| IVOD_ID |
160059 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160059 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-10T10:10:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-10T10:23:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/127fafa562dc97122035b87e75e6ffc8f11452c3877738ca72c2a43b2ce79c50286ec5ce099167b55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:10:18 - 10:23:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長及財政部首長就「因應美國關税政策以維持我國農漁畜業及關鍵產業競爭力之協助措施」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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行政經濟部的郭部長跟中小新創企業署的李冠志李署長好請郭部長跟李署長 |
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面對這個川普這個高關稅的這個海嘯大家都吃怕命 補頓輸頓 大家現在朝野同心我們共赴國難 對不對共體時艱結果沒有想到總統府的副秘書長竟然還在大造謠破壞團結我看這個消息來源應該不是經濟部吧他昨天公開上節目 |
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他講啊立法院減淚了中小跟新創企業的科技應用砍了兩億我請署長跟你報告來 署長有嗎 |
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報告委員 這個昨天我們也是接到相關的訊息他只是想說這個預算的一個討論過程我們也有說明說這樣子的一個過程當中最後在中小企業相關的預算也收到我們各黨派朝野各委員的一些支持那有被刪減的部分是屬於統三的部分 |
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就是在你的這個科目清清楚楚嘛中小跟新創企業的科技應用這個編的18億多嘛一毛錢都沒有刪這總統府的副秘書長顯然對立法院的這個預算審查非常的不清楚第一個 當初為什麼會提要刪減 第二個更重要喔這個溝通過程 這個為什麼後來會撤案因為你們也很努力嘛 對不對 |
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報告你們都有來溝通啊但是報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 |
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法定人數好不好18億18億部長是就這個案子很清楚的 |
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柏定 柏定 其實一張造謠就造了四筆你的預算啦你經濟部你這麼大對不對他鎖定了你的中小新創屬啦他提了四筆預算 我今天就很清清楚楚跟他講他這四筆預算都是有問題 而且他完全不了解立法院整個運作過程第一個 要提刪減跟凍結 當然有理由 這個要看案流嘛第二個 他也忽略了 他不曉得你們 欸部長你們來溝通署長都來辦公室都溝通過嘛 |
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一個案子為什麼會來一個測案那不是只有看上面蓋了一個測案那是一個經過溝通的一個過程那經過經濟部的這個努力他等於抹淚你們的努力他連這個都搞不清楚啊就是你們來溝通我們剛開始是說可能做得不夠好或者要做些改善所以要刪減嘛對不對啊你們來溝通你們說會做好嗎 |
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所以第一個他們總統府完全不了解整個預算的這個過程第二個他們也忽略了你們這個努力跟我們溝通的過程這個案子就清清楚楚本來要3.2億的經過大家溝通完說這個我們會好好做所以這個案子就撤掉了這是第一筆好來我們再看第二筆一樣是你這個單位的這筆預算叫做經濟部中小跟新創企業署的 |
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中小新創企業發展變成3億4千多萬這個本來要 本來是要減去8億多的嘛那經過你們的努力來溝通針對他們的提案理由 我們會去處理嘛所以這8億多 一毛錢 一個月都沒有刪啊 對不對今天 對 對 所以都沒刪嘛 |
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他昨天公開造謠說這個錢被刪掉了一個2億元一個10倍後面他還提了一個第三個還有一個凍結案32億的這個預算就是你們這個中小跟新創企業發展向下的強補助費32億他說我們本來要凍20這經過大家溝通啊凍結有它的理由啊凍結希望你提出一些改進嘛 |
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阿部長跟署長你們來辦公室討論完之後委員會說好那我們達到你們確定會把它做好所以這個凍結案就沒有凍結20%也沒有阿結果他竟然在媒體上面公開講說我們刪了10多億凍結了3億多這都說白刪嗎沒有啦 報告委員他是提統刪啦沒有造謠啦 |
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我想這一部分大家認知上面的界定就是請委員也能夠了解你嚴重誤會 你是在幫他掩護還是嚴重誤會統三是另外的錢嘛統三是另外的錢 現在講的是這個預算的科目都清清楚楚企業發展還有科技應用 這跟統三有什麼關係 |
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你說的桶山是另外的部分現在就針對他認為他只提桶山對嘛所以他認為他嚴重的錯誤所以說第一個他對預算不清楚嘛第二個他不曉得為什麼會提立法委員為什麼會提這個案子他來看案由嘛第三個他要看我們溝通的過程嘛 |
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我們已經溝通好了所以才會測案啊一般總會出現測案如果溝通無效我們沒有感受到你的誠意沒有感受到你為人民是要解決問題的這個就不會測案了嘛大概是肯定大家要肯定經濟部的努力肯定立法委員提出要幫人民勘緊荷包而且要解決問題嘛結果他沒有從這邊不一樣的思考所以他不只嚴重誤會嘛最後才說他是誤解那我今天要問的好我們把他的誤會跟他的誤解對立法院不了解我們今天把它講清楚了 |
