| IVOD_ID |
16000 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16000 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
23 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-12T08:30:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-12T16:44:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:13:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea38aadac80e2e3f8078ed6b004bfe7ee619186e52af124432c31bd34f5af47ab25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具「新住民權益保障法草案」案。二、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「新住民基本法草案」案。三、繼續審查委員張智倫等18人擬具「新住民基本法草案」案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具「新住民基本法草案」案。五、繼續審查委員蘇巧慧等26人擬具「新住民基本法草案」案。六、審查委員王美惠等19人擬具「新住民權益保障法草案」案。七、審查委員邱鎮軍等27人擬具「新住民基本法草案」案。【第七案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:01 - 16:44:00 |
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那個內政部的書面報告一直到今天早上才送來因為我怕召委會問這件事情因為召委當中他屈辰了,從上個禮拜我就要問大家的報告來了沒他們當時很晚弄,因為我們開會當時大概一半到下午 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案 案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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2000.714 |
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2013.306 |
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繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。五、繼 |
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2299.684 |
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好,我們請主任秘書報告出席人數。報告委員會出席委員11人以主法定人數。現在開會進行報告事項,請宣讀上次的會議議事錄。 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
2302.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2307.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議．事錄．時間113年6月5日星期三上午9時3分至下午5時35分。113年6月6日星期四上午9時3分至12時41分。地點紅樓202會議室出席委員蘇強慧委員等14人。練習委員羅敏采委員等24人。練習官員6月5日 |
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2324.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2344.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
內政部部長劉世芳及相關人員、行政院打擊詐欺辦公室主任李憲明、數位發展部政務次長林怡進及相關人員、法務部政務次長徐錫祥及相關人員、國家通訊傳播委員會主任林樹黃文哲及相關人員、金融監督管理委員會證券期貨局副局長黃厚明及相關人員、司法院刑事廳副廳長陳信齊。 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2345.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2365.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
6月6日海洋委員會主任委員管碧玲及相關人員法務部法治司副司長謝志敏、主席吳昭季委員起名。報告事項一、宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定。討論事項一、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案。審查行政院和勤審議、台灣民眾黨黨團及委員陳廷飛等16人分別擬具詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案。 |
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2366.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2381.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
討論事項一、二和並詢答民眾黨黨團代表委員黃珊珊、委員王美惠、陳亭飛說明提案要旨。內政部部長劉世芳報告委員蘇巧慧等24人質詢。分別由內政部部長劉世芳及相關人員、數位發展部政務次長林怡靜及相關人員、 |
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2383.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2409.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
國家通訊傳播委員會主任秘書黃文哲、行政院打擊詐欺辦公室主任李憲明、金融監督管理委員會證券期貨局副局長黃厚明、法務部政務次長徐錫祥、司法院刑事廳副廳長陳信啟﹑答覆說明。登記發言委員除不在場則外其餘均與發言完畢,詢答結束。委員中嘉賓李博毅、羅志強等3人所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報。書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關機關於一週內另以書面答覆並複製本會。 |
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2412.014 |
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2429.722 |
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決議詐欺犯罪危害防治條例草案等三案。一、第8條、第11條至第13條、第20條、第44條、第49條及第57條均於保留。二、名稱第一章章名第一條至第6條、第二章章名第一節結名第7條、第9條、第10條、第二節結名第14條至第19條、第21條、第26條、第三節結名第27條至第38條、第42條、第三章章名第45條至第48條 |
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第50條、第4章章明、第52條至第55條、第5章章明、第56條、第58條均照行政院提案通過。三、第22條、第23條、第24條、第25條、第39條、第40條、第41條、第43條及第51條均修正通過。修正條文請參閱。 |
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2474.087 |
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十二、台灣民眾黨黨團提案第39條至第41條第4節解明第46條至第50條第54條第67條均不予採納。審查通過之條文條次引述條文之文字及相關法制用於授權主席及議事人員處理。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2502.55 |
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併然審查完均擬具審查報告提報院會討論需交由黨團協商並推請務召集委員齊名於院會討論時做補充說明。通過附帶決議五項。二、宗教團體以自然人民益登基不動產處理戰刑條例。審查委員張家俊等21人委員吳啟明等19人委員王美惠等17人委員林黛嬅等18人及委員陳廷飛等16人分別擬具《宗教團體以自然人民益登基不動產處理戰刑條例》第五條條文修正草案案。決議 |
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一、第五條,照委員吳啟明等19人、委員張家俊等21人、委員陳亭飛等16人提案通過。二、並按審查完具寧具審查報告提報院會討論,不須交由黨團協商,並推請吳昭記委員齊明於院會討論時做補充說明。三、海洋保育法草案。繼續審查海洋保育法草案案即18案。決議一、第四條、第九條、第十二條、第十三條、第二十三條、第二十九條均照行政院提案通過。 |
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2541.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
增訂第4條之一以下條次依序遞言條文及條文內之條次調整授權議事人員處理。三、第6條、第7條、第8條、第14條、第19條、第20條修正通過。第21條及第22條均修正通過。修正條文請參閱。 |
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2556.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
委員楊瓊英等20人、委員羅廷偉等18人提案第34條、委員羅美玲等17人、委員莊瑞雄等20人提案第29條、台灣民眾黨黨團提案第35條、委員賴瑞龍等18人提案第28條及委員吳啟明等18人提案第29條均不予採納。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2591.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
審查通過之條文條次引述條文之文字及相關法制用與授權主席及議事人員處理。並然審查完据擬具審查報告提報院會討論,不須交由黨團協商,並推請無召集委員齊名於院會討論時作補充說明。通過附帶決議八項。宣讀完畢。上次的會議議事錄有沒有錯誤或遺漏的地方? |
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2595.154 |
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好謝謝那我們議事錄確定我們現在進繼續進行討論事項請宣讀 |
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2624.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
繼續審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案。」繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團委員張智倫等18人、國民黨黨團委員蘇巧惠等26人分別擬具:「新住民基本法草案。」審查委員王美惠等19人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案。」審查委員邱振軍等27人擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。」宣讀完畢。 |
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好,我們現在介紹在場的委員還有列席的官員。我們先介紹王美惠委員。謝謝。張宏祿委員。黃婕委員。羅美玲委員。李博義委員。 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
還有張智倫委員、徐宇珍委員、麥玉珍委員。接著我介紹一下今天列席的官員。內政部部長劉世芳、移民署署長鍾景坤、移民事務組組長黃玲玉、 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2700.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
民政司專門委員劉立芳。宗教及理智司專門委員唐耕生。國土管理署駐在發展組檢任政工程師張瓊月。警政署副組長甘延明。大陸委員會法證處處長周明瑞。港澳盟葬處專門委員蔡碧嘉。 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
2703.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2728.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
行政院外交國防法務處副處長陳永志教育部終身教育司副司長嚴寶月高等教育司專門委員郭嘉英師資培育及藝術教育司專門委員劉鳳雲國民及學前教育署原民特教副組長林淑明 |
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2730.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2750.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
衛生福利部社會保險司專務委員陳淑華社會救助及社公司檢任視察王燕晴社會及家庭署科長陳昭帆勞動部勞動力發展署副署長鍾景濟經濟部投資促進司經營參事黃清雲國際貿易署檢任秘書簡賢英 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
2760.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
2787.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
農業部漁業署檢任記證邱怡賢。外交部條約法律司專門委員黃仁良。領事事務局簽證組科長陳冠廷。文化部中橫規劃司副司長嚴榮興。法務部參事廖江憲。司法院司法行政廳法官林怡靜。 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
2789.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2818.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
交通部交通產業發展及國際事務司副司長林茂雄公共運輸及兼領司檢任記證王基洲國家發展委員會社會發展處專門委員謝偉智人力發展處科長黃淑婷考選部專門委員翁謙惠世衛發展部資源管理司司長劉信仁 |
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2820.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2844.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
國家通訊傳播委員會電台與內容事務處副處長陳書明。行政院人事行政總處主編人栗處專門委員張雅惠。行政院主計總處公務預算處檢任視察李培元。基金預算處專門委員戴群芳。 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
2846.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2868.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
現在另外再介紹一下我們的另外召委吳祁銘召委也在現場。我們現在請提案委員說明提案,因為今天有兩位委員提案也進來了。我們先請王美惠委員做提案說明。 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
主席,大家好,保證好。今天,因為,我估計,長久以來,我們對新住民在這裏,雖然家庭不是這麼多,但畢竟,我們也要照顧他的管理。我估計,我們住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
2901.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
在這裏面,我們會覺得今天要審新住民的新住民已經在台灣有將近65萬人我們的關注人56萬人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
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我覺得這個措施是非常多的。而且這裏面本身有提及要如何讓新住民的權利保障。在這裏我覺得我們國內不能忽視這個重要的造型。雖然我們國內還要很多的看到,各種的新住民有覺得風氣詩。 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
新住民也因為相關的資源的欠缺常常造成無法融入我們國內的社會造成很多障礙。有一些對新住民造成困擾也會讓社會更加撕裂,對台灣來說不是一個好事。為了要保障新住民的權利,我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
2973.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
2978.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
政府和新住民的政策和法定,一定要 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
2980.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
制度好好糾纏,因為我認為長久以來這個系統性的調整本身是有能力新住民權益保障法依新住民,可以融入台灣中華民國的社會,讓台灣中華民國成為一個更加多元競爭力更加強的國家。 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
3007.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
3019.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
在這兩天我覺得長久以來我們的新住民在地方看到他們的臉頰、他們的臉頸所以我們不管時代一種都會覺得說這些新住民我們要去補充但是補充當中我希望我們的補充要怎麼補充這些新住民可以我們的法會更加安全 |
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| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
到學完畢,不是說跟我們再找公共的,跟他的秘書是說實在的,我們看到他的做法,看到他回到的困難,是最重要的,將來我們也能 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
3073.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
讓這個新住民覺得看出小英總統被當的延續的賴清德總統對新住民的照顧和幫助,因為我們尊重每一個的意見。但是在這裡面,我要先關心,因為在上面我們主席也有說,我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
3090.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
內政會所提出的條款﹐可以學完畢﹐學好﹐我們在這也覺得說﹐在這個管理當中﹐ |
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| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
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說實在,我覺得有的人說,我們都沒有關心新住民,讓我們這樣突然聽起來,心肝非常艱苦。我覺得每一個族群,我們都要去訪戰,要去照顧。但不是說,你自己新的新住民,你就照顧你的新住民。是要怎樣來這個權利保障,讓他多轉好,以上。 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
3134.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
好,非常謝謝美鳳委員的這個提案說明,不要緊,不要緊,不要緊,不要緊 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
3142.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
本日會議審查法案 夜經本會113年4月29日第11屆第1會期第15次全體委員會議詢答結束。 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
3163.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
3183.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
針對新增第6案還有第7案單位的報告,我們請委員自行參閱並刊登公報。報告委員會,我們現在繼續進行法案審查,請宣讀討論事項第6案還有第7案的條文,修正動議,請一步宣讀。宣讀完畢後,我們再進行協商。謝謝。 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
3213.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
法名稱委員王美惠等提案新住民權益保障法委員邱政軍等提案新住民基本法第一條委員王美惠等提案為保障新住民之基本權利協助新住民適應生活加強照顧新住民家庭營造友善移民環境特制定本法委員邱政軍等提案第一條為落實憲法保障多元文化精神保障新住民之基本權益並對其教育文化衛生醫療及社會福利予以保障輔助並促其發展及族群融合特制定本法第二條委員王美惠等提案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
本法所稱新住民定義如下。一、一日出國籍移民法外國專業人才延攬及僱用法香港澳門關係條例或台灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例在台居留、永久居留、長期居留或定居者。二、一國籍法申請規劃為我國國民者。三、一國籍法第二條第一項第一款或第二款前段屬我國國民而附獲母其中一人非我國國民。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
或為國籍法第二條第一項第三款規劃取得我國國籍者。委員邱正軍等提案同國民黨黨團提案。委員邱正軍等提案第三條同國民黨黨團提案第三條。委員王美惠等提案第三條。為研議協調推展本法相關事務行政願意設置新住民委員會。前項委員會之組成應兼顧新住民成員組成比例及多元性。第一項委員會應確保各級政府與新住民相關事務之執行標準一致。委員邱正軍等提案第五條同國民黨黨團提案第四條。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
委員王美惠等提案第4條,行政院為審議協調本法相關事務,必要時應召開跨部會首長會議。委員邱正軍等提案第6條,同國民黨黨團提案第5條。委員王美惠等提案第6條,同台灣民眾黨黨團提案第6條第一項。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
3297.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
委員邱政軍等提案第7條,同國民黨黨團提案第6條,委員王美惠等提案第5條,新住民委員會應考量全國新住民事務並廣納全國新住民之意見,每4年擬定國家新住民發展計劃,進行政院核定作為各級政府新住民相關施政之依據。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
3314.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
委員羅美惠等提案第7條。第一項為政府未推動本法之事務與獎勵措施應設置新住民發展基金其基因之運用辦法由新住民委員會定之。第二項同國民黨黨團提案第7條。第二項委員邱正軍等提案第8條同國民黨黨團提案第7條。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
委員王美惠等提案第9條政府應提供多元新住民文化之教育與宣導以推動普及全民對新住民文化之理解與尊重政府應積極檢視各項政策對於促進新住民文化品權之效益並具以研謀相關解決對策委員邱正軍等提案第4條新住民享有憲法保障的各項基本人權應不受歧視、排擠、剝奪或限制政府對於不同國籍或地區之新住民行政措施應一律平等 |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
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委員邱正軍等提案第9條政府應尊重並保護新住民的文化權利鼓勵多元文化的交流與融合促進社會對不同文化的理解和尊重為加強新住民文化及產業傳承與發揚政府應設北中南東新住民文化重點發展區傾向重點發展區應任用一定比例之新住民導覽人員介紹與推廣新住民語言以及文化其任用規則由主管機關定之前二上業務與本法第4條委員會設立前之施行應協調以移民署配合辦理 |
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委員邱正軍等提案第10條第一項為新住民及其子女有權接受與本國國民同等之教育政府應提供必要的教育資源和資源確保新住民及其子女能順利適應和融入本國教育體系第二三項同國民黨黨團提案第9條第一二項 |
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委員王美惠等提案第10條,政府應規劃集合相關資源及學校,積極提供新住民學習我國語言與文字之資源,以有效消除語言隔閡。委員邱振軍等提案第11條,同國民黨黨團提案第10條。委員王美惠等提案第11條,政府應於公共領域提供新住民語言播音諮詢或通譯服務及其他落實新住民語言友善環境之措施,辦理前項工作卓有績效者應予獎勵。 |
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委員邱正軍等提案第12條,第一項同國民黨黨團提案第11條,第一項。第二項為政府應與國家考試增訂新住民事務相關類科,以因應新住民公務之需求。委員王美惠等提案第8條,政府應提供新住民在我國生活所需之基本資訊,教育、文化、衛生、醫療及社會福利等。前項資訊政府應盡力提供多語言版本,必便各國新住民能完整了解。 |
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委員邱正軍等提案第13條同國民黨黨團提案第12條委員王美惠等提案第13條政府得以獎勵補助或其他方式協助民間團體辦理相關新住民權益支持計畫委員邱正軍等提案第14條第一項為新住民享有平等就業機會不得因國籍種族性別等原因受到不公平對待第二項同國民黨黨團提案第13條 |
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委員邱正軍等提案第15條政府應提供新住民基本生活保障並對弱勢新住民應給予輔助政府應提供新住民各項社會福利對新住民參加使用醫療資源或其他社會保險無力承擔者應予補助委員王美惠等提案第12條政府應保障新住民族群傳播及媒體經用權並得獎勵或補助製播新住民族語言 |
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新住民族群語言文化節目之廣播電視以及網路或其他形式媒體事業委員邱正軍等提案第16條同國民黨黨團提案第15條委員邱正軍等提案第17條同國民黨黨團提案第16條宣讀完畢 |
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我們繼續從第5條條文開始來進行討論,請問在場委員有沒有意見? |
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謝謝 謝謝主席我想要先進行程序發言因為其實在我們上一次審查這個新住民的草案的時候其中有一個決議是說希望行政院盡速的提出新住民相關的草案再來排上議程再進行審查所以是不是希望可以遵照上一次在高經招委下排的這個議程的決議 |
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那請行政院儘速的提出相關的草案我們再來進行審查呢再來因為520之後其實也換了新的部長那我也希望說我們新的部長呃 劉部長可以先針對新住民相關的這個草案來發表意見跟基本的立場那我覺得這個有助於我們接下來的討論另外就是說其實今天有兩個新的版本送進來包括美會委員還有另外一位邱委員 |
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那送進來之後是不是大家的版本可以再做相關的一些大體的討論那更完備之後再進行討論或許會比較有共識所以我也希望說因為其實我們在座所有委員都非常的關心新住民的權益 |
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那我自己也提了相關的修正動議希望可以針對新住民的權益有更直接的作用的保障那希望今天可以先聽我們劉部長的意見然後也可以遵照上一次的決議有院版之後我們再做更完整的討論我覺得這也是一個行政部門應該要拿出來的態度以上建議 謝謝 |
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黃菊委員有兩個問題第一個問題就是我上次做的決議就是希望這個內政部會後本次會議各黨團還有委員提案的版本跟委員發言所提出的相關新住民遭遇的現況問題向行政院匯報並請行政院儘速提出新住民基本法相關的草案這樣子能夠儘速排上一層再進行調查的確是這個部分待會也會請內政部來說明一下 |
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議案完成二讀前原提案者得經院會同意後。 |
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第三項法律案附委經逐條討論之後所以我們之前已經逐條討論到第四條了嘛所以院會在違併案審查的交付時審查會對已通過的條文不再討論了所以這個部分就回復您的第二個問題所以第一個問題所以美會委員跟那個邱正軍委員進來的我們就可能在前面不討論也不大體討論了我們直接就從第五條開始好嗎 |
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現在我們也請那個內政部部長也跟大家說明一下就是經過我們上次的決議不只到內政部長會去這個行政院的報告是怎麼樣的一個過程好謝謝請部長 |
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謝謝昭偉給我這個機會也非常謝謝內政委員會還有包括所有提案的委員對於新住民的關心確實沒有錯在上一次4月29的時候在這個內政委員會昭偉以及各位委員所做的決議的第三條裡面有要求內政部在會後將本次會議各黨團及委員提案版本跟委員發言 |
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所提出相關新住民遭遇的問題要向行政院匯報並且請行政院儘速提出新住民基本法的相關草案必立儘速排上議程再進行審查那在我上任之後我跟移民署的同仁還有我們相關法規會的同仁 |
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已經盡速將跟新住民權益保障相關的這個草案完成那現在已經送到行政院那要跟這個各位委員報告的部分就是說送到行政院之後如果按照我們現在的這個流程應該是行政院院會通過再送到立法院 |
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審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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也就是說大家對於這個法案的名稱是屬於新住民基本法還是權益保障法還有其他的相關的問題都有做一個討論譬如說新住民基本法的部分在各位委員所提案有關於新住民的這個定義 |
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我們認為提新住民基本法不是一個作用法的相關配套之下有可能跟各位委員所提到的港澳條例或兩岸人民關係條例在法律的競合上會出現問題所以由布裡頭送到行政院草案的版本裡面我們仍然是提出以新住民權益保障法 |
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也就是說他變成中華民國的國民之前到合法到台灣來那因為台灣是一個注重人權以及我們是注重這個社會福利的狀況之下我們不管是在教育、文化、社會福利或者是來台的居留等等這些保障我們希望透過這樣的專法來保障他們那第二個有關於新住民要成立一個專責的單位我們也認同就是說不是只是一個諮詢的方式 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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將這個新住民的發展基金來轉型,還有建立國家級的通益制度,以及其他的放寬新住民的學歷財論等等這些。所以就這個各位委員所提的部分,我們確實是有跟行政院,包括政務委員,或是包括相關的這個處,以及做一下匯報。但是因為時間差的關係,再加上因為在上一屆 |
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在4月的時候所通過的若干條文可能跟我們部裡頭所送上去的條文有一些需要調整的空間所以我們很希望未來如果要真正審查的時候可不可以根據我們行政院送進來的一個版本將所有委員或是其他黨團所擬具的這個草案版本一條一條的來做一下審查那我們會尊重這個部裡頭跟大院最後的這個三讀通過以上說明謝謝 |
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非常謝謝部長的說明部長剛剛的說明有沒有委員要補充張宏洛委員 |
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我想剛剛部長講的大家都聽得很清楚啦齁那我覺得新住民大家都非常的關心啦齁那部長我們可不可以就是說很明確的請問一下齁就是如果說趕一趕啊在這個本會期前啊行政院版的可不可以送進來我們有請部長回應一下謝謝 |
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報告委員,如果各位會認為說希望行政院在這個會期之前提進來的話,我們會去拜託行政院的包括政務委員加速審查,然後趕快送進來。有一個時間嗎?一定不是這個禮拜,因為來不及。 |
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好,好,謝謝,那其他委員呢?等一下王美惠委員,然後張智倫委員主席,剛才柏丁說這樣,當然我也知道不是這禮拜也不會有啦,因為我覺得大家都要有共識,想好多少次保障新住民的權利,說實在,好到現在我們就有加開議員會,所以沒有現在已經收會了, |
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所以說,我們希望在內政部這邊,如果剛才李蘇介紹,大家所有對新住民的關心和管理,我們一定要來納入。所以在這裡聽補充這樣說,有的做到這個時候的過程這個時間, |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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我相信在座每一位都有看到新住民的身分和登場的照片,所以今天大家站在這裏來保障他們的權利,所以保證要好好去關心這個區塊,以上。好,繼續我們請張智倫委員,然後再請吳昭偉。 |
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好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員部長大家早安那其實我很認同剛剛所有委員的發言其實每個委員都非常關心新住民的這個權益所以在昨天我們也特別開了公聽會那不分黨派我個人其實三個黨我都有邀請那有空的委員其實像麥玉珍委員劉許廷委員我們民進黨委員有因為有事情有要務沒有出席可是還是非常感謝他 |
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那昨天有一個很特別的事情啊就是昨天這個移民署的副署長有參與他那時候跟我講的是說我有跟羅委員對對對他有個特別對對對所以所以他所以我的意思說新住民的權益我們每一位委員都特別不分黨派都特別的的關心啊然後我的重點是說昨天我在會中有跟這個移民署的 |
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這個副署長來去討論說到底院內有沒有版本結果他昨天下午回覆了我的是說移民署才有草案還沒有送這個行政院結果想不到今天劉部長非常用心他說已經送到這個行政院了所以意思代表就是說其實很多事情是可以火速或是說新住民有60萬人是可以很快的去做處理的所以拜託這個部長這邊大家都這麼關心這些事情 |
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那為什麼我們今天要一直開會來幫新住民的權益去討論其實大家每個人都很用心可是我特別要提的就是行政院每個月每半年有開一次這個有關於新住民的會報 |
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一年只有開兩次上半年一次下半年一次其實非常不夠其實到今年113年度現在都六月了到現在都還沒有開那沒有開我們也去請教原因我們相信我們各位委員都很重視沒有開的原因就是說是要審法案就是要審這個新住民基本法結果變成我們所有委員已經快要 |
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做快要都已經快要火燒屁股了大家坐在這邊結果今天我還有特別一個要拜託的事情今天還對我們還針對於這個我們法的這個名稱還大家還有還沒有辦法這個完全的確定到底是新住民基本法草案還是新住民權益保障法草案那我個人我是一定要特別這邊強調不管是我們的這個原住民是原住民基本法我們客家的鄉親也是客家基本法所以我希望說今天 |
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無論如何部長這邊一定要趕快來,如果連這個東西都沒有辦法來確定的話,我們如何在這個會期有辦法把這個法案一定會跳票,那我們這些委員坐在這邊真的是浪費大家、浪費全國人民的時間。以上,謝謝。好,繼續我們請吳昭偉。 |
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三、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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來推動一個法案那推動法案到時候又排擠到新住排擠到原住民排擠到客家客家的族群那也不好所以我們整個那個法案還是要說很完備我認為等到我們行政院辦進來我們再來組條因為也是在這個會期也是到時候還是拜託召委再來排所以這是本席的建議謝謝 |
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我們請紅路委員然後就是博裕委員然後再來蔓玉珍委員謝謝剛聽大家這樣講其實我我我們必須要講大家都很重視這一個但新住民我們要去確定就是他跟原住民跟客家是不一樣的新住民的身份是會轉變的 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查 |
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真的把法案好好的把它定得好然後才能夠真正保障它而不是我們現在連一個基本法啦權益保障法或什麼大家都還沒有共識啊這樣子很我覺得定出來的法雖然是通過但不一定是對新住民是最好的所以我會建議具體建議啦 |
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內政部這個會期如果錢可以送來我們來得及我們趕快開我們也在這個會期之前把它送出委員會阿如果不行我們大家做個決議我們在下個會期一定要會期開始前開始之後一個月內要把這部法案送出我們內政委員會我們內政委員會自己訂個期程 |
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把他做好,然後把他用得更清楚。我覺得這樣子,我不知道這樣子的話,內政部這樣子,你們來得及嗎?你們可以嗎?我們等一下請你回答一下。我們都會請部長回答,我們先請李博義委員,還有那個麥玉珍委員,謝謝。 |
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謝謝齁 我們在 欸 召委我們在4月29號的時候其實我們已經有做過這些討論當天來的是前內政部的次長華進群齁那也不是部長那到520到今天520新政府上任到今天呃兩三不到三個禮拜的時間齁那我剛剛聽到劉思萬部長可以提出至少對新住民權益基本定義的清楚我是對於 |
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如果內政部要在這一個會期裡面可以送進來我對部長的執行效率是有信心的那我同意剛剛張宏祿委員的說法新住民我們先不要把他標籤化新住民在取得中華民國身份之前 |
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相關權益做最具體的保障由內政部提出來我相信這會是比較完整一點的法案所以我這邊也呼應我們可以在這個會期讓內政部趕快把這個法案送進來我們內政委員會趕快來排審可以做出最保障新住民在過度拿到台灣身份拿到中華民國身份這一段時間的所有相關權益謝謝 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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沒有人說要分族群就是歧視我們只是說分不同的族群來用不同的法條來去照顧是這樣而已我們也針對賴清德總統如果沒有分他沒有七大的政見針對新住民的法條對不對 |
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選舉的時候他提出七大政見針對新住民我們現在是為了他的政見來去實現他說的話而已還有2016年到現在是蔡英文說照顧新住民照顧到現在了不是現在才說也不是因為我們這個會期才提2016年 |
