| IVOD_ID |
15996 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15996 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第17次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第17次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-11T08:30:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-11T17:07:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:36:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609ec1b0e8244e7dfb3ad9f551ce5fa921f19186e52af1244320ad3ee65eb07271a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第17次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。
二、6月7日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、6月11日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:15 - 17:07:00 |
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法定人數不足 |
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法定人數不足 |
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委員會主席 |
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法定人數不足 |
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有測試切換嗎 |
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二、三、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、47、48、49、50、51、52、52、53、54、55、56、56、57、58、59、59、59、60、60、61、61、62、62、62、63、63、64、65、67、67、68、67、68、68、79、80、80、90、91、92、92、93、93、93、94、94、95、95、96、96、97、97、97、98、98、98、98、98、98、98、98、99、99、99、99、99、99、99、 |
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法定人數不足 |
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主席主席 |
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議員議員議員 |
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誒,我已經快達成了,然後,好,那就請我聯絡半天。謝謝你,拜拜。 |
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主席響鐘 |
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王健兵,謝謝。 |
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謝謝您喔,不好意思,拜拜。 |
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您好,您是周先生嗎? |
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您好,您是周先生嗎? |
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法定人數不足 |
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748.131 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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報告委員會現在對行政院院長施政方針報告繼續質詢。現在請陳委員秀寶質詢。 |
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謝主席請卓院長以及交通部理部長請卓院長備詢交通部理部長陳委員好 |
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1866.118 |
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前美軍駐伊拉克政治顧問也是前北約駐阿富汗國際安全部隊的顧問 今天會訪台。 |
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1882.45 |
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謝謝陳委員 |
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1921.732 |
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﹗ |
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1922.156 |
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1947.461 |
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所有民主夥伴國家能夠像重視台灣的科技發展一樣也重視台灣安全跟其他的這個防衛的問題所以任何是正面的善意的友善的這個對台灣提出任何的建議我覺得我們用開放的態度但是終結的目的只有一個我們反對武力反對暴力我們堅持用和平的方式來促進印太地區的穩定跟發展 |
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1948.244 |
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1963.38 |
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謝謝院長表達您的看法,其實兩岸維持一段很長時間的這樣子一個巧妙的平衡,那如果劃平衡為合作,將惡性循環能夠轉為良性的擴散,我想也是大家需要去努力的,謝謝院長。接下來回到秀寶的質詢為地方發聲。 |
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1966.463 |
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1982.76 |
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其實我相信本席跟民眾都非常期待新的團隊上任之後,行政院能夠推動更多的福國利民的政策,而且希望對過往的重要的建設延續能夠持續積極的辦理。那本席選區的美港公路高架化。 |
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1989.963 |
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2004.719 |
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就是需要院長及部長的支持並大力推動的這個重要的地方建設。原本美港公路的高價化可景性評估期末報告是預計在110年的9月就要提出,後來一直拖延到今年的3月才提出。 |
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2005.259 |
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2024.657 |
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那後續的綜合規劃的部分預計在今年底以及明年中會提出期中跟期末的報告那院長這邊我代替我們的鄉親來請求我們院長跟部長這邊有沒有辦法加緊這個腳步能夠盡快的來協助比如說今年底是不是就可以直接提出綜合規劃的期末報告保持請延宕了這個兩年半的時間趕下進度 |
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2028.007 |
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2048.067 |
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謝謝委員,長期委員對地方的關心,我想地方的人民都非常的清楚了解,那我們也是,我直接在行政院看到委員相當多的在地方建設上的提議都非常的寶貴。那針對這一件就是61線,台61線西濱快速道路連接國三的這個和美交流道這個路線。 |
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2048.948 |
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2075.298 |
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我知道在今年的3月他已經核定了可行性的評估那細節怎麼進行我想部長來答覆但是我主要就是希望未來能夠加速審議加速推動謝謝院長那請部長您是跟委員報告這一條快速道路確實是有非常重要的價值因為它可以紓解車流讓國一、國三跟西京可以來其實對整個彰化西南沿海鄉鎮的交通幫助都會很大 |
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2076.778 |
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2104.165 |
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對,我想現在大概最大的關鍵是環評因為這個是一個新的快速道路所以原則上是要做二階環評那一般二階環評他至少要有一年四季相關的環境的基本資料的調查所以通常二階環評會持續需要的時間大概兩到三年那我們會來跟環境部再溝通看怎麼樣因為他就是一個大概6.5公里的一個快速道路 |
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這個就請部長您這邊來協助,是不是盡快可以在其中可以比較縮短的一些時程期程,盡量的來,因為之前已經延宕了很久了。而且這邊要跟院長及部長來請求,就是美港公路的這個預算,它的經費比較高,是高達167億。 |
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2123.74 |
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2153.379 |
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那後續預算的編列是不是可以優先編列我們提早來做這個準備因為一次編列這樣的預算我不知道說院方跟部裡面是不是可以就這樣子質疑那是不是應該提早來做準備我想只要中規順利通過那麼相關的公建計畫就會開始逐年編列預算那如果可以提早辦理用地那就可以分散那個編列的壓力院長跟部長應該知道說其實這條美港公路高架劃分已經追了5年 |
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2153.739 |
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教育部 |
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| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
拜部長請備詢請鄭部長 |
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2212.719 |
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接下來在這個議題在上一屆的總質詢以及新任部長上任之後的委員會詢答秀寶都有請教過那請我們部長院長一起先看一下這個相片這個是本期選區學校活動中心的現況關於活動中心的修繕的這個問題本期已經追了很久那院長跟部長看到這個建築物的狀況會認為這是有足夠的安全可以提供給孩子使用的場地嗎 |
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2213.619 |
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其實委員會詢答的時候我也請教過部長部長說現在教育部已經有盤點全國的活動中心需要修繕的清單總計大概有1800多件那我想請教一下部長說初估的經費大概多少您有沒有先估算過 |
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跟委員報告,這個改善我們中小學的這些老舊教室整建,我想那是我們既定的一個政策。那我們現在不僅是前面在盤點,以108年到112年,我們事實上整個教育部在國教署投入了這一個64億。 |
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﹚議員 |
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2287.121 |
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學校的活動中心這個秀山經費本身已經爭取到有點氣餒,更何況是學校。這樣子破損的一個建築還能等多久?它只會越等越破,我們要讓孩子還要等多久?過去我們興建禮壇活動中心是為了讓孩子在天候不佳的時候有一個場地可以使用。 |
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下一張是本席選區 |
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針對活動中心補充器材及修繕活動中心送案的清單,這不是全部喔,很多學校都已經送案送都不想送了,因為他們的心聲就是反正我送的就是石塵大海,也不會有什麼結果。那在本席的選區文開國小呢,外牆修繕的部分經費就高達2200萬,這個在地方政府是沒有辦法負擔,一定要中央的來協助。所以本席在這邊呢要見請院長您能比照PU跑道以及廁所修繕的方式呢,來設置活動中心修繕的專案經費。 |
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因為經費比較龐大,那我們專案執行年限可以拉長,我們可以定個三年或五年計畫。那至少讓學校、讓家長、讓孩子、讓老師覺得說我們有機會可以爭取到經費,讓我們這樣子老舊的一些場館可以得到改善。所以希望說我今天在總質詢之後呢,我們院長跟部長是你們在一個月之內可以來研議說, |
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好,非常感謝委員我認為無論是PU跑道 |
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清楚的了解那麼剛委員所講的這樣的內容如果針對施政的安全我們作為優先的考量那應該急速的做一個處置了解之後馬上給委員一個很清楚的答覆謝謝院長謝謝部長也希望說你們繼續來研議就是設置專案的可行性因為這個不能再等越等這些建築是越破舊那我們孩子不能在這樣的環境之中來學習來活動謝謝那接下來我要請我們經濟部郭部長 |
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經濟部國部長請備詢。部長好,接下來秀寶要為我們彰化縣的中小企業發聲。院長您知不知道目前彰化縣的中小企業大概有多少家? |
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三劃線的中小企業大概有1萬2千多家,其中員工人數10人以下的占企業的比例大概是53%,但是很多中小企業跟本席反映他們感受不到政府的重視。臺灣的經濟很多是靠中小企業來支撐,但是他們的企業主感覺說政府對他們是很忽視的,讓他們也產生了相對的剝奪感。 |
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院長您的口頭報告裡面也有說會提到積極的推動中小企業以及傳產的轉型但是中小企業的新生卻一直都沒有傳到中央的耳朵那其中跟中小企業最相關的這個工商普查部長您知道工商普查多久普查一次大概普查什麼項目嗎? |
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公倉普查其實目的是為了輔助政府規劃經濟建設以及業者他們在推廣業務的時候的參與但是中小企業就直指說其實公倉普查查不出來中小企業現在面臨的經營困境跟危機只是一種形式那過去我們在產業對談這樣子的服務當中協助當中有多少是真正顧及到中小企業這個本席也覺得很保留 |
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但是對於提供中小企業的協助如果說一時我們沒有這麼多的人力來了解跟協助中小企業本期希望說在我們現有的這個工商普查的基準之下我們來優化程序是不是透過工商普查這個填單的調查對談意願然後呢我們實際上與中小企業來對談院長你覺得呢 |
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我們不僅對中小企業我們對中小微企業都應該全力的來了解他的困難因為國家不可能只在照顧到高科技的產業中小微企業尤其中小企業又是台灣經濟的主幹人數最多 |
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臨時提案委員 |
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方式做全面的檢討讓他能夠呈現出真實的政府應該面對的問題謝謝院長您對中小企業及微企業的肯定也願意來支持本期希望說新政府也可以將中小企業的需求放在心上其實每個行業別中生產的品香跟製程 |
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可以說差之好理、失之千里。但我們通常都會用同一種規範、同一種法規來規範不同看起來很像的產業。所以很多中小企業的親身是說你們用同一種法規規範不一樣的製程其實對他們講是很不公平的。所以我才會要求說你們必須要去了解中小企業必須與之對談。還有除此之外本期接受到最多的反應就是中小企業他們買不到綠點。 |
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這是一個非常詭異的現象,我們本席所在的彰化縣是再生能源發電的大縣。彰化縣是綠電大縣,但是我們彰化縣的中小企業卻買不到綠電。我們有2050年淨零碳排的目標,我們以2025年要開增碳稅,2026年歐盟將收碳邊境稅,而我們彰化縣的第三之一期的離岸風電在2027年會併網。 |
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張華信在綠電的發展跟設置上其實舉足輕重,但是我們的中小企業卻買不到綠電而面臨經營危機,請問這個問題經濟部你們有注意到嗎?這一部分我們有注意到,我們現在已經啟動所有的普查,那麼我們會把這些綠電的部分呢,把它撥出來,那麼讓這個中小企業它有需要的可以買得到。 |
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謝謝部長你們也有注意到我中小企業就是說我們其實彰化縣的中小企業的這個產品的外銷比例是很高的那目前國際貿易商針對產品是有要求要一定比例用乾淨能源那目前呢他們要跟綠電公司買電其實有很高的這個信用的平等喔那回到一開始本期所講的其實彰化縣的企業中小企業有12000多家那其中10人以下的企業佔53% |
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所以這個高信用平等的門檻對中小企業來講是非常難達到的。 所以綠電根本是看得到買不到這樣的抱怨在我們地方是甚小程上。 所以本席希望說經濟部必須重視地方的聲音。 這些建設這些不方便都在我們彰化縣但是最基本的回饋的額度如果我們還是要不到的話對彰化縣的中小企業是非常不公平。 |
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那檢探式這個國際趨勢也會變成企業的這個基本生存力所以說我們希望在發展半導體跟AI這個時候也一定要兼顧在地中小企業的需求那經濟部現在已經有方案如何來協助這些中小企業了嗎?你們已經有正式的去調查過吧?報告委員我們現在這個計畫已經提出來準備要跟環境部討論這個攤費的問題那還要多久? |
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希望做得更盡快,讓我們再一個 |
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謝謝陳委員下一位我們請各位委員如均質詢 |
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好,謝謝主席。有請行政院卓榮泰院長。請卓院長備詢。各位好。院長好,初次和您見面。首先我要單獨請您看一段影片。大概一分鐘,暫時先請其他閣員不要就備詢台。 |
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我想院長你可以看到這一支AI人型機器人Humanoid它有23到43個關節模組不只肢體靈活高難度的動作也難不倒他還可以做精細的動作甚至會使用工具如果有一台的話您今天這個休息慶功就可以讓他幫你開飲料了 |
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科技的進步 |
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會改變人類的生活這是嘆為觀止我曾經喝過機器人泡的咖啡很好 機器人泡的咖啡只是手而已這是整個模擬人形的人形機器人完全不同我想要告訴院長現在這隻人形機器人在網路平台就可以買得到每一隻售價45萬台幣 |
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您看到的泡咖啡沒有辦法走路沒有辦法跑步這一次是秒數兩公尺未來隨著大量生產價格還可能更低您認為這個產品未來有沒有機會在台灣甚至全球普及我現在也到我們的飯店看到很多機器人在送餐引路但還沒有做到人形我覺得它會一步一步的進化到進步到這樣的程度好有機會普及嗎在台灣在全球 |
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如果過去我們在電影中看到的都會實現的話,我覺得這個在相當的時日應該是跟人類可以生活在一起。非常好,關於影片最後還有一個問題讓您猜猜看,這一支AI人型機器人的產地是哪裡?產地喔?對不起,這個委員請委員明示。好,很好喔。院長不願意猜猜嗎?再給您一次機會。 |
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那猜就是那些科技的大國科技大國好啦院長好奇心是人類進步的動力啦沒想到您對於科技的進步不願意感覺猜一猜這樣的政府我覺得能夠引領科技的進步我覺得有點危險但您也算猜對一半但您也許不願意承認這一支AI人型機器人 |
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⋯⋯⋯ |
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甚至現在今天就已經可以從網路商店購買大概3到5年以後可能從工廠到家庭都可以看到他的身影一個機器人做各種的協助AI的下一步就是人型機器人人型機器人包含內部的AI晶片、視覺語言系統以及行動技術是AI落地的實體應用 |
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我們看到這樣子的一個未來還會突飛猛進。特斯拉的執行長馬斯克今年4月宣布8月8日要推出RoboTaxi。到時候院長可能在路邊攔車攔到的可能都是機器人開的計程車。灰達的執行長也在前幾天的大會發表演說的時候邀請一打機器人在台上助陣當然是用影像的方式。我們現在擁有創建人型機器人所需的所有技術。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
根據機器人聯盟IFR的數據,其中73%會安裝在亞太地區,2023年到2028年的複合年增長率50%,目前還剛起步。講了這麼多,回過頭來看看臺灣,想請教一下院長,我國目前進行AI人型機器人研發的組織單位,請問是哪一個部會? |
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| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
報告委員,我們目前國科會在資助全國的學院單位的確是有發展人型機器人的這樣的計畫。我問的是政府部會有哪一個部會主責研發?國科會。國科會有沒有機器人研發的相關計畫?不要講大專院校喔,我們國科會還有很多的中心喔。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
國科會的呃好沒有關係謝謝啊我直接告訴院長我們問過一輪的答案是沒有主管科技發展的國科會直接告訴我們目前沒有針對AI人型機器人的特動特推動特定的專案一切全憑各大學自主研究 |
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| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
兄弟登山自行努力,我還不死心上網找找看,看看其他部位有沒有進行相關的研究,好不容易找到經濟部工研院有一個小小的在做機器人可拆式關節模組的研究,想要在此很沉重的來問一下院長。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3151.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
難道臺灣已經直接放棄AI人型機器人的研發了嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
3151.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3164.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
主導臺灣科研的國科會﹐無論是在AI行動2.0計畫裡﹐或者在精創計畫裡﹐居然都沒有提到有關人型機器人的半個字。 國科會主委要不要確認這件事情? |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
3164.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3166.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
是不是沒有提到? |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
3166.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3168.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
我們現在在這裡要講話要很明確喔! |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
3168.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3170.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
相關文件在上網找得到喔! |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
3170.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3171.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
有沒有提到? |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
3171.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3175.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
你只要提有或沒有就好! |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
3175.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3176.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
有沒有在文件裡提到? |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
