員那我也來介紹與會今天參與協商的幾位首先介紹金管會主委彭金榮彭主委以及法律事務處處長徐翠文政協局局長張振山 |
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因為這最直接相關的就是台灣證券交易所以及OTC台灣證交所的林修民 林董 市長簡立忠 簡總經理OTC的陳永誠 董事長李愛玲 李總經理這個都是經驗都非常豐富的財政部副退署的宋秀琳 宋署長 |
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勞動部勞動條件及就業平等事專門委員李怡萱法部法制司副司長謝志明 |
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事實上我是提了兩個法那之前一個就是中小企業發展條例這兩個法叫做加薪二法 |
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市長應該不是只有台灣民眾黨這段關係我相信其他黨派包括民進黨跟國民黨那事實上這也是政府很重要的績效我之前是跟經濟部王美花王部長先討論了中小企業發展條例那他認為說這個事實上是應該幫勞工要加薪所以大家看到行政院後來就提了一個版本 |
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就經濟部提給行政院,行政院有提這個修正版那這個版在經濟委員會現在已經討論差不多了他朝野協商完以後最近就會進到院會了所以同樣加薪惡法上那個中小企業發展條例幫一般的員工加薪可以抵稅這個事情這個案子是最近就會過了 |
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現在我們在討論的是第二個案子我很期待今天這個第二個案子能夠像當初我跟王美花王部長在討論的時候大家想一下來不來得及提對案我不曉得可是我很期待就是說大家那個精神應該是一樣我剛剛一開頭就講了這個不是針對哪一個政黨 |
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我是覺得這個事情我們好好來做是針對包括執政黨應該是有業績的包括大家人在公門好修行現在確實那個很多那個基本的那個基層的員工啊確實那個薪資落差是太大了那上市商會公司確實太我們也沒有說他沒賺錢要幫大家加薪欸我們說前提第一個是他要賺到錢喔賺到錢他賺到錢本來 |
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本來就應該把一部分的這個比例拿出來給員工嘛我現在這是合情合理啦而且特別是針對現在的這種貧富差距越來越大然後那個落差那個薪資的落差越來越大我是期待大家用人在公民好修行的心情來看這件事情好不好那比例我先可以討論啦就是說到底是多少比例執政黨可能或者說政府裡面啊他應該會比較精算 |
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因為我看好像已經有人提到什麼要提百分之十、二十那在比例上面我沒有堅持可是我很期待就是說大家是用比較正面去看待這個事情好不好好 謝謝張祺凱代表台灣民眾黨立法院黨團那因為國民黨我現在是國民黨黨團這裡 |
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那我們對於證券交易法第十四條的修正條文那基本上我們是支持的因為是M型社會現在物價飆漲很多的基層的員工事實上公司賺了很多錢卻沒有利益分享沒有照顧員工所以 |
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提變昨天有這個發布說實質薪資有慢慢地趕上去但事實上現在很痛苦雞腿便當一個可能要一百五、一百六以前八十塊那九十塊 |
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就是物價漲了快80% 90% 薪資最近有調一些 有人說3% 5% 趕不上那個變化那我們看到今年度所有上市商櫃的營收 這個數字很亮麗 都屢創新高股市也超過兩萬點 兩萬點應該也站穩了 |
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可是基層的壽星階級還是苦哈哈沒有感受到經濟成長的分享的喜悅所以國民黨黨團當然也是理論上還精神上、實質上都是支持這樣的一個方向 |
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最後是李委員要先講還是主管機關先講李昆城、李委員謝謝各位也謝謝所有與會的官員其實這個是近復惡毒 |
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這個其實也是可以在委員會好好的討論啦齊凱秀你剛剛講那個我們也是在委員會好好的討論啦所以我認為說像這個比較重要的法案其實應該是要委員會好好的討論才對啦你說淨富二讀就剩下三個人這樣說而已 |
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在討論上面我認為應該要更充分更充足讓更多的委員的意見能夠加入我覺得這樣是會比較好更何況說國民黨跟民眾黨的委員都有提案我是認為說第一個 |
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進覆二讀 我認為在程序上是比較不適妥第二個就是說這個因為它按照兩黨的提案裡面都是有提撥一定的比例我們是認為說這個其實它都是上市規公司上市規公司其實你是要對所有的股東所交代 |
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那你如果說要提撥一定的比例的話那這其實你要讓股東知道說這個這為什麼要提撥一定的比例來做這個加薪那所以按照這一個納稅者權利保護法的規定那其實這個你第一個你必須要提出一個實施的年限然後達成這一個合理政策的目的為限就是你大概要讓人家知道說讓你的股東知道說 |
