| IVOD_ID |
16008 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16008 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-13T08:30:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-13T12:27:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:57:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea507799957011912f6425655b8120616f19186e52af124432364f4920e3baf27c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第24次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會、內政部、文化部、客家委員會就「都會區原住民族、客家族群、新住民權益保障措施與精進方案」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、邀請原住民族委員會、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會就「賴清德總統原住民族政見推動規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。三、邀請行政院、原住民族委員會、行政院主計總處、財政部就「114年度原住民族委員會預算籌編情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:00 - 12:27:00 |
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二、邀請原住民族委員會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會 |
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好,請主任秘書報告今天出席人數報告委員會出席委員11人,已足法定人數我們現在開會進行報告事項,請宣讀上次的會議議事錄立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議議事錄 |
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時間113年6月12日新義山上午9時8分至下午4時39分地點本院紅樓202會議室出席委員、外委員郁真等13人、列席委員林委員、楚英等15人、請假委員丁委員、薛忠 |
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主席高金召集委員素梅報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定討論事項一、繼續審查委員羅美英等22人擬據新住民權益保障法草案案第二案之第五案繼續審查臺灣民眾黨黨團委員張志倫等18人國民黨黨團委員蘇巧慧等26人擬據新住民 |
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基本法草案案、第六審查委員汪明慧等19人理據新住民權益保障法草案案、第七審查委員邱振俊等27人理據新住民基本草案案、決議第五條、第六條、第八條、第十條、委員羅美玲等22人提案第六條、委員蘇喬惠等26人提案第十條、 |
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委員王美惠等19人提案第9條、委員邱振均等27人提案第4條及委員王美惠等4人、委員徐欣盈等3人、委員牛詢欣等6人、委員王美惠等4人及委員黃潔等3人所提修正動議均予以保留。 |
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徵定第六條之一,照委員羅美玲等22人提案第四條通過徵定第六條之二,請委員參閱第七條修正通過第九條修正通過徵定第九條之一,請委員參閱第十一條修正通過徵定第十一條之一,請委員參閱 |
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第12條修正通過第13條修正通過第14條修正通過第15條修正通過第16條照臺灣民眾黨黨團國民黨黨團提案委員張志倫的18人提案第16條委員蘇喬惠的26人提案第19條及委員邱振俊的27人提案第17條通過第10條修正通過 |
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審查通過之條文、條字、引述條文之文字及相關法事用語,授權主席及議事人員整理,並按審查完略,以據審查報告提報院委討論,據交友黨團協商,並推請高金召集委員素梅與院委討論時作補充說明,並通過附帶決議兩項。」 |
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其他事項,主席宣告,依本次會議審查通過之條文,保留之條文,請內政部及相關主管機關必須就行政院版本草案全面檢視,以立本法案審黨團協商之順利進行。第二起,行政院於6月21日前將相關草案函請本院審議。本席,高中召集委員素梅將於院會交付進付二讀後,並按協商散會。宣錄完畢。 |
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請問各位同仁,上一次的會議議事錄有沒有錯誤?是。好,您說。好,請。都可以看一下。這樣講就可以嗎?好。我想確認一下那個病案寫實的第二點,病案的那個病份是也會用行政院版本的名義是一個版本? |
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我想確認一下所謂的這個第二點昨天那個會議結論主席宣告的第二項這個部分請行政院這個相關草案含其本本席將與院會交付近乎二讀後並案協商的那個並案可不可以再解釋一下因為我們昨天的目的也意義也是很清楚的是說要有行政院版本那個從title到這個狀態我們有一個版就對了啦 |
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將來的黨團協商會議會有兩項一案是我們委員會的就兩個案子嘛對不對一案是行政院含情審議的就是兩個案子所以到時候因為昨天在講的時候包括對照表等等也都是兩個案子所以未來如果真的還有哪一些出入需要表決的時候行政院的板也有出現 |
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我們會做一個黨團協商結論我們會做一個黨團協商結論最後會做一個黨團協商結論看哪些條文被保留所以不是國民黨版、民眾黨版、書僑會版已經沒有這個版最後會做一個黨團協商結論 |
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在會議結束後,哪些條文要保留、送入?但是在開始討論的時候是061或什麼委員會審查版和行政院版?我們黨衡協商的標的就是兩個,一個是審查會的條文,一個是行政院的條文。好,謝謝主席。 |
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議事錄確定繼續進行本日議程請宣讀 |
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二、邀請原住民族委員會、內政部、文化部、客家委員會就都會區原住民族、客家族群、新住民權益保障措施與精進方案．進行專題報告．並備質詢。三、邀請原住民族委員會、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會就 |
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金德總統原住民族政見推動規劃進行專題報告．並備質詢。三、邀請行政院原住民族委員會、行政院主計總署、財政部就一百一十四年度原住民族委員會預算籌編情形進行專題報告．並備質詢。 |
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本日議程所列的報告事項我們合併詢答首先我先介紹在場的委員還有列席的官員我們歡迎蘇巧惠委員歡迎王美惠委員歡迎黃婕委員介紹一下今天列席的官員原住民族委員會主任委員曾志勇 |
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政務副主任委員杜章梅莊、綜合規劃處處長亞波俗用、社會福利處處長羅赫魯、公共建設處處長劉偉哲、土地管理處代理處長張信良、教育文化處副處長邱文龍、秘書室主任陳梅林、 |
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人事室主任陳榮宏主計室主任簡信惠原住民族文化發展中心代理主任簡明雄原住民族文化事業基金會董事長馬拉奧斯原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長麻夭古木客家委員會主任委員古秀飛 |
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中和規劃處處長陳瑞榮行政院主計總處副主計長陳慧娟公務預算處專門委員王淺凱內政部常務次長吳唐安移民署署長鍾景坤 |
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文化部綜合規劃司副司長嚴榮興財政部國庫署副署長馬曉慧 |
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我們現在就進行報告請原民會主委曾主委來做報告因為你今天有三個專題報告所以我給你長一點的時間給你十分鐘請你一一的來說明謝謝 |
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主席、各位委員、理事先生首先要感謝立法院長期以來對原民會的業務的支持 |
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以下我針對都會區原住民族的權益保障的這個措施還有賴總統的原住民族的政見推動的規劃以及114年度本會的預算籌編的情形則要來跟大家報告那為了要提升我們族人遷居都市的適應能力本會跟相關的部會共同推動 |
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都市第七原住民族的這個發展方案並且研擬精進的方案如下我們規劃每半年辦理各項業務計畫的這個追蹤還有考核確保各項的這個施政能夠落實 |
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二、我們規劃在今年的八月底以前,我們至少要辦理六場次的都會區原住民族相關權益法律草案的公聽會,明天就...對不起主委,您的這個口頭報告在我們的書面上是哪一份? |
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因為你今天給我們的是賴清總統總統的專題報告還有都會區的專題報告還有你現在的預算籌備情形請問您口頭的報告是哪一份我們三份是要一起這樣子打開看嗎還是先從都會區我現在先報告都會區的報告謝謝抱歉打斷您請繼續 |
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那我們規劃在今年的八月底就開始要辦理至少六場次的都會區的原住民族相關權益的法律草案的這個公聽會那並且從明天晚上開始在桃園市辦理第一場我們要徵省並且要聽起多方的意見特別是地方政府的意見我們也必須要能夠聽得到作為後續 |
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法案還有相關的政策推動的參考。」第三、我們將持續執行建置原住民族族群主流化友善空間的計畫從113年到126年在都會區建置原住民族族群主流化的友善空間我們會打造都會區文化傳承的場域。第四、我們與教育部要合作 |
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將原住民族的議題融入學校的課程當中,我們也必須要推廣全民原住民族教育,建立正確的認知,我們也希望能夠降低對原住民的歧視事件的繼續發生。」五、不定期召開座談會來盤點地方法規,強化中央跟地方政府都會都市原住民族的聯繫與合作。 |
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那接下來我是要報告賴清德總統原住民族政見的推動規劃方案第一個我們會依照111年現判制第17號的判決結果希望在114年的10月27日以前來修正原住民族身分法 |
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或者是另訂中法的方式讓平埔族群在內的這個南島族群的這個民族有機會取得原住民的身份另外在判決中特別揭示要先認定民族之後再取得身份的處理的原則目前本會我們也已經受理西拉雅族還有嘎哈烏族還有巴塞族 |
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我們這各族群的這個團體民族的認定申請案其中西阿亞我們已經委外進行調查的研究後續我們會依照相關的法例核定前述我講的這三個族的各族群的這個民族別第二個 |
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在推動原住民族自治的部分本會我們將提供基金會來補助讓每一個組各組內他們自己先充分的對話討論看族人需要的自治制度是什麼樣的自治制度 |
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形成共識之後,我們作為以後後續推動的基礎。」那麼本會也將針對部落公法人的制度重新推動來徵詢部落的意見來更符合族人實際需求的方式來推動部落公法人的這個制度因為部落公法人這幾年這一兩年來我們到部落去做說明其實很多很多的這個部落他們 |
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也沒有共識,他們也有很多的意見,所以我們需要一點時間來做徵詢的會議。第三個,我們要培立部落,落實原住民族資源的共榮、共管,而且要守護土地。我們是要精進諮商同意制度,我們將會參考過去實際的經驗 |
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在今年度前面的來修正檢討把諮商同意辦法是不是可以把它提升這個法例位階到諮商同意的這個這個變成諮商同意的一個條例讓它的位階能夠提升在土地潛力的這個保障方面我們會依據國土計劃法 |
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我們跟內政部共同來訂定原住民族土地使用規則我們希望能夠鬆綁土地管制的法規讓族人使用土地能夠有更不要說那麼大的限制能夠更自由地使用自己的土地另一方面我們也要研擬原住民族保留地管理 |
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條例的這個草案,我們希望也把這個原開辦法一樣的也把它提升的提升到法律的位階來建前原住民保留地的法源還有管理的體系,落實憲法上保障原住民族土地福利的這樣的一個精神。第四個,我們要強化原住民族健康的服務,我們會依據 |
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原住民族健康法跟衛福部共同來改善原住民族健康不平等的情形。」我們 |
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也會就影響原住民族平均餘命的這些疾病我們利用現代的科學將醫療帶進一晃我們最主要是希望提升我們族人的平均的餘命此外本會我們也會繼續推動文化健康站的這個服務的量能我們會整合地方政府部落還有在地的醫療團隊等我們希望落實這個長者個人的健康管理強化 |
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原住民族的這個健康跟醫療的服務。五、我們也持續推動原住民族的這個實驗教育。我們建議而且要建構原住民族知識體系還有原住民族教育課程發展的各項工作。我們希望能夠一步一步的來發展雙軌制原住民族教育體系的基礎。 |
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同時也希望透過我們執行國家語言整體發展方案讓我們原住民族的語言使用能夠更生活化、家庭化而且也能夠部落化。六、針對都市原住民的保障在剛剛的報告中我們已經說明我們會繼續積極地來落實各項精進的方案 |
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最後第七在國際交流的部分我們會持續透過南島民族論壇還有原住民族經濟貿易合作的協議跟台紐經貿的這個合作的協定我們會跟世界各地的原住民族做交流 |
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而且我們也會培養原住民族在外交領域的人才此外我們也會透過原住民的文物館來培養更多的文化轉譯的專業人才以及持續獎勵還有培育原住民族體育的人才 |
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最後有關114年度預算籌編的作業的情形我們目前正在重新檢視調整相關的這個概算我們會將總統的政見以及本會當前的施政的重點優先納入我們希望能夠在6月20號以前能夠送行政院來審查後續我們也會依據行政院審查的結果 |
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將籌編114年度預算案希望能夠在8月31日以前將整編後的114年的預算書送到大院來審查。」以上的報告那敬請各位委員、女士先生不吝指教謝謝大家 |
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謝謝主委今天比較進入狀況了你還有一點時間沒有講完所以表示你好像已經非常的準備充足了待會就針對我們其他委員對你個別質詢說請你好好表現謝謝你繼續我們還有其他部會的一些說明我們就是看我們的書面報告就好了好不好 |
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我們就請各委員自行參閱並且刊登公報我們現在進行詢答委員質詢前我們依照做幾點宣告本會還有原住民委員發言時間我們是6加2好嗎必要的時候6分鐘必要的時候延長2分鐘非本會委員發言的時間是以6分鐘為主上午10點30分截止發言登記臨時提案截止提出的時間在10點 |
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與本會委員詢答完畢以後處理。」請問各位委員有沒有意見?好,沒有。那我們現在就請登記第一位的蘇巧慧委員來質詢。好,謝謝主席。我們請曾主委。有請曾主委。 |
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主委好主委剛剛聽到您的報告不管是對人民會的這個業務報告或者是對都市原住民地區的權益我想都有著墨那我想我現在我服務的地方是新北市所以我當然 |
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關心的題目就是都市原住民的權益為優先所以我今天想跟你談談的是在我選區常常發生的一個問題就是我們在都市的原住民聚會所到底要怎麼樣才可以得到政府的幫助讓我們有機會可以建置起來因為我們在都會地區我們還是希望有我們族人朋友可以活動就像在自己故鄉一樣的狀況那這個最需要什麼 |
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需要的是寬闊的地方嘛對不對因為說實在的我們的活動常常都是平面式的不管是舞蹈啦祭祀啊等等你如果是這樣我們在高樓大廈內或者室內空間其實看起來都不像也沒有辦法完整我這個認知主委應該合理啦齁合理 |
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那我現在其實這個問題問了很多年我現在是很高興看到您在今天你的報告裡面這一份都會區原住民族的權益保障措施精進方案裡面你有寫到你們在今年開始會 |
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建制原住民族的主流化友善空間計畫打造都市地區的原住民族文化傳統場域這個和我需要的原住民、都市原住民地區的這個聚會所會有相關嗎?我可以因為這個計畫得到幫助嗎? |
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跟委員報告我們在都會區特別是我們的族人要借場地或者是使用場地辦各項的活動很需要有一個屬於自己的一個空間那我們這個我們有一個這樣的一個計畫就是都會區我看是今年開始的從113年到116年我們 |
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可以有這樣的一個計畫來協助這個計畫全部是10億4年10億的計畫10億的計畫那可以就可以提報這樣都市比較多原住民的而且是比較需要這樣產業的我們願意來協助好那我就想問了我覺得我很高興看到有這個計畫這個方向但是那我就想知道4年10億的計畫那你們是如何選定這個地點 |
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是我們自己只要我們喜歡我們常用我們高興的就可以嗎還是你有什麼樣的條件或限制那這個條件和限制對我們會有幫助嗎我今天就想聽你細部一點講第一個 |
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他必須是人口希望能夠達到一千五百人以上一千五百人以上我這裡到處都是還有希望那個場域的土地如果是沒有問題那是最好因為有問題的話我們又會延宕希望是那個土地沒有問題的話我們來協助會比較快 |
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主委,什麼叫做沒有問題?沒有問題的話我還需要找政府嗎?對不對?說實在的這個地方其實就是需要原民會下去協助啦說實在的因為我跟主委說一下我今天看到這個計畫真是一則以喜一則以憂喜的是我們政府看到了族人的需求了 |
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所以有要投入費用來預算來幫忙協助大家做這個聚會所可是優的是什麼呢我跟主委說如果你這個之後有機會來到我們新北這邊我至少就可以邀請你去兩個地方一個是我們英哥的南進部落他在領水河邊河岸地我們每年都在那邊舉辦聚會啊可是那個地方就是河灘地啊河灘地可以用來蓋一個大樓岸可以蓋一個聚會所嗎我想有困難 |
