| IVOD_ID |
159976 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159976 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-09T11:34:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-09T11:48:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/984603a5a250cdce0717e0adb842796ba9dd72f8e909e2232eb6e21b32d8c6be6c7b4370730bc6965ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:34:07 - 11:48:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長對於「勞動部所屬基金違規使用如何追回及究責」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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我們下一位請蘇昭偉詢答請謝謝主席我請我們副審計長跟副組計長 |
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主席總署嘛 你是行政議員是你副審議長 你是鑑產議員今天在這裡說鑑產議員 鑑產議員你就是鑑產議員 你都這樣撒來撒去好 我們這個預算編列到預算執行到結算之後我要請問主席處你們的 主席總署你們的角色是什麼 |
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跟我們報告就是說基本上從預算籌編開始那我們就是會請各部會來提需求那我們就是會進行會診那會再區分他如果是屬於公共建設科技等等會有一些先期 |
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計畫的這個審議機關像國發會科科技部等等那最後我們就把這個會診的結果經過一個會議審查以後提報到行政院院會院會通過以後就送立法院大概我們的角色是這樣所以你們是先前譬如說明年115年的預算你們現在就開始在張羅嗎那你們開始邊邊邊你們是負責前半段嗎 |
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那各個部會怎麼編怎麼編 這樣嘛後來大家上行政院 院會後通過 再上過來立法院嘛那立法院審查像這次有一些凍結的 有一些核酸的那你們再報回去之後 請問你們是怎麼分配 |
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我看那邊主席長都在哀哀說什麼沒辦法分配沒辦法凍結的他沒有辦法分配到底這是怎麼一回事你要講清楚因為沒有多少人聽得懂 |
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所以你就卡在哪裡? |
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因為那個就業部長我在高鐵上跟他同車他也一直在抱怨說統三下來的錢到底我分到多少是不是這樣所以他也不曉得要怎麼做行政院也不曉得要怎麼做是不是這樣就是對目前就是有一個636億不明確是要刪減什麼項目好那你現在互利也沒有過了那你們現在怎麼辦 |
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現在基本上就是說就跟那個剛剛部長講的是一樣的問題嘛那種有的刪有的動那再來就3到600多億那個怎麼分法定部要分到多少要分到多少是不是這樣就是跟委員報告就是因為這個636億的不確定性就連動到後面要採取什麼的措施就變成一種困難 |
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所以現在已經四月了 你們現在怎麼辦因為六百多一直還是不確定所以勒 |
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所以現在就是說我一直叫勞動部叫衛務部趕快來申請解凍但是解凍是另外一個啦這個600多億是統3的嘛是不是要講清楚喔對就是900多億裡面有明確項目的扣除以後還有636億是不明確所以是3的嘛是3減的部分 |
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所以這張卡在這裡不知道要怎麼錄是好那 |
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審計部你的感受是什麼跟委員報告就是大院審議中央政府總預算案通過了像總統如果公佈之後他們各部會就會把那個每個月的分配預算都會分配分配之後審計部的主要的職長之一就是會監督預算執行 |
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從這個會計年度一開始到結束我們都是包括平常的會計報告的審核分配預算的查核到實際的派員就地去財務搜索抽查另外一部分是專案調查 |
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所以你114年的預算現在互裔也沒過了所以呢現在總統府也公佈了所以你是114年按頁 |
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跟攤每個月都有在追蹤考核是這樣嗎每個月都有審核還是等到115年都不料啊我們的審核包括書面審核書面審核就平常破櫃資訊系統跟機關送過來的會計報告我們也會線上去看他的交易憑證這個是平常就在做然後也要例行派員到各部會去就地抽查 |
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這個是從年頭到年尾都好那剛剛主計處那邊講的600多億未定那你們怎麼弄我們根據他確定的就是他們確定的不會確定的我們根據那個數字來所以主計處你現在那個600多億你說未定你們現在要怎麼談你還沒有ideaI have no idea |
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就是說因為這個不確定涉及到行政跟立法的這個部分所以變成他沒有辦法透過行政部門這一邊獨立去解決這個問題所以這個變成說可能就必須有看是不是透過進一步的協商還是什麼就必須行政立法再度的來處理這個問題好 了解好 那你們兩個請回吧部長 瑪莉亞 |
