| IVOD_ID |
160123 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160123 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-11T15:02:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-11T15:17:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/612fb6649aede2357ae666fb144c50b74ee85e61fece82c24aafdbe7f0d479b9c6a74b42f456a0955ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
傅崐萁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:02:18 - 15:17:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議（事由：一、覆議案之處理事項（4月11日上午）。二、行政院院長提出針對美國關稅政策因應作為專案報告並備質詢（4月11日下午）。三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢（4月15日）。四、4月11日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席請院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢副委員好卓院長辛苦了不會 大家都一樣辛苦今年是2025年是在上一次美國政府所提出的關稅大壁壘 |
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是在1930年95年前當時發生的情況我們都沒有看見因為95年後美國再一次用這種雷霆的手段來平衡貿易的逆差但前一次1930年造成全世界經濟的一個 |
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撞擊而且美國啊從此展開了為期啊多年的經濟的大蕭條造成全世界啊這個經濟的整體的崩潰失業率的大幅提升各行各業全世界都受難在95年後我們再一次碰到美國再次引爆啊關稅壁壘的核彈這段時間 |
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我們必須很務實的來面對是的我們大家一定要團結一心共赴國難不分朝夷大家同心協力院長我們是不是要一起同心協力當然是也希望大院能夠支持讓行政院的方案能夠一起來推動不過本席在這裡要請院長因為今天的院長的專案報告 |
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從星期一我們的座談當中院長就表達希望今天到立法院來做專案報告讓全國國人能夠了解我們也欣然的接受也歡迎但是這份報告我們確實這個我不曉得說我們現在整體立法院跟行政院這個報告是要等院長您報告完之後我們才有電子檔 |
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所以是不是因為接著下來不只是這一次的振興跟紓困台灣的經濟未來可能還有第二期第三期甚至接下來這個紓困的條例也要送到立法院來審議我們希望院長下一次院長到立法院做報告的時候能夠早一兩天給我們報告的資料因為大家是在合作 |
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集思廣益我們馬上第一棒代表國民黨要來詢答但是這個資料我剛剛才看到 |
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所以我們希望這個資料能夠盡早給我們兩句話書面報告我們有提前送來那口頭的報告早上還在改因為他的行政命令半夜才宣布我們早上還在改沒有關係沒有關係院長我們共勉之了好不好大家記得要同心把這個事情完成我們配合美方的行政措施早上還在宣布半夜宣布我們早上還在修改這個向大院來致歉但書面報告已經有提前送達這個依照經濟部4月4號今年4月4號送到 |
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這個立法院來的報告裡面我們對美國的粗糙在去年是649億美金光這個數字我們現在都還在確認因為經濟部在本月4號給我們的資料是649億美金那我們加徵的關稅是32%的關稅賴總統 |
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也對投書美國的彭博社提出了四個對策包括台美零關稅增加軍購還有採購對美投資還有承諾取消所有非關稅貿易的障礙我想基本賴總統宣布的這四項主要政策我們是尊重但是所有的風險 |
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我們要一併的考量台美零關稅 我們先從零關稅說起如果台美零關稅 其實台灣的農林漁牧是相當的無辜畢竟在去年我們對美的輸出是8.6億美金美國對台灣的輸入是37億美金整體我們兩國的貿易是逆差 |
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在逆超的情況之下卻是要承擔未來可能零關稅這樣的一個撞擊所以本期在這裡要特別提醒 院長尤其我們的談判代表團到美國的時候對於農林榆木的部分本身我們是入超在這個部分是不是用其他的方式來協調盡量不要損及 |
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我們農民 漁民相關的權益可以嗎好 三句話跟委員報告第一個 農漁優先這個是政府一向的策略我們是終止不會改變第二點 我們對美國對美國的輸出輸入在農業方面我們是逆差的 |
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我們希望在這一點能夠得到談判當中的諒解那至於從零關稅談起這是一個談判的態度中間涉及到很多的策略跟相關的互相的條件那麼農業部也針對農漁的將來可能受到的損害有做到相當多的風險的研判跟設算那我們會站在這個立場上面跟委員所說的一樣保障我國的農漁民的權利所以說現在國內有很多的 |
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這個疑慮已經產生了所以本席在今天也是讓院長有一個說明的機會了解因為這個零關稅端出來的時候有很多的產業開始恐慌我希望院長這個部分能夠跟我們的農林榆木的我們這些基層的這些農民 漁民能夠讓他們能夠多所了解政府還是站在他們的立場 |
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而且這是對台 我們是入超所以特別要保護我們的農漁民這些繼承的我昨天跟加工區的業者今天總統跟工具區的業者後天我就會見到農漁民的代表我們會談他業者對本身業界實際上的感受這本席在這裡也是希望這次政府所提出來的880億 |