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另外一個地方是我英哥的中湖和永昌的交界中山橋下中山橋下那個地方也很不錯我們平常可以在這邊射箭還有跳舞聚會等等其實都是一個很適合的地方坦白講那個地方還是什麼我們平常區公所清潔隊也有在那邊做一個使用 |
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所以在這樣的狀況下那這個地方主委我剛剛講的兩個地方你覺得土地有沒有問題我跟委員報告你委員剛剛講的應該是中那個什麼那個橋那邊那個對比較沒有問題因為它是公有地那裡也比較應該是 |
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我這樣看啦是因為我沒有去看過現場但是我覺得那邊會比較沒有問題所以只要土地是可以的或者只要是公家的你們都可以協助把它轉成是原住民朋友可以來做聚會所的地方是這樣嗎主委你在這裡是等於是承諾 |
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原民會不只是給錢而且至少好啦我不敢說因為你是中央層級嘛這一定要經過地方政府啦說實在的這一定有跟地方政府合作的部分但是至少原民會你現在是不是可以在備詢台這裡公開的承諾原民會會協助輔導我們族人朋友來就這個計畫爭取到我們最最需要的聚會所這個會跟委員報告那我要找哪個單位 |
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我們公建處,我們原民會的公共建設公建處公建處那請你帶著計畫到我的辦公室來我們就各案今天在這裡跟你講通則嘛那我現在已經跟你講了兩個具體的個案了我新北還有更多的地方其實都有這樣的需要你可不可以盤點新北所有目前有需要的有申請過的有列案入案過的地方的都來跟我們辦公室做一個說明看看我們現在進程可以到哪裡可以嗎?公建處這裡主委可以嗎?現在就有資料我們等一下可以提供 |
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會後就提供嘛吼,然後我們一個一個個案來盤,到底哪幾個可以。好,主委,那我再問你喔,這個是競爭型計畫嗎?對。對吼,所以他有申請的期限嗎?他要用誰做主體來申請? |
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直轄市政府所以必須是要報到市政府市政府還要先把你報上去所以你有沒有入列是市政府決定這個順序嗎市政府會先排一個順序然後才來送你們決定你們按照市政府編排的順序來做勾選來核給經費嗎 |
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也不是我們他報上來我們還是要下去看啦當然你要下去看嘛但是這個順序市政府是不是有權利決定一二三四我的意思是說如果到時候沒有過到底是市政府的問題還是是你的問題 |
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他報上來我們還要下去看啦然後那個優先數據也是會跟地方政府來談所以地方政府是很關鍵的一環就對了啦那我是希望說今天藉著這樣我今天問得這麼細是因為我知道很多族人朋友已經都會看我們的國會頻道我們在問政的過程當中這是一個他們非常關心的問題我很希望今天看到這一則質詢的朋友們可以了解 |
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人民會有開了這樣的計畫我們有心要解決大家的問題但申請的計畫還有步驟還有全責是地方和中央要能夠一起合作的這個是大家人民會要一起來解決大家的困擾包括土地利用的問題但是錢的部分我希望能夠從寬編列 |
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讓大家能夠有一個好的聚會所不然你講文化傳承等等如果沒有場域說實在的其實都很難啊一年沒有跳舞兩年沒有跳舞到時候連腳步都怎麼都已經忘記了同意啦同意好那主委我也在跟您說啦我們昨天在同樣這個會議場上我們在審新住民權益的保障至於要用專法還是要用基本法都還在 |
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討論當中。」但是我們可以看得出來其實新住民他在不同的部會裡面有不同的服務單位有常態型和申請型其實非常非常的對主委你有看到這一頁嗎你前面的螢幕應該也是有你覺得原住民也有新住民的新住民的是這樣原住民的我們也有嗎每一項都有嗎 |
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我們在內政部有新住民家庭服務中心是常態型服務對象新住民教育部有家庭教育中心常態型服務對象是全民還有教育部仍然還有申請型的新住民學習中心給新住民原住民有沒有比較少 |
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不能比較少啊對不對因為我們的建構更完全嘛好我給你看下一頁啦下一頁我幫你整理出來其實我們每一項都有可是我要跟主委再次提醒的其實我們還有更多的計畫就如同剛剛說的其實很多的縣市政府都沒有知道要來申請比如說我們看到衛福部有原住民及離島地區部落的社區健康營造計畫這個齁 |
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其實不是只有原鄉可以申請是都會區的原住民部落也可以來申請結果你看看哪幾個縣市有來申請老實講一看其實只有高雄市最積極啊高雄市去採訪了去調查了他所有的原民鄉之外連小港區的都市原住民他都來申請這個計畫了那我就想知道為什麼新北沒有 |
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為什麼桃園沒有?為什麼台中沒有?是他們的政府比較不積極嗎?還是他們不夠了解?我覺得這個原民會應該要可以幫忙去了解一下。凡是有資源的,我們都應該要可以爭取,不能讓我們的族人朋友搞不清楚狀況啊,到底是中央的還是是地方的嘛。」 |
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主委希望這邊可以盤整各部會、其他對原民有相關的補助計畫等等能夠提供到我的辦公室我們一起來為主委朋友的權益做爭取這樣可以吧?可以好 謝謝主委好 謝謝巧惠委員 |
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請問一下主委你再回應一下那個風雨球場或者是那個是原民會權額嗎還是地方政府他必須也要出資或者是由協會來提供要不然個人的話怎麼跟縣市政府申請你可能要問清楚再講一下對或者是聚會所對就是你講的這個聚會所他必須是對跟委員報告就是說他必須是這個 |
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公布最好是這個土地一定是要公有地這是第一個我知道是協會來申請還是個人地方政府來申請對誰去跟地方政府申請地方政府申請所以個人就可以跟地方政府申請還是協會去跟地方政府申請這是公共設施所以是地方政府執行 |
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所以也就是說地方政府他要清楚知道但是我們的族人必須要去跟地方政府說我有這個需求嘛我的重點是在這裡所以是因為在部落裡面尤其是都會區他大概都是協會嘛他不會是個人嘛他要用到這一塊的時候他一定是一個協會嘛他這個協會就會到縣市政府去申請嘛 |
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然後縣市政府才到原民會報馬然後這樣子的經費是縣市政府要不要提供還是全額是原民會按照中央對地方的補助比例來分擔所以是要地方政府主席既然你問到這裡了那容我也加入討論一下因為我也處理過相當多的天目球場的這種部分所以其實確實就是如同主席說的這所有的計畫都是公家的計畫所以就是地方縣市政府還不是區公所 |
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是地方縣市政府去提出申請跟中央申請了之後中央像我們新北就大概是六四吧大概是這樣的狀況所以一定是地方縣市政府所以剛剛說的個人跟協會只能反映意見給公所反映意見然後公所也待會轉達到地方縣市政府我剛剛要說的其實也就這樣謝謝主席大家一起把這件事情弄得更清楚 |
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要不然主任搞不清楚為什麼我提出的都沒有然後每次回應的時候就是沒有經費所以要比例啦對不對講清楚縣市政府往中央報的時候中央也要出一部分的比例如果中央通過中央通過的話如果地方政府也不編那一半的話可能也做不到嘛所以是中央跟地方要配合才能夠完成這件事情 |
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王美惠委員質詢 |
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主席,我們請請客委主委。好,我們請客委會主委。好,歡迎主委。王委員好。主委,早早。主委,在這,我先來,本席先來請教一點,你覺得我們客委 |
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總會議席有多少?總統有多少議席?我第一,我們113年初的議席是391,明年要變滿年的議席是461來,是不是有歡迎的,有歡迎不是,我認為這樣 |
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二、邀請原住民族委員會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會 |
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這樣主委是我們要講的信你都要用客委的語言來講嗎?對,報告委員,我們在台批用合法律報告。好,這樣互相尊重的議員。在這裡面,剛才本席也跟你說過,我們總統會議席有多少? |
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跟我們的藝文、藝術總統有多少?來。我們的藝文、語言差不多七億,語言的部分七億。差不多七億。在這裏面,我們想要跟你談到的就是第一點,感謝對嘉義市的關心,讓藝文可以在今年復活。再來, |
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在移民廟也好、北陰也好,我們有很多文化,可以提到我們客家會的獎金要到五十三萬四千, |
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今年通話制已經辦過,適當客委補助70萬,雖然隔離期客委人數至市中心要2萬4千人, |
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雖然酒瘋酒,我們的文化要保存下去,不是酒自己就沒人關心,這樣我們的文化會消失的。」所以在這裏面,我要請教客家委員會 |
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對嘉義市、客戶的文化及民情,您有什麼規則嗎?來。道歉委員,我們在嘉義市有錄料理,我們同事布施委員會,藉著通法機判理法庭的青春夜的所採,我們明年會鼓勵去判通法機,從今年就輔助了70萬, |
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兔兔語言所提到,像我們傳統的白銀的部分,我們在那兩年沒有設置不足的團體來做白銀,但是我們做的提案和語言報告,為了我們對它要合格的意願、白銀的存在,我們為台立來支持。好,加上這兩年本身要跟 |
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主委探討的就是說,我們自己的語言、的序句,在很多時候的將來,不要在家裡去表演過。在本席,對啊對,拜託啊拜託,在今年,有在家裡去加大,會好,有表演過。 |
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但在我這幾個月所了解的,不知道是否有二年,你們的教職、你們的幾位、教育期沒有看到這個幾位本身我們也、我們的諸位,可以給教育期機會 |
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因為正當有辦,你應該副主委、前副主委有去參加的時候,有看很多人去參加,實在會很感動,所以說希望主委可以加二次。」 |
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更多的資源：在這方面,我認為自己在長久以來,你知道我們自己吃的六料理,六料理的大部分都是大,我們客家,我們這裡的食材,跟孩子都去外地,所以本省會跟你說,移民廟的老年人時,可以帶動他們的經歷事實, |
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等待到他的故鄉參加我們的藝文、我們的文化,所以我們、我們的主委,多多關心。」好,感謝委員,沒問題,這樣為了太力支持。好,現在剛才本席跟你說的,你要趕緊去演繹。來,請坐。好,感謝。來,我們原民會的主委。 |
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所以我要請問你現在要回答本席的詢問是用你本身的語言還是用你想要...委員我幫你報告齁我幫你報告 |
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原住民是這樣原住民16個族我如果說我的台灣族的連住宿也聽不懂所以我過去用台語給你回答好了哇 讚啦因為台語也有用在消息的當地原住民的主委裡面說出台語也不簡單但是我相信 |
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十八族的語言主委都會選：不不我都擔任這個職務：不不不我不會選的你不會選喔?沒有啦,別人做的就像有多過的這樣喔?跟他們去談判、去關心的時候你是不是要再找那一族 |
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問候,譬如說你好,還是說吃飽,還是說…好啦,不要緊啦,這題外話啦,來,最主要就是說,若我們的原住民的權利要鼓勵,自尊要鼓勵,在這裡面,主委你可不可以知道啊,主委你可不可以知道啊,我們最近有人帶我們的原住民去到中國大陸的時候,讓人愛話的,說 |
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我們是少數民族,你知道這個問題嗎? |
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在這第一百五年的時候,原民會在杭州文化…沒有啦沒有啦,最近也是這樣啦!最近原民會,我們回來沒有去對話啦!沒有啦!我知道你沒有去對話,我是說最近有這樣的時候,本身要跟你談到的就是這個,未來我們的議程的時候,說實在每一項都要照顧到 |
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在我們總統會議席內,我們有補助教育的推廣,在這裏面,如果團體在國際交流時,到目前為止,我們有給予中國,來,目前沒有,到現在有沒有? |
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財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會就 |
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有文學家孫大川過的嗎?因為主委因為本身要跟你說的就是說我們要像人家說的我們不是要去挽救我們是要去做好處兵一國跟一國的交流跟他們要發我們的新聞我們就去那邊寄達啦在這裡面我們是覺得說大家互相對待 |
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會尊重嘛,不能去愛化爛啦,因為有時候要去的心說,我們少數民族,跟我們一家親,跟我們就跟他不一樣啊,所以說主委在這裏面喔,您要去注意,跟在補助團體的交流的心,還有保證為止,您要怎麼整回來? |
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補助團隊交流、國際交流。」國際交流我們是有補助啦,這就譬如說那個南島...南島...跟這基金會怎麼補助,怎麼對平衡? |
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有一個要點,就是說,譬如說你處理多少人,你要去多久,那經費都不一樣啦。跟他的經費,你會限制他要去兌、要去兌嗎?還是不用?他想要去兌就去兌?不是,他如果要去,譬如說去南島國家做交流,博物館的交流,或是說那個這個活動的交流,譬如說剛才, |
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是要在對的地方上,可以幫助我們的文化,這是最重要的。本席在這段時間內,在這個問題的議程,您要好好去處理。本席,您正當這個議程,如何開議? |
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我請客委會主委謝謝客委會主委 |
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主委你好齁其實阿在都市裡面有原住民阿在都市裡面也有很多隱形的客家人主委你認不認同當然 歸獨歸獨 |
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我以北部來說我們講臺北市臺北市大概有45萬.4萬的客家人其實佔了臺北市的人口將近17.4%那其實在臺北市我們除了去參加客家團體還有搭捷運之外很難聽到客家話了主委認不認同 |
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其實臺北市的客家人 |
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幾乎都是北客比較多他就是從桃竹苗這邊來的比較多當然南部也有但北客比較多那其實在台北市我舉個例子台北市的柯南街、南昌路、泰順街、通化街、悠隆街、武昌街、河江街這些其實就很多 |
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我們客家的聚落以前的人來這邊就在那邊在我們新北一樣在我們板橋也是有可能一兩條街裡面幾乎都是客家人因為從南部上來親戚朋友一起來就住在附近所以已經形成了一個客家的部落不過 |
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主委你知道嗎在這些很多客家人聚集的地方客語很少聽得到的 |
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你知道嗎?我剛才解釋說,因為提供世內都市的客家人,他不會說,但是他在那間什麼對象的法院,他就不會說,他就會擁有在都市的法院,說法語也好,說俄羅也好,然後他趕快提供合法的基金,要解釋的,所以他要確實在都市暗度的行業,但是合法過難產生的一個現象。 |
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你怎麼知道我都不大敢講了也不會講了但你講什麼我都聽得懂因為我們的腔調跟別人不一樣但我剛剛為什麼特別強調像台北、新北這一些它是北客比較多一點 |
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那他們的腔調當然是會比較接近一點所以我要說的就是說其實我們不管去要什麼客家文化傳承或什麼的其實我從頭到尾我真的認為語言非常的重要不知道主委你認為所謂要讓客家文化要能夠傳承像什麼其實語言很重要吧 |
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也在語言在客家文化產生的改創業的基礎,所以我非常認同語言的看法,語言的復振在我們學位在改創業的工作。」 |
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如果主委你也是這樣認同我當然非常高興但是我手頭上有一個資料就是說客家像在客家文化重點區的客家民眾他客語的聽說能力都有很大的下降趨勢我不知道主委有沒有注意到這個問題因為你剛剛已經講了東勢就是這樣所以我現在其實 |
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語言的重要所以我覺得客家語言你現在很多的學校雖然有課語認證老師可以去教但我覺得我不知道主委你有沒有去真的去看有很多我們不能說他不好他很認真的他去考這個課語認證然後去但是 |
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他考的是課與認證,真正實際上要去講,要去生活化,其實有一點點距離吧?主委你有沒有去學校這樣去去去關心過去去看過?嗯,他要去母鄉那邊,呃,再度訪發起 |
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其中一個方法就是行業形成室搞合法的事情我們鼓勵在六一批的、中一批的行業形成室做出帶連性的形式來跟你們要相擁所以要擴大它的可能就是形成室的數量、年數來搞合法也要那些貴重業務的第二就是我們無限有推一個叫做行業先共研 |
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也要先說一件事,就是昨天委員提到的,來到都市地區講合法的基金會的時候,我們要先說一件事,跟財界來講合法的重要性,也要提供年年一時的一個方法,所以提供年年一時,特別是生存時的年數的提升,也要在我們目前的重要作為 |
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主委你說的這個提交語言意思等等這些我不是反對啦但我是有一個具體的建議就是說我們能不能跟教育部我們課委跟教育部我們去協調其實學校有一些課語的課程 |
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我們就協調一下其實我們有一些客家的長輩他講的客家話其實是非常好的只是他沒有客語認證啊他沒有辦法去教啊對不對那我們是不是弄一個簡單的認證那他去學校教 |
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我覺得比那個會更生活化更具體啊對不對那甚至有一些課外活動我們就請這些爺爺奶奶去啊我覺得能不能活一點思考活一點能不能朝這個方向走你就有沒有可能啊 |
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一是一個居合的建議,二是一個居合的建議,二是一個居合的建議,二是一個居合的建議,二是一個居合的建議,二是一個居合的建議,二是一個居合的建議,二是一個居合的建議,二是一個居合的建議, |
