| IVOD_ID |
16011 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16011 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2024061236 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-13T08:32:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-13T10:51:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:18:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-06-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：研商有關行政院針對本院三讀通過修正「立法院職權行使法」部分條文及增訂「中華民國刑法」第５章之１章名及第141條之1條文等案，移請本院覆議案相關事宜（國民黨黨團提議）） |
| 委員名稱 |
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| 委員發言時間 |
08:32:21 - 10:51:00 |
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謝謝,我們三黨的幹部陸續都到了 |
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好,謝謝我們秘書長、三黨的幹部還有各位工作夥伴謝謝大家今天一起出席我們朝野協商那今天應國民黨黨團所提出 |
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關於有行政院對本院三讀通過《立法院職權行使法》部分條文及增訂《中華民國憲法》第五章之第一章名及第141條之一條文等移請本院覆議案等事宜國民黨黨團提出要求協商我們先請國民黨黨團請發言謝謝院長跟我們各黨黨編我想行政院已經正式對 |
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立法院所三讀通過的職權行使法．還有刑法修正案提出了正式的覆議那我們本院之權希望盡快來處理因為15天內必須要處理完那我們在這裡希望今天的協商能夠把明確的時程把它定出來也能夠在明天院會的報告事項順利來覆為 |
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所以在這裏希望說我們大家都能夠 |
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本朱李姓本朱對這個民意託付的監督我們能夠朝野大家一致能夠盡快把覆議案做一個明確的一個議決那也希望說這個因為卓榮泰行政院卓院長才剛剛就職就對立法院提出覆議案這個是過去所沒有見過這樣的一個情況那對本院 |
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也相當的不尊重所以我們也敬請希望卓文泰卓院長必須要來跟全國國人說明為什麼要提出覆議案這是一個國會自主的問題為什麼行政院自然難行我們希望說他們能夠來這裡表達還有一個雙向的溝通溝通完之後 |
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我們就進行議決也希望大家都能夠理性來看待這個事情我們務實的來討論好不好也不要任何異常衝突的發生全歐國人全世界都在看好不好謝謝簡言之副坤吉總召救三個重點第一就是希望卓榮泰院長到院說明沒關係等一下他會進行第三個馬上就好 |
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副議案提出在憲法徵求條文裏面有明定處理的時程 |
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在憲法下我們本來就應該在憲法19條文所定的期限當中予以處理 |
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就舉行的方式以及舉行的時間其實過去也都有潛力可以援引因為我大概看了一下全院委員會跟投票以前地震事法是差一天那個時候的地震事法是1月27號全院委員會1月28號投票 |
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那《會計法》的話,《會計法》那個時候也沒有邀請政院院長然後就直接全院委員會當天就投票那那個時候是6月13號處理,就當天全院委員會然後同時那天投票 |
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那要分一天或是分兩天來加以進行我覺得以立法院整個的運作有效率為最高的考量那其他的事情我們明明沒有什麼特別的堅持就尊重其他各個黨團大家所表示的意見 |
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這個我們OK基本上面把時間劃出來然後都談好了這樣子就OK副管理總召有提請卓榮泰院長到院來說明你這邊是開放的對 我們不反對接下來我們請民進黨黨團柯總召 |
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韓院長﹖各位選項代表首先對韓院長剛才再問的就是說請院長來到院說明覆議案這憲法政策條文所規定很清楚也不是在強調啦也不是說什麼這個事情所以我是覺得我們把這個事情講清楚針對剛才副分局總召所談的有三點我不同意解 |
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二、不尊重立法院三、國會自主這到底有沒有憲法常識 |
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剛才黃國昌已經馬上打給你了這個條文本來就是這個順序這個覆議案在立法院常常在覆議案也不是今天所謂的未見不在覆議請副總召你已經查一下過去的公報紀錄當然已經覆議了我要把表決完畢以後我們黨團意想說這節約會失憲我們營運體會失憲 |
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那當天晚上 左院長臨時會議表示還會提覆議所以這個是照憲法而來的而且左院長講過 |
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一天到晚能不能人聲 |
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這條人事公職要讓我轉移轉移 轉重點了我說大家要有憲法 徵到憲法形式 |
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第二個是不尊重你委員那你委員違憲的處理人難道行政院他的宣言機關他不會表示意見嗎他沒有辦法對於他施政這回事有問題嗎我可以說嗎我可以說嗎根本就還沒有違憲有沒有違憲你現在一直講沒有違憲那是現在來講嗎 |
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我講說你是沒有違憲有沒有違憲大家有沒有違憲到先往法庭去處理沒有啦 你們兩個需要控制你不要控制他 你要控制我幹什麼你情緒不要受到影響好 我不要受到影響你要制止他 立法官會你要制止他 兩岔回了他講話都很簡短很簡短 |
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他所謂不尊重立法院根本沒有先進嘗試他已經七大點理由列在那裏很清楚你去看一看 |
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你可以把他 讓前委員把他叫來問 你要多問幾個 多問幾天也沒有關係找一堆人去 去碰也沒關係這個是武器對等的嘛第一個 第三 這個不是從國會製作然後國會律從法案違憲的扣錢 包括行政院的實質的施政權以及這個違反 |
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而反憲法70條正在預算他都不能有意見嗎?到底整案是不是先進體制?所以這三點大家要講完全部錯顏哲同意,你講顏哲第一個,我們也不必再講說民進黨會佔領主義台啊沒人講說有的沒的 |
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對我們來講是一種侮辱我已經提出抗議 |
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也不會在那裏卑躬誰隱 國民黨的案長不會在那裏卑躬誰隱你自己好像自己非常心中有一些比較不正常的想法你自己把它講出來 絕對沒有那個事情我會幫你懂我是要和我講 講到看大家可以同意互裕這是我們期待 不行的話 |
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還有事件途徑．問題是總統簽了以後還有事件途徑．至於．章委員剛才講的 |
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照簽署這條文這是對的第二個方式要談時間要談要在同一天也要在不同一天他所提議的一個就是會計法覆議會計法覆議是以前沒有說前委員會來問為什麼呢因為那個方面文子抽很清楚嘛 |
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所以都當作覆議所以沒有什麼好再去說什麼爭辯的那大家都有共識嘛那是錯誤嘛所以這個那是與所謂沒有前任委員會直接同覆議那時候朝委都認為這個應該更正嘛徐文昌為這個事情你還看滿久啊所以解歷史我們要把他還原歷史真相 |
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今天我們要談的就是說那個兩個才一百、兩個一百跟一個一百五嘛今早時間一定要完成嘛6月25日已經完成以前采訪會議案是2月6日進來2月19日完成2020采訪會議案也都是不管誰執政都會按照憲法 |
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是從憲法的行政行為來做不管文黨民黨都是一樣因為這個沒有人可以抵抗憲法所以對於我剛剛講的我是一無所謂的他現在還認為是合憲那合憲不合憲等到覆案結果那表決結果今天要實現的話表決結果總統已經要公告 |
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公告以後,只要我們黨團實現、行政院實現,至於監察院要實現,我們都尊重,千分之一都會實現因為影響到監察院這樣委員之間的行使,無法施治的問題所以我的言論是這樣當然在這種時間裡面,我的看法是這樣 |
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這不是效益不效益的問題,這是時間來的,總之是這個時間嘛所以這個時間大家兩邊都要懂完嘛,都要去遐想說明我看昨天朱祐文在電視上講說要百場以上我是覺得那是一回事,那是誇大其詞的名次嘛那中午開始各黨都開始遐想說明去溝通嘛那這自己找回自己的群眾自己去說明自己的理念,這是好的 |
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這不是所謂效率的問題,這是在時間範圍內一定要完成,但是方式怎麼樣等一下再談對不起,我濃縮一下三位總召的講法,就是新任院長到院來做報告,這一點是不是三個黨團都同意? |
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好 這第一件事情這第一件事情沒有很重要大家都同意我們先確定這一點第二點就是下週一三四我們則一天來開行政院這個我們來開全院委員會下星期一三四請問一下三個總召等一下你會發言沒問題啊我們先把兩個重點確定下星期一三四我們是不是就選一天來開全院委員會 |