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立場委員也有提過二零一九年我們的邱成遠也有提過所以說不是沒有是因為大家就是沒有重視所以沒有再去申請所以沒有去設法我們現在是要去設法羅美玲委員她也做了四年她是代表新住民她沒有提現在才提 |
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四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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有意見就是說我們現在就是不要浪費大家的時間,因為我們要,是因為我們要提的就是講我們就是認識啦,就是認識。關心才坐在這邊,但是不是要不要坐,不是沒時間。 |
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所以我發言請尊重好嗎?你們發言我們都沒有回應,你尊重好嗎?我發言都沒有啦,你寫名啦,你那個人寫名啦。寫名什麼都講事實嘛,還是說你有提的話,你就快點提,快點問再來提,不是,不是,已經是照你的意思嗎? |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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社會人士民間團體專家學者都希望說我們要抓緊這個機會因為新住民創造更多的環境還有我們前移民署的署長也說因為他當署長的時候沒有去把這件事情做好如果做好的話我們連公聽會都不是今天辦所以我們希望就是我們共同去努力把這個 |
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我們這個委員會我們要新住民基本法要去通過如果內政部有版本我們就來做送起我們的多資協商這樣子也是可以來得及的不要說我們上次4月份我們開會了說要老在7月份在6月份我們要去審的時候我們的召委也本來我們是在要求說520之前 |
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但是呢後來就說等520之後520之後又說沒有版本但是昨天我們移民署的副署長也說沒有版本但是馬上我們內政部部長今天說有了我們要送進所以說要做還是不做而已嘛不是沒有嘛一天就申出來了所以說這樣子不是這個問題所以我們是要真正的去把事情做不是要來去拖延時間 |
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謝謝以上好 非常謝謝這個麥玉珍委員我想麥玉珍委員的意思是說大家都很關心啦那羅委員很關心也自己澄清了四年前你有提案沒有沒有 你有提案他的意思是說你有提案啦對然後抱歉等一下是那個誰牛徐廷委員然後再來就是美玲委員不好意思那個邱正軍委員現在也到了現場齁我想就問您您要不要提案說明好 等兩位委員 |
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發言完畢,我請你提案說明好嗎?謝謝,請劉雪婷委員。好,謝謝主席喔。這我覺得這樣子啦,因為上一次審的時候是4月9號嘛。然後現在今天是6月12號,基本上就等了兩個月嘛。這兩個月等待的... |
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二十九等了一個多月嘛目標當然就是希望說院版可以在這中間出來那看起來院版現在只有草案還沒有經過程序那現在看起來也沒有辦法確定經過程序的時候到底什麼時候可以送到立法院然後什麼時候來做排案所以以至於在第一會期順利的通過是很大的變數這我想大家都不會反對 |
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那再來我們在逐條的時候這部法案因為是新的立法所以難免有爭議所以一定到最後若干的條文會保留協商那是不是你只要預留一個月的協商冷凍期大家來做處理跟討論 |
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那所以我的建議是這樣今天我們還是跑逐條我們至少在今天難得大家都在就在這過程中大家把意見做整合能夠把爭議降低就降低加速未來的程序等到你院版出來因為我認為院版出來跟我們各位委員提出來的版本應該差異也不至於會太大那院版出來又進一步二讀並按協商就好了嘛我們到時候針對這些剩下來的問題點直接透過協商方式處理 |
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這樣有機會在7月16號的時候第1會期的時候可以把整部法案處理完嘛我覺得這樣可能是比較周全的方式所以說我覺得不要再等院板進來再重新開始跑主條今天可以先跑幾條就是幾條啦以上是我的建議謝謝 |
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好,非常謝謝劉雪婷。我們請羅美玲委員。呃,謝謝昭偉。其實我的個性從來就不會去主動說攻擊別人怎麼樣。其實我必須澄清就是說,其實我在上一屆的時候就已經提出新住民權益保障法,只是藉其不續審。 |
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那其實我看到不管民眾黨也好國民黨也好還有我們的委員同仁都有提出跟新住民相關的法案其實我心底是非常感謝的我就覺得說很謝謝大家來關心新住民新住民這個我們不要新住民這個我們是族群好了 |
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所以我在想那我也很仔細看了各位的這個版本其實大家的出發點都是好的那我自己呢一直希望說有院版出來因為我覺得院版它會綜合我們所有委員的意見然後會讓我們你說我的版本有沒有問題每個人版本都沒有問題嗎我覺得多多少少都還是會有一些不盡完善的地方那我一直希望行政院能夠提出這個版本讓整個這個新住民相關的法呢更加的完善 |
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其實不是說有這個新住民相關的法沒出來新住民其實都不被照顧我覺得這對行政單位來講不是很公平其實很多其實已經在做只是說我們立了這個法讓這些過去我們內政部移民署所做的這一切能夠入法 |
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好像新住民的賠利計劃有沒有做?做了好多年耶,新住民跟二代的賠利計劃。對新住民的這個弱勢有沒有照顧?有新住民法案基金對一些弱勢的還是有照顧?等到拿到身份證之後,就回歸到本國國人的這個福利體系裡面去。其實很多都已經在做,只是我們希望把它入法。所以那這個部分的話,我一直覺得說,立法不能衝出為過而過。 |
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那說實在的我希不希望這個法國我非常的希望所以我在上一屆的時候我已經有提出來只是我覺得每一部法都是一樣行政立法單位要有充分的這個溝通像昨天張智倫委員他有邀請我出席這個公聽會其實我收到的時候我說哇糟糕因為我母國馬來西亞的國會議員到台灣來我那個時間點人在這個 |
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副副副副副副副副 |
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對!我都很謝謝大家在這個區塊的這個努力。就是說我們怎麼樣讓我們這新住民的這些法案能夠更加的完善。我想在場的所有委員應該大家心裡應該是希望是這樣子的。尤其行政院已經給了我們一個時間表。 |
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這個會期就會送到立法院來那為什麼我們不等大家一起進來之後再來做充分的這些討論雖然我們每個委員其實提的東西都有一跟同可是我都覺得說都很值得來做討論 |
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四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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這空談一場嗎?我就覺得說,我就覺得這不是一個很好的這個方式啦。所以我這邊也希望說,呃,召委主席這邊能夠理解,其實我們都希望說,立法會更加的完善才是對新住民致福。以上謝謝。好,謝謝羅美玲委員發言。呃,黃學文,呃,我們有提案委員說這個,所以我再給您一點時間好嗎?好,謝謝。 |
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謝謝張偉那我想要補充一下啦因為我希望大家在發言的時候不要抹煞其他委員的努力因為我相信今天願意坐在這邊來一起審查這個新住民相關法案的所有委員不分黨派都是非常有心的這個是一定大家都有很有共識而且是大家有共同一致的目標所以我也不希望說在發言的時候好像要 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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審出一部有實質效果然後真的能夠保障新住民權益的一部法律那其實這個法條裡面啊大家的版本真的蠻多歧義的如果去看就會知道說光是這個對象的範圍然後要叫要什麼樣的單位其實都有不同的看法 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 «新住民基本法草案案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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對其實都有在草擬當中所以我還是希望我們行政部門拿出立場拿出態度就如劉部長上禮拜在總質詢答覆的時候應該就是答覆麥玉珍委員說你們有在草擬中了希望把這個版本送出來之後我們再做實質的討論因為大家目標都一樣我還是希望再次強調大家的目標都是希望這個法要送出去絕對是沒有問題的只是等我們的布送到院會之後 |
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趕快來讓我們實質審查院版那大家才有共識那伸出一步真的可以有實質作用的法律才能真的保障新住民的權益這個是最大的目標感謝 |
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好 謝謝黃婕委員的這個說明在邱正軍委員提案說明之前我來先跟大家報告幾件事情第一件事情其實大家對於新住民的權益來說真的是非常的關心這個關心包括蔡英文總統她在8年前的選舉也這麼說過一直到賴清德總統當選了以後也都這麼說過所以 |
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前面的8年跟現在其實我們來回顧一下在民眾黨111年6月份第6會期的時候其實就有新住民基本法的草案然後這個案子也送交付內政委員會要審查但是一直都沒有排進來然後羅美玲委員在112年的時候第8會期自己在做召委的時候其實也 |
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由草案然後也開過一次公聽會在112年的12月4號所以他非常關心那個時候羅美玲委員就呼籲行政院趕快要有版本進來所以也就是說新住民的權益 |
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從111年一直到112年在立法院其實就一直被談論一直也交到內政委員會但是比較可惜的是沒有排進議程裡面來討論那麼我有幸身為一個原住民族的立法委員我在這裡當召委所以我也非常關心新住民的權益 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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在委員會裡面既然已經交付審查了我們立法委員其實就可以對我們自己提出的版本來進行討論所以今天我已經開過一次公聽會然後有兩次的這個包括今天有兩次的這個條文的逐條審查既然大家都來了我相信也都那麼的認真那我們的逐條審查其實會加速行政院版本送進來 |
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我相信是如此所以大家有一個非常好的良性的互動跟良性的尊重我覺得對未來的新住民是好的我相信在場的委員們應該都同意我這樣的說法好嗎那我們現在先請提案委員來這邊說明一下他的提案謝謝我們請邱振鈞委員 |
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是不是邱政軍委員提案說明完了之後我們就開始來主條然後大體討論這個主條討論一下好不好謝謝休息好我同意我接受趙偉吳趙偉的建議我們休息一下好謝謝請好謝謝主席給我補充做提案說明的機會那各位委員大家好新住民已經是我們國內第三大的族群 |
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主要不同在於強調保障基本權利以下我從四個方面來說明第一個 |
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保障基本權利與實現社會公平新住民是我們社會的重要成員應該享有與本國國民相同的基本權利然而在實際生活中卻往往因為身份而面臨各種歧視與不公平的對待本席在第四條增加權利的保障規定在第九條第一項增訂文化權利的保障 |
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第十條第一項徵定教育權利的保障。第十四條第一項徵定工作權利的保障的規定。完整的本法的制定。那第二項是 |
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促進社會和諧與穩定新住民的融入對社會和諧與穩定至關重要通過保障新住民的基本權益和必要的支持可以促進他們更好地適應融入本地社會增加他們的歸屬感和參與感促進社會的和諧與穩定第三 |
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擬合社會的差距,實現長遠的發展。新住民往往面臨語言、文化、還有經濟等多方面的困難,影響生活品質和發展的機會。制定《新住民基本法》,政府可以提供適當的支持和幫助,擬合社會的差距,實現長遠的社會和經濟的發展。四、符合國際人權標準與履行國際義務。 |
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台灣作為國際社會的一員應該遵守國際人權標準保障新移民的基本權利制定新住民基本法就是履行對國際社會的承諾展示台灣人對人權保護和社會正義的這個重視那在這邊剛剛也聽到非常我們委員大家都非常的支持這個法案那在這邊也希望大家盡快的來溝通並完成審議通過三讀為新住民提供更好的生活發展和這個環境 |
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實現社會的公平與和諧。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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現在就是希望時程推進 |
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三、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2會期內政委員會第3會期內政委員會第4會期內政委員會第5會期內政委員會第6會期內政委員會第7會期內政委員會第8會期內政委員會第9會期內政委員會第10會期內政委員會第11會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第13會期內政委員會第14會期內政委員會第15會期內政委員會第16會期內政委員會第17會期內政委員會第17會期內政委員會第18會期內政委員會第18會期內政委員會第18會期內政委員會第19會期內政委員會第19會期內政委員會第19會期內政委員會第 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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主席主席主席主席主席 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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我覺得如果這樣的話,我們之間某有的選民的保障沒有問題,我們還可以再去調查一下,然後等他們趕快來我們最後,我們最後也要把它修完再去審查。這樣子一個月的那個時尚就是到明年了啦? |
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三、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具 |
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我覺得走走看,沒有爭議的人比較快,如果真的有爭議很多,那我們商量,看怎麼處理,要等院板還是怎麼樣,如果爭議比較少,可能時間上來得及,我要等院板進來就可以趕,有機會達成共識的話,那就沒那麼大壓力,如果說真的期限很大,沒有辦法達成共識的話,那就是保留結賬,院板併進來結賬嘛。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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我還在正前面講講黨團全家庭都可以進來就好像原住民不進保庫場那個吳立華他不信任國會他也會進來因為你這個案所以不會是這樣子可是我是想說他們的版本一定要進來的 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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因為今天我們現在的爭議是法律的名稱的對象我想問一下 因為當名稱的對象沒有辦法決定的時候是不是很難忘記我覺得還好 你看後面很多條文 |
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對阿,因為我們是要新住民基本法,也要保障,我們不是要,我們要有義務,不是只有就是保障權利,我們是來這邊不是要跟大家搶 |
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新住民基本法草案案。五、繼新住民基本法草案。五、繼新住民基本法草案。五、繼新住民基本法草案。五、繼新住民基本法草案。五、繼新住民基本法草案。五、繼新住民基本法草案。 |
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兇悍發言劉慶祿今天就把他關了。因為大家都沒有共識的姿勢。因為我估計因為大家都沒有共識的姿勢。因為說實在,大家保障這些新住民他們的權益,我講好一點。 |
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一、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。九、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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我沒有唱的是說我很尊重,因為上次我有跟他講過,他說叫我不要那麼拍他。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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副鄉,你們兩個是新住民要副鄉啦,都是自己的啦,什麼我們這裡的人會替你們的地鐵抽屎啦。應該是更要團結才對啊。好啦,不過,等一下讓他討論有意見的。 |
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六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。九、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。六、繼續審查國民黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。七、繼續審查國民黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。八、繼續審查國民黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。九、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2會期內政委員會第3會期內政委員會第4會期內政委員會第5會期內政委員會第6會期內政委員會第7會期內政委員會第8會期內政委員會第8會期內政委員會第9會期內政委員會第9會期內政委員會第10會期內政委員會第10會期內政委員會第11會期內政委員會第11會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第13會期內政委員會第13會期內政委員會第14會期內政委員會第14會期內政委員會第14會期內政委員會第15會期內政委員會第 |
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繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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還算時間等院本就是時間壓一壓,譬如公認6月底之前送進來 |
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我先確定他那個有,我等下去商量,沒了沒了商量還有13個還有23個還有23個還有23個還有23個還有23個還有23個 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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二十五、二十六、二十七、小五、八十五、八十五、八十五、八十五、八十五、八十五、八十五、八十五、八十五 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。九、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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主席主席主席主席主席主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。五、繼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
我們現在繼續開會我們從第5條開始第5條有民進黨團的提議有張智倫委員的提議有蘇巧惠委員蘇巧惠委員是第4條 |
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五條是台灣民眾黨團和國民黨團的提案,還有張智倫委員提案,然後蘇巧慧委員的第四條,然後邱正軍委員的第六條。大家有什麼意見,然後看一下文字,我們一起討論。我這個就是一個人會說的。那太好了。在哪裡?你有給我一份嗎?在這裡。我都把它整理起來了。謝謝。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
有沒有提案的委員說明一下第五條大概就是說跨部會首長會議的召開民眾黨團是行政院為了要審議協調本法相關事務只要是涉及各目的事業主管機關執掌必要的時候他是可以召開跨部會首長會議然後要會同各目的事業主管機關來辦理然後國民黨黨團的這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
前條設立前行政院為審議協調本法相關事務,涉及各目的事業主管職位應該跟民眾黨是差不多。第四條書巧會委員是說,行政院應該要設立新住民會報。 |
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然後要研議、然後要協調、還有推動本法相關事務。前項彙報的組成,還有它的任務,或者是其他應遵行的事項是由行政院定之。那王美惠委員的提案是行政委員委審議協調本法相關事務,必要的時候應該召開跨部會首長會議。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
沒有寫得這麼清楚,但是呢,大概是跟民眾黨就是要召開跨部會的會議。然後邱正軍委員的提案是跟國民黨團跟還有民眾黨團大概文字是一致的。請問一下我們的委員有沒有什麼意見?在說明沒有,我們請這個相關部會來回應一下好嗎? |
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7557.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
是由移民署嗎?謝謝署長。 |
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對,第五條,跨部會首長會議的召開。是,我們的建議是說,這個,未來我們希望就是說,在行政院的新住民事務協調會報,我們來提升這個層級,來加強它的功能。我們建議是由院長將來來召集來主持這個協調會報。 |
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7597.602 |
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7597.982 |
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行政院委審議協調本法相會書 |
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7633.078 |
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原住民匯報然後這些組成他的任務要遵行事項由行政院定制都是行政院不是講院長是都是行政院那行政院因為我們覺得說已經有新住民事務協調匯報嘛那現在有的委員是說要增加就是說所謂的這個跨部會的這個首長會議吧 |
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你們目前沒有嘛,是不是?對,我們目前沒有,但是我們是建議以,就是不必跌床駕屋啦,就是用這個協調匯報,但是我們提升他的這個功能嘛,就是把召集人成績也拉高。那你的召集人會是誰? |
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7653.806 |
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7671.632 |
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我們是希望說可以將來可以由院長來建議院長也不就是行政院了嗎所以你應該是說在第5條裡面你沒有什麼意見嗎只是說在委員的提案或者是國民黨團的提案或民眾黨團提案要不要寫得更清楚啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
7672.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
7700.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
所以既然您剛剛署長您講說你們已經有個匯報了那你希望這個匯報現在馬上提撐提撐呢他的首長是由院長他來召集其實就跟這第5條的意思是一樣啊那你能不能講一下你說你現在已經有院版院版現在的意思是怎樣雖然你還沒送進來能不能聽一下布的版啦這是布的版我們現在是布的版所以你們只有內政部的版沒有行政院的版嗎是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
7702.539 |
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7726.309 |
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對阿,好來請部長說明,謝謝請部長。報告召委跟各位委員,有關於很多委員所提出的這個第5條的部分,當然是想要提升層級,但是我跟各位委員報告一下,我們現在的這個設置或設計的部分以權益保障為主的話,也就是未來在內政部,會變成是設一個專門的機構。 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
7728.61 |
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7743.786 |
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而不是一個跨部會的協調委員會那既然不是一個跨部會的協調委員會的狀如果是原來這個委員所提出的版本是一個跨部會的協調委員會的話除了內政部可能包括勞動部、教育部、文化部等等環境部全部都要進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
7745.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
7760.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
那樣的層級的話可能就是要到行政院譬如說是行政院院長或副院長或政務員來當召集人但是如果未來是一個專責的機構他既然是專責機構的話他要編相當的預算變成是一個常態化的預算的分配 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
7761.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
7790.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
那如果你支持一個協調委員會,我們協調出來以後,這個教育部去做,這個內政部去做,這個勞動部去做,這樣子的話呢,在照顧新住民的權益上面呢,恐怕比較會在績效上面會打折。所以有關這方面的設計的話,可能要請各位委員參考,在審查上面的話,是不是有兩個不同的這個想像,或是兩個不同的這個層級設計上面,哪一種對新住民的照顧會最好,請各位委員參考,謝謝。 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
7791.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
7809.42 |
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好 謝謝 請黃婕委員然後張智倫委員謝謝部長 謝謝署長謝謝主席因為剛剛聽完部長的說明其實發現部長說完的這個如果有專責機構的這個治理的層面跟權益的實質的程度會比原本這個更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
7810.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
7837.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
那因為其實我們因為我們現在就看不到院版所以我不知道說在這個專責機構相關的文字上面到底是什麼所以我原本對照的是巧惠委員的版本然後我提的一個修正動議那我是放在第4條然後是把這個協調匯報放進去然後行政院我是把說行政院院長要來召集所有的專家學者新住民代表跟相關部會以及地方的組成我也是寫到要跨部會啦只是說我就是把 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
7839.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
7858.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
寫成原本的行政匯報而已那其實我聽起來後來的如果院版如果後來的院版是更好的那應該要請院版有相關的文字這樣會比較好參考那我還是表達一下我原本修正動議的意思啦就是說在剛剛部長還沒有說明之前我是照原本的這個進行協調匯報 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
7860.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
7867.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
入法寫出文字,並且要有跨部會的代表,甚至是地方的政府以及新住民的代表全部放進來。 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
7875.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
7876.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
好 吳釗緯 再回 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
7905.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
7926.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
有一個有目的事業主管機關執掌那必要時才要開跨部會首長會議所以還是要拜託部長這邊就是這個我覺得是可以符合就是現在已經進行的一個方式就是說有必要時才要跨部會不是一直都要跨部會所以拜託一下所以我認為這條是很重要的謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
7928.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
7952.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
好 謝謝 那請吳昭偉好 昭偉現在我們審議的第5條第5條裡面全條委員會設立前行政院為審議協調本會相關的事務那我們4月29我們第4條就已經保留了所以這個問題我們是不是第5條那你也會很尷尬好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
7955.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
7976.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
所以我想說真的應該有行政院辦進來我們誰因為因為新住民我們在座每個人都非常注重因為新住民的權益我們都會支持因為大家選期都有選期的壓力講實在的但是你一個條文你沒有去把它 |
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7977.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
7984.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
規劃好、設計好你未來我們要面對全國的民眾這一點希望召委能聽得進去好 謝謝謝謝吳召委那事實上我剛剛就是希望在場的委員們能夠依據我們今天的開會的討論 |
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7996.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
7999.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
8019.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
8021.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
8042.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
8044.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
提案委員們提出他們版本的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
8090.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
第6條有台灣民眾黨團跟國民黨團的提案第6條。然後張智倫還有王美惠委員的第6條。蘇巧惠委員的第5條。邱振軍委員的第7條。然後在第12頁我們翻開一下第12頁看一下提案委員有沒有什麼要再說明的。或者是其他的委員有一些要提出修正動議的部分。 |
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8092.947 |
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好,我們請劉許廷委員。這個部分談的是主管機關,謝謝。好,謝謝主席。第一個,抱歉,第6條部分,我剛剛忘了提,有許新英委員的版本,還有劉許廷委員版本,那許第6條的修正動議。 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
8115.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
8139.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
謝謝主席我跟大家做個報告因為主管機關我們當然都希望中央有新住民事務委員會這部分我們就不再贅述但我們提的修正動議是這個跟地方政府有關因為地方政府當然我們希望有專責單位這是理想中的狀況但實務上像以我桃園為例基本上我桃園的這個局處基本上屬於滿邊的一個狀況所以有些地方政府不見得能夠有這個餘裕去做新住民事務局 |
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8140.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
8166.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
所以我們在法條修正提出修正動議相對的做了一點放寬就是說設置專責單位或專一單一服務窗口如果友善而且有餘裕的你就成立新住民事務局嘛如果不行的話你至少會有匯報也好或者是單一服務的窗口也好它一樣要有新住民事務的統整這樣子的一個功能我想這樣子基本上也容納了各個委員的版本我覺得是稍微周全一點的說法所以希望大家支持這個修正動議以上謝謝 |
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8167.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
8191.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
好,非常謝謝。我們也歡迎一下傅坤祺總召,今天也在我們的這個條文的審查當中,謝謝。好,請問一下其他委員有沒有其他的意見?那如果沒有意見,我們是不是也請相關部會是部長,你要不要來說明一下在您的內政部的版本裡面,是不是希望也在我們的地方政府要設立大英窗口? |
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8192.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
8193.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
主管機關主管機關新住民委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
8215.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
8235.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
所謂的未來的新住民委員會說話但是在我們的部裡頭所提的版本呢我們把它列為說主管機關就是內政部那內政部呢他會去統籌跟權益保障相關的其他的部分然後放在這個法律的條文裡這個條文裡面包括說新住民的定義 |
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8236.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
8236.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
8254.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
8255.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
8270.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
8283.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
所以主管機關在各個委員的提案裡面列的是新住民委員會因為第一個他還沒有存在所以我不敢幫他們說話但是在內政部我們的設計的原來的條文的版本是這樣子提供給各位參考謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
8285.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
8313.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
你問一下部長目前來講你說主管機關是在內政部然後內政部然後你們希望就是你們也沒有明定那個跨部會的會議是院長或者是誰來主持這個會議然後這是第一個我想問的第一個問題第二個就是是不是就現在新住民所有的預算裡面也會統合在你所講的主管機關這裡面還是他還是分散在 |
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8313.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
8316.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民權益保障法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
8338.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
8340.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
主管機關是內政部,涉及各目的事業主管機關,還是目的事業主管機關要辦理? |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
8363.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
8388.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