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好,如果主委同意,如果這樣,那我們我覺得啊,可以努力一下啦,因為我覺得你讓這些長輩去,他反而更生活化,講得更準確,然後他也有榮譽感,他回去他村裡隔壁,我在學校教書耶,那個榮譽感一起來之後,我跟你講,會帶動這個 |
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他的下一輩你看他在那邊教書他可能要學得比別人更好不然給爺爺奶奶丟臉我覺得這是一個共榮所以我覺得這個可能要稍微去突破所以不然我們這個 |
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國家語言整體發展方案每年投每5年我們5年要投入300億耶每年投入300億耶那我們去拿個一點點然後用個特別的計畫拿個幾億我覺得這些爺爺奶奶他並不是真的要拿很多錢啦你可能一堂課給他個 |
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幾百塊他就很高興了,他要的是那種榮譽感,那也讓這個客語文化的傳承我覺得比較火、比較好,好不好,這個主委,如果你剛剛同意的話,就要拜託你好不好?沒問題,也要贊成,也要奉獻來設計、來研究,本國度的客家的供客房、額外留的總批諸地間生意的強化,來學習也要客家房 |
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好謝謝但像你你這個如果可以的話也不是只有你像我剛說的臺北新北其實也可以配合全國可以來做全國可以來做對啊對啊全國都可以來做嘛這樣我覺得對啊因為流失最嚴重的其實是在都會區啦你說客家莊雖然越來越少但還是有人在用嘛對不對那都會區的客家人真的快被快慢慢的流失了好不好拜託主委可以啦齁 |
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感謝維研好謝謝感謝謝謝張宏祿委員的質詢謝謝也謝謝谷主委謝謝繼續我們請劉徐廷委員來質詢好謝謝主席原民會主委有請好有請曾主委 |
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主席早安五月好本席在5月13號就搬遷原住民語言傳播大樓的整備事宜專題報告的時候我們針對是不是可以興建員工宿舍這件事情我們有提出質詢那麼5月30號有做追蹤後面兩個基金會的董事長包含主委您也來本席辦公室討論謝謝你們對這件事情的重視但是我要特別講5月13號那時候討論的時候我們的小結論 |
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就是一個月之內給出完整方案那今天這個非常剛好今天6月13號剛好距離我們開始關心這個題目剛好一個月那當初來協調會的時候你們有講說兩個基金會內部還沒有針對這個相關的規劃還沒有內部整合還沒有一個具體的一個策略但是怎麼樣一個月也到了是不是該提出一個完整的說法請主委回答謝謝 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝委員吼,那目前就是我們顏如晦這裡吼,因為他最近這個大概這個禮拜他去參加這個太平洋的藝術節在這個夏威夷吼,那所以目前這個進度還沒有趕上來,還比較慢所以你們前面答應我一個月之內要給答案是在開玩笑是不是? |
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再給我們一個禮拜好不好因為他那邊還沒有整個整理出來所以還沒有我們還沒有辦法這樣子不行啊你如果有狀況你要提早跟我講啊對不對要不然怎麼怎麼討論呢但沒關係啦本席是有準備的 |
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現在處理這個事情有三個步驟第一個叫你內部要整合出一個版本嘛對不對我們如何保障這些在這個兩基金會上班的人到新的大樓的時候他的工作通勤的權益能夠完整的確保你內部要先有個方案出來那你這個內部的都有提出很熱血的方案我是覺得很好啊希望單位可以育成這第一個 |
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二、整合出版本之後要進行行政溝通因為新的大樓在桃園所以你好歹要跟桃園市政府打打招呼過去曾經有做過這樣的嘗試可是過去都沒有把權力義務關係講清楚誰來做、什麼時候做、資源怎麼來做分配 |
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那桃園市政府當然會覺得很擔心阿會不會我答應的到最後所有的事情都是我處理沒有得到外債的資源造成桃園的負擔這個是從地方政府的角度出發會有這樣的懷疑是很合理的所以中間要有人溝通我在質詢的時候我答應大家我說要跟桃園市政府溝通我來扮演這樣的角色這件事我說到做到所以我希望你們該整合該給按照時間給計畫你們也要說到做到 |
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第二、行政溝通第三、真正的深水區也是我們今天要花時間討論的叫做經費來源你們很多的員工其實是希望在未來大樓離一站或兩站的機場捷運站附近如果有好的閒置的公有地來做他們希望是做像合一住宅也就是說中央處理部分的資源由建商來處理然後用一個相對低的承購價格 |
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這是一個概念那我覺得我們心態可以放開一點它不見得一定要是合一住宅的形式但是它一定要是個員工宿舍的形式因為處理這個事情的目標就是要讓你這些從台北現在要到桃園來上班的人不要變成舟車勞頓的通勤族嘛 |
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所以不管它的形式是什麼你總要花一點時間去做建設嘛你總要把這個建築的量體做出來好問題來了啊這年頭啊這個原物料價格大漲對不對要蓋個房子其實價格不菲那麼經費來源是哪裡這本期啊想破頭結果我看到你們報告之後我非常高興為什麼呢因為你們的原住民族政見推動規劃專題報告第9頁 |
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說持續推動都市原住民族發展方案五年經費77.9億元在你們精進的專題報告裡面也明確的表格列出來不錯資料整理很好第三頁計畫目標第四項發展多元職能提升就業競爭力裡面四之三寫促進原住民就業非常高興前面我們開這個題目的原因是什麼因為你到要搬街有15%的人可能會離職啊 |
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這個對原住民的就業來說他是一個負面的指標如果我們今天把這員工宿舍的配套處理好把這15%的人找回來他就促進原住民的就業所以他完全符合四之三的具體措施他不只符合四之三的具體措施他還符合六之三的具體措施六之三第六項叫多元居住方案落實居住正義其中啊 |
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其實不只六之三我仔細的看了一下六之二也可以你看輔導推動原住民族住宅如果這些大部分原住民族上班的人有員工宿舍他是不是原住民住宅他當然是六之三打造都市地區原住民安居聚落非常好桃園就是都市原住民比例相對高的一個地方未來你的大樓周邊如果他們居住在附近他們就是標準的都市原住民所以你看 |
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完全符合你這個原住民族發展方案各項內容所以原民會當然應該編列相關的資源我相信原民會把計畫安排好也編列了相關的預算資源的時候台灣市政府怎麼會不配合呢對不對這個既符合原民會的中央施政的總體目標又有相關的裁員又是中央跟地方可以共同創造對我國原住民族保障的政策亮點何樂而不為主委你覺得呢 |
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這個我們會拜託就是快一點就是我們這裡的這個研文會這邊跟教育處這裡教育文化處這邊趕快把那個報告提出來之後我們來盤點那就有就現有可以補助的這個計畫裡面我們趕快來給協助 |
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現有的補助計畫趕快給協助。」所以基本上是會蓋囉?我可以這樣子樂觀的解讀嗎?把他們的那個評估出來的那個報告趕快拿出來齁那我們拿出來之後我們來合對來討論一下是什麼地方我再給你一個禮拜但是你不能再這樣子這很糟糕我們的趙偉是原住民族很重要的角色對不對你如果再不尊重內政委員會的委員 |
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那以後大家走著瞧好不好我不喜歡在質詢台上講重話可是你答應我一個月時你就要說到做到好我不只幫你想了預算我還幫你想了預算以外的事情什麼叫預算以外的事情這個我要請內政部常務市長也聽一下好不好因為這一條曾經曾經跟你們做過討論 |
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這我們曾經在財政委員會質詢那時候是花市長花市長雖然現在換了一個崗位但是他一樣這個我想跟社會住宅相關的一些推動他還是很重要的一個角色我們那時候在財政委員會講的概念叫ESG現在ESG是世界企業的主流透過投資的方式對環境友善對社會責任友善這是大家鼓勵從事的一個方向那麼其中其實可以用綠色債券社會責任債券的方式來幫政府籌措裁員 |
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鼓勵企業來投資啊你就發這個ESG的社會責任債券企業來進場企業得到了ESG的美名他配合了全世界的公平正義對不對你政府募到的財源相對來講你要興建合一住宅也好員工宿舍也好 |
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社會住宅也好其實你是有相關多的政策武器這一件事情當初一樣在財政委員會雖然不在這裡但是花部長那個花次長當初的花次長也答應本席說內政部會進行研擬好你中間有換屆對不對總有交接這本席願意理解但是請問針對用這樣子的方式來為未來全台灣這不只是原住民族了未來全台灣的社會住宅興建來提供 |
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特殊的財源讓企業可以參與請問這樣子的一個方向內政部是否有研擬是否有進展謝謝委員的推詢我想社會住宅的興建你剛談到ESG的結合這個部分其實本來在社會住宅我們也有這個努力的方向那相關的籌措財源的部分大概 |
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您大概也知道我們社會住宅的興建其實現在目前仰賴就是尋找閒置的公有土地那興建財源的部分也是由行政院這邊來撥補相關的經費投入到住宅基金裡面來投入那我想這個也其實政策是延續的啦那我想我們社會住宅的政策的部分其實我們都沒有改變那委員剛提的部分我回去我們會再找租住中心跟國土署然後看怎麼樣把它強化 |
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好,我也希望內政部,我們剛剛談的這個原住民族的這個特別的案子,如果內政部可以予以協助,那當然是最好,對不對?既然,你看我都幫你想到,我幫你超前部族,萬一政府編不出來,對不對?我都在講你可以發行ESG的相關的一個債券,對,我們都很努力,就希望促成好的政策啦,好不好?希望內政部也好,原民會也好,不要讓本席失望,可以嗎?好,辛苦,謝謝! |
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好,非常謝謝劉錫廷委員。身為原住民的議員跟召委,非常感謝你對於原住民的這個權益部分。謝謝。我會跟你一起努力來監督。好,謝謝。我們請劉錫廷委員來暫代召委。謝謝。好,謝謝。下一位我們請高金素美委員上台發言。謝謝主席,有請曾主委。曾主委有請。 |
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曾主委因為您上次在這邊考試沒有通過今天是您的補考希望你好好的表現那另外我要再請陳副主席長陳副主席長有請 |
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主委這提醒您,您上次知道您的業務範圍就是爭取預算、修法、立法,對不對?那現在我跟這個陳副主計長在這邊對話,請你好好聽一下。陳副主計長,晚上請問你有新制定的法案,或者是修正的法案,政府就應該要依據法案內容增加預算,對不對? |
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我們就依據那個來編列預算 |
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好我再給你一個案例好了就是為了因應一百年12月2號老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條還有第六條的修正草案還有國民年金法增訂第54條之一條的條文修正草案在立法院也三讀通過了因為他的預算增加 |
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所以行政院立刻提出預算修正案送立法院審議甚至還說如果預算仍然不足的話那麼就同意中央要特別用統籌分配稅款來支應增加了163.57億 |
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聽清楚了對吧請問副組長這是不是因為因應條文修正案三讀通過以後我們增加預算的案例而且不管是行政院提出或立法院提出因為這幾個案子都有提出只要是三讀通過就必須這樣處理對嗎 |
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跟文報,就是說一百零零一年那個階段他是透過立法院的朝野協商結論,但是他是先刪減然後這個先有一個通案刪減。好,那請你告訴我現在的禁法補償也是立法院修法通過的啊? |
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是,那我們現在那個階段跟當時不太一樣為什麼不太一樣我們現在還處於行政院還在籌編預算的階段對,現在接著下來我就要跟您講這件問題所以不要告訴我立法院在立法院通過的法案你們不可以 |
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來挪用。」就是我在總質詢的時候那你們現在中央總預算總共有三兆兩千億對不對?而原民會現在也正在要籌編預算給你們嗎?被匡列預算是125億嘛那針對柯建民說他要要求原民會自己在他們的內算預算裡面去挪縮其實他是 |
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逾越了我們的行政院的權限。」所以,請曾主委聽好,謝謝主席長。我們來看一下,那個副主席長,你的答詢, |
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再更簡單一下因應法律案的通過所以增加相關預算這是一個常態嘛不會不是常態嘛所以這也是一個法律義務嘛 對不對所以當時我們在修訂這兩個法的時候增加了總共是163.57億可是我們現在回頭來看一下經法補償才只有26億好 原民會主委還有原住民主計主任簡主任 |
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請這個這個副組記者不好意思我可以還是補充說明就是說我們針對法案通過的那個項目我們一定會編預算我知道我知道編預算到底要怎麼做會影響其他計畫目前不確定是對吧 |
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對嘛,我剛剛就講了嘛,你們上面那個兩個總共增加163.57億,淨法補償只有26億,我要跟您講的是26億跟163.57億這麼大的一個差別,行政院都可以編列,而原民會的26億,我們柯總召卻要原民會自己去挪,你覺得這合理嗎?好,請你休息一下。 |
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請您休息一下我知道了你們必須在你們的三兆兩千億裡面去挪用我也請行政院長回去考慮也是原民會現在你的責任了原民會主委還有簡主任你們聽到了沒有因應法律通過就必須可以增加相關預算所以我們從最簡單的開始今年原民會預算多少 |
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明年是籌編125億好那在籌備25億中央政府總預算有多少?剛剛我也講算照2000億好 |
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所以也就是說三兆兩千億中央也有增加一成然後原民會你們也增加一成嘛對不對按照這樣的比例來看嘛那原民會的預算目前125億五月初你們核定的是125億但是呢我知道行政院在5月20號他曾經發文要求重新要調整喔所以6月20號你們要重新報院對不對 |
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我現在在籌編的狀態好 在籌編也就是說有一個月的期間嘛從520一直到現在所以運算額度是可以調整的對不對所以125億不是最終的額度嘛對 目前還沒好 現在來了金髮補償三度通過前125億6月4號通過了要增加26億很簡單125億加26億等於151億所以原民會你們在6月20號之前是不是會提這樣的數字給行政院 |
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我先跟委員報告,我們現在還在籌編當中啦我知道啊,你說是還是不是嘛現在還在籌編當中那是不是?因為立法院三讀通過啦這個預算是在你原民會裡面啊所以你要125億加26億等於是151億啊 |
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還是你已經說服了行政院長說在他的三兆裡面去增加你現在告訴我們這個我們會持續來跟院裡面拜託跟溝通那目前的籌編狀態就是說還是在125億這裡 |
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主委我現在是特別要告訴你你是原民會的主委爭取預算是你的工作如果你在6月20號以前不把這個25億放在你的預算裡面那你就有本事讓3兆2000億裡面中央去算你有沒有這個本事你能不能答應我 |
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我會盡全力來跟院裡面拜託跟溝通因為希望這個…那你現在能夠告訴我到底要編在哪裡嗎?你的期望我現在齁還整…僅能就目前因為這個計畫補償增加了這個3萬塊之後總的經費會增加到52億 |
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我知道我跟你算過啦26億啦增加26億啦以前的就不要再算你就是在以前的錢裡面增加26億嘛增加26億我現在簡單的告訴你如果你不匡列在你的預算的話那是你的失職因為柯主委已經在協商的時候告訴你了他希望在你的預算裡面編列如果我在預算書看不到你增加這26億就是你失職 |
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我會跟會裡面跟這個院裡面一定會持續來溝通來拜託如果沒有的話你要不要辭職這26月很重要啊而且這個柯總召或者是這個吳思瑤都已經說會排擠你其他的預算啊那排擠你的預算的話就是傷害原住民嗎是你傷害原住民喔不是行政院長傷害原住民喔 |
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也不是賴清德總統傷害原住民你要記得這樣子尊主委你不要習慣給自己穿小鞋你要去極力爭取不是柯總召說什麼就什麼你知道嗎我們是立法委員你是行政官員而且你的前老闆是誰我的老闆是老百姓沒有你的前老闆在屏東縣攀什麼 |
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他是我以前的縣長對嘛就是以前你是以前的原民局原民處處長嘛也是你前老闆嘛對不對他現在是誰賴清德總統旁邊是誰秘書長對所以他會直接跟總統接近嘛對不對所以你要跟你的前老闆講不要傷害原住民我們只有25億而已而且這是我們的土地轉型正義好不好今天要做到好接著下來新的重點再給我一點時間抱歉來 |
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行政院5月20號他有發文要求各機關他們的預算施政重點要調整然後在施政重點當中原民會把要依據憲法法庭判決結果要儘速完成原住民的身份法的修法這是你列為第一項因為這是總統的政見那請問你要怎麼做 |
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這個就是說我們對平埔族的這個認定我們希望先給他一個民族先認定後面再來認定身份沒有啊你看一下105年9月27號當時台南市的市長也就是賴清德市長他講第一個原住民身份法要增訂第二條第三款平埔原住民然後讓平埔族群依法認定身份 |
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二、要你即刻盤點平埔族群相關的基礎資源,並且依據人數要編列預算,設定其層給予應有的權利。三、過渡期要建議先以民進黨不分區的立委席次,要分配一席給平埔族群主委 。 |
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你已經盤點評估族群相關的基礎資料嗎?然後相關的資源有哪些你可以不簡單講?上一次我就問過你這個問題今天再讓你補考一次委員我跟妳報告應該有什麼它的相關資源你講的這個第一點第二點也並不衝突沒有錯要先認 |
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沒有啦沒有衝突這是賴總統講的他在做台南市長的時候他講的先認定民主再認定身份因為他已經是做台南市長了嘛現在是總統了嘛所以我把他的三項講話告訴你沒有衝突我也沒有認為我也沒有多加這是他講的話所以呢他要你盤點相關的基礎資源然後相關資源有哪些你知不知道因為你要去落實他呀我知道就是說有哪些 |
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一、二,這個我們不談,就是一樣在做,但是第三目前是還沒有,第三還沒有,那你說沒有啦,相關資源,相關資源,第二點,即刻盤點評普族群相關基礎資源,主委我跟委員報告我已經上次問過你了 |
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好了你不要浪費我的時間預算經費要不要有社會福利教育資源要不要有傳統領域土地要不要有如果按照這樣子來講的話你113年預算來算的話只有110億當時我們原住民人口只有58.9萬如果平均每一個原住民可以分享到的預算是18675塊 |
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2022年原民會你們的統計平補足的人數大概是98萬人而98萬人如果以113年的110億的預算來算的話你們總共要增加183億請問一下現在連26億行政院都不要編了183億會編嗎?你要怎麼編? |