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柯總統您看下禮拜 下禮星期一不是 我先問一下對 我知道 我們先確定這兩個這個草原鄉的結論是 草原鄉是這樣的我不好意思去講你啦齁但是一般大家說好嘛 你要喬 你要喬你現在先割下去沒有沒有沒有 我沒有割我就說 徵詢一下大家你也不必嘗試啦 就先講好嘛再講嘛 |
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那如果大家都同意我們先確定請左院長來到院來說明報告這一點我們來折一天時間第二個就是時間了那能不能要拜託大家聚焦在這個重點上請侯孟凱書記長然後請吳書記幹事長請準備 |
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好謝謝院長我想剛剛行政院長因為覆議案要來立法院得邀請行政院長來說明這是立院職權行使法覆議案的這個章節清楚明白規定也因此我們剛剛三個黨團都一致共事邀請行政院長來說明並且被質詢我想這個是大家沒有問題的 |
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那我也先還原一下柯總召也不用卑躬攝影啦這個我們講的我的原話講的是說任何人用暴力衝突意識杯葛的話發起者負起完全責任並沒有講哪一個黨團也不用杯葛攝影也不用對號入座不過我接受剛剛柯總召的抗議 |
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我們其實 院長 |
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主席 |
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明天6月14日 |
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我們有沒有一個可能性也是院會時間如果我們可以接受的話我們何不就直接來處理這個覆議變更議程上午變成全院委員會那邀請行政院長一樣是他已經預留時間來去做總諮詢邀請行政院長早上就來做這個覆議案的一個報告並且上午我們把這個報告來做一個結束下午就可以來做一個院會的一個表決 |
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我想這樣子可能大家就可以很清楚明白知道這個覆議案的一個態度跟掌握方向 |
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那如果說在上午因為明天早上是禮拜五會有國事論壇所以說從10點鐘開始也因此上午的時間各黨團比如說院長通常報告差不多20分鐘左右報告完畢之後各黨團推派代表來去做一個質詢所以我想這可能大家來討論一下以上午差不多一點以前能夠結束的各黨團的推派人數大家可能來做一個這個確定方向那中午 |
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議事人員布置一下會場下午兩點半就可以開始來做投票我試圖先提出來這樣的一個方向那如果說大家覺得是在明天確實時間上來講因為行政院長本來明天就已經安排好要過來而且大家也都把時間明天安排好也是院會時間所以這是第一個那如果說大家真的覺得是說這麼短暫的時間內其實因為行政院他早就已經把這個理由給備妥了那如果說沒有辦法的話 |
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是不是下個禮拜一也是我們的委員會的時間我們就來做全院委員會那當天就整天來做全院委員會那我們也一樣早上9點就可以請行政院長來做覆議案的一個說明那並且被質詢 |
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那整個質詢時間很充分剛剛柯總照也講說要理性溝通開放那我們就好好的一整天的時間來做一個質詢那可能政黨的代表就可以派比較多一點那到禮拜一全院委員會整個結束之後禮拜二院會6月18號上午我們就可以來做一個投票表決因為這個6月18禮拜二因為這個覆議案 |
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我們的職權行使法也是規定就是一定是要用投票表決的方式所以早上9點到11點也許兩個小時的時間來做投票表決那但是如果大家都已經提早投完票的話也許就可以提早開票就如同正副院長選舉一樣 |
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下午2點半我們繼續進行行政院長的總諮詢因為畢竟我們這個會期已經在之前的超越協商已經講出7月16號是會期結束所以說其實如果說我們又再加入當初我們在討論的時候其實是沒有考慮到說有這個覆議案 |
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的插入所以禮拜二6月18號的院會我認為是上午可以投票投票完之後下午來做行政院長總諮詢因為其實我們很多委員也都已經準備好還有很多的議題要來去救教我們的行政院長那最後我只簡單一點 |
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剛剛柯總召有講到是不知道是不是說溜嘴說這個當天我們國會改革法案一結束之後當天晚上卓榮泰院長就在臉書上說他會提出復議但是我印象非常深刻到5月31號我們的傅坤祺總召質詢卓榮泰院長的時候卓榮泰院長是說他連條文都還沒看到換言之這就已經治證這是先射箭再劃法不過 |
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既然各政黨都有各政黨的立場所以我只提醒既然這樣的話我們大家就就事論事很清楚明白我們剛剛已經把我們兩個方案提出來我們希望各黨團能夠針對這兩個方案或是如果認為 |
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你們提出一個比較具體的方案 我們可以聚焦在這個時間上面好不好 以上感謝 |
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那黃光商總召請繼續請發言我覺得我們那個發言的順序的規則到底是怎麼樣是不是今天先請院長確定一下有的時候用舉手有的時候用罩輪那規矩到底是怎麼樣我覺得院長立下的規則我們大家都願意遵守那這個規則是不是先訂好 |
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我希望能夠平均發言例如我們民進黨發言完國民黨發言完民進黨發言完但是有的時候會有人提早舉手所以我在這個時候我就要問一下第二輪或第三輪沒有發言的政黨請問一下你們要不要補充發言形式上一定是平均大家都是有發言的次序這一點很重要所以我就問你有沒有二次發言那如果你有現在都已經第二次發言 |
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您發言完畢就是請民進黨第二輪發言請謝謝院長我基本上是建議這個規則就把它立下來啦要不然每一次黨團協商的時候 |
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到底規則是什麼大家都不是很清楚的話我覺得對於黨團協商的效率沒有什麼太大的幫助那也就是說未來如果說就三個黨團大家輪流就平均發言的話當然輪到你你不想講你可以放棄嘛那也讓院長不用那麼辛苦嘛然後在那邊看誰有舉手誰沒有舉手誰先舉誰後舉誰舉得長誰舉得短 |
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我覺得這個規則如果把它立下來的話我們都樂於遵守這個沒有什麼問題那第二個事情是說我還是會認為我們在黨團協商的時候基本上就針對院長所要召開的議事事項實質的來進行協商不要再扯一堆有的沒有的 |
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因為浪費大家的時間在那邊進行人身攻擊到底有什麼樣子的意義呢完全都在講自己主觀的一些想法甚至對別人進行謾罵 |
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然後說人家沒有憲政常識然後說一些有的沒有的說當初會計法的覆議是因為文字修正要還原歷史真相這太可笑了吧2013年會計法99條之1為什麼會覆議 |
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現在是可以插嘴嗎?現在是可以插嘴嗎? |
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沒有我只想請院長才是啦以後大家按麥克風是別人在講話其他人都可以按麥克風講話嗎就把規矩講好嘛不要永遠好像就有人可以按著麥克風在那邊插人家的嘴在那邊罵人 |
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大法官嗎? |
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總統在什麼時候稱讚國勤? |
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我重新問他他連內容是什麼都不曉得他要去覆議好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦 |
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能不能拜託大家 尊重一下黃國昌總召發言好嗎黃國昌兄情緒不要受影響 請繼續 |
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各位來院長我情緒不會受什麼影響因為其實我記得我在前幾次的協商當中我也很清楚的跟院長報告過我每次來這邊協商的時候我都是希望針對院長所召集協商的事項就是論事針對問題表達意見這樣就好了那每一黨有他各自的立場說清楚就好了但 |
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幾次下來我沒有辦法去接受一個是在當黨團協商的時候有人刻意用這個黨團協商的現場然後在對別人進行人身攻擊發表他自己的長篇大論那講完了一輪而以後根本沒有重點啊針對這個議事要討論的事項根本沒有重點啊純粹都只是在罵人啊那如果遊戲規則是這個樣子的話那我們就要把話給講清楚嘛 |
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那特別又在講什麼還原歷史真相2013年《會計法》919條之1的歷史真相就是四個黨團的總召躲在一場背後的會議室簽下了可恥的《會計法》的修正要幫貪污犯除罪化免除一切法律責任 |
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那個時候公民團體群起反彈那個時候才受不了蘇貞昌才出來道歉馬英九才出來道歉如果只是文字修正的話 |
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用得著藍綠兩大黨的黨主席出來跟社會道歉嗎那也正是因為那件事情從頭到尾就太丟臉了嘛丟臉到不想要請行政院院長來院裡面去做報告嘛大家就直接趕快把票投一投讓覆議案成功嘛你要談還原歷史真相那就把事情談清楚嘛那只不過說我其實不願意再去扯以前的事情因為這就不是今天 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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我們也是趕快趕來這邊質詢趕快來這邊協商希望協商可以早點結束我們回去各個委員會還有各個委員會質詢的事項要來加以處理那回到剛剛院長所問的問題的本身對於A案明天就要處理還是B案禮拜一開全院委員會禮拜二來處理台灣民眾黨黨團都可以接受以上 |
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謝謝黃國昌總接下來請吳思瑤幹事長發言首先我想還是適時釐清一下有關於《會計法》的覆議案很清楚就講覆議案不要扯到《會計法》之前在修法的過程《會計法》的覆議案之所以提出行政院的覆議就是針對《會計法》99條之1增列第二項支用研究 |