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為什麼要提出這個租稅的優惠而且這個租稅優惠因為它涉及到很多人的權利所以應該要提出應該要舉行公聽會然後要提出你這個稅市的支出的評估這是第二個第三個就是說如果按照這個納稅者權利保護法的第六條這還要實施還要明定實施的年限那其實在這邊其實也看不到所以我是認為說因為 |
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這個已經到了這個近乎二讀的這個現在由朝野這邊來做協商那我是希望說如果可以的話其實應該還是讓委員會來做討論最好啦那如果不行的話那就只能交付這個朝野協商再來做討論這樣子這樣其實其實委員會討論真的會比較充分一點點啦我的看法是這樣子 |
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好 謝謝李委員那現在是不是請主管機關我們先請金管會然後接下來財政部看看有沒有意見那如果說沒有意見的話我們就精神上大家都是支持啦那就是討論的過程看怎麼樣比較 |
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確實一點請主委我先簡單說明一下這個法案其實在上一個會期也討論過當然很多不同的政黨有不同的看法所以現在還要再討論也是OK啦但是說剛才有特別提到應該到委員會大家充分再次溝通一下 |
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那目前所提出來這個方案我們看到就是說你員工要加薪那加薪這個定義其實是很模糊的因為薪水有經常性支出就是說你的薪水每個月配給多少那如果年終我給你年終獎金那用加薪這個字是很模糊的不知道在講哪一塊 |
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二、台灣民眾黨團擬具 |
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法定人數不足 |
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好 謝謝張局長不過因為是上一屆啦因為現在是新的一屆啦那以前的確有討論過那大家對這個問題也都很關切不過經過立法院多次的討論好像這個台灣證券交易所跟OTC這邊也有推動不少啦好像有一些比較具體的成果是不是也可以請兩邊是不是可以有代表陳董你要不要講一下 |
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就是OTC大概八百間上柜公司他們加薪的情況 |
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委員 那我就代表來做一下台灣證券交易所 檢總是 那我想那個在員工薪資的這一個部分我們交易所一直都配合來想辦法來提升我們員工的這一個薪資所以之前在資訊揭露的部分已經加強很多我們現在大概在 |
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每年的年報還有六月底的這一個公司的申報裡面都會去申報這個員工的薪資然後他各項比如說非經理人的這個員工薪資都會有很多的申報那我們從這幾年的申報看起來 |
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公司賺錢的話大致都會公司薪水的這個比例都有增加那但是在去年去年的稅後其實是上市公司是減了百分之大概二十幾二十五左右那所以我們看了一下平均的員工的薪資呢在去年是有降了大概三個percent |
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公司是稅後降了二十幾個百分比但是員工的部分他有稍微低下來所以還是很保護員工的員工這方面還是有我們這樣看起來的話其實剛剛講了這個議題那個剛剛局長這邊有講其實我們支持說員工這個公司賺錢應該要多分配給員工 |
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那這公司法裡面已經有明訂了那如果說我們以目前實務上看起來確實上市公司的平均值也都是朝這個方向來做那如果說要訂一定的比例去加薪的話要看加在變動薪水還是還是固定薪水因為如果是如果加在變動薪水的話那公司如果不賺錢的時候那一年他他沒有辦法 |
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二、台灣民眾黨團擬具 |
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財政部 宋署長 |
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財政部副稅署這邊來就國民黨團所提的加薪要加成百分之五十從當年所得的總檢出這案子來表示意見那因為我們先首先看一下證券交易法的法律架構其實我們發現主要是要維持整個市場的秩序 |
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所以這整個《證券交易法》在法律架構之下它在健全這個遊戲規則放一個中稅優惠的條文是否妥適可能要像我們要再研究了所以就像剛剛張委員有提到其實我們現在在中小企業發展條例裡面它有一個加薪減稅的優惠目前已經在經濟委員會那邊審查那甚至已經要我記得沒錯的話已經要交送優惠的樣子就是那個程序已經朝野協商那現在 |
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對,好像在吵一下對,就是加成比率的問題現在是加成比率的問題那我們會就這部分再來研議這是第一點就是證交法它整個從法律架構上它主要是要健全股市的交易秩序的話是否適合放一個租稅優惠條文 |
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第二個我們租稅業會就像剛才李委員有特別提到根據納稅者權利保護法的規定跟財政紀律法以及我們財政紀律法還有財政收支劃分法的規定任何的租稅解免法案都必須要有替代的財源第一個我們要先估稅損那第二個我們要有替代的財源 |
