| IVOD_ID |
160022 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160022 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-09T10:35:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-09T10:47:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/984603a5a250cdce92d0f51bbda077eba9dd72f8e909e22303873e74607c39c2a54079fb70ee7d1b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:06 - 10:47:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長對於「勞動部所屬基金違規使用如何追回及究責」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席好啊我們請部長部長請 |
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吳長好我請問你你上次在這裡說育嬰停留領不到是口誤對不對 |
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但是產檢家、陪產檢家確實是受到...馬上又補了另外一個謠言就包含你在那天在板橋大罷免宣講的造謠的會場講得慷慨激昂你能不能重複再講一次總預算對新手爸媽會有什麼影響就是產檢家跟陪產檢家是有被砍 |
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這不是謠言 這不是謠言 這是真的所以這個預算編在哪裡這個編在這個我們勞動平等勞動條件集就會平等的相關的預算裡面那今年編多少 編多少錢8500萬好 那獎補助費有三減還是凍結有凍結有三減也有凍結 哪一筆 |
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沒有刪也沒凍檢啊委員有哪一筆啊 你講委員 刪檢被刪了八百凍檢應該凍了一千九 大概兩千我看到這邊資料怎麼只有六百勒委員你的資料不是很正確 |
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三減 院會三減的部分是啥2185三減 三減了800凍結凍了將近2000所以一定會影響到賠產減價相關的薪資補貼這是為什麼會影響到新手爸媽的權利的原因 |
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所以我們勞動條件及就業平等師業務一共編了9714萬元那我這邊資料是你是講統三的部分嗎就是這一項裡面被刪了800萬跟被凍結了2000萬左右但是裡面有8500多萬就是用在產檢價跟賠產檢價的薪資補貼所以一定會影響到的 |
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所以影響多少 這樣影響會多少在下半年我們相關的這些津貼的合法商一定會影響到的在下半年 那前半年不會 |
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我們其實當然希望都不要影響到新手爸媽的權益但是很遺憾的是就是會影響到你們有為這個事情提出來了嗎有沒有提出這個意見你們的意見我們在之前其實就已經要提出來說這筆預算是關乎新手爸媽的權益可是現在就是會影響到了所以我沒有在造謠這是真的會發生的事情那你趕快提出來啊 |
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你不要在外面講嘛那你是不是可以馬上我們不是只有在外面講所以我們提出復議可是復議被否定你不能做追加嗎所以那時候我們在委員會行政院提出復議可是很遺憾復議被否決不是我是說你為什麼不在委員會來提 |
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因為這個是一個整體的影響所以當時行政院是提出複議的方式但複議被否決啦我們希望透過複議能夠爭取這些相關的預算能夠再有多討論跟審議的機會可是在複議被否決啊那這邊不能提我就要問你 你不要再講到院會嘛 |
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這是一個整體的你不能 你不能提解凍嗎所以我們要說第一個確實那個煽動是有影響的第二個是我們也想解決問題那你應該在這邊提出來嘛對不對你如果有這個問題你是不是現在要提出來我們當然希望跟各政黨能夠再做一些討論如果你真的是為了這個我們年輕人著想那你為什麼現在不趕快做這件事情 |
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我們是為了年輕人才好所以編列這個預算所以不希望這個預算當時被這樣煽動所以你為了影響年輕人你要繼續處理這個問題就一直喊就好我們沒有喊我們所以當時提出的副議啊你要不要做嘛我們提出了副議但副議都要提出來啊什麼時候要提出來嘛 |
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你不要講婦嬰婦嬰已經否決了對不對婦嬰否決就是讓人遺憾的事情那你現在咧現在咧我們是不是有講過你如果有自在難心你是不是可以提出來是所以我們提出婦嬰什麼時候你講那個廢話還在婦嬰現在廢話就沒婦嬰就已經結束了還在還在要繞回去怎麼可能呢你還在還要繞回去還硬喔 |
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委員這不是硬喔那你現在怎麼處理嘛我們當然可以我們接下來可以大家再做跟草野各界來做討論你可以提出來啊叫你提出來什麼時候要提出來嘛 |
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我們這個相關的案子 我們會跟行政院來討論一定要提上面 你自己不會提 討論就對了沒有一次討論不提要等上面指示 你們可以講才講是嗎要等大罷免結束之後 你們再來為年輕人來著想是嗎還是這個事情你要來利用一直燒 燒到大罷免結束我們正式為年輕人著想 所以當時才不需要你如果真的是想要處理事情 |