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研究計劃費不乏人員之範圍．依立法院提案各版本之條文及說明．均含教授在內．但是三讀條文的時候．發生文字的疏漏．漏了教授的教這個字．所以確實是因為文字疏漏．有勸明．有欠明確．及恐發生執行的爭議．所以這是2013年提出會計法99條之1． |
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的覆議案的緣由黃國昌委員扯遠了你扯到的是會計法在修正討論的那個過程但是我們今天在講覆議案不是嗎覆議案的事實真相就是因為當初 |
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議事委員在物質三讀的文字就是漏了一個教職員的叫這個字所以行政院在那個時候提出覆議案也正因為他只是補正文字的疏漏所以是非常快那一次的覆議案同一天處理 |
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尋答各黨指派一個人國民黨一個民進黨一個親民黨一個臺聯一個而且每個只發言三分鐘這些都可以佐證會計法當時的復議的緣由就是文字的疏漏這個一定要補正說明好嗎 |
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第2個呢我還是覺得有一點小小的不解跟遺憾我覺得這一屆的立法委員為什麼每一次在討論的事情大家都不太願意花時間討論我必須說朝野協商何其重要各黨邊在這裡處理今天的主題叫做覆議案我們好好交換意見這個討論何其珍貴這是一個補正的機會所以同樣我們都登記了各個委員會的質詢但是黨邊的職責 |
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就是在這裡把這個覆議案的朝野協商好好處理我不希望大家坐在這裡都是趕鴨子時間快委員會要質詢了我覺得這樣子我們黨邊的富有的責任可能這樣子也有點輕忽帶多自己的責任我們委員會都往後排沒有問題不要有時間壓力因為這樣發言我覺得壓力好大喔院長我們要好好討論不要讓這一屆的立法院成為最不愛討論的立法院這樣是不好的回到今天的主題 |
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覆議的提出過去已經有這次是第14次中華民國行政院跟立法院行政院提起覆議第14次所以有非常清楚的運行的規範經驗 |
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民進黨也絕對遵守議事規則不會因為杯葛讓它來不及在15天之後就失效這個前提非常明確我相信各黨都一樣不會有任何一黨要刻意蓄意的杯葛讓覆議案的運作行使投票是不順利的我想各黨都展現了這種民主精神跟風度不會有所以OK大家放心因為不會有人惡意杯葛 |
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所以就沒有擔心15天處理不完的那個時間壓力或者是儘早處理的那種時間壓力所以從時間點來看我們應當讓這個覆議案成為這一次的法案跟行政院他認為至愛難行的這個部分 |
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再一次補課的機會我用補課來形容這次的事情的覆議案的行使也是再一次對話的機會也是再一次審視的機會所以我們已經在國會的擴全法案裡頭已經失掉了很多討論的機會這一次的覆議案的行使Review |
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補課補正的機會不要再重蹈覆轍不要再快快轉不要再就表決就處理我覺得社會在看我們各黨的態度復議的本質就是reviewrediscussion大家去重新審視這個議案本身 |
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所以也沒有時間快快快投票投票投票快轉快轉快轉真的不能再重蹈覆轍一次不需要把時間壓縮得那麼緊這是第二個我們時間有充裕的時間在15天之內各黨有共識這個沒有時間的壓力好再來因為要重新審視所以院長要來報告他當然要來報告他當然要來說明他當然要提出行政院認為治安難行的層面 |
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所以院長來報告 |
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都應當也有充分完整的時間好好對話所以非常樂於我個人都認為歡迎各黨都安排人來問因為它就是一個review的機會我相信在野黨對於行政院長提覆議有很多不以為然就透過那個詢問的時間來好好再討論一次所以我以過去我們過去已經行使的13次的覆議案我就挑時間比較近的幾次 |
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我們來看看那個討論的密度如果是以我從比較近的講地政室的那個發言人數是國民黨7個民進黨7個臺聯2個武黨1個所以加起來是17位委員每位各10分鐘 |
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因為要好好討論嘛就會計法因為會計法剛剛說是文字疏漏所以四個黨只都派一個人一個人只有三分鐘他是一個例外再來在2008年的農會法的時候那是國民黨民進黨親民黨臺聯無盟那時候無黨聯盟每一位十分鐘各派一個所以是五位的發言 |
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三一九這個真相調查委員會的覆議案那個條例的覆議案是2004年當時民進黨派8個國民黨6個親民黨4個臺聯2個無盟2個武黨1個加起來是23個委員每位10分鐘 |
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在2003的公投法的覆議案裡頭一樣民進黨8個臺 國民黨6個 親民黨4個臺聯2個 無盟2個 武黨1個加起來是23位每位10分鐘才化法2002年 |
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民進黨4個 國民黨4個 親民黨4個 台聯2個 武黨1個加起來15個 好像每個是5分鐘我花一點時間把我所整理的這些人數講出來就是說朝野行政在立法之間都非常重視覆議案的形式因為它就是一個在討論的過程 |
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所以過去行使的這個經驗裡頭 院長他來報告跟說明然後委員充分的Welcome Most welcome有意見各黨團多派人而且多則一位10分鐘以上或是大家認為有必要這一次一個要15分鐘 這都可以談所以一個充分討論的前提是覆議案行使的一個很重要的目的所以我認為好好的讓我委員們跟行政院長好好的來進行對話這個是重要的所以他需要花時間 |
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也不能快轉跳號人數少然後每個問短短我想這不是大家想要的覆議案第三點就講到距離提出到行使表決投票的那一刻我同樣以過去的幾次經驗來講地政事法是7天宋達根結束是7天會計法因為是文字疏漏所以他很快兩天農會法是花了13天 |
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那這319針調的那個條例是花了12天那公投法是花了7到8天然後才化法是花了13天換言之都在這個合理的15天裡面但因為是重大議案我以我剛剛講的像才化法啦319腔調的特別條例或是農會法那個是很大的重大議案的話都是讓大家有審視的充分的時間所以都花到13天12天去行使它 |
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所以我以過去的執行的經驗跟套用在這一次的覆議案裡頭大家都認同它是一個重大議案所以要在審視的過程、review的過程 |
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充分的給空間給時間而這樣的review的過程不只給立委跟行政部門冷靜思考好好在對話同時我們也很樂見各黨都在各地有公民的宣講這都是好事就是讓社會也去討論關注這個事情這都好事所以終結來講我剛剛歸納了過去的表決的行使時間到巡打所花費的各黨的 |
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派出來的精銳好好來跟行政院再battle一次對於法案到底有沒有違憲到底有沒有摯愛男性好好的來發言的過去的發言的人數的安排跟時間的安排乃至於回到覆議案的本質這一次國會擴全法案的本質它的影響非常大 |
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不管對於行政立法的權利的行使甚至對於人民的權利義務的行使也都受到影響的前提下重大議案不要再有時間壓力然後為快而快我個人都認為review的機會就好好的來重新再來審視條文所以在這樣的前提下 |
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不會有人去杯葛讓他拖過15天自動失效不會所以don't worry所以我個人會認為現在的時間點如果說從今天是6月12號13號我們在協商那到我們deadline是20收到的時間是25號所以其實下週或下下週 |
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就是一個關鍵的時刻那我個人認為以我剛剛說的充分在討論在對話在審視的這個精神以及援引過去的執行慣例我認為下週五或是下下週二21跟25號都會是在那個時間裡頭然後可以踐行我剛剛期待的各黨在發言在討論的那個創造最大的對話空間的前提 |
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我是說對不起院長我沒有現在就時間上來做因為我認為那個是時間點等一下大家來討論我現在在處理一個大的立場跟態度的分析所以我認為因為剛剛有在野黨委員提到說就是17號18號 |
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我反而認為在15天以內反而後面的院會有18號的院會21號的院會25號的院會那同樣21跟25都是一個可行的選項我是在說明就沒有一定要18號的那個選項那覆議的目的是什麼Rediscussion國會擴全法案就是沒有discussion我們不能再一次沒有討論就要處理這是我的態度也很懇切的跟大家分享我的觀點 |
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主席 剛才講的重點是兩個 第一個希望能夠充分的討論 因為在發言人數這邊 第二個就是說他希望時間能夠延長一點 能夠大家更冷靜的面對 所以他的時間是在6月21號星期五 或者是6月25號星期二 這就是採現的 |
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報告我還是在說我沒有在我這一輪的發言去做出時間的建議我只是在說明說有三次院會都是可以選擇的時間那針對侯孟凱署議長剛剛所提的AB兩案就這18號跟明天是完全不可能謝謝院長讓我再說明明天的議程昨天的程序委員會都已經排好了所以明天不可能早上來就我們透過朝夕時間來變更這樣對於已經安排諮詢的委員 |
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不好意思 院長我們剛剛不是講過三個黨團大家輪嗎 |
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如果這個是規則我們就按照這個規則走吧請紅毛開水長等一下跳來跳去 |
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委員長那組織會議是在聽黃國昌指揮嗎?除了從來跳來跳去的?剛才等一下我把它講完好不好一開始的時候因為他們要談覆議案嘛我們提出來他們有意見所有他們有意見先講嘛所以他們然後忽然起黃國昌嘛然後我嘛然後現在又可以跳來跳去沒有沒有不是這樣他一直在講他一直在揮啦等一下你聽我講完好不好請說 |
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現在竟然可以跳下去 後來大家回應就是這樣嘛然後現在我們不敢舉手說對你沒有關係但你剛才先講過他講完 換他講 換我講我說我都還講完嘛 再來講嘛這個你說對你有利就要跳下去 |