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因為這個案子我們大概因為比較急我們大概用上次貴姓財務報表公開的資料來估算的話其實我們有觀察到跟剛才證交所簡總經理所講的同樣的狀況就是說我們如果去看一下近三年就110年到112年度的話公司如果上年度有疑於大概下年度我們有發下薪資費用的金額都有增加 |
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那增加大概佔比大概會當然不懂啦大概10%左右就佔稅後盈餘的10%有的不到10%但有的也會到10%那如果這樣其實你可以發現就是說上市櫃公司他的企業社會責任其實他懂得要把盈餘跟員工分享是不是有必要用租稅優惠來在額外有點像我們講說井上添花啦他本來就會做嘛那還給他減稅然後我們 |
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看了一下我們初估 因為三年多的資料初估它的平均稅水一年是快是一百億這個對我們營所稅來講是有點無法承受啦有點無法承受所以這個是跟委員特別報告請體諒一下因為我們今年整個營所稅結算申報已經結束了嘛其實我們的資繳稅額是衰退的 |
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好 謝謝財政部的宋署長 |
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好現在就是因為中小區的判決條例那邊也在審那是不是各位人那我們就並按這個送去院會再一起我用什麼給對 |
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都是加薪減稅的優惠我們是不是就從中小企業發展條約還是發展中小企業去做的一個租稅優惠他是有從定性上去看是比較適合中小企業使用上市櫃公司當然已經報告就是說其實他主動都有根據他營餘狀況去做一些加薪的這樣的措施是不是我們還要強制他做這種事情 |
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字幕由 Amara.org 社群提供 |
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再來有關加薪的部分就剛才講企業經營有賺有賠這是個公司治理而且我們公司把章程已經明訂就是說已經有這樣的規定了就是說站在我們在這個證券交易法的這個主管機關的角度我們認為說加薪應該不會在這裡來處理啦應該是這樣一個而且我們比較難強制說你賺錢賠 |
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剛剛提到萬一賠錢的時候又一定的比率其實這樣這個部分就有因為這個經營的考量都是公司治理透過股東大會來決議他們的內容我想大概是這樣我們查到好像是沒有用強迫一個比率一定要 |
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我們現在用公司法來解決這個問題他們自願章程你們會定說我們有一定比率要提撥做員工酬勞我想公司裡面都有這樣的共識大家都有只是說要放在哪裡因為證交法確實不是在做這件事情為主它是交易資訊、資訊揭露大概是這樣的一個概念 |
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而且它只規範上市櫃公司而已那全台灣的公司那麼多我們總共也不過是1800多家是上市櫃公司這樣只對上市櫃公司做這樣的規範也不夠全面啦大概是這樣 |
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其實在過去包括董堅的一些薪資的揭露鼓勵他怎麼樣來推動局長你要說明一下嗎我們現行其實對剛剛講證交所有特別提到我們的財報一出來我們就要求公司上市櫃公司你要揭露尤其像剛剛講有沒有加薪等等那是資訊接受有點像社會責任你對外你要編社會責任報告書嘛那你自己在那邊去詮釋那不是在證交法說你提撥多少比例 |
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因為你的付出的比例外界從這個地方就可以看得到不過現在那個揭露的比例也才72就是為什麼沒有辦法全部百分之百不是 那是個別資金要 個別的薪資要揭露那是個別董事 董事是要個別揭露那因為我們沒有要求要個別 |
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主席主席 |
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主席 |
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就成為一個指數 人家就會投資你 就像我們做ETF的概念是一樣我們是用鼓勵的方式 因為強制的話 因為各家公司的體質差很多比如上次各位公司 大家看到獲利好 可能就是資通訊產業或是這些我們其實很多的傳產上次各位公司 其實過去剛才副會長也提到了其實各位感覺起來我們大家都好像賺錢 那其實上很多產業其實很辛苦的 |
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這也很容易引發一個勞資之間在這邊每年大概就是會有一個就像我們這個基本工資啊這些東西又另外一個問題還有最重要的是剛剛副會長有提到政交法真的不是處理稅跟加薪的議題的那我們如果真的要把它變成是全民的話看看在哪裡有沒有可以來更好的方式來處理因為政交法確實不是用來做這件事情 |
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其實主委剛剛講的也是有道理因為符合國際的這個情況另外我覺得金管會的態度大概就是多一點的陽光多一點的鼓勵取代苛責你要在入法真的感覺有一些自愛難行的地方不然我們就是把重點放在中小企業發展條例那邊看協商的結論 |
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這個是回應社會上很多人的需求所以才會從上會議開始就很多人在提案我相信包括民進黨應該對外一定要有一個講法我比較認為這個案子不是錦上添花的案子是比較雪中送炭看怎麼樣去補強一點點這個 |