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我跟委員報告因為平埔族這個身份認定是到明年的這個10月27到明年的10月27有了身份之後所以我現在告訴你你要預告我們怎麼弄啊你不能夠說這些東西出來你才要去想啊主委第一個他們到底 |
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最後來登記的評估組是多少人你要有預估現在原民會給我的是98萬人你為什麼還要讓他們來登記呢主委你到底有沒有準備好今天所以我再問你我再問你另外的問題增加的183億你現在告訴我的評估組人是98萬你想好要怎麼編譯了嗎有還是沒有 |
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那會不會排擠以後原住民的法定的這些預算?會好 會 好 大家聽好了 會如果這些人他會排擠就表示原民會 |
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爭取預算不力,他不願意讓行政院多出183億,要在原民會裡面的預算去排擠。」第二,土地的部分依照平埔族群,他們一定會有傳統領域,他們也必須去增化編原保地。我們目前原住民的原保地26萬公頃,為了平埔族群,我們要增加多少,你知道嗎? |
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你不知道40到50萬公頃你要怎麼處理 |
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你現在沒有辦法回答我怎麼處理但是你要想好怎麼處理不要浪費時間沒有時間了再來主委你有沒有考慮到參政權參政權要怎麼處理雖然賴清德說議席這個這個這個所謂的民進黨的不分區他要放議席這個不會影響到整個全體的參政權但是這個平他要放在三原還是平原還是其他的方案還是 |
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什麼?有沒有講好?有沒有想好?立法委員的部會這個要修憲啦!那議員的部會...你不能完整講!完整講!如果修憲它會不會是一個很大的一個方向?它為什麼要修憲?它是放在平地原住民呢?還是山地原住民嗎?因為你...第三類的原住民...山地原住民、平地原住民...請旁邊的人不要給他打pass!他今天是來考試的! |
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平埔的原住民他不會跟山地原住民還有平地原住民合在一起好講的很好的答案就是講清楚一下平埔族是另外另類平埔族他不會在平原跟山原裡面對不對對好也就是說平埔族他們會有三席的立委是這樣的意思嗎不是那是怎樣 |
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跟委員報告,議員的席次一定要修憲。」好嘛,我也知道修憲嘛,所以這件事情,原民會提出了法案,最終要修憲嘛,對不對?是。好,謝謝你齁。然後議員呢?代表呢? |
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一眼修法就可以一眼修法就可以好 因為沒有跟地方政府討論過你知道我們現在在修地質法的時候已經是多辛苦了嗎只是增加議員跟代表的席次在這裡的立法委員都吵得一塌糊塗所以 |
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你要如何落實賴總統的政見不是一個原民會說你要修法就可以啦你真的已經準備好了嗎主委你真的沒有準備好今天我問你的這個簡單的問題你都還在這邊搞不太清楚今天因為時間到了你看到了沒有我才問你幾個問題兩個問題一個是進法補償一個是你剛剛說要落實這個原住民證這不要談教育我要講這個提一下你的教育裡面還沒有講原 |
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賴總統的雙軌制度什麼是雙軌制度你沒有講清楚你今天提的這個書面報告都是以前9年前本席在教育文化委員會的時候跟我們原民會的教育處整合的平台你知道嗎你沒有把賴總統的雙軌教育制度放在你今天的報告說明裡面我有報告剛剛的報告就是先訂立一個那什麼叫做雙軌雙軌就是足以跟一般的教育 |
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那你清楚知道現在有民族教育了嗎?有幾所?現在民族教育還在做還沒有到大概只有到七年級啦像一些這個實驗還在實驗的當中啦那是不是所謂的雙軌叫實踐嘛對不對?那你要怎麼實踐? |
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我目前先把基礎打好基礎是我們幫你打好的高金素梅九年當中跟原民會前面的主委但是你要怎麼樣落實賴總統的東西我還是沒有看到啊主委回去再準備一下好不好謝謝你謝謝高金召委的質詢 |
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好,謝謝我們的牛旭廷委員正召委,那我們繼續請黃仁委員來質詢。有請曾主委。有請曾主委。麻煩你,麻煩你。 |
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今天我也很感慨前任的幾個立委在詢問你的時候你都是在狀況外那狀況外還不打緊很多的重要的議題你都是在打馬敷衍對我們原住民的提升 |
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完全沒有幫助而且是向下沉淪所以我特別本席特別提醒你我們從今而後我們不斷的要盯住你對原住民的政策你不要到時候潘孟安我們的總統府秘書長提名你作為主委之後他是饅頭豆花 |
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滿頭豆花你要站在這個位置上上次我也提醒你是全國人在看你有沒有帶領著我們原住民的進步跟發展跟被認定我們的原住民的地位我們地位不是要跟人家戰爭也不是跟人家做比較 |
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我們要回歸到歷史的真相要懷疑真相要給我們一個真正的認同的原住民族在台灣這就是我今天要特別提醒你敬法補賞 |
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請問一下進法補償你過去也二十幾年前你也提到進法補償希望能夠照顧到我們這個偏鄉或是在山嶺的這些原住民能夠落實從幾萬塊、三萬塊而進額到這一次的三讀通過提升為六萬塊陳怡瑩立委還有吳立華立委都同意 |
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我們不分政黨都同意希望趕快進法補償能夠來爭取不在你的預算之內來編列應該在三兆以上來爭取原住民的進法補償是直接的對原住民的照顧 |
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那怎麼會一直想不出來你一直在裡面打擾打擾說我的進法補償是不是在你的編列預算裡面來編列這個26億不對主席數 |
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你不要被主席所引導你的思維你今天要替原住民爭取說既然三讀通過就是要為我們的預算要增加不是在你的預算裡面來編列出來所以這個概念難道沒有嗎?如果你在今天你是剛上任為禁法補償全國裡面的這些6萬塊你是得勝一個 |
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你現在就是要為我們三讀通過的這個議題裡面 |
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要為原住民的預算要爭取這就是你的責任不是到後來是提皮球說因為怎麼樣怎麼樣你要跟業務會要雙向溝通我們為什麼會提高這個 |
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我們訪官現在百工百業百工百業你看一下我們百工百業甚至原住民現在的經濟經濟能力下滑都沒有辦法提升農業農業的這個部分沒有辦法出去光光沒有辦法來循環的經濟造成他們現在的生活處境煤礦業下情何以堪 |
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總統蔡英文承認蔡英文曾經對我們全國原住民道歉的目的在哪裡?就是懷疑歷史、懷疑真相就是要實質要照顧原住民的基礎的一個建設包含他的生活、包含他的歷史還有他的生存的定義、土地的保障今天我們要講的是原住民富裕給我們的原住民保留地要怎麼釋放 |
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第二、我們未來的原住民空間不是縮小第二、我們 |
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沒有反對平埔署回歸原住民的歷史我們沒有反對我們在民國11年的時候我已經在我們在新北市市議會裡面有召開全國的民意代表的原住民民意代表包含頭目齊老的會議針對我們平埔署的回歸的態度表達了我們很多的一些方針 |
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但是這涉入到我們16屬的未來的生存包含參政權包含教育土地的立場那你們為什麼不循著不循著什麼 |
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客家委員會為以前在客家委員會沒有的時候那為什麼他們要爭取客家委員會也因為他們要受到他們的文化的尊重他們延續他們的民族的延續的歷史那今天評普組回來我們沒有反對但是你們為什麼不循著跟客家委員會的這樣的一個政策來做 |
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來做獨立性的然後再來看看他們的預算怎麼編列以按照他現在的人口數來做編列而不是在毀搖到我們16組平定人和三定人的16組請問我們最早的祖先曾經在這個台灣上被罵什麼西華納是誰講的不是我們原住民講的西華納西華納是一個是非常啟示對原住民的不尊重這誰講的 |
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這些祖先過去遭受這樣的民族的不同的文化被抨擊、被啟示、被趕到山上請問現在平埔鼠要回來了那為什麼不跟過去你們跟我們的祖先並在一起接受歷史的考驗 |
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到現在你要去思考這個思維原住民在這個地方我們沒有跟人家要做競爭我們希望給我們的是一個保障對我們的歷史跟我們現在的土地要有一個真正的還原歷史 |
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所以我們常常講說原住民的保留地為什麼要放寬使用你要讓他有自主經濟能力、行款能力然後讓他們自主自給但是有關於我們水源地、散布地之外 |
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他富裕在延期法裡面富裕的原保地應該給他們一個放寬的使用也讓他們有循環的經濟也讓他們跟銀行作為值貸借貸然後去建設他的自己的這些產業 |
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這樣才是實質的可以照顧到原住民的本身的基本生活的條件這就是你的責任我未來我一定會再問你基本的研究法土海法這一些土地的放寬使用未來我一定會慢慢的質詢你以上好,非常謝謝黃人委員的質詢也謝謝曾助委謝謝繼續我們請黃婕委員 |
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7471.53 |
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7475.649 |
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好,謝謝主席,我們請曾主委、原民會曾主委也請曾主委謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
7480.748 |
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好 主委好首先我想要請教一下因為我們今天要談論這個都市地區的原住民族的處境那我想問一下就是說如果我們在還沒有立專法之前現在的都市地區的原住民族的發展方案裡面我有看到一個非常重要的就是我們教育部其實有在都市地區的中小學開設原住民族的文化特色課程 |
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7511.494 |
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那我認為這個是非常好的我看了一下去年的這個計畫是有在10個縣市然後29個學校參與對嗎? |
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7544.028 |
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就一步推了對那我想問一下我們原民會在當中的角色是什麼因為我會想問這個是因為我們高雄非常的特別我們高雄市全台灣唯一一個縣市有16族的原住民族的一個縣市那我也非常重視我看到這個課程認為說我們原民會若在當中有非常重要的角色也有在協助這樣的課程參與的話在高雄是不是也可以大力來推動呢 |
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這個是教育部他是負責一般的學校是那我們原住民是負責原住民地區的這個重點學校 |
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好那我在這邊想要建議啦因為我們高雄我剛也講說我們高雄真的16族都有那我們高雄市也非常積極的在把這個16族的文化也都保存起來然後也希望可以積極的發展所以也希望接下來原民會可以多多重視我們高雄的原住民族相關的與這些文化的保存那如果我們高雄的學校也有來協助的話你們也來積極的來配合好嗎 |
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那再來我請教一下這個進度因為其實在今年的5月6號也就是一個月之前我們院長就有來我們高雄來視察這個國立國家的原住民博物館那這個國家級的博物館其實在高雄也推了10年好不容易接下來要準備要開始籌備了 |
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7630.394 |
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那可是目前還看不到我們任何動工的進度然後也本來也預計說還要到2032年才有機會來完工那我當然會希望說可以提早動工提早籌備提早開始因為我知道其實前期作業已經做得非常的充足了包括可行性評估環境影響評估其實都做得差不多了接下來就是時程的問題不知道有沒有機會提前來完工呢 |
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跟委員報告我們已經在5月29號就已經成立這個籌備這個專案小組而且開過兩次的專案小組的會議我們希望能夠修訂這個研博館的暫行組織規程還有這些他的這個辦事的細則我們希望很快的讓這個這個籌備小組專案小組趕快先做然後籌備書趕快先成立這樣好 |
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所以籌備出現在的進度然後什麼時候可以開工啊我就先告訴我什麼時候動工就好因為我看你們新聞報導是說你們要等到明年才動工是嗎 |
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這個動工或淨土是跟高雄市政府來一起的是高雄市政府來做那我們會密切跟高雄市政府希望趕快的來做這個我們的專案小組成立之後就會很快跟高雄市政府來做更進一步的一個這個讓他速度快一點 |
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好真的要拜託喔因為這個我們都很期待那好再來請教一下這個原住民保留地的開發管理辦法這其實我前兩次的質詢也都有在問那因為這個其實之前我也問說目前這個法律未接過地的問題所以導致這些之前都有一些相關的爭議嗎包括說原保地的流失甚至是有一些 |
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例子是說因為他不當的透過人頭然後會轉賣給非原住民這些問題其實新聞上都有出現那我想問的是我們現在有一個非常重要的希望提升他法律未接的方式就是原住民保留地的這個管理利用條例的草案那之前其實原民會也都希望說要來提升他的法律未接我不知道說其實原民會應該籌備已久才對什麼時候原本要送進來啊 |
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我們現在在還需要我們是有這個版本我們還需要在跨部會讓其他部會瞭解一下這個這個他位階的提升會碰到什麼樣的一個問題所以有在溝通了嗎有有那我想我們希望這個會期下個會期什麼時候希望在這個年底好不好好年底之前把原住民族保留地管理利用條例送進立法院這是我們原民會的承諾 |
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年底送行政院然後我們再來送大衛行政院年底送行政院對對因為還要跨部會的一些協商所以還要再半年是可不可以年底送進來我們立法院這個我們交委也非常關心我們努力啦好啦希望你有魄力一點啦把這個願意的積極度拿出來拜託了好謝謝剩下一點時間我們請谷主委好謝謝曾主委也請谷主委 |
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7830.49 |
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無厭吼好 谷主委好我要請教一下因為其實之前這個客家基本法裡面有提到我們要把客家語言發展法在這個基礎之上也送進來那這個進度我也一直在追那我上一次質詢的時候我是有問到說我們現在行政立法的協調會已經有開了那後來其實有一些比較有爭議的 |
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條文應該也都有處理了包括說之前有一個大家比較爭議的說是不是要有所謂的客家客語發展長這樣的職位還有另外就是說這個客家重點發展地裡面的公務人員的比例要取得客語能力的比例要跟在地的客家人口的比例一致 |
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那這個都是之前有一些地方政府反映說這可能實情上會有困難所以後來你們這個爭議也都有去協調了,對嗎?有協調,但是還是要跟國普府再去協商去討論將有法律在金融部聽案 |
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所以現在我想問的是說如果協調的結果就是如果已經有順利的話那我們接下來是不是就把這些沒有爭議的版本要送進來呢目前吼還有一些一些小小的一些些爭議啦必須要講就是除了這個這兩個比較大的爭議點之外還有一些還在溝通的還有還有還有還有還有所以還有法律案件送來立法院 |
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7899.21 |
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7925.497 |
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好那當然我覺得其實有一些可以送進來我們再來討論啦像是說是不是用鼓勵的性質像是說把這個客語作為優先的通行語這件事情其實送進來大家可以再討論是不是就是用鼓勵性質、獎勵性質或者是說怎麼樣讓地方政府在特定的公部門要一定有設置這樣的客語的單位那這些都是我也希望可以再努力的部分啦 |
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完全認同王議員的看法,用鼓勵我們拿出罰則的部分,不是處罰的方式。是啦,不要有罰則啦,對啊,當然是希望說用鼓勵代替責備啦,因為講母語這件事情不應該是說用懲罰的,那用懲罰的其實只會造成反效果,所以我也是希望說如果可以盡量就是讓你們先去盤點一下目前使用的比例是多少,那如何就是用一些具體的措施來獎勵嘛。 |
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這部分希望我們趕快也把這個相關的爭議處理好之後,趕快看什麼時候要送進來。好,也要我們親快、各界各部份再去協調一下,針對地方的條文還有內地要去貴的,也要我們來處理。好,那看是不是也是可以年底? |
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有機會嗎?因為其實這個溝通,剩下的細節我覺得都已經不是太大的爭議了。那最後一個,這個也是上一次我有詢問的,就是客語輸入法,因為當時啊,其實我在上一次的質詢的時候,有說有要寄信跟,像是跟Apple跟Google他們反映說,我們有一些輸入法, |
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可以去溝通,那現在要再協調,我不知道說這個輸入法的部分,我們是不是也有在技術上做更新了呢?同委員報告：,現在我們在數據的數据法：還有評論：,目前我們很想在9月就可以用的,就可以使用,來完成。是,對,我知道你們其實 |
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對,這個上一次主委也有講過只是說那個iOS的部分,沒錯沒錯,因為它顯示顯智,顯示的問題有困難目前行政院也請其他的部份,包括事發部還有經濟部,去跟內團的合作,去協調當然,如果協調有一個結構之前我們也要顯示的部分,會用圖片的方式,去跟困難的事 |
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財團法人原住民權益保障措施與新住民權益保障措施與新住民權益保障措施與新住民權益保障措施與新住民權益保障措施與新住民權益 |
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好,非常謝謝黃婕委員的質詢,謝謝主委,謝謝。我們待會請徐益臻委員,我們就先休息五分鐘,請徐益臻委員質詢,謝謝。謝謝主席,我們請吳長次。好,請吳長次。 |
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我想請教一下就是民進黨的立委沈伯陽說這個第五縱隊就是不完全是這個中共的間諜也不是可能不是一開始就背叛國家但中共可能威脅在中國做生意或有七小在中國的人 |