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你就是在這個程序性問題在那邊亂打轉嘛我跟你講院長你只是主持會議你要定見我絕對公正OK那一開始是不是這樣這樣這樣來現在是以黨團為最重要的現在如果洪孟侃他現在二次發言黃國昌二次發言沒有關係我們一定要徵詢他嘛他們如果放棄發言就另外一回事那現在施要已經說完了剛才已經裁示過了嘛我知道你那裁示過了 |
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是要講嗎 換這個這裡面有一個小小的不太一樣你說第一輪到隨便第二輪 開始就隨便插啦等一下 你到底我沒有在急我沒有在急 你現在馬上給黃某來講不是 黨團為主好不好 好 來請馬上開始第一輪是 等一下 我要講清楚阿現在是第三輪 |
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你說第一輪以後就可以隨便擦了我們尊重不同的黨團沒問題罵到我馬上就是接受我罪他了啊黃昌也不要講話了你也不要來擦了啊黃昌罵到我的時候我馬上回應啊你不能回應啊這個遊戲規則OK啊滿賽啊也是可以啊 |
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如果黨團放棄的話沒有人會放棄 什麼都要放棄今天到目前沒有人在放棄啊今天這個議案 但以前有放棄的啊以前放棄 但如果有放棄我們就有的時候 沒關係 等一下以前是這樣 好 那你先講 我們在後面講大家可以想牛 想牛都沒關係啦這常常有對講 不是沒有對講 無期間行政要講到前奏 什麼叫人身攻擊 什麼叫言論自由 什麼叫不同意見好不好好 我們請孟愷署長 謝謝 請把麥克風切掉那等一下 黃國昌突然站在我前面啊 |
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你在黃董昭後面你剛才叫我不要再關照了院長我希望你公正出於意思好不好不是跟柯總昭無關院長看起來是很公正因為柯總昭我會回答我會回答不是你剛才本來說輪到我 |
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不是因為黨團要 國民黨團跟民主黨團要二次發言沒有啦 那你給我裝瘋了嘛 你話也都亂講啊剛剛是黃國昌在講話 他們兩個在吵架 我要試圖制止他們兩個 讓他繼續講下去什麼你整天跟我說什麼我就關掉 你說下一個輪到我講 啊現在一個爺爺照料 你就說什麼什麼又跳來跳去 啊你當我是什麼莊育雄幹事長你聽我說明好嗎不是嘛 你剛剛是不是講說吳世堯講話換我 本來是該輪到我講的咧他會講得起我就咧沒有原則啦 沒有原則啦 沒有亂掉 |
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這個所謂的原則黃國昌講到就沒有原則了黃國昌講到就沒有原則了什麼叫看到我的立場我在主席因為我當然要公平啊那你不是說輪到我嗎但是他其他黨團要發言我當然要讓他發言他第一次發言不然你就不要說他輪到我不然你不要指定我嘛你可以等一下啊不不不我告訴你你不要遇到他客氣到要靠夭壽遇到我我會記的我不吃你這一套啦你在說什麼什麼我在說什麼你也很愛演啦 |
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我也是第一次換人啊為什麼你死定我了你為什麼又繞過去嘛因為他黨團其他黨的提出發言我必須要尊重他們等他們發言完還是會回到你身上你也要跟他說阿專委員抱歉現在換黨團來你稍微這樣講我會舒服一點阿專委員抱歉現在換黨團什麼叫換黨團 |
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現在他們講幾次,現在我們一起來算第一個,傅昆吉總統講話 |
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對不對你什麼時候讓我講過話我沒有啊你們三個人不要急嘛林世民也沒講話啊是你點名要等一下接下來是我講欸你不要叫我你不要點名我沒意見啊請你等一下有錯誤嗎黃國昌講兩次啦什麼什麼我這個叫吼你這個才叫吼啦 |
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你這個才叫喉啦我也可以挑戰你啊你是立委我是立委啊你只能選出來你叫做院長而已啊那你繼續喊吧什麼叫做我繼續喊你這什麼態度啊我是院長我朝野協商那你繼續喊啊你也可以繼續喊啊我挑戰你剛好而已啦你喊再大聲一點你也可以大聲一點啊你為什麼制止我講話誰制止你講話啦你剛剛才是輪到我為什麼你又跳過去開什麼桌子你 |
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我已經說過等一下會回到你們自己什麼叫做你已經說了是你指揮的但你不要猜是我講你不要猜是我講我都講過兩次了我終於知道你為什麼血壓會高了因為你太不講道理了什麼叫我不講道理 |
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等一下我回到民進黨黨團身上你就可以發言阿院長你還是有固定的邮寄規則阿你如果不要只剛剛才是說輪到我我不會有意見不要戴帽子我耍什麼權威了從頭到尾那你為什麼該你點名說施亞文輪到我的時候你刻意跳過去給別人這是什麼意思王國昌總統講得非常清楚每一個黨團平均發言我們剛剛講王國昌講話是聖職阿 |
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國民黨黨發言委員 |
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是我就 你還沒搞清楚嘛你不要裁示我你跳別人我沒意見嘛這你本來就是你院長在草野協商在主持嘛你就說我耍你給我跳過去你不然你也給我按捺一下是不是這樣說我也沒說過別說你運動因為你硬啦要跟你尊重就跟你尊重嘛一定會尊重你嘛可是你幹嘛給我耍這個呢我在耍什麼呢你不是裁示過你裁示說接下來輪到我我已經等多久了 |
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蔡英雄天地良心什麼天地良心啊我只是會議我盡可能公平你還在雞蛋裡挑鋼筋不是挑骨頭啊什麼叫我挑鋼筋你如果不才是是我的話啊 |
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好,我們準備開會,我會再宣布一次好,各位黨團幹部請坐,我們準備開會大家抓緊時間,謝謝各位黨團幹部都在這裡,讓我,容許我再宣布一次等吳思堯幹部長通完電話我就講 |
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不用,我們時間到了我跟各位黨團幹部再一次報告因為我們只有三個黨團這個發言次序上很容易就運作了就A、B、C三大塊以後還是以黨團為主那如果黨團個別成員放棄發言,沒有關係,那就視同放棄但是黨團輪流,我再重申一遍以黨團為主 |
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以黨團為主那如果以黨團為主就不會出大亂子也不會有個人的情緒等等那接下來我們請國民黨團侯孟楷書記長二次發言我真的不太懂等一下喔 |
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這個有意規則怪怪的,我們坐下來對不對,因為在黨有意見嘛,我先講嘛,我們回答嘛接下去也應該是這樣嘛,照準嘛,可是我們有意見的話明天我講啦,讓大家平心靜靜講啦 |
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這個遊戲規則就是說戰爭會議你再算一算我們就數羊數羊一二三四五算第一次是副總召發言一次第二次是洪某改水平兩次第三次是黃國昌發言他再發言二二黃國昌為什麼可以發言一次 |
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吳春城不講話嗎沒有他不講話沒有那還有一個沒有來他也可以發言不講話就放棄嘛他還可以講話那還有一個沒有來他也可以講話我是講總良心話啦院長我是講良心話啦 |
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所以沒有所謂吳征怎麼不講話他可以講話我上次不是說那我直接換一個人進來你說這樣可以嗎因為我還有一個沒有來沒有來可以講話嗎沒有來就放棄沒有講話就放棄嘛你們三個都講話在場五個都講話我們一見講完話我們三個再講話這個就是這樣嘛 |
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我們不是不講話我們請書記長講對啊沒有關係你就放棄了嘛阿伊佛根本放棄嘛那你現在洪某凱就不能講話囉不是洪某凱照你這個邏輯洪某凱就不能二次發言啦因為李世民還沒講話可以講話可以講話可以了嘛不是講可以講話等下我們等一下我們剛才講得很清楚嘛就是說 |
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我們在野黨五個都講話我都沒有意見換我們三個講話你們不會有意見好 余思榮不講那就代表他不講他有人代表講就好對 那吳征榮不講也是他講他講他就放棄了那我們這邊三個都要講啊因為你們講完黨團你們第三輪的時候可以講你們三個都可以講我沒有意見啊你們一次五個人講完換我們三個人講這是遊戲規則啊 |
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然後為什麼突然出現可以改去黃國昌可以加兩次黃國昌可以加兩次對不對 要抄在前面因為他講到柯總総我只問你 侯孟楷可不可以二次發言可以那黃國昌為什麼不能二次發言等一下吳 吳思堯可不可以二次發言那可以啊 那就對了嘛那我們第一次發言先講完那再來二輪啊不是說黨團輪流過來嗎第一次講完再來二輪嘛當然是這樣啦現在進入第二輪了沒有 現在第一輪都還沒有講完他還沒講的啊 |
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所以你們等下可以跟莊瑞雄啊沒有啊你們三個都要講我沒有意見你們兩個講都講我都沒意見我們三個都講大家可以講啦你講三次就夠了嗎柯總召現在是國民黨團國民黨團第三次發言嗎沒有沒有沒有等一下 |
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一開始進來 國民黨團...我先算給你聽 因為你們民進黨團是第三位順位發言你也先告訴我 他突然把他剝奪掉沒有剝奪他這個意見就是這樣啊 突然不能講啊30秒鐘 你先把麥克風關起來好不好你麥克風都沒有關 你再換我麥克風 |
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因為現在已經唱名侯孟凱書記了你不要這樣講我們都是協商的 直播的沒有關係是講道理啊 你可以叫我安排我們要侯孟凱書記長 二層我有意見章岳雄剛才唱的是說 |
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投資人他就要不說了帝雲 我說你要說帝雲 你們五個都說帝雲也沒意見那我能說嗎這造成你現在講到關鍵的時候要趕快叫黃孟茄出來來爭辯嘛這一起回答沒有關係 都有機會你五個都說了 我三個都說了你不說不說是你的事你不可以說你兩個人說我們才兩個人說是你兩個人說的問題嘛有這種不講的問題嘛 |
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現在是國民黨團發言每一個黨團都可以發言黨團要派誰是我們的事情 |
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所以才不會出錯案子我們誰講話還要經過你同意喔我沒有你同意我們黨團要派誰要經過你同意喔你們三個都講話我沒有意見阿對啊那你沒有意見就閉嘴就好啦我什麼閉嘴我們三個都要講阿 |
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我沒有說你三個不能講阿等到你們民進黨團發言的時候你們就可以講阿我們國民黨團現在紅木海講話不行嗎阿你為什麼說他不能講因為你們民進黨團第三個發言還沒有到阿你們都可以講我們現在是第三輪第一次現在已經第三輪了阿 |