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主席 |
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但是我們在上市會公司用另外的方式用我們另外用計畫的方式來鼓勵他那我們金管會也正在推動我們可以請組長報告一下就是說我們未來強化這種鼓勵他們加薪的計畫來回應社會那另外中小企業那邊因為他比較善比較那個那這樣用趕快把它切割來處理大家都希望我們的國人的薪資水準能夠提高一個單純化啦 中小企業換條例那個 |
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現在只是說你們做的事情要什麼方式,在哪個法裡面去呈現呢?你說你剛剛講,主委如果說了,你要怎麼鼓勵?這個陽光要在什麼地方出現?就是我們在資訊揭露,就像我們這個原來條文裡面就有一個令因主管機關規定揭露公司薪酬政策權利這個就是我們主管機關就會根據不同的狀況,像比如有一陣子大家覺得說你公司賠錢問董建還在加薪啊,所以我們就訂一個叫 |
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如果你虧損的話你就要揭露你董建讓人家看說你有沒有廢話像這個我們就按照那當時這個就會產生一個嚇阻作用再來就是我們揭露非主管薪資就是主管當然是比較高級非主管的平均薪資多少大家就會比說原來你這麼苛刻你的基層員工比如諸如此類的我們證交法一個很重點叫資訊揭露我們可以在資訊揭露這邊去做這個強化但是 |
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實在是不宜在這種的法律裡面加說一定要加薪每年一定要加薪一定的比率這個當然不是它的功能那我們在這邊我們覺得我們可以在這個部分資訊結露的部分我們怎麼樣把那個陽光把它加大它的那個曝曬的範圍第一個資訊結露第二就是說鼓勵的鼓勵的計畫對對對 |
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這個計畫要在哪個法裡面去呈現還是怎麼樣有辦法嗎比較明確讓民眾可以知道這個辦法首先跟委員報告剛剛關心到說到底整個上次的公司有沒有賺錢幫員工做加薪先跟委員報告說過去四年公司平均的稅錢淨利是上升了22%左右過去四年 |
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但是呢,員工福利費用也上升了19%換言之說,雖然沒有差很大也是說,過去四年平均來說商業公司還是有反應把獲利回饋給員工像現在商業公司平均的薪水應該是一年大概是一百幾萬左右 |
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二、台灣民眾黨團擬具 |
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民報最佳實務範例就是說公司在訂這個籌金的時候要橫評董監籌金跟員工薪資的一個情況提醒他說不是只能加在董監這邊員工這邊也要做兼顧啦那另外像公司的薪水的這個訂定的這個政策 |
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總監的酬勞的政策也要寫在財報當中所以透過不斷的各種的包括像年報、財報還有公安政經觀測站剛剛主委提到的除了這個以外還有中位數因為怕被高階的經理人把他給拉高所以還有中位數的問題還有哪些公司有加薪加薪如果這個 |
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主席主席 |
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講很多啦齁你具體的提出一個有效的方法對外宣布一下即便你過去去年寫的那個你的成果或者你還有新的鼓勵的方法你都要公布一下我等待你那個啦齁那我們這邊也在等那今天的協商就到此齁那如果你沒有提出來我們下次就是擇期再議了我就直接送院會好不好 |
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我們現有的證交法的法條都已經有了只是說我們來強化剛剛講的資訊揭露剛剛我們提到就是說假設社會關切什麼資訊比如說剛剛講說你那個成長多少薪資成長多少把這兩個揭露出來讓人家看嘛比如像這樣的話讓我們社會自由公平好公司或是比較 |
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二、台灣民眾黨團擬具 |
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因為他們最在乎就是投資人怎麼看他們他會這樣透過他的投資或以行為來鼓勵或是懲罰到他們我想用這個方法我們的法條應該是足夠我簡單補充一下因為主席剛剛也做了簡單結論其實我們黨團剛開始在討論這個問題的時候是發現問題算嚴重因為就是真的是落差是很大這是一個點那第一個我們就是說我知道你們也有在做 |
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可是就是說一般很多人在外面談的時候都無感嘛所以我們才會提這個案子那很好如果經過這樣的討論你們說你們要提出某些辦法就提出來主席講的提出來以後我們去說服民眾看看民眾的有沒有接受好不好那有接受或許這個法就可以擱著那如果沒有的話我們可能這個法在馬上就送好不好那大家一起努力啦一起來努力我們理性的來提案子然後共同來討論好不好 |
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好 謝謝張委員 謝謝李委員那我們就是等待彭金榮彭主委的新之雙見你這兩次竟然趕快提出沒有的話 |
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一個月請彭主委這邊提出提高薪資的雙件 |
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主席主席主席 |