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那他說這類的高風險族群有幾十萬人一開始就要管好那臺灣也有可能被中共威脅會為其做事可能在立法院、地方宮廟這些都有一開始可能都要管理好我想請教一下長賜就是他講的這個第五縱隊而且也把立法院放進去就是也把立委這個案子有可能是第五縱隊的成員那請問您到立法院備詢會擔心嗎 |
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跟委員報告,因為實際上所謂的第五宗這個定義我並不是特別清楚,不過依照人民的自由,我想相關權利都要獲得保障。所以針對他說的這個部分的話,他說因為事實上不管是宮廟還有他提到什麼黑幫都是內政部的業務範圍,那內政部有沒有在管理這個他所謂的這個中高風險的族群呢? |
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現在是不是來台工作的這個大陸籍人士都是屬於高風險族群呢? |
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這邊跟委員報告,那個大陸人士如果要來台灣,大家大概有行,比如說在陸委會這邊要審查資格,那我們在這邊是移民署的部分,是針對他的身份的部分,那我們會進行一個 |
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來台的資格調查,會同陸委會。」主要是這樣。他還特別提到,因為這個部分,所以在這邊要請教內政部有沒有所謂的專門的作戰中心來因應這個第五縱隊跟潛在的在地協助者。謝謝委員吹噓,這個,並沒有這個東西。那我想為什麼會特別提到這個第五縱隊,那請問一下這個次長,就是你認不認同這個沈伯陽委員的這種認知說法? |
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這跟委員報告好那我想在立院各位委員都有他表達的自由為什麼我會特別提到呢是因為在內政部的書面報告第一頁所提到的我們以新住民來說有59萬6162人其中大陸港澳地區大概有38萬5026人佔了64.58%那外籍配合人數大概是21萬1136人那我們可以看得出來 |
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超過六成以上的新住民都是來自大陸跟港澳地區所以針對這個部分,內政部在推動各項措施的時候有提到說會強化新住民社會適應的方案那請問一下,會不會以國家安全有高度的風險而以監控為前提進行規劃呢? |
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謝謝委員垂詢我想這個移民政策的部分其實我們是沒有考慮到那個部分因為他的移民的身份的組成主要就是您剛講的有婚姻移民那這個部分大陸跟那個來自其他各國的都佔將近都差不多一半那我想這個在組成裡面我們應該是說輔導新住民如何融入我國如何融入我國的生活那我們對於新住民的政策主要是以這個方式 |
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希望說我們針對不同地區來的這個新住民都能夠有這個不要有差別待遇希望都是能一致的標準來去對待這些嫁到我們台灣來或是融入我們台灣的這些新住民希望能夠不要用這種認知作戰的方式還來威脅大家恐嚇大家我覺得這個部分可能請內政部一定要有特別的這個針對這個不同的族群能夠一致的標準是的我們會來處理 |
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謝謝那接下來我們請原住民的曾主委跟客委會的谷主委尤其曾主委還有谷主委謝謝謝謝吳長次謝謝 |
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我想先請教一下曾主委就是在5月30的時候我們高經招委已經有排過您的業務報告當時您對這個原民會的業務還不是很熟悉那經過了兩個禮拜了那我現在針對您所提出來賴總統的政見跟您請教幾個問題 |
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首先有關這個2023年賴總統請原民會務必神聖積極的處理平樸族證明後續的法治工作讓平樸族的身份認同感獲得保障請問一下上次本席也有請教過您針對平樸族獲得這個 |
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原民族的身份之後的相關的權益。」那上次主委有提到,我也有請教您說,如果準備正名後可不可以買原住民的保留地?主委說可以,但這樣對原住民公平嗎? |
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現在的法令是不行那未來就是說他起的原住民身份之後那麼他的權益到底是要跟原住民是一模一樣還是要有一些這個尤其是土地的部分他們的傳統利益是不是要劃入我們原住民的變成原住民保留地這個還要後期來跟他們來做討論 |
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這個影響非常大所以可能要請這曾主委要好好的來去針對這個部分因為剛剛我想高進稍微提到平府只有98萬人我們現有的原住民才50幾萬人這樣子的一個權益包括說包括你剛剛講的編列預算各方面 |
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甚至進法補償條例剛提到的都26億都還要用現有的經費去做支出所以真的都排擠到我們原來原住民的相關的運算所以這個部分可能要麻煩主要特別特別的用心來處理這樣的一個問題那還有一個問題請教主委就是以雲林為例雲林的平埔族社區有包括搭他禮物、鴻門社、彩禮社、貓耳乾社、南社、邦港社、西螺社 |
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未來平埔族取得身份之後是不是可以主張他們的傳統領域那未來這些區域所有的開發都要跟部落公告進行部落會議跟平埔族諮商並取得平埔族的這個同意之後才能開發嗎?他們取得身份之後未來我們一定還會跟他們做很多的諮商還有就是大家一起來討論後續的有關潛力義務的問題 |
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所以貧苦族證明之後要處理的問題非常多包括上一次諮詢的時候我也有提到的那些問題還有今天提到這些問題所以請你們一定要多多注意接下來我要請谷主委 |
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李燕皓之前陽明交通大學與產學合作之名要把客家學院校區興建商辦大樓,那課委只有在5月1號呼籲陽明交通大學要保存,但是我剛剛 |
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看到你今天的客委會的報告是都會區各族群權益保障措施跟精進方案那有沒有提到這件事情發生在都會區的一個大事然後你在報告第二頁有指到積極重建客庄投入相關資源於都會客家然後推展客家藝文或文化等等在持續在都會區復振客家文化形塑都會客家新貌請問主委針對這個部分您現在有什麼看法 |
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楊明教大一件事,我們支持希望可以保留當地的景觀和美腹當地的文化,所以提貓,所以我們希望在歷史文化地盤可以保留下來,這是我們的立場。在五月7號的時節,其實已經 |
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8595.562 |
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已經終止其提點,全聯電子已經無法部署本在交通太好、在氣、在體力的,所以現在已經結束了當然結束後,我們的立場和全國保留客家基金、客家文化的一致,所以未來我們可能可以跟 |
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所以谷主委的意思是這個目前已經取消了這個新版大樓的這個計畫是嗎?我想這部分的話其實對我們客家的這個文化的保存有非常重要的意義那另外再請教您就是平埔族證明取得身份之後會不會跟客家族群的權益有所衝突?那客委會有沒有進行相關的研究? |
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目前沒有英雄的存在,因為原住民的法案部分跟客家沒有相關,所以現在沒有存在,跟客家的提起沒有關係。但是平埔族過去的部落可能會跟客家族群會有重疊到,所以說可能要請客委會特別針對這兩者的文化在同一個區塊共存共榮的發展好嗎? |
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好,要感謝委員,過去我們針對客家跟原住民有針對客家跟原住民的選法歷史來做研究,互為主體的研究當然,客家跟原住民的評估出也有該度的重疊性的部分,也要我們第一題,歷史當中的第一題也可以針對這部分進一步的做研究,來瞭解,沒問題 |
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感謝委員 |
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財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、 |
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謝謝,請大家回座安靜一下,我們準備開始質詢了。好,繼續我們有請吳祁銘召委。好,召委。與會同仁,請我們原民會我們的主委。有請曾主委。 |
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主委好主委好今天我們來審查我們的原住民族的原住民族主流友善公共空間計畫那本席是都會區 |
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在都會區裡面,我們都會區裡面有很多原住民因為我看我們原住民族群主流化友善公共空間我們4年編了10億 |
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那十一就在我的選區有一個原住民生態公園這個地方相信主委也有聽過還有就是我本席常在關心的就是我們的原住民的紀委所紀委所我們已經我講了已經三 |
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連這一屆已經三屆了那基會所的地方我們是極力的要來推動那本席也知道說新北市我們有提供公有的土地那是不是主委這邊在經費方面要怎樣來統籌包含在生態公園那一邊還有一個很大的戶地是不是我們 |
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安排個時間到現場來看事與基金會的問題因為中央這邊由族委來啟動我看這樣的速度會比較快不然我每次在執行也是每次都沒有下文那這對我們的族人在土城這個地方那也非常不公平因為我們三峽有三峽的山陰部落 |
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他那邊還有過去我還爭取了一個他們的聚會所就在部落裡面那土城這一邊還是非常多的原住民那是不是執委未來我們要怎樣推動會速度比較快因為經費都有了嘛 |
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經費有了我們都要有動作啊那你不然你現在在原鄉的地方已經原鄉的人口絕對不會多於我們都會區的人口所以很多我們 |
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原住民都已經跑到我們都會區裡面那都會區你的融合那你紀委所你沒有設他們要去介於活動中心那就是非常的不方便啦是不是曾指委針對這一點我們要怎樣有具體的動作謝謝委員的指教我想比較快的就是說我們很快的時間就是這幾天我 |
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我下去看我們下去看好看怎麼樣來解決現場我們看是因為如果他是公有地又是符合符合這樣的這個計劃的話我們趕快來協助新北市政府趕快來提報 |
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到時候就由我們原住民委員會這邊來啟動然後新北市的人民祭我們都一起到現場來看那也要求新北市提供我們公有的土地未來我們要怎樣來做一個紀惠所相信這是對原住民大家都比較有感 |
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9417.545 |
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阿斯他們也期待了好多年了不然你每年辦豐年祭啦辦什麼因為在那個生態公園裡面又沒辦法容納那麼多人這樣的話對我們原住民在我們土城這一邊也是有點不方便你三峽有三峽的部落就三陵部落阿你土城這一邊你要過去那一邊還是有交通上的問題這一點是不是拜託主委 |
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9417.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
有的,我們文化部的綜合規劃師副司長,我們有請嚴副司長 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
9440.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9465.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
副市長是針對副市長針對我們的不管是原住民還是我們新住民還是我們台灣針對母語這個部分我看本席這邊的資料有一半以上的年輕人大家對母語的推動的並不盡理想那針對這一點要怎樣去推動讓我們的母語讓我們年輕人還 |
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9468.524 |
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| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
孩子跟了上一輩的語言這是要怎樣推動會比較快還是從學校來招手還是從小朋友還是從家庭有很多的面向針對這一點不然我看這個成績也不盡理想 |
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9488.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9505.495 |
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是,謝謝委員的詮詢那這個部分的話就是目前由本部這邊我們有制定了國家語言發展法那目前也是協同在一從111年起我們也是協同了教育部、原民會、客委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
9507.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
9512.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
本部執行國家語言整體發展方案,5年計劃,預計投入321億元經費,希望能夠整合資源長期辦理國家語言的附贈發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
9525.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
9542.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
他的目標當然重點也是希望能夠提升年輕一代的一個語言能力然後落實語言的生活化然後營造一個友善的一個使用的環境希望就是讓大家能夠在日常生活當中能夠去提高語言的一個應用的機會然後讓這些語言的文化不要消失 |
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9543.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
9563.341 |
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沒有,針對這部分因為你們是寫者專家嘛要針對這部分去讓我們廣泛的我們年輕人他們願意來學習要用什麼誘因這一點就是你們要去考慮的部分好不好那再來本席大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
9565.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
9588.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
針對因為我們文化是在地的知識、記憶的保存那在我的選區有一個煤礦它這個煤礦是一個文化的記憶三峽的立峰煤礦三峽的立峰煤礦它就有歷史還有意識還有科學的文化的價值那本是 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
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9619.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
早期我們農業改為工業的時候煤礦是一個非常重要的一個產物那現在都已經沒有這個煤礦了但是它那個煤礦的地方還有那個地方出來又是我們的國產地那未來這個地方是不是可以把它保存作為一個文化的價值也是一個歷史的象徵 |
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9622.076 |
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| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
跟委員報告一下因為這邊有講到說是不是他是不是能夠去指定成一個有形或無形的文化資產因為文化資產他的一個指定他是需要有一定的程序的包括說可能需要提先向縣市政府提報然後再來去辦理一些文資的一些評估然後縣勘、審議會、審議委員的一些審議通過之後才能夠去做指定 |
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| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9671.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
那目前的話就是委員問到這個三峽利豐煤礦我們的查詢是目前他是還沒有文資的一個身份的不過就是我們的文化資產局他目前他在辦理這個煤業的一個文化路徑裡面他有把這一個三峽利豐的一個煤礦作為一個歷史的記憶點然後就是有在推動一些文化路徑 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
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這個部分的話如果後續這個案子要提報的話他可以先向地方主管機關、新北市政府這邊來做提報然後由新北市政府這邊來做後續的一些評估跟審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9686.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9713.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
好的因為因為我讓你們瞭解一下早期土城這邊有一個海山煤礦那三峽有一個海伊煤礦啊這立峰煤礦也是他其中的一個那因為在民國70幾年都爆炸案後來整個煤礦都全部都封存了啊封存了那邊都是一些開發商開發掉了那唯一剩餘的只有這一個煤礦口啊這個可以我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9714.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9732.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
不管是文化、不管是歷史、不管是教學,讓一些小朋友他們還能夠來記憶一個煤礦的地方。好,那謝謝,到時候我們再研究一下好不好?好,謝謝。好,非常謝謝吳昭蔚,謝謝你質詢。繼續,好,也謝謝。繼續我們請許新穎委員質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9743.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9746.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
謝謝主席本席請客委會古竹偉有請古竹偉竹偉你好竹偉你好竹偉你好竹偉你好竹竹、宋子仁、葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東漢嗎?葳東� |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
9772.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9778.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
邀請原住民族委員會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
9801.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9807.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
9823.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9838.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
他們的客家用錢記錄,他們的客家人現在都希望在福祉他們的客家夠窮,他們的客家夠饒,所以希望在半天昨天他們客家負責任費的不要好到 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