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因為我要問啊他造謠資料來源是你們嗎?為什麼講的是你們? |
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沒有嘛對不對他是就那個統三後的結果來說明這件事情時段不一樣時空不太一樣這個委員我想這個也不是說他在造謠啦我想每個人對一件事情的認定可能會有時差有時差啦譬如說我們現在來討論昨天以前的事情 |
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那跟今天的情境就會有很大的差異嘛齁 古年常常在說32%的事情啊 現在就沒有 現在變10%嘛齁 我想這是時間的問題啦 請這個委員可以了解啦所以那個總統府的副秘書長 這個張端涵還活在時空背景完全不一樣 他還活在過去那過去一個我們這麼努力 |
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這麼努力已經撤他的案子他竟然還拿出來講時空錯亂了嘛第二個我今天要講的是他嚴重嚴重的他是閉門召集還是對立法院的不了解還是造謠所以我們很清楚的我們很清楚博定你一定要幫他圓一個地方你一直在講統三我先跟你講一下博定你不要一直把統三掛在這裡他講的這四筆都是你經濟部跟統三無關的預算啦 |
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你等一下再詳細看這四個我剛剛已經列給你聽了這四筆跟統三都沒關係所以我們會非常嚴正的不是只有譴責我們要求總統府要求總統府要更正要道歉那今天我也更進一步的問了經濟部的你們不是供應者嘛對不對這是他自己閉門召集的嘛所以他更應該進一步的趕快要澄清要道歉那一樣喔 |
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一樣喔 以前都是一條龍狩猎喔總統府講完 或者部會首長講完之後他們下鄉就開始講了喔你們以後被問到你們下鄉被問到 你們幫我們解釋清楚喔不要讓人民以後被誤解 好不好被誤導謝謝委員好我請到 請到農業部長好 可能要加快好 加快 謝謝加快問 委員長委員長 我知道這幾天很辛苦 你都下鄉了啦我問你這個 現在我們的農漁民啊 |
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看起來蠻緊張的啦你昨天你有感覺嗎 對不對你跟他們在座談這個過程他們說啦這個零關稅啊衝擊會非常大養殖協會的歷史上在那邊說哇 只有聽到零關稅啊很多人嚇到 |
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嚇得要死那你在跟他們溝通的過程裡面我相信你們接到他們很多的很多的聲音了養殖協會理事長在這裡說他說啊不要講零關稅關稅我們稍微降一點點肌肉這個進口商啊就會大量的這個解禁產業少的關稅保護以後會措手來不及措手不及養殖協會理事長這位老朋友啊潘連柱跟他說 |
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他說雙邊談判不能夠犧牲農民假如真的是零關稅進來那對整個養雞跟養豬會一敗塗地另外講到一個重點就是我現在要特別問你的美國他們在要求要把美豬進口的產地就是美國要拿掉對不對要把瘦肉精成分要拿掉對不對這個你會讓步嗎政府不會讓步吧 |
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我跟委員報告就農業部主管的部分包括整個產業上面來講我們未來跟美國任何的一個談判絕對是會保障我們產業的穩定發展確保農民的一個權益這是一個大前提在這個大前提之下才會去談後續的一個關稅的調整那關稅的調整也一定會考慮到 |
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雙贏的一個局勢就是說我們有些產品是美國進來是我們是沒有什麼生產的像黃小玉很多部分都是從美國進來的他可以協助我們降低一些成本所以我們在談判的時候不會犧牲農民這是一個非常大的一個前提 |
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現在就是總統宣布了從零關稅開始談嘛是所以我們農移民現在都緊張啦你說看得出來這個都是很大咖的這個協會的理事長都出來說嘛養豬協會對不對我也跟他們也講過了總統所講的零關稅開始不是說所有東西都零關稅然後總統跟院長也一直強調很多東西都是農移民優先所以在關稅的談判過程中 |
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絕對不只有農產品在談所有的貿易產品都會在談但是我們農業本身一定因為兼具有糧食安全的責任所以我想大家都認知到這一點而且這點有高度的共識我想我們一起努力來做這方面的事養殖協會的理事長邱石恩一直在講不要講零關稅啦稍微降一點點那個整個雞肉市場那個影響就很大了所以要 |
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要挺住啦,我是覺得要幫我們農民民要多爭取,這是第一,好不好?要爭取,不只不要零關稅,就很多關稅不應該動的就不要去動它了,對我們衝擊太大,好不好?另外,我剛剛特別講那一點就是他們美國,我知道美國一直有壓力 |
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美豬的這個產地還有瘦肉精的這個要拿掉這個你要挺住喔這是嚴重影響到我們健康跟食安沒有我剛才我跟委員報告剛才我在接受訪問的時候我也強調了就是我們的所有的很多產品都有原產地標示不是只針對美國也不是只針對美國的豬肉 |
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那原產力標是一個重要的就是讓消費者知道他的吃的東西是來自於哪個國家這是讓消費者吃的權利這是我想我們的態度是一致的是用這樣的方式 |
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馬上馬上所以部長美國那邊是有壓力一直要把這個拿掉對不對把原產地這個拿掉還有瘦肉精這個拿掉我想他們我們現在所看到的是他們的貿易障礙裡面的報告那是一個官方的一個報告我想大家都所以是壓力很大啊所以我今天才會問了三次要挺住啊我們會堅持嘛對不對 |
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對 我想我們一定會配合政府的整個政策去捍衛整個農民的權益跟確保產業的發展這是一個大前提跟大原則這影響到我們的健康跟食安喔要挺住好不好我們我相信全民跟立法院都會認可啦好不好我們一方面現在就是一方面就是美國當然會開他們的清單出來可是哪些地方我們不能讓特別是健康跟食安我絕對不能讓好不好挺住 好 大家謝謝好 好 來 謝謝 |