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的振興跟紓困的我們整體經濟的這些預算對農運民的部分大概有180億左右180億這180億是否足夠還要做一個更深刻的更深刻的這個座談了解這個部分國民黨可以很清楚的強調我們全力的支持謝謝好不好不能讓我們的基層農運民受到任何的傷害 |
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畢竟台灣的糧食我們的自給率只有30%其實要仰仗進口如果我們這30%都沒有辦法自給率確保的話對我們農民營毀滅性的傷害這個是我們承擔不起的台灣不能農食自給農農糧的自給率我們不能嚴重的不足那請院長這個部分 |
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對於國人的健康我們不能退讓有健康餘力的產品、食品要進入台灣我們還是要保障我們孩子的健康 |
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這個部分我們可以希望用其他的部分來做替代但是千萬不要讓我們的孩子成長的過程中讓有一粒的食品來妨礙到我們孩子的健康好不好可以嗎國人健康當然不能打折但是台灣身為國際社會的一員只要符合國際的標準有科學的認證我們在經過國內嚴謹的程序 |
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我覺得這個是我們在談判過程當中必須表達出來的態度那結論就是我們不會以傷害國人健康來換取不應該有的條件我們先來對美蘇蘇的農產品包括蝴蝶蘭 茶葉 毛豆冷凍魚 鮭魚 鬼頭刀 鱸魚還有其他的相當的產品再請這個院長這部分能夠多所體恤另外就是 |
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我希望有一個談判的方式能夠給行政院因為我們大家其實是廣義為台灣好我們所有談判的我們的基礎我們自己要能夠掌握住所以在這裡要特別跟院長來分享我們看一下台積電對美銷售的狀況 |
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他一年大概是兩兆八千九百四十三億台幣的產值對美的輸出六十八點八二大概是六百零七億美金這是台積電六百零七億美金輸往美國再看一下聯電北京今天只談這兩個其實還有很多周邊對美輸出的IT產業半導體產業 |
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是17.6億美金輸往美國院長這個數字非常重要所以這兩個部分光台積電跟聯電 |
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我們對美的輸出就是624.6億美金而這個部分是在IT agreement裡面是基本上在4月4號以前是零關稅的所以我們對美的出鈔649億美金大多部分是我們零關稅的產業過去的 |
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是事實上除扣掉這些以外其實台灣的其他產業這些傳產的部分對美國並不是出潮而是入潮但是這個部分我們明明是入潮但是對美輸出卻莫名的加上32%的累加的關稅這對台灣是非常非常不公平的 |
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所以院長本席特別提醒我們對美其實扣掉IT產業半導體產業周邊產業我們對美其實是入朝的所以莫名的冠上這32%的關稅我們要據理力爭尤其台積電尤其台積電對美現在川普總統說要對美投資2000億美金這2000億美金 |
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我們既然已經要投資美國兩千億美金的台積電還有包括聯電未來可能都會成為美聯電台積電成為美積電不會啦在這種情況之下院長我們很務實的講應該告訴美國政府 |
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這些都是對美大宗投資甚至把Intel他們有問題的公司都有台積電蓋過來承受所以其實台灣其他的這些傳產對美國是入潮的不應該灌上32%的要把真實的數字把它確實理清好不好 院長 |
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台灣在美國的這個輸入的輸到美國的產品工業產品加起來1114億啦其中有差不多百分之六十五左右就集中在自通訊跟電子產業上面那這個有700多億當中這個現在還有一些是在豁免的美國還會有下一步的這個政策所以過去造成的649億的 |
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初超其實這是一個虛幻的數字並不是真實因為那個部分本身雙方都是零關稅所以我們很務實的看台灣的傳產基本上是入超的所以這個部分要拜託也請院長 |
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鄭麗君副院長他有溝通的長才跟協調本席了解董秘辛秘書長有他的專業我們都了解也都認同但是如果過去我們APEC領袖會議所敦請的張忠謀先生他又代表台積電為了要投資美國兩千億的這樣的台積電他如果能夠代表我國過去 |
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來跟美國來做談判的話我相信對台灣人的權益的爭取有相當大的幫助我們希望廣開我們廣開 散門只要對台灣有利的部分我們盡可能的邀請他們加入談判的夥伴可以嗎謝謝委員的建議我們最近展開產業之旅也跟個別的業者有一些溝通跟座談的機會 |
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我可以跟委員報告所有的業者對於耕留台灣以及台灣加一這樣的想法都非常的一致會把台灣成為繼續的高科技領先關鍵地位那談判的過程我們會請教他們的意見因為大家都愛台灣我們在這裡生活大家都習慣在台灣也愛台灣當然都願意耕留台灣但是要讓耕留台灣的產業能夠繼續活下去包括 |
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整個當製造業 整個產業受到撞擊的時候我們的各行各業 服務業 觀光業全部會受到重創 |
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這就是整個骨牌效應大家面對嚴重的不景氣從1930年美國的大蕭條我們看到前車之鑒所以希望這次的談判全國國人都希望我們談判是成功的能夠保護到我們的傳產能夠繼續的生存所以院長我們要拜託大家 |
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對於行政院所提出對美另外投資國家政府基金再投資兩千億美金六兆六千億台幣我們希望能夠顧及到台灣本體產業還是要足夠的力量能夠來支持確保我們自己的銀彈是充足的好不好 |