9839.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9845.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會、 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
9860.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9861.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
今天又幾碼嗎?今年又幾碼會賣多少嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
9891.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9893.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
目前,我們沒有一個數量,因為在外面有數千、有年餘的工作,所以我們沒有超過他們的奉獻。 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
9905.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9906.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
若若若若若若若若若若若 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
9936.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9937.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
我希望昨天本應報告, |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
9959.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9967.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
9978.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9986.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
好啊,我應該一家的故鄉住出版條,面拍板。對嘛,方舊說面拍板喔?面拍板。版條跟紀念,我們會說紀念。紀念跟保齡查釋跟問題,跟動動因,沒問題。 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
10006.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
10026.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
以該保齡茶室中毒事件,該動動因以為是板條出問題,但是不會因為板條的問題,撇去儲存食物的縫隙。所以,總主委,您認同嗎?總主委,我還是要請總主委回答,因為新住人就是板條。板條,說到板條,您是最多蜜農,您就是蜜農的板條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
10035.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
10051.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
你姓朱人嘛,又動入名的版條,你們在哪裡提訪?在哪裡向君嗎?就應該說,所在姓朱的姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱,姓朱 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
10052.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
10081.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
主委你也會在新部在11月版條好嗎?當然,我們在台北的世界主委會在新部會在11月版條我們新竹人的原住民他們最多在版條接了到現在我們副縣信牆兩百萬但是六十分之八萬停了我們公委就準備在 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
10082.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
10088.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
若盤,但若盤條最有名就新竹原卸,信不尋。所以,何謂本原政府,即即在結廳內才提前,做得嗎?若維園報告,這件事是我送到議會主席案中的事情,所以我正式有批復新竹原政府,然後告本新竹原政府去 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
10110.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
10113.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
基金會內委主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
10136.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
10145.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
不過我的基金會下去以後,兩個的科目全部爆掉了,所以我應該很擔心,所以其實一百萬就很多了,因為超過了,超過我的整個預算。 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
10157.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
10161.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
你們會參加嗎?總統會參加嗎?會參加嗎?會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參加,會參 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
10187.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
10191.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
三、客家委員會對全國有特色的共產主義及其改變,不僅是共產主義的特色,也做到有動力的人更加了解客家人的動力特色。 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
10215.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
10219.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
客家負責服務也會計劃：有,有,那裡有一個叫做客家創商翻金洋厝計劃,那裡的計劃就是要分客家體系及到歷史的基因、翻金,還有圖書館：用補助的、會奉洩和用辦律：順暢：對,又順暢就是走在 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
10243.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
10244.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
新疆內地方政府、市縣政府、鄉鎮公所在新疆社基網內議會,為全國學習內審查,針對其內容作實質審查。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
10261.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
10266.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
新住民權益保障措施與新住民權益保障措施與新住民權益保障措施與新住民權益保障措施與新住民權益保障措施與新住民權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
10286.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
10292.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
有恰到特色的貢獻就在記區,好嗎?也要全體委員會、內政部委員會照顧,新住民的影響有多大?新住民是比你最高的營地,我拜託了。好,好,神夢,神夢妮嫣,神夢妮嫣。好,非常謝謝徐欣欣委員的質詢,謝謝谷主委。 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
10309.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
10327.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
在內政委員會很好吧聽到美麗的語言美麗的不同的文化的確是非常棒而且這樣的質詢跟對話真的實在是非常的和諧好謝謝讓我們聽到美麗其實我從小有很多客家的朋友還有同學對我在台中縣和平 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
10330.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
10354.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
對對對對對所以我們從小都大家和諧的非常好好繼續我們請丁學中丁學中委員質詢丁學中改書面對嗎好繼續張志倫張志倫張志倫委員也改書面然後黃建斌黃建斌黃建斌委員也改書面那麼我們內政委員會的委員都質詢完畢所以我們現在先處理臨時提案來我們請 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
10358.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
10381.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
這個提案說明有總共一案而已。謝謝。請宣讀。嘉義市客家族群的人口數約有24000人,主要分布在園林、宅、露寮一帶。嘉義市幅員雖小,客家族群數相較其他縣市也不算多,然中央意義是同仁,不應以族群人口數作為其政策推廣之主軸。資本席爭取後,去2023年客委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
10381.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
10403.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
安排客家大戲之嘉義式演出,為後街舞客委會主導之藝文活動在嘉義式演出,為了加強嘉義式客家文化之傳承,豐富嘉義式客家文化多元化,原請客委會在一個月內就如何加強嘉義式客家藝文活動推廣,提供書面報告與本院內政委員會及提案委員、提案人委員、網美會等三人。」宣讀完畢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
10404.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
10427.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
好應該沒有意見吧谷主委我覺得非常好好恭喜也謝謝美會委員的提案謝謝好我們就照案通過看不用休息我們今天中午不休息我們繼續開會我們現在再請蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在請鄭天才委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
10442.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
10471.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
主席、各位委員,有請曾主委。有請曾主委。還有行政院主計總署的副主席長。行政院主計副主席長。謝謝。那個也請原民會的主計室主任。對,主計室主任。好。好,曾主委。那個馬沙魯。馬沙魯,我也好。我好。我好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
10474.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
10485.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
今天你的報告裡面第一章就呈現出從105年到今年度113年度預算成長在112年度突破100億然後這個113年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
10498.048 |
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總共從105到113年度總共增加了34.6億這個主計長我先問主計主任主計主任委員好知道為什麼會成長這麼多嗎成長的項目大概有進法補償是這個項目是你知道這個好我來說 |
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絕大部分都是法律義務支出才增加的當然有一些是經過多年多年的爭取我們看這個104年7月1號博物館法第6條是本席在教育文化委員會審查博物館法的時候特別要求增加第6條要設置原住民族 |
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博物館所以開始籌編經費開始從一直到今年才籌編比較多的經費以往都是一些規劃的什麼那些都所以這是法律義務支出進法補償條例剛才這個主任有提到這是104年12月18號立法院三讀通過所以要感謝簡東明委員 |
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更要感謝高金素美召委當時在草野協商的時候一樣是我們柯總召不同意臨門一角這個有一些故事說來話長所以105年1月6號公布施行就要開始編列相關的這些預算 |
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當然這些預算不應該編列在原民會照理應該要編列在農業部現在農業部才是符合原住民族基本法第21條的規定但是我們還是編在原民會所以113年6月10日立法院表決三讀通過當然要編列這是法例一無之處 |
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我們看這個原住民族語言發展法106年6月44號公布這裡面就特別要編列經費然後也要成立已發基金會也要編列經費然後呢29條政府每年應寬列預算 |
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推動本法所定各項原住民族語言發展措施。」所以就開始逐年的編列原住民族語言的經費這個都是法律義務支出原住民族教育法我們高精素美在教育文化委員會擔任召委設法也是困難重重的困難重重的 |
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在沒有行政院版本的情況之下在教育文化委員會非常困難的當時也要謝謝我們今天剛來的鍾嘉賓當初他在教育文化委員會也有提出草案我沒有忘記你所以這個部分也是一樣法律義務之初我只是擠一條原住民族教育法第五條擠一條 |
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原住民族的知識知識體系建構原住民族知識體系中長程計劃所以從109年開始編預算到113年度編的非常高的預算一億四千多萬元這是113年度 |
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所以我們原住民族的權益尤其是預算就是要透過法律透過法律所以這個部分我們看原住民族基本法20條政府承認原住民族土地及自然資源的權利我們去講土地為什麼要提還是要我們的土地啊被日本日記時代日本蛛絲會社 |
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化為日本株式會社的土地。」日本敗戰之後回到日本他有沒有把這個土地帶回日本呢?沒有啊!帶不走嘛!所以臺堂中華民國政府成立了臺堂臺堂公司接收了這個土地我們原住民族的土地從民國35年就開始繳租金給臺堂 |
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繳到現在還在繳啊在楊仁甫的時代嫁過了一批本席當立委之後從107開始我就開始質詢協調從107、108不是只有一張啊一張還不夠到109、110、111、112不斷的質詢 |
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協調台糖公司、協調經濟部、協調行政院、協調主計總署光這個就三大章了這個協調才推動返還行政院才同意編列所以在113年度先編列了5000多萬114年度還要繼續編列 |
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所以原住民族的預算的爭取很多都是要透過法例然後有的部分是要怎麼樣去透過我們原住民族的相關的這些轉型正義這個就是轉型正義之一我們看這個花東基金、花東低金 |
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花東基金很重要的意義他說落實公務為主、基金為輔但是有了花東基金過去原民會本來有編列部落基會所經費有了花東基金之後全部推給花東基金事實上是違反了公務為主、基金為輔所以本席就開始協調國發會開始協調行政院開始協調組織總署所以 |
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行政院就同意另訂一個花東地區原住民族部落集會所行動計劃就是要人民會增加人民會的移籍部落計劃的經費總共4億多的經費當然今年113年度編的比較少 |
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而且還這個部分當然這個下次還有空的時候還可以再談這裡面是不足的地方好我們看這個都會區今天要談到都會區過去在都會區政府台南省政府的時代投入了很多如果我們現在所知道的屏東的文化會館 |
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當初台灣省政府我在當副局長的時候徵起台灣省政府主計總處的經費大溪的桃園大溪不是有一個文化會館嗎李秀蓮當縣長的時候我去徵起主計總處的經費就畫了一個縣級的叫文化會館 |
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鄉鎮級的以族群為主叫文物館所以才會有這個從基隆、台北市、新北市到桃園、到台中、到屏東都有這個文化會館是這樣來的然後各鄉鎮有一些族群的有這個文物館唯一沒有促成的是哪裡呢? |
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亞美族的,我們經費有給啊,但是沒有促成,讓這個售來發展,所以這個經費族群主流化我就開始協調爭取,召開過多次的協調會,所以行政院終於核定族群主流化公共空間的計畫,所以在113年度開始有了這個經費,所以這個我是舉這些例子啊,要讓曾主委 |
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要讓我們所有的同仁要繼續努力所以這次的禁法補償絕對不可以擠壓現有的預算全部都要額度外的預算這是基本因為它是法律義務支出啊沒有人要去擠壓現有的預算所以上次在這個我們韓院長在主持 |
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協調的時候因為你出任到這個職務不怪你所以這個部分要往這方向去努力共同的努力當然有一些小額的我這邊就沒有寫我今天都是擠這個比較大額的所以有一些經費原民會該不該編?有的不該編啊主計長 |
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像這個總統府設了原住民族歷史正義轉型正義委員會這個預算為什麼不編在總統府呢編在人民會莫名其妙我當公務員30年了從來也沒有看過這種的對不對總統府還缺錢嗎 |
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你要回應就是說我們跟原住民相關的預算現在原民會可以比較看出他的全貌那當然就是說我們這個法律義務的經費當然依法就是要編列但是我們只是擔心他會不會去排擠到其他就是說非法律義務的重大計畫那當然這個部分就是我們要努力只是我們沒辦法確保說一定要確保 |
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主計長主計長你要確保為什麼要講那麼多除了講給曾主委聽之外就是講給你聽了從105年從105年剛才的報告裡面提的增加三十幾億都是法律義務支出有沒有去排擠原來的沒有啊沒有排擠原來的我講這麼多其實就是講給你聽的知道嗎 |
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就是沒有排擠原來的是新增的 |
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我上次也有提到政府超徵稅收幾千億我們只不過是就這個金髮補償來說二十幾億而已以上 |