3178.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3202.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
我可以告訴你就是沒有,院長請說明,我們是不是要放棄了?機器人的研究、研發當然是有,但是或許在名聲上沒有把它冠上人形兩個字,但是它的內容、它的研發方向應該絕對是有的。所以車子兩輪也是車啦,好沒有關係,相對於台灣對AI發展真的是雜亂無章一板散沙啦。我們最喜歡的經濟學人指出中國大陸 |
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| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
3219.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
預測到未來勞動力缺乏的問題因此正在力爭成為機器人以及人型機器人的超級大國我們現在路上跑的車子很多都是進口車大家手機裡下載的遊戲app都是國外的遊戲大家可能習以為常但是很快的 |
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3219.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
3241.551 |
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三到五年內很可能在路上走的家家戶戶用的都是網路上買來的由您剛剛所提到的科技大國所製造的人型機器人甚至有可能他們裡面所採用的語言模型是Chat CPT我們一直在講開放語料但是沒有人給我們回應到時候台灣要如何抵禦中國大陸的科技統戰、文化統戰 |
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最近人稱AI教父的NVIDIA創始人黃恩勳來臺,緊急來臺,和許多業界人士揮舞一口氣和16%的GDP老闆,大吃大談未來AI產業的發展。但是不知道怎麼樣,到底是不是錯覺?我們的政府官員好像像神隱少女一樣, |
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在AI產業的交流裡完全缺席,別人邊吃邊抬,難道在座的官員都只有羨慕的份嗎?我想在此詢問卓院長以及在場所有的內閣官員,這一次黃仁勛先生訪台的過程當中,有沒有人受邀與他共餐,暢談政府AI政策規劃的? |
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3281.296 |
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有的可不可以舉手讓我們知道一下? |
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跟委員報告,產業界他們合作各種方式,政府跟產業界當然有接觸。我剛剛問的是有沒有人舉手啊?沒有人舉手啊?我們現場舉手沒有留下記錄,我們還是用口頭回答,比較誠意。看來,那有沒有10共餐嗎? |
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3299.571 |
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我們有見過面沒有共餐有沒有暢談政府AI我想啦看起來所謂AI內閣我們真的不希望是在政府內部裡樹枝高閣把AI樹枝高閣的一個地方扮演神隱造你的草人家沒有邀你們吃飯你們難道也沒有主動邀他嗎報告委員吃飯不重要我們是做事的那您有沒有跟黃文勳聊過國家科研發展AI科研發展 |
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剛剛還想說你沒有舉手,我就不要點你了,有嗎?我們跟NVIDIA跟AMD都有詳情。 王仁勳來跟,沒有關係,我不管了,政府AI政策多頭馬車一團閃殺。 |
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3365.844 |
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真的是要導致我國AI產業的發展,連基本的戰略方針都沒有。我之前已經攏圖過很多,我們待會還有例子。國會主委兼任政委,擔任國家AI推動小組的召集人,上任至今一個月,有沒有召開會議。今天是卓內閣上任第22天。根據行政院智慧國家推動小組的設置要點,我們行政院智慧國家推動小組的理由,理應由行政院副院長擔任總召集人。 |
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但是,行政院的官網上,我們現在小組的召集人竟然還掛著鄭文燦前院長的名字。 院長您可以看頭影片,這真的,你可以不用看我,因為這真的是有點太誇張了。 真的是不知道是不是時光被燈結了。 鄭前院長現在是海基會的董事長,我們難道要期待他作為海基會的董事長來和對岸人工智慧的合作推動智慧國家小組嗎? |
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謝謝委員提醒,我們立即跟委員抱歉。很好,沒有不用道歉,我們要的不是道歉,我們要的是Active and Innovative,要主動積極創新啊。我們看到黃仁興先生有說,吸氣人會像未來汽車一樣的普及。假設過去政府沒有注意到,我今天在這裡是來提醒院長以及相關的閣員,跨部會要有高度,真的要有前瞻性的思維。 |
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趕緊整合各部位針對AI人型機器人調整相關計劃方案﹐包含軟體、硬體當然也包含晶片、視覺系統等等﹐以此為基礎才能夠破壞臺灣的AI戰略總體方針好不好﹐那最近兩週也不只是NVIDIA我們的護國神山台積電在6月5號董事會當中通過了一個決議要投資最多40億台幣長期研究半導體教學及人才培育 |
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逐漸產業對於人才短缺的遊戲已經到了不得不自己跳下來自救的程度。 院長,產業已經跳下來自救了,我們政府相應的,人家搭飛機來台灣了,我們這個台積電也要投錢了,我們政府相應的措施是什麼? |
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3475.256 |
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我幫您先列三種可能,第一個錦上添花,產業查錢我們跟著查。 第二個米平落差,針對產業沒有投入的面向,政府盤點資源輔助弱勢。 第三個, |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
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3490.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
政府覺得已經很完美了兩手一攤躺平看戲請問院長是哪一種各位委員報告我們應該還要有戰略地位的考量因為我們看到Computex這樣的國際的大廠都來到台灣造成一股熱潮 |
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現在已經有新的行動、新的作為。我們不是active、Innovative嗎?請問我們要有新的動作,我們就應該要有新的行動來因應。為什麼台積電忍不住跳進來? |
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因為全球AI人才大大的缺乏而且還發生一個狀況紐約時報這個我真的是要跟院長分享紐約時報3月說全球頂尖AI研究人員已經有近半數出自中國遠高於美國的18%三年前中國人才只佔三分之一三年後已經成長到五成 |
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3533.163 |
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中國大陸顯然成為以AI人才的最大搖籃。 那我們的AI人才要從哪裡來看呢? |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
3548.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
我們來看上週我質詢國共會務組委備詢的時候,他說AI需求永無止境,人類缺口永遠無法滿足,只能盡力做。 還強調事實就是如此。 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
3554.173 |
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3556.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
難道這就是我們行政院的態度嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
3556.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
3575.856 |
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如果是的話政府真的可以洗洗睡了。 我直接幫您整理好資料了。 AI行動計畫2.0說每年可以培育600個AI研究人才、8000個AI應用人才、3500名這個相關的人才、AI自動領域500名。 每年可能可以新增一萬兩千名。 但是我們人力行業者1月說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
臨時提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
相較於臺灣外流的勞動人口為不足道我直接念幾個數字來看這是300位企業家共同做的2024臺灣人才白皮書臺灣一年1.2萬人赴日工作10年暴增8倍美國我們光是臺灣籍過去的技術人才簽證的數量超過3000人世界排名第7我們真的要成為粗糙大國我們再來看英國牛津經濟學公司用數學模型推估 |
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臺灣是最嚴重的全球人才荒人才次數負1.5%根本沒有辦法吸引高階的人才過來半導體AI產業包含我們剛剛講的人型機器人對外人才需有恐懼我們挖角卻受限於金卡的條件僵化我們想問院長除了就業金卡以外我們還有沒有研議其他的方式網羅成為入超大國新增甚至所謂的AI就業銀卡的機制擴大對外攬財 |
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謝謝委員我們看到世界各國對台灣的科技地位如此的重視我們當然知道人才的培育是一個非常重要的一節也謝謝委員剛剛提醒的那些個部會但是我認為在每個部會都要自己去培訓很多的AI人才而不僅是靠學校 |
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院長您的高度是絕對重要的請您帶頭除了擴大攬財以外您剛剛也已經承諾了我們要努力那你也要努力政府要帶頭美國4月的時候宣布所有聯邦政府機關都要聘用一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
3710.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
首席AI專家負責監督AI的使用性目標預計在今年夏天以前招聘100名相關人才每位人才年薪突破450萬台幣請問院長我們的行政院目前有沒有類似的規劃由政府機關帶頭聘用AI人才 |
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各位委員報告,包括我們的國科會、速發部、經濟部,他們常常在... 行政院長有沒有帶頭... 我都跟他們一起談論過,他們在交談的過程當中... 有沒有要政府機構四射,運用AI人才? |
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有。 有嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
3728.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
有沒有預計多少人數? |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
3728.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
3730.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
何時完成招募案聘任? |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
3730.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
3732.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
你覺得你有想聘就聘得到嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
3733.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
3762.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
當然要經過很多的努力好拜託院長努力這一點真的非常重要臺積電大規模要投入人才的培育產業跳進來自救就是一大警訊接下來當然我們有好消息徽達超維都要在臺灣設置研發中心人才需求只會多不會少我們現在內部供應已經不足我們還要向外攬財中央的人才政策一定要做好準備再來我們不僅缺人才院長您記得2023年臺灣的代表制第一名是什麼嗎 |
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我剛剛其實已經洩題了我現在告訴您答案就是缺啦缺水缺電缺雞蛋缺藥而且還缺什麼缺土地缺供水缺供電缺人才缺勞動力 |
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行政院的政策如果好好落實應該要滿足產業的需求但是我們卻面臨了五缺啦過去我們受惠於China plus one我們有機會得到了很多的紅利成為世界科技中心但是現在勿換心意全球都在喊台灣 plus one要尋找下一個取代台灣的地點 |
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臺積電在日本、美國、德國設廠就是很明顯的案例,對政府來講跟牛臺灣說的容易,但五缺問題沒有解決的話,這恐怕非常非常危險。 市調機構,給您看數字,這個數字真的很重要,Chain Force2023年年底的報告, |
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相關的半導體廠商尤其先進製程的產能占比將從2023年的29%成長到33%同期未來臺灣成熟製程的占比會從49%下降到42%另外接下來美國為首很可能會從2023到2027年從12%成長到17%本席真的非常擔心 |
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未來會不會從現在的Taiwan plus one變成everyone minus Taiwan以前的China plus one我們賺到了結果呢現在Taiwan plus one執政黨不僅讓大家缺水缺電甚至國防部還亂發飛彈簡訊製造恐慌我們還看中華經濟研究院的朝天旺董事長陳信宏副院長投書我們應該由行政院領頭形成某國plus Taiwan |
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我真的希望院長今天之後緊急思考讓台灣plusone翻轉成everyone plus Taiwan不要讓台灣被取代我們剛講那麼長我其實要問您一個具體的問題黃仁勳說台灣是世界的支柱我相信您認同這一點但是黃仁勳同時也說了缺這個字他說台灣電力的局限會是一個挑戰請問您認同嗎 |
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剛剛委員有說過一句話說執政黨造成臺灣的缺水缺電,我剛認一下,執政黨努力不造成臺灣的缺水缺電。我現在是說我們未來嘛,active innovative我們往前看嘛,他就說缺嘛。當然知道電力穩定。你認同臺灣電力的局限是個挑戰嗎? |
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3911.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
短短幾個字倒進產業新生 |
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再來我們看美國商會我們最重視盟友的想法6月6號發佈2024年臺灣白皮書強調臺灣官方應保持穩定電價同時也表示商會成員關心穩定能源供應有7成成員在調查中表達對綠色能源供應的擔憂我們可以看下一個這是我們政府部會 |
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的這個相關態度的反覆﹖我就不多說了﹖以和養綠﹖非核家園﹖以和養綠﹖非核家園﹖以和養綠﹖非核家園﹖反反覆覆短短一個月左右的時間﹖非核家園的神主牌拿起來放下去﹖拿起來放下去﹖我表演一下﹖拿起來放下去﹖拿起來放下去﹖搞得民眾和產業物理看法﹖我在這裡再問一次院長﹖ |
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產業界大聲疾呼,民進黨好朋友童子賢,民進黨大老許信良,許多的閣員看似都比您理性物質。您還是圖牌綜藝堅守,核電不研議的非核家園省主牌的立場嗎?在您回答以前,我先提醒您,本席也是立法院臺美國會聯誼會的副會長。 |
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政府對於產業界所有的擔心我們一定會重視這是最大的原則所以穩定供電是政府對人民跟產業的責任我們也一定要達到但是非核家園它不是神主牌 |
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他是我們現在依照環境基本法裡面依法要朝向的目標沒有關係 院長我今天問您一個問題啦我當時問這個這個國會主委啦經濟部啦 和安會啦有沒有要把非核家園省主牌接過去我今天問您相同的問題您願不願意接受非核家園的省主牌你把它定義為省主牌的話無人可以接受得起他只是我們現在依照環境基本法所定定的非核家園目標 |
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我quote您講的話您說非核家園是您的價值還說如果失去價值生命會失去意義這裡神主牌還嚴重啊你如果沒有拿過去你很可能就沒有生命啦我們是要拯救你啊接手非核家園啊既然一直要到大方接受下來要不要接受委員你也有信仰也有價值但這絕對不是一個神主牌要掛在牆壁上的不是是放在心上的 |
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這是委員的自由如果拒絕接下來我想您的非核家園是口號喊喊而已我們所有的美國盟友都看得到每年AI需要的能源增加3%我們核電廠7月1號機停機少3%明年2號機停機再少3%一來一往補足的電力不只是核電廠的6.2% |
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很可能我們要增加用費發電火力發電的比例讓我們的健康受到長期的影響這一次內閣有很多的亮點是來自於產業我們真的誠懇呼籲行政院能源政策要中立務實客觀不要被意識形態綁架不要擔心被非核家園的支持者討厭就不敢改變不要打中臉充棒子最後造成政府產業和民眾三輸的局面 |
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三場的問題我們有新的電廠可以接的上來這個經濟部郭部長已經算的很清楚我待會會有數據告訴您啦別多都在怎麼做人家微軟已經開始在購買核電囉已經在購買核電囉我們待會會聊這個部分雖然說科學本於事實但是有時候事實難以判斷一樣會造成三輸的局面接下來要請問一下院長看看螢幕上顯示的這幾張圖片 |
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請問院長,哪一封是真正的臺水公司吹角簡訊,分辨得出來嗎? |
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繳錯了院長官邸可能會被斷水斷電喔。 |
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哪一個是真的?我知道委員想提的就是詐騙的行為這個我們深惡痛絕我們跟我一樣的重視這是臺水公司喔這幾個月來我速度接問民眾陳情收到假冒的國營事業臺水臺電的吹角簡訊這裡面有一半是假的不疑有他刷卡以後發現受到詐騙政府一再強調電子簽商法施行以後刊登相關的廣告數位簽章可以有效的減少 |
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報告委員我們支持您的看法。 |
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是很好非常非常重要因為依據資通安全管理法臺水臺電關於是屬於關鍵基礎設施必須要向經濟部提出資通安全維護的計畫假如發生資安事件要依法通報再問國部長我先回覆您我也支持您關於核電的很多看法但是再問國部長近半年臺水臺電是否曾經發生過資安事件是幾級的資安事件 |
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我是沒有收到這個報告好,速發部的黃部長我們能不能回應一下近半年來速發部因為資安院在速發部嘛這個我已經提到資安很久了這個黃部長您可以回答一下近半年來速發部是否曾接獲台水及台電的資安通報我們報告委員我們現在一個月大概收到這是關鍵基礎設施喔我知道大概每個月收到大概100多件的台水跟台電 |
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關鍵基礎設施目前沒有這個資料目前沒有我幫您問好了這半年來臺電做過一次資安通報臺水的通報次數為零你們上網隨便搜尋一下臺水詐騙全部都是幾乎半個臺灣都被都收到了請問一下郭部長兩家國營事業是否有沒有確認客戶資料有沒有遭到外洩 |
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謝謝委員政府部門、國營事業甚至包括民間的產業事業都不應該 |
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我想要提醒院長,國內這還都只是舊方法 |
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接下來還有AI聲尾技術,5秒鐘講話就可以模仿你的聲音。美國歐盟都集中支援嚴防AI詐騙,我們現在上網一查,結果內政部、刑事警察局鼓勵民眾要建立通關密語,要發通關密語才能夠通話,不僅防詐的責任完全推給民眾,還要求民眾用落後的方式來防詐,彷彿推回漢朝,比對虎符一樣。 |
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院長,既然我們的AI戰略方針可能還不明確,但是我們國科會積極推動AI行動計畫3.0,您能不能承諾AI防詐可以列為AI政策的重要一環,科技的事用科技處理,漢朝的事我們把它放在歷史裡面,院長可以承諾嗎? |
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謝謝委員當然知道我們現在全力推動希望大院通過打詐釋法就是讓我們有先進的法律可以握在手上您回去看一下裡面有沒有用到科技有沒有用到AI這個沒有關係我們開放問題真的是提醒大家最後我想講一下虛擬世界也不是全然都洪水猛獸有一個產業正在被全世界擁抱卻唯獨被台灣當成洪水猛獸 |
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這個議題就是虛擬貨幣的ETF。今年1月10日美國證券交易委員會批准比特幣ETF交易。3月4日我上任以後馬上去質詢為什麼我們的金管會禁止 |
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我們的民眾通過互委託我們政府鼓勵的方式去購買比特幣的現貨ETF呢?5月22號我再就此一提詢問金管會彭主委我們當然很感謝彭主委有表示法人有機會先行開放程度雖未達預期但起碼表示政府對虛擬貨幣的態度不再保守僵化我想要請院長給我們一個勉勵好不好政府 |
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目前對於虛擬貨幣ETF的態度有沒有正由保守轉向開放?我們目前預估的期程何時可以開放富委託購買比特幣ETF? |
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這是一個新興的事業,新興的行業,那我們願意在安全更有保障的情況底下,能夠朝向跟國際接軌的方式做,但是注重安全,保障人民的安全,因為我始終主張AI的創新,也要民主AI的創新,保障人類的自主跟人格自治。我們已經問了半年了,有什麼理由還要再拖延6個月勒? |
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我想這個院長能不能責任金管會加速研議開放我們不要一直把安全安全掛在嘴巴上我們長期長期我們要加速我們每天睡覺AI都在變聰明全世界的競爭都在增加能不能加速研議開放法人以及一般民眾付委託購買國際上已經允許的比特幣現貨ETF滿足社會大眾對多元投資商品的期待可不可以 |
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報告委員,我們這部分已經在進行中。那時間希望可以加快,範圍希望可以增加,如果有教育民眾保障安全的需求,我們朝野一起來努力,可以嗎?謝謝委員。最後啦,我要用我最喜歡的電影,依依,來做總結。 |
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院長,不曉得你有沒有看過這部楊德昌導演最棒的電影之一。當中的主角,小男孩楊洋,他有一句名句,他說,我要去告訴別人他們不知道的事,給別人看他們看不到的東西。這正是我進入國會,擔任立法委員的原因。我希望利用每一次質詢的機會,告訴院長和所有的內閣官員,我們都沒有看見的事。 |
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我看見黃恩勳說的,未來數位經濟會是實體經濟的一百倍。我括他的原話,the economy in the Metaverse, the economy of Omniverse will be larger than the economy in the physical world. |
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Digital currency, Cryptocurrency could be used in the world of Metaverse. |
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我看見數位經濟即將爆炸性的成長。 我看見台灣是AI產業鏈的重要角色。 我感到驕傲。 但是同時我也看見台灣淪為詐騙手法的創新基地。 我對此感到羞愧。 |
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我看見臺灣對人型機器人研發的缺乳,對政府的無知感到驚訝。我也看到臺灣在非核神主牌與核電廠為政府的反覆拉扯感到難過,正在失去科技之島的地位和優勢。 |
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好,謝謝各位委員 |
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好,謝謝卓院長。下一位請黃委員建兵質詢。謝謝。 |
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那個主席,我們請我們行政院卓院長。好,請卓院長備詢。黃委員好。 |
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委員長早安,一定很抱歉,因為我上禮拜,參加了很多爆發戰的活動,有些感冒。 保重,委員保重。 想你們還沒清澈,也請多多包涵。 委員保重。那先跟院長來討論一下民生的一些議題,我們台東的一些民生的議題。因為院長兩週前,在台灣機場有出現一個怪象,有一個 |
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我知道最近社會對加熱煙的法制化合法化問題討論的很多 |
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非常坦白講齁,現在加熱煙應該是我們國人最常違規待回的產品。媒體報導光是去年海關就查獲一千三百多件,那總共沒收了九萬三千八百多條的這個加熱煙。這樣違規的情況不會是少數越來越多。那我想第一線的海關人員也有抱怨, |
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每次都查到,第二時間就要放賣嘛。 另外一個更大的問題是,整個倉庫都塞滿了這個加熱鹽。我想問一下衛福部長,部長加熱鹽目前到底算不算是違禁品?我們現在已經通過相關的法令,那現在這個要接受審查,所以現在都還沒有審查通過。 |
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委員長那個陰害防治法的修正案在去年修正通過一年了那規定家庭只要通過健康評估就可以上市對不對那我們目前是卡在據本席了解是卡在健康評估的這個階段嘛那具體的問題是這樣我不太清楚但是現況告訴我們一件事就是因為卡在這個關頭 |
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﹚議員 |
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﹚廣告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