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你講了四輪第一輪第一次傅坤祺第一輪第二次黃國昌第一輪第三次你柯建民再來第二輪第一次我洪孟凱第二輪第二次黃國昌第二輪第三次胡思堯所以現在繼續第三輪第一次你可以理解嗎思堯委員 |
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一輪就是那個黨團輪流說那我們現在已經進入到第三輪的第一次國民黨團不可能嘛我已經講了洪文凱發言了嘛你為什麼要這樣子勒 |
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等一下就馬上回到你民進黨團發言一三輪第三次會請民進黨團到時候民進黨團看是推判黃國昌社會發言不是陷阱 民進黨團是公平的民進黨團發言是公平的嘛所以他黨團發言為什麼第一輪沒有說國民黨會發言國民黨最麻煩的地方他連國民黨還沒說你還說第一輪你還說國民黨會發言你知名也沒講話他沒有起訴 |
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主席非常感謝您是非常公正的我們都看得出來第一輪是 |
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三個黨團輪流國民黨團先第二民眾黨團第三民進黨團第二輪也是讓國民黨團在民進黨民眾黨團在民進黨團那民進黨團第一輪的第一次是柯建民總召發言第二輪的第一次是吳斯堯委員發言所以等一下民進黨團有第三輪發言的時刻所以可以不要再插話了嗎 |
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5442.777 |
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副總長副總長我已經說明了我們現在是第三輪第一次國民黨的大會議那是不是可以不要再插話了好不好我覺得今天我們已經往前推進了不要再...我現在...您就是在我說話的時候您在插我的話 |
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5470.866 |
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我們現在不是你現在是大家在討論程序的問題我們沒有在討論程序的問題我在進入實質發言我們沒有在討論程序的問題我在進入實質發言剛剛主席已經裁示我來發言主席有意見嘛我們一開始就已經尊重你了喔沒關係柯總召你這樣子就是在插話柯總召全部人都看到您在插話我現在在講說沒關係你自己說莊仁雄不要罵丟包好不好就第三輪的時候不會 |
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5494.92 |
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我想黨團發言不是個人我們今天在這邊並不是因為我是洪孟楷我有發言機率其實自始至終從主席這個會期第一次開會的時候都講得非常明確我們今天來這邊是因為我們是幹部身份幹部有可能會換人 |
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5512.526 |
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所以當下一個會期我不是書記長的時候我就不會在朝野協商進入所以我想主席至始至終都非常的明確感謝主席再來我們今天提出很負責任的也提出了方案一跟方案二其實不管是方案一或是方案二都不是快轉 |
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5541.276 |
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我們當然也知道啊覆議案是行政院的權利行政院提出來覆議那立法院就要處理如果說大家講是說要這個要有這個充分討論時間那覆議案為什麼會有定時間15天裡面要處理完畢就代表是說對於國家重大政策我們當然要有一定時間內來去做處理而且這個是全國國人關注的重點媒體朋友也關心國人也關心到底我還有 |
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更重要的是覆議案處理完畢之後我們還有很多民生議題法案也要處理不要因此而耽擱很多民生議題法案也因此我們提出方案一並跟方案二並不是要所謂的快轉我們當然也希望充分討論所以這是為什麼我們自始至終都很明確要求行政院長要來說明並且備詢 |
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5562.091 |
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5583.162 |
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如果說在方案一上午全院委員會下午來院會表決可能有黨團有意見但是我必須再重新聲明這過去13次的覆議案裡面也曾經有過上午是全院委員會下午直接院會表決的所以這並不是我們首開先例以前就有過但我們也提出方案二 |
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5583.982 |
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5608.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
一整天下個禮拜一6月17號一整天來做全院委員會請行政院長從早上9點來說明之後我們備詢那下面的這個政黨代表我們當然就可以依比例來推派之如果說一個人假設10分鐘或是像之前專案報告院長有15分鐘的一個備詢時間的話我們推算過也許我們總數可以抓到 |
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5609.643 |
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5618.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
16至18位政黨代表平均分配882或772人數6月18日上午院會表決以現在的投票效率和院長副院長的投票狀況 |
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在半個小時內其實大家如果說都到的話就可以投完票但我們預計比較寬鬆所以我們抓兩個小時但是我們希望今天協商能夠有個但書就是如果說大家都已經領票了除了院長不參與投票以外其餘院長也參與投票那如果說113位委員都投票完畢之後我們就可以先來做這個開票那就不用說拉那麼久時間那下午 |
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| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
新政院長繼續來做總諮詢2點半繼續來做總諮詢因為很多委員的這個總諮詢其實也都已經排出那再者是我知道說我們非常多的委員真的還是希望能針對新任的隔魁還不到一個月的時間能夠來做後續的一個諮詢所以我們提出來這樣的一個方案我想也是符合大家剛剛所講的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
吳斯堯幹事長剛有提到不管是這個地政事法那時候是從提出來到覆議完整是7天的時間那我們也說如果以採取方案2的話6月11號提出來的覆議到6月18號處理完畢是8天的時間所以其實並沒有比較快跟地政事法來相比或說跟其他過去的覆議案來相比的話其實 |
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5732.724 |
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方案二6月17禮拜一全院委員會6月18院會表決並沒有比較快反而它會落在一個非常平均的8天左右的時間我想也符合社會大眾的期待也符合我們的議事規則那更重要也希望是讓國人看到就是各黨團對於覆議案的態度以及我們能夠後續進行總諮詢以及各重大民生法案的後續推動以上謝謝 |
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5733.484 |
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5733.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
民眾黨黨團請發言 |
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謝謝院長其實今天一開始的時候發言的規則我有請示過院長那我的記憶應該是不會錯啦就很清楚的講就三個黨團輪流嘛那這樣子院長也不用在那邊搞得很累啊誰有舉手誰沒舉手誰先誰後 |
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那既然這是個黨團協商就是以黨團當作代表每一個黨團派一個代表在他輪到的輪次的時候進行發言那這樣子的整個程序進行就會很順暢那不會有 |
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莫名其妙根本沒有輪到他發言的時候自己按著麥克風不斷的在發言這樣的情況發生嘛因為其實剛剛發生這樣子狀況的時候院長也可以看得出來我們很克制啊沒有搶著按著麥克風要講話那這裡是黨團協商那就各個黨團把各個黨團按照今天的意識所要處理的事項大家把自己的立場跟意見表達完整就好了嘛 |
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沒有必要在別人要發言的時候自己按著麥克風在那邊干擾人家的發言這個恐怕也不是黨團協商的本質跟應該遵守的紀律跟規則這個是第一個就程序上面的事項所以剛剛院長完全按照黨團來輪流 |
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至於各個黨團要派誰當作代表其他的黨團當然都尊重也不會說三道四的去指責說其他的黨團為什麼誰講話誰不講話每一個黨團要派誰講話這本來就是每一個黨團自己要決定的事情第二個事情是說對於在處理的時間上下個禮拜一整天開全院委員會那你看時間上面有多少 |
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那各個政黨彼此之間的代表的人數到底要怎麼派我們基本上沒有什麼太強烈的意見公平就好了公平就好了所以17號進行全院委員會18號來進行投票的這件事情我們是表示支持的 |
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那第三個重點是說那竟然今天各個黨團大家也都有共事嘛不會有在站主席臺或是干擾議事行為這樣子的事情發生的話那我會建議啦就避免大家搞得很疲憊還要提前一天去排隊等等避免擔心議事沒有辦法順利的進行那是不是可以考慮說如果今天就日期跟時間大家能夠達成共事的話 |
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把不干擾議事的進行不要去佔領主席臺這樣的事情我們也能夠白紙黑字的把它寫在黨團協商的結論上面那這樣子也可以確保接下來議事進行的順暢以及以上兩點意見 謝謝 |
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國商總召的意思就是說6月17號院長來到院說明完6月18號上午來表決出席大家各黨團派的代表772原則上你沒有太大的意見接下來請民進黨黨團請莊委員 |
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委員長,很抱歉,我們節目這麼久,大家對我說第一次我要提一個很重要的本來我們是上個禮拜五停止搜案,程序委員會剛好碰到端午節,所以說這個在昨天這樣的一個增列其實程序上怪怪的 |
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這個其實你要再整列 停止收案你要再整列連這個都要朝野協商 |