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二、邀請原住民族委員會、內政部、文化部、財團法人原住民權益保障措施與精進方案。三、邀請原住民族委員會、內政部、文化部、財團法人原住民權益保障措施與精進方案。四、邀請原住民族委員會、內政部、文化部、財團法人原住民權益保障措施與精進方案。 |
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主席、財團委員先進、列席政府監事長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生有請原民會曾主任委員老楚有請曾主委會有主席總處陳副主席長陳副主席長 |
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委員好主委好雖然我們相識多年了過去也曾同事但是今天我們的位置呢我必須就政府的施政來質詢你那請問主委啊那你什麼時候到任的520520520到任你之前就已經知道要到圓明會來了嗎多久之前知道一個月還是半年前我在520之前一點點的時間一點點時間好啦來問陳副主席長一般我們政府的明年度的概算籌編從什麼時候開始 |
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我們從3月開始就進行總體供需的估測然後我們5月17號就把額度匡列給各個部會已經5月17號就把額度匡列給各部會了請問主委5月17號你人在哪裡 |
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五月十九還沒有來還沒到所以事實上呢主計總書在做明年度政府的總預算概算的匡列的時候你到任之後就只能接受這個匡列的預算額度來進行分配是不是這樣是好那請教一下那麼您來受我們卓議院長邀請來擔任這個職務我看到今天你是報告我們賴慶的總統他在原住民的政見那您 |
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接到原住民政見這是總統開出的支票支票兌現嘛那您還是去盤點說要落實這些總統的政見在原住民方面你需要多少年用多少預算來執行有沒有開始盤點了 |
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現在我們跟委員報告開始盤點這個需要很多的經費而且也不是一兩年就可以做的不是一年兩年就能完成的啦但是盤點證件的落實證件需要的預算這是您的義務嘛對不對那你也必須去盤點這每一年每一年假設未來四年你擔任主委要落實總統的證件這些需要用多少預算你要把它盤點出來是不是這樣那請問您有開始就明年度 |
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在既有的框架之內,你開始覺得在這內容上可以去落實賴總統的哪些政見了嗎? |
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有哪些是在你被匡列的明年度而算可以執行的在明年125億的預算裡面我們就一些先獲得優先順位要排列優先的順序來做這個支援的分配當明年度我在請教你這個問題的時候我就要跟你問出那你匡列多少預算要落實賴總統哪些預算在第一年可以做到什麼程度你要有所準備接下來副主席長來請 |
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我們來看一下下一頁這是目前您對憲法規定憲法第74條熟悉吧?是經常你們在主席總書都會告訴我們在朝野協商的時候立法院對於行政院所提預算不得為增加支出之提議是不是這樣?對,對審查預算不得為增加這當中在大法官的四字264當中他說為了防止政府預算膨脹致人民負擔增加你認為我們立法院是不是要為人民勘緊荷包? |
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立法院你認為我們本院是不是要幫人民勘請荷包?立法院有立法院的資權是的所以我們也不宜去增加人民的負擔所以當年在民國79年的時候曾經立法院通過決議要加發半個月公教人員的獎金但是大法官認為這是為增加支出之提議與憲法抵觸所以就無效了好往下看 |
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那麼在4-391號在1995年當中曾經他不是去直接增加預算的額度他是挪用預算總而不願下去挪用科目請問副主席長這樣的方式有沒有抵觸或者大法官的解釋 |
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就是在審查預算的時候如果有去做移動增減那當然就有違背391號的解釋那原因是什麼?是不是說這樣的話政策成敗無所歸屬責任政治難以確立?是不是這樣子?預算籌編權是行政權那行政權要對這樣的預算的執行後果負責如果由立法院不是刪減而是任意的挪條就無法確認責任政治你認為這是不是釋字391的解釋內容? |
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為了落實這些事情,我們是不是在1998年修了預算法?在2019年新增訂的財政機率法 |
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在預算法91條當中,如果立法委員所提的預算案大幅增加稅出或減少稅率時應先徵詢行政院之意見並指明彌補資金之來源。這是預算法91條所明定。在2019年我們新訂的財政紀律法特別強調中央政府包括機關以及立法委員所提的法律案如果大幅增加政府的稅出或減少稅率時應先具體指明彌補資金之來源 |
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請問你過去在足跡總署這麼久的任職期間有沒有經歷過在2019年之前曾經由立法院透過法律提案的方式跟財政局條第5條所違的有沒有這樣的一個情況發生透過立法案透過法律案的立法增加了政府的支出有沒有 |
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透過立法增加政府的支出在2019年之前有對不對這也是為什麼我們2019年要開始訂定這個財政紀律法由立法院通過自我約束不得已法律案的方式立法來增加政府的支出除非你有具體指明彌補的資金來源是不是這樣子 |
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好來我們要請鄭主委來鄭主委往下一頁其實啊過去我們過去談到一個禁法補償齁我記得那時候我們是同事嘛那時候在屏東縣我們是不是率先全國之先就推出了禁法補償是那時候你是支持嗎是你擔任什麼職務嚴明初處長那你的老闆是誰你的縣長是誰曹啟宏縣長那曹啟宏縣長有指示你要做這件事情嗎 |
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有,我們一起來跟我們的族人來討論好,那所以你們有編列了預算嘛是送到屏東縣議會有沒有得到支持有有所以屏東縣議會有沒有三減沒有有沒有增加也沒有他尊重我們行政部門所提出的施政計畫全數通過好,這就是我們今天所要提的如果按照今天通過的在我們原民會本來2023年我們的進法補償是10.5億 |
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但是到2024年因為把基金拿掉全部納入公預算變成21億如果到2025年為了執行立法案所通過的要52.15億請問主委你有時間去籌措裁員嗎52.15億當然他會要說你5月20號就任我們的預算概算在5月17號就已經匡列給原民會了你有辦法去增加嗎 |
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我目前是有,是非常有難度啦。好來我現在主席長,我副主席長,請副主席長最後一頁,最後一頁,請下一頁,不是上一頁,來請問這樣的新增法律案大幅增加支出有沒有先問過你行政院的意見?有沒有被徵詢過?主席總書是沒有被,那你們有沒有找到裁員呢?目前找到了沒有? |
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目前不確定不確定好來最後結論因為主席站起來了我要跟他說的我們原民會的公務預算支出2024年是125.3億如果以進法補償來講佔了42%客委會的主委在那裡可能看到要掉眼淚他全年度預算40億進法補償是他的年度總預算130%如果是新住民的基金年度總預算的支出是4.2億我們這一次所立法增加的額度是他的1247百分比 |
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好,主委,你現在責任很重大,為了要實現淨化補償,我們能夠增進我們原住民的照顧,還有增進他對環境的所付出的貢獻,希望你下次能夠提出怎麼樣在原民會,包括探選各項的收益能力,來增加原民會可以透過這樣的土地的維護,創造政府的收入,可以嗎?可以用來支應我們未來所要提高的原住民的淨化補助,可以嗎?盡量努力好,謝謝 |
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好,非常謝謝鍾嘉斌的質詢,謝謝但是我再順便來說一下雖然這個曾主委是520之後就任的但是行政院在5月20號的時候有發文要求重新調整預算希望原民會在6月20號以前重新報院也就是說我們進法補償是可以在這段時間之內曾主委調整它 |
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再提高他的預算。」這是第一點。第二點,經法補償是依法在立法院通過的。我們通過並沒有要求中央政府的預算增加。 |
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而中央政府在今年度的預算增加增加了一成他總共是三兆兩千億三兆兩千億對於26億原住民的進法補償來講的話少之又少就看看政治的決定是賴清德總統跟我們的行政院長到底要不要依法行政的問題好不好我也補充的說明非常謝謝也請主委你要 |
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思考一下這是你的責任也是你的工作怎麼樣去說服行政院長在我們主計總署裡面的年度預算裡面去挪動而不是要去排擠你現在原民會所提的預算原額謝謝繼續我們請林倩琦委員來質詢謝謝 |
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謝謝張偉還有我們立院同仁還有我們原民會還有各單位的行政長官那我現在有請曾主委有請曾主委曾主委您好您在5月29日但是在5月17號您就來拜會本席那本席大概在跟您的對話裡面給了您一項功課還記得吧 |
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那您要不要現在把這個功課您看現在做得怎麼樣跟本席做一個回應主要是針對文化的部分就是部落跟原住民的文化來怎麼樣來做得更更好還有你也有問到這個博物館的問題那我們想也希望這個博物館的進度能夠儘快然後讓他趕快趕快的有進度之後未來我們持續的對外面對外國對我們的外面 |
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盡量來交流原住民的博物館的交流。」大概是講到這個。 |
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謝謝主委本席早上也看了一下幾位委員對您的質詢那我也感到不知道該怎麼樣繼續下去您連本席在5月17號跟您講了最重要的一點而且你還列在今天的業務報告裡面最前面的這個問題本席應該跟您說過在原民會所有的業務裡面這一點是本席最重視的事情 |
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您剛才完全沒有提到,不知道是當時您是有聽進本席所講的話嗎? |
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您忘記了這個功課是什麼?您剛才講的是本席在內政委員會有提到的事那我相信您的幕僚做了很多的功課但是那一天您來拜會的時候本席跟您講到原民會裡面最重要的一件事情本席關心的您還記得嗎?已經給你提示喔 |
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應該是有關這個是不是有關這個平埔族的事情我剛才已經很清楚的提示是有關於平埔族這個部分那請問您的功課做得如何剛才 |
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從早上開會到現在中間休息了五分鐘那事實上在一些委員的質詢裡面本席也聽到了一些回應但是本席期待這五分鐘您有一些惡補如果沒有惡補的話我想答案會跟早上本席所聽到的一些委員對您的質詢是接近的還是您這邊有什麼要補充的嗎 |
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我關於平埔族的這件事情我要補充的就是跟委員報告因為這個整個的這個當時憲法法庭的這個判決有一個很重要的也有一個很重要的那個主委時間很短所以您講的這個部分5月17號我也聽到了那本席其實早上有些委員很具體的跟您問過了 |
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那所以假設您在推動平埔族群的這個議題上請問您知道明年會裡面的預算是多少嗎?一百二十五億有關於平埔族方面的業務推動我跟委員報告平埔族的這個身份的這個應該你所知道的就是應該要回答本席就是說平埔族相關的經費是多少在明年 |
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如果說是他全部是就按我們所所預知應該是有98萬的話啦那光是只是教育的預算的話就增加到90億那只是教育的98萬到90億喔?什麼意思?就是如果只是來解決他的教育的問題的話就佔了未來就要到90億嗎?對就增加了90億啦明年嗎?明年就要變成到90億啊?如果 |
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如果他來登記的或者是原住民的這個平埔族全部是98萬的話主委我想你有好多的未知我建議您先把早上幾位委員所提到有關於平埔族的這個區塊關於土地的問題、人數的問題 |
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文化的問題、教育的問題各要多少經費先盤點一下然後你必須要知道明年你們究竟在貧苦族群這個部分支出支應多少然後未來這些問題上總共需要多少額度那您必須要去了解一下您自己本身對於這個負擔假設像你剛才講的我只是用你講的話我先不要講它是否正確 |
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從你知道的明年九萬到未來要到九十八億,我不知道你有沒有口誤,這個貧苦族群的教育經費如果是從九萬九十八萬要到九十幾萬要到九十八億,請問你現在原民會的預算如何承載這樣的經費? |
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我不知道你有沒有口誤喔我先講我不知道你有沒有口誤好那早上這些委員問你的這幾個問題你對經費都沒有概念如果有增加到98萬的人口數那光是只是是在講98萬的人口數嘛不是98萬的教育經費嘛變到98億嘛如果是98萬的人口數光是教育的經費我們估算就要差不多要90億了啦 |
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那請問光是這一點你如何承載跟如何處理?因為超過我們的預算很多而且完全會沒有辦法做現在目前原民會在做的事情當然我們要請求業裡面來協助來幫忙現在對於如何協助跟幫忙有概念了嗎? |
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就是請求在預算在編列的時候額度外的需求我們要提出來啊進法補償您知道應該尋相關的方式來做處理嗎額度外的預算我們也是要請求院裡面來協助啊好的那您現在終於有聽清楚了所以應該您可以試圖跟努力的請求院裡面的協助那今天主席處對不起額度外行政院然後 |
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原住民會額度外的預算。」這點是本席非常關心的但是平樸族的功課是本席在您來拜會的時候講的很重要的一件事情而且是您今天在業務報告裡面列的第一項那除了您當天講的憲法相關的內容本席沒有看到相對的具體做法 |
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本席希望你這個部分的功課能夠更具體早上許多委員的指教已經都幫你把答案基本上都匡列好了未來的走向所以你依照這個走向好好的去做我相信應該會有一些解答第二點我可不可以請主席復 |
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我們在113年就是撥21億左右給他透過他的原民基金來執行 |
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所以你用到我們原住民的原住民族發展基金嗎?不是,全部有公務預算撥只是透過基金來發放公務預算撥?請問我們現在的那個綜合發展基金剩多少錢?主委我來跟委員報告一個總數就好了,因為主席站起來了我們現在基金的這個淨值大概45億那可動用的資金大概14億 |
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請問一下2012年當時基金是多少錢2012年當時的這個可動用的資金大概是五十幾億可動用的資金五十幾億比現在現有的資金還要多來減少 |
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可動用的資金是…現在可動用的資金是14億本席在當時在新北市 |
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對,當時這個是100億,原來是100億的這樣的一個額頭所以原本是100億,現在剩下45億請問原住民族綜合發展基金這幾年來是怎麼花的?先給本席一個報告,也給所有的原住民委員一個報告好,我會把我們所有的這個預算、收入跟支出做一個報告給委員 |
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前部族的部分請趕快補足,那部族的部分被挪到哪裡去了,要說明清楚。謝謝,非常謝謝林倩琦委員的諮詢。繼續我們請林一錦委員來諮詢。很少在這看到你,歡迎,我們在教育文化經常見到,謝謝趙偉。謝謝主席,有請原民會曾竹偉,還有客委會古竹偉。 |
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主委好我先請教曾主委本席在擔任台南縣議員跟台南市議員的期間都非常的致力跟關心於希拉雅族身份認定的議題那當時擔任台南縣議員 |
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市長賴清德也積極為族人奔走地狀提行政訴訟。多年過去,憲法法庭也作出111憲判制第17號判決,根據判決的意旨, |
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有關的機關應於判決宣誓之日起三年內。」我們叫原住民的認定要件要予以檢討並修法重點是修法那本席要強調是說血緣是與生俱來的身份認同這件事情也有關於文化建構跟傳承那但是歷史上的錯誤或者是國家的不積極作為 |
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使得留著原住民血液的人沒有辦法在法律上被認定身份。」我覺得這件事情是非常遺憾的。好,那去年相關行政訴訟中,行政法院以主管機關未完成修法, |
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而駁回希拉雅族人身份住進的申請。」那我想雖然判決與法是沒有違物可是希拉雅族是先於憲法存在的那怎麼能任憑憲法下不完備的法律就使他們喪失在民主國家應有的身份認定與權利所以我想既然憲法法庭已經兩年前作出判決那也明確宣示了原住民 |
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身份權是我國人民的概括基本權之一。」根據本辦向原民會進一步了解的是說目前要採取擬據評普專法的方式來回應這個憲法判決以專法的形式我想也更符合評普族群的需求 |
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保障平埔族人的權益,那我想現行的原住民族權益也有所區隔,那同時我想採取雙軌的模式來逐步完善這個平埔族群的這個權益的這種體系,我想也可以有效來控制國家的預算,那負擔他那個 |
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國家預算的負擔也增長它的幅度,也確保資源配置的合理性。」請問主委你覺得我這樣說正確嗎?是!是!很正確!謝謝你!賴總統去年主持原轉會議時也曾表示說要依據各原住民族的客觀需求國家資源分配為原則來回復平埔族群獲得民族身份的相關權利所以我想原住民 |
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原民會的雙軌制規劃考量到明年10月我們就修法的期限就要到了那原民會是不是可以有什麼樣的規劃你目前有什麼樣的規劃或者說你們在三個月內給本辦一個詳細的立專法的方向的這個規劃具體規劃 |
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會,那我們目前在做的是先把這個族群認定先把認定好還有身份也把它認定好那至於立專法這個部分我們會我們現在已經在內部內部做討論也會跟希臘雅族的這個族人做討論讓他整理出來之後會跟委員做報告 |
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三個月內是不是給本辦一個你立專法的方向包括你身份認定的部分的一些規劃的具體的規劃好不好?好,謝謝那你請回,我請教谷主委 |
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所以我想過去你任職台南市客委會主委積極破壞很多的客家文化的相關的活動那並透過走讀、騎腳踏車、巡迴的方式來增加能見度這一點本席真的要給你很大大的肯定 |
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然後我想今天來接這個客委會主委是悠悠關於全國這個客家事務然後我想在上週五有一個客語社區營造計畫交流的觀謀會中有一個分享者他提及說客家人正面臨了數位失落的困境也就是說在數位時代中並沒有一套可以打出客語打字的官方打字系統那它導致 |
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很積極想要推廣這個客家文化的這些朋友們他在輸入上都還得用注音打出客語的漢字甚至還有沒有辦法顯字的這個問題那我想說文化跟語言其實如果要傳播文字是一個很重要的載體所以如果能增加客家文化的這個能見度我想語言的數位使用就顯得相當的重要那相比於台語 |