不是不是應該是這樣子在前端的部分如果說各目的事業主管機關沒有辦法辦理的很好他們認為是新住民的權益保障的話就會回歸到我們的這個所謂的未來如果有新住民的專責機構來幫忙辦理那因為現在各目的事業主管機關譬如說勞健保的部分他一定要有中華民國國民的身份那這之前怎麼辦這之前的話就是內政部會來統籌辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
8389.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
8389.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
8406.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
8426.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
就是說是一個新住民委員會未來委員會的召集人是誰他只會把所有的工作就分散給各個部會然後各個部會按照各個部會的職權去處理就沒有一個人在執行層面上面處理這塊事情我想我們在設計的時候是用這樣的方式提供給這個召委跟各位來參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
8427.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
8453.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
請問一下部長,你們要提這個法案的時候,你們有盤點一下相關的預算嗎?因為在這個新住民保障法裡面,其實事實上跟他的預算也很…是,現在的新住民基金是10億,那到目前為止呢,我們大概用的大概是4億左右。所以有6億沒用完啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
8457.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
8475.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
對用多少因為他是基金所以是用多少補多少那未來如果有成立一個專責司的話不管是人員的調派或者是預算上的支持的話我們就會按照這個通過的法再跟行政院要求他要增加進來對這是可以辦理的因為這是新增法律所以你講的專責機關是 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
8478.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
8480.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具新住民基本法草案案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
8504.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
8524.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
對,我們希望他成績可以提升那他的提升會是什麼樣的提升法?按照布裡頭的建議他提升到跟司一樣的成績所以只有司而已嗎?喔,司的成績非常的高司的成績非常的高所以這個司你們的名稱還不知道因為行政院他要跨部會來審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
8529.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
8551.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
我們現在這個民眾黨團的黨編也來了,歡迎黃國昌委員,謝謝。剛剛應我們民進黨柯建民英俊瀟灑的總召的要求,我們要先休息一下,然後討論一下,好不好,謝謝。休息五分鐘,謝謝。 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
10759.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
10759.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
好,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
10761.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
10789.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
好 非常謝謝 大家都非常的辛苦大家對於新住民的權益法案呢這個大家都非常的認真那我們現在因為三個這個黨編和總召都到現場了我們兩位內政委員會的召委也在現場然後內政委員會甚至於不是內政委員會的委員也非常關心此案那麼現在呢我們就是先請那個柯總召來跟我們說明一下他剛剛我們這個協調的時候他的想法謝謝 有請柯總召 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
10795.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
10812.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
主席、各位委員、同仁今天我撐起來這個地方就是希望我們這個有關於新住民權益保障或是新住民基本法能夠就是第一個就絕對不降低沒有什麼可以大家互相收割都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
10813.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
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只要共同來成就這樣的法案,大家共同來照顧新住民。我們知道新住民的人數現在已經非常多,所以我們中美委員以及蔓越村委員,還有我們本黨很多委員, |
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老實巧會等等大家做提案這代表什麼?代表大家都關心這個議題而且時代走到這個時候這已經是新的議題而且用照顧的思維來看待 |
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我今天來的時候,特別在走廊等召會,我們大家來協商一下。因為行政辦還沒進來,等行政辦進來的時候,我們必然審查。當場也有副總召,也有吳創部長、張宏慧也在場。我們在走廊裡面先協商一段時間。 |
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那現在大家我以為這樣大家講好就是說等新的行政版進來的時候我們那時候沒有想到說我保證齁這個下一期已經有完整三途那現在有新的變化了說本會期完整三途剛剛洪錄跟我講我說這好啊因為也跟麥醫生談過大家都談過本會期完整三途那現在有什麼事情大家都講很清楚嘛我說這個是比較好的方式而且大家 |
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都都不動氣我第一次跟黃國昌正面可以講話這很難得的經驗那請大家收起演出的笑容大家要笑平的來講好不好那就是這樣嘛剛才也三兩兩邊都講好了但是到最後要決定就要先朝野鄉結論 |
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第一個行政院在下禮拜四6月20號送進來要不要通過送進來這一點行政院做得到因為為什麼啊因為在審新住民法有關新住民基本法或權益保障法的時候在4月29號委員會有個做決議等5月底以後趕快先政府趕快送版本來來併然審查這是委員會做決議這很好啊 |
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那由部長司吳衛寧才上台嘛上台以後他如果如圖再趕這個法案我相信他很負責的但是行政院議的法案要賦予各部會所以我們快馬、嘉賓在下禮拜四、行政院議要衝起來就大家一起來 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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有至少五到六次時間可以來審法案。這有什麼好處?我覺得行政院版本進來和大家所有版本並然來看的時候,對照表馬上出來。我相信現在所存在的問題,第一個法案名稱是《基本法》或《審議保障法》。第二個定義上面就不一樣。第三個人員、經濟等等,還有很多相關的配套。 |
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行政牆且完整因為我了解很多草案就是有人自己寫或是什麼或是因為一公告的時候很多委員就拿來抄所以這個到最後版本是什麼已經因為通關版本才是正式版本所以常常會發生這樣結果行政正在在路上的時候大家一公告的版本就抄了抄了以後就趕快排審 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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放下彼此對立的心結,重新建立一個新夥伴的關係。我們讓立法院在這個民主法案上面,大家可以好好談。那現在,這個方式是最好的方式,我只要可以的話,大家簽朝委協商,商人黨派人家簽。那,忽然之餘,郭董召先走。剛才,黃國柳才問他,他說,他可以接受這個案子。那這個球,就在黃董召身上嘛。我希望就是說,大家合而共。 |
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因為也快12點,待會我有一個會要開,假如都同意的話,趙偉求在你身上,只要今天不出委員會的時候,後續都可以出議。今天出委員會會發生什麼問題? |
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因為今天只有今天一天而且版本名稱要用什麼處委員會沒有人敢一定保留處委員會很多不一樣的東西也一定會都沒有結論所以行政院辦進來的時候7月份你要開3次6次都可以開到6次好好討論也許大家連接的時候兩三次就結束因為對照表一出來嘛對照表一出來很簡單嘛然後假如都誰都 |
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讓他談好,估計協商處委會也隨時可以排。就是要協商處委會的話,排除曹煒祥一個月冷凍期,壓7月16日,至少7月16日要完成三度。因為這個本會議看到7月16日, |
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接下來副議案也要進入委員會,還有總執行。但是大家都有一個共識,比較重要的法案一定要在7月16日以前把它完成,比如說打詐、釋法等等。包括本委會已經前兩天通過了海洋保育法,那也是等著要排嘛。都是那些委員會的法案嘛。打詐、釋法也要跟委員會有關係嘛。 |
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就是炸雞危害防治法所以我到這裡肯定要拜託大家 |
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這個時刻在這個時刻不是朝野追憶的時候這個時刻是展開立法院是可以有一個可以溝通管道大家可以坐下來談而我非常珍惜我和黃國昌委員在法院前同事過去四年沒有跟他私下講過話到今天第一頁接觸那我希望黃國昌委員你能成就到他這個因緣以上報告 |
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好,非常謝謝柯總召剛剛的發言但是我也要講我雖然是召委但是我也要尊重一下要尊重一下在場內政委員會委員的這個決議好不好好,謝謝我們現在請黃國昌總召來回應謝謝謝謝召委老實說不是內政委員會的委員在這個過程當中做這種程序發言 |
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我自己啦覺得不是那麼的妥當但既然趙偉有邀請那就感謝趙偉我想剛剛在討論的過程當中問題非常的清楚新住民基本法是非常多委員關切而且希望推動的法案在4月29號的時候其實就已經排審也進入實質條文的討論了 |
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那今天再度再排新住民基本法參加內政委員會的委員我剛剛稍微甄選了一下大家都希望今天召委已經按照議程排了法案了那大家就按照各個委員所提出來不同的版本來進行審議來進行討論 |
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上一次在4月29號討論的過程當中也給了行政院機會行政院如果要提出他們法案的版本的話那就請提出來那召委事實上也等了一個多月的時間那希望能夠一起來討論但問題是等待不是永遠的等待不是永遠的 |
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在立法院各個委員會法案審議的過程當中從來沒有一個規矩說行政院沒有提出版本我們的法案不能討論那如果這個規則建立下去的話那事情會變得非常的嚴重也不堪想像那是不是未來任何法案行政院拒絕或者是不願意或者是遲延提出他們法案的版本 |
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那各個委員會委員所提出來的法案版本就沒有辦法進行實質的審議跟討論那因此我是突然啊被找到內政委員會來的然後說這邊有一些程序上面的事項要討論但我剛剛聆聽了 |
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我剛剛聆聽了,我也尊重我們黨團賣一針委員的意見也請教了一些委員他們的看法認為今天召委竟然已經排審了而且也不是第一次審查那就在委員會裡面針對不同的版本 |
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不管內政委員會其他的委員還是我們的行政部門大家有什麼高見就可以一起來討論全部都納入會議記錄當中沒有道理說今天已經開始的內政委員會針對新住民基本法的討論就突然的終止不再進行下去我想應該是沒有這樣子的道理當然 |
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我們不是內政委員會的委員那應召委的邀請來這邊發表一些程序上面的看法那接下來整個議事的進行我們就尊重尊重召委會議的主持以及在內政委員會裡面委員、多數委員大家共同的意見跟看法以上 |
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好,非常謝謝黃國昌總召,我們請柯建民總召,好,還有一些意見,好,謝謝。 |
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來講真話比較重要啦講結論比較重要大家可以看出來到底要不要把這個草案好好討論而且能夠圓滿完成而且草也都可以如期完成這很簡單的事情嘛第一個政任黃莊委員你怎麼那麼造詣就很可惜要不要額頭再造詣 |
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程序委員在開會程序發言誰都可以來發言不是這個委會的人就是說常常在這裡的時候館長一堆人都佔領然後開始程序發言司法法制委來經濟委會來程序發言都沒有等下程序發言沒有所謂的委會每一個人都是立法委員每一個立法委員都可以來這個審議法案羅美玲請問 |
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這個進行調查的時候也有程序的問題也有遷移的問題這都可以這議事會都很清楚齁黨的領域很敏大黨的領域雖然在不同委會只是差該委會與他表決權而已這是第一個第二個也不存在黃光所講的沒有行政案的版本你以為他們都不能審不存在的那常常也有比如說那個不當黨人條例有沒有沒有嘛很多坦白講齁 |
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那就是說為什麽常常有行政院的案子會被丟到?因為大家會很輕鬆,大家作為野極公主們要看嘛,你會結束以後有提出一條法案嘛。所以於是從行政院異公告的版本大家會抄嘛。我剛才講黃國昌委員,你那個所謂的親民政案審的,最好是委員會審的。本來是科技政策啊,你把它改為行政副公告。所以那種還是抄行政院異公告的版本嘛。所以大家不要再講, |
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不要說穿嘛!你都知道啊!你也是台灣人真的很辛苦的,要寫名譜、要問證等等。所以,法案的A級樣也必須存在,有公民們的問題。這個講穿就是這麼一回事。所以今天,我比較誠懇還是講說, |
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既然副主席總召同意今天不出委員會那什麼事情都好談我們會馬上來就請他大概來簽一個協商結論也就是說草案協商本來就可以排除冷凍期一個冷凍期這絕對沒有問題第二個7月16號以後以前已經要完成三度不然有不同條件也要表決 |
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第三個,當然最關鍵的,今天大家一直討論沒有關係,高中委員,你說這一個關鍵,你是最關鍵的人,只要不出委員會,因為你一出委員會,到底哪一個版本明天都不一樣,所以那個版本怎麼要回頭來併呢?所以這個是關鍵,請大家善思好不好?以上所講的,都是不改革問題。 |
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這是民生法案,沒有什麼不相迷惘,也不是說誰想有什麼功勞可以收割,我們議會法委員很重要做自己,不要整天在政公委跟我做事,我比較支持委員者。好,非常謝謝柯總召在這邊的補充說明,謝謝您。你今天特別冷靜齁,沒有在這邊,這個。 |
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二、繼續審查新住民基本法草案案。三、繼續審查新住民基本法草案案。 |
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謝謝我們的柯總召這樣子好不好因為現在已經11點45了我們大家已經到討論到第6條了那我們還是繼續來審因為現在是兩個層次我覺得委員會裡面的程序我們還是讓他走完然後至於 |
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第6條保留 |
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羅美玲等委員第4條,委員蘇巧慧第7條。 |
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我們剛剛保留了好不好對剛剛內政部長也幫你們已經有說過了好不好第6條謝謝我們現在來談劉美玲的提案第4條委員蘇巧慧提案第7條王美惠提案第5條大家來看一下他在第1313頁 |
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有沒有委員要提一下?羅美玲委員是說政府應該在每年針對新住民總體支持事項檢討並改進,它的內容應該要包括幾項,在這邊。然後蘇巧惠委員的提案是說,新住民委員會要擬定新住民事務發展計畫,然後要經行政院核定的時候, |
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政府推動新住民事務的依據前項計畫的擬定要考量新住民的特殊性跟權益,然後四年檢討一次。美會委員的提案是說,新住民委員會應該要考量全國新住民 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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都差不多只是巧惠委員跟美惠委員是用條例來羅列然後美玲委員的還有幾個這個事項講得比較清楚請黃婕委員謝謝 |
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好 那我這一條是針對美玲的第4條跟巧慧的第7條來對照提出修正動議那我的修正動議的重點就是要把經費的來源跟分配以及其他的相關事項還有成效的分析都放進去所以我的文字是比較長一點的 |
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那這個是我對照其實是主要是對照僑會的第7條大家可以看一下我認為主要還是經費啦就是經費的來源跟如何分配應該要把這個計劃的內容裡面要寫清楚是很重要的以上建議謝謝所以黃婉婕委員的提案就是這個修正動議是跟這個羅美玲委員比較相近就是把她的相關寫得非常的清楚好請問一下其他委員有沒有意見 |
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我們來聽一下相關部會的意見是請移民署署長來說明一下,謝謝 |
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跟各位委員報告,剛剛已經有提到這個訂定新住民的支持或發展計畫這個部分,因為這是克與新住民委員會的一個權責,剛剛我們前面新住民委員會那個條文已經保留了,那是不是這個部分我們也建議是保留? |
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其實署長不好意思這個部分其實是講說他要做什麼事情其實跟那個也沒有關係所以他只是想講得非常清楚而已所以你認為美玲委員巧惠委員美惠委員還有黃婕委員他們所包括黃婕委員的這個修正動議你支不支持呢這幾個部分你比較偏向支持美玲委員還是巧惠委員的還是美惠委員的 |
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還是你有什麼文字要修正還是把他們幾個委員的版本放在一起來文字修正因為這個其實是跟他有沒有那個是沒有關係的主席主席他剛才回答這樣覺得很親切 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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謝謝昭緯給我們這個機會跟大家來做一下報告就是說我們原來在那個部裡頭審查的時候希望設一個專責機構那對於各個委員所提出來的這個修正動議其實都可以納為參考但是既然要納為參考的話就必須要回復到以前我們所說的我們要設專責機構還是設委員會因為設委員會的話呢它是刻以跨部會 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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就好像說我們在定這個新住民的這個權益保障法的時候呢其實跟司法或是法治單位也有一點點不太一樣那但是呢我們會願意把各位委員的意見呢做一個收整之後呢然後做一個比較完整的版本 |
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因為如果沒有完整的版本就是上面的架構沒有出來下面的完整版本的話你要賦予誰的權責如果是新住民委員會然後主管機關委員會的召集人是行政院長還是政務委員這個我們就不敢做確定但是如果未來的權責是在內政部的話呢我就可以在這個地方跟大家講說未來我內政部可以處理的權責範圍可以做的權益保障跟基本的保障範圍在哪裡可以做比較明確的說明以上 |
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其他相關委員有提出說明嗎? |
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李英委員蘇巧惠第4條蘇巧惠委員第7條美惠委員第5條這個條文大概都是在講就是說在第13頁裡面然後政府這個羅美玲委員的版本是說政府應該要每年針對我國新住民總體支持事項檢討並改進他的內容應該有這樣子那麼多那蘇巧惠委員是說新住民委員會 |
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應該要擬定新住民事務還有發展計劃經行政院核定的時候作為他還有講到經直轄縣市政府推動新住民事務的依據然後全項計劃的擬定要考量新住民的特殊性跟權益然後四年檢討一次那個王美惠委員的意的意見也跟這個他只是沒有講說這個在在各地方 |
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直轄縣市要推動的依據。黃婕委員是跟羅美玲委員比較像,但是我剛剛要回應一下部長還有署長的意見就是說,其實不管你是在專責經過或者什麼,其實這些事情都是他們要做的嘛,那其實這個條文應該跟前面我們所保留的應該不會有相關的很大的衝擊。 |
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只是在希望你們在這個這個討論的時候應該要怎麼樣然後比較有有一點意見的就是要四年檢討一次不管你未來有沒有成立這個專責機關或者是我們有一個原民會其實這些他都是不是原民會是新住民這個委員會他都必須做這些事情嘛對不對以上是我的補充說明請慢一針委員待會是牛錫廷委員 |
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總體支持四項檢討並改進,羅美玲委員的那幾項,您都同意嗎? |
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我們現在請那個游許廷委員我看他 我是還蠻 我覺得修正東西部分還不錯啊因為把內容寫得很清楚嘛 那 |
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新住民支持政策的基本方向。第二、於各領域的具體措施。第三、成效分析。第四、經費來源分配。第五、支持相關事項。這五項不管是專責機關,不管你想是內政部下面的師,或者是有機會來成立專責新住民委員會,我認為這幾項都是要做的啦,都是要做的。但是我覺得是不是可以再做個再修正啦,就是把 |
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這個特殊性跟權益然後每幾年檢討修正的條文納進去啦就等於兼採羅美玲委員跟這個蘇曉慧委員的版本的好的地方嘛就把它寫出來那我覺得這個東西其實跟到底前面是不是專政機關沒有直接相關難得有個條文大家有共識可以通過你看我們今天討論的意義就在這裡嘛所以我是覺得是不是可以做個再修正把檢討其實放進來然後我們這一條就終於有個共識可以通過而不是送保留協商以上謝謝好 請羅美玲委員謝謝召委 |
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謝謝各位委員的支持,當初我會第4條這裡說,會把它擬定為每年,是其實希望說每一年都有滾動式的這個改進,每一年都有滾動式的這個檢討,其實就像剛剛趙薇所講,其實我擬定的,裡面的內容其實很多,其實我們 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法》案。五、繼 |
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新住民支持具體的措施的時候,要邀集相關學者、專家和民間團體代表列席陳述意見,您堅持嗎? |
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這個部分的話,就看行政單位再執行起來的話,會不會有困擾。比如說,因為有些可能他們修就可以了,如果你還要大費周章找專家或民眾團體,每一個點都要這麼做,可能會有困難,所以還是要聽聽行政單位的意見。好,我們聽聽行政單位,署長還是部長要回應? |
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沒有意見羅美玲委員意見沒問題所以我們現在來決定一下黃婕委員跟羅美玲委員的12345都一樣只是要邀集相關學者專家美玲意見跟黃婕委員如果你們沒有意見的話 |
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其實只是增加了嚴明制定或檢討新住民支持具體措施時,得邀集相關學者、專家和民間團體代表列席陳述意見。 |
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暫定第6條之一因為對我們順著條文下來的第6條之一好謝謝議事人員提醒羅美玲委員的第4條蘇巧慧委員的第7條美惠委員的第5條以及黃婕委員的修正動議然後按照這幾位委員的提案還有修正動議我們把它改為第6條之一 |
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暫定第6條之一然後大家看一下這樣子的一個文字修正所以現在是要要在第6條之一是要加入嚴明制定這個邀集相關學者專家還是按照黃婕委員的就不這個邀集專家去整所以黃婕委員是沒零意見好好非常快現在呢我們這個第6條之一我們就按照羅美玲委員的 |
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提案修正通過。 |
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羅美玲等22人提案的案子通過。現在處理羅美玲委員提案第5條,還有蘇巧慧委員第8條。 |
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羅美玲委員我們不要休息好不好不好意思我們還是要宣告一下我們中午就不休息我們把它討論結束因為這樣還會留時間給我們的三黨去討論一下今天的決議來剛剛講是第幾頁第14頁 |
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第14頁羅美玲委員第5條為了嚴明制定或檢討相關支持的事項政府應該要每5年進行調查其實跟剛剛那有一點像你一定計劃並且要將調查結果公開在網路美玲委員這5年是不是比較長一點?蘇巧惠委員是2年 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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它是調查啦擬定計劃跟前面的跟前面其實是不太一樣前面那個的話就是說它是屬於比較針對於這個就是你要去就是具體措施你要就是擬定具體措施它這個是屬於比較屬於調查的這個部分那五年的話時間比較能夠看得出這個變化兩年的話有時時間太短還看不到它這個整個整體的這個變化這跟前面其實是不太一樣的 |
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所以我們再看一下那個文字喔,不好意思,僑會委員的是為了嚴寧前條所定的新住民事務還有發展計畫,他要特別講事務跟發展計畫,然後政府要每兩年進行新住民社會經濟調查,有寫得非常清楚就是社會經濟調查,然後把它公佈結果,但是美玲委員的就是 |
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只有擬定計劃,然後相關支持的事項這個部分,然後要把公開於網路。但巧惠委員有特別講到新住民的社會經濟調查,所以巧惠委員跟您的可能這方面就是比較不一樣。 |
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我們請鴻祿 剛剛鴻祿委員有舉手 不好意思 待會再美玲委員我覺得這一題當然有點不一樣啦這一條但我覺得我個人是 我們先決定幾年啦這個幾年比較容易處理啦我個人也是支持五年啦你其實兩年變化不大啦這樣子的調查在勞民傷財所以我個人也傾向五年好 再請美玲委員 |
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新住民事務及發展計劃及社會經濟調查 |
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的確是我們是比較贊成是五年一次啦因為兩年的時間有的時候真的是第一個這個調查工作也很繁複然後變化可能也不大啦這個部分是這個樣子然後再來是 |
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我們建議的有一個文字,就是說每5年辦理新住民的生活狀況、工作狀況、衛生醫療及各項照顧服務措施,然後供這個需求狀況來調查,然後並應出版或公布調查研究結果。 |
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你是這樣子的話那其實我覺得因為我們的上一條第4條是通過羅美玲委員的因為計畫上面上前一條就計畫了你看到了沒有他有新住民支持政策的基本方向我國新住民支持政策於各領域中的具體措施相關具體措施的成效分析新住民支持經費的來源跟分配其他新住民支持相關的事項所以這相關的事項其實就是 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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徐宇甄委員的第8條有明確寫出新住民事務跟發展計畫進行新住民社會經濟調查我覺得這個比較完整的說出我們希望做的部分因為羅委員的版本沒有寫得那麼的仔細所以是不是可以把它兩個併在一起 |
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因為巧惠委員今天沒有在但是呢就是看看大家有沒有意見兩個文字要怎麼修訂我們是原來的是生活狀況調查其實也就包括了他剛所講的生活狀況其實就包括了社會經濟調查嘛是不是還有發展計畫也在裡面了是嗎是 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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公開與網路、是不是應該是網站? |
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來網站跟網路請問一下這個羅美玲委員您的看法因為這是要通過您的這個這個我是做可以做文字修正對網站對網站來第6條鎮定鎮定鎮定的第6條之二調查的結果公開於網站把那個路把它改為站好嗎我們就按照這樣子 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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二、繼續審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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第7條有民眾黨團和國民黨團的提案。然後委員的提案是張智倫等委員王美惠的提案第7條。蘇巧惠委員提案第6條。邱振軍委員提案的第8條。我們看一下第14頁。 |
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這是設置發展基金還有它的來源然後民眾黨的是希望由中央政府循預算程序的撥款然後民間的捐款然後相關的法令規定的撥款還有其他收入等充資那國民黨團前項的基金來源由中央政府也是一樣循預算程序撥款民間捐款然後是跟民眾黨團是相近的 |
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張智倫委員的版本要設置新住民發展基金,基金的運用辦法用新住民事務委員會定資。全項基金來委也跟國民黨團一樣。巧惠委員的版本是推動新住民和他的子女以及家庭照顧、輔導、服務、人力資源培訓和發展建構多元文化。 |
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有效整合政府以及民間的資源,特別要設置新住民發展基金,然後新住民發展基金的收支保管運用辦法是由行政院來定資。然後,美會委員的版本也是,它是依照相關法令規定的撥款和其他收入,也是由中央政府循預算程序撥款。 |
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二、繼續審查中央政府預算程序。三、繼續審查中央政府預算程序。四、繼續審查中央政府預算程序。四、繼續審查中央政府預算程序。四、繼續審查中央政府預算程序。四、繼續審查中央政府預算程序。四、繼續審查中央政府預算程序。四、繼續審查中央政府預算程序。 |
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好 謝謝我的問題是因為現在還沒有確定到底是司還是委員會所以在這邊機構的部分是不是先不要寫明或者是說看內政部有什麼建議那我認為訂基金是很好的我覺得這一條應該要訂好 謝謝我們請劉學廷委員基金部 |
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所以您在您的意思是說在 |
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第一項的後面是不是由新住民委員會這邊就寫專責機關還來請美會 |
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好 我們先聽劉雪芹委員她的建議她的建議就是說就是把那個新住民事務委員會這些名稱就是把它改為專責機關或者是主管機關我們請這個哪一位要來主計總處好 我們請主計總處謝謝 |
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主席各位委員大家好主席總處這邊說明一下這邊有關提到基金收支保安運用辦法的訂定因為我們預算法21條其實已經有提到說政府設立的特種基金它的收支保安運用辦法由行政院訂之所以我們這邊是建議說直接回歸到預算法21條的規定訂定就好了不用在這一個新住民基本法或是權益保障法這邊來訂定之這是第一個建議 |
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第二項這邊有提到說有委員提到說基金的來源由政府循預算程序之撥款等等那因為新住民基金其實是94年他就設立了那他的運作一向就是由政府循預算程序來撥款協助他運作那目前運作的機制也沒有什麼摯愛 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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召外界去質疑說你跟財政紀律法規定說設基金應該要有具有國庫撥補以外新政事主裁員的一個這樣子的要件所以我們是建議說第二項的部分有關基金來源的部分就是回到現有的這個撥補程序來辦理就好了就是不用另訂第二項以上說明 |
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好我們謝謝這個代專門委員對於基金的部分你的說明那剛剛講到新住民事務委員會由機關那個事由署長來回應嗎 |
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對,因為剛剛劉許廷委員有特別講就是說那個部分的文字他的基金的運用辦法是由新住民事務委員會定之嘛那現在是說新住民事務委員會因為名稱還沒有定所以是不是專者機關或主管機關 |
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所以所以我們我們是不是這一條我是看起來是覺得說書小會委員這個版本我們是比較覺得跟現狀也配合我們也做得到然後這個書小會委員的這個這個目前的這個泥的吼跟 |
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看起來他第二項也提到是由行政院定之,跟剛剛主席總書的意見也是一致的。就是他的發展基金的收支、保管和運用辦法是由行政院定之。對對對。但是呢至於這個名稱是由這個專政機關或主管機關。就暫時在這邊,這邊就也不必提了。就不必提。對。要設置新住民發展的。好,我們看一下蘇巧慧委員的條文是, |
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為了推動新住民跟他子女以及家庭照顧、輔導、服務、人力資源培訓,還有發展建構多元文化社會,有效整合政府還有民間的資源,特別要設置新住民發展基金會。然後沒有會 |
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新住民發展基金收支的保管還有運用的辦法由行政院定之。請問一下這個其他委員的這個張智倫委員你有提案然後民眾黨團的提案對第6條我們看一下蘇巧慧委員的第6條第15頁 |
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主任你還有意見嗎?對,來請說明 |
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我這邊再補充一下,因為預算法21條其實已經有明定說政府設立的特種基金收支保安用辦法由行政院定制了,所以原則上蘇巧惠委員的版本第二項其實也不用再重複訂定,就是說你只要賦予這個新住民基金目前有一個設置法源,在這個那個新住民基本法有一個設置的法源就好了,不用再提到說收支保安用辦法由行政院定制,回歸預算法21條就可以了。 |
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不用第二項,可是第七條我們就是在講設置發展基金還有它的來源呢?是不是寫一下也沒有影響到嘛?對不對?寫上去應該也沒有影響到嘛? |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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你是代專門委員嗎所以其實呢有沒有寫是無所謂嘛對不對不會有影響到啦但是如果我們按照前面我們有很多條文是保留的我們這邊還是把它留下來可能會好一點啦大家的意見依蘇巧惠對巧惠委員的條版本對好不好好羅美玲委員謝謝莊委員等一下我們請羅美玲委員再需一貞委員對不起謝謝 |
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我是比較支持蘇巧惠委員的版本因為蘇巧惠委員的版本其實就是涵蓋現在我們移民署做的事項因為他這個基金不單單只有獎勵的部分其實他在人力資源培訓的部分其實做的也很多所以比較符合現況所有版本裡面我看是巧惠委員的這個部分是比較OK的謝謝美玲委員來請徐宇珍委員 |
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因為根據張智倫委員跟我們黨版的部分因為我們裡面有提到的是政府會賠利新住民推動本法第10條第11條、第14條、第15條跟第17條的事務跟獎勵措施可能跟這個蘇喬惠委員的這個他的陳述有一點有點不太一樣那是不是我們的部分請問一下這個陳述在蘇喬惠委員裡面的有增加跟沒有的部分我補充一下我們的第10條是講學術啦 |
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他這個裡面講人力資源培訓是沒有錯這個部分是有重疊但是我沒有特別講學術研究的部分那11條是語言推廣14條是弱勢關懷這個有沒有問題15條是媒體禁用媒體禁用權然後16條是文化交流這個也有所以至少在學術的部分語言推廣的部分跟媒體禁用的部分看是不是用文字的方式補充在喬惡委員的版本裡面讓他敘述是完整的那這個法條精神我們黨版精神有被確保我想應該也是一個可以 |
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至於說單位跟辦法我們倒覺得心態可以開放只要行政院可以好好用主要是這個基金的用途可以被明確的定義我想這個法條就有意義謝謝牛許廷委員說的因為我們第10條、第11條、第14條、第15條跟第17條剛剛因為牛許廷委員有特別來說明一下了就是沒有的部分是不是用文字把它列上去然後在巧惠委員的版本裡面我們來看一下 |
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那是不是這請請請我們的議事人員來看一下有剛剛那個劉許廷委員有講是不是可以再講一遍你們的有哪一些是要增加的我們的第10條是鼓勵學術發展所以鼓勵學術研究學術的部分這是巧惠委員版本沒有的吧對對對學術好然後11條是11條是無障礙語言環境無障礙語言的部分語言環境 |
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來請醫生員這個有了嗎好再來第14條呢14條應該有14條是關懷弱勢弱勢有沒有關懷弱勢有了照顧不老服務嘛應該就應該可以啦好第15條15條媒體禁用媒體禁用所以我們要增加媒體禁用對關懷補助然後第17條實際上應該是寫錯應該是16條啦喔16條 |