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這個院長我提出了這個是很重要一點的那另外第二個就是我倒會覺得朝野協商啊院長你也不要去期待說大家都很紳士啦吵來吵去都很正常啦本來就很正常讓大家多一點講話的一個時間也不是壞事因為你把它算一算大家講的很多到最後都會有很多情緒的一個話 |
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所以我剛才在等,我也很久像這樣,剛才和你一樣,那一句但是重點就是說,為什麼會產生這種狀況?因為我尊重你是主席啊,你的才事,才事我就當真,重點是因為這個原因 |
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否則他們在講話的時候﹐所有的對面在講話的時候﹐動不動就批評柯總召的時候﹐什麼人身攻擊 都咕嗅鼻沒味 都差不多啦 曹偉鑫讓大家講的話都差不多啦大家本來情緒就是一大堆啦 但是我倒是這樣建議啦 以說在整個這個國會改革的一個法案裡面 |
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藍白有他自己的看法共同去做一些版本的一個提出我們都尊重可是在整個覆議案裏面我也在這裏面也不一定大家都笑和笑既然大家覺得很重要的話 |
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我倒認為也不用這麼急啦我倒認為不用這麼急你像比如說我們從幾個從過去大家提到的不管是地政室、會計法還有農會法還有319到公民投票、復議到財政收支劃分法有七天的 |
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有兩天的但是你去看農委法又是13天的財政收支劃分法你在2022年那一次我相信各個黨團都很清楚又是13天的所以我倒反而會覺得說報告完了以後你說人數的部分與其大家在批評說這一次的一個審議的過程裡面大家討論的 |
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時間比較少那是不是在這一次再做充分的一個討論我是做這樣的一個建議對整個立法院來講的話也是好事藍跟白多數嘛 |
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那你們說這個是你們想要的一個法案倒就要遵照整個民主的一個程序來嘛這個行政院卓院長他去按照整個憲政的一個程序來提出覆議這也很合理這也不要有過多政治攻防我們都尊重可以有不同的一個解讀但是不是我苦口婆心的講說這一次我們立法院其實是重傷你說國會改革 |
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南白認為是國會改革可是民進黨我們就認為說這個過程裏面是不是我們操之過急那外界的看法又是如何你像比如說國民黨他們也認為說在臺南賴清德總統的本命區他們也甚至於那個地方要去辦大型的一個演講民進黨也認為說那也該讓民眾去知道所以各黨之間各有他的一個看法在 |
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那是不是我們立法院在這個地方既然卓院長要來這邊來這個覆議案裡面他要來做報告那有沒有可能說大家今天再討論一下這個過程比較讓外界去批評 |
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說我們討論的這個程序在進行的黑箱也好或者說出條的部分都已經省略掉了那在這次覆議案裡面大家讓更充分來一個討論不用急著像國民黨剛提出來說我們大家就那天報告完以後一天就把它解決掉我的在這個地方來做這樣的一個建議好不好 |
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謝謝總統選委員的發言您的重點大概是兩個第一個就是說時間可以往後推一點點第二個發言人數稍微更紮實更多元一點所以說772你希望再放大 |
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改為11.11.2類似像這樣的意思經過充分的討論了解但是國民黨團提的不是當天就表決是第二天早上表決這個是有一點不太一樣接下來國民黨團有沒有寶貴意見馬上就你了這過來就是你了一黨團為之我們要講一下喔到目前為止我講一次而已喔紅毛黨講三次喔你講兩次你要講第三次 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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我第二輪都還沒講你沒講你現在講第三輪他講第三輪他也講三輪了院長你不如呼喊他們啦他們所有辯論的都不構成理由啦而且下去下去亂講一通 |
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主席主席主席 |
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我現在已經推進到在討論什麼時辰 |
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那當然剛剛國民黨已經提出因為這個是全國國人矚目甚至國企也在矚目那是不是明天院會我們直接這個全院委員會直接來質詢331也可以就趕快講完之後下午下午就可以來做一個投票 |
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當然還有方案二是17號跟18號那現在執政黨有意見那也沒關係我們方案一方案一就先保留沒有關係啦方案二的部分應該是比較恰當方案二的話就是6月17號我們 |
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從早上到下午一整天一整天也不影響到二五院會的施政總質詢的時間也都沒有影響到如果我們禮拜一來開全面委員會的話從早上到下午以過去慣例15分鐘來看的話 |
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十分鐘也可以都沒有關係如果十分鐘的話這樣子的話早上九點鐘到十二點有三個小時下午兩點半到五點半也有三個小時有六個小時六個小時如果是十分鐘的話十分鐘的話那就是有十一十一二十一十一二 |
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對對對我先把我的意見表達一下那這樣6個小時大概一個小時大概6位吧5到6位吧所以大概可以到有30位或是30到36位的的質詢30到36位的質詢含休息的話那大概30位是應該可以成行的那如果11 12的話至少在這個時間範圍內都還可以 |
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現在應該確定兩個事情第一個就是時間上什麼時候可以確定到底哪一天開全院委員會哪一天來做議決 |
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現在既然執政黨對明天來處理有意見是不是我們就折衷一下我們下禮拜一6月17號我們有一整天的全院委員會來做詢答等等當然還有中間院長可能有先報告20分鐘 |
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主席 |
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主席副總長接下來請民眾黨黨團有沒有意見?有意見請你稍等,沒關係,下面就是你的什麼黨團?黨團我講了一次而已 |
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黃國昌總請發言 |
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我想又繞回一開始我們在講那個基本上面會議規則的事情以黨團為代表跟以人為代表這個概念的區分其實沒有很複雜我想大家應該都可以很容易的理解沒有必要在這種地方上面爭執 |
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甚至為了發洩個人的情緒隨便按麥克風在那邊質疑的指責用黨團當作代表是什麼概念我想真的一點都不難理解第二個針對剛剛院長所在槌尋的事項 |
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就是七七二也好十一十一二也好我們基本上都可以接受那雖然十一十一二當然某個程度上面我們可以發言的時間有需要一些壓縮但我們都尊重我也不會刻意去爭執這樣的事情七七二十一十一二都可以那只不過說我們即使把它放大到十一十一二即使把它放大到十一十一二 |
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我們既然有準備要花一天的時間來進行全院委員會的話那每位委員發言的時間可能再拜託院長請議事人員精算一下是不是有可能到15分鐘還是必須要維持10分鐘因為我必須幫台灣民眾黨黨團講的話就是我們如果只有兩個人的話 |
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那等於是大概只有一個人10分鐘的時間來予發言但我必須要再強調我們不強求時間上面允許的話我覺得一個人15分鐘那如果真的會太趕一個人10分鐘我們也會接受 也可以接受那第三個事情是說因為覆議案基本上面的處理是針對行政院他所提出的覆議理由 |
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來進行權惡委員會的說明跟詢答那行政院的覆議理由其實已經提出來了那它的內容也不複雜因為行政院所提出來的覆議理由我想大概正常的人閱讀大概半個小時就看完了那既然這個法案行政院也準備好了覆議理由因為我相信 |
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行政院一定是經過他們的深思熟慮那匯集了整個行政團隊的專家精煉出這個覆議的理由那這個覆議理由也都提出來那我相信各個黨團各個委員大家也都看過所以我覺得在準備的時間上面下個禮拜一 |
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來加以處理我覺得是非常充足非常充足的一個事件那這個以上是我們的的想法 謝謝謝謝民眾黨員 接下來我們請民進黨黨團我現在先表示一下剛剛黃國昌已經講了四次黨團他是超級黨團是吧我講才我現在還可以講第二次剛才 |
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章英雄委員在抗議就說明明你就講好我講完會議是要講反章英雄講你就把他跳過去跳給黃沐凱你再操作這個就是說他現在不是要講理由裡面吃到國民黨的你要趕快叫黃國昌回答 |
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這兩條我們來回答這個明眼人一看就很清楚院長我還是要講這樣的話第二個就是說我們剛剛講說一黨團那就從不用黨團嘛對不對就不會有跳來跳去一下黨團一下個人跳來跳去這遊戲規則要清楚中間我會插話說我和 |
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我要講的分析也生氣把我插到大家這難免一定是彼此攻防那黃國昌講的不對我就跟他說等一下所謂的這個快去法是怎麼樣請他不要走,請黃國昌不要走好,我們現在來講這個我一個一個講我請問周恩來秘書長 |
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假如說我們程序委員會受案的時間過去了因為我們昨天11號禮拜一才來到立法院程序委員會就沒有開嘛禮拜四又沒有開所以昨天禮拜三開了程序委員會那超過時間受案的這個是不是要超回協商我請問你認真回答這一題 |
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在程旭委員律我們有收件的時間所以我們那個議事處不可能跟他排這個案在 |