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有那個帕代義手機的這個輸入法那客語沒有辦法透過手機拼音來打字目前是沒有那據瞭解我想客委會已經有推出電腦跟平板的客語輸入法可是沒有相對應的這個輸入手機來使用那這部分不曉得你有沒有什麼樣的想法 |
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同委員報告：合意非目前意見題的進行：所謂的作得用、合法：也在評論的方式：等於非：來作的問題：來解決的問題：故所謂參與到9月底： |
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都可以用數幾頁來做合法評驗和合法的信任法,做得來,9頁,9頁大就可以完成了,所以以後我們都可以用這數幾頁來做信任法,就大家看到我講法,我講法只要信任 |
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大約多久?今年九月 |
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有客語語音還有拼音用拼音也做到兩種方式都做到 |
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林德福、林德福、林德福委員不在林柱英、林柱英、林柱英委員不在楊瓊英、楊瓊英、楊瓊英委員不在林思敏、林思敏、林思敏委員不在陳冠廷、陳冠廷、陳冠廷委員不在何欣存、何欣存、何欣存委員不在 |
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吳立華、吳立華、吳立華委員不在、莊瑞雄、張瑞雄、莊瑞雄委員不在、邱志偉、邱志偉、邱志偉委員不在、謝一鳳、謝一鳳、謝一鳳委員不在、盧憲一、盧憲一、盧憲一委員不在、陳穎委員質詢。 |
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對應該現場要看一下沒有委員在的話可能助理要趕快先回先告知您好不過沒關係我會給你時間沒關係我們現在請陳英委員質詢謝謝 |
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謝謝主席我看那個副主委今天都還沒有被叫上來我就請那個杜章副主委我們有請杜章副主委還有宋處長謝謝委員好 |
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大家好我想這個希望推動有價值的這個原住民保留地可以在銀行視為有利的擔保品是我從上一屆就一直非常大力推動的事情那我在這個大院裡面總共總質詢有問過三次那我辦公室呢在這個會期呢就開過至少三次的協調會 |
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那在3月9號協調會當時的決議有希望原民會在一個月內修正貸款的要點但是呢到4月9號一個月時間到了並沒有完成 |
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如果說這當中因為時間我可以理解就是說接近這個520交接的時間那你們如果要等新內閣上任再做確定這個理由我是可以接受的啦但是3月9號一個月完成的話呢4月初早就該處理好而且整個進度就會去耽誤到因為 |
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我的後來我去了解原因是你們這個處裡面就是有人在從中作梗甚至顛倒是非我沒有誇大因為這個回去傳遞的訊息真的是太誇張了然後 |
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用這個漢人的思維還有以及就是說原先大家就是說他們他自己既有的那種刻板印象去扭曲本席原來這個利益良善的提案那因為這件事情是我們所有原住民就是因應期盼希望可以被解決的問題 |
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那現在已經遲了兩個月又三天了我比較想要了解說你們處理的同仁是不是大家都理解了這個要被解決的問題那目前是不是還有從中有人在從中阻攔那目前到底這個進度到底是怎麼樣 |
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公園報告 委員講那個有沒有從中阻攔這個我不是很清楚可是處長比較清楚沒有關係 那我的意思說 那現在整個進度來講這個所謂原住民保護地的這個貸款信用保證的作業要點草案我們事實上已經草擬出來大概40幾條 40幾點了 |
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那也主條的在會裡面已經有去討論了那我們是大概在近期可能我們會在一個月內再邀請相關的部會再來看這個草案的條文是不是可行然後有沒有什麼問題需要協調的那我想到時候還是要請委員來指導看看這個內容的部分有沒有是真正可以保障到原住民的權益我想我們是朝這個方向努力 |
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所以就目前來看你們有沒有信心去說服所有的相關部會那目前的狀況就是還有哪邊誰比較有問題原則上我們這個條文我想在實體上它很多都是作業的這個要點的程序 |
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那在各部會來講我想因為我們之前以前曾經有過這個這個信貸的這樣的一個注意要點的一個潛力我們有有針對那個部分來做研修另外就是在增加了目前我們所看到的一些狀況那當然在信保的部分我們的保證很重要啦如果可以的話那我們可以盡可能的讓其他部會能夠同意我們的一些看法跟做法我想在協調上應該問題不大以上 |
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我想這個那處罩有什麼要補充嗎? |
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各位委員報告那這個時間最主要的一個落差是我們這次研擬出來的這個要點是新修訂的這個要點也就是不是按照過去所有過去的那個信用保證的那個要點裡面去做修正我想因為整個立場或整個要協助的這個標的是不一樣的所以呢我們這次重新研擬要研擬一個新修訂的一個貸款的這個要點 |
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最主要的拖延的時間是在這裡我想我們會更謹慎的來處理我想相關的部會當然有財政部、金管會跟銀行當然我們都知道其實這幾個單位有時候很不好溝通所以我希望如果中間有什麼狀況再隨時讓我們知道我們可以再來協助大家一起來協調然後趕快把這個原保地可以 |
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有價值原保地可以受信貸款這件事情我們把它處理好這樣可以造福到我們很多的族人那甚至在未來不管是創業或者在他們自身的這個要購屋或者房屋修繕等等可以或者一些產業的發展推動都可以有很好的結果好謝謝那請謝謝委員指教是好請你們回座那我請那個羅處長 |
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主委我就不請你了但是我請你坐在位子上好好聽一下這個概念因為這一題是我剛剛臨時加進來的不是故意的是因為我很認真聽你們的報告那當然在這個今天的這個賴總統的這個原住民政見的這個報告裡面第7頁 |
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有特別提到這個強化原住民族健康服務這個部分那我想先請教你一個問題你認為因為他的目標有提到就是改善並提升族人平均餘命這件事情我想請教處長你認為提升族人的平均餘命比較重要還是縮短原住民和其他族群的差距平均餘命的差距比較重要 |
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兩個都重要但是尤其是那個差距的部分其實我們也是很重視你回答的非常好那因為我快速的講一下因為同樣的事情我也很鄭重的去提醒了這個衛福部因為在這個105年到109年間呢這五年我先給大家一個概念好了因為我怕這個有小數點的數據大家會亂掉 |
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假設這個原住民的平均餘命跟這個其他族群是差距10歲如果原住民增加平均餘命增加兩歲的時候那其他族群或者是全國我們講全國全體國人的平均餘命也增加兩歲的時候那我們大家平均餘命都提升了但是我們平均餘命的差距還是差人家10歲嘛對不對那我們長期以來努力的都是在縮短我們跟其他族群的平均餘命啊 |
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那現在來再換個角度一樣原住民平均移民提升兩歲但是全體國人其他族群的平均移民減少兩歲那我們中間的差距本來十歲就變成六歲那你可以說我們努力到我們的平均移民跟人家差六歲嗎你不能這樣看嘛所以我今天要導正的 |
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這個觀念就是在這裡那我用一個實際的我們看一下這個我們這個表格就是109年哦105到109年這五年當中原住民的平均餘命提高1.74歲那大家都說你們有發新聞稿比如說因為文件站啦什麼我們就這幾年大家很開心啦我們長者平均餘命提高了將近兩歲 |
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但是我們要看全體國人的平均移民也是提高1.32歲所以這五年當中原住民的平均移民提高的情況不是很單純的就是提高兩歲這個你們有聽懂 |
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另外我們再看到這個下一個表如果我們講到原住民跟全體國人的差距政府公布的資訊是109年到111年當中這三年呢我們的這個差距縮短了1.47歲然後連這個去年的原建法三讀通過的時候呢你們跟衛福部也是拿這樣的資料給行政院讓他們去發新聞稿 |
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可是實際上是這麼單純嗎?好像也不是這樣啊我們看這個表各年齡層在這三年當中平均與移民的差距都縮小了1.5歲那可是再看到下面的一排紅字的數據 |
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這三年全體國人的平均餘命都下降了大約1.5歲所以這三年間縮短差距的背後是全體國人的平均餘命都下降了而不是原住民的平均餘命上升更何況其實這三年原住民的平均餘命其實是稍微減少了0.01歲 |
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那去分析這個成果跟目前情況的時候不是單單用一個統計數據就可以作為依據這是我給你們的提醒那這個是非常重要的提醒因為這個牽扯到原住民健康的實際狀況的調查然後也更深深影響到未來健康政策的一個制定所以我在這邊特別 |
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請羅處長出來導正這個觀念,讓大家了解平均餘命背後代表的意義,不是我們單看原住民平均餘命增加多少,就這樣子那麼簡單。」是,委員說認證的確,有聽明白。好,謝謝。好,謝謝陳茵委員的質詢。 |
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今天登記的委員其實諮詢都已經結束了但是吳麗華委員跟盧憲英委員因為是原住民族的委員所以我特別給他們一點時間也在這裡 |
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發言一下,我們就3分鐘好不好,這樣子對於前面登記準時到的委員比較公平啦,照理說是不可以讓你們發言,但是我今天做召委我就做這樣一個才是好不好,我們現在請吳麗華委員來質詢,謝謝因為下次希望助理能夠監看一下好不好,這樣子 |
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因為現場如果委員不在的話其實就要注意他們可能不會發言或者是可以打電話到我們的內政委員會請議事人員回應 |
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你如果準時到的話我都今天都講滿但是因為您登記的時間已經過期了我也念完了你的名字但是因為是原住民的委員的身份所以我准許你們可以在這個登記完之後再發言好不好不好意思因為我必須要這樣講不然的話以後其他的委員在這邊的話稍微我就很難處理好嗎謝謝好 |
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不是差10秒的問題而是對好好不好謝謝請吳麗華委員質詢謝謝好謝謝主席有請那個原民會的主委跟副主委有請曾主委還有我們的杜璋副主委 |
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13631.147 |
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主委、副主委兩位過去都是事務官那現在兩位都是政務任用所以我相信肩膀扛了很多的責任那過去沒有做到的我希望說兩位可以在你們的 |
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這個任內能夠把一些應該做沒有做到的趕快做好所以我今天其實質詢要就一些我過去關心的還沒有完成的希望呢兩位可以加把勁那第一個部分我就是想要提到我其實在111年的1月呢我有去召開一個原住民傳統建築的協調會什麼原因 |
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以現在文資局他補助很多錢去處理布農族、排灣族、盧凱族的石板屋但是截至目前為止即便是40年前民國73年的建築法就已經放寬我們的偏鄉建築法規但是仍舊沒有任何一間石板屋它具有使用執照 |
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大部分都是臨時頂多是臨時的使用執照所以這邊我曾經在111年的1月我有找中華民國建築師公會跟原民會來召開一個協調會當時的結論是說中華民國建築師公會他們說只要有建築圖說他們才能夠做認證所以不是法規的問題而是從來沒有一個建築圖說那原民會呢我們就希望你們要去研究 |
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要去編這個經費來處理結果呢已經經過了兩年多到目前為止我真的不知道你們做了沒有這是第一個問題那我就不答了因為時間不夠那第二個部分我曾經在112年的7月我有針對原鄉的失能老人編員戶他們要去入住住宿型機構的時候很辛苦很困難所以當時我是希望說 |
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衛福部他已經把補助的費用入住住宿型機構從五千元調高到一萬元那我有請原民會做兩件事第一個先趕快去就未產生經濟效益的原住民保留地認定標準做出來衛福部說他們願意來尊重原民會的認定來放寬那第二個 |
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我也希望原民會也能夠編一些錢跟未婦不一樣去幫忙這些沒有能力的去住宿型機構的這個老人家這個是有感的政策我希望已經過了一年多希望可以給我一個回覆那第三個問題就是說我也曾經開過一個協調會就是 |
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我們有很多的公有土地他增化邊緣保地的時候他沒有辦法原因是出在說他沒有劃入55個原住民的鄉鎮別以至於呢他沒有辦法去取得土地那這件事情其實在全國影響很大簡單的來講像屏東有一個來義 |
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又或者高雄的六規、建三、二集團等等,非常的多。」那他們的這個部分我們就是一直希望你們趕快去修公有土地增化邊緣保地審查作業要點的規範那這個部分呢我也希望趕快給我一個回覆那再來就是我也希望你們就是針對我曾經說過的原鄉大部分的集會所都是民國83年以前的寄存違建第一個他 |
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師兄第二、他要修的時候因為沒有使用執照沒有辦法取得政府的補助第三、他要拆除費用也很龐大沒有自由裁員所以我一直說原民會應該要提出一個專案來統一處理這一些那我也希望說趕快給我一個報告那第六個就是我過去一直講我們原民會有一個專門人才的獎勵要點 |
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大部分的家長都一直跟我抱怨說為什麼只有補助那些碩士博士專利的還有體育傑出人才難道舞蹈都不用嗎我們不是很重視文化音樂嗎我講了很久還沒有像這個排灣女孩打敗41國 |
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他得到全世界民族舞蹈冠軍結果他家長說有沒有獎金沒有我也希望這個部分要趕快修那第七個就是我們的原教法有規定要去做一個各級各類學校他們的棋老還有我們的專長人士他們可以到學校做教學支援人員但是呢這個部分我已經看到了今年113年終於已經有了第一批但是到底他的薪水怎麼算那他的工作的一個媒合他要怎麼樣去學校 |
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以上我想的這些因為時間的關係通通需要編列經費那麼我們8月預計要把預算書送到立法院9月要做細部計畫的說明表時間很緊迫我不知道如果你們今年再不編就是表示又要呼嚨我一年 |
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所以我想這個部分一定要來處理而且這些我講的都跟賴總統的政見有關係那很多的部分我下一次的質詢我再來就這樣也可以提出面好 謝謝主席謝謝主委、副主委謝謝曾主委現在繼續請盧憲英委員也是一樣3分鐘謝謝謝謝趙偉給我3分鐘的時間我邀請我們的主委邀請曾主委 |
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主委吳安很高興我們這6月10號的事我們都通過了那個我們期待已久的那其實我們剛也都有聽到曾天才委員跟我們的召委都有提到所以我大概就不再說應該你會努力完成吧謝謝對因為如果按照你的邏輯你想看看如果按照我們的人口因為我們包山包海的原民會如果100多億的這個預算你覺得應該要增加到多少是比較合理 |
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我想他明年度籌編目前的預算是125億了那當然我們希望...如果你再跟主流社會再講說我原民會這樣一個單位應該要多少億才合理這個因為我們後續還有很多...有沒有算過?你有沒有在稅前算過?拿計算機算過? |
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當然這125億是不夠啦,我們想說還未來還要面對…我算給你看齁,如果說好,如果我們按照人口比例去年是2.8兆的話,我們大概700億嘛你扣掉國防、扣掉外交、扣掉海巡署這些不是我們的單位的話,我們應該如果折半應該還有300多億啊 |
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我跟委員報告,其實原住民族的預算不是只有在研究會,其他的部會也有原住民族的預算我們希望是這個層級,如果他再給我們打折再打折也可以兩三百億,是不是這樣子?那我們基本上應該在700億左右 |
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我今天要講的就是我們課後的老師的問題因為現在都是國小那希望能夠陣列到國中那現在不是之前我們的招委已經把它已經到113年就是追加對不對那我是希望是它是一個對勞基法的一個原則 |
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基本薪資、老計劃為什麼因為我們現在很多大學畢業的原住民學生他們對教育有熱忱他們回鄉服務的時候他們希望能夠投入這一塊希望你可以替他們想辦法可以嗎主委可以老計劃的部分已經解決了 |
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接下來還有我們的很多的我們的原住民文化行政這個部分因為我們建了很多的文物館我現在看是156個各鄉鄉民族文物館那我們其實沒有招考這樣的一個類科其實我們應該要主點編列這些名額在裡面好不好有沒有這樣的規劃目前 |
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目前這個類科、文化類科是還沒有開設這樣的一個課程但是我們現在禁用的這些人也就是雖然沒有公務員的資格但是他們我們先禁用他們未來在原住民族的博物館也能公共聚會是因為他們沒有這樣的相對的一個專業知識或是說訓練可能在推展上面可能就會有一定的落差不是嗎 |
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那而且我們接下來還有國家級的博物館這些類科你不是應該早點去規劃嗎好不好有這個類科確實人數不夠不好意思最後一個問題因為時間的關係我們的社會安全網到明年就是第二期就結束了還有第三期社會安全網那現在是2.8億的投入那我們這個人力的部分你有沒有想該怎麼辦 |
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原來的人我們優先來留任那還有就是說可以多了33名的這個社工督導也希望是從裡面來生然後就會還可以再希望你能夠著手進行這個我們都會原住民這個部分尤其是社工的問題非常的需要很多的人力跟財力去投入可以嗎是謝謝 |
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主委的確是要思考一下這個原住民的博物館要出來了在高雄你們的人員真的實在是要配套的進行好不好這個我也會到時候請一個專案要請你們說明一下謝謝 |
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登記發言的委員除不在場者之外,其餘的都已經發言完畢,詢答結束。委員黃建斌、張志倫、丁學中、高精素梅、莊瑞雄所提的書面質詢列入記錄、刊登公報。書面質詢還有未及答覆的部分,請相關單位在一週之內以書面答覆,並複製本會。本日的議程處理完畢,我們現在散會,大家辛苦了,謝謝。 |
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二、邀請原住民族委員會、財團法人原住民權益保障措施與精進方案。三、邀請原住民族委員會、財團法人原住民權益保障措施與精進方案。 |
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二、邀請原住民族委員會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人 |