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十六條是公共參與跟多元文化交流建構多元文化社會應該OK建構多元文化社會公共參與是要另外再加進去 |
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來看一下文字這個修正文美玲委員主席我想請問一下就剛好沒有提到一個學術研究就是本法第10條學術研究我想我想了解一下說他的學習研究是一個怎麼樣的一個方式對他到底是要針對的 |
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因為新住民他的來源果非常的多不像說原住民我們就是就是固定的族群客家有客家可是我現在就是說新住民他來自這麼多的國家而我們的所謂的學術研究是類似怎麼樣的一個 |
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一個方式我比較疑惑一點這可能是不是提案委員要幫忙說明一下我們來說明一下國民黨團由牛維文來學術第10條是這樣寫就是說獎勵新住民學術研究鼓勵大專院校設立新住民學術相關院系系所學位學成發展跟後職相關知識體系那我覺得OK啦比如說政大民族系 |
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他當然就跟這個是有一定的相關他如果要推一個相關的新住民的學程有20個學分的這樣子的一個模式能不能得到一部分的補助我想這就是具體的一個模式可以做參採我想這個量體應該不會大因為是像畢竟是少數族群但是還是有學術現場應該還是有一些針對新住民的做研究的一個部分看是不是能夠佐以鼓勵跟支持以上好 請問一下美玲委員 |
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我們現在歡迎巧惠委員就提案委員本人到了現場我們現在針對你的第6條然後我們大家都覺得你的這個第6條都蠻好的所以呢看一下有一些增加的部分請問一下巧惠委員我們看一下這個文字我覺得是這樣子我可以馬上加入沒有問題 |
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我本來這樣寫的原因是因為是從家庭嘛然後到公共這樣的狀況那到最後你看是社會建構多元社會然後整合政府跟民間資源坦白講啦你現在紅字的這幾行我都不反對但是老實講就是 |
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你寫這些了之後那還有沒有其他的這就跟每次我們在訂法律的概念是一樣就是說你寫得越細那到時候大家解讀出來就會越有說那其他的呢沒寫到的是不是還算在裡面呢 |
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所以我們當時寫的時候不會說只有在沒有把它寫得那麼細而是說你看第一個部分是家庭嘛對不對然後第二個部分是人資的部分然後馬上就到社會然後到政府跟民間資源的目的是在於這樣因為等於這一些你說國際學術發展、無障礙語言環境、媒體經驗、公共參與權其實你也可以都把它說就是整合在民間跟政府資源裡面了 |
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我覺得我學習到的這個在寫法律法條的這個文字的時候對為什麼我原版為什麼會這樣寫沒有把紅字我先再次說明紅字我都不反對我都不反對只是你寫越多後面未來的人不是今天坐在這個會議室的人就會開始解讀沒有寫在這上面的那還是不是呢等等會有這樣的問題所以所以我這個建議讓大家參考一下 |
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好,非常謝謝喬惠委員的這個提案的說明部分以及他他沒有不支持這個紅字的部分啦他也支持就是說就是說是不是如果寫這麼多的話未來我們還沒有想到的是不是要再寫進去請問一下蔓依珍委員所以我們可以寫疑其他對新住民的相關的事務啊對不對對啊,就寫疑其他因為我們這個要訂這個法齁其實我們說實在是要讓政府 |
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替新住民多做一點事情所以這裡面最重要的就是有效整合政府及民間資源嘛那我們的目的是什麼我們是構建多元文化社會所以你只要有這兩句在裡面的話你世界所有的紅字的和未來我們還可以想到更多的其他其實都應該可以你只要解釋的時候讓他可以解釋在裡面通通都合用啊我會覺得這樣的空間反而是比較大的會不會符合尤其今天在座有兩位新住民委員在這裡齁 |
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會不會這樣其實是更能夠保障大家的權益,未來解釋的空間更大。好,來我們請一下這個相關部會次請這個移民署嗎?你來回應一下這個文字第7條。好,請部長,謝謝。 |
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謝謝各位委員的關心我相信聽了很多委員對於這一條或是相關的修正動議的說法我認為說那個委員蘇巧慧所提的這個提案比較能夠符合在法律上面第一個就是說它的涵蓋面它是用一個概括性的方式來陳述 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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14037.863 |
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有關於設置新住民的發展基金,理論上如果你要設置在官方單位的發展基金或是基金的話,它的相關的收支、保管及運用辦法確定是由行政院定資,而不是由所謂的新住民委員會。 |
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因為新住民委員會到目前為止還沒有經過三讀通過而且他委員會成立以後呢他還是要有一個這個基金的收支保管運用辦法還是由行政院定之也就是說財主單位所提到了按照預算法21條裡面所寫的這個部分的話呢目前為止呢我覺得蘇巧慧委員她的提案呢更能夠符合我們各位委員在提出所謂的預算或者是包含的範圍裡面呢比較有效能夠在未來執行 |
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謝謝部長,預算的部分剛剛已經講完了,現在就是只針對第7條的部分,就是有一些那個想要服務想要去發展的這些部分,可能再多寫一點文字,因為這些文字應該你沒有意見吧? |
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那現在就是看大家這個我可以精簡一下啦我們剛剛商量就是媒體禁用公共餐飲跟文化交流其實跟多元文化社會概念是一樣的所以這一把整併進去但我是覺得學術發展跟午餐的語言環境是可以值得重點投入的嘛因為你新住民要做出一些成績我覺得在這部分有所作為應該是大家都同意的面向這樣比較簡單然後重複的概念我們都盡量做整合啦 |
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那我再補充我接著許婷補充一下我覺得如果要無障礙語言環境的話因為此時此刻我們立法的現在113年民國我覺得無障礙語言環境我們可以考慮就是比較是一個亮點這樣可是比如說好了我們用鼓勵學術發展好了那你新住民家庭子你為什麼不鼓勵體育發展為什麼不鼓勵技藝發展為什麼不鼓勵其他發展你光是寫一個鼓勵學術發展 |
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我剛參加完畢業典禮我們不是鼓勵適才適性嗎為什麼特別寫一個這個所以我的建議是如果許廷宜那個女委員覺得說後面OK了可以融入的話那我是建議要不要留無障礙語言環境特別強調我是覺得學術發展好像反而有點偏 |
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因為你看人力資源培訓及發展其實就在鼓勵學術發展裡面了啊對不對你鼓勵各式各樣的都是人力資源培訓發展了嘛好請問一下美玲委員跟蔓玉珍委員你們兩位很重要我們想聽你們意見我是 |
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我剛剛有發言了,其實我是支持巧惠委員的,因為比較符合現行無障礙委員,多加這個無障礙委員無障礙其實他就是鼓勵多國委員的意思啦,現在也是很積極鼓勵在座這部分的話我是還蠻支持啦,所以你去提我也這個部分 |
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三、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
14239.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
14239.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
14254.632 |
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| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
請內政部確認 |
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那等一下,我們請念這部分確認之前,我們也請麥玉珍發表一下您的說明。對,因為剛剛美玲委員有提,因為我們非常尊重你們兩位。好,因為我們是要增加每一個項目就是,大家就是,沒有不同的意見嘛。所以我想說,如果這樣子的話,我們就及其他有助新住民發展之事務,就把它放進來,就是相關就可以了嘛,對不對?你準備是放在哪一個文字後面? |
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就在第7這邊的第7條在哪裡為了推動新住民與其子女及家庭照顧輔導服務人力資源培訓以及發展無障礙語言環境建構多元文化社會的後面對不對對對對然後您再說明一下就是及其他有助新住民發展事務 |
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14356.227 |
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發展知識物發展知識物這樣是不是就比較不會有爭議比較彈性啦就不會說把所有的項目都加進來這樣其他有助新住民發展知識物其實有加跟沒加是OK的有加的感覺更清楚一點就是其他沒有講到的都在你這邊這個文字上面 |
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14383.334 |
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好 我們請那個署長來發表一下您的看法就是剛剛有講到就是沒有文字名列上面的你們是不是都在做?其實剛剛講那個鼓勵學術研究其實我們現在基金其實每年也都有在都有嘛都有在辦因為是那個就是說跟新住民議題的一些研究那這個每年都有在做事實上 |
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14385.175 |
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14402.088 |
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所以那個學術加不加沒問題但是其他有助新住民發展無障礙語言環境我覺得我們現在也做同意服務那是不是寫無障礙語言環境到底是你的文字應該怎麼寫比較符合你現狀 |
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我的想法是通譯服務就可以了通譯服務通譯服務跟無障礙語言環境好像是不太一樣一個叫做無障礙語言環境那通譯只是在現場的時候有人來幫你幫你翻譯而已這兩個可能不太一樣喔因為循序漸進嘛 |
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今天我們其實是在修法跟立法就是希望能夠更清楚啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
主席 |
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因為我現在的意思就是說,他裡面意見包含很多啦,感覺有需要再寫這個啦,你的意見是怎樣啦?其實是,原來的文字幾乎都包括在內的啦,我覺得啦。好,等一下這個,蔓玉珍委員,如果說是您看一下,他的子女還有家庭照顧、輔導、服務、人力資源、培訓, |
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是不是都已經包含了你們剛剛最後那一句說有助新住民發展的事物?對,就不用了,只是多一個無障礙語言環境,還有建構多元文化社會。 |
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14529.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法》案。五、繼 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
14553.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
14573.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
趙書巧會委員提案版本,然後修正通過。好,繼續我們來看一下羅美玲的提案第6條,委員書巧會委員的第10條,王美惠委員的第9條,邱振軍委員的第4條,他在第16頁,大家看一下。 |
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14595.627 |
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美玲委員的第6條這個是對於語言的部分還有民俗慶典和文化價值的部分來看第6條這個條文就是請委員參酌一下如果有意見的話請舉手有一些說明好嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
14617.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
秋政軍委員第4條是說新住民享有憲法保障的各項基本人權應該不受歧視、排擠、剝奪或限制然後政府對於不同國籍或地區的新住民行政措施要一律平等這個是權力保障 |
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| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
14635.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
邱政軍委員的第四條是權力保障我們請邱政軍委員說明我們是站在人權的基本立場上來定這樣的一個法律因為我想因為新住民有因為國籍的問題有些會受到排擠 |
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那我們希望在這個條文定下去之後能夠在實現法律面前人人平等的原則以這個社會發展做出貢獻實現多元文化的和諧共存這個目的那我們當然是希望這個部分不要因為來自不同的國家而受到不同的待遇我想這個應該是法律之前人人平等這個一定要把它 |
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| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
三、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
14719.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
這部法律在一開始的時候審查的時候我從上一次就是在問我們到底是要用基本法還是是要用權益保障法也就是作用法這個差別會在這一條就會完全顯現出來了大家可以看一下這個以羅美玲在第16頁羅美玲委員的版本裡面是政府應提供這些多元文化及語言宣導以增進民眾對不同文化 |
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| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
政府應尊重政府應尊重政府應尊重政府應尊重政府應尊重政府應尊重政府應尊重 |
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寫法到底要是什麼因為包括像邱正軍邱委員這邊喔那這個部分這到底是一個什麼樣的狀況我覺得文字的落款會完全不一樣所以這邊的話我具體的建議就是好那大家討論完一輪以後可能要稍微保留一下 |
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14793.515 |
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好 謝謝 邱政軍委員其實對您的條例應該也不堅持嘛因為其他委員的都是應提供或應尊重是是是 他有提到啦 這個就是立這個法的時候是權益保障法還是基本法所以這個應該是要先把它訂出來齁對我們來說後面推對的那我們先保留啦好不好不是我們前面基本法還是作用法根本已經保留了 |
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14794.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
羅美玲委員第6條、蘇巧會員第10條、王美惠委員第9條、邱正軍委員第10條 |
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| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
14840.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
現在來審查第8條有民眾黨團和國民黨團提案第8條張智倫委員第8條、蘇巧慧委員、邱正軍委員第9條大家看一下這個部分是有關於國家考試增訂新住民事務科目的部分國民黨的第8條是推動新住民的文化發展張智倫委員是推動新住民的文化發展 |
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| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
14860.797 |
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僑會委員國家考試設立新住民相關類科因應新住民公務需求。秋政軍委員保障文化權利跟推動新住民文化發展,尊重保護新住民文化權利。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
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前項重點發展就要任用一定比例的新住民的導覽人員他是比較導覽人員然後介紹跟推廣新住民語言以及文化他的任用規則是由中央主管由主管機關定制然後在前兩項的業務在第四條委員會設立前施行然後要協調移民署來配合辦理我們剛剛 |
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14919.264 |
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我們剛剛在第4條的部分是有保留所以提醒各位委員然後請各位委員來說明一下羅美玲委員像我自己的版本我就張智倫委員他有提到要發展那個北中南東的這新住民文化重點發展區我這部分我沒有我沒有我的版本裡面沒有這個那當然我有看到民眾黨民眾黨的大概也是麥毓珍委員提的 |
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14946.892 |
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張智倫也沒有提其實我們大概很清楚為什麼我們沒有放這一個因為像這個我想他這個可能是參考客家基本法客家基本法裡面有提到說政府應該在北中南東這個設立這個客家文化重點發展區他把他拉進來了可是像客家他有客家莊那也許原住民原住民還有部落可是因為新住民他是散居的 |
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14947.532 |
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14948.513 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
14962.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
14967.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民國家文化》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民國家文化》案。 |
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第8條羅委員您版本好像是沒有對不對你沒有放這一條好沒有放這個東西解釋就剛剛那個OK好謝謝那民眾黨團蔓玉珍委員 |
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您只有在考試上面,也沒有北中南東?對,我們是沒有去分,我們沒有去分說北中南東,但是照現在目前我們的文化部的話,就是對於,文化部都以就是新住民,不是那個美學館,也是有分張紙北中南東來去服務新住民,都有這樣,可能是因為 |
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我們這邊的委員想說是不是有這個概念所以才提這樣我這邊我就沒有去限制好我們請喬惠委員好謝謝主席我覺得這個因為行政作業的關係那我們這個議事人員把這幾條通通放在這個格子裡面但其實這是完全不一樣的事情民眾黨的這個提案跟我本人的第9條 |
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對是比較像那我如果是民眾黨版跟我自己的版本的話我會建議麥委員是不是可以參考一下我寫的條文呢因為我們兩個在講的應該是一樣的事情但我的條文吼我有主詞就是政府政府因你看你們的版本裡面吼這個好像可以加一下 |
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政府應於國家考試,設立新住民事務相關類科,以因應新住民公務之需求。那你的後面的第二行開始,有助於提升重視、增進公務人員,這些本來就是這部法定了以後要做的事情了,其實沒有寫我覺得應該完全沒有問題。 |
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所以我覺得我們兩邊是比較接近的那建議可以採用我的版本但是反過來國民黨版以及張智倫委員版本的和邱俊勳委員的版本他們在講的是一樣的事情就是在新住民事務當中要不要設置北中南東的文化重點發展區等等那我是建議大家是不是可以參查一下剛剛羅美玲委員的意見因為他人家他新住民委員真正在這裡生活這麼多年很清楚的剛剛告訴我們 |
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15133.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
15155.174 |
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新住民跟台灣目前的客家族群原住民族群不太一樣他們不是依在台灣生活的北中南東來區分而是依他們的母國文化來做族群的區分所以羅委員剛剛的建議具體是說這條是不是就不要放那請大家斟酌一下我剛剛提的兩個意見 |
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15179.2 |
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民眾黨跟僑會委員的版本因為你們在後面都有講到就是考試的部分你們是針對考試部分他要針對這個條文要放的時候其實會有點困難所以就把那個張智倫委員跟國民黨因為他們後面也都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
15179.48 |
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政府應與國家考試。最後一項是政府應與國家考試增訂新住民事務相關類科以因應新住民公務之需求。最後一項是政府應與國家考試。 |
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15202.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
15204.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
15225.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
15232.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
政府應於國家考試設立新住民事務相關類科以因應新住民公務之需求。 |
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15272.378 |
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我這邊謝謝剛剛我們主席的分享把這條文弄得更清楚因為我這邊當時提這個的原因是因為我希望說這個很多的新住民他可能需要不要就是都侷限在某一區啦所以我當時才想說是不是涉北中南東的重點發展區那這部分我是不是可以請行政單位可以來說明一下好我們請行政單位來說明一下是誰考選部有意見你有什麼意見 |
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15274.096 |
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15296.742 |
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所以你就是針對北中南東那個有意見嗎?好,那請問署長這個北中南東現在你們的這個執行的狀況是怎樣?在北中南東都有新住民文化發展重點區嗎?這個的確是有一點困難,因為...可是目前有沒有?因為剛剛麥玉珍委員說好像說北中南東跟美學館有... |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
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15298.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
張智倫委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
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15340.433 |
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我覺得我們這樣,我們給行政單位更大一點的彈性。然後第二個是內容的部分,因為我們的第9條,國民黨黨版跟民眾黨黨版第9條都在談語言跟文化交流。那把這個鼓勵設置重點文化區有沒有,把它納在第9條裡面。第8條我們就簡單一點,就單講國家考試,這樣比較有共識,好不好? |
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好,好,請問一下這個在場的委員,如果沒意見,我們就第8條就單獨談這個政府在國家考試應該要設立新住民相關相關的類科,然後要因應新住民公務之需求。我們按照這個書巧會委員的版本通過,好不好?來,考試院,您有什麼說明? |
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15370.539 |
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15386.588 |
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考選部這邊,因為我說明一下,因為現行的公務人員考試他是屬於任用的考試,那類課的話我們都會配合用人機關的業務需求,所以如果說到時候用人機關如果他確實有提出說 |
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確定要經由這個新住民的事務相關的類科來禁用這個的話那就是來說明說要設置在哪一個職系然後應適的專業科目啊預估的職缺等等的那經由行政院的人事行政總處這邊來匯轉到考學部這邊的話那我們這邊會依法來配合研議 |
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15409.415 |
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15416.829 |
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我們知道你的行政程序了,所以在法裡面放的話更有一個issue嘛,好不好?謝謝考選部的翁專門委員。好,請部長。 |
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15424.296 |
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15450.124 |
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那個蘇巧慧委員跟民眾黨黨團提到說國家考試的部分要有主持那個剛剛考選部的這個回應我覺得有一點要跟各位報告一下如果他是要應公職的部分的話可能他是需要具有中華民國國民的身份才能夠擔任公務人員但是現在我們在新住民的一些權益保障包括語言文化等等這些的輔導措施輔助措施的話他不一定 |
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15452.926 |
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15468.04 |
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當時有中華民國國民的身份所以可能這一部分要再寫清楚一點或者是說譬如說你你這個這個是什麼樣的考試譬如說只是在通譯服務上面把它提高成國家的層級然後由考試院來舉辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
15469.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
15471.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
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15495.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
主席主席主席主席 |
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15522.318 |
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15529.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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15546.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
15553.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
三、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
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15631.086 |
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沒有啊你沒有資格你等下那個國會議員要來他是兩邊陣我可能要接你你忘了我的名言嗎我拒絕接受沒有失誤的動盪我還是留在這裡對你還是留在這裡因為後續再來就是前面保留的部分我也不知道那後面怎麼樣後面也都還好欸你不能走欸我等下也要先走欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
15632.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
15638.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
因為我有國會議員來,我要去接待這次的議員呢?這次的議員呢?這次的議員呢?這次的議員呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
15659.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
15673.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會 |
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好 謝謝大家 大家可以一邊用餐 大家辛苦了那我們就一邊討論 第八條呢 我們就讓他保留好不好應該是第九條 我們把它全部 對 第八條 對不起我修正一下 第八條就按照書巧會委員等26人的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
16144.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
16144.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
16174.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
16179.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
好謝謝提醒來我們這個所有版本就是一起讓他保留好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
16186.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
16204.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
我們現在來處理第9條第9條第9條在20頁有民眾黨團、國民黨團以及張智倫等委員、羅美玲委員的提案、蘇巧慧委員的第14條、邱振軍委員提案的第10條我們看一下第20頁 |
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| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
16217.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
政府應辦理新住民語言認證與學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
16233.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
16247.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
徐新英委員修正動議羅美玲委員對於在台的新住民家庭政府應該要提供家庭諮詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
16274.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
余兒教育等服務,並在各縣市要設置家庭服務中心。對於前向家庭的子女,政府應該要提供輔導措施,以協助其適應學校的生活,並且要避免遭受歧視。這是羅美玲等22人的提案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
16275.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
16292.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
對於民眾黨、國民黨、張智倫委員、巧惠委員,大概都是在於語言辦理的部分跟學習。還有邱振鈞委員,是新住民和他的子女有權接受與本國國民同等的教育。 |
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16293.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
16307.894 |
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政府應該要提供必要的教育資源還有支援,確保新住民還有他的子女能夠順利適應和融入本國教育體系。政府應該要辦理新住民語言的認證跟學習,建立新住民語言資料庫。 |
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16308.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
鼓勵新住民語言研究發展還有人才的培育政府應該要提供獎勵措施結合各級學校家庭跟社區推動新住民語言還有華語言學習並提供新住民子女特殊教育的協助 |
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16326.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
16353.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
還有徐欣瑩的修正動議是說政府應該要提供獎勵措施要結合各級學校家庭跟社區推動新住民學習國家語言並提供新住民子女的教育和生活的協助所以基本上除了羅美玲委員跟邱正軍其實大家可能都差不多我們是不是請提案委員有沒有意見要提案說明補充說明的 |
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好請羅美玲委員謝謝主席因為我的第9條跟你是比較希望有家庭服務中心嘛是是其實家庭服務中心是移民署在各縣市其實就是有設置其實現階段是是已經有在做的部分啦那因為我我裡面的內容其實跟其他委員的內容是完全不一樣的對您是家庭諮詢對對我覺得放在這裡 |
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| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
放在這裏一起討論,我也不知道如何去做討論,因為這個內容完全不一樣。 |
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16398.799 |
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| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
請張智倫委員 |
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我現在跟那個議事人員討論的就是羅美玲委員我們就把它甄列出來至於放在哪裡請議事人員你們來調好不好但是呢我們現在針對就是民眾黨的第9條國民黨的第9條張智倫委員第9條蘇巧惠委員的第14條 |
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| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
還有邱政軍委員的第10條這幾個可能比較像一點的就是對於原住民語言的認證和學習然後要有資料庫要鼓勵新住民語言研究發展和人才培育這些政府就應該要提供獎勵的措施並且他要結合學校還有家庭跟社區來推動新住民語言跟 |
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16463.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
16468.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
華語言學習提供新住民子女特殊教育協助。 |
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16480.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
16509.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
好那如果美玲委員的那個要另外放我這個我尊重沒有問題那但是我我想因為我跟其他的不管是民眾黨國民黨張委員的提案略有不同之處我直接跟大家分享一下然後也請大家參酌一下我想我是在本條的第二項這個地方政府應提供獎勵措施結合各級學校家庭與社區推動新住民語言好接下來就是不同的地方了 |
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16530.663 |
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我寫的我的文字是我國語言學習而不是華語言學習我想既然是這部法律案是有要由我們的政府來提供的那我國的語言確實其實我相信在這塊土地上用的語言也不只是華語而已所以我是建議寫我國這個範圍也比較大比較廣比較符合現況這是第一個我建議用我國語言這樣子 |
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16537.168 |
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建議提供新住民子女的教育協助方面,我沒有寫特殊教育兩個字,我認為給新住民子女就是教育,不需要特殊的教育,特殊教育反而是標籤化的狀況。 |
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16553.524 |
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他們不管是需要學習母國的文化或者是在台灣的台灣的文化我國的文化又或者是銜接教育或者是融入教育或者真的有任何其他特別的需求那都是屬於教育的一環那我認為我這樣子直接寫教育提供教育服務範圍既廣且不標籤化我是請各位可以支持我的版本 |
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16589.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
非常謝謝這個僑會委員的這個說明再請洪路委員其實大家的利益都良善啦但我覺得啦 |
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16609.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
