| IVOD_ID |
160126 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160126 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-11T15:50:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-11T16:07:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/612fb6649aede235e909905d61edc3924ee85e61fece82c24e53244e6cb2723456161e727e47ac5e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:50:55 - 16:07:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議（事由：一、覆議案之處理事項（4月11日上午）。二、行政院院長提出針對美國關稅政策因應作為專案報告並備質詢（4月11日下午）。三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢（4月15日）。四、4月11日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好 謝謝主席我請卓院長 經濟部長 農業部長請備詢 |
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我首先要回應剛才前面兩位民進黨立委在質詢的時候對於包含在野政黨或者是我們的縣市首長積極回應這次美國高關稅的影響 |
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把他污名化成為是唱衰台灣或者刻意作對我覺得這是完完全全的抹黑完完全全的扭曲而且在現在一個國家危難當頭如果作為執政黨的委員還要繼續的在國內找敵人我覺得第一個這不但不能夠解決問題而且只是製造問題我想院長這幾天應該有很深的感受 |
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包含星期一我們這個院長邀請朝野政黨的黨團幹部我們都非常積極而且善意的前往而且針對行政院所提出來的相關的法案如果我們可以支持的我們立刻表達支持 |
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如果我們覺得有疑慮的地方我們也希望行政院來做說明跟再做研究我想院長應該有很深的體驗另外我們的在野的縣市首長積極的去回應在縣市內所有這些產業也好勞工也好 |
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他們的疑慮有何不對所以我在這邊首先要對這樣還在繼續的去抹黑繼續的在國內找敵人我認為七七以為不可這不是解決問題這是製造問題好我想先請教院長我們一直在關心我們跟美國的交涉那我也有注意到賴總統提到說我們會成為首波跟美國交涉的國家 |
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因為以現在來講起碼有75個國家要跟美國做交涉然後呢到昨天為止現在傳出消息大概有15個國家已經分別在交涉也許還沒有成功比如說像越南雖然立刻打電話但是還沒有完全成功好 所以請問院長所謂的首播我希望我們都有科學的依據嘛 |
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所以如果还剩下60个国家的话请问一下我们是在前10个国家呢还是前20个国家然后最晚我们预定一个目标交涉的时间最晚在什么时间之前会达成 |
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好 報告委員75個國家或15個國家我想到目前我都還沒有看到哪一個國家說我已經談了什麼或我已經談到什麼都沒有一個國家主動這樣在說所以我想我們也不例外我們認為還沒有發生的事情我們讓他有醞釀的時間所以院長今天沒有辦法答覆我我們最晚 因為現在是有三個月還好有三個月的緩衝期 |
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所以没有办法答复我别说起码我在4月20号之前或在4月底之前我至少可以跟美国完成第一波交涉可以吗我讲的第一波交涉 |
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第一波交涉什麼時候開始什麼時候結束我想也沒有任何一個國家知道我只能說我昨天在行政院會對我說的我們會在爭取最佳最快的時間向美國做出最直接跟有力的交涉好 那另外其實今天大家這兩天大家非常關心賴總統投書的賴四條我想一個一個的來做一個理解 |
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第一个就是之前就讲我们要从零关税谈起因为那天到行政院我也特别讲那报告里面完全没有零关税可是这个零关税谈起事实上引起高度的重视那我想请问一下我们农业部部长农业产品会不会谈零关税 |
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我跟委員報告第一件事情就是農產業跟工商業的產業是不一樣的農產業本身我們未來在跟美國做談判跟溝通的時候一定會秉持著要維持我們產業的穩定跟永續發展 |
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不排除有農業產品從離關稅談起是這個意思嗎我想我們農業的產品以現在的稅者號列裡面是157項但是157項裡面有一些是我們產業非常重要的那這個重要的我們希望說能夠繼續維持 |
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我為什麼特別講因為我們對美國來台灣的農業產品貿易加權平均稅率是9.3%距離零關稅事實上有9.3%我們的工業產品是1.4%當然每一個產業不一樣所以它區域零關稅是比較接近 |
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農業產品事實上它的稅率是差距很大我在這邊具體的來做建議因為我們對美的產品農業只佔1%工業產品佔99%所以我在這邊具體的建議先排除農業產品 |
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先排除農業產品因為我覺得要跟農民先做充分的對話好來第二點我們要增加對媒採購2000億美元這個是我們部長在立法院也做答詢請問買什麼東西部長 |
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買什麼東西 這個因為是談判的籌碼所以抱歉現在不能夠大約就是我們需要的什麼樣的項目啊我們國內有需要的包括能源相關的產品還有只買能源能源或者科技的產品剛才的農業的產品擴大農產品的採購 |
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我們農業部長剛剛沒有講,因為我時間有限,讓我們經濟部長講一講。我剛才已經跟你們報告了。就這樣啦?這是什麼答案?好,我要特別講,我也做一個具體建議,因為剛才那個院長也特別提到,就是我們會參與美國阿拉斯加的天然氣開發, |
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这个开发案过去就有他们也跟日韩兜售了很久日本韩国恐怕这一次也没有办法阻挡我了解但是我在这边提醒以我们现在中油已经累计亏损高达691亿元我希望这个投资也好或者采购也好不能够再增加中油的亏损我的具体的建议和要求 |