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昨天沒有排案所以我當時也跟議事處說明不能提案至於當天在開會到底要不要處理這不是我們議事處裡面所能夠置會的這個我講得很清楚所以在當天早上來我特別交代已經過那個時間了不能 議事處不能介入到裡面去所以我想當天我有跟處長特別說明過 |
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就是變成你們當天的程序會要怎麼去決定不是我們幕僚所能夠介入的這是我特別要說明的文明長你講得很正確 |
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歷來都是如此,超過時間要列案的一定要朝朝相同意才可列進去那昨天在吳宗憲主持的時候我們有抗議抗議說這不行,要朝朝相,朝朝相不管這個我...這個...這個有...程序不正義啊何來你現在很奇怪喔我要說什麼 |
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有啊審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講審發會有講 |
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那第一點這既然這樣的話你們第一案子說禮拜五早上就來執行校這案子覆議以後還沒列報告事項呢你怎麼去可能處理啊 |
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怎麼有你這個遊戲規則難道不懂嗎現在連任務報告事項都還沒了你禮拜五就要開始執行你任務報告事項以後都哪一天執行哪一天投票這個要程序性的問題禮拜五還沒任務報告事項而且況且那個是違法處理的事情都有問題了這個是 |
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獨處獨合理論．．就有問題．．你會拜國．．也沒有報告時間就要來執行．．你晚上來也不會答應你這個事情．．這個當然坦白講．．你現在就是要開快車．．開快車就是那時候禮拜一．．禮拜一來執行．．禮拜二來．． |
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來投票這個就是就是你們知道的未濟民意嘛你自己出來要撒謊說幾百年了我現在當然講得很清楚這個你來重新解釋這個覆議案都是有一個讓社會去冷靜讓你回來冷靜讓社會來看這個事情所以討論這才是民主啦才會有覆議當年是六月六月五號 |
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2月6號提進來,2020年2月6號提進來,2月19號第七十三天才投票你來我不是要講很多例子,都是這個時間是一個很長的時間,院長請你喔你仔細聽一下感謝感謝,非常感謝我我有在看你的眼睛不好意思不好意思喔我可以講這齁,就是 |
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覆議案不是像問題委員所講的這個什麼這個國會自主啊這個不尊重立法院啊 |
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另外我要講的就是黃國昌也跑掉了所謂朝野協商我不會做人身攻擊但是朝野商有不同的意見不是人身攻擊我講說你這個沒有基本常識超過黃國昌都答應你這個什麼是人身攻擊這個是不同意見啦朝野商是可以大家講話你會限制人身的自由只能講說這個是這樣不能認輸嗎這個黃國昌根本 |
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他現在跑掉,他不敢面對,我每次要跟他職的隊員說,一定百分之百會放棄反正我常常請回來吧,反正這樣,回來啦,不能選啦,拜託啦,叫誰比較好這是MNC喔?我講的是大道理啦,你們要拍手啦 |
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這是言論自由這是朝委在認證的時候我要假說與說我可以講這個你也可以講那個都沒有關係都是在爭辯雲湖最可貴就是在爭辯因為黃國昌常常講我們來辯論昨天還講說我們到電視辯論我說你們委員會都不審查了什麼都破壞了現在講說早在來電視辯論每個人說話好笑 不能這樣那實在是害羞害羞 要想大事好 |
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委員長稍微忍受 因為我要終於回答 因為這個援軍非常關鍵的 大家要對焦的時候第一個 超越協商不同意見的展示 也就是工房 這是民主政治ABC沒有所謂人身攻擊 假如我罵你 問你說你是什麼 那直接這個人身攻擊就不對像我問你說我是抓好頭要去養老院 那個才是人身攻擊好不好 |
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但是反而不輕你罵錯了會反彈到你身上對他不好這社會只有公平論端 |
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要把這個先確定今天我們才講說我們今天有時間我們都要7月16號對不對請問大家這個時間大家都訂出來我怎麼不知道當初又想到覆議案的時間其實昨晚來韓院長也考慮到這個覆議案的時間所以總共有14次的宴會 |
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那駕鋼宴會總之請我們還沒講完你們大家都講完只有10次換言之還保留40空的時間我們已經用掉一次原住民進化補償要一次還有3次其實不只3次可能4到5次因為民進黨會把總之時間減半 |
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這會增加時間所以這個時間 絕對沒有問題即便我們不檢辦 時間都已經有問題因為只是 一日覆議嘛 一日投票而已就是這樣而已啊其實這個都不影響 不要再 紅目的肚子又給我生了這影響到民生法案 完全不影響民生法案 |
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完全沒有因為它只是兩次的時間而已我們還空了現在還空了用到一次還有三次我們院長在檢辦的時候有五次的時間民政法案一點也沒影響而且大家都知道這個遲早有覆議所以當初院長做這樣強弱的安排我當初都覺得這個都想過很多很周圍的想法這一點我是必須必須在這裡說做完以後想就想做好 |
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接下來我們談就是說快計法快計法不是什麼貪污的貪污犯處罪那時候顏英標在鬼醫裁法請看那時候最嚴重的問題是什麼大學教授有的都是真的掛很多計法 |
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用很多計畫報復消費的問題造成所有的人包括大學校長也有副校長大家人人事業全部用貪污之類的條例處罪罰所以這個會議應該來講讓教授教我們讓文職協同社會重新來 |
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我在2015回去新湖選舉的時候出一本大局承擔那時候柯恩哲幫我寫戲就各黨黨主席幫我寫戲他怎麼講歷史中有防我清白當初是為了這些大學教授的問題後來就要懷疑刑警只有統一解釋才出這話因為好像市民一直要抓這些大學教授 |
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大家有的憂鬱症也要跳樓全國所有的行事界奉贈賀禮就是為了檢討這個東西演藝音標一直在開我們老教育管理 |
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原來沒有關的話不會處理這個事宜經過是這樣的所以那時候我才第一次聽到有一個叫黃國昌的名字出來打我什麼病逝協商以後立法院不能病逝協商以後要 |
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要來辯論 都是不要協商 直接辯論他發展出這個理論 今天我們不是在這裡協商嗎 而且直播的這是2016年的時候民進黨黨團改直播的我相信你那時候已經進人意外了所以我告訴你 不能每個人都各當猜測只要說起你的作秀 不能說歌而已嘛這個全國人民看得很清楚啊 你想每個人看得很清楚 |
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在這裏我再告訴你你會看柯文哲幫我寫一句歷史中的方向那時候楊瓣石一大隊前一國修大學教授一堆對外解套那個事情所以那時候覆議的時候各黨一人發言 |
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施文昌去看馬英九就是這樣的我們的目的是那個那時候王一彬林彥總主席協商我們黨團是最後一個簽名的那臺聯的林世嘉因為有慢職只能掛四餘多的計畫那怎麼解套所以柯文哲那時候被調下去找去只有十萬塊而已他說那些東西他找不到就是貪汙找的當然都是文書因為害怕那些 |
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來用在研究上的錢來用10萬塊去買電腦但是這已經漏五了還要幾張桌子他跟我們講叫他去找他去的時候他跟我們講說你如果沒錢沒錢就變糖果錢就變偉大文書是後來全部主席都要清楚 |
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2013年5月31號那天將近12點的時候過去法是這樣的通過我第一個打給誰?打給柯文哲請問你去問你黨主席你不要再來抹黑這一套的 |
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我們在講這個時間的問題啦大家明眼人都看清楚 看得到嘛我們就是要趕快稍微拖延嘛 啊你們主席有沒有辦法打中你們做現在委員黨主席的意思就是要社會去溝通 冷靜來看待我們給立法院冷靜的時間 |
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所以你們的意思我看得很清楚想問拜會就結條嘛那中午沒有做程序現在改下禮拜到第二風案那一天裡面把它結束掉這個都不對的我認為都不對 |
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橫竖只有兩間要讓大家多多討論你剛才說是不是可以十幾個人來討論來參加討論時間讓人數多一點我在這裏做積極建議啦25號以前啊處理就可以啦我們來請問委員會多開幾次都沒有關係就給很多人去問這個沒有違法啦這是朝野鄉同意就可以 |
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大家要問都可以問 問一百也沒關係在結論20號以前一定要投票 也附在這裏我剛才講說民進黨會占領主義台會破壞 大家不要排隊 |
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沒有好事 都叫我們大家去參考相關結論這是開玩笑嘛 已經講得很清楚了民進黨不可能去破壞這個東西你剛才不是講說大家要參考相關結論要簽這個不要排隊 不要佔領主義台 免得大家排隊等等這個是污衊自己 |
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今天要表決是表決我們是認為覆議案有可能我們會成功當然我們盡量說服沒有成功我們就釋憲所以不存在所謂洪文凱常常講頂到位民進黨不要再贊成主義黨這些洪文凱甚至剛才講說要先朝野黨簽名不贊成主義黨這個你們自己去簽就好了 |
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站主力臺這次到現在就是你們站你們站了10天你都忘記了你排隊都是你們排隊的這個很清楚所以我記一談話司馬昭之心不是日本爵士全國爵士啦你們在這裡發言全部是螃蟹魚漆啦全部傳統好的來的院長你也不要去跟他牽著鼻子走你要後來歷史高的一個中立角色 |
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我們黨團繼續主張我是覺得你們這個都我們沒有辦法接受你們要趕快把它處理掉所以一個執行另外一個上午交代總執行總之你沒有影響到絕對不會影響到總之你放心你們的意見就趕快蓋牌嘛讓外面不要討厭嘛正邏輯就是什麼就是棄兵繳兒逃 |