你要去保障新住民的學習什麼,我都很同意,有一層支持。不過,這邊都還有保障新住民語言認證學習,要建立新民主語言資料庫,鼓勵新住民語言研究發展跟人才培育。我覺得好像怪怪的,你知道嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
16610.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
16638.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
因為新住民他一個短暫的期間過後他應該就是中華民國的國民了我們應該讓他更認同台灣中華民國全世界各國的這個新住民法或移民法都沒有說還要保障他原本國的這個我們應該讓他儘早融入台灣才對啊我覺得這個邏輯大家是不是可能要思考一下這個很怪很奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
16640.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
16663.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
謝謝紅綠委員 請蔓玉珍委員謝謝 因為說真的我們就是要有這樣子的族群的去照顧啦不是說歧視保障 如果是說不用當然我們就用基本法嘛不是說因為是這樣子的保障或者是發展人才這樣的培育不好我們不是說因為他拿到身分證他就不用輔導了嗎拿到身分證他就 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
16667.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
16667.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
16686.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
16687.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
16705.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
16734.728 |
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好,來請這個徐新英委員謝謝主席本席的這個修正動議也是針對第9條兩個部分一個是語言一個就是新住民子女的教育和生活協助那所以語言的部分我本席的寫法跟巧惠委員是蠻像只是我是說學習國家語言跟我國語言應該是一樣看文字要怎麼用我沒有意見 |
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16763.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
那再來後面有關提供新住民子女的教育生活協助因為羅美玲委員的那個會另列我覺得那個也許那個家福中心那個也有幫助所以我大概在這邊說明如下我這個大概其他委員的大概都有涵蓋只是說文字上怎麼樣看大家的共識好謝謝我們請這個相關的單位有沒有什麼意見好我們請教育部謝謝 |
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16766.824 |
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16784.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
主席各位委員因為其實教育部對於新住民跟其子女在台一個適應的部分有提供華語的學習的相關資源那我們希望透過這樣子學習華語學習的資源部分讓他們盡快給融入我國的一個生活部分所以對於這樣子委員的條文部分要希望能夠建立一個新住民的一個 |
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語言認證部分其實我們有考慮過這個部分最主要是因為新住民他是來自不同的國籍那語言跟文化他有不同的特殊性那如果說要針對該國的語言去認證的話還是要回歸到該國的母語去認證會比較適合不是由第三方國家進行相關的一個認證其實我們查過相關的國際慣例也沒有這樣子的一個處理所以我們建議有關條文的部分其實會比較傾向網美會委員的一個文字會比較適當以上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
16822.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
蘇巧惠委員 |
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16833.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
16848.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
第14條第14條的部分其實第二項它的文字其實我們會比較我覺得在實際上落實會比較適合一點因為把那個特殊新住民子女特殊你要講的是特殊拿掉嘛對不對 |
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16851.012 |
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16864.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
僑會委員是說我國語言其他都是華語言所以在你們的那個名詞文字上面是哪一個我們現在正在實施的我們是華語對你這個可能是要提出來 |
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16865.209 |
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16894.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
所以這個巧惠委員才會清楚知道那剛剛巧惠委員他在說他的提案說明的時候也是就是要容然後再看一下齁邱振軍委員是說新住民和他的子女有權接受與本國國民同等的教育政府要提供必要的教育資源和資源確保新住民他們能夠順利適應和融入本國的教育體系這個部分可能就有鴻路委員所講的部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
所以現在就是這幾個委員的這個提案民眾黨委國民黨提我覺得特殊教育那個拿掉是不是好一點的我也我也覺得特殊那個兩個字可能會比較對比較強烈一點所以也就是我們第一個先處理的就是那個特殊那個拿掉好不好特殊那個字好再來就是華語言跟我國語言這兩個 |
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所以請問巧惠委員他們現在教育部在講的是華語言對所以意思是其他的什麼台語啊之類的你看麥委員台語講多好對不對對啊不是是這樣對還有一個徐欣瑜是國家然後一個是我國語言一個是國家語言然後一個是華語 |
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16975.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
所以這幾個名詞請大家先討論一下部長來請說明我們教育部的同仁他所提的部分其實最重要一點就是我們好多委員有提到說政府應該辦理新住民語言的認證跟學習但是以教育部的立場來講新住民語言來自世界各國 |
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| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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17000.959 |
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17025.141 |
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因為我們不具備有他們國家的整體的語言非常完整的系統這是一個所以不太可能是處理有關於新住民語言的認證跟學習這一點跟大家做一下說明認證啦學習是沒有問題那所以教育部的同仁他剛剛所提到的是說如果我們可以結合那個網美會委員裡面所提到的是政府應該 |
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17027.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
17055.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
王美惠委員的第10條的部分有效消除語言隔閡的前半截以及蘇巧會委員所提的第二段政府應該提供鼓勵措施結合各級學校家庭跟社區推動新住民語言及我國或者是國家或者是華語言學習剛剛那個主席已經有這個做一下才是或是做一下建議提供新住民子女教育協助就是說這樣子的觀念 |
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17074.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
希望可以讓各位委員來做了解就是說我們不可能幫其他的國外的國家做他們的語言認證但是我們可以幫來我們這邊的新住民的朋友協助他們消除在台灣生活上語言隔閡的部分這一點我們可以幫忙 謝謝 |
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17075.909 |
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17090.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
好謝謝部長的補充說明請問一下其他提案委員對於部長的這個說明有沒有提出好我們請喬惠委員那我的華語我國語言和國家語言的這部分請問部長支持哪一個 |
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17105.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
欸這個我剛剛有查一下我們有國家語言發展法我覺得比較中性的說法應該是國家語言因為有國家語言發展法然後裡面講說我們自然使用語言和手語他可能比較中性一點許新穎的是國家語言嘛對不對 |
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至於剛剛部長有提是要整合不同的那個是不是調文字要出來讓大家知道怎麼寫好不好來我們來看一下就是大家可能再討論一下那個認證的部分啦對我們再來調文字好不好那個認證的部分 |
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17144.977 |
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主席其他委員都有講認證嘛我們是不是還是得先尊重來 洪路委員主席我真的是覺得認證就像我剛說的怪怪的啦這個真的很奇怪啦你都要學習國家語言了啊你又去認證他的那你到底要不要鼓勵他成為真正的中華民國的國人國民 |
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| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
17160.079 |
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我覺得照顧是一件事情我們要照顧新住民是我們今天最重要的目標但是你又幫他認證我真的覺得怪怪的大家可能要思考一下 |
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17181.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
好,因為幾個委員都有,我們再看一下,政府應該要辦理新住民語言的認證,剛剛部長是說學習是沒問題,但是這個由我們的政府來辦理新住民語言的認證,這個部分剛剛部長有說明,請問在場提案的委員你們有什麼意見,來請巧惠委員。 |
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17183.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
17198.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
我剛剛聽完行政單位內政部這邊的說明之後我覺得對啊對啊應該他刺激我回想起來啦沒有錯啊如果我是一代移民比如說我們現在台灣人移民到美國去我還要美國政府來考我的中文 |
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17199.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
17226.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
這不是哪裡怪怪的對吧這才證明我是講好那我的子女會不會講中文是美國政府要辦中文考試嗎好像也不是嘛以台灣自己來講的話剛剛部長的意思就是說是日本在台學日本交流協會然後美國之類的或者是其他的這個什麼我已經太久沒有考了是托福嗎現在是什麼現在是雅思我的年代跟黃捷不太一樣這句話可以不要做記錄嗎對 |
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17253.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
總而言之就是說好像確實不是政府啦所以在認證的這個部分我們自己回到我們自己的現實生活以及習慣的這樣原來這個習慣是有道理的嘛就是這個語言的認證部分似乎不是是我們政府代辦他國的這樣的語言認證所以這個部分是不是可以請其他委員也參考一下 |
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17253.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
17256.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
國民黨團擬具政府要辦理新住民認證委員張智倫委員民眾黨團擬具 |
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17277.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
17301.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
政府應規劃結合相關資源及學校積極提供新住民學習國家語言及文字的資源,以有效消除語言隔閡。四、政府應提供獎勵措施結合各級學校、家庭及社區推動新住民語言及國家語言的學習,並且提供新住民子女教育協助。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
17304.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
王美惠委員蘇巧惠委員蘇巧惠委員蘇巧惠委員蘇巧惠委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
17335.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
來大家看一下這個文字,如果大家認為政府應辦理新住民語言的認證大家都覺得好像是不太妥的話,我們就把這個文字拿掉。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
17362.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
好請黃婕委員好那我在想雖然我們有國家語言法可是因為在這一條或者整部法裡面都是在講新住民然後前面講到新住民語言後面又說國家語言學習會不會混淆就不知道是哪一個國家所以是不是我也覺得我國會比國家還好在這個整個語境裡面 |
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17364.827 |
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然後其他的文字我覺得目前的這個條文算是蠻完整的然後我也不建議要放入認證啦因為我們來幫其他國家認證他國的語言這件事真的非常的奇怪我們也不應該宣兵奪主嘛也沒有資格去幫人家認證啦對啊所以我建議就是可不可以國家改成我國然後不要寫認證 |
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現在應該這個認證的部分大家都同意不要放了嘛對不對都已經沒有那政府應辦理新住民語言的認證這個已經不存在在我們的條文裡面了所以因此才會有現在講說國家語言還是我國語言與文字來請洪祿 |
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不好意思啦我覺得其實大家都有這個共識啦那你我國國家語言我覺得其實我國語言就很大家都看得懂了啦我覺得就我國語言就好了啦我不堅持啊我們會在這邊一直繞漩渦啦有共識最重要好 民法委員謝謝我先封錄大家的意見OK OK我認為我國會更明顯、更了解以上 |
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好 謝謝現在已經越來越有共識了再看一次再看最後一次政府應規劃結合相關資源以及學校積極提供新住民學習我國語言跟文字的資源以有效消除語言隔閡然後接著下來政府應提供獎勵措施結合各級學校家庭跟社區推動新住民這次講語言還有我國語言的學習並提供新住民子女教育協助 |
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第9條就修正通過,我的建議,剛剛羅美玲委員的第9條,家福中心那個是不是放在他的下面?增訂,增訂,增訂第9條之一,好不好? |
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好,那我們現在就來討論羅美玲委員的第九條因為我覺得羅美玲委員的第九條也非常的重要就是呢對於在台的新住民家庭政府應該要提供家庭諮詢,這的確婚姻教育、育兒教育等服務 |
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並且要在各縣市設置家庭服務中心對於前向家庭的子女政府應該提供輔導措施以協助其適應學校生活並避免遭受歧視我覺得這非常的重要所以我覺得那個文字如果大家沒有意見的話我們就在第9條爭列好不好來請洪祿我個人是覺得他的最後第二句對 |
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這一個我也覺得有怪怪,而且以協助其適應生活就好了,不要學校,那他下課之後的那段時間呢? |
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家福中心 |
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那當然他課業上非常OK那當然不需要這個資源嘛可是對於這個學習弱勢的部分我是想說應該給予他一些輔導然後讓他適應學校生活那避免遭受歧視拿掉這個我OK啦我是覺得這個可以拿掉會不會那一句啦對好以上謝謝那當然我想看看其他聽聽其他委員的意見或是行政單位的回覆 |
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我還是覺得比你把學校拿掉讓以協助其適應生活 |
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我覺得你學校太狹隘了OK 好 這個是OK好 那請劉協廷委員那個 我要問一下家庭服務中心的定義啦因為在桃園家庭服務中心是社會局下面的社會福利機構在那處理的是弱勢跟特殊狀況那前面談的家庭諮詢婚姻教育跟育兒教育是在桃園叫做家庭教育中心 |
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也就是說第一個地方政府應該已經都有相關機關第二個是名字會不會撞名讓分工出現一些困難的狀況所以這部分看看怎麼樣文字上做一些調整但法案的內容我是很贊成好 謝謝 請羅美玲委員現在這個移民署它在各個縣市其實都有設置這個新住民的家庭服務中心 |
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全民就叫家庭服務中心嗎?不然我們就要加個新住民家庭服務中心其實這個經費來源都是來自於移民署所以剛剛那個劉雪婷委員因為也來自地方所以她認為如果不加新住民的話恐怕那個家庭服務中心會跟前面的那些有點混淆 |
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所以我們就這個在並於各縣市設置新住民家庭服務中心好不好請問一下署長這樣子是不是比較貼切於你們現在在做的是好那另外我是不是可以提一下那個我們提供家庭諮詢然後婚姻教育育兒教育等服務那個那兩個教育可不可以把它把它拿掉因為一直講教育好像 |
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政府應提供家庭諮詢、婚姻育兒教育等諮詢服務。政府應提供家庭諮詢,然後呢? |
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家庭、婚姻、育兒等諮詢服務。家庭、婚姻、育兒等諮詢服務,是嗎?是。好,所以就是政府應提供,來看一下文字,政府在哪裡?家庭、婚姻、育兒,應該要有一個頓吧? |
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應提供家庭頓點、婚姻、育兒等諮詢服務。 |
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有啊!有頓啊!看了沒有?這個我們看螢幕上,可能更清楚一點。第九條之一,對於在台的新住民家庭政府應提供家庭的綜號,然後婚姻的綜號,育兒等諮詢服務,並於各縣市設置新住民家庭服務中心。對於前向家庭的子女,政府應該要提供輔導措施,以協助其適應。學校拿掉。對,以協助其適應。 |
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教育中心在社、在學校裡面也有這些項目。所以,在大陸的管轄下,在學校裡面也有這些項目。 |
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請玉珍委員你要不要拿麥克風,你覺得在哪裡有些...我們在教育部好像每個縣市也有設新住民教育中心,裡面也有服家庭婚姻,就是這個嬰兒等的諮詢服務,是不是教育部好像也有在國小有設這樣子的一個... |
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我想跟委員報告一下就是教育部在學校裡面有一些設置是新住民學習中心也就是我們提供是新住民相關培育的培育的活動課程所以基本上他跟所謂家庭婚姻諮詢部分我們都放在家庭教育的中心對所以他是不一樣的 |
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那我們家庭教育中心其實他不分任何的身份他只要有家庭教育相關的需要諮詢的部分都可以到我們各縣市的家庭教育中心去做諮詢都沒問題 |
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所以學校是否教育嗎?在學教育嗎?對不起,我現在再釐清一下。剛剛教育部律師說在學校,剛剛包括蔓依珍委員講,在學校其實他是針對教育的部分。但是我們第九條之一是講家福中心,家庭服務中心。所以他的家庭服務中心,現在每一個縣市有設的那個家庭教育中心是一樣的嗎? |
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家庭服務中心所以在這一條裡面我們才會說你看第二項裡面對於前項家庭的子女政府要提供輔導措施以協助他適應他並沒有講學校啦以協助他適應生活 |
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所以這是否家福中心是家庭的問題婚姻的問題還有育兒的問題是在這邊來處理但是教育的那一塊是在你們目前學校都有嗎就是如果是有關於對家庭婚姻或是有相關的一些在學校也有嗎沒有那個沒有沒有是在我們的家庭教育中心各縣市我是依法依家庭教育法它是有設立家庭教育中心 |
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所以你在各縣市也有一個家庭教育中心所以有兩個是不是一個是家庭教育中心一個是家庭服務中心有兩個家庭服務中心是那個內政部移民署是移民署的然後教育部有教育部的是不同的那我可以請問一下那現在如果我們要寫的九之一的第二項是給家福中心的嗎是這樣嗎 |
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我們第一項沒有問題了嗎?第一項是家庭服務中心。那第二項呢?第二項現在是在規定誰啊?我現在給你稍微回答一下。好,來請部長。 |
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原來的新住民的這個家庭的這個服務中心的話是針對新住民不管是在家庭婚姻育兒這些諮詢服務他是移民署下面的一個資金那教育部所說就是剛剛那個麥委員所提的他家庭教育中心是針對所有的人不一定是新住民或原住民那新住民有困擾當然也可以去找他所以他是雙軌我覺得沒有關係就是看起來是並行不悖並沒有漢格的地方也沒有矛盾的地方 |
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是是是這個我知道但是我們教育部下面還有一個新住民的一個教育中心吧這是新住民學習中心學習中心對對所以就是說他就是有有一個也是有一個關於新住民的一個中心嘛所以說整個名稱是要怎麼樣去稱呼不知道但是說說我照我知道是有一個新住民的設立在國小裡面嗎是不是對 |
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委員報告因為我們新住民學習中心基本上我們是用補助的性質讓我們的縣市裡面去尋找學校可以作為新住民學習活動的一個地方所以基本上他在那個他的性質跟未來要設的新住民家庭服務中心跟我們現在的家庭教育的家庭教育中心其實他的性質是比較不一樣的一個是在著重在學習教育這一塊 |
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所以是的確有在教育部的國教署裏面有一個,你可以全名叫什麼?新住民什麼?學習中心?對,在我們教育部中生教育師是中生教育師下面,但是是在國小?剛剛蔓依珍委員說是在國小?不一定,不一定,因為我們是透過縣市政府他們去找尋,看是學校或是民間單位,為以承擔呃呃呈辦這個新住民學習中心所以他是教育局處 |
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在各縣市政府的教育局處的下面所以是寫計畫到你們教育部所以這個縣市政府有寫計畫你們教育部才會核定這個錢給他去做這件事情所以他不是常設的 |
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它是一個,就是只要縣市政府有提報計劃,你都給。對,所以你清楚了嗎?好,所以未來如果各縣市政府對於新住民的學習,孩子在學校裡面的學習,就要用各級政府的教育局處,要不要提報計劃到教育部去?這樣更清楚吧? |
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主席,拜託,各位回答我清楚是不是這樣? |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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新住民家庭教育教育輔導中心 |
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學習中心第二種叫做新住民學習中心這個也是各縣市嗎?各縣市政府提報計畫對,我們是有一個補助計畫然後由各縣市政府去找尋它適合的場域去辦理有關新住民的相關的學習跟活動所以它不是常設的?所以只有這個而已嗎?對不對?教育部沒有另外一個了?教育部另外一個是有關於家庭教育中心所以它是不一樣的 |
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那我剛剛這樣講你為什麼不順著我講就好了你就一定要先打打就是所以我才說有三種嘛對所以家庭教育中心那個也是常設的嘛但是否大家對否大家的否大家的就是第二個嘛也是新住民所以我要說嘛 |
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第二種是新住民教育中心嘛可是它的適用對象是全台灣的這個都可以那你新住民也是國人啊所以也可以去教育中心這也是常設的那第三種是獎補助的爭取類型的那種非常設的嘛對不對 |
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就看地方政府有沒有提到計畫啦所以其實我們真的是做的還不少透過這樣的對話那所以我還是回來那所以9之1現在是要做的是家庭服務中心嘛那我們現在本來要問的是那第二項你現在要規定的是誰而已剛剛在三種裡面的請問你是要放在哪裡 |
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前向家庭的子女政府應提供輔導措施以協助他適應生活還是他就是一個犯犯的規定家庭的孩子他應該就是放在前面所有的家庭服務中心那何不乾脆就把他放在上面一二三四就好了就結束了就不會產生這樣的誤會 |
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家庭婚姻育兒及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及子女及 |
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本來我的想法是課後輔導可是看起來又好像跟這個對因為這個體格是家庭嘛因為課後輔導是教育嘛對對對我了解所以就是說 |
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我覺得可以不用寫,如果是這樣的話因為你如果講說家庭子女的輔導措施適應生活就是家庭諮詢服務啊他其實就是家庭諮詢服務啊如果讓他單情化的話我是拿掉第二項我也可以然後洪路,來我覺得反而不應該拿掉那你如果你要這樣,你把兩項變成一項 |
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不用再學兩下就是很清楚的定例是家庭服務中心做這些事情因為你的新住民的子女他不是只有學校的問題他如果你這個有移民署各縣市都有補助縣市政府設立這個所以他可以去做這些事情他有很多可以做我們現在可能想不出來而已對不對他有太多了 |
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對於前項家庭的子女,政府應該提供輔導措施以協助其適應生活。 |
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主席主席主席主席主席 |
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提供一個一個著參的一個意見是不是有一個可能說假設增加彈性那就讓地方政府就是本於全責因為地方自治的關係然後他們就是有那個彈性所以現在有在做但是不一定要入法我們只是提供意見著參好謝謝你意見我們聽到了我覺得還是巴倫布法因為現在都已經在做了嘛所以沒有什麼自愛難行的部分嘛好不好聽到你的說明了 |
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對於在台的新住民家庭,政府應該提供家庭婚姻育兒等諮詢服務,並於各縣市設置新住民家庭服務中心。 |
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就弄一項就好,還是你要有兩項?對,我也認為一項就好了。家庭服務中心,對於那個前項,就沒有前項了。對於新住民家庭的子女,政府應提供輔導措施,以協助其適應生活,這樣好不好?就沒有所謂的前項,就在第九條之一裡面就完整的寫明了。 |
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對於在台之新住民家庭政府應提供家庭婚姻育兒等服務本來我們是第二項現在併成一項對新住民家庭之子女政府 |
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新住民家庭服務中心對於新住民家庭的子女政府必應提供嗎?政府必應提供輔導措施以協助其適應生活。 |
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大家如果沒有意見的話,第九條之一,我們就增訂第九條之一,按照羅美玲等22人的提案。 |
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18637.029 |
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我個人真的覺得政府併應提供扶老措施我覺得並不用啊政府應提供扶老措施就好了不堅持沒關係不堅持對啦好好政府應提供那個併拿掉 |
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其實我覺得這樣文字更順暢一點,這不應提供輔導措施。好,謝謝洪路委員的提醒。好,第九條之一,我們就照羅美玲等22人的提案。 |
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第9條我們修正通過。好,我們現在處理第10條。第10條有台灣民眾黨黨團還有國民黨黨團的提案。然後委員張智倫等委員王美惠等等提案。蘇巧惠委員提案的第15條還有邱振軍委員提案的第11條在22頁,大家看一下。 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
18700.011 |
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18720.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
這是鼓勵學術發展培力儲備人才跟人才資料庫的建立這樣看起來那個好像大家都差不多吧文字好像意思都差不多但是請問一下相關委員或者是行政部門有沒有什麼意見 |
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移民署這邊報告我們是建議是蘇協會委員的版本因為那個民眾黨的後面是寫到說新住民知識體系新住民知識體系那我們是覺得說那個蘇委員的是寫後職新住民專業人才比較容易了解 |
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OK,我想知識體系可能就跟我們原基法還有現在原住民的比較像一點那就是巧惠委員說政府應獎勵新住民學術研究鼓勵大學院校設立新住民學習的相關院系 |
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| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
所學位的學程發展還有後職新住民的專業人才但是民眾黨是說要發展後職新住民知識體系這個知識體系不曉得這個這個蔓越真委員是希望呈現的是什麼 |
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我們是可以就是用我們的書小會委員但是後面那個前線所培立的新住民事務人才還有政府應用設立人才資料庫這個部分要留下來 |
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民眾黨黨團擬具後職知識體系擬具後職知識體系擬具後職知識體系擬具後職知識體系擬具後職知識體系擬具 |
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但你把這個前項所培立之新住民事務人才政府應建立人才資料庫系統規劃、試採、運用我個人真的覺得這樣子對新住民我們所說的這些非常不公平 |
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你這樣子我講來你也不不不你聽我講完齁我們立法真的是要尊重我們要那個你這樣我講的比較直接一點你第一個好像歧視他們第二個你好像是掌控他們的所有的資料我們的個資法什麼的我們都不要了我們為什麼可以讓新住民受到這種不平等的待遇我個人是從這個角度去看的那大家可以可以從不同的角度去看 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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其實人才很多嘛那會浮現出來的其實政府機關甚至是不要說別的我們各立委辦公室大家也會看對一個助力比較好的大家也會想啊對不對但是反過來你在這邊把它寫成是一個人才資料庫就如同洪議員說的利益良善是沒有錯但我因為今天我不是新住民身份所以我的立場不知道適不適合這樣說但是如果今天是我的話我就不想要政府 |
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18918.638 |
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把我的資料怎麼樣的掌控然後收在哪裡然後到哪裡的時候是怎麼樣對啊我是因為我表現好那大家有看到我這沒有問題因為表現好的人一定會被看到但是為什麼要在好像我是新住民身份我是某一個身份他就已經把我造冊在哪裡了然後還把我歸黨了這個不是很奇怪嗎因為像我孩子現在是原民身份嘛那所以是從幾歲就要開始把我歸黨了嗎是要做什麼嗎他要把我 |
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| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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謝謝我是想要提問啦可不可以請行政部門說明一下新住民學術研究是指什麼然後新住民學術研究相關的院系所大概會是什麼樣的內容我就是純粹不太了解所以想要在這邊了解說接下來如果我們設立了 |
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是吼不好意思不好意思對然後對我是想說這個人才資料庫我大概懂巧慧的意思就例如說我們的呃信憑的人才資料庫他就是一個就是有具有對對對這個信憑專業所以他在這個我們需要諮詢的時候可以從這個人才庫裡面去找到這樣的對象那所謂的新住民的人才資料庫會 |
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對對對對就是他的他的這個把特別把他框出來的用意是什麼可能也要討論一下了好謝謝黃婉婕委員我們請蔓玉珍委員再來請劉徐庭委員 |
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事實上這個是我們寫的新住民事務人才不是說新住民的就是框在那個族群不是因為現在如果沒有建立人才現在真的說我們要找什麼人要做什麼行業像翻譯我們也移民署也建立說大家要有一個新住民的翻譯 |
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人才資料庫,所以警察要找翻譯才能找得到,還知道說哪一個地方有適應的人才,是這樣子的,我們要把我們的人才要穿成一個資料庫,是這樣啦,不是說我們就把新住民框在那邊或者把資料,因為我們是,現在大家都說嘛,散佈在不同的地方。 |
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19084.194 |
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誰知道是哪裡有適用的人才有需要的人才所以我們是要栽培我們要建立因為昨天我們在公聽會有很多的新住民姐妹還有就是我們的教授他們都說希望我們要建立一個資料庫適材適用這樣子的話大家才會容易找到人 |
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因為人散佈在不同的地方嘛,所以我們栽培人才就是建立一個資料庫讓大家來可以就是試用,或者大家也知道說這邊我們可以找到關於新住民事務的人才,不只新住民而已。 |
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好,請留許庭委員第一個就是新住民事務人才不見得是新住民啦就是你對這個有研究你是個學者專家你也是新住民事務的人才那之所以要有人才資料庫我想立法的利益應該是這樣啦就是說這個東西畢竟是少數嘛我們今天會討論這個法條的原因就是因為希望保障相對少數的一些權利那這個剛剛有委員問說學術研究是什麼剛剛舉例嘛政大民族系嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
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政大民族系就是做各國民族研究他也做原住民的研究他未來能不能做新住民研究可以而且我覺得應該他應該開個新住民學程20個學分我覺得完全可以所以既然有一定的學術色彩我認為法條上應該就是用知識體系因為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
真正希望重視這個族群的發展相對來講不是只有這個族群的人還有他的知識他的專業他的學術研究都是其中的一部分所以我覺得用知識體系是比較合理的那至於這個人才因為在實際執行的實然面他應該是一個相對少數 |
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| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
那也就是說在新住民族群有需要的時候或者是政府機關有需要的時候學術研究有需要的時候能不能快速的找到這一群相對少數的在做這個研究的人我想用意應該是這樣所以法條文字如果大家了解這個意思的話是不是法條文字上的大家有別的想法以上給大家參考謝謝好謝謝請羅美玲委員再來是張宏樂委員謝謝 |
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19222.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
剛剛那個剛剛我們貿易政委員有提到就是說同意的部分確實目前移民署在同意的部分是有一個同意的人才故事是沒有是沒有錯的現在是對但是那是針對同意的而且是經過我們訓練以後當事人也同意才會納到這資料 |
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19223.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
那現在我的疑問也有一個疑問就是說因為之前我們就是本來就是有同意只是我現在在想說當然牛雪婷我應該講的方向好像跟我們原先講的可能就是不要我本來認為說是針對於我們所賠利出來的這些新住民他在因為你寫事務人員我也覺得很模糊到底這事務人員是什麼如果你說同意他很直接他就是同意那你說事務人員他是涵蓋到哪一些行業 |