請教一下院長 |
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一定有,我們今年可不可以給加熱菸的健康評估有一個結構,好壞給我們的民眾知道?報告委員,加熱菸的健康風險評估的審查還沒有完全的完成,那這個是程序當中,那衛部部剛剛已經聽到委員的意見,我想衛部會面對問題來處理。 要盡速啦,因為我們都修法通過一年的,評估一年的,因為趕快的讓結果讓大家知道這件事情,也不要讓這些事發生,我想這個對於各方都是一些好事的好不好。 |
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另外我想再請教一下這個,院長那個民進黨政府就喜歡用什麼,很喜歡用什麼立國做口號,觀光立國,體育立國,當然農業用以農立國這個本席也很支持,畢竟民以食為天嘛,農業也是所有產業的根本嘛。 |
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農業的生產 |
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不在數量的多寡,是國人需要、國家需要的命脈。 |
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糧食自給率的部分是30.69左右到30.7左右但是糧食自給率不等於糧食安全因為我們糧食自給率主要的糧食大概都會超過80%到90%那唯一低的是有關於畜牧部分的這些飼料玉米的部分自給率大概只有5%所以把整體的自給率往下拉 |
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部長你說,你的重點是,你當時說,你當時自己覺得要到多少?40%嘛對不對?沒有,40%是大概這20年來的歷任的政府,我們共同努力的一個目標。不要啦齁,不是部長,我們的目標是40%啦,那你覺得今年有沒有,還剩半年的時間,你覺得有沒有機會達到?我個人, |
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部長,我們台灣目前有七成的食物都是仰賴進口。 |
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兩時是戰略物資,所以如果我們真的做不到,我們要用移農立國這個口號我覺得是亂談。本市是台東的立委,農業也是我們台東最重要的經濟產業,我們台東有一個地名叫出路,本市現在為台東農業找出路,首先我們一個比較急迫的問題, |
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臺東出入剛好也有落農業就是有去過臺東都知道出入鮮乳非常有名那食藥署在6月5日預告修正鮮乳、飽酒乳、調味乳、飲品以及乳粉品名及標示規定的草案 |
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標保存期限30天以上可以標示為延長保存期限先入、長效先入、ESL先入, 預定在2022年7月1日生效。 莫定盧,你知不知道有件事? |
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部長。 |
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我非常了解因為我們當初在協助弱農做產品區隔的時候曾經討論過就是我們要讓我們國外的鮮乳跟國內的鮮乳做有一個市場的一個區隔所以向衛福部提出了一個長效乳的一個建議將他的一個保存期限超過30天以上的用另外一個名字去處理 |
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不想這個會重創本土的酪農業。本席為什麼講?你看這個新聞他也寫到,這個酪農協會理事長說,主要是那個先那個字啊,可能我們對先的解釋不同。先沒有這個七,在地最七嘛,對不對?你認識不是?對,我們那個有個那個酒品的廣告上來說,在地十八天最差嘛,對不對? |
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我跟委員說明以農業部的立場跟弱農一樣就是我們希望用長效乳而不是用長效鮮乳那這個部分衛福部只是預告那預告的時候還是會收集各方的意見那我們也積極跟衛福部再做一個溝通確實部長你是農業的大家長人家這樣吃我們的豆腐不要幫農民說話你看以ESL的例在紐澳地區ESL不會被視作鮮乳 |
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我們落農舉辦過的這個座談會,有專家學者落農都到場,也將產業的意見如實的傳達。 需要屬的修正依靠證明沒有聆聽產地的意見嗎? |
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這開始沒有討論就不是民主。 不然,也期待你可以替我們的農民說話。 接下來我想農業還有另外一個在發展上讓人家感嘆的就是因為農業現在變成牽稅團,只剩下老農在進行農業的活動。 |
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那雖然後面這幾年陸陸續續有青農的加入但是離農率不小那原因是為什麼因為有很多原因第一個可能是因為找不到好的農地那第二個是因為災損他沒辦法承擔有可能是因為他的養地成本太高導致他滿腔的熱血投入農業結果黯然的離開離農這問題很多啦那本席就先從花費成本最大的兩個面向來跟部長這邊來就教首先就是我們的肥料的費用 |
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以臺東最大宗的農產品來看,最可能採用的就是積分加工肥料就是我們的508,或者是這個積分添加50%以上的這個情緒分堆肥就是我們說的509嘛。 是。 |
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以農業部的立場就是我們推動相關的一個有機肥,因為有機肥不僅是可以養地,同時有機肥的施用也可以減少它的碳排的部分,所以這個部分未來在有機肥的這些補助的部分我想我們會持續。 |
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我認為既然有機肥廣泛的被使用之前生肌糞還是農民常用的一個方式吧對不對我跟委員說明因為生肌糞會造成一些環境的汙染但是生肌糞經過加熱處理以後它變成一個比較腐熟的部分的話我們會有一個協助的方式去推動這樣的一個作為部長本期為什麼我會這樣建議就是這個補助是一個誘因你如果誘因失去之後農民肯定會恢復使用生肌糞 |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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有可能會有人偷偷把自己的財富放下去使用,這樣會造成什麼?虎神作亂,糊塵,吃飯的時候都是糊塵,你這個地方要發展觀光,看到這個糊塵人就不要來了,這樣青龍不會喜歡使用這東西,那對整個農產品也會有負面的影響,我想離農率一定會再提升,所以我想要請教院長,因為是不是讓我們一個清楚的才是說,相關的肥料補助都應該持續來進行。 |
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我覺得我們都應該朝更現代進步科技化發展,所以我想肥料的問題如果有更好的方式提供給農民,而且在負擔上不會有所沉重的負擔,不要加重他們的負擔,那農業部應該全力去推動,也維護環境的衛生,也維護整個食品的更加的潔淨。謝謝院長的承諾,我代替農民給你感謝,感謝保證,其實保證要照顧我們的農業, |
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農產品增長後,除了農業發展除了長期缺乏勞動力的問題,這個可能未來我們會到委員會來討論,那最重要的農業最大的問題是什麼?運輸的成本。 |
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像我們這次蘇澳公路攤房,那最直接影響的就是花蓮跟台東的這些農業產品,像海鮮啊,因為它不能孤空嘛,那它也有批發上的時間限制嘛,就發生過整台貨車綁在火車上,一路貨車搭著火車到宜蘭,再開到台北。 |
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這一趟路要多兩三千塊的成本,那因為這個是天災的因素,所以我們有相關的專業科技來進行補助,可是平常時,平常時是沒有的。臺東農產品無論運送到什麼地方都是一筆費用,有些青農啊、小農啊、是創品牌啊,都利用網路來販售,不過市場都反映說你的價格有改善,有什麼改善?因為就卡到我們的運輸的成本了。 |
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所以本席要求農業部長是不是可以跟我們交通部長還有針對我們交通運輸不便的縣市像是花蓮、台東在農特產品的運輸上我們跟相關的業者來研議這個優惠的方案。 讓大家當我們的農產品不用再加這麼多運輸費的成本而是去競爭力。 部長這個是不是能做到? |
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謝謝委員的關心,那有關於運輸的備份的確是整個農產品重要的一個成本之一。那我們現在已經跟將近150家的農會,然後跟一個物流業者,就是OK的物流系統去做合作。只要任何的農民把他的產品送到合作的農會,然後這樣的物流的一個運輸費用可以降20%左右。所以用這種方式也可以讓他的物流的效率提高,第二個也可以把他的物流的費用降低。 |
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謝謝部長最後我們談到一個就是冷鏈技術我們農業部曾經有談到有一篇報導提到臺灣大學的那個農業系的這個吳俊達教授團隊合作研發冷鏈的這個技術把鳳梨釋迦從原本運輸10天左右的時間可以延長到一個月以上因為有了這個技術啊就能夠克服我們的長途的運輸嘛 |
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我們可以將鳳梨支架賣到中東賣到加拿大那目前這個技術運用的情況是怎麼樣?我們分兩個部分就是第一個部分就是氣條的這個冷氣條櫃他可以讓我們的鳳梨支架延長它的儲價收名跟運輸期那現在大概有6家的業者他利用這種技術去行銷到其他的國家那我們希望說持續的推廣這樣的一個技術 |
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我們持續推廣,部長這個冷鏈技術是好的對不對?那對臺東農業是不是會有幫助?對我們明明知道這個臺東需要這樣的冷鏈技術,農業部有沒有全心投入?沒有,不一定。行政院為了推動我們建設農蓄水產品全國冷鏈物流體系,總共投入的經費是126億,結果在農糧產品的冷鏈建設,農糧產品臺東的建設頂。 |
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徐產品的人間建設只有一個,就是我們新港漁會的加工設備,這個還是台東縣政府拿相對部署款起來一起完成的。徐產品的人間建設台東也沒有。 |
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之前我們台中縣政府成功的跟農會、海運、空調業者攜手開發這個冷鏈保存技術,讓10噸的鳳梨一路睡眠保鮮送到杜拜,獲得不錯的銷售成績。但是我們冷鏈技術最大的問題就是很貴。 |
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﹗ |
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反正我們整個計畫。 無論是中央增加補助各個農會的冷鏈設備或者是要設立新的大型冷鏈及加工或外流中心都可以讓我們現在目前兩岸看似前傾堪憂的情況之下提早做好準備。 未來我們的產品才可以下到更遠的地方。 這點我想請院長是不是能夠同意才是由農業部會同相關部會幫助台東增設 |
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或增加大型的這個冷鏈設備有趣。我是不是可以先跟委員稍微說明一下。第一個部分就是整個冷鏈第一期的計畫在今年度結束。那整個冷鏈大概分為旗艦區域跟農民團體的部分。那您剛才說的臺東縣政府本身因為區域冷鏈中心是由臺東縣政府提的。那我們會跟他積極的再做一個洽談。 |
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但是對於農民團體還有集貨廠的冷鏈的補助,我們還是持續,所以並沒有所謂那個委員所說的零。第二個部分就是我們也在積極的研提第二期的冷鏈計畫,那這個冷鏈計畫未來我想更會要普及到我們的農場端到集貨廠端,這個部分我想謝謝委員的一個關心。 |
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謝謝部長委員,一定這件事就答應了。謝謝委員。這個農民、農村、農會跟地方政府應該好好的整合地方到底需要些什麼樣對這個農事生產有幫助的設備。那地方政府如果財政真的是負擔不起,我們有一定的管道可以進行補助。剛剛提到說天災地變的運輸也有補助。我想這樣的設施的補助也是長年在做的。那我希望能夠把它用到實際 |
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接下來我想要討論關於這個交通觀光的問題。 |
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委員長,除了用什麼立國的口號以外,民進黨執政班也很喜歡用平權這個口號,強調婚姻平權、性別平權。 本席覺得這非常好,我馬該及其。 但是院長,交通甘屬要平權,交通需不需要平權? |
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院長就答應我需不需要就好。 交通需要安全。 |
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謝謝 |
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我們先跟部長談,部長因為我們之前在委員會有先聊過,那本期從2月上任至今,我們看到執政黨給臺東花東縣民的交通品權是什麼?我們先說0403花蓮大地震之後,我們花東的鐵公路中斷。我們住在北部的台東人,要到台東,他要被迫環島一圈,高鐵轉台鐵,然後再站5個小時回到台東。 |
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我們先不管他的成本運輸增加一路上還沒有位置做這個不過這個就是台鐵給我們最大的讓你開放讓你站票可以進去那我們講到天災無可厚非本席也接受但我給你看個影片 寶貞你 你看一下他要舒適幹嘛 舒適那邊交通不夠不方便 要回台鐵不方便他直接舒適 直接就會折返 |
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部長這個本席簡單的說明一下這個是4月22號本席監獲懲請當日2點已經知道河冷跟崇德段的火車中斷了不過我們台鐵繼續把票賣給要往台東的民眾 |
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那更可惡的是齁,你已經決定票賣給民眾之後,你花了30分鐘之後你才讓第一線人員知道說,逃選那邊沒辦法開。那怎麼辦?民眾無所失從,停了開了開了停,他們都不知道該怎麼辦。我們花東人民,把花東人民的安全推到最危險地點,包括整個台鐵的員工。 |
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那我想接下來還有上一週我們端午節連假的前一天御旅那個瑞穗的鐵路淹沒南橫的道路坍方我們花東人安全回家的路都遙遙無期這些都可以說是天災沒有關係你們提出了很多的解決辦法規劃但是完成了 |
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部長,在還沒完成之前,台鐵公司還規劃要漲票價,對不對?花蓮的災情都還沒有恢復,觀光重創的情況之下,還嚴厲要漲票價。 院長,本是認為這樣子都是在花東人口的傷口上傻眼。 這條就是我早期交通委員會臨時提出臨時動議說在災情恢復前不得漲票價才暫緩的喔。 |
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不然我真的不知道我們執政黨是怎麼樣剝削我們花東人民的血汗錢呢?漲報價可以,我們也支持因為要營運成本,可是花東鐵路的雙軌化,還有你規劃建設這個邊坡的監測預警系統完成之前,在台鐵可以提供更安全、更多班次之前,北東快線全面動漲,院長你同意嗎? |
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跟委員報告,其實我們現階段對於花東的交通的改善,還有提供花東民眾安全便捷回家的路,我想政府其實是不遺餘力的在努力。比如說兩年前完成的南回公路,其實也對台東出入往西部這邊,包括高雄南部, |
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政府對花東的投資其實沒有減少 |
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對阿,我們都知道啦,可是漲票這件事情對民眾也講很大名。 另外,花東的雙軌化還有列車,現在我們把最新最好的列車都提供給花東的服務,就是EMU3000,那這個可以從300多個位置增加到500多個位置,來增加花東整個運量、運力。 部長,你講到EMU3000你有聽過民眾反應以下該買車嗎? |
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議席很難坐啦,因為他不能躺平,那三個小時的時間你都是沒辦法腰那個不舒服,那個未來是不是可以開放讓民眾先試乘來反映一下,好不好?因為聽說你會改善嘛對不對?議案問題我們會再來持續的改善,不過就是說對運量的提升 |
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謝謝部長非常詳細的說明。那院長本席的重點是 |
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在這些事情解決之前花東北東就是臺北臺北臺東這樣的鐵路的車票是不是可以動載委員也應該清楚那個海鐵的車票29年沒有調整那我不是意味說他必須調整而是他在公司化之後我想他必須逐步的減少很多政策的功能跟手段但是讓他循序漸進的來 院長其實是這樣子的其實很多方法可以來解決 |
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那當然我們當然知道營運成本這些問題都是存在的嘛,你也可以用很多方案啊,比如說找鳥票啊、分散人流啊、離間封時期的這個勾票系統,它都可以做嘛,但是你不能直接就說要漲價,因為對發動人講,你都還沒做好你就給我企價,你如果做好你要企價我不會說啊,問題是你還沒做好啊。 |
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所以這部分院長是不是可以承諾?所以這部分我們第一個提升他的服務品質。第二個據我所知台鐵的售票是一套很複雜的系統他有很多區段等等等等很複雜的系統那希望他重新的檢視那至於能不能提出各種的方式在目前這個階段我是還沒有得到這個訊息部長這邊有沒有新的資料但是我們希望台鐵公式化之後必須更靈活更有企業管理的精神減少一些政治目標但是循序漸進的來 |
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委員長你是要借東部幹線施台鐵的經濟母啊﹖他的承載力 |
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依照我們交通部自己做的那個報告,它的承載率高達60幾%﹖然後它的假日做客率還超過90%﹖所以常常一票難求﹖所以當沒有這條線是會賺錢的﹖那這條線能夠彈性的來調整它﹖讓民眾能夠有更好的交通品質﹖也有可以提升我們台鐵的營運成本﹖這是不是要讓雙贏﹖所以這部分 |
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院長、副長、本席還是要求有些東西在漲之前真的要考慮一下在地人的心情。好,那我們接下來繼續討論的就是說,那個鐵路公路是台東很重要的聯絡的依靠,不過一旦發生中斷的時候,或者是廉價,航空也是我們不得不的選擇的手段,這不是要保證, |
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臺北飛澳門來回機票多少錢?臺北飛哪裡?澳門。 澳門。五千八。對,不到六千啦齁。人家還包一個飛機餐喔。我們該不要講到聯航這個部分了齁。 |
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那台東去台北,台東來台北比台北去澳門還要貴。本席,要強調的是說,不只貴而且常常買不到座位。那我想離島有離島票價補貼,還有縣民保留機會,這個其實在台東都沒用。當然沒錯,離島有它的交通限制,所以我們要補貼它是合理嘛。難道台東都沒有交通上的限制嗎?才我們剛剛談了這麼多之後,台東有沒有交通限制? |
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我們台東花東沒有國道沒有快速道路我們有什麼?我們就一條遇到天災就會中斷的鐵公路所以本席要要求是不是可以給涉及台東的居民擁有票價的優惠跟座位保留這個部分是不是可以答應一下? |
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跟委員報告我們的了解是徽花東的航線確實是因為鐵路大家比較因為鐵路的這個比較平價那另外鐵路的票也比較好定所以徽花東的航線這幾年確實是在下降那也因為他的這個譬如說像台北到花蓮目前一個禮拜只有只剩下四個班次部長其實根本是跟你講上個禮拜我回去台東搭飛機還差點買不到票 |
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是,真的,這正經一點,因為其實假日的承載率是高的啦,那這塊當然有很多的方法可以來解決,但是是不是可以給花東人,臺東人,臺東的居民有優惠,就像你補助離島一樣,票價優惠嘛,第二個保留機會嘛,不然我們臨時要去台北常常都沒有機票位啊,這是不是可以讓我們道三講一下 |
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我的了解確實是現在的航空航線花東航線的經營面對鐵路的挑戰這個成本或者是規模都經濟規模都有下跌那這個部分我們會再來看怎麼樣來改善這個狀況謝謝部長部長會持續那個本協會持續來追蹤這個問題齁那接下來我們考慮完了臺東本島的問題臺東還有兩個地島地島跟南嶼我們來看一下一個影片 |
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部長、院長這就是離島人的日常。 起島的飛機下來又目送他離開。 |
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今天看起來可能比較虛邪,你們有沒有想過,如果今天等待的不是信件,是重要的醫療物資,或者是有民眾急需到台中東本島,包括就醫,包括處理事情,他的心情會怎麼樣? |
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我們知道也去探討這個原因結果就是說因為是氣候的關係東北季風,風太大所以他沒有辦法飛啦或者是下來之後沒有辦法沒有辦法 |
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順利的著地,還要再離開。可是你看這個天氣不可抗的因素,你要不要看一下這個圖表,這個是監察院的107年的統計報告,到113年的今天這個問題有沒有改善?一樣是東北季風,兩者的取消率差了10倍多,一個是馬祖的欄杆,一個是台東的欄嶼。 |
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我想這就是因為飛機的大小造成的嘛,因為你沒辦法飛大型的飛機,所以你那個售後面大家就沒有辦法停靠嘛,你看都要跟他用命去拼了,早期我們的組織,我們早期我們的組織是 |
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在105年合併就合併了這個超過9億元要改善我們蘭嶼的機場,到現在還沒有成效嗎? |
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市長、院長、部長,現在109點到現在,你看到這個紀錄到現在進度到哪邊?有沒有改善?這個部分是...謝謝黃委員。謝謝卓院長。下一位請劉委員建國諮詢。 |
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好,謝謝主席。有請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。委員長好。委員長好。委員長辛苦。不會。委員長當院長很有挑戰齁。啊?院長當院長很有挑戰齁。 |
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我先讓院長看一支影片,那台灣未來會有更多挑戰。讓世界看見台灣。 |
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在卓院長的帶領之下,我們要再次讓世界再度看待臺灣。我想很多的面向要來跟院長來救教。我想這一次的這個AI教護黃林勳來到臺灣參加臺北的國際電腦展,那這個過程造成的非常轟動。相關的媒體的報導幾乎是從不間斷。不管他在演講,不管他在夜市,不管他在宴席這些科技大佬過程裡面,都是 |
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交點幾乎都是交點那在這個過程裡面到底他我們在辦臺北國際電腦展 |
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還AI環境情教護來到臺灣的時候到底給臺灣有什麼啟示我在這幾點裡面要特別跟院長來做相關的一些建議第一個還有這麼樣的這個先進的醫療的實力然後甚至於是防疫的模範生但是連續8年我們未獲得WCA的邀請甚至我都是我們主動扣關但是節節就是這樣的一個毫無進展 |
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然後但如果用WHA來對比今年的臺北國際電腦展我不曉得可以給院長得到什麼樣的一個啟發我要表達就是說當我們去登門拜訪世界衛生組織的時候我們得到的結果是這樣但是當我們辦一個臺北國際電腦展的時候卻有這麼多的山巨頭 |
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蘇志峰、黃仁勳、還有Intel相關的這些主要的科技人才都到台灣來。那台灣整個科技大佬相關的這些產業鏈的大老闆也都齊聚在一堂。 |
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曾經中國的媒體嘲笑我們辦這個臺北國際聯合展是叫做什麼?治愈娛樂的遊戲在2015年的時候而且了無新意甚至比不上中國辦的世界互聯網的大會但是我們臺灣一直堅持到至今你看創造了迎接了第43年不只如此今天的這個展覽也創下了4天8.51萬的這個這樣的人次這是破了紀錄了 |
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同時也包含了所有的幾乎相關的這樣的產業鏈的巨頭通通到位來到我們台灣所以我在這個部分就是說台灣不管是醫療不管是科技不管是現在的AI台灣在全世界扮演舉足輕重的這樣的地位那我們怎麼樣的可以讓AI跟醫療做快速連結現在民間的企業已經有在做了那政府要怎麼去引導 |
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那我們是不是可以在未來在未來甚至以最快速度明年就國家主導舉辦一個AI醫療展也讓全世界的醫療的這些人才科技人才再度齊聚到我們臺灣黨讓臺灣可以再度被世界看得見邱部長我在衛環的質詢的時候也特別 |
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提醒這相關的事情他也非常認可他從當醫師全員會的理事長甚至於世界醫師會的理事甚至於是部門區的立委持續8年的到現在當部長8年的持續向WHA來扣關他也在委員會的時候特別 |
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請求國人不能放棄我們要努力不懈但是我們必須在不放棄努力不懈的過程裡面我們要想出更好的一個方式更好的一個方法更光明的一條道路所以我才會具體的建議臺灣是不是由這種該快速來應變應運因為院長要做的是行動創新AI的內閣 |
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是不是院長,能不能認可?好,謝謝委員。這是Computex帶台灣的展覽,吸引了那麼多世界知名而且最重要的產業界來。國內的產業也做了這個產業鏈的相關的整合,也在現場。 |
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更重要的是我們國人的參與那種熱度出乎大家意料,媒體的討論度,國際社會的重視,這個就是遠遠超過大家意料之外的,但是我們做到了,表示台灣是有能力成為國際社會的一份子,我們也善盡這個責任,但是WHA我們覺得遺憾,我們不能夠進去。 |
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臨時提案委員 |
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﹗ |
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我們的醫療水準絕對是有努力幫忙的所以我相信我們的部會首長都會很努力的想朝向更國際化的臺灣去做努力所以院長就是認可嘛對不對?對因為我那天也特別跟邱部長講邱部長雖然認可但是這絕對不是單一部會可以去完成包含經濟部包含國科會包含國科會相關的部會都必須要請權益參與這個院長所帶領的創新行動創新的AI內閣我們才有辦法 |
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可以是不是在明年就來籌辦這個AI醫療國際展我們努力朝這個方向但是我再次強調中華民國台灣裡面所有的成功的例子都不會是行政院的我也很希望立法院大院能夠來支持國人一起來支持我們朝向一個更高遠的目標來前進好院長我的時間有限了反正院長就是認可那我們就朝這個方向來努力打拚好不好院長可以吧 |
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我們一起努力好謝謝好那第二件事情是這樣齁再請院長看一支影片 |