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書人好今天要講的這個題目事實上也不是你任上花生的啦這是去年甚至前年的事情那你是一個政務官嘛那你講白一點你拍拍屁股就可以走人啦對不對所以受苦受難的是我們勞動部這些事務官公務人員我覺得他們是很辛苦的他們的士氣蠻低迷的 |
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那你大家又有人搶 你有在搶嗎 我不知道啦搶那個公園是我們部裡面最重要的資產 |
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沒有 公務人員是我們的資產 國家的財產我們都要疼惜啦這個是不管藍執政 不管綠執政這些公務人員他們都是要幹到退休的那我是一直覺得我們公務人員好不容易拆車拆到要死然後課高考 課特考 課薪水那麼低來這邊天天被罵 我是覺得那是我不太想幹啦 |
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真的真的所以我們要跟他們加油啦跟他們打氣那因為以前真的是有點脫序那現在你來就更嚴格所以一磚一瓦都管得那麼嚴我是覺得有時候也要檢討啦也是要幫他練的啦一陣緊一陣鬆另外也是一樣啦所以我建議就是好好的來 |
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檢討檢討啦我看你從上任到現在都非常戰爭津津啊我有問你好幾次啊你說你都用那個聖上仙術在維持我不曉得真的還假的 |
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好我問一個我們現在救援基金現在是現在有多少錢現在目前有400多億那這一次這個美國川普這樣亂搞那我們已經很多有中部的一些譬如說紡織的或者是做螺絲的他們已經被美國的客戶已經通知說先不要出貨三個月 |
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我現在問說要不要出路三個,大家就不理我不慷慨了嘛馬上出問題啊 |
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那換無薪假也罷 領半薪也罷你們現在是打算怎麼去幫助這些勞工 這個最實際喔跟蘇緯說明喔 確實在這個禮拜裡面陸陸續續其實聽到一些來自包括美國的進口商跟我們台灣的製造商或出口商開始有一些在討論訂單上面的變動的狀況 這是有的 |
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那當然下一步會看這一些台灣的廠商他有些他可能會調動他的產線有些他可能會做他自己內部上面相關排班的調整可是我要說的是說我們是很不希望是走到比方說會是解雇的這個狀況或者是大量解雇那我們當然也會我們會在相關的機制上面做一些把關我們也不希望企業來濫用像這個減班休息的做法 |
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俗稱減班休息有人會俗稱無薪假可是他並不是真的無薪因為台灣的減班休息其實都是要還是要給最低工資的那是要給最低工資但是如果最低工資這一段你們有沒有補沒有 |
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如果有準備休息的狀況的話我們其實有相對應包括像充電才出發或者是有一些包括像雇用安定的措施來可能可以來去協助這個勞工他在收入上面的做法我們其實過去是有包括疫情的時候金融海嘯的時候是有這樣的經驗那我們也把過去的這些措施這些措施都還在 |
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但我們也在規劃一個更針對目前關稅因應關稅的版本來去更清楚的因地制宜或者是來去設定現有的情境下面怎麼樣包括它的適用範圍甚至會不會在某些部分需要支持力度的加碼其實我們都在目前在做一個這樣子量身訂做的設定 |
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好 那我們百姓 共和國一般民眾的情感每次都在問你這次要怎麼退回來我是認為 像這個是 |
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再出發的這個是乍臨的 再下一張你要去追這些錢回來勢必要有有憑有據嘛你不能說你部長想說要跟人家賺錢 你是平常要跟人家賺錢所以一定要 換你判斷說他有安若端有福利或是說有總保私囊這個一定要判決你才能辦法去要嘛 對不對 部長是不是這樣我們如果要跟個人 |
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包括甚至包括決策者要去做相關的追究或追討的話當然要有法律上面的依據他如果沒有把錢放在自己的口袋裡面你會說他是圖利啊怎麼樣不然的話你要去最後要去把他追錢窩香沒有那麼簡單耶所以就是看說還是要看有沒有法律上面的依據如果有這個法律上的依據的話那當然該怎麼做就要怎麼做啊 |
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可是前提是所以這是為什麼我們說我們會來配合檢調或司法的結果來做相關的追究 |
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像陳基普講的說要等到他判刑現在都起訴嘛起訴之後一審、二審、三審要不然到底判定沒有兩三年搞不定啦就我們目前看到檢調的起訴書上面的內容的話如果剛才蘇緣講的是謝前分署長的狀況的話看起來他在檢調寫的上面他已經把他不罰所得其實已經有返還了 |
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好像有一百萬拿多少就繳出去應該不是這個數字兩萬多塊 |
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所以那個前部長 前前部長跟鋁派界定我看他只有唱歌而已啊我看他沒有幹瑕事啊所以那個要怎麼去追尋我是覺得大家情感歸情感啦不然還是要回歸講道理跟回歸法治面啦所以法務部 那個那個 審計部叫你要從邊或者怎麼樣這個也都可以理解啦 |
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不過汪洋普勞你往後的要更嚴格我認為你是不會你是很嚴的像現在這種脫序的行為我是當然是不對啦所以我再次的跟我們勞動部我們公務員加油然後要請部長 |
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我會很謝謝我們公務的同仁因為他們是最辛苦的謝謝好 謝謝蘇青委員的發言謝謝部長的答案 |