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這個要怎麼來區分?這個我是比較覺得有點疑慮啦,到底他的他怎麼去區分?同意很簡單嘛,就是同意啊。那再來呢,其他的事務人員是指哪一部分?他的行業別是什麼?他的專才內容是什麼?這個我比較有疑問啦,我只是提問而已。好,請紅路委員 |
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19279.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
19302.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
我個人還是覺得雖然用意良善或什麼的我覺得這一項你把它放進去真的是對人權的這個違反很大我覺得不應該我們立法把它放進去這裡你可以在立法說明裡面說我們希望移民署比如說特殊的同意人才他如果自己願意 |
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啊你可以納入這一個讓他好找工作類似一個這種我們看我們怎麼去寫但你母法裡面寫這個這個一看就是違反人權的法令那我們讓他這樣過我真的覺得不對啦 |
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19341.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
我試圖了解一下民眾黨譽貞委員長。其實我覺得巧惠委員講的專業人才跟事務人才,其實你們兩個講的是一樣,但是專業人才跟事務他的解釋的確會不太相同。大家聽一下我的意見,我覺得專業人才是需要的。 |
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如果按照剛剛講的同意的部分,那我們可能還會有其他的專業的部分嘛,對不對?那事務是不是不要堅持用失誤這兩個字,而用專業人才?那你如果是專業人才的話,那麼你就必須要有一些建立人才資料庫,但是並不需要統整規劃。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
政府應獎勵新住民學術研究鼓勵大學院校設立新住民學術相關院系所學位學程,發展後職新住民專業人才,並建立人才資料庫。 |
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會不會好一點,可能就會取消大家的疑慮,就是要這些人這個資料庫要統整規劃幹嘛的,事實上我們在前面已經說的是專業人才了,這個專業人才包括也包括通譯,或者是在新住民的朋友上面,他可能還有其他更專業的東西,這樣會不會好一點,用專業人才取代事務人才。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
知識體系知識體系那個是在後置新住民專業人才知識體系並 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
19435.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
19443.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
建立專業人才資料部,並建立專業人才資料部。 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
19468.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
19485.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
並建立專業人才資料庫。但是那個後職新住民專業人才那個就沒有嗎?就是你的後職新住民專業人才用後用新住民知識體系啊?是可能都已經建立專業人才資料庫當然就是有培養專業人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
19492.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
19515.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
僑會委員的意思是發展還有後職新住民專業人才那個後職可能就是培養的意思嘛 對不對我覺得啦齁 如果說像剛剛昭偉講的就是僑會委員那個發展及後職新住民專業人才後面再加一個並適才適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
19517.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
19537.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
我覺得這樣就好,我真的很反對把什麼人才資料庫把它入法。我們真的也有疑慮啦,你說將來我們這邊去蒐集說什麼是人才,啊是什麼列北,這樣子的確在行政機關會覺得這個也涉及到個資,那將來要給誰用,我們要給特定的人。 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
19538.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
19538.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
19553.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
19574.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
那如果說在這邊要普遍的要建立各種這種人才的或是專業人才資料庫的確會比較自愛難行一點前面有會委員就是在這裡我覺得你這個並建立人才資料庫專業人才對我是覺得你有時候你 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
19589.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
19598.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
他只是希望在新住民裡面有一些專業人才被以後他需要用的時候從這個資料庫裡面擷取就行了就可以找得到對 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
19605.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
19624.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
請巧惠委員謝謝我發表一下我個人的意見請參考但是我覺得是這樣子我認為如果這個法令要能夠對新住民有比較直接立刻的幫助的話我認為這我的意見請大家參考而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
19625.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
19637.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
那個發展及後職的後面呢其實還是接我的版本是直接講到人才的部分為什麼呢?因為大家如果知道知識體系這幾個字在我們這裡討論聽起來是很有內涵學養高深的狀況可是問題是光是這一個知識體系這一個名詞四個字其實辯證就很多我隨便上網查一下原住民的知識體系這個還要討論到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
19654.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
19674.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
各族群透過傳統信仰及儀式的實踐維繫神靈界的尊重和諧以及與自然境遇的共生依存關係累積到族群記憶及經驗發展歷史性這個我覺得還蠻大的對 然後到底是不是是這樣什麼叫做新住民的知識體系我覺得這又有辯證的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
19676.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
19702.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
所以如果要這件事情可以立即有作用的話我們既然是非常具體的在這裡是用政府因他獎勵研究學術研究了要求他設立科系了那我們是不是就是就是明白的來說啦我們就是要發展及厚植原住民的專業人才所以這是第一項好那如果第二項的部分呢我個人在聽過各位委員的意見之後我也 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
19702.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
19720.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
尊重就是呃我會覺得主席的意見蠻很很很很對就是我們是不是那個麥委員那邊吼我剛時考慮的是你看你的寫法是前向所培立之新住民事務人才政府應建立人才資料庫也就是說等於 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
19721.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
19721.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
19738.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
19738.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
第二項政府應建立新住民專業人才資料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
19758.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
19781.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
如果是這樣的話會不會也達到了你的理想督促政府要做專業人才資料庫也是就每一個專業在各政府的各部門各機關當中他們依照自己的所需所以就是建立那個人才庫以後那將來適材適用這樣的第二項不曉得大家可不可以滿意以上是我對第一項和第二項的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
19782.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
19804.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
好 所以如果說知識體系那個部分 劉委員沒有堅持的話我是覺得法條的精神 因為我為什麼會特別堅持 雖然這個詞也許有一點點有一點點看不懂 但是問題是這樣嘛我們今天之所以要讓他學術研究 不就是希望不就是希望台灣有更多有關於新住民的研究成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
19805.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
19832.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
讓台灣人更能夠了解新住民的文化、新住民的政策、新住民相關的所有事項,翻成為所謂的知識體系。我覺得這個法的精神是希望促進這樣的發展,所以我才會覺得有這個必要。如果我們只是把它載化成我們搞這個東西就是為了栽培人才,那我是覺得有一點點功力啦,有一點點功力。所以我提個建議啦,提個建議。發展知識體系並後職,或者是用培養新住民專業人才。 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
19832.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
19861.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
你知識體育用發展相對來講強度不會那麼高然後因為你人才用後職好像有點怪怪的好像變種樹一樣所以說用培養新住民專業人才那是不是要用資料庫我覺得我個人是沒有很堅持大家用開放的心態來討論所以你的意思是發展知識體系對不對對並培養新住民專業人才並培養新住民專業人才來看一下不用再下面一項我覺得再上不要再下面一項我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
19863.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
19882.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
對來發展知識體系對因為前面所講的都是學術研究嘛那學術研究跟知識體系就會比較比較能夠能夠對稱然後集就是後職新住民的專業人才對不對並建立專業人才資料庫這樣會不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
19888.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
19916.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
我是認為如果你是講專業人才的話那麼建立專業人才資料庫是比較可以的要不然的話你專業人才設立了之後你為以後要應用的時候你沒有這個資料庫你還要再去爬書那既然我們是培養專業人才所以他就局限比較小比如說他有通譯我不太清楚就新住民還有哪一些專業的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
19917.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
19944.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
那這個就統稱叫做專業人才而不是事務人才啦如果就我理解的話是不是這樣子主席那我剛剛的建議是因為文字的寫法我是建議這個培養新住民專業人才之後就是據點了據點然後是下面第二項政府應建立新住民專業人才庫逗點試採就是麥委員的版本試採試用就這樣OK好來我們打一下謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
19947.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
19952.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
專業人才據點政府應建立新住民專業人才資料庫並適材適用適材適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
19979.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
20006.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
是才適用好不好來紅綠委員這樣就好了這樣已經很厲害了這樣就好了來對不起我們尊重紅綠委員的發言謝謝大家如果是要這樣子的話我覺得啦大家可以妥協就是說政府應建立新住民專業人才資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
20008.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
20022.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
不要什麼資料庫我真的覺得那個實在是讓人家覺得太違反人權的那個沒有一個國家會特別這樣子的啦新住民專業人才資料好像有點怪阿他有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
20026.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
20026.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
主席我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
20047.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
20054.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
20070.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
20085.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
主席教育部第一項有建議要小休教育部高教師我們是建議鼓勵大學院校的大學院校改成大專校院鼓勵大專校院 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
20093.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
20116.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
大專校院設立新住民學術相關院席。這是教育部的建議。所以這樣子,如果大家文字沒有問題的話,是不是我們就,就是那個酷而已啊?因為,我感覺說,不是啦,我感覺說你修的時候,也要那個款項去補起來,讓我講, |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
20120.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
20146.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
大家有大家的想法要考慮嘛。對不對?那你剛才又講什麼沒有保留,再保留,沒有就休息一下,協商一下。好,請問一下內政部有沒有意見,移民署,對於現在我們修正的條文這個部分。是,保留的話是每一個委員的提案都保留喔,不是這個文字保留喔。對。 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
20149.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
20176.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
對對對好不好好來好既然這樣的話我們就不要浪費時間我們知道大家有建議說這個要保留好不好第10條我們就保留好不好謝謝來再往下走再往下走第11條有在24頁大家看一下有台灣民眾黨團還有國民黨團的提案張智倫委員王美惠的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
20176.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
20183.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
還有羅美玲委員第8條的提案,以及蘇巧慧委員、邱正軍委員的第12條。24頁,大家看一下。無障礙語言的環境,這個好像我們前面有談到無障礙的環境,對不對?好,來請美玲委員。 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
20203.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
20217.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
我有看到其他的版本其實大家的版本介紹差不多其實需要建立一個無障礙的語言環境嘛就是當新住民他需要用他的語言做陳述意見的時候可以請這個同意來傳譯嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
20219.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
20243.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
其實我的第一項其實也是類似這樣子的一個訴求可是我有加了第二項就是為達成前項目標政府應建立統一統一之統一人員培訓及職業制度那當然我想移民署應該很清楚我是針對什麼而來像現在我們的不管是司法醫療或是社區統一等等其實我們雖然有在做培訓可是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
20245.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
20256.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
各個縣市各自辦理就算是說衛福部好了他自己本身有在辦理的話他也是下放給地方政府地方政府每個縣市他們的培訓的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
20261.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
20261.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
20279.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
20303.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
建議參考澳洲NATI制度。這是一個非常浩大的工程,我不否認,只是說我希望說有一個這樣子的一個大方向,未來可以的話,我們就是朝向在培訓這個通譽人才的時候呢,可以有一個統一的這個制度。以上謝謝。好,非常謝謝。請美會委員。 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
20308.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
20327.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
有提議,因為我認為提供新住民的同意服務是要消除新住民的意願的困難。我認為有提議,這裡面講獎勵鼓勵各單位,更加進一步照顧新住民。我請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
20329.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
20334.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
我們的單位對本縣所提供的獎勵,他們有什麼想法?因為這裡面剛好有本縣有提供的獎勵,看看他們有什麼想法? |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
20343.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
20345.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
民眾黨團、國民黨團、張智倫委員、巧惠委員,當處理新住民事務時,應該要有陳述意見,必要時要請同意。 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
20365.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
20367.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
20385.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
20411.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
那當然就是羅美玲委員比較不一樣她就是說你要提供這些通益服務的時候政府要建立統一的通益人員的培訓跟職業制度以上這三點我們請大家討論先請移民署來回應一下喬惠委員的英語獎勵可不可以英語獎勵辦得好就獎勵了不用規定在這裡不用規定在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
20416.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
20434.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
美會委員的辦理前項工作者也績效著英語獎勵這個部分,你不堅持?因為我問請教就是說,是怎樣不用?這是一個高雷,跟你認為是怎樣不用?要怎樣可以做好? |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
20436.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
20441.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
我的意思是說,辦得好,行政機關本履全責就會辦一些獎勵,行政獎勵啊。行政獎勵是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
20450.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
20455.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
20475.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
20498.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
這樣有放跟沒放都一樣都會走這樣我們就要放是不是這樣所以署長的意思是說放不放都沒關係嘛對不對如果放了也很好啦對不對好那我們就不需要拿掉嘛那就不需要拿掉好那我們就還是保留一下那倒是說那個剛那個羅美玲委員有特別提到因為要建立統一之 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
20499.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
20522.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
統一人員培訓跟職業制度因為在各個領域其實是不一樣的啦你譬如說司法統一有他的專業啊那你衛生醫療也有他的專業那教育也有他的專業各個領域其實當然你說要做統一的這種這種人才人員的一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
20522.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
20523.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
培訓培訓培訓培訓培訓培訓培訓培訓培訓培訓培訓 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
20552.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
20572.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
所以現在大家都說政府機關機構在處理新住民事務的時候要使新住民得以他語言的陳述意見應該沒意見嘛對不對然後巧惠委員是必要的時候要提供該語言的通譯服務巧惠委員這個是可以的對是必要的時候請問一下賴議政委員 |
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20590.464 |
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我們是一樣的啊就是我們就是希望是應用我們的版本啦因為我們三個版本是一樣的也是跟他們就是一個是必要一個是該政府必要對喔也一樣必要對對對對好所以劉徐廷委員我覺得這樣啦 |
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20591.525 |
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20612.669 |
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把這一條變兩個部分第一個是在處理新住民的服務案件的時候要用同意的方式處理這就是大家共同的版本我們就給他保留第二個我覺得王美惠委員的版本是鼓勵政府各級機關提供友善語言環境所以把他的最簡單的調整說政府應於公共領域提供新住民語言播音諮詢等服務 |
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因為同意已經寫在前面了,就不用再寫同意。即落實其他新住民友善環境措施,辦理前項工作,所有績效者應予獎勵。這樣我覺得這一條就非常完整。除了同意服務之外,也有友善措施,也有獎勵措施。這樣子,以上。 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
20628.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
20654.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
不好意思那個羅美玲委員她可能等一下就回來了她是請我幫她說她的那個為達成前項目標政府應建立統一之同意人員培訓及職業制度她很堅持所以我們這一條是等一下回來討論我們討論沒有了不然這樣可能會除非移民署這邊沒有意見移民署他沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
20655.612 |
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20683.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
他們覺得是他們說有困難嘛有困難他們說有困難啊對沒有沒有我想要把那個美會委員都放在下面就是統一起來對他可能我等他排完吧再看嘛來排一下齁剛剛劉許廷委員所講的部分那另外一個就是羅美玲委員很堅持為了要達成前向目標政府應該建立統一的統一人員的培訓還有他的職業制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
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這是第二項他是非常堅持的但是前面那一項我們來打文字一下好了既然就這一條他很有意見要的是不是我們也是保留了因為要保留的話是每一個委員的版本都要被保留好不好好來這個部分第11條我們也保留然後再來就是看一下26頁羅美玲 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
20715.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
20720.902 |
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委員提案的第7條,蘇喬惠委員第11條,王美惠委員提案的第8條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
20737.028 |
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來這個部分是不是要大家來說明一下羅美玲委員蘇巧惠委員美惠委員 |
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20749.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
20770.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
政府應該提供新住民在我國生活所缺的基本稅主席跟您報告一下因為這個部分只有羅美玲、蘇巧慧就我那王美惠三個人的版本那我和美惠都覺得說我們是不是等一下羅美玲所以這一條直接先保留這樣可不可以好來我們再繼續往下走第12條 |
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20794.846 |
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第12條,看一下27頁有台灣民眾黨黨團還有國民黨黨團的提案。張智倫委員的第12條,羅美玲委員的第11條,蘇巧惠委員的第16條,邱振軍委員的第13條。看一下第27頁,這個部分是在講什麼?工作權的保障。 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
20801.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
20803.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
建立交流管道。 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
20817.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
20845.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
那跟委員報告那這一條呢主要勞動部針對本條我們看到了我們蘇巧慧委員張智倫委員跟邱振軍委員以及民眾黨團國民黨團的版本他的文字內容事實上大概都是一致的所以我們在各位委員的版本之下那勞動部提了一個修正的版本那我們就把他秀在這個銀幕上面麻煩來秀一下文字 |
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是,那我們的文字上面呢,主要有做了一些精簡跟一些增加跟委員來做個報告。第一個部分呢,我們,不是這一條,是13條,不是這一條。現在在,工作權保障是勞動部。好,麻煩去跟我們議事人員談一下,到底是哪一張。你現在要講的是第12條,我們保留的那個部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
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因為工作權保障的跨號是跨在第13條啦我們現在是在講交流啦其實我們是在講交流啦工作權是在第13條啦工作權是第13條啦對啊那現在講的是剛剛講的是這個啊27頁對啊我們現在在出27頁好 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
20906.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
20908.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
建立交流管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
20919.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
20939.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
因為這邊是寫實了說要跟某國要去建立交流管道我是覺得說這個交流管道其實目前如果說有些是可能有些沒辦法直接在政府跟政府之間的所以是不是 |
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20963.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
他最後講說政府應該要推動新住民跟他的母國連結的措施,然後以促進新住民跟母國之間的經濟、社會、文化、宗教、學術等事項的交流。我不認為這有什麼困難的地方啊。好不好?好,謝謝。 |
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20967.409 |
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我們並沒有要求你是政府對政府我們要求的是跟母國連結的措施是經濟社會文化宗教學術 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
20980.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
21003.441 |
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不是政府所以這邊要特別釐清一下我們反而比較擔心的是你現在沒有講出來那我們順便講一下就是說因為我們這邊寫的是政府應喔政府應該喔然後要跟母國所以凡新住民皆在此項包含之內所以我們的新住民來自地球上的世界各國 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
21004.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
21023.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
你有沒有辦法跟世界各國的母國都連結嗎?這就是,比如說我是非洲某一個比較我們比較沒有那麼往來平凡的小國,或者是什麼,我拿著這一條來跟你,我沒有說我是地理位置上面的問題,對啊,之類的,那會不會讓你有摯愛的男性,我本來是單你講這條啦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
21038.223 |
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是不是能改成鼓勵推動?因為有的時候不一定是政府自己做啊或NGO團體來做啊或什麼這樣之類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
21042.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
21048.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
政府應鼓勵推動新住民與其母國連結的措施,以促進新住民與母國之間的經濟、社會、文化、宗教跟學術等事項的交流合作。 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
21070.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
21075.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
民眾黨版本、國民黨版本、張智倫委員的版本、蘇巧慧委員的版本,都是這樣子。所以我們就修正通過。 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
21091.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
21099.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
來,第13條,現在來回到剛剛第13條,工作權的保障,來,第13條,在28頁,台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提案,張智倫委員、羅美玲委員、王美惠委員13條,蘇巧惠委員的第17條,邱振軍委員第14條,那剛剛呢,我們的勞動部他有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
21116.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
21123.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
有修正的那個文字大家看一下現在在在螢幕上面是那麼小大一點好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
21155.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
請主席跟委員看一下這個內容那我一面來跟委員來報告第一個部分呢我們陣列了團體團體是政府應該要鼓勵來辦理新住民就業服務的一個對象那第二個呢我們這個條文主要是在做就業的促進所以委員的版本裡面有一項是在職場中去辦理職場諮商的這一塊我們建議在這邊不列出 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
21156.036 |
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21162.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
第三個部分委員的版本裡面有提到專門職業資格因為專門職業資格屬於考試院辦理也定有專門職業及技術人員考試法另外依照第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
21171.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
21172.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
21190.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
21217.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
促進其就業。那我就整條來跟主席跟委員宣讀一下那第13條政府應鼓勵相關機關構團體辦理新住民就業服務提供就業諮詢就業媒合及輔導取得技術式證促進其就業那以上好請問在場的提案委員你們對於這個勞動部修正的這樣子的條文大家有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
21224.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
21225.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
就業諮詢跟職場諮詢有什麼不一樣? |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
21240.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
21267.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