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我解釋裡面簡單的重點就是說黃毓民表示在這10到15年我們的教育體系都是教學生如何寫程式有AI之後這不變了 |
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這不用了啦,靠人工智慧來協助我們如何把這樣的程式灌輸在我們的思維裡面,變成可以用的一個,我們可以使用的這樣的一個程式。這個是一個非常非常大的變革,在這個變革過程裡面,我們自詡的,院長自詡的行動創新的AI LEG裡面, |
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從教育的體系從相關面向我們去做應用我在這邊要用幾個例子給院長做參考你像韓國在2020的時候國民教育就將推行AI數位教科書然後日本高中也有AI輔助老師教學在基礎教育上他們就用熟悉AI然後培養AI的素養同時避免過去的這種城鄉之間出現數位落差來重蹈覆轍所以 |
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過去蘇前院長的任內推動斑斑扭扭器,生生有平板。 院長,認可這個事情,我們要應變,我們要行動。 什麼時候在你的任內,第一年或是第二年,笑笑有AI。 |
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謝謝委員,我始終認為,任何創新都要被學習才有價值。所有的科技都要讓大眾來使用,它才能改變人類的生活。所以我們跟郭部長討論的過程當中,我們曾經談過一句話叫做,創新驅動,普惠大眾。 |
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就是把這個創新帶來的驅動整個社會的進步科技的進步讓人民能夠享受得到那現在我們也一直希望說我們自己知道自己AI內閣行動創新內閣的責任就是要把這些AI的技術導入導入到政府部門公共領域跟人民的生活當中我們希望能夠盡速的做這個事情所以我們已經責任包括國科會包括經濟部包括書法部等等相關的部會 |
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已經就這個部分來提出他們所管轄業務當中必須做到的再來進行跨部會的整合是導入人民的生活其他的一個擴進史基本上就是要導入教育所以基礎教育非常重要所以我院長特別引用韓國跟日本的例子給你做參考所以我才會用這樣字眼最快速的讓人民最清楚的讓家長更加了解的讓學生也準備來進入這樣的學習所以校校有AI院長 |
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這個目標非常好,但是郭部長提到,我覺得他的這個先做,他希望說我們的各部會裡面,部部都有AI的人士,AI的工程師,去把部會裡面先做好。政府部門做到了,我們更容易往外接著。我覺得教育部也要朝這個方向去做。 |
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新部長已經上來了,部長能不能簡單答覆,何時有校校有AI?跟委員報告,我們現在從小學這個部分事實上都融入課程,主題式的,而且我們在酷英網跟這個英才網裡面事實上我們都已經融入AI,讓學生在學習上,包括這個數位的一個學習,從今年的,原來10月我上任以後,8月我希望所有的這個給家長的參考, |
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給老師的參考跟這一個校長的參考,我們這個指導所說都在8月之前都會發展出來。 從小學開始嘛,對不對? |
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是。 所以你的第二屆是今天小學嘛。 那國中、高中、大學、研究的都有。 是校校均有? |
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沒有。 因為他的課程裡面就已經有這個資訊。 校校均有? |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
沒有。 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
7214.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
施政方針繼續質詢：第11屆第17次會議第17次會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
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我們知道有城鄉的落差也有數位的落差很多的條件都還不足所以我們像推這個半班用冷氣一樣全面的檢查之後包括他的線路等等叫做改善我們也希望他有一個環境是讓他能夠進去的我覺得AI要先有觀念再來有訓練再來有條件再來再進行實驗最後我們才做全民的檢驗所以8月竟然已經開始要啟動對不對那是不是因為我們就是行動嘛我們就是行動要趕速度嘛所以是不是在今年年底前就是 |
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可以達到效效有AI這目標。我請部長今年年底前達到一種程度一種階段一定要向委員提出報告讓我們持續的做更精進的計畫。對不起委員長我不是刻意要去要求這樣時間但是因為確實變革太快這樣的速度太快那行動的內閣他就必須要做這相關的應變所以要加緊腳步即便在今年的年底沒有辦法達到100%那最少要90%嘛應該可以做到吧。 |
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跟委員報告這事實上從課程老師這個部分我們事實上都一直在持續努力,會朝委員的一個目標在精進。最少一年內吧,現在開始計算,一年內應該可以吧。我們事實上也都有發展相關的一個現場的課程。院長我就這樣具體要求了好不好,謝謝。那第二件事情就這樣,其實我們要因應新興的科技這樣的浪潮。 |
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第二部要打造20座這人才培育的基地現在已經有18座他也在很趕速度啊我也敬佩我也肯定但是到目前為止沒有相關AI智能產業人才培育基地啊到目前為止沒有我提供一個地點就在雲林的環球科大這土地是經濟部台堂的 |
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前副院長要現任之前還特別為了這事情在相關的琢磨甚至開了會決議快速的就成為院長所長的賴總統希望產業均衡希望地區均衡中部北部都有人才培養基地雲加沒有 |
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所以雲科剛好他就到一個階段環科剛好就到一個階段然後所有校舍硬體基本上都籌備我們只要中央主導就可以快速的讓AI產業培訓基地來建置完成 |
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院長、部長是不是可以快速來做這樣的一個評估?請郭部長跟你答覆相關的現在在處理的進度。好,報告委員,現在我們的進度是這樣子,環球科技大學他要捐贈給經濟部,所以我們現在跟教育部還在談,那如果他捐贈給經濟部以後,我們會落實委員所指教的這個AI科技人才的培育,就在環球科技大學。我自己本身有在追啦齁,就整個規劃的方向,還有相關的先辦計畫,他都必須要啟動了。 |
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院長部長到現在是完全沒有那如果完全沒有的話這個行動是會被挑戰的那我想整個均衡的人才的培育人家不能沒有剛好有這個土地又是台南的經濟部來主導相關的科技法人來主政我想我們馬上就可以在這個地方產生這樣一個AI人才培訓的基地請院長思考請部長快馬加鞭最後因為時間真的很有限 |
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我剛剛特別提到了AI跟醫療要去做這樣的一個連結。我在任內的時候跟蘇卿院長、蔡前總統特別申請到國家級高齡醫學基金和福祉研究中心。今年年底會完工。邱部長當立的時候也積極在協助。然後還有虎尾台大二期的擴建。那如果今天要讓AI跟醫療直接有連結相關的病症有TEST相關的測試。 |
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那個地方絕對是最重重之重的地方所以中科管理局胡委員區在蘇院長的時候也願意要來擴編是不是這三個鏈像可以連結在一塊我們可以快速打造一個AI醫療的產業鏈甚至一個產業園區所以我也提供這個定點這樣的訊息給院長、給部長來做參考但這個如果你們認可可能相關的可行 |
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謝謝劉委員,也謝謝左院長。報告院會休息10分鐘,現在休息。 |
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報告院會現在繼續開會,請柯委員自然質詢。好,謝謝主席。我們是不是請我們的左院長。左院長請備詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
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科委員好 院長好 院長你過去有沒有去過中國大陸 有 去過幾次 兩三次吧 兩三次你有沒有報備 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
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報備那個時候我不需要報備還是有啊因為兩岸關係人民關係條例的時候在比在你上任這個當立委之前就已經有第9條也是有這樣子的規定所以呢有沒有報備你覺得有差嗎你那時候接見的是有沒有接受落地招待或其他人士的一個款待 |
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我去的主要都是我還沒有公職身份的時候去的。 那去招待都是台灣人過去的台商朋友招待的。 是啊,是目前為止其實有很多的里長還有國民還有包括很多國民黨的立委去也都是這樣的模式。 |
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8313.129 |
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可是里長有的會來談的不是這樣子。 大部分的里長都是,你就透過一些檢調,雖然這樣的很多的約談已經讓里長嚇得要死,但是呢,大部分都認為他們是清白的,可是光是這樣一個動作就已經足以讓非常多的里長心生恐懼。 然後呢我們的落會主委也認為說這時候就需要來做一個申報,我現在只是請問院長有沒有申報會影響到我們這樣子的去大陸的國家認同嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
8313.129 |
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8314.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
就你自己的經驗而言。 |
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是不是要申報那是一個討論的過程但是如果是集體的有目的的在某一個時間特別多的那覺得我們國安團隊是應該關注當然是啦但是我們現在只問這個東西都是太個案我們現在只是問一般性的而且你們回來你們有沒有交代說到底見了誰而且我還是一句話 |
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| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
8360.132 |
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院長對臺灣的民主自由要非常的有信心了好不好你當初沒有申報然後呢這個東西很多民進黨的委員去到大陸也沒有做任何的申報可是現在卻要改變模式中國大陸統戰從過去到現在都一致啊照你們的說法所以呢有沒有申報其實不是一個最大的重點所以我個人覺得你還要看而且你看這個媒體裡面啊這個卓利委去的時候呢 |
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據說啦,當初這個報導的這些兩位記者目前也都是明嘴型的啊,他說陳隨便總統當時對於你出去其實也不太滿意,也不太高興,我不知道你的長期記憶還沒有這樣的一個印象,但不管怎麼樣,不管他不高高不高興,你也去了兩三次,你回來還是當上我們的行政院的院長。所以我個人覺得兩岸的交流以個人的經驗來說,以你的經驗,以我的經驗,平凡的平常的這樣一個做法, |
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| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
8389.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
總消費總額差不多相關而且他認為如果兩岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8411.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
﹚廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
8423.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
8424.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
不過跟委員提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
8452.216 |
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| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
我們這次去也有一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
對,我也同意,所以你不能讓這些未來的很多的團客去的話變成地下化,因為很多人為了商業的需求,我覺得這個政策還是要非常的清楚明白,而且鄭文燦這位大阿哥也特別提到的,不要對陸配貼上政治標籤,不要用政治角度來去定位,要從人道的本質來做出發,這點你應該也同意吧? |
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| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
對,所以我還是一句話我還是追溯這個卓立委當初的時候在你當立院的時候呢你同樣站在我這個位置而你對面站的就是唐飛院長你那時候對他所提出的建議時候呢你還認為應該是兩岸開太平 |
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所以說呢院長我只是說立法委員只有一個監督我們也不會擴大你是一個行政的權力當你在當立委的時候你也希望兩岸開太平這邊我只是希望期許你在當立委想轉換成具有行政權的院長的時候也能成如你過去當立委時候的期望這樣你做得到嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
8549.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
謝謝委員我現在還是主張兩岸要能夠和平共榮共榮是一個積極的和平是互相善意對待的如果要這樣的做這條大路是可以往前走的我完全同意啦但是你就是這個彼此間的對等彼此間的善意大家都要彼等都在等待彼此的出招那以至於讓我們很多的商業活動讓我們很多的旅遊的活動還在彼此在觀望你們兩方之間的所謂的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
我願意積極努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
在大法官事件之前 |
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但是我個人認為說你是行政院的院長說實在的你已經沒有個人施政的結果的時候呢可能我們立法院會是休會的時間所以呢在國會殿堂你應該向人民表達你行政院院長的一個態度所以現在態度是什麼 |
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我很嚴守這個願記的分立,那大法官已經受理這樣的事件在處理了,那大法官會出來之後,就是你我共同所有國人要去遵循的,因為他的位階是很高的。 所以你說大法官基本上這是我們法上的規定,他也不太具有我們人民的這個民意的一個基礎,但目前為止你也知道,不管任何的統計來說,大概從七成包大、八成包、包括民進黨的這些黨員都認為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
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非死這件事情是姿勢體大,而且他們都是反非死的。但是你看看北北是一定啦,我們的監察院的院長陳菊院長他已經是已經成立了這樣子的一個所謂的逐步推動非死的小組。 |
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8660.186 |
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8678.595 |
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所以呢他已經完全表達他的一個立場存存在了這是我們監察院院長我個人覺得啊監察院院就是應該好好的去抓一些貪官汙吏啦這是他的權責他已經跳躍過來他都表達他的立場了所以行政院院長怎麼來看監察院院長這樣子的一個表態 |
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現在院長似乎他還有一個人權委員會的...不管怎麼樣嘛,那是你院長,他就還是寬敞給院長嘛,他都已經表態的。那你院長要不要表態一下?我尊重他的表態。你尊重他的表態,但是你還不願意表態。但是我告訴你喔,就像這個我們的前,這個蔡新強前法務部長喔,他在之前也是我質詢他的,之前他也曾經講過,死刑規定是合憲的,那是否廢死應該由立法機關來做決定。 |
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那我們現在的新任的法務部長,你覺得你有像他講話這麼明確嗎? |
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我想法務部的一個對死刑存賄的問題是有一貫性的一個...那你他都已經告訴我死刑規定何限啊?這是你們前法務部長。院長我真的覺得像我當老師我們都從頭到尾都常常在懷念上一屆你知道嗎?每次看到新一屆的盲人我們都覺得我們懷疑上一屆。我覺得到行政院的那個也是一樣我都已經開始有點懷念前法務部長了。現任法務部長部長你對他的這句話你的看法是怎麼樣? |
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很清楚就是你認為這個廢死是違憲的? |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
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您只是不夠明確啦,您沒有像前任部長這麼樣的明確,然後您也很清楚,您也很清楚我們現在的民意到底在哪裡吧,您有看過所有大大小小不管是哪一個機構做出的民意調查嗎,您應該很清楚這樣的方式嘛,那我只問嘛,院長,如果大法官 |
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已經說了這個廢死是違憲的話,你贊不贊成通過修憲的方法,因為人民目前為止還有八成是認為他們是反對的。你認為應該通過修憲,我們符合憲法規定嘛,雖然憲法不為民進黨政府認為是個災難,但是呢我們如果到目前為止沒有部分,你贊不贊成用修憲的方式來做處理﹖ 補照我國目前的刑法是有實行的,那麼如果大法官會最後對這個釋憲合法違法問題做了最後的決定的時候, |
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那如果剛剛吳委員說的要修憲,那應該是立法院發動了。是啊,所以你們也都是尊重嘛,所以你看做的決議就是嘛,我們認為說,說實在我上次已經跟陳建仁院長說過了,你真的留了37個死刑犯給我們新任的一個院長來做,真的對你們是有點不太公平嘛,不過你現在就變成接受兩種結果啦,一個就是你如果萬一他是核憲的話,你就必須立刻執行死刑,如果是違憲的話,你就必須要廢除刑法當中的死刑,對不對? |
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這是沒問題的吧?這兩套程序都必須合乎邏輯推動的。當然是邏輯啊,只是你做出來的東西跟民意如果有所不同的話,那又是台灣社會再進入一個所謂的災難了。 |
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我們來看一下,謝謝部長我接下來要跟你用大拼譜的方法來討論這個能源的問題那我想能源的問題也非常多人非常的關切但是今天呢我們完全用數字來說話完全用數字來救教育我們現在的院長因為你們目前為止我們到20現在已經王美花前部長已經說是2026了2025已經確定跳票了就是2030、50而且你們也提出了2050年的淨零排碳的路徑圖所以呢我們看一下 |
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這當然是一個很 |
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堅拒的目標。只是跟委員報告在蔡前總統的那8年增加的速度是遠遠超過他之前的8年。所以我認為人民的觀念跟技術的改進跟整個科技的發展未來我們持續 |
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8913.217 |
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8938.656 |
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來啦,那個院長,數字來告訴你,2016到2023我們就增加了4.8%,然後你現在如果在2021到20的話,你必須要增加10.1的再生能源,這是極度大的挑戰,極度大的一個挑戰,然後我還是要問,我等一下都用數字來說話,你可以總通和來,我讓你有機會來回答,因為你們的回應對我來說是非常重要的,然後我們再來看一下,我們先來看看 |
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目前的狀況是這樣 |
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好,說實在的,所有的專家學者都告訴你,備轉容量只是評估當日是不是用電有餘裕,每天都會有變化。如果你用備轉容量去預估未來用電增長,供電是否充足,說實在這個推論太過簡化。 |
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9008.126 |
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太過簡化這是所有的學店的這些學者專都告訴你的而且好了我們先擺開這個東西來說多過簡化之外你看他的前三年倍轉容量就低於10%哦各位你看一下我們的數字蔡總統任內四次大體電特別是815的時候呢只剩下3.17哦讓我們再看看過去七年用倍轉容量來看的話呢供電吃緊的黃燈899天 |
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警戒的橘燈212天紅燈6天若照院長的邏輯這是備載的話那請問這是缺點還是不缺點所以那個時期我們認為在供電上是有點吃緊的那有很多的因素所以我告訴你嘛備載絕對不是一個預估會不會缺電的一個方式但是現在這個階段的備載是比較合理而且我們是列為一個參考的數字 |
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9038.12 |
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我還在告訴你哪些數字你可以參考而且目前來說的話我們核電已經持續被排除在機載電力之外了嘛可以說你一天24小時持續這個產生電的方法機載的種類又去去了一個然後呢很多人問到你我還是提出這個非常重要的數據AI每個人都要AI那部長來自產業你也知道嘛這個芯片處理要24小時不斷電嘛對不對那我們搬網的時候到底會不會我們來看看我們現在的數據所顯示出來的你看 |
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| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
﹚發言委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
院長﹖ |
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這一期才是2026年一定要20%我們距離現在還有10.1需要去做這樣的處理然後我們接下來去看到底會不會去切電我說實在的部長也提到我也不知道你為什麼吃了一頓飯之後你就改變你過去覺得可能還有點用核電的空間但是你看看你自己說的過去的話他說AI的用電到底會增加多少我們要看看2025到2028AI爆發期我們才幫你預估對吧 |
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是的部長曾經講過嘛你都告訴我們說你要看看2025到2028才要看他的爆發期才來預估可是你已經事先告訴我們2030是絕對不缺點的你現在都還要預估你怎麼可以決斷的告訴我們2030絕對不會缺點我覺得講這種話實在太武斷了吧院長 |
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我覺得你講一個有努力的空間,你講的太獨斷,因為我可以告訴你為什麼。委員長,如果容許我們這個部長可以把他的那個工整個計畫表,沒有關係,可以給我,是後來告訴我,但是我還是用數據還是用秀出數據告訴你,因為現在不只NVIDIA、鴻海、美超、日月光、政威等大廠已經有所謂的資料中心,未來我們預估都是經濟部這個產發署預估,如果外商到我們臺灣來移作資料, |
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中心一天就要用掉230萬度電一年就要58.4億度這講得很清楚所以說部長你講得很對啊目前臺灣的電力只能支持5到6家嘛你都已經算出來了對不對就是我們的AI資料中心成立10家就超過了 |
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所以你看看,如果一年需要8.4億的話,那你6家算下來,明年我們就要50.4億。那以我們2023年全國總發電量來去看的話,你就占了2%。2%是什麼樣的概念?我們台積電這些半導體加上哈姆朗的所有半導體當中,一年占8%。 |
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9247.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
我們這些AI明年就佔2%我還沒有算到算力中心跟研發中心這是很可怕很驚人的所以照部長你的說法我們現在對於世界各場要來設立我們AI資料中心我們要進行總量管制要不要? |
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因為你說只有6桌啊,照我們的算法是這樣子啊,很科學啊。 是啊,我們都歡迎這個國外的業者來台灣投資這個數據中心。那麼他們所需要的電呢,我們都有在盤算。只是說如果是來的這個機會,超過我們所計算的這個廠家的話,那我們會開始考慮我們有什麼樣的方式,可以來滿足讓這個...你有什麼樣的方式?部長你有什麼樣的方式? |
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我們有這個風電啊,我們有這個...你這全部放不上,雖然在生理委員裡面了啦,不要再跟我講這個部分部長,你自己從產業來說你已經被政治太多的東西弄出,你沒有辦法講出你產業上的真正需求,我剛剛已經算給你看了嘛,所以說呢,你告訴我說這五、六家也的確是嘛,50點 |
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9320.323 |
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這是一年嘛所以你是不是到6家我們是不是要評選前6名才有辦法進來第7個我們電力不夠就可能給他排除在外因為你說不同的方法我現在就告訴你啊你的方法已經用盡了我們再往下來看嘛你的成本提高你看你現在目前為止我們台電的購電量已經到3042億了你跟前年比你跟相比幾年你增加一倍了而且最貴的 |
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9335.872 |
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太陽光電4.9當然最貴就是地熱了6.69了那台電已經虧損了4000億了那部長你也說你不支持用補助的方法那你又用了AI的電力需求那你覺得購入這個太陽光電的成本誰來買單誰來買單業者業者會買單業者嗎全部都業者來買單嗎那你可以保證我們9月照我這樣盤點下來你覺得9月電費還會不會再漲 |
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| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
電惠房委員之前已經稍作調整了那目前就是要朝穩定的方式去但是臺電它負擔很多的政策的功能也負擔很多的穩定物價跟照顧民生用電但是你的部長告訴我他認為臺電的這個電費一定要反映成本他不認為一定要用補助的一個方法某種程度這個部長講出一般在 |