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這個三點跟凍結是事實事實我現在沒有說不是事實這個三點跟凍結是事實年輕人心腸敗亡的權益被影響是事實你要不要提出來解要不要提出來解嘛所以當時為什麼我要提出來解你就閉嘴那麼我現在問你的是你現在什麼時候要提出來 |
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我們會找適當時機會來提相關還可以再做的做法只是我們必須表達確實這個刪減跟凍結就是事實好 那我現在問那你盡快好不好那我們問審計部一下救援好救援基金裡面7224萬元用途不符本來就是用途不符為什麼要給我們的報告改成關聯性不高 |
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跟委員報告就是我們跟審計部發的審核通知跟勞動部的歷次的申付其實這兩個用詞都有在用為什麼要臨時蓋嗎沒有我們只是把它文字再重新整理 |
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所以是你的意思沒有 我內部在校對的時候就覺得所以你認為這個說法比較正確沒有 就是我們等於是大家一個比較雙方都可以共同認同的說法你113年底給財政委員會的報告也是寫用途不符那這一次是誰叫你改的沒有 這個原來我們就內部在校對就做這樣的處理 |
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那個用途不符就是用途不符改幾個字不反我用的事實會改變嗎不會那現在就是欲蓋彌彰嘛對不對把事實呈現給大眾有那麼難嗎 |
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我們從這個案子我們調查跟揭露還有移送檢調在後續偵辦還有呈報監察院的我們都是按照我們查核發現的證據完整呈現給相關的單位我們沒有任何掩飾那救援基金濫用的部分為什麼你用檢列不是用剔除 |
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其實公文包因為現在113年度他的決算已經編我們現在在審決算所以這個追討手段可以用剔除直接進入強制執行嘛檢列腳褲是由財政部追討那如果只做檢列就是財務審計做個樣子而已嘛 |
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這個兩個 顧委員報告我們其實修正決算7224萬餘元修正這個都要增列其他應收款這個事後都還是要追蹤腳褲的那實際動作呢 你要怎麼做 |
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後續一樣這裡面其中有包括有涉及個人財務責任部分我們還是會追究你們怎麼追究一樣就是等判刑有一部分涉及財務責任有送了嗎那個部分移送法辦的部分判決確定我們還是會追究個人的財務責任 |
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好 那你這個要多久這個司法判決這個部分我們比較不容易掌握因為現在以那個北分署的案子現在目前是甄決起訴所以可能在法院那邊處理所以這個部分我們就會靜待司法判決確定我們會後都會繼續追蹤好 那你看 |
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進度喔 我想你大概每個月跟我們報告可以嗎我們盡量啦 因為這個恐怕因為涉及這個根本沒辦法 這包括我們移送給檢調部份就涉及司法行政責任部份 另外一部分是監察院在調查中你已經送了沒有 還沒送這兩個都送了已經送了是不是 都送了那我再請教部長你發新聞稿說 |
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編公務預算要把許民春演唱會還有他拍沙龍照這些不法奴用的錢補回來對吧補回基金嘛你有講過嗎 |
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我們說的是說如果要 我的說法是如果要跟個人來追究決策者的責任的話我們會配合檢調跟司法局追討那這筆錢怎麼補 你在基金裡面拿出來的錢怎麼補現在按照審計部給我們的這個審核的通知是要我們修正簡列 |
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修正減劣追回那按照修正減劣追回的話他的其實意思是他不應該用在救安基金但是應該是用在公務預算裡面所以在過去相關的判定裡面在還沒有公務預算的時候他就已經可以用掉了嘛那你現在用公務預算去補對不對你的意思是這樣嗎這個是過去如果被判定修正減劣追回的話的做法之一 |
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他只是減劣嘛 那你現在我的意思是說你是不是要準備用公務預算去把它補回來這個是做法 只一旦具體的做法我們還可以跟審計部跟主計處再來討論因為審計部劣 減劣就是認定這個動之不合規定我們副審計長我這樣講有錯嗎減劣就是認定動之不合規定嘛 對不對 |
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好那你現在說那你現在要怎麼樣用怎麼樣用納稅人的錢去補回來的我還是要跟委員說明勞動部是一個行政部門我們必須要依照審計部的審計結果跟相關的規範來辦理那審計部判定的就是修正減劣跟追回所以過去在這做法上面所以這樣是合法就對了哪一個事情是合法就用公務預算補就是對的 |
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過去在如果被做這些相關的判定的話編列公務預算來規定是做法之一 |
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那如果這樣子的話我們用納稅人的錢來去補這筆錢你認為合理嗎所以我剛才跟委員說明具體的做法當然我們還願意跟行政院跟審議部來做討論可是確實當時在新聞稿裡面寫說編列公共預算來歸電這是過去被判定相關的類型的時候他的做法之一 |
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我希望你們這個部分一定要給我們國人一個好交代把它講清楚絕對不能說如果有違法的部分你們一定要依法來追究來做處理如果有違法的部分尤其如果是司法判決的話我們當然會依照司法判決來追究好 謝謝 |