那跟委員報告那就業諮詢是在新住民在就業的過程裡頭在還沒有找到工作的時候我們會透過一些專業的一些人員來提供一些對他在求職上面的一些困惑或是需要被協助的部分進行就業的諮詢那這邊本來列的職場之商這幾個人是在他已經就業了我是在職的 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
21268.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
21296.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
新住民所以我在職場裡面接受職場方面所能是事業單位他的僱主提供給他的諮商的這個部分好謝謝大家都同意嗎沒意見吧我也覺得好像這樣的修正文字好先給你鼓勵一下你是有備而來的你看我們這樣子是不是比較順暢比較快一點謝謝好第13條我們就按照這個勞動部的意見文字修正通過 |
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21297.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
21322.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
第14條,看一下第30頁,台灣民眾黨黨團還有國民黨團的提案。張智倫委員的第14條,羅美玲委員的第10條,蘇巧惠委員的第18條,邱正軍委員的第15條。我們看一下第30頁。好,沒問題吧,關懷不住。第14條。好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
21325.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
21329.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
衛福部社會保險司、社會救助跟社會保險司王簡任視察 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
21346.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
21366.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
委員還有各位會的先進有關這個第14條衛福部的建議請請各位委員參酌我們希望你有文字是嗎來大家看一下就是現行臺灣民眾黨還有就是國民黨黨團以及蘇喬陽委員提案的版本我們保留第一項但是建議刪除第二項 |
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21366.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
21378.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
我們做這樣的修正的理由是因為輔助比較寬廣那不限於後面的所說的保費或醫療補助所以我們建議就是只保留第14條的第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
21381.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
21386.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
政府應提供新住民關懷協助。政府應提供新住民關懷協助。 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
21407.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
21408.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
政府應關懷提供新住民關懷協助並對弱勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
21437.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
21447.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
政府應提供新住民關懷協助,並對弱勢住民益補助。政府應提供新住民關懷協助。 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
21467.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
21469.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
政府應提供新住民關懷協助,並對弱勢新住民給予輔助。 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
21491.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
第14條修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
來第15條第15條看一下32頁臺灣民眾黨黨團還有國民黨黨團的提案第15條委員張智倫提案第15條委員蘇巧惠的第13條委員王美惠的第12條委員邱正軍委員的第16條32頁好這個是媒體的禁用權請問一下相關的單位有在嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
21548.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
通傳會有人在嗎?請說明一下,各幾位委員還有黨團的提案,你們有什麼意見?還是你們有一些文字的修正,像剛剛兩個部會的? |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
21572.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
通常會對於新住民的媒體禁用是樂觀其成的至於要怎麼設、要設什麼樣形式的媒體或者要怎麼來設相關媒體機構這部分我們就尊重日後的主管機關的權責因為本會是監理機關那如果要依廣電法、衛廣法來申請的話我們會本於職責來與協助 |
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21574.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
21595.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
請問一下目前應該有新住民的一些廣播現在是一些廣播電視媒體他有播一些新住民的節目比方說公視跟華視都有新住民的新聞那另外交易電台跟央廣都有一些新住民語言的節目他並不是一個專責的媒體但他在媒體節目裡面有些多元文化的節目 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
21597.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
21621.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
所以他這邊提的也是政府應該要保障新住民傳播和媒體的禁用權要設立全國新的新住民廣播電視還有網絡或是其他形式的影音平台然後對於前項這個自播新住民語言文化節目的廣播電視還有網絡還有或者是其他形式的媒體試驗政府要得與獎勵或補助 |
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| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
21639.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
這個部分應該沒意見吧?請問一下在場的委員們。來,大家提的也都差不多,對不對?來,請署長。這個,如果要設立那個廣播還有電視台,可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
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我們是不是改成說鼓勵廣播電視網路網際網路或其他媒體事業自播自播新住民語言的這些廣播電視節目或影音以促進新住民使用媒體 |
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因為你的製播其實第一項就已經有啦用製播啦那第二項其實它已經有啦就是要保障新住民的傳播和媒體的禁用權嘛要設立全國新的新住民廣播電視以及網路或其他行之的影片所以你對這個設立有問題 |
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一下子我們是希望說是不是前面寫鼓勵後面就是說做補助比如說政府對於自播新住民語言文化節目或影音的這些媒體事業我們得以獎獎勵或補助 |
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政府應保障新住民傳播及媒體禁用權,設立全國性的新住民廣播、電視以及網路或其他形式的影音平台。政府對於製播新住民語言、文化節目或影音的廣播、電視或網路等媒體事業得予以獎勵或補助。 |
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請問一下在場的委員們有沒有什麼意見我們這個不是我們的理論我們來修一下好了署長你的意思是不是在那個先不要動一下好不好你們的在哪裡他是不是一段就只有加兩個字啊是不是就是只要鼓勵設立署長你的條文有在我們議事人員那裡嗎 |
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請問一下巧惠委員還有余真委員你們的意思是不是按照那個署長 |
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政府應鼓勵廣播、電視、網際網路或其他媒體事業,製播新住民的語言文化之廣播, |
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電視節目或影音以促進新住民使用媒體。然後第二項政府對於製播新住民語言文化節目或者是影音之廣播、電視或網路的媒體事業得予以獎勵或補助。請問麥玉珍委員對於這樣子的文字修正 |
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同意,好,蘇巧慧委員我想確定一下,其實這上下第一項跟第二項是差不多意思,因為我們就是用獎勵補助來鼓勵嘛,對不對,那要分成這樣寫我也沒有意見,因為他就是為了要加入那個以促進新住民的實用媒體,那我現在是要確認一下上下第一項和第二項的項目,一不一樣,會不會有上面鼓勵然後下面沒有補助到的? |
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我認真說的啊我們很在意這種事情錢最重要了沒有什麼比這個 |
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對下面那一項感覺是得餘以獎勵或補助前面是鼓勵嘛所以我們現在就是要看前面的他現在是鼓勵廣播電視網際網路或其他媒體事業這是主體嘛然後製播新住民語言文化之廣播電視節目或影音那下面的話是什麼下面的話是新住民少一個網際網路網際 |
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新住民語言文化節目因為上下的寫法廣播電視節目或影音你上面是廣播電視節目或影音下面是廣播電視或網際網路他上面也是電他上面也是電視下面也是網際網路但是用語不同 |
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主席主席主席主席主席 |
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依應鼓勵廣播...我就是在... |
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好,你的第二項就其實不要,然後把得予以獎勵或補助放到第一項的媒體後面。放到影音的後面。對,好不好。影音的後面。對對,媒體,前面第一項那個使用媒體,對。餘以獎勵或補助,對阿,這樣可以阿。餘以獎勵或補助以致新住民使用。 |
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那如果是直接開宗明義寫政府未促進新住民使用媒體逗點 |
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因鼓勵廣播、電視、網際網路及其他媒體事業自播新住民語言文化之廣播政府因鼓勵廣播、電視、網際網路或其他媒體事業自播新住民語言文化之廣播電視節目或並予以獎勵或補助並促進新住民使用媒體 |
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政府應鼓勵 |
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22086.048 |
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各媒體事業政府應鼓勵各媒體事業致播新住民語言文化之廣播電視節目或影音並予以獎勵或補助以保障新住民德語德語獎勵一個語德語德語獎勵或補助我覺得最後可以改成以保障新住民媒體禁用權 |
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22087.689 |
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22115.601 |
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這樣感覺比較專業以保障新住民媒體金融權影音是不是以保障新住民媒體金融權可以嗎?大家看一下可以喔,這個很有進度 |
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請問一下署長這樣可以嗎?可以,拜託。政府應鼓勵各媒體事業致播新住民語言文化的廣播、電視節目或影音,並得予獎勵或補助,以保障新住民媒體經用權。好。請問一下僑會委員。 |
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第15條我們就按照這樣的修正通過來第16條看一下35頁台灣民眾黨團國民黨團的第16條張智倫委員第16條羅美玲委員的第12條蘇巧惠委員第19條邱振軍委員的第17條這個不是公共參與應該也沒什麼意見吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
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22164.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
你有什麼文字修正嗎?大家看一下這個文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
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22199.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
政府應鼓勵新住民投入、公共參與、增進多元文化交流。國民黨團也是這樣。然後張智倫委員的這個文字也一樣。然後蘇巧惠委員的文字也一樣。然後邱振軍委員的只是羅美玲委員是說政府應培訓新住民公共政策專業人才提供進修培訓課程要鼓勵新住民參加。前項的鼓勵得以獎勵或其他方法為之。 |
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一個是公共參與,一個是公共政策的專業人才。對於這個第16條,大家如果沒有意見的話,是不是我們就按照委員會的修正通過。不用。 |
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按照台灣民眾黨團提案,國民黨團提案,張智倫委員提案,蘇巧惠委員提案,邱振軍委員提案,通過。 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
22253.448 |
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22278.138 |
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來,第17條。台灣民眾黨團、國民黨團第17條。張智倫委員第17條。羅美玲委員、王美惠委員的第14條。蘇巧惠委員的第20條。邱振軍委員的第18條。看一下。就是施行日。好。施行日是不是改成本法施行日期由憲政院定次? |
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本法自公佈日施行本法施行日由行政院定之本法施行日由行政院定之本法施行日由行政院定之 |
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一樣啦,意思是一樣啦,但是是用他們的這個文字通過啦。好,我們就按照修正通過第17條。好,我們現在回過頭來,還有幾條,整理一下。我們先休息,上洗手間休息一下,然後等一下請議事人員來整理一下條文,好不好? |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
22360.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
22364.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
附帶決議的部分,然後我們等一下來看一下大家有沒有什麼意見。 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
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欸!智倫立委!新住民基本法跟...陳毅不是啦!你應該還會掛符啦!對啊!大家都支持你,你給他寫你的基本法,你也還掛符,會說,人家你過這行,這也是支持的! |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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因為我們自己沒有很多,但是一定要支持的,因為你看,因為哦,六十幾萬人啊,第一關出名多少啊,他們那台還會生經啊,越來越多。 |
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我是覺得最主要我認為最主要如果有事要做大家都有共識因為讓他說可以 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
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沒有這麼嚴重啊辛苦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三點四十六四點我今天要一點愛 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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主席主席主席主席主席主席主席 |
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繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。九、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨 |
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人們想要草案,你都要草案,我也要來草案,因為今天我沒地方,我睡不著,我已經家裡鄉親一直找我,對啊,家裡阿公阿嬤在找阿虎也要回來了, |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新 |
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現在大家回來了,因為剛才羅美玲委員暫時離開了之後,張宏祿委員有替羅美玲委員保留了第11條的部分。羅美玲委員的第8條,張智倫委員的第11條,蘇巧慧委員的第12條,就是通譯的部分。 |
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那那個羅美玲委員就是說她也不堅持她的第二項未達成前項目標政府應建立統一的通譯人員培訓及職業制度所以大家就比較能夠對於政府機關或機構在處理新住民事務的時候要使新住民得以其語言陳述意見然後各該政府機關或機構必要的時候要聘請通譯傳譯人員 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨團擬具 |
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這是您的第8條民眾黨團的第11條國民黨團的第11條蘇巧惠委員的第12條美惠委員的第11條邱振軍委員的第12條現在看一下第25頁看到了嗎 |
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對,好,謝謝。剛剛在25頁的時候,您因為只針對政府要建立統一的統一人員的培訓跟職業制度嘛,你堅持,你現在說你不堅持這一塊嗎?是這樣子,主席,謝謝主席。其實這個部分的話,其實就是一支我希望政府來做的,可是我剛剛一開始就有提到, |
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提案說明說我剛有提到就是說其實這這個非常浩大的這個工程可是我還是希望我們行政單位未來還是要朝這個方向前進那我知道說因為這樣執行起來也許行政單位會覺得非常的困難那我放進去的話會讓他們現階段非常的困擾 |
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所以這部分的話我暫時可以先拿掉可是這部分還是希望行政單位未來要來努力的這個方向我們必須要有一個統一的通益人的培訓跟制度因為現在的這個通益的這個培訓跟這個職業的制度其實是非常非常的混亂我一直在提到說這跟人權有關係比如說尤其是司法通益這個部分謝謝羅美玲委員我們知道了所以你的意思是說他們以後希望能夠做 |
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政府機關及機構處理新住民事務,因使新住民得以其語言陳述意見。各該政府機關或機構必要時應該要聘請、通譯、傳譯之。 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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所以這個署長你的意思說播音不要是嗎?是因為播音那個語言太多種了這樣可能不太行你如果說是要要符合這個所謂的這個大家都聽得懂那個播音應該也屬於在裡頭因為我們我們前面是說通譯的話其實個別的都沒有問題但是在公共領域要提供所有的新住民語言的播音是不是會有困難 |
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主席,這幾十個幾十個議員要報應,是不是有那麼困難?是不是再來?我覺得要多轉要求也要做出來。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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每次我們修法都這樣都講到沒電應該講就不要拿不要用因啦好如果我們把強度降下來就是政府於公共領域提供新住民語言播音諮詢等服務及其他落實新住民語言友善環境之措施卓有績效者應予獎勵就變成鼓勵性質嘛 |
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因為我可以看狀況有些地方那個人相對單一我可以提供播音服我會給他提供提供的話我們就把認定為語言友善的環境措施就給他獎勵這樣子政府壓力不會太大但是獎勵的精神可以保留大家看看怎麼樣所以你的意思說第二項政府那個鷹拿掉對鷹拿掉 |
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政府於公共領域提供新住民語言播音諮詢等服務及其他落實新住民語言友善環境措施,則有績效者益於獎勵。 |
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紅綠委員 |
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兩個啦齁我覺得英語獎勵應該是變成德語獎勵啦德語獎勵英就是一定要嘛對不對齁我建議這一個啦德語獎勵那我覺得剛剛那個署長講的也有道理啦你如果把他新住民族語言播音把它錄法 |
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我回應講我們簡單算啦如果你要我們不用每一個國家30個國家的話你講一次吼一個小時啊啊你是要怎麼處理所以我會建議就是說政府因爲公共領域提供新住民族語言諮詢等其他 |
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等服務及其他落實原住民有上環境之措施。所以這個紅綠委員的意思講說這個波音拿掉但是呢在公共領域的時候他必須要這樣好不好政府應於公共領域然後那個波音拿掉 |
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政府因於公共領域提供新住民語言的諮詢等服務及其他落實新住民語言友善環境的措施,助有績效者的英語獎勵, |
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這樣是不是好?可以嗎?那個麥玉珍委員、羅美玲委員,你們兩個我也比較尊重一下。這是每位委員的條文啦,他如果OK我們就OK啦,好不好?OK,好,謝謝。第11條,我們就按照修正,我們就,怎麼樣?司法院,好,司法院,好,司法院有什麼意見?來。 |
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審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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你回答有什麼問題,你講不下去。開一下你的麥克風。來,司法院請問您是?不好意思,我是那個司法院的林怡靜法官。不過這個範圍不是我今天就是授權在這裡表達的內容,但是我要表達是說我們司法院,就是我們司法體系有特約,就是有另外一個同意的機制,然後因為司法 |
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在使用同意的時候我們有一些進一步的授訊因為他畢竟有一些比較專業的程序跟還有一些用語這樣子那以上補充來法官不好意思第11條的第一項其實就是講政府機關 |
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政府機關他在處理新住民事務的時候他要使用新住民得以他的語言陳述意見他是可以用他的語言來陳述他的意見然後在這些政府機關機構呢如果需要的時候你們應該要應聘請通一傳一支這些也應該是經過你們那裡所同意的嘛對不對也訓練過的嘛那應該就是沒有意思目前都有相關的機制 |
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第11條修正通過 |
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羅美玲委員、蘇巧惠委員、美惠委員你們三個的提案就是羅美玲委員是說政府應提供新住民在我國生活所需的基本資料包含教育、文化、衛生、醫療、社會福利鼓勵他要接受社會適應教育培訓以及中文教育等等的課程 |
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前項課程的辦理要注意偏遠地區或經濟狀況不加新住民的上課門檻。然後第一項的鼓勵得以獎勵或用其他的方法為之。然後巧惠委員是政府應提供新住民在我國生活所需的基本資訊就差不多。 |
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職業訓練、中文教育等課程,他沒有講門檻,他講前項課程的實施辦法由行政院定之。美會的是前項資訊應該要盡力提供多語言版本,才能夠使各國的新住民能夠更完整了解我們他們在我國的生活所需的基本資訊,教育、文化、衛生、醫療還有社會福利。 |
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請美會委員請移民署署長建議哪位委員版本羅美玲委員版本羅美玲委員版本是大家看一下那個文字第一項第一項 |
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所以第一項你們是沒有問題的對然後呢前項課程的辦理要注意偏遠地區或經濟狀況不佳新住民的上課門檻這個你們有問題要特別這個我們一定會做要特別這麼細這個我也覺得很奇怪這個你們 |
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對不起,對,好,那個美玲委員。剛剛部長有在問那個上課的門檻,其實應該就是說,因為我們有些新住民他自己本身的這個語言、中文的這個程度,可能就是,這個部分可能我們是要考量的部分,因為有些新住民的這個中文其實不是那麼的好,所以我們在上課的時候,可能就是在辦理課程的時候,可能要注意到說他們語言這個部分,中文不佳的部分。 |
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第二項可以來做討論第一項是沒有問題前項課程的伴侶要注意偏遠地區或經濟狀況不佳的新住民的上課門檻偏遠地區 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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主席主席主席 |
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你覺得現在羅美玲委員的第二項跟第三項他是堅持?你剛剛有沒有聽到他的回應?不是不是不是我派人說不堅持好來請紅綠委員我覺得羅美玲委員的意思是三個委員的第一項整理一下那他第二項第三項他也不堅持那第一項要整理一下那你們要麻煩你們這邊你們要怎麼處理啊? |
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第一項的話基本上我們三個都差不多可是因為那個美會委員他的第二項有提到前項資訊政府應盡力提供多語言版本這個BASE各國新住民能完整了解我覺得這個加進來也是OK的就是說看看是不是說因為我的第一項可能會寫得比較仔細一點然後再加上美會委員的第二項大家討論看看 |
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第二項前項資訊政府應該要盡力提供多語言版本然後逼遍各國新住民能夠完整了解 |
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第一項是羅美玲委員的,然後第二項就是王美惠委員的。現在其他部會的可能不見得會有各種委員,現在比較有的是我們的部分,那各部會 |
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他最後講應盡力耶,也沒有真的是要完全,對啊。沒有啦,因為主席,現在我要跟署長說的說,你要盡量出力去做啦。因為我覺得說,已經如果你們說這樣,你又要努力去做啦。這應該是, |
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一、繼續審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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實際的執行比較重要啦好來看一下那個目前所羅列的是第7條但是如果我們按照條文來排列的話他是增訂第11條我們是不是也改成華語華語王是不是 |
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中文職業教育培訓以及華語教育是有這樣子嗎?剛剛我們不知道第幾條我忘了是寫我國語你不要條文前後不一致我覺得這個可能擦掉 |
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主席主席主席主席主席 |
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政府應提供新住民在我國生活所需的基本資訊,包含教育、文化、衛生、醫療以及社會福利等,並鼓勵其接受社會適應教育、職業教育培訓以及我國語言教育等課程。然後第二項是前項資訊,政府應盡力提供多語言版本,逼變各國新住民能完整了解。 |
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可以嗎?好!那這條文的增訂第11條之一,我們就按照這個修正通過。欸!對不起!紅綠委員。欸!一樓 |
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主席,現在他還在說,我這個第二項,叫政府盡力提供多元版本,他現在還怕說,這麼幾十國幾十國,那一國做得到,那一國做得不到,還會被人說這樣不好, |
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我是說你們盡量去提供嘛對 其實我不覺得有困難是說基本資訊欸你們看到沒有第11條之前面政府應提供新住民在我國生活所需的基本資訊他沒有告訴你說更多的東西這些基本的資訊應該你們是沒有問題吧 |
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基本資訊八、教育文化、衛生醫療、社會福利政府應盡力提供 |
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應該沒有問題了署長好不好好來第11條之一我們按照這個修正條文通過好謝謝來請問一下這個這個施瑤委員嗯完全是就法律文字齁法律文字應該不會有這種盡力提供多元版本避利避變各國性能完整了解法律文字應該沒有這種文字 |
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那來,法律文字應該是怎麼樣?我們請那個法務部有沒有在?來看一下好不好,麻煩您一下。因為我們事要委員覺得法律的用字不是這樣。麻煩您到這個發言台來好不好?對,謝謝。 |
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來前項資訊政府應盡力提供多語言版本必變各國新住民能完整了解在法律上的用語按一下旁邊的那個如果對這個必變或能比較有一點比較常見的是用以利可以的以便利的利以利 |
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以避利各國新住民,比如掌握資訊,沒有完整了解這麼口語的法律文字吧? |
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政府應盡力提供多語言版本以利各國新住民完整了解理解理解理解資訊理解美匯委員 |
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主席主席主席 |
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其實美會委員他的第二項其實我在第11條裡面其實是類似一樣的我那時候我的第11條是說政府於推動第7條就是我們討論這一條第9條以及其他支援政策是因努力提供多語言服務我的字眼是這樣對我的第11條其實就是美會委員的第二項啦主席看是要 |
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所以第7條第9條就是前面的那個嗎?那個文字嗎?我的第11條其實就是美會委員的第8條的第二項。我知道,但是你是說政府在推動第7條跟第9條的部分。所以第7條跟第9條就是前面這些嗎?是是是,第7條對。包括教育文化這些。 |
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對,那如果是說把他的第1句拿掉,把政府於推動第7條、第9條以及其他支援政策時這個拿掉的話,我們說前項資訊政府應努力提供多語言服務這樣子呢?就比較簡單明了。好,你的第二項變成前項資訊政府應努力提供多語言服務。OK嗎? |
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美會委員這樣我來請問,這樣可以嗎?來,署長。前項資訊政府應努力提供多語言服務。請問這樣可以嗎? |
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最後的定案,第11條之一按照修正通過。 |
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現在我們來看一下不在決議,對。因為我就是,我表達我的想法,我是說,我們想這個法可以你們理解和了解做啦。不是說,我們想了解你們沒辦法做,自愛人生也不可以大家坐在這裡討論,我們有什麼意見你們要講啊。 |
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好 謝謝組長這樣了解了以後真的是我們在修法的時候請你們要心力準備的來而不是就是認為就是說朝委我今天不會審查條文好不好不要用這種心態來謝謝好我們先來來談一下兩個附帶決議來請宣讀 |
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附帶決議一、有鑒於居住台灣地區之人民受歧視申訴辦法第三條及第五條之規定,要求以書面為之及應以中文擅具,顯對不安中文之新住民及不友善。經查自民國97年8月1日至113年3月31日之受歧視申訴案件計36件,顯與社會現況不符,仍要求內政部緊速檢討居住台灣地區之人民受歧視申訴辦法,並使新住民便利使用申訴機制。提案人委員徐欣穎等三人。 |
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附帶決議二,有鑒於中央法規涉及違反消除一切形式種族歧視國際公約之餘列管法規計26項,行政機關法規修正調整進度遲緩,僅解除列管三項,因加緊腳步追上進度,讓歧視在台灣完全不再存在,遠要求內政部緊速盤點,會商相關機關就反歧視相關法案行政命令檢討修正。提案人委員徐欣盈等3人。宣讀完畢。 |
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請問各位委員對於這個附帶決議有沒有意見來請署長報告一下那個第一案那個是最主要是說提到說對於不安中文的新住民對於什麼對不起 |
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不按中文的新住民極不友善 |
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第二段第二段原要求內政部把它改成移民署然後儘速改善因為這個不涉及到辦法的修正 |
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請問一下徐新英委員提案委員在不在來請這個徐新英委員他有事請我幫忙發言針對這個署長講的我們可以您的意思是說第一個是移民署內政部改成移民署那只要改善就可以把這個問題可以解決不用去檢討這個申訴辦法 |
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那我請教一下申訴辦法裡面有沒有要求說現在這個第三條跟第五條要求因為這些新住民有一些人他的中文不是很好甚至他不太會用書寫的方式完整去表達我們現在實際上寫英文來的我們也幫忙去翻譯然後去處理可是你有沒有要求說這些新住民要用書寫然後用中文為之沒有沒有沒有 |
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那我請教一下第三條跟第五條的規定是什麼?來,第三條和第五條的規定要求是要以書面為之,以及要以中文擅具。 |
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然後對不按中文的新住民極不友善所以希望你們移民署要檢討要改善你自己說用改善所以你可以改善嗎第三條第五條的規定你可以改善嗎因為我剛剛講的我們實際上如果不是寫中文來的我們也幫忙翻譯然後去了解去處理所以就 |
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四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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就列一個第三條、第五條來,請問一下美玲委員知道的第三條跟第五條嗎?什麼?對,我們要看一下不知道,好,來來來,是說辦法第三條、第五條是不是來看一下現在影印可能來不及你方便讓我們怎麼樣了解一下第三條、第五條吧因為提案委員在 |
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第三條是寫申訴書的?第三條我們看一下申訴書的提起 |
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因致知悉受歧視致權利受不法侵害之次日起兩個月以內以書面為之,但是侵害發生已經超過一年者不得提起。然後第二個部分是前項 |
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前項申訴的提起申訴書應以中文擅具的這個部分申訴書應以中文擅具其附有外文資料者應就申訴有關部分具備中文一本但主管機關認定有必要的時候得通知申訴人檢據其他部分之中文一本這個我們來修好了 |
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請事要委員不好意思那個署長我是第一次看到這個居住台灣地區之人民受歧視申訴辦法那看起來他是97年來發布的那如果就以剛剛我們直接挑第三條跟第五條來看我自己就會覺得這是一個年久失修的申訴辦法 |
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例如說在第二條裡面我們看第二條到底哪些東西構成他足以去認為不法侵害的要件你這邊列的是國籍、種族、膚色、階級、出生地等因素那我問你性別有沒有我問你其他的工作狀態有沒有 |
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這個是跟魔法一樣那我在這裡要跟您討論是說因為部長也在因為我們在倡議不管在司法法治委員會或是內政委員會未來諮詢過我們現在是在催生台灣的反歧視法那反歧視法是一個更全觀的那它包括不同的族群也包括新住民它的面向是非常廣的 |
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所以那個是一個我們會認為更完善的部分那現在因為這個辦法看起來我自己感覺上就非常的怪異譬如說第三條為什麼是所謂歧視治權力受不法侵害之次日期兩個月內以書面為之為什麼是兩個月然後呢侵害發生已遇一年者就不得提起為什麼只有一年很多東西譬如說我們在講這個很多的這個性騷或其他事情他的 |
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他的申訴期限是更長的所以我如果以我現在非常rough的看到這個條文第三條的第一項我就會覺得這整個可能申訴辦法都應當更嚴謹的去檢視當然很謝謝這個徐信穎委員這邊的提案他是focus在語言的使用的不友善這當然是可以討論但只是演繹出來的其他面向我個人就覺得這整個申訴辦法都非常的年久失修 |