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9393.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
公司管理的一個層面可是臺電的總經理也認為美國的白皮書也告訴我們說他們對於臺灣的這個所謂的電還是覺得他們最concerned然後你看你們告訴我們說院長也特別提到了你家裡沒有電不是跳電或是不是缺電如果跳電沒有修好這個表示韌性電網度不夠堅韌沒有錯吧院長講過 |
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9412.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
﹗ |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
9417.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
而我們也編了強化電網10年料投資5645億。 院長阿2023到2018我們繼續辦理還是編列了334億總共哈不朗當編了這麼多將近6000多億我們都把錢花出去我們也願意編錢沒有問題 |
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9428.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9451.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
但是編前下去之後呢﹖你還是真的就是只是任性的問題嗎﹖所以臺電的總經理王耀廷他也請辭他說你們都不懂臺電基層的辛苦我也認為我家裡很多人在臺電工作我也認為他們很辛苦我覺得王總經理沒有講的就是他不敢跟上層告訴我們說我們的能源政策是需要修正的你看看嘛數據告訴你啊每戶停電的比率啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
委員長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
9483.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
報告委員,不管透過什麼樣的發電系統,是核、是煤、是氣、是天然、綠能,都必須要有強韌的電網。 是嘛。 所以我們以前投資了很多,但是電網就像人的血管密密麻麻。 我現在只告訴院長,我們已經花了6千多億,我們已經針對韌性電網已經做了這些事情。 |
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到時候不要告訴我又是人為又是小動物等等之類的但是呢我也必須要就教於我們的部長啊你上週在備選的時候才說只要修法通過核二核三可以再延誉二三十年這是你一個最直覺的說法因為美國也是這麼認為啊大家最想聽的美國也是這樣認為但是呢你到了後來跟著這個卓院長吃了一頓飯之後就趕快改口了所以我們現在核電是我們沒有考慮一部分沒有考慮放在我們這個基載的部分或者是備載的部分沒錯吧部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
9541.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
我說的這個每個時間點都不太一樣,所以這個河二河三的演繹的問題,這只是就這個議題在討論。好的,那你是不是告訴我們說你現在完全不考慮核電,然後也沒有在備載的,備載的部分你也都完全不考慮對不對?我們現在的這個機載的這個發電的容量是可以滿足我們客戶的需求。對,所以你現在不考慮核電了嗎?連這個所謂的備載的部分你都不考慮了嗎? |
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9545.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
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我們不能夠現在就把它當作這個考慮的這個對象因為現在的法沒有規定我可以去用這個那個法是完全掌握在你們也可以來對法來做修法你不要告訴我當你們有心要做這件事情的修法是可以來進行我只說你連被宰都不考慮部長你完全打斂了我們的賴總統報告委員經濟部是執行單位我沒有辦法去做這個事情 |
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經濟部事情單位我還是強調當你覺得電力不夠的時候經濟部大家所有的炮口都在你身上連你說他都不是被宰部分連我們的賴總統都不斷告訴你看看賴總統曾經講過的他在選選總統的時候講說目前我們在考慮怎麼樣在停機的核能機組未來可能有緊急使用的一個已被佈置之需你說完全不考慮我們的賴總統還在考慮 |
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好了,那你看看 |
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臨時提案時間 |
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世界各國裡面減碳的目標來說你看不管是冰島不管是美國都已經設定為到50左右我們台灣目前到2030才設定到20跟25的減碳都還只設定這個標準那你怎麼可能2050年有辦法達到啊院長這是數據告訴你啊你們都一直在努力告訴我們這個這個這個途徑到底是怎麼樣可是這個事實就擺在這個地方啊不是嗎那你這個東西該怎麼辦你看 |
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這個日本都還是過去你要到41到46加拿大40然後呢我們現在在COP28已經示警了如果你要維持在1.5度的控制這個全球暖化勢必全球要減少42%台灣是不可能的呀台灣目標2030年也做到23左右了對不對那你怎麼符合時代的一個趨勢 |
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所以這是數據啊我沒有跟你講別的說用什麼別套的方法就在這邊告訴我們而且呢我還問過中研院院長目前來說以院長就很清楚來說以臺灣淨零科技的發展來看你要去碳燃氫是不是要增加天然氣的進口那這個也不利於能源安全而且以現代的技術來說我們根本就達不到 |
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院長部長這是數據翻開來所以不要告訴我們說我們要怎麼樣我知道你們會很努力但是整個能源政策擺在這個地方數字就告訴你我們就是達不到怎麼辦 |
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關於2030淨零轉型排碳淨零排碳這個問題我們已經編了相當大的預算但這個預算對世界來講我們還是極少數但是我們善用這個預算當中對業界對人民做一些必要的措施也提供一些設備的更新好了院長我覺得這個都是該做的如果這樣做下去照我們的計畫走目前這個計畫在進行當中的 |
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不會啦,2026很快就到了,你的再生能源有沒有辦法到20%,我們都還在啦,你還是站在那個位置,我還站在這個位置,我們都可以好好來檢視,我只是說努力不代表,能源政策如果不做一些修正,包括你最後所提出來能源轉型2.0,我都覺得不要認為2050,我們可以從 |
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來總統上任他可能要下任之前我們都可以來檢視他到底做到多少從這個地方就可以推到2050我們台灣到底做得到做不到好不好我覺得還是一個非常重要的好謝謝各位接下來我還是要問院長一個非常重要的問題就是關於我們的特別預算 |
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議員長, |
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我剛剛看了一下大概就只有救命前就是那8000多億的防疫來振興這算是救命前其他的我說實在的以我們目前來說你看一年中央政府總預算的額度幾乎是2.5兆幾乎是一年中央政府總預算的額度所以說這個你從不從意這已經是在留子孫的一個概念了這麼多的特別預算你會在編特別預算嗎 |
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希望委員能同意某些事項是必須的比如說國防的預算它相當的龐大如果沒有特別預算的話那我們總預算的膨脹是沒有辦法消耗的我們的國防預算我們的國防預算再怎麼樣龐大如果說你要跟對岸去做一個勁壘的話基本上我覺得還是而且我這時候就提醒我了院長在你當部長的時候你還曾經講過一句話你回去翻一下我都很認真看你以前的質詢記錄你還說增加國防預算並不會未來帶來和平這是你講的 |
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因為我們競爭的對手不一樣,他現在越來越對我們有更強烈的進步性。 他們在進步,我們也在進步啊。他們增加預算,然後我們就必須要,然後我們買的武器。 我剛講,還再一句話,就是我們有一些事項是必須考慮特別預算的。另外,有一些應該回到地方自治的事項,就應該地方政府自己來處理。 |
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可以減少中央政府預算的壓力我只是把這個數據把你提出來還有一個很重要的數據就是勞保的問題這個數據也是很可怕的有沒有這個院長這個我們勞保的這個部分來說這個都已經不是問題了 |
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然後呢這完全就是要這就是我們千萬勞工的這個退休勞本了那你看看目前為止我們看到這三年前的精算了雖然你現在已經有撥補2000多億而且分三年啊不斷的陸續的入賬啊但是呢如果你加上2021跟2023年收益的話說實在的我們現在是把原來117年要破產的往後挪到後面的兩三年所以最快也是在120年會破產如果到這個數據繼續走下去的話院長 |
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政府對廣大的勞工朋友說了感謝之外更有責任。 那我們勞保的基金目前水位是持續在上升當中。 有嗎來看一下你看以去年為例的我們保費收入是4761億但是我們給付是5207億我們赤字就446億這是每一年都會持續的而且不好意思這個何部長也特別託我們現在如果是撥補也算是一種改革院長你現在還認為這句話是事實嗎? |
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波普就是波普改革的方式有很多對所以波普不應該是改革如果照你這種說法基金靠波普就能夠存活那你如果靠股市大漲就能夠安全那如果波普是等於改革那我說實在的原本基金比勞保更晚破產的公教年金我都不曉得在改什麼 |
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如果說撥補是這樣的話﹖撥補跟改革都是要面對這個問題讓他能夠往好的方向去所以改革方式很多是但是撥補絕對不是一種改革好不好而且政府在投注太多的錢進去後面的財庫真的很可怕你現在完全看到這個我想那個院長看到數字頭都一個頭比兩個頭大而且你還說勞保健保的財務永續就應該建立溝通的平台部長請回謝謝然後就會建立什麼政策的溝通平台 |
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您有開始做這樣的事情嗎? |
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10001.21 |
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跟所謂的政黨來做這個跨黨派的溝通嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
10001.21 |
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10003.011 |
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尋求社會最大的公約數嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
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10004.352 |
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您現在有做嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
10011.997 |
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我們曾經拜訪過韓院長兩次。 那因為他談有那時候的事項。 未來如果我們把握各種的機會。 |
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再跟哈侯耶黨團做更深入的研究。 |
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好,謝謝柯委員。謝謝左院長。下一位請沈委員博洋質詢。 |
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謝謝主席,那有請院長,謝謝請卓議員長備詢 |
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三位委員好院長好我今天最主要都是問一些跟跨部會有關的最主要除了花蓮正在的情形之外還包含全民防衛還有戰略協調的機制不過在一開始我想要還是先針對最近媒體不斷對我造謠的一件事情來做一個說明謝謝第一個就是說最近一位媒體的這個好像沒有作用 |
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謝謝不好意思可以幫我暫停一下 |
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好,這個就是說呢,因為媒體剛好問到第五縱隊啦,那這邊可能也有請法務部長來幫忙做一個說明。就是說,有官員指出這個台灣最近有很多的第五縱隊,問說該怎麼辦。那我一直都認為第五縱隊是一個假議題。為什麼我會這樣講呢?其實理由非常的簡單。第五縱隊最主要是指在戰爭的時候,跟敵人裡應外合,在台灣搞顛覆啊什麼等等之類的。 |
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但這些人重點是他要怎麼做得到這件事情他可能要有一些名單啊什麼等等之類的所以目前呢我一直都認為與其用第五縱隊這個名詞不如呢去討論到底在臺灣有哪些人風險高哪些人風險低風險高的意思就是他可能時常跟中國的黨政軍有接觸這可能是比較風險高的人風險低的人他可能就是單純他就去到中國 |
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臨時提案委員 |
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所以我提出相關的立法委員附中需要報準這也是剛剛柯委員問到的一個問題我認為這是一個非常合理的規範目前以我們聯審會來講大概兩個禮拜審一審都還是會過去那剛剛呢柯委員有問到說這會不會是一個可能造成所謂的自由被妨害其實很重要的事情是這一個聯審會審查是為了透明化我們要知道這些委員見了什麼人他人在哪裡不然的話他被抓走的話我們要怎麼辦 |
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所以他的行程都是應該要上網的嘛 跟現在縣市首長去一樣 那我這邊想問法務部長另外一件事情就是剛好前陣子有一個新聞 有一個扯鈴教練 他不是立法委員 他是一個扯鈴教練而已 這個扯鈴教練去到中國之後呢 被中國接觸回來之後呢 洩漏蔡總統當時的一些行程 然後也洩漏了一些當時在飛機上面的貴賓名單 |
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現在檢察官可能已經在偵辦當中了所以他不是一個公務員那他的確可以造成傷害因為他的那一個名單對第五縱隊以後來講的確會造成危險那我這邊想要問另外一個問題就是我現在放在PowerPoint上面的如果是台灣的大學教授去中國 |
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結果見到中國統戰部的人員回來之後呢在課堂上面有沒有看到哪一些同學在討論維吾爾議題在討論香港議題甚至認為在討論台獨問題就把它做成一個名單然後就把這個名單交給中國那請問在這樣的一個狀況之下他跟剛剛扯鈴教練不一樣他不是把一個直接國防機密或國防以外機密做洩漏他只是單純做名單而已但這個名單對第五中隊會很重要那請問我們現在對這個的規範會是什麼 |
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跟委員報告那目前是沒有直接對這種行為做一個規範那如果說可以是不是可以用各自法第41條來做研究看看有沒有去觸犯這一條法條 |
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謝謝部長 這就很重要的 這其實就是我一直不斷在提的因為有很多灰色地帶的事情 它可能沒有直接違法或者它只能跟國安無關的法律 我們可能做一些措施那這件事情其實正常的 因為我們是民主國家我們不能夠直接對人民來做監控但是我們台灣面對中國的威脅 是實實在在存在的所以對於這種事情 我們要怎麼揭露讓一般人知道 這的確是重要的 |
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所以往後針對這個議題我可能還是會一樣在不管在司法法制或者在內政的時候會針對這個議題再做後續的討論所以前面我先來把這件事情釐清一下那接下來我就是要討論跨部會的事情那一開始我想要講說我們從4月3日發生地震一直到這個5月2日那4月3日這個賴總統當時第一時間就去了 |
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五月二號我記得五月二十二卓院長也是一上任馬上就下去了所以這個真的是對當地的一個非常大的鼓舞但我這邊想要提的一件事情就是有兩點第一點是從四月三號到五月二號畢竟還是一個月那過了這一個月到時候才把這個經費拍板其實對當地的人民來講有點慢 |
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那慢其實也沒什麼關係因為表示有充分的討論嘛那當時有一個最大的問題就是因為我們的部會太多了他會負責的事項呢有房屋啦、醫療啦、震災啦、死亡啦這些都太多了所以在當時有一個狀況譬如說他可能打電話問震災基金會 |
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﹚完整會議 |
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所以這種橫向的聯繫這件事情還有窗口的問題其實在震災的時候特別重要那台灣又是容易發生災難的地方所以呢是不是可以請院長呢可以講一下就是說從你上任以後針對因為你5月22也有下去嘛啊那個時候針對各部會的協調機制這件事情還有對外的窗口能不能一致並且回答問題這件事情呢不知道現在有什麼進展 |
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好謝謝委員的提醒我想我們在第一時間包括總統我們到現場去不僅是要鼓舞而已我們希望能夠達到實際所以我們那天去回來之後我就趁著這個我們工程會陳志偉再要過去的時候我特別請他你去看看那個重建辦公室到底有沒有發揮功能那巨大回報是有固定的人在那裡那我希望他那個功能能夠更具體我也特別要求我們所有的企劃加速核定所有補助都要如實到位 |
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總之我希望0403這個花蓮的震災 |
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謝謝部長,因為尤其是辦公室,現在這窗口已經有了,制度也有了,那要點可能要修得再更細一點,這是一定要做的。 |
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重點就是在回答問題的時候比如說有時候他在回答的時候他可能講說這可能是某一個部會的事那他變成又要再去另外一個部會問有時候很容易造成一些踢皮球的狀況那我覺得這個一直以來本來在官僚體制之下本來就會有這些情形但希望以後在震災的過程當中這個情形能夠慢慢的減少那接下來我想要問的往下是跟全民防衛有關又回到這個跟這個戰爭或者災害有關的議題 |
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全民防衛這邊我們辦公室做了一個圖 這個圖是針對捲動署他所提出來的要點跟計畫這是我們自己畫出來的 可以看到我們有一個動員準備綱領這個最高指導原則 然後接下來在這個比較深綠色的部分包含各式各樣不同的準備方案 然後每一個準備方案裡面又有很多子計畫 |
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那為什麼我要把這個全圖畫出來很大一個原因就是因為接下來也是要進入到預算會期。如果我們認為動員準備綱領這件事情、全民防衛這件事情是重要的。那接下來我們就是要看在每一個子計劃裡面他所稱要做的事情到底有沒有做到。預算有沒有編列。因為這樣才是人員有沒有到位。那如果沒有的話呢就表示這整個全民防衛沒有辦法達到功能嘛。 |
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那我今天只挑幾個比較小的地方來問。第一個我想要問的,想要問內政部,剛好這個部長上來了。我想要問內政部就是他是在右邊第二個這個人力動員準備方案。這一個呢,裡面的民防人力跟消防人力顯然跟內政部是最有關的。是的。 |
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那這邊呢我就有盤點這邊就放大就是內政部要做的落實民防人力的準備作業啊我知道從去年開始就有在做準備作業但是後續這個部分到底有沒有在進行呢接下來我想知道的事情是因為在上一任院長的那個施政報告有特別提到兩點一個就是這個進階防災室然後另外一個是這一個所謂的自主緊急應變隊 |
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謝謝。 |
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謝謝委員的關心,我們不只前任的院長,現在的卓院長也非常關心,所以我們到目前為止所謂的8000人是按照計畫來進行,譬如說今年的話,我們希望有2000人,也就是每一隊25人,然後能夠用這個災救的方式,不管是救人或是救護或是救援的方式都是在進行當中,而且到目前為止我們已經有培訓的總指教官大概是780人左右。 |
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好 謝謝部長那顯然有在進行的方向那接下來往後的一些規劃比如說他的課程的進行等等之類這個我就可能等到內政委員會的時候再來多做傾向我可以再補充一下就是防災室的部分在上一次我們的報告是25000人但是我認為他對於尤其是0403這個花蓮大地震之後 |
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對於大規模的災救的部分,我們依照這個防災法,我們希望防災室可以變成是大約總共可以訓練5萬人左右,那現在內政部正在規劃當中。好,謝謝部長,因為這就是跟剛剛講的進階防災室有更大的關聯,因為早期的防災室的訓練,更像是幫助自己比較多,幫助別人稍微少一點,但在進階的時候呢,它很像聯繫變多的時候,就可以做更多了。護住跟護救,對。 |
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接下來我想問國防部關於資訊相關的一個規劃,但因為時間的因素我可能這邊必須要先稍微跳過一下。那這邊是國防部的部分我就只好等到國防外交,反正我在國防外交,所以這個部分我可以晚一點再問。接下來我想要給院長看一個影片,那這邊可能要請勞動部。 |
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如果想保護身邊女生的,今年的選票一定要滲透。 我身旁居然有很多人不知道這件事的嚴重性。 現在抵達上的討論都已經炸開了。 但我看新聞媒體報警真的是少之又少。 好像因為選舉快到了,被刻意的壓了下。 |
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好那這一個影片其實非常重要的一點這個在看的過程這是一個印度移工之前的一個議題滿久以前的議題那其實他到底是真是假那個我覺得那是另外一件事情我們最主要不是在關切這一個而是從這個影片裡面大概就可以看到他的腳本是一模一樣的他的拍攝手法是一模一樣的他什麼時候插入圖片也是一模一樣的而這樣的影片是數以千計當時大量的在網路上被散佈 |
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除了這個移工相關的事情以外呢,後面等一下還有一個中選會的,但是我就以這個作為例子。簡單來講呢,這是一個龐大的一個網路社群的操作。至於它跟中國有沒有關,那是另外一件事情,但總之它是一個操作。那我想第一個問,如果說我們從認知作戰這個角度來講,如果今天這是一個國外的進攻,然後要來把這個大量的都散播,那請問勞動部現在如果要偵測這件事情,你們會有這個能力跟機制嗎? |
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我們可以儘速的澄清,可是如果就確認是否是認知作戰,這確實不是勞動部有能力做的,這可能要尋求跨部會的協助。這個部長這個回答其實非常的真實,就是第一個,我們對真實與否政府永遠都是第一時間可以馬上澄清,到底有沒有10萬啊,到底這個MOU是簽了沒有啊等等之類的。 |
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但是對於大規模的操作,這完全不是勞動部的職責。假設這個背後是解放軍在做,我相信勞動部裡面應該沒有人在做解放軍研究。但是這就是認知作戰第二個重要的部分,除了內容真實與否之外,重點是它的行為模式,它的腳本我們要怎麼去比對,然後我們內容要怎麼去做比對,然後它的手法是不是一致,這是很困難認定的事情。但現在我們的部會能夠做到這件事情的會有誰? |
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可能法務部有一個認知作戰中心,國防部裡面有新站,又或者述發部其實更有能力做嗎?因為這是跟影片跟資訊有關的一個比對。所以這邊要回到想要問院長就是說,如果我們今天認為這件事情是我們應該要應對的, |
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是。 |
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陳律師剛剛委員所提到那幾個部會他都有身負他的責任跟重大的責任那因為現在這種認識作戰的攻擊層出不窮而且數量非常的龐大那我們知道委員在防衛任性跟認識作戰上面是非常有專業的研究的將來我們在跨部會的過程當中我們也有政委可以來協助跨部會同時對這種不法的行為做一個比較完整的防衛作用當然各部會的努力還是要努力 |
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希望這邊之後可以去責成特定的一個比如說政委他去針對這件事情來做一個跨部會的協調。 不然能夠做這件分析的人不是沒有,但他太散了。 |
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而且他們對於中國的認識不一定足夠那他怎麼去協助農業部協助勞動部因為他們反而是常常假消息攻擊的對象那我覺得這件事情是非常的重要那最後我可能只有一點點時間我來提一下國民黨提出的這個國家安全戰略法這一個戰略法本身利益非常的良善它是跟行政機關的戰略提出有關但因為我們總統也有國家安全相關的要務所以這件事情我比較擔心也請行政院回去研議 |
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就是之後當今天我們要把這些戰略溝通相關的事項放在行政院體系之下變成質詢的對象,這到底是妥適還是不妥適?我認為這個值得討論。好,謝謝省委員,謝謝卓院長。下一位請萬委員美林質詢。 |
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萬國元豪 |
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院長好。 院長我想最近這幾天SRF在桃園的爭議您必定有關心。我想SRF直白的來講其實它就是一個燒垃圾。只是這個垃圾經過篩檢分類破碎再製成發電效率較高的燃料。 |
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那但是這幾天這三家SRF廠商進入陶科這個爭議鬧得沸沸揚揚的而且呢其實引起我們觀音人、桃園人其實非常的憤怒我相信這個院長有了解那這當然是因為在SRF的製程過程當中跟燃燒發電都可能會產生空污 |
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而我們政府其實尚未完成配套也沒有訂定嚴謹的標準跟法規那麼就強勢的要推這當然就是因為啊枉顧我們桃園市民的生命健康安全那當然我們全桃園市民會憤怒啊會無法接受啦那我想 |
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我相信他們有一定的專業也都是專家那不過我們來看這個事情最主要的今天本期來這邊跟您討論就是中央的態度前後的不一可以說是欺騙我們關於人欺負我們桃園人我們看到在選前 |
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我們中央是用推薦函的背書指導,讓我們當時的桃園市長鄭文燦,我想鄭市長其實他也不會不顧我們桃園市民反對的聲音,跟官員的生命健康。但是因為中央一直推薦函的背書指導,所以當時桃園市政府地方也採納專案來准許。 |
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可是我們看到在這個選舉期間中央主動的撤回了這個推薦函並且還強調請這個院長稍微聽一下並且還強調請桃園市政府本於全責就進入園區的許可建造史照以及空屋排放規範決定三家SRF廠商入園與否 |