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好 請你們在評估的過程裡面考慮到國營事業台電已經被搞到累積虧損超過4000億我不希望再看到棕油也變成一個錢坑另外一個錢坑這是我具體建議好 再來增加對美國投資這個是無法避免的尤其台積電已經宣布其實我們現在還有投審會這一關照理說 |
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我們投選會進一步投選會不能應該變成虛設可是我們現在關心的問題是一哥台積電到美國投資兩千億美元那麼很多人擔心變成美積電好現在又傳出我們的二哥半導體二哥聯電也可能會做合併雖然部長我也注意到你說這是不可能的事情 |
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可是常常我們官員中不可能的事情最後都變成可能了例如台積電所以二哥聯電現在也被人稱之為會變成美聯電好再來我們更擔心的是早在今年二月份我們很多的科技產業的代工廠集體到美國 |
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然後因為美國不僅僅只是要求只是要台積電跟聯電而已因為我們自己也講了我們要組成這個台美聯隊嘛所以現在德州希望打造德州竹科我們更擔心的是不是只有一哥二哥去連整個科學園區會不會也都搬到美國所以在整個增加對美投資裡面 |
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產業會被出走形成台灣產業空洞化第二個能不能跟流台灣院長部長我希望在這個部分也請你們能夠做評估因為我知道你現在全部的時間是放在怎麼去對美國交涉這個我能理解 |
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可是如何避免台灣的產業出走產業空洞化如何讓我們的產業能夠跟流台灣這是非常重要的事情請做評估好另外院長 |
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我們總統特別提到非關稅貿易障礙我想直接因為其實非關稅貿易障礙美國一直常年指責我們是很多項我在這邊具體的請教其中有一個是根據是我們的食品安全也就是針對這個美牛美豬啊當然不是只有針對美國就是豬肉 |
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牛肉要標示產地美國認為這是一個非關稅貿易障礙所以請問一下這個我們會不會讓 |
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好 我剛剛提到很多問題啦這個先問 因為我時間有限這個我這是非關稅貿易障礙其實我覺得這個問題很大啦並不亞於我們的關稅稅率我請教一下這是我們很多的民眾關係的食安問題所以標示美豬美牛也不是只有標因為他們還要標示啊別說你是澳洲的啊來自於西班牙什麼的之類好 有關於產品 |
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牛豬的標誌我們會不會因為因此而取消第一個考慮到國人的健康再來國內市場消費的習慣但是如果我們也有國際的 |
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標準跟經過科學的證據我想要橫平起來考量就是說如果是一個國際社會共同的標準那在台灣我們如何在國人健康跟消費市場習慣上面做怎麼樣的一個區別這不是現在用這樣子來對話因為主角不在現場主角的一方不在現場這必須是談判的過程我們據理力爭台灣有台灣國內的狀況 |
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所以其實我覺得賴總統投書我認為有很大的問題因為非關稅貿易障礙我必須講如果非關稅貿易障礙那麼容易解決的話馬總統時代就會解決蔡英文總統時代也可以解決如果那麼容易解決的話 |
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其實之前的總統、政府都已經可以解決這個就牽涉到很多我們民眾不管我這邊沒有談到的比如稻米的問題 對不對還有檢驗的問題但是對一般老百姓認為我要知道來自我吃的豬肉 |
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牛肉應該要標示產地我長期在餐廳也看到標示我長期到超市也看到標示然後現在美國人告訴我不能標示我們能不能讓我覺得這個部分一定要有社會的對話這一點其實那天在行政院裡面我也特別講院長希望我們能支持但是我說我們沒有辦法現在就說yes因為如果沒有社會對話我們沒有辦法面對廣大的國人 |
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還有一個是很多家長非常關心的現在基改食品不能夠進入校園事實上我們是有法有名定我們是法的規定因為保障我們營養午餐孩子的食安 |
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好 所以這一項其實也長期被美國人認為是非關稅貿易障礙一直要求我們不能對基改食品有任何的歧視包含這個關稅的這個科目還有就是在校園的禁止所以我請問院長有沒有可能在這次談判裡面我們會把開放校園能夠讓基改食品進入校園這一點會不會放 |
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基本的原則跟我剛剛答覆的一樣不過我也知道大院裡面的委員會目前也在審慎的在評估甚至做這個對這案子本身提出一些建議我們會看這個建議的內容我們來好所以我的結論是不要隨便一下就說我們可以去取消非關稅貿易障礙沒有沒有跟民眾的對話我認為這是極為危險的事情好 報告我台北之間的非關稅貿易障礙 |
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範圍也是蠻大的有一些部分我們可以衡量雙方對等互惠的關係我要講其實你可以看到我提到的這些項目是一般消費者一般民眾有些是基於產業上的考量我這邊提到的都是一般民眾在心理上跟他們在食安上是難以接受的所以這一點我不希望我們立刻就什麼全部都讓出去 |
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我們全部都讓出去的話我覺得我們沒有辦法對這些消費者跟家長來交代好另外很重要的我們在這一次的所謂的對內支援也就是紓困方案裡面當然理解但是主要是在於 |
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因為關稅而受創的這些產業但是我們有很多的服務業他們同時他們也是會間接的受影響譬如說觀光業因為大家已經開始評估這是全球評估不是台灣因為整個受到 |
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美国高关税的影响可能都影响全球的旅游市场所以我在这边具体的建议希望当行政院提出整个纾困方案的时候能够把观光业纳入 |
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因為我們去年本來我們的目標一千萬塊根本達不成今年第一季應該可以成長但是我看這樣子一半夯上來但又很難所以我們現在有50年旅行社都已經倒閉了大家都苦撐待變所以希望能把觀光業納入紓困的項目另外一個具體的台鐵能不能動漲院長 |
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30年沒有調漲我了解但選在這個時間6月23號調漲請問一下台鐵可不可以研究暫時動漲 |
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好 謝謝王委員 謝謝卓院長 |