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但是今天的附帶決議是只有第三條跟第五條嗎?第三條第五條我想這個署長都已經說他可以來移民署可以盡速的來改善那至於其他條文的話其實是不是有其他我要提或者是移民署你們要主動提就希望你們能夠認為不符合現在的這個年代的需求你們也提出來但是今天的附帶決議徐欣盈提的就是只有第三條跟第五條好不好? |
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對,來請部長,謝謝謝謝昭偉讓我來解釋一下就是沒有錯,因為是97年到現在當然裡面有一些失疑沒有辦法跟得上目前時代的部分那如果我們未來的新住民的這個權益保障法通過之後我們會修執法或者是說現在行政院也在修反歧視法我們會把這兩個合在一起未來再提出所謂的這個行政命令或其他執法的時候會把它加進去裡面 |
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所以非常謝謝徐委員提到這個部分除了原來第3條第5條馬上要做修正因為是頁面上的修正以外未來這一整個的這個相關的這個命令或是辦法的話我們會跟著母法通過以後就做修正好謝謝部長的補充說明那因為徐欣英委員是我們本委委員的他只有講到第3條第5條所以是不是請這個需要委員也能夠 |
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理解好不好當然謝謝您剛剛的提醒那個部長也已經回應您了所以那個附帶決議的第一這個原要求移民署競訴改善這個部分沒問題嗎對不對好我們就按照這個文字的修正然後提案徐欣盈張智倫還有 |
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張智倫委員張智倫委員 |
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就盡速改善,好不好?對,就盡速改善。這個後面的話,這個居住台灣地區這個算出辦法是劃掉了。對,好,來。附帶決議第二個,有沒有問題?附帶決議的第二個,這個 |
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因為這個部分是消除一切種子、歧視國際公約我們有檢視過的就是說各部會可能有些有疑慮的條文現在都各部會他要各自的去修正 |
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那這個修正相關的管制是在行政院有一個防制人口犯慮及消除一切種族歧視的協調匯報來列管所以這個部分後面寫說原要求內政部進促盤點的部分是不是改成定期盤點 |
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定期盤點其他文字你沒問題就是這個競速把它修正為定期我們盤點的部分內政部夜館的部分我們可以定好所以你認為文字應該怎麼修正是原因要求內政部就夜館部分定期盤點 |
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就業管部分定期盤點張智倫委員您看到了沒有就是他的那些文字的修正現在署長的意思說在他的業管範圍之內的他可以儘速來盤點請教一下署長那會商相關機關 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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會商應該沒問題吧會商也可以啦就是說如果有牽涉到我們就會商對啊你就會商相關機關嘛他沒有讓你就是一定不過最主要還是就我們的部分會同商量會同商量會商叫做會同商量對那我前面還是對啊就是要求就內政部的業務業管部分嘛定期盤點嘛然後你們也會會商相關機關嘛對不對 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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好來請問一下好那就拜託好市長部長這邊來看一下文字的修正好原要求內政部業管就要求就內政部來原要求內政部就業管部分 |
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定期盤點然後會商相關機關拿掉然後就反歧視相關法案行政命令來檢討修正好請問一下這樣修正文字可以嗎好按照我們剛剛提的這個修正文字這個附帶決議第二案通過謝謝好我們現在先宣讀協商結論 |
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宣讀本法草案審查結論法案名稱保留第一條照委員蘇喬惠等提案通過第二條、第三條、第四條、第五條、第六條保留增訂第二條之一照委員羅美玲提案通過增訂第二條之二照委員羅美玲提案修正通過第七條照蘇喬惠委員提案修正通過 |
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委員羅美玲等提案第2條、委員蘇喬惠等提案第10條、委員王美惠等提案第9條、委員邱振興等提案第4條保留。第8條保留。第9條修正通過。增訂第9條之一。照委員羅美玲等提案第9條修正通過。第10條保留。 |
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第11條修正通過。增訂第11條之一修正通過。第12條修正通過。第13條修正通過。第14條修正通過。第15條修正通過。第16條照國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨團委員張智倫等、委員蘇喬瑞等、委員邱正軍等提案通過。第17條修正通過。宣傳完畢。 |
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請問各位委員按照剛才的協商結論通過請問有沒有異議就協商的部分就是通過的條文對 |
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對保留的也保留了我們這個有文字修正的也都已經通過了所以我再說一下本次會議審查通過的條文或者是保留的條文我們也請內政部還有相關主管機關必須就行政院的版本草案來全面檢視以利本黨團未來本法案未來順利進行好不好那這個是提醒你們的必須要提醒你們的部分 |
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主席 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。九、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案案 案 。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案 案 。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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是嗎?我今天一定不會回來,不是今天一定不會回來,今天一定不會回來,因為今天我們自己的健康財,其他的人平凡啊。我告訴你,我這次的國會,這次的國會,常常都說什麼改革,因為大家好好的照顧自己,就不會讓大家貴一點的功夫。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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兩、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2會期內政委員會第3會期內政委員會第4會期內政委員會第5會期內政委員會第6會期內政委員會第7會期內政委員會第8會期內政委員會第9會期內政委員會第10會期內政委員會第11會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第13會期內政委員會第14會期內政委員會第15會期內政委員會第16會期內政委員會第17會期內政委員會第18會期內政委員會第18會期內政委員會第19會期內政委員會第19會期內政委員會第20會期內政委員會第21會期內政委員會第22會期內政委員會第 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員羅美玲等22人擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。九、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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我們嘉義今天在蓋新大樓有跟我們內政部爭議這個爭議我感覺很奇怪北東,嘉義北東對,一個就大樓十幾到十年十幾到十年很好笑而且早就核准行政院早就核准那都一直,我都覺得你還值得你還值得你還值得你還值得你還值得 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員羅美玲等22人擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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新住民基本法草案案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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他們當時說,說這些是我們不可以買的,那你究竟是不是人家吃慣了? |
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啊,對啊。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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一、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。九、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。一、繼續審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民基本法草案。一、繼續審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民基本法草案。一、繼續審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民基本法草案。一、繼續審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民基本法草案。一、繼續審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民基本法草案。一、繼續審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民基本法草案。一、繼續審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草 |
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副副副副副副副副副副副副副 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案 案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案 案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案 案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案 案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案 案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案 案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案 案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案 案。五、繼續審查國 |
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新住民基本法草案案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。八、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。九、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。十、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。 |
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繼續審查國民黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。六、繼續審查國民黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。七、繼續審查國民黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。八、繼續審查國民黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。九、繼續審查國民黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。10、繼續審查國民黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。11、繼續審查國民黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。12、繼續審查國民黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。13、繼續審查國民黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案 案。14 |
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繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬 |
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還要拍!秉修農賣牌啊!還要拍! |
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好這個討論事項新住民權益保障法草案以及新住民基本法草案等7案已併案審查完均凝聚審查提報院會討論請問在場的委員要不要須經過黨團協商好要嗎好請紅綠委員 |
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不是啊早上我們協商後來結果是到底不是說就再審一次今天今天把它討論完然後我們等月板進來我們再討論一次對因為早上是說我們就是等月板其實等月板進來我來隨時排都可以所以但是我們今天還是初委員會好不好 |
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韓國瑜院長召開協商之前,召委我還可以再排一次黨團協商。行政院板什麼時候送進來,我就什麼時候排。 |
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主席覺得這樣子啦就是說如果是主席我們看起來不管怎麼樣其實今天大家都這麼認真審了其實我們也只不過是說讓院版來那個一定是討論過最完整的版本嘛或者至少是現在政府的態度我們把今天0612的委員會討論共識的版本和院版再做一次比較我真的覺得沒有差這樣一次的委員會討論時間 |
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也許這樣只要一比較那一天我們根本就有共識甚至不用協商這樣不用等一個月可能還更快可以完成我覺得其實這個是你要說時間的話這個反而是更快的這是第一點第二點如果以討論的狀況來講 |
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我也必須說啦其實主席您在這幾次主持的委員會裡面啊都讓我們充分討論啊我們也都很認真討論其實不好意思齁我覺得好像比去草野協商院長主持的那個坦白講我們第一你看人數是所有這個關心議題的委員會都可以坐在裡面然後也都可以暢所欲言主席你也都調整時間調整得很好 |
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我是覺得反正大家都要在一次嘛那是不是也可以讓我們有這個就像海保法也是好幾次會議啊吳清明在當召委的時候光是那個海保法對不對大家有意見也是留在委員會留了好幾次那這委員會是不是可以大家互相一下 |
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好,請劉協廷委員這個,因為本來大家就覺得說交朝野協商就是直接到黨團三長那邊嘛但因為我們前面其實還有一次是由趙偉、趙集的協商嘛那我覺得如果在趙偉、趙集協商的過程之中我們就比照今天的模式我們一樣逐條逐條來跑那是不是實際上他一樣有審查的效果然後我們就留下我們就留下紀錄啊就這個初委員會之後要進朝野協商嘛要一個月 |
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但這個月的時間那還不排嘛那這件事情大家高度關注所以高清召委召集的時候大家都會來嘛那來的時候我們再針對今天還沒有共識的八個條文再做完整的討論那如果順利那個院板進來一起看過 |
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就順利出去,也不用進到院長主持的協商嘛就可以直接排院會,就敲唇式過關這樣大家都落袋但我們之所以現在講說還是要先出委員會就是擔心萬一到了最後的最後的最後大家還是沒有共識,必須表決大家還是要尊重那個30天協商期的法律嘛那當然講柯總召有講事出善意說這個可以用政治的角度來處理可是問題是政治角度來處理的時候其他兩黨的黨編要同意嘛 |
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那這件事情顯然政治今天沒有共識那沒有共識的話那我們是不是走一個相對穩健的路啦沒有沒有對 直接講沒有我都超誠實的可是你們總召來有說對 啊問題是這也是三個黨邊要有共識啦不是啊你們總召你們不聽 |
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我是覺得因為行政院板都已經快完成行政院板也有誠意也在做最完備的討論 |
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那我是衷心的建議大家今天坐在這裡內政委員會的委員的認真專業都很讓大家感佩感動那我想大家共同的目標是一個就是讓這個法案更好更周全 |
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那如果能夠再爭取讓院板併進來就條文條次在委員會的階段然後能夠逐一的來比對讓他能夠更落實委員會中心主義然後呢我相信今天的保留的幾個條文其實也包括名稱啦那院板一定可以提供一個更好的討論的範本然後大家更集思廣益 |
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所以是大家共同的目標應當是如何讓這個版本更好那代表內政委員會一起用心審議專業審議的心血結晶所以不是說我真的我非常同意剛剛喬惠委員講的搞不好再爭取一次委員會然後併案進來好好審查在朝委這麼能夠主持跟調和鼎賴的狀況之下你也許到最後都不需要保留協商 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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謝謝我們召委,謝謝大家辛苦,因為我們是,剛才我們劉委員講得很清楚,我們先出委員會,所以,對,所以我的意見我就可以講,你要聽我講完嘛,有頭有尾嘛,對不對,對,我們就是,劉委員也跟我們大家討論說,我們就是先出委員會,在 |
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學商之前,如果那個行政院板來,我們召委再來說,大家就來再討論。我覺得我們已經讓了一大步,我們希望完整。就是我們就是討論嘛,我們也就覺得說這樣子,大家到最後,大家就是要用這樣子的方式,我們覺得也很好。所以我們就不要說在這邊說,我們不是不要討論, |
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因為我們說要等願版的時候如果是願版真的出來因為願版的話要八個部會要去協調還要去有願版但是呢如果到六月份現在十幾號了如果是沒有辦法出來的話變成我們就時間討論所以我們沒辦法是要去這樣子的那個啦所以我們希望 |
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我們希望就是說我們剛才我們已經表明很清楚我們先就是大家如果沒有辦法達成共識我們就出院會我們再來說等就是黨團協商如果黨團協商之前我們的院板來了我們再來去再來逐條一次是沒有問題了我們早晚也答應我們我們現在我們委員也是這樣子的同意所以拜託大家 |
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我們請洪烏委員,抱歉我覺得啦,大家都這麼有共識都已經討論成這樣了而且,內政部這邊也說行政院也說6月20他一定會送到立法院來那我覺得大家都這樣子有共識的情況之下我們再花個時間來討論我覺得是對法案最好的 |
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對,所以我我知道昭偉的意思但我還是請教一下議事人員昭偉說的那個主條他那個是協商的討論跟委員會的討論有一樣嗎法律意義上是完全不一樣喔我必須要這樣我覺得我只是昭偉我不是說你這樣做不行我是說我們每個內政委員會的委員我覺得不管院版哪個版我們明明知道時間來得及那 |
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這個他們黨團的總召他們也都有這個共識的情況之下那我們應該就是好好的討論一下我們內政委員會也要對內政委員會自己負責不然我們內政委員會所有的委員我覺得這樣出去我覺得大家對我們也覺得還有的你們就要這樣子沒有充分的討論我個人的看法是這樣所以我會拜託就是說召委 |
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大家都有共識的情況之下我覺得這個討論應該很快那我們如果討論好我們也不用協商啊就直接就可以表決了啊那反而更快啊對不對我們如果再討論一次都不用保留協商反正直接表決就好啦這樣反而更快好所以這個第一輪大家的說明都已經說完了齁好的等一下羅美玲委員還沒說謝謝 |
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其實我今天早上其實已經有表明立場就是說其實我們一直都希望說病案跟行政院的版本病案審查那當然後來當然我們還是先審了嘛跑了這一輪那我剛剛也跟智倫委員還有劉雪婷講說其實今天討論的這方式其實讓我我在想大家都應該都是很滿意我們是充分的討論 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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就好好來做討論我是覺得這應該是比較適合的方式那我也希望說待會行政院我希望說待會我們部長是不是把一個時程稍微跟大家講一下我們的OK好 |
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好,我們再請吳思耀委員不好意思,不好意思,嘮叨一點點我想從那個立法技術面來講因為不管名稱未來是落在權益保障法或者是基本法如果是基本法的話它的位階是非常高的就是憲法等級的 |
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主席主席主席主席主席 |
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立法院第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆 |
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每一條都可以充分的去對否則你直接黨團協商像剛剛主席所宣布就是保留前幾條那如果有一些院版更好的精神跟內容他可能不是在前面幾條可以塞進來他也許條次是在後面的那這樣就會變成東拼西湊上都會去檢臥了大家想讓這個法好好立的那個這個良法美意啦所以我完全是從那個立法技術上來說 |
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今天如果是直接送出委員會等到依舊是高進委員排的但是是委員會level的黨團寫上可是他那個條次受限條控的那個空間就被壓縮了那也會為了幾條文而 |
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就是真的有點拼裝車我覺得這個都不是大家這麼專業嚴謹共同的想法所以只差一個禮拜是真的很希望說能夠再爭取召委同意辛苦一點我想召委辛苦都沒有問題是最阿信的就是再讓委員會再一次等病案回來真的我是覺得在立法技術上這樣才是嚴謹的 |
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好,非常謝謝各委員的發言,還有委員要發言嗎?那個,這樣子啦,因為,因為其實齁,今天保留幾個條文,不外乎第一個名稱,第二個範圍嘛,第三個要不要轉折機關,它就是三,就這三個問題了,其他我認為都是相對肢解,然後,今天之所以我們前面講說,針對後面的條文,它比較簡單,但都是一些內容的部分,大家已經做了充分的發言跟討論,我們基本上每一條的時候,我們也都問了一下行政黨委的意見嘛, |
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那其實院版是只是他沒有走完報院的行政程序但他其實心裡都知道法條長什麼樣子所以說我認為出來的起義也不會差很多啦所以說我覺得說這個法案的這個階段的討論是可以透過黨團協調的方式處理嘛那委員召集的時候大家都來嘛其實就還是可以用一樣的方式來審查也可以充分的表達意見我是覺得是OK的 |
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如果說其他比如說你成本送出去的那一種那當然就會有很多問題啦但我覺得今天其實內容上大家都確定了只有大的政治方向上要經過一個再討論的決策那我覺得那個透過這個召委召集的協商的角度來處理內政委會再經過一次討論我認為我認為在立法基礎上是可行的以上 |
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謝謝劉錫廷委員的補充說明,其實我剛剛想回應的也就是這樣,就是說因為這個法案的名稱其實就在我們的委員會在討論其實一定是沒結果,因為他一定是要這個很重大的名稱,一個叫做這個 |
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新住民基本法一個叫做權益保障嘛權益保障法跟基本法兩個概念就如同剛剛這個施耀委員所講的所以這個部分可能在我們委員會裡面討論可能也比較會沒有辦法定其實呢剛剛牛許廷委員講了各位委員也非常的辛苦我們每一條條文也充分的討論了 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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能夠這個能夠全面檢視那我再念一下本次會議審查通過的條文保留的條文請內政部還有相關主管機關必須就行政院版本的草案那雖然現在我們還不知道有沒有行政院的版本因為剛剛內政部部長講的是還在他們內政部裡面並沒有提到行政院會 |
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必須就行政院版本的草案來全面檢視,以利我們這個法案在黨團協商的時候我們順利進行。我想說各位會如果還有意見我們先休息一下,因為我們吳昭偉我們兩個人是最溝通最順暢的,所以我們來跟昭偉兩個溝通一下好不好? |
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主席 |
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我都回來了。我都回來了。 |
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繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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警察人員人事條例那個三屬條是什麼內容我都還沒看清楚那個所得替代率扣一點我們扣四年說不能再扣就這麼簡單已經發了我就是看到因為今天退警協會有在外面 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民權益保障法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案。五、繼二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草案。五、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具、「新住民基本法草 |
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就是兩個人一樣的事 |
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今天的結論今天的結論跟原版剛剛不是有調出來一個那個對照表嗎?然後裡面就有一個行政院長嗯?行理有?那你來對答我什麼意思?因為他們剛剛不是只有講某幾講過我沒版本嗎?不是講我沒有版本嗎?你早說啊 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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這也沒有什麼好表決,沒有共識啊?沒有共識啊?沒有要表決啊?直接講?一進來我們就協商嘛,就再開一次這樣子就好啦。 |
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那要程序委員會 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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萬一比如說6月28再開一次對不對6月28再開還是沒有公示嘛那你到時候還是要保留協商嘛但是你保留協商的時候就一個月的冷凍期第一會期就過不了了我們的目標是第一會期要過所以剛剛我講柯總召柯總召是要第一會期要過對那我們要的是我們希望我們的月版是可以再實質討論的所以我們準備進行所以也不用什麼方法沒關係我們這個談判是這樣嘛你要的是什麼不要的是什麼那大家不就要看海報 |
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他的意思就是因為這個會期過他用政治保證的方式然後叫我們等院門問題是這個政治解決的前提一定是三黨黨的黨員要同意嘛後來兩支兩黨沒有簽名啊對啊 那就是 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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三、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查台灣民眾黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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最後沒有簽字啊,沒有畫押嘛,後來最後是沒有畫押嘛。董事長也是說有跟我們談論,沒有,完全沒有,不要每次都跟我們講說,沒有講過。現在怕的是那個一個月嘛,因為如果一旦把我們在談的時候把那個一個月算了就拿掉是不是?沒辦法拿掉啦,有可能規定啦。稍微審商的時候,三黨的旁邊都不要來? |
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我們先內政再開一次內政前段先開一項組織真的破裂了你再找黨編再來對啊對啊對啊我們大家有共識拜託董莊不要來喔然後我們就在委員會裡面 |
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對阿,我們就先願板跟我們現在今天的結果合,我們就再好好再走一遍,好嗎? |
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對阿當然阿當然是這樣子阿當然是這樣子阿我們也來尊重我們大家討論那麼辛苦阿我們在討論最好了對不對 |
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如果沒有明確的相沖,因為我講嘛,就是等高興召委召集協商的時候我們大家都來嘛,所以他實質上他還是委員會的人討論嘛你提案的包含,這個可以處理?不會不會不會,怎麼會漏掉你不可能,我們會支持你是的 |
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白搞了就對了,好吧,那就白搞吧 |
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如果加開委員會,從這樣子的邏輯上也是全部要重跑,那如果是這樣那就乾脆黨員要比較快,那還是要重跑,還是同一批人 |
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那就乾脆就是用協商這樣我想這其實就是政治問題嘛萬一到了最後的最後還是沒有公司要表決嘛就是卡這個問題嘛避免調適跟矛盾的問題嘛好吧那就這樣可能會影響後面的法條啦 |
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我們把今天討論出來有共識做成黨員是重要參考只要沒有相悖就以那個優先碼阿如果真的有狀況的時候黨員還是可以做個微調就這樣子阿 |
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對,立法變成一個版本。其實就是前幾條,他不是審,就是從頭到尾用協商的方式處理。 |
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我覺得這樣可以我覺得這樣可以0612會議版這兩個版本這樣 我覺得小慧委員這樣講OK啦那就先送了那我們現在就是送出對 但我們0612的版本會整合出一個跟原版做對照 |
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二十號送出來之後我們就來排嘛可是可是等一下還重點是院盤什麼時候會出來?到時候沒有出來就20號嘛對不對20號院會拍掉嘛好好好 |
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六、立下禮拜四的行政院院會就會通過了行政院院版所以交回就會全案保留的案子是委員會的公職版可以加上公職版?公職版版跟院版,並安協商啦,對啦,好 |
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六月的最後一個禮拜來提名這件事情? |
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對,他進來之後一排好就約大家有空的時間就來是這樣沒錯我本來是希望今天開到9點把他全部講完你們要回去對行政院說一下不早點來 |
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對 還是有期限嘛 到最後會有期限可是5月20已經好了好了 這個就別申了第一就是行政院 這個內政部6月20要把它處理完嘛好 送進來行政院行政院行政院好不好然後第二個就是以今日會議的版本整合完的版本跟院版做並案協商那如果沒有構思咧沒有構思 協商完沒有構思也會有表決啊你只有兩個版本可以表決嘛才會有兩個版本可以表決 |
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因為你不能八個版本就去表決不對啊協商是整個版本 |
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今天是不用啦,今天講好了就是直接做決議了,我沒有表決啦,何必呢?下一次是協商啦,協商也沒有表決的問題啊,協商就是喬喬喬喬喬喬,有公式的就變成有公式的,沒有公式的條文就分開,就送到院門,送到院門表決。今天送出去,一個月之內就處理完,16號可以表決。最差的狀況是怎樣? |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
這要審查報告? |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新 |
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中間都會留會議記錄嘛,對不對?這樣就好啦。我們都來,而且以內政委員會為發言主體嘛,我們有這樣子一個決議。沒有留記錄嘛,這個就是留記錄,正式的會議就是留記錄嘛。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2會期內政委員會第3會期內政委員會第4會期內政委員會第5會期內政委員會第6會期內政委員會第7會期內政委員會第8會期內政委員會第8會期內政委員會第9會期內政委員會第10會期內政委員會第11會期內政委員會第11會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第11會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第13會期內政委員會第13會期內政委員會第14會期內政委員會第14會期內政委員會第14會期內政委員會第14會期內政委員會第 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2會期內政委員會第3會期內政委員會第4會期內政委員會第5會期內政委員會第6會期內政委員會第7會期內政委員會第8會期內政委員會第8會期內政委員會第9會期內政委員會第10會期內政委員會第11會期內政委員會第11會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第13會期內政委員會第13會期內政委員會第14會期內政委員會第14會期內政委員會第14會期內政委員會第14會期內政委員會第15會期內政委員會第15會期內政委員會第 |
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一、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝 趙偉不會不會不會 |
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這個是女生最忌諱最忌諱 |
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繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。六、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。七、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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他們就算不掌換人,這個法有差異那麼大嗎?我覺得上來我稍微微調就好,我搞不懂。他跟我說52年才開始。今年都沒有開新住民的匯報。 |
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對阿我覺得應該只有部長跟那個什麼換人 |
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一月13號就知道總統是誰了就可以進行了 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第22屆第3會期內政委員會第4會期內政委員會 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。三、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。 |
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三、繼續審查國民黨團擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。四、繼續審查《新住民基本法草案》案。五、繼 |
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我待會就會說本次會議審查通過的條文調遲一數不明相關願意授權主席林志榮經理,討論事項這個論述的條件,並定案審查委員軍,民進審查報告情報院會討論,然後要不要進入他們的資料,然後再來就是請行政院以6月21號起向相關草案判決委員來質疑, |
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副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長副長 |
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立法院第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會第12屆第1會期內政委員會 |
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主席 |
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好,非常好。我們今天的討論還是按照我們內政委員會非常平和、非常順利的來討論結束。來,我先讀一下。本次會議審查通過的條文、條次、引述條文的部分、文字還有相關法、自用語、授權主席還有議事人員整理。 |
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然後討論事項這個新住民權益保障法草案還有新住民基本法草案等期案以併案審查完略審查報告提報院會討論請問在場的委員我們要不要經過黨團協商必須要對不對好需經黨團協商保留的有有對一起需經黨團協商然後另外請行政院於6月20 |
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本案於院會討論時,由本席高津昭為、蘇梅作補充說明。行政院在6月21日前將相關草案函請本院來審議。本席將於院會交付、禁付二讀後,並按協商。 |
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好,請問一下大家有沒有意見?沒有意見,本次會議到此結束。我們現在散會,辛苦大家。謝謝,大家辛苦了。佛國立民的法案,大家都在這要注意喔。各朝也還有我們的民進黨都非常的關注,好不好?辛苦大家,謝謝。 |
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好,辛苦你們,謝謝。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會議 |