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經濟部尊重市府依法行政的決定讓桃園市政府具以撤銷入園申請這個是當時我們自己經濟部撤銷了你們自己的推薦函那麼我們看到選後就是現在非常遺憾的那這個經濟部竟然撤銷了我們市府的處分讓我們這三家SRF廠商敗部不活 |
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我想這個過程我們桃園無法接受那我想請教一下這個院長當初為什麼我們經濟部要給三家SRF廠商推薦函為什麼? |
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報告委員因為SRF這是一個比較新的對廢棄物處理的方式我沒有外語方式我只想請教一下當時為什麼給他推薦函大家的這個認知有不同的角度跟內容所以當初或許是基於說請地方政府在多考量的過程當中但是那個函到底發生了什麼行政效果至少他現在已經不存在院長這是兩件事本期要問的是說那你為什麼要發這個推薦函給他 |
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經濟部只是推薦,何俊賢還是在桃園事件。因為他是一個能夠解決能源的問題。 |
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既然這麼好,在選舉的時候為什麼要撤回這個推薦函?為什麼?那你之前為什麼要推薦?你都知道主導權在桃園市政府為什麼要推薦?那推薦以後為什麼要撤回?那又為什麼要撤回? |
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因為決定是這個桃園市政府如果決定是桃園市政府你就不應該推薦嘛那你推薦又撤回選前你這個推薦選舉的時候你撤回那麼現在選後喔那你撤銷了這個桃園市政府的這個決定喔讓三家敗部復活我想請教一下現在院長跟經濟部你們的這個態度是什麼你們支持SRF這三家廠商進入桃園科那個觀音嗎 |
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兩點第一點經濟部應該對這個新的對廢棄物處理的方式能夠在做專業上的說明這是第一點第二點這應該是桃園市政府應該這樣他決定的結果之後應該跟民眾或是跟社會大眾做強而有力的說明 |
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院長你說這個我同意桃園市政府他會去說明而且他不斷的在說明他在地方上跟觀音跟里長跟這個觀音的民眾說過非常多次現在缺的是我們這個經濟部我們環境部我們這個行政院要怎麼樣來跟我們桃園市民做說明那我想其實在您左右不管是彭部長不管是我們的這個經濟部的這個郭部長 |
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你們兩位其實出入政壇,剛剛進入政壇,你們的專業其實大家都很相信。那今天本席要在這邊懷疑的是,到底是什麼樣的壓力讓你們背棄自己的專業?到底是什麼樣的壓力讓你們做成這樣的決定?這背後的黑手是什麼?我想我要求,院長您剛剛說得很好,要溝通。 |
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桃園市政府一直在溝通,那本席是希望你今天說清楚你的態度,你是不是支持SRF,那麼有沒有辦法在一個月之內把相關的這個法規或者相關的辦法制定嚴謹出來,然後再來三個月內我們可不可以把這個辦法制定出來之後,我們也到桃園跟到觀音來跟我們的市民做溝通,可以嗎? |
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委員報告一句話,我們沒有任何的壓力。桃園市政府本於職責他要去做任何的處理,應該好好的溝通。那至於一些專業上的問題,彭部長容許他說明。我想不需要啦。院長,你一直齁,今天在這裡回答就是說桃園市政府,桃園市政府。桃園市政府已經說了,在後續所有的把關他們都會做。但今天非常遺憾的是,你中央啊經濟部先發了這個推薦函,後又撤了推薦函。 |
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報告委員其實我們已經在進行當中了 |
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這個就是SRF我上個禮拜去觀賞看的我們進入下一題喔中央的態度反覆我們看得非常清楚了我們希望兩位的專業不要被政治給抹煞了我們絕對沒有接下來我想請教院長喔我想財化法這非常的重要喔那兩位部長請回喔那107年的時候院長知不知道啊賴清德總統擔任行政院長時有承諾要修財政收支劃分法你知道嗎我們來看一下影帶好不好 |
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好． |
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院長有看到嗎?那我想7年過去了那當時的這個賴院長現在也是賴總統了財政部在去年的10月就表示說已經著手在研修了那在上個禮拜前呢財委會也審查了各委員提案的版本那我想請教院長賴總統上任之後有沒有指示行政院要儘速來推動行政院的版本那來實現他的承諾目前修法進度到哪裡? |
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院長,所以呢你是準備讓賴慶德的這個證件跳票是吧? |
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委員應該知道推不動的原因很多 |
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除職分配、水平分配都有很大的問題。 可惜常常聽您在講除職分配、水平分配。 這個問題不是現在才在,我們要去克服它。 我想財政部去年的10月也說6月20日發文徵詢地方政府的意見。 那今年的5月,林慶煌次長也說財政部近期會召集地方政府來溝通意見在座。 但是感覺好像又是推給地方。 那我們知道上一次財化法修正已經是25年前了,民國88年。 |
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在修法之前各級政府的財政稅收中央跟地方大概是59比41可是修法之後我們看到中央的稅收比例是越來越高甚至於在111年高達了74%比26%這是稅收可是我們看到各級政府的稅出佔總稅出的比例修法之後中央並沒有因為收入變多而支出也增加 |
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但是地方需要做的事情越來越多也沒有因為收入降低而減少。 一樣看到111年中央地方稅數的進額比例來到了61%比39%。 院長這意味著什麼事情我覺得值得我們來討論一下。 簡單的下一個結論就是說今天中央拿了全國財政收入的74%。 |
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但是你只承擔了政府職能分工的61%可是地方只分了整個稅收的26%卻要分擔全國39%的事務我覺得這個數字非常的簡單所以也許您會說我有撥補地方那就特別奇怪了既然常常在撥補地方地方要養中央鼻息常常要錢那你有錢你為什麼不自己做既然要讓地方做那為什麼不在一開始做公平的分配 院長 |
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就是因為要做公平的分配,中央也負擔很多的重要的政務,比方說長照、前瞻、各個縣市的軌道工程、工建,中央都跟地方做了很多的密切的配合,這個也都落實在地方下面。 |
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那院長我想就以本席的選區桃園來說我們人口成長真的非常快速在六度當中我們已經是人口年增率第一了可是呢我們的統籌分配稅款卻是六度當中最低的那我覺得而且還不是今年最低是五年來它都是一直最低的所以對我們桃園來說非常的不公平啊桃園因為人口快速成長所以很多的重大建設也在做不管綠線捷運鐵路地下化等等都要錢啊所以我們看到臺南我就以臺南為例啊 |
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不管他的人口上繳中央的稅收都是最少的人口成長率是倒數第二但是他分配的這個稅收確實我們這個比桃園還要高我想我簡單的用這樣子來看所以我想我們在看到中央稅收已經連三年是超徵了那從110年到112年平均超徵都在4000億左右所以我們希望部長跟院長都能夠支持這個修法來減輕地方財政的一個負擔 |
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最後還有一個建議也讓院長聽聽看我想今年的4月份16個縣市包含直轄市的財政局處首長我們一起參與了一個財政收視劃分法修正案的共識會議在一個會議當中有兩個共識第一個全國稅收的比例他們希望從7比3調到6比4 |
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第二個中央能夠釋出6400億統籌分配款來給我們地方政府所以院長我想賴清的院長在當院長的時候有主張現在他是總統了經過7年了我們也不斷的跟地方再做一個溝通是不是能夠尊重在這個共識會議上面的大家的決議 |
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國務委員報告,我們有注意到您剛剛說的那個討論過程跟結論,那我是覺得往下要去做更精密的這個設計跟分配的時候,我們還要凝聚更多的共識,那這一點財政部有在努力。那個院長,凝聚更多的共識,你已經徵集地方還有凝聚共識7年的時間了。 |
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委員除了財政部去徵詢各地方政府有關分配指標之外其實您知道6月5號財委會也舉辦了公聽會 |
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有專家學者也有各地方政府來代表來其實那個意見還是很分析。第一個就是你大概是要把那一天的公聽會又要再講一次我想財政收支劃分法這個在地方上其實非常有共識我們希望能夠修法如果提不出行政院的版本那你就就我們很多委員提出的版本來做但是不要拖延不要延宕因為你延宕拖延只會讓賴清德總統的這個這個這個開的支票變成芭樂票 |
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所以我希望我還是要加速去演繹啊。那接下來我想我一樣再提到院長,院長剛剛本席有講到為什麼地方很需要經費。以本席的選區來講,我來討論一個鐵路地下化。我想這個鐵路地下化是延宕非常久了。它不只是我們桃園的重大建設,也是全國重大交通建設。那最新的進度跟發佈的情況院長有了解嗎? |
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有。 |
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江東部有跟您回報嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
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是有瞭解有瞭解嗎?好那我們現在土建標18標發基電標13標都還各有8個標沒有辦法發包所以我們在看到原本我們鐵路地下化說118年4月要通車而且這個118年已經是延宕再延宕了到118年但現在鐵道局在5月的時候又說 |
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因為路線要從平鎮往南延1.2公里到台66線還要補環差分析所以要兩階段通車可能要延到122年或123年目前的進度設定35%可是實際進度只有31%設定35%都已經很落後了但我們還比預定的進度再落後了4%所以院長現在我們桃園可以說是交通黑暗期 |
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你每延宕一天每落後一趴對我們來說都是苦不堪言所以現在桃園鐵路地下化通車還要再延四到五年是確實的嗎?目前評估是四年確實的嗎?只要告訴我是不是四到五年就好 |
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另外還有一個就是地方又提出要往南閃電 |
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我們交通部還有我們的這個環境部我們要加快腳步這一點本席在這裡拜託院長我們折成這個交通部跟環境部加速相關作業可以嗎?這個我們會請交通部盡速的把它審議完成再來一個非常重要的當然也跟我們財政有關係我們知道近年就是通膨所以整個工建經費上漲了大概平均25%所以桃園鐵路地下化目前整個招標的情況大概平均都是溢價122% |
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我們4月份這個交通委員會來本席這個選區考察的時候﹖也講到一個讓我們真的無法置信﹖只是說我們原來1048億的這個經費已經發報出去全數用完了﹖剛剛講到我們的這個進度只有31%錢全部用完了﹖這太可怕了﹖所以呢我們現在預估大概還要再700億的預算是對的嗎﹖還要再700億 |
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目前算是至10時。 目前是有這個。 還有這700億等於增加我們原預算的66%。 等於增加我們原預算的66%。 那超過原本總經費的一半。 那原本這個經費是前瞻計畫這個預算特別編列的。 那現在這700億要從哪裡來? |
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院長。 |
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所以董院長可以確保我們700億可以到位嗎? |
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你這樣講是不公道你講中央規劃比較好 |
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如果你都不聽問題你怎麼有辦法解決問題所以院長我們本來桃園市政府要負擔整個經費的25%大概是257億那現在在暴增的這個700億對我們桃園人來講如果營養要負擔25%是對地方一個很沉重的負擔所以本期希望院長能不能去考慮多增加這個700億中央能吸收我們就把它吸收不要造成地方負擔這個可以帶回去研議嗎 |
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會增加因為剛剛提到說很多原物料的上漲很多成本的增加跟原來的規劃我想不要把它劃成這樣的等號對我們同仁比較公平但是未來如何中央地方共同來把這個路線完成下來這絕對是一起努力的方向那經費預算的事項我想部裡面會再重新的規劃也請地方人跟中央的同仁 |
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院長本席今天建議的希望待會去研議那最後一樣是交通的問題我想從去年講到今年上一屆講到這一屆前一個部長講到這個部長都在談我們現在國道客運的班次因為司機員很缺乏那在本席的選區內不管是9023、9005等等好幾條國道這個客運的路線 |
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有的要停室,有的沒有班次每天早上本席大概6點左右來立法院的路上看到一站又一站都排了數十個人搭不上車所以我想這個院長我們現在缺司機員就像過去講的TPAS 1200上路以後有票沒車搭,有車沒人開這個問題一直沒有解決我們希望院長能不能上任之後來幫忙解決一下這個問題我們現在全國客運的這個駕駛大概缺4000人左右 |
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那交通部提出了這個擴大徵才方案以後其實後來我們發現這個人數不增反減還少了153人那整個我們這個達成的目標就是要召集這個客運跟遊覽車司機達成率也只有29%所以呢本期在這裡很簡單這一題就是我們希望再來研議看看怎麼樣可以讓我們的客運司機能夠再增加來到我們的需求數 |
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二、希望能不能部長在我們會後一個月內能不能到本席的辦公室來就我們桃園要跟這個臺北新北成為一個大生活共同圈我們的交通非常的重要國套客運怎麼樣增加這個班次怎麼樣優化他的班次時間那一個月內我們有案子之後請這個部長到我辦公室來說明可以嗎 |
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跟委員報告兩個具體一個是增加本國人司機交通部很努力已經增加到2700人另外移工的這個工作的家人員的家增加我們具有可行性的評估現在會朝這個方向去處理希望能夠留用移工的問題來做一個人力的補充 |
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這點我們要來努力啦好不好那接下來我一樣再來請教一下我想這要請衛福部部長、邱部長一起喔院長我想本期在2月份的時候兩位部長可以請回謝謝喔那本期在2月份的時候也曾經質詢過說護理師短缺的問題非常嚴重那但是我們夜班的這個加急金的這個獎勵金的這個制度啊出來以後還有三班戶必比上路的時候我本來以為應該可以舒緩這樣的一個這個問題喔 |
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但是實際的調查跟上週我們看到媒體的頭版有說因為護理室荒醫院在先關床潮可見這個問題的嚴重性一直還存在當然好像衛福部是有出來否認說這個關病床潮沒有那麼嚴重我們從這個總床數來看確實沒有太大的變化但是也沒有太大的改善 |
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所以1月到4月全國病床數從76696床降為76627床減少了69床但是據本席了解而且很真實的在這個醫療第一線很多的醫院要不就是機動性調整床位要不就叫做暫時性關床那有的礙於醫院的評鑑所以沒有通報地方的衛生局所以中央事實上是沒有掌握這個關床的黑數的這一點部長同意嗎? |
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您同意我剛剛以上的說法嗎?我應該很瞭解。所以其實急診室帶床的時間平均在兩到三天以上,或者是手術延後過不開刀,甚至於有護病品造假的問題其實都有。但是我覺得這些問題真的很嚴重,需要趕快來解決。我們再來看衛福部自己的統計。 |
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今年的這個1月到4月護理師職業的人數從19259人下降到189403人少了856人剛剛說床位少69而已但是我的人就少了800多我們就以大業的這個這個戶病比1比11、13或15啊你怎麼達成啊你剛剛說沒有關床的部分沒有人你怎麼開 |
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當然是。 |
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主席市長,去年11月你有說,你會研究我們白天班的工作繁重加擠,所以很棒,這代表你也知道他們工作繁重。那北市長請教一下院長,現在這個工作繁重加擠進度到哪裡?什麼時候會給予?現在在演繹中,我是不是請部長來說?好,那剛剛委員報告,那工作繁重加擠的這一個部分我們正在規劃設計,我預計大概在下半年就可以開始實施。下半年一定會做嗎?會。 |
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會一定會會好很好當時我就大大的稱讚我們陳建仁院長跟薛樂園次部長喔好但是我們來看喔夜班獎勵金的三級制的落差之前我們一起討論過嘛所以呢在本期的呼籲呢大家一起喔來幫忙喔所以衛福部拉近了我覺得這非常好基層的這個護理師大家都覺得很棒喔那值得肯定 |
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但是剛剛我們也看到了我們關於我們白班護理師的工作繁重加急因為我們也知道其實白班的事情也非常的多很多人不是不願意值夜班不是怕累而是有時候他有家庭要顧不得已但是你現在夜班 |
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拜班護理師工作繁重佳績 |
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是,包括三班互併比達成醫院的獎勵跟繁重加擠,白班繁重加擠這兩項都已經是衛福部積極在檢討跟處理當中了。那什麼時候可以開始發? |
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好,因為這個要牽涉到大概白班裡面其實也分為好幾種,那所以我們很誠意的會找護理相關的團體做下來,來看看怎麼樣做,來能夠達到大家的期望。好,那下半年度會來發放白班護理師工作反動加急,這個承諾會不會跳票? |
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這個我們請衛福部,他一定要跟護理師的團體去做很好的溝通,再求一個公平的計算。 院長,上一次我在這裡質詢的時候,我相信陳建仁院長跟薛院長不是亂答的,他也不是沒有溝通過的。 我們就在這個基礎上繼續走啊。 如果政府的政策是延續的,我們下半年度可不可以兌現這個承諾。 我們一定延續政策,來做最周全的規劃。 好。 |
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我想我們要積極啦好不好那我想不管是我們白班的工作朋友加急還有我們有一個三班戶必比達標的時候要給的獎勵到現在也沒給對不對所以本期在這裡要求院長部長我們要體恤我們護理師真的非常非常辛苦要把他們留在我們這個一屆的第一線我們要給他更好的保障讓他們覺得有被重視到讓他們覺得他們是付出是值得的 |
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所以拜託我們白班的這個工作盤通加急跟三班互併比達標的這個獎勵金在今年的下半年度一定要做到三個月之內能不能給本席一個答覆 |
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那三個月之內一定要把你們準備怎麼做,那一個案子出來好不好?給三個月的時間在地方溝通很夠了,因為這個是政策延續的,可以嗎? |
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我們請部裡面一定要詳細評估到最後,三個月當中告訴我一個進度。好,謝謝院長。那最後,一樣本席要來為我們桃園來請命。我想剛才有提過嘛,就是桃園其實是一個人口成長最快速的一個城市。 |
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首先我想要先謝謝我們院長,特別謝謝部長。桃園現行的兩個次醫療區,我們一直在爭取要能夠調整。這一次衛福部也調整了我們現在變成三個次醫療區。另外也謝謝政策是延續的,所以之前行政院合定要補助我們桃園部立醫院規劃興建第二醫療大樓。 |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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﹚議員 |
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指說要補助27億只佔這整個工程總經費的31%所以算一下有高達59億的缺口當然這個之前的衛福部有說要由這個醫療作業基金來支付但是我們非常擔心這會排擠到部桃各項其他醫療還有相關營運的這個費用所以院長怎麼看這件事 |
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對部桃他是國家很重要的醫療機構那麼對人力的補充我們已經核定了529名的增額在這個人力上面那至於新建一個醫療大樓那是非常大的一件事情那中央在財政的考慮上面一定有一套機制跟地方跟醫院來做合理的分配那如果都要中央的話那就是回到剛剛第一次 |
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委員所說的,那中央要有能力,就天災地變實際需要公共建設、社福、長照等等,中央維持這樣的財政機能力才有辦法處理,所以這要從長期。所以啊本席也沒有說這85億全部要中央付嘛,但是如果你只這個撥補27億,對部桃來講這個壓力太大太沉重了喔,所以我想這個部長...他絕對是有一個計算的標準。對,我想所有的相關的意願大概都補助跟自籌,或者用自己的基金去 |
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部長,您現在回答這些其實本席也了解,但是我只是要跟院長講說,沒有錯我們有醫療作業基金,我們有智商系的相關,但是一開始我們其實部長就是拿一筆錢出來,而且 |
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﹚新屋﹚ |
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院長在這邊我要拜託您 |
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但我也要請求我們的部長來自於我們醫界知道部立桃園院對全國對桃園的重要那能夠在這一次第二醫療大樓你核准了我們桃園人非常的感謝但是呢能夠加速這個第二醫療大樓成立所以經費補助很重要那是不是能夠啊對於我們成立以後桃園多400床病床新屋多300床病床所以27億的錢真的不夠拜託院長能夠給部桃更多的支持好嗎 |
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中央一定在現有的財政機制底下,以考慮地方的發展而進行的優先處理。好,謝謝。好,謝謝萬委員。也謝謝卓院長。報告院會上午質詢到此為止。本次會議未有委員提出臨時提案,就不進行臨時提案之處理。下午2點30分繼續開會進行質詢,現在休息。 |
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報告院會現在繼續開會進行質詢。那報告院會我們現在在議場二樓旁聽的是內湖高中的同學。我們在此表示歡迎他們的參訪。我們現在請吳委員配議質詢。 |
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謝謝主席,我請行政院卓榮泰院長請卓院長備詢 |
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委員好 院長好我們相當的關心立法院前陣子沒有討論就來通過了國會擴權法案所以行政院也依法來提出復議案那今天賴清德總統也已經核定了復議案的生效所以我想請問院長因為賴清德總統也說他希望呢朝野各政黨能夠再次的審慎來檢視此案院長 |
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你認為要再加強溝通嗎? |
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是賴總統一定是很審慎的評估過整個復議案的內容他認為這個時候如果能夠給 |
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大院這一次的審慎這個條文的內容那麼經過更民主的對話應該是人民可以更了解整個法案的內容所以我願意朝這個方向跟大家一起來努力是我也認為我們應該要用我們最大的誠意來加強溝通那不只是立法院裡面朝野要溝通 |
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行政院跟社會大眾也要溝通,很多的民眾經過這段時間看到了10萬人上街頭,看到了新聞每天的報導,都相當的關心立法院通過國會擴權法案對一般民眾會有什麼樣的影響。 行政院為什麼提出復議案,我也希望行政院能再加強跟社會大眾的溝通說明可以嗎? |
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是的,我們在副議案提出的公文當中我們已經詳細的寫清楚了幾大的理由我相信這個已經社會上已經引起了討論那我們這個討論希望落實在條文裡面大家再一一的去檢視。謝謝委員院長,前面今天也質詢了一段時間上午我看到因為我們在野黨的委員非常的關心一直在詢問你說黃仁勳執行長來到台灣他說台灣是世界上非常重要的國家所以國人都很關注 |
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到底要去哪一個夜市? |
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要在哪裡設場? |
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那我們在野黨的委員一直非常關注詢問你說, 欸院長你有沒有跟黃仁勳執行長餐敘吃飯啊? |
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所以院長你們有吃飯嗎? |
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謝謝委員。 早上葛如君委員在這樣詢問的時候啊, 我們的國發主委他是談到說 |
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談事情比較重要吃飯不重要那我是接著主委的話講我是認為說一樣的我們是在怎麼樣對台灣的產業界有幫忙所以我是說我跟產業界其他的朋友有見過面倒是跟黃榮興總裁我們並沒有逛過夜市吃過飯見過面倒是沒有 |
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是我想AI產業的發展我們政府要做的是站在產業的背後當他們最大的後盾因為我在教育文化委員會所以我們跟國科會一直在關切最重要的是我們的AI基本法草案要趕快提出來 |
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目前國會會承諾我們10月份草案就會提出。 院長我們能不能再次承諾AI基本法草案我們趕快提出來由政府來做產業的後盾來加強台灣AI產業在世界上面競爭的優勢。 我們是不是一定可以做得到? |
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我們在AI基本法草案裡面時程已經在進行那幾個重點包括我們強調人類的自主包括飲食權人格權以及不歧視等等同時我更希望AI的創新我們還要加兩個字是民主AI的創新 |
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是站在維護人權保障民主更維護個人隱私的這個強度上面去而不是用AI去侵犯人權破壞人權破壞整個社會的安定我覺得這個是在我們倡導AI創新當中必須去堅持的是AI的法規國際上面已經開始進行台灣也千萬不能落後那接下來跟院長關心的是都市更新因為台北市的老房子已經全國最多很多人以為是台南其實不是就在我們台北 |
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那前陣子花蓮發生地震之後就在我的選區南機場的社區老舊公寓一整排的 |
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是非常破損的非常嚴重那祭司公會第一天就趕快來到現場第一天是貼出了紅單過幾天轉為黃單那首先我要非常的感謝因為當時內政部住都中心還有我們正在基金會都到現場來協助我們目前我們中央補助了我們臺北市由花蓮地震之後正在的補助補助了8000萬那我一直在跟市政府討論要趕快來把這些補助 |
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臨時提案委員 |
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這個9號基地已經把它合定要來作為社會住宅那未來也就可以來工作我們南機場都更時的中繼站 |
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督根的中繼站非常的重要,所以臺北市的副市長李時川副市長他也說臺北市過去一直碰到問題就是督根的當中比較弱勢的民眾沒有地方可以去搬遷,所以倘若有中繼站會讓我們很多卡關許久的督根案會有一個契機有機會往前走,所以我也希望院長未來以我們這次南機場的為例 |
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由中央來協助地方政府,我們一起來討論合作,是不是找到土地找到空間,來協助提供都更的中繼站,讓它成為一種模式,我們是不是可以來跟地方政府來討論看看有沒有相關的需求,可以用什麼樣的方式來進行合作。 |
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21995.379 |
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好我請劉部長來說明一下細節的問題謝謝吳委員您在4月的時候就已經舉辦這樣的說明會但是現在最大的這個關鍵點在於說都更的進度跟我們這個設宅的進度能不能完全配合因為我們所了解要舉辦臺北市要處理的這個公辦都更的程序啊 |
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﹚ |
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這個關鍵點是在這兩個房子能不能同時接的上去,如果接不上去的話,空有美意大概也沒辦法完全執行。 所以院長就是今天我一定要在此提出來就是中央跟地方的溝通討論很重要。那我希望我們的這個合作是可以跨越黨派的,只要民眾有需求,中央我們不管在土地、在資源、在協調、行政協調方面,有辦法協助我們都盡量來協助,多跟地方來討論好不好。 |
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謝謝委員我始終覺得任何的改革跟進步是要為大多數人謀幸福但過程也不能忽略了不要造成少部分人的痛苦所以這兩相平衡我們務必要做到 |
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好謝謝那接下來呢要跟院長討論是我覺得非常重要的是我們的國軍改革我們的國防部長部長上任不到一個月那提出了很有亮點的國軍改革那我自己沒有當過兵但我非常多的朋友一直在傳那個訊息給我說終於等到這一天啊院長我想先請問你你覺得我們這一波國軍改革當中你覺得最有感的是哪幾項 |
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這也是一種進步我們請顧部長來用他一種不一樣的思維來給國軍進行新的一個面貌比方說他提出的這個刺槍 |
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對國軍弟兄的家庭的照顧要能夠更周全,對他的甚至出國的旅遊我們更放寬。我想顧部長都有相當整套而且完整的做法,很值得大家肯定跟擊掌。 |
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跟委員報告,我想主要是重點是在於強調實戰化的訓練,那不合乎實戰化訓練的這個部分呢,我們就會加以考量用檢法的方式來加以匯除。那傳統的那個刺槍術呢,比較屬於形式主義跟表演性質的部分,我們會把它拿掉。 |
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我們有一個基本訓練的科目叫做近戰格鬥,那不管是用槍用刀或者是用木棍來從事這個近戰格鬥是我們仍然會維繫的,但是重點是在強調實戰化的訓練,那有關於放寬這個出國的這個有關一定要參加團課這個部分,因為自由行的限制, |
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刺槍術、踢正步 |
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過去是威權象徵成分居多,實際提升軍力成分少,我們把它取消。然後我們現在過去官兵休假期間要回報,我們都知道這不合理的規定最後變成大家都在演戲。 |
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大家搶著閉眼鏡,然後士兵出國現在可以自由行,不可以的規定把它改掉,但最重要的就是部長你講的,我們要實戰的需求,必須是在我們實務上面有需要的我們來規範,但不需要的過去這些承惡已久的形式主義,你說還有其他的項目我們就用檢法來把它取消掉,所以未來我們這種破除 |
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對,我們每一項檢討,如果它是不符合實戰化訓練的要求,不符合我們聯合作戰的人力的提升的這個部分,我們都可以想辦法把它一一的剪除掉,然後來加強戰訓的本務。 |
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軍人重點是戰訓的本物要加強,讓他的戰鬥的技能能夠提升。 |
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好謝謝部長 院長我想任何一項改革壓力都會有壓力也會很大但是國軍改革破除形式主義以實戰需求為主這是一個國際的標準那國人也相當支持你們請你們務必要堅持繼續下去好不好是的好謝謝那接下來是這個院長我們賴清德總統是狗派蕭美琴副總統是貓派不知道你有沒有也飼養犬貓的經驗呢 |
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我曾經也養過狗。你也養過狗,你也是狗派。我也養過貓。那我們農業部上個月發布一項數字,在統計我們全國家犬家貓飼養的數量。那這個寵物狗呢是148萬隻,較前一年增加了兩成。 |
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那養貓的這個數量呢是131萬隻成長的數量非常驚人比前一年增加超過五成也就是毛小孩的數量在臺灣我們是持續攀升而且是短時間之內增加幅度很大的那也就是相關的納管肯定就會成為一個新的需求那前陣子我收到很多事主的陳情家裡有養貓的 |
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﹚ |
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也就是說法規不足讓民眾沒辦法消除疑慮甚至產生更多的擔心我舉一個例子為什麼法規需要加強例如我們寵物食安的通報機制我們有沒有明確的SOP來分中央跟地方的權責例如我們該檢驗哪些項目 |
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那我們採的是哪一套的國際標準,多少的時間要來轉動式檢討。再來我們地方的動保機關在接到檢舉之後有沒有去稽查。那查了飼料廠之後有沒有去追蹤溯源飼料廠的上游廠商。 |
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這過去我們在人的食安管理當中這幾年我們已經有相當大制度的進展跟改革了但是我們看到寵物食品的食安管理顯然還沒有跟上時代的需求那其實呢臺灣的寵物食品管理專法的立法討論20年前就開始了2004年當時發生了保祿事件有將近8500隻的狗狗因為問題的飼料疑似產生腎衰竭的死亡 |
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就很多的民間團體開始在倡議我們需要立專法來管理讓我們的寵物食品安全能夠有效被規範但是很遺憾的是20年過去了我們還沒有開始啟動立法的工作在日本已經有寵物食品專法加拿大有動物健康法所以今天我想要請問院長的是 |
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我們等這一句話已經等了20年了。我們今年度我們可不可以來啟動寵物食品管理專法的立法作業。 |
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趕緊來召開公聽會,瞭解需求,開始啟動立法作業。 |
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我跟委員做一個補充,就是整個的這個寵物食品大概我們未來會從溯源的部分去著手,然後包括進口的寵物的食品跟食品,包括國產的寵物食品,從製造到甚至於消耗也會進行。院長,最後30秒的時間我必須要請教你,因為我非常的關心我們的體育署要升格為體育部,這也是我寫在選舉公報上的政見。院長你也說要 |
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中央機關組織基準法就行政院二、三級機關已經滿了但我們希望跟大院一起來努力把這個這個情況能夠把它打破掉讓我們能夠增加社會上大家 |
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22564.004 |
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22564.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
議員長、經財委員長、 |
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臨時會議 |
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好,謝謝吳委員、謝謝左院長。下一位請王委員、洪威質詢。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
卓院長 |
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院長,其實我們在政治上有時候謠言實在是太多,就如同剛才在講到的這個體育部升格,這個部分事實上在野黨也都有共識的,沒有主黨修法,對不對? |
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我們一定一起來努力打了促成。 對,所以在野黨其實是有共識的沒有主黨修法所以真的有太多的謠言另外就是今天中午總統府有發布新聞說總統已經正式的合可了復議案那麼院長我想請問一下你覺得你是AI內閣還是烽火內閣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
22704.581 |
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我們是行動創新內閣。 行動創新AI內閣。對不起我忘了把我的板子拿過來等一下。 院長我為什麼要問你這句話?也就是倒過來。 委員反而。 謝謝你我剛沒有看到。 |
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好,也就是其實我們都會期待新的內閣上來,他應該有很多的新的政策、新的願景。但是呢,非常遺憾的是,其實院長還沒有到立法院來報告之前,就說要對立法院提出復議案。 這個在過去的政壇是非常非常少見。 |
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因為提復議案就是非同小可的事情,更何況一個新的內閣剛剛上任還沒有到立法院就提復議案。另外我為什麼要講說我非常遺憾我們的內閣本來應該充滿期待的行動創新AI內閣為什麼變成處處瘋火了呢? |
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前陣子有關於我們臺北市警察局長的任命在上週我們也有委員在詢問在整個的任命過程裡面溝通之間竟然出現了就是問你要咖啡呢還是茶結果呢我們臺北市說要咖啡就你給了茶在這個過程裡面細耍臺北市首都市長 |
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然後最後造成這樣的不快雖然其實臺北市還是非常大氣的完全接受了李希和局長而且呢也沒有我們這個蔣國安市長也沒有拒絕去參加他的就任典禮但是呢這樣的溝通不應該是一個卓榮泰院長所領導內閣發生的事情您同不同意 |
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謝謝委員。委員一開始說不希望謠言造成傷害。那我覺得這個就不要造成傷害。第一個,我一直到收到大約的來文之後才說我要提出復議。在之前我都沒有說要提出復議。我都說這是法律給憲政機關的救濟。我沒有說要提出復議。我說你還沒有到我們立法院來做施政報告之前就提出說要提出復議。我沒有說要提出復議。我說要憲政機關。 |
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第二個,剛剛第二個問題,這個內政部劉部長當天也就說明清楚了,這個溝通的過程不是像剛剛委員所陳述的是在外面大家講的那個狀況。這個是確實的,其實我有跟萬安市長有查證過。 |
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我另外要講的當然那個部長上來其實我要講的不只是臺北市還有最近這兩天發生的在桃園的也就是我們經濟部去否決了撤銷了桃園市對於三家固體再生燃料發電廠的一個許可案 |
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這個也在地方上造成非常大的爭議,因為地方的民眾本來就是認為這是一個高污染的一個廠商。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
那所以在這個案子裡面其實之前經濟部是撤銷了推薦函因為本來是推薦後來撤銷了這個推薦函所以我們不能理解的是如果你經濟部都不願意推薦的廠商一個高污染的廠商結果你現在逼著地方政府要硬吃下來這什麼道理呢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
這會不會太惡霸呢?跟委員再次澄清沒有任何人去逼地方政府一定要吃下哪些個案子那這個事情推薦函的始末是不是部長能夠說得清楚?我沒有時間在聽你的始末因為有沒有你們有沒有撤銷推薦函? |
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| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
而經濟部之前是有? |
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是,所以經濟部不推薦這些廠商,但是呢,當桃園市政府根據經濟部不推薦,然後撤除了,廢除了這三家廠商的一個許可之後,你們又做成了撤銷桃園市政府的一個這個撤銷許可案。 |
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我必須說呀這樣的狀況其實從臺北市警察局長案或者是現在桃園的srf案這是一個高污染的廠商難道地方政府沒有權利去決定嗎所以院長我在這邊要整個的來跟你討論我們希望看到的新的內閣他要有新的願景新的政策大家對你們期待很深 |
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可是我們這我們你上任幾天了20多天了嘛對不對20多天我們可以看到所有的新聞焦點集中在復議案集中在臺北市警察局長的這個爭議案現在這兩天又集中在桃園市srf所以院長啊 |
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我真的覺得你是這樣的人嗎? |
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因為我集中在打詐釋法跟盜安的問題我們都一一在解決 這個是多方面的進行 打詐釋法我們會支持 打詐釋法其實我今天沒有時間 還有剛剛這個體育局運動發展部 這個大家都來支持 那社會會看到的就是這些 就不是謠言 就不是錯誤的路程 |
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在我有注意到過去民視臺灣演藝曾經對你個人有一個人物的特寫報導政壇大師兄他是怎麼來形容你呢他說你身段柔軟、善於調和鼎爛而且是民進黨黨內輩分高、分量重的人物被尊稱為大師兄 |
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最重要的是你身段柔軟,調和頂難。 所以,院長,這個介紹的是你嗎?節目中有這樣講,但是身段如何,大家要互相彼此尊重,調和要大家能夠互相理解,否則身段再軟,那這是委屈。 |
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院長你還是你嗎?是你轉性了還是說今天是因為你執行了賴總統的意志呢? |
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每個人有自己的信念跟價值但是在政治工作上我們有一定的政策那我是不是我委員可以繼續觀察我特別要講其實不要不能做自己其實那個部長經營部長您可以先回座待會我會再跟你討論這個有關能源的問題我覺得一定要做自己才能夠做得好好那我想也請國防部長還有我們的海委會主委也能夠到台前來 |
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昨天端午節但是發生了一個大家覺得蠻不可思議的事情這個事情就是一輛從福建的快艇而且這個開船的人根據媒體形容是將近60歲也不是什麼年輕力壯的小夥子 |
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一路的開,開到了我們的淡水漁人碼頭。在這個過程裡面呢,他還衝,就是撞到了我們的交通船。 |
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這個引起社會嘩然大家覺得我們首都的防衛圈怎麼會這麼的輕率的就讓一個所謂的平民老百姓駕著快艇一路暢行無阻的跑到我們的漁人碼頭而且他上岸之後還告訴路人說我要投奔自由你可以報警 |
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這不是很扯嗎?這真的是比扯鈴還要扯的事。好,我要請教這個管碧玲主委。今天早上您回答媒體說承認有疏失。那而且呢,你們說下午也會要開人評會。那看起來呢,你們會有懲處。但是,我要請問的是,這個事件這麼樣的離譜, |
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難道責任只有第一線的同仁嗎?主委你自己完全沒有任何的政治責任嗎?因為呢在今年二月才剛剛發生驚嚇的這個撞禪事件所以我們 |
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海巡署到底他執法的標準是什麼?他可以在我們的金夏海域覺得你是非法的那個越線來捕魚,所以我就是直接去執法。然後這個事情是直接六海裡看到了,然後還是沒有任何的動作,直接讓他上岸。 |
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所以我剛才特別講說,因為他曾經衝撞過交通船。老師說啦,他就算不是中共清台的一個採卸團,如果他是自殺炸彈客呢?如果這個會議裡面裝有這些爆裂物呢? |
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他跟我們交通船插帳之間不會發生什麼事故嗎? |
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如果發生事故請問你,你的這個主委你還可以安坐在這裡嗎? |
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所以我要請問主委,難道你個人沒有政治責任嗎? |
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這件事情我們的海委會海巡署到底發生什麼事情? |
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為什麼會連續今年出現這兩個事件呢? |
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跟委員報告這是兩個完全不一樣的事件。9號發生的這件事情我們在6海里的地方因為它是非常小的一艘小艇大概只有9公尺長像這樣的小艇我們在6海里處就能夠被我們的雷達鎖定那麼雷達確實是靈敏的所以我們的系統並沒有出問題但是在白天 |
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以這樣的速度是往港口裡面進來的時候我們的雷超手根據他們的經驗他們沒有把它當作是偷渡的行徑一般偷渡是會往岸際去躲藏而這一艘船是在大白天要進港 |
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所以第一時間誤判為是返港的漁船。報告委員他們一路監控,但是是以返港漁船的方式監控,所以會發生這樣的事情。到六海里才發現。六海里的時候是一個光點,是雷達上看到的光點,沒有影像。我們這條船,看左邊的圖,這條船你可以看黃線,它後來的路徑是到了碼頭,然後上岸。 |
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那麼如果按照剛才這個主委所講的,他可以一路長驅直路啊,因為你看到是一個小光點嘛。 然後呢,你們也有這個守望哨,也沒有做任何的動作。 |
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報告委員,我們需要熱相儀來協助,我們非常需要熱相儀來協助,因為熱相儀可以有影像,就不可以有這樣的誤判。所以主委,發生這個事情,東怪西怪。第一個,人平會是不是要懲處?懲處不是就是第一線的同仁嗎? |
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不過委員,如果你有聽到我的說法,幹部事情處分,我有同意。 這件事情我們確實需要警惕,有警惕的部分當然該懲處就要懲處。 |
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但是要解決問題,解決問題需要的是科技府協議。如果說這個主委永遠都沒有責任,我們不曉得下一次事件在哪裡,那我請問一下部長啊。部長,我們一直在講說首都防衛圈嘛,首都防衛圈,而且我們漢光演習不止一次的 |
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在淡水河去做演習,最主要就是要反斬首行動。 我們都在那邊演習,而且我們台北現在也要增加憲兵的人數,就是要固守有關於首都的一個防衛。 這件事情,新任的國防部長,我不曉得有沒有跟你有做軍情報告。 |
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這件事情你覺得要如何防範呢?演習是假的嗎?跟委員報告因為這一個單一的快艇在平時的時候是由海巡所的岸基雷達來掌握海上的情質那國軍是依照海巡的需求提出資源的需求來派遣 |
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國防部長 |
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你們現在的評估我相信你們也要緊急就算你早上都坐在這邊要備詢你們的評估這個事件這麼單純嗎還是真的有可能是一個中共清台的一個測試我們沒有辦法排除這可能是一種灰色地帶的洗澡那以後要如何防範呢今天我想剛剛主委也特別提到了我們事實上 |
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其實我早先在國安會的時候我們也討論到了,除了岸基雷達之外,熱像儀的這個部分也是在我們討論的範圍之內,所以這個部分都要構置來加強。那至於我們在應急作戰階段的這個防衛部署,我想我可能沒有辦法在這邊跟委員透露。 |
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報告委員都有著急 |
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院長 |
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院長剛才說得很好 |
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要杜絕發聲我覺得各部會的首長也要把責任擔起來不要每次發生類似的狀況這是灰色地帶這是突發狀況這狀況跟之前狀況不一樣如果說未來的懲處每一次懲處只有第一線的話那麼這個是非常不合理的事情所以院長報告委員我早上說的是幹部幹部跟我自行處分我同意了 |
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你自己怎麼不處分自己呢?另外我想請教的這個國防部長,部長我們現在就是美國軍售的延宕是一直大家一直在討論的事情而且希望解決的事情。部長請問一下,現在美方軍售臺灣延宕的金額已經到多少了?您知道嗎? |
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我想詳細的數字我這邊沒有辦法跟委員做一個確實說明,我們留置在那邊的應該是累積到多少?你總是要有個大概數吧?你又不是成員新手嗎?大概數,好跟委員講,因為個別的項目不宜細談,大概數大概191美元左右。 |
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191億美元是好這個你是停留在今年年初的時候因為事實上呢經過了4月5月好像到6月其實呢這個軍售的金額是正在增加中那麼美國智庫卡托研究所他最近5月6月他都有公佈他的公佈的金額事實上已經達到197億 |
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因為他說在這個5月份開始呢又有這延宕的那所以這一再的延宕當時國防部也說就是我想您也去過美國很多次那麼事實上呢也希望美國的國會後來我們組成所謂的老虎小組 |
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部長應該知道吧,老虎小組是Tiger Team對,那請問一下老虎小組成立之後對於我們的軍售的交付有沒有達成任何的進度從成立以來到現在有沒有因此而使得這個交付能夠如期然後他有達成任務的有沒有 |
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跟委員報告我覺得可以公開的資訊比如說今年年底以前我們會接受38輛M1A2的戰車 |
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那麼今年應該F16的原型機會出來,通過飛行測試之後,我們寄望在2026年的年底之前,66架可以全部交運。我知道這個是因為這個F16要明年就是2026年會全數交機嘛,那200架,當然這個還有待會會討論到。對,一共我們會全部66架,我們一共會達到200架。好,所以我要講的是 |
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我們有關於軍售的延宕我希望我們的國防部甚至外交部都要更積極呀都要更積極否則這個老虎小組老虎沒有發威的話那就算你是老虎小組飛龍小組什麼樣小組 |
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跟委員報告,我們現在朝另外兩個,第一個就是可能的一個 |
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共同生產的這個方向來進行。共同生產?所以呢他沒有交付給我們的改成在臺灣生產?我想這個跟我們既定的軍售案沒有關係,這個主要是為了因應未來比如說AI用在軍事方面,然後還有無人載具等等的部分。不過你講的是兩碼是吧? |
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就是有一些武器在臺灣生產,我跟美國去買,然後他到現在還沒有交付給我的,這應該是兩碼事吧?報告委員,容我說一句話,這也許牽涉到很多的國際情勢的問題。當國際有一些重大的軍事活動在進行的時候,會影響到我們的時間。 |
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但是我是覺得細節的問題,我們也不要因為在這裡談到太多時程細節,這樣是不是會增加其他的困擾,我想可以跟部長再去了解。 我還要了解,部長應該要了解,我的重點是,我從頭到尾都是問overall的事情。 |
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我沒有問哪一個對不對我沒有問單一的這個品項我要講的是有關於經受延宕案我們也付錢了也同意要賣給我們了那就不應該一直的累積197億已經將近200億了這當然應該要解決明年跟後年是我們軍頭的付款的高峰期我相信這個金額會大幅的在明後年大幅的下降 |
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我大概只能跟您說明到這個地方這樣子我們希望今年其實就應該有一些成果那個我請那個我們經濟部長我剛剛就說我要問部長 |
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好部長請問一下因為您是從業界轉到官場跟這個院長不一樣他是長久在官場你上任20幾天你覺得你有沒有適應官場的文化你覺得有沒有適應的問題漸漸可以適應漸漸適應剛開始不適應有沒有一種感覺就是不能講真心話的感覺你來自業界嘛應該是講業界的聲音 |
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有沒有我們都是在講真心話那可是你這個有關核電研議的說法一遍再遍都是真心話嗎報告委員都是真心話你都是真心話雖然可能這個時間點不一樣你說的話不一樣那請問一下部長因為你是來之前大家說你是百億CEO你覺得你在這個位置上可以做多久你有沒有預期你可以做多久好像這一任是四年嘛 |
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請珍惜如果你真的準備做四年,因為我本來會覺得你大概可能很快會陣亡,但是你既然要做四年,這四年就非常的重要了。 |
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副長我記得在經濟委員會我有問過你就是有關於臺灣的供電的這個需求那麼其實你那時候有講你認為在2025年到2028年會出現AI產業的大爆發所以呢我們的這個電力需求量就會大幅的增加那麼你那個時候甚至講說可能還不排除要蓋一個新的電廠 |
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而且我當時問你的時候我就說那麼你會不會排除核電廠你說沒有在你的腦子裡面你覺得這個電廠你並沒有完全去排除核電廠好這個時間暫停一下我也請我們的國發會主委劉主委還有我們的國科會吳主委免得你們坐在那邊怕你們要打瞌睡這麼重要的問題請你們一起來參與 |
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好部長兩位主委我們有關於AI電力的這個供需你知道在去年的時候啊臺電就是我們的有關於能源電力的需求原來的估計呢是年供需就是需求增加2%左右 |
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但是到今年因為你們喊出AI產業了嘛所以他把它變成3%可是我讓你看一下在日本日本政府最新的預估他們也認為在AI產業鏈的一個剛性需求帶動下到了2050年日本的電力需求將增加多達50%他們擴大發電廠是勢在必行這是日本 |
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韓國的貿易跟工業部他草擬了一個第11個基本電力計畫他目標到2038年要建造三座的大型核電廠還有一座小型的SMR這個其實過去大家也談過了那所以他們的目標是在2038年他70%的電力就要來自於無碳能源所以 |
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委員長,你認為在我們2023到2028進入,2025到2028進入了這個AI產業大爆發,我們台電這樣的這個評估,足夠嗎?電力足夠嗎?以目前的這個我們所得到的訊息是足夠的。好,那我來問一下我們的主委,我們 |
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國發會主委,主委當時在跟媒體查序的時候你說,我覺得你蠻好的,你要求臺電能夠去估算我們要發展AI產業需要多少電力。那我想請問一下主委,如果日本跟韓國 |
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報告委員我的看法是2050年是一個預計值 |
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離現在大概至少有50幾年以上的歷史,所以這個預估是很難判斷他是對或錯。我們百分之三會不會太保守,好直接講,百分之三會不會太保守,放諸四海。這個數字其實我有參與過經濟部的會議,那他們是很認真的在評估,也從產業拿到很多的質詢,所以我的意見是跟郭部長是一樣的。 |
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跟郭部長一致所以呢經濟部的我們郭部長說這個評估是OK的我剛才講嘛你要做4年喔這要檢驗4年其實喔我真的覺得當院長當到部長是很不容易的事情部長我直接說如果我剛才要給你一點時間讓你看你們講一些真心話 |
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你們這三位都不是死抱住反核神主牌的如果你們在這個位置上 |
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一年過去了你會發現沒有什麼不一樣的話其實郭部長我也會覺得讓王美花繼續來當這個部長也沒有差啊幹嘛要換郭志輝呢幹嘛要換企業的聲音呢剩下最後一點時間兩個很重要的委員一句話郭部長除了穩定供電之外他有很多創新的理解沒錯沒錯但是我們可以讓他好好的發揮他在產業界的經驗進到這個部長裡面文化來他也有他應該有的表現 |
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來自企業界,企業界願意來做這個部長,你就要讓他能夠真正的發揮他的專業。如果他來自企業,不能講企業界的聲音,不能講企業界的看法,找他來幹嘛呢?我就說王美花來,有什麼不行。 |
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我知道啊,就是在這個位置上有政治官場的考量,政治的考量,你就知道啊,讓官員說真心話多麼摯愛難行啊,有沒有感覺? |
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因為呢在這個童子賢曾經講啊 |
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能夠得到這個和融合者可以得天下。 那我們能不能得天下呢?好,我們來看一下 |
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河融合在美國準備2030年可以來測試發電。中國大陸也準備2030年來測試發電。最近有一個訊息就是韓國說他們在一次河融合實驗中創了一個世界紀錄說可以這個什麼設施一度然後維持時間達48秒創下世界紀錄所以韓國在做。日本也說日本要定法要制定法律來發展河融合 |
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因為就如童童子賢說的﹝德和榮和者,德天下﹞但是委員2030年以後的發展解決不了2025年我們面臨到的問題 |
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如果你們真的希望在這個會議上能夠做一段時間,那麼這就是一個歷史的關鍵時刻。 |
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如果今天是因為一些政治的關懲啊﹖好,我先跟各位跟你講啊﹖你怎麼可以這樣實話呢﹖你怎麼可以實話實答呢﹖如果這個樣子的話,其實這是會錯失臺灣下一個世代發展的期望。這是我與眾心腸有關於能源的問題,大家苦口婆出,可是我們擔心的是我們的政府。 |
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好,謝謝王委員、謝謝左院長。下一位請范雲委員質詢。 |
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好,有請院長。好,請卓院長備詢。范委員好。院長午安。那因為您是AI也是行動創新內閣嘛。那我今天有三題是要跟行動創新有關的,要想要得到院長的支持。但是我想先問您跟AI有關的。 |
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因為我早上我坐在這邊聽有聽到有委員問您說黃仁勳在臺灣那好像沒有公開跟政治高層碰面那他有問說那您這邊有沒有跟AI產業界有沒有共參那你說沒有共參但是有見面可不可以想請問一下見面有沒有什麼共識可以跟我們分享的 |
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再跟委員澄清也報告早上是葛如君委員在問我們有沒有跟黃仁勳總裁見過面等等那是因為我們國科會的吳主委說 |
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談事情比較重要吃飯不重要我是接著我們國科會吳主委的話說我說我們跟其他的這個產業界的朋友見過面但是沒有吃飯所以我沒有跟黃榮勳總裁見面也沒有去逛夜市但是我知道他在這裡除了業界之外有很多朋友跟他有見過面有談過話那這個我們尊重他但是我個人部分是沒有但是對他在台灣投資台灣等等的這個工作我們都非常感謝 |
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好對我想看起來大家都對於說臺灣成為一個AI大國就是充滿了期待那也跟知識您的AI行動創新內閣是一致的那謝謝您的說明那再來我想有三件事情想要跟您的行動創新內閣有關想得到院長的支持主要都是跟跨部會協調或者是教育部相關的事情但是希望行政院可以支持的那第一個部分 |
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是跟我們每年暑假不知道院長曉不曉得其實我們有124萬的國小學生但是非常多家長都是雙薪家長所以其實很多人會把小孩送到夏令營目前這個圖片就是只要Google夏令營應該看到這麼多的夏令營可是呢這個夏令營裡面我們發現一個問題 |
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其實如果以十分之一的小學生參加下令營估算的話就有十二萬人那目前的市價是一週五天不過夜的話收費八千塊過夜的話一萬五所以我們估起來其實有二十八億商階可是完全沒有主管機關比如說誰有權利辦在哪辦出事了這個部分 |
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新竹市委員長 |
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可是因為他判刑還在上訴中所以今年又被家長發現他換了一個主辦單位然後又開始招生下令營那結果新竹市的教育處說目前有學校、幼教、補教三個法規可以督導 |
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可是實質上這個夏令營不是學校辦的,也不是幼兒園辦的,也不是補習業辦的,所以就發生他是一個三不管地帶。 那我想跟院長講的事情是不是只有夏令營,目前像運動教練或者是比如說文化部有時候也會支持一些講座活動的,也曾經發生講座活動,跟青少年之間 |
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發生的一些不幸的事情講座活動的主講人所以兒童照顧有一個三不管地帶那也跟院長報告我去了解一下其實您看這上面上面有這麼多的法規教育部其實都有努力可是我們就是頭痛一頭腳痛一腳譬如說補習班短期有不適任人員資料庫然後兒童科學照顧也有不適任人員資料庫兒少性剝削這屬於不同的部會的也有不適任的 |
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被行政罰的資料庫可是目前這些頭痛衣頭腳痛衣腳的資料庫其實有四個制度的漏洞第一個就是各資料庫各行其事其實耗費了很多行政成本第二個如果他過了不得聘用期間其實資料庫就要刪除你就再也查不到第三如果是要去良民證的話可是其實跟性別犯罪相關的很多是行政罰 |
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他其實沒有行政法的資料那很多兒少活動甚至不用查無法查資料庫那所以我想您是行動創新內閣想跟院長講一下我覺得我們台灣可以評估就是去整合這些 |
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澳洲的工作制度 |
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想要從事兒少工作的成年人,他主動提出證明,讓主板單位或是家長可以要求查看。以澳洲的經驗是效期5年,他可以有效的去處理刑事跟行政處罰,甚至定期接受復訓。這是一個很好的創新的制度,可以解決我們現在面臨到 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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那是不是院長可以承諾,跨部會檢討目前的兒少工作者的檢核制度,評估是不是能夠有創新的做法,譬如說參考澳洲的這個兒童工作證呢?好,謝謝委員的提醒。對青少年的工作,政府應該是很積極在做。所以我們現在,包括心理的諮商等等,我們都希望年齡層要下降,這個部分。同時我們在五打七安裡面,校安、學校的安全也是很重要的一環。 |
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那我希望這個是不是有可能再把它範圍擴大界定讓它整個對青少年來講不只是他學習環境的好壞而是他心理生理我們都要服以一定的正當正常的發展但是教育部對委員所提到這個內容這個事項已經有一個想法跟初步的做法是不是能請鄭部長來說明 |
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那因為也會跨到衛福部,兒少全法是衛福部主管。是,謝謝委員的指教。確實委員所提出的一個構想,事實上是非常具有建設性的。我們理解到在社區裡邊,特別在這個星期日假日或者這個寒暑假,有許多的社區所這個 |
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我再評估 |
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謝謝部長的回應再來第二題雖然也是跟教育部有關但是也是要請院長來支持因為這個我質詢過部長 |
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就是108課綱到現在5年那其實呢我個人的看法跟很多教師的看法都肯定他利益良善但是也不能否認第一線有非常多的焦慮那舉例來講那我自己其實也是第一線的教師那非常了解 |
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那現在我們鼓勵他開選修課,這是108課綱的重點,可是有過半的老師發現在這個108課綱下他要新增加兩到五種的授課的科目,那所以呢全教總發現五成的老師就因為這個負擔的增加而且沒有得到鼓勵,他會覺得這個政策沒有獲得足夠的資源。 |
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另外右邊的是學生自己做的調查。 三分之一認為目前的多元選修還不夠多元。 我個人特別擔心的事情是, 裡面非六都的學生表達學校沒有跟大學合開課, 因為教育部有這樣的鼓勵。 |
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那其實根據OECD我們教育的資源其實還是有改善的空間所以不知道院長是不是會支持如果教育部確定要往這個方向走要縮小城鄉的差距促進跨校跨學層的合作要能夠支持能夠增補教師的人力讓108課綱這個用意良好的政策能夠真正的發揮它的效益 |
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報告委員,從108年學年度開始,我們投入了450億的預算,在從事很多方面,包括課程的發展、教學的增能以及師資的賠利。或許當中還要更增進一些師資的能力,這個應該要從全盤性的檢討。 |
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教育部他也在針對這個執行的過程有一個新的一個想法我們再請教育部來說明一下那部長就簡單答因為我們還可以再教育部謝謝我想讓老師能夠發揮他的專業的一個 |
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﹚廣告 |
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那另外委員所提到的有一些屬於這些高中的選修課我們確實也在鼓勵希望大學能夠透過這一個大學的社會責任把大學的資源能夠用來協助高中職學生的這些洗手多元的一個選修 |
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因為我也想幫你跟行政院爭取更多的經費喔,因為如果老師要就是說稍微減教鼓勵他開選修課的話,其實就會發生喔就是說師資需要更多的資源,但我想這部分如果方向上院長是支持的話,我們再到教育文化委員會討論喔。 |
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那最後一題雖然放在最後但是也很重要因為這個右邊的照片是一年前我跟我們大仁哥溫暖內閣為這個貧窮者請命那當時大仁哥也立刻承諾說涉救法真的是需要修因為10多年沒修那這邊數字在跟我們卓院長報告因為我當時問大仁哥是說臺灣的法定貧窮人口為什麼只有1.27% |
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是日本跟韓國的十分之一還要低因為日本的貧窮率是15.7%韓國是16.7%那這個原因就在涉救法給中低收入戶設定了太多的附加條件最後我們的貧窮線跟國際是一致的可是太多附加條件使得很多人就是沒有辦法申請排除了很多真正的貧窮者那大人哥 |
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當天就承諾他一定會提出草案結果在我們520就是內閣改組前提出要跟院長報告提出後讓人非常的擔憂的是那個版本我們民間關注這個修法的NGO出來開記者會痛批說這個草案讓人失望那有幾大問題包含家戶合計還是不合理虛擬收入等等那我今天只針對一個 |
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那怎麼樣叫做 |
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因為這個中低收入我們先以低收入來講他限制要在戶籍地申請那他排除了譬如說我們的無家者他連家都沒有了無家者裡面只有一成的人他是有這個資格九成的人呢因為他我們的地方政府已無法實地訪查因為他沒有一個家甚至沒有一個租屋 |
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為理由就拒絕讓他們申請雖然有NGO要協助可是他們有很高的比例其實是想要有一個家有一個地方可以住這是第一個排除九成就是在街頭的無家者 |
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那第二個我們的利新基金會也跟我反映很多受暴婦女他其實本身就貧窮那他想要申請這個部分的時候他一定要被迫回家去處理戶籍的部分他如果沒有辦法回去處理也被排除那租屋族也因為房東不讓他攝戶那這麼多的問題其實我們看國際經驗瑞典、芬蘭、荷蘭、愛爾蘭、葡萄牙就是在居住地英國、德國也不限於戶籍地 |
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衛福部自己給學界我也都認識研究者做的研究案根本就建議衛福部要處理戶籍地跟實據地不一樣的人因為衛福部有很多行政理由說自愛難行可是這就是我說創新內閣要找解方那連衛福部的研究案都認為就是不能因為這樣排除他們的申請那我有幫忙看數字其實影響的戶數 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝范委員 |
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謝謝卓院長王育明委員的質詢已書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入記錄刊登空報下一位我們請李委員昆城質詢 |
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好謝謝主席我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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議員好 院長好 這個今天上午的時候總統府已經公佈這個何可復議案那也在今天上午11點把公文送到行政院那同時也以總統府秘書場的函通知立法院那請問一下院長有收到這份公文嗎行政院已經收到這份公文 收到這份公文了那請教一下院長如果有機會的話願不願意再來我們立法院就復議案的內容再做個說明 |
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現在已經進入到整個的程序裡面了是那行政院正式會提出復議案對那未來在大院裡面程序怎麼進行我們當然遵照立法院的安排但是我確實很希望我們能夠互相提醒這件事情就是希望能夠再有機會重新審視法條的內容再經過民主的程序跟 |
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委員們還有跟社會繼續擴大的對話那大家共同來維繫憲政的秩序跟憲政設計屬於憲政機關應有的權益我看總統府的這一個回覆的內容他說期盼立法院朝野各黨能再次審慎檢視法案的內容找出合法合憲以國家利益為優先的最大共識那其實我也看過這個行政院的這個復議的 |
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這個內容那當然有一些我們也認為是違憲所以當時候在表決的時候我們每個人認為說這個是違憲也講出雖然沒有近民投票但是我們也講出說我李昆城反對這個這個立法院執行法執行執行法的這個修法 |
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就是為了未來我們要做修憲來做準備啦。那當然也希望說第一個副議員如果這個如果民進黨結合這個不管是民眾黨或是國民黨結合到57期那當然副議員有可能不通過。那如果這個最後沒有辦法的話呢那還是希望就釋憲這方面那再來做這個大法官來做最後的說明啦。 |
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那有關這一個內政的部分的話想請教一下院長就是這個前瞻基礎建設前瞻基礎建設的話是在106年7月公佈然後期限是8年那預計是在明年就到期了那現在編了預算上限是8400億然後呢算了一下經費還剩下703億那請問一下院長這個會不會再繼續在編這個前瞻預算的第5期的預算 |
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這個特別預算經過這麼多年的執行確實也對地方各個縣市 |
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我看他們在選舉的時候都講說這個是他爭取的這個是他爭取的我一看那不是就是我們前瞻運算嗎但無論如何要感謝委員和民意代表共同提出地方的需求那有很多也是地方政府一同配合的那現在他剩下最後這個錢我們預計會編第5期的前瞻運算 |
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那就是明年嘛,因為只到明年嘛,剩下700億,剩下700億喔,院長老實講,真的很少,真的很少,我舉例齁,就是以我們這個新北市齁,這個捷運,北環跟南環,那北環跟南環呢,這個合定建設總經費是1369億, |
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中央補助326億,臺北跟新北各有分攤,臺北684億,新北分攤357億。這是光是捷運北環段而已,不包含我們新北市境內其他捷運的路線。 |
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那這個合定的這個總預算裡面呢1369億然後到目前為止呢我們中央政府呢總共北環跟南環總共是補助了55.6億哇這個我們有326億但目前為止呢只補助了55.6億那在我三重的這個境內呢北環段有三個站Y21、Y22、Y23這三個站跟院長說明一下 |
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光是招標就招標6次,然後預算是從102億的標到173億才標出去,然後在去年3月有舉辦一個開工典禮,那我要講的是招標現在也很難,然後光是招標的金額增加了7成,從102億調增到173億才標出去。 |
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然後就我的這個北環段來講好了,光是整個北環跟南環加起來,中央政府預計是補助326億,那目前一、二期是編了55億,短差多少?短差271億,院長,短差271億,這個是還沒有估算追加的部分。 |
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而且這個捷運在明年之後才開始是付款的高峰期,因為照票出去了嘛,開始要付款了。那所以呢,核定的補助經費呢,我認為第一個,中央補助的一定不夠。那第二個呢,如果我們的這個特別預算只到明年,那請問一下院長,接下來? |
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接下來每一年大概未來10年之內都是付款的高峰期,那我們接下來這些預算呢是海外在編特別預算呢還是編列在這個年度的這個公共建設預算裡面?好,謝謝李委員。李委員來自地方議會,非常了解地方的建設。來到國會以後持續在關注這個事情。我想這個你工作的延續我們表示非常的敬佩。但是預算的問題政府的財力就是如此。 |
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這個前瞻基礎建設已經停下來未來也沒有像這樣的能力能夠編組但是很多合定的計畫中的工程就我所知還有數千億的公共建設的預算在這裡對還有四、五千億未來如果我們無法像過去前瞻基礎建設一樣編特別的預算那唯有就是往公務預算的編列的方式但是中央跟地方就工建計畫的比例分配他有一定的計算所以大家希望能夠 |
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從中央地方互相的合作那中央一定要維持這樣的財政的能力跟發揮財政的紀律來盡量的協助地方這個是一項的政策那我確認一下院長就是說已經合定的這個預算就算沒有特別預算的話我們以後就是每一年的公務預算都變下去就對了考慮中央政府財政的能力 |
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好,那一個是這個軌道建設,另外一個是大家也都因應期盼的就是地下停車場。 |
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地下停車場呢當然我也要感謝中央這個停車場呢有這個前8年的這個計畫呢本來是200億那因為大家都在這個希望能夠蓋這個停車場所以後來追加了60億所以總共是260億但是260億也用完了那用完當然新北市我要謝謝中央新北市光是在三重目前已經完成的或是現在做的有6座有6座這個停車場已經獲得補助但是啊但是院長 |
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我們還有五座停車場已經報給中央了,已經報給交通部了等待中央的這個前瞻運算結果一問錢沒有了,錢沒有了所以這邊請教院長部長在這邊光是在三重還有五華國小、新谷國小、開源公園、六張公園、大同公園都已經報給了這個中央了那有些還排在中央的這個優先的這個順序裡面 |
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請教一下院長,那我們已經有報的那中央也核可的這些停車場能不能繼續給予地方補助?這個交通部正在盤點他的需求跟評估他的順序,我們請交通部...請部長我想停車場的辟建確實是各地民眾還有我們委員大家都非常的期待,都極力的爭取那前瞻已經對新北市總共有投入45億的補助 |
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那麼整個發包的金額也達到100多億,所以對新北市這幾年增加停車場的供給其實有很大的幫助。接下來我們在期待就是說看現在也在做一些盤點就是能不能在前瞻的後面第5期的這個700億還有沒有機會再容納,或者是在未來的公務預算能不能有這樣的一個中長程的計畫,持續來協助地方。 |
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我跟這個院長部長說明一件事情就是說,如果沒有中央的預算,不管是特別預算或是公務預算編列的話,光是靠這個,比如說像新北市好,你光是靠他的這個停管基金,要他來蓋的話,他一定跟你講不可能,因為他也沒有錢。部長你也知道,這個來自基層你也知道。 |
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所以我是希望說接下來的這個700億這個前瞻的這個預算裡面能夠再挪出一些金額再給地下停車場尤其我們自己有爭取的然後其實你們也合可的只是說雙手一擺說之前已經沒有錢了希望能夠優先把它列進去那如果呢這700億當然還有其他要用的嘛那如果不夠的地方呢期待這個用公務預算能夠再編你如果中央沒有編公務預算的話真的 |
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謝謝委員我想也必須請委員幫忙我們現在正在用這樣的方式跟各界來對話表示說中央政府維持一定的財政能力是必要的不僅是如此很多的天災地變很多的這個長照預算的使用以及公共建設 |
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我知道院長在講的是這個在野黨他們要提的這個財務法先挖了這個1500億過去的事情 |
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我的意思是說,中央的財政要顧,因為很多地方都需要中央的支持,不是先挖了錢過去之後,然後繼續再跟中央要,中央也要維持財政的韌性。好,這個是一個。另外一個是有關這個動保法的這個修法。那其實在我擔任這個新北市議員的時候,有發生一個查查的那個虐貓事件。所以我在這個2021年8月的時候,我舉辦一個這個記者會。 |
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那時候就想說這個虐貓這件事情還有這個動物保護這件事情大家要一起來關注然後呢這兩年來其實大家都很關注在去年的時候其實大家就是有這麼多人站出來期待動保法能夠修法那我們的那時候的農委會現在農業部的確也有提出這一個修法的預告但是院長我跟你講他修法預告已經超過一年了 |
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﹗ |
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這個會