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未戰先敗你們不肯面對民意嘛黃中昌你不是說要在電視去辯論你們人在這裡發言就不敢政府從說法就欺負人家的頭未戰先敗的說法然後自己在卑躬誰贏我的講話就是如此那自己的建議 |
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到25號以前,你現在要排,禮拜五的FA報告事項,執行人還是要朝野生同意因為你前面哪一個都沒有同意,這個我們都可以來談但是沒有所謂的快速打包起來,談就開,我有事 |
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7767.168 |
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7783.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
我就覺得大家都說要好好談你剛才還說6個20個都可以協議委員會都排幾次最晚到24號以前要投票即便不用的話也要多時間再來談 |
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7784.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7803.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
不可能是25號當天不能超過24號也可以當年就是這樣才有覆議案就在前天第13天完成其實第15號也可以我們不必弄這麼近大家跟他說去說服你的選民你講你的理念你講說為什麼這個沒有違憲沒有關係你這句說分析就好說分析說這絕對沒違憲我也不是大好官 |
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7814.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
7816.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
違憲與否就請大法關於事宜．．．．．． |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
7833.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7847.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
你適合投票嗎?你適合不要說阿在這幹嗎?你前面有人開三四三五,我都,你從頭贊成好好的讓老百姓講,知道各黨的理念是什麼因為很有把握去說服 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
7848.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7867.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
你們有青鳥你們有藍鳥你們有什麼藍鳥我們自己來說服就好了我們自己來做一宗理論戰讓所有全國老百姓都會看到這個是一個民主交易非常重要的一刻讓大家去看民意在什麼地方這樣是對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
7871.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7877.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
正式面對嘛你很有把握我們沒有違憲沒有關係你們去講我怎麼說違憲啊你怎麼說違憲我們可以說你講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
7883.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7904.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
大家以後就是當大法官這個時間這個例子刻意交給大法官但是請勇敢講出來你們沒有違憲理由好好去多講幾次讓所有你們的支持者能夠幸福事業影響到我們的支持者支持你也沒有關係民意決定一切最後投票大家對例子負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
7907.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
7927.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
謝謝柯建民總長您的意思是說那個全院委員會多開一點時間那我現在容納三黨我了解我現在嘗試性做一個結論那大家如果覺得不妥可以修正決定事項只有兩點第一點各黨團同意在6月19號星期三以及 |
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7928.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7952.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
科建民主黨講的我們再加一天20號星期四召開全院委員會審查行政院所提對立法院職權行使法部分條文以及中華民國憲法增訂第5章之1章名及第141條之1條文之覆議案審查時邀請行政院院長列席說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
7953.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7959.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
各自分別由國民黨團推派11位民進黨團推派11位臺灣民眾黨團推派2位每位委員尋答時間為10分鐘尋答的順序依例授權議事處辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
7973.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7994.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
名單我們就於6月18號星期二上午中午12點以前交議事處彙整預期勢同放棄這是第一個重點結論大家看一看要不要修正第二上述覆議案於6月21號星期五上午報告事項處理完畢進行記名投票表決兩案分別為兩張票 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
8000.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8023.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
同時投票．並由各黨團推派一人．擔任投開票監察員．其餘相關投票事務工作．依例授權議事處辦理．當日會議．不進行施政方針報告諮詢這兩點我們就把時間．綜合大家我們做的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
8024.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
8029.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
融合大家的意見融會貫通就是兩點第一個重複很簡單6月19號6月20號我們召開全員聯議會第二6月21號投票請問各位黨團的好 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
8040.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8041.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
蔡偉強都是院長先簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
8071.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
8071.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
請國民黨團及民眾黨團仔細看 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
8094.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
8096.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
所以加開兩天嗎?四部違憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
8122.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8122.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
請這裡留一塊給市民簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
8151.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
8172.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
請在他們上面那個今天下午趙鋼琳是你表妹主持趙鋼琳請假 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
8181.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
8184.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
欸 那個 那個國昌 你們簽了嗎 你們簽了嗎齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
8222.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8230.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
這個結論沒有問題我們同意我只有一個技術性的問題我們在開全院委員會的時候其他的委員會是繼續進行還是會停開這個先講清楚比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8249.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
因為這一個狀況在以前一般全院委員審查委員是不開的但是我知道現在這兩屆裡面是有委員會也在開有這個例在以前是比較嚴謹但我知道這兩屆是不是到官員 到議事規則是 |
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8257.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8269.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
你知道周律師長的書是停開的啦有的不守規文證但是我們民進黨從來不會破壞規矩的有親友們都停開了我們可以去排啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8279.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
很感謝大家能夠有一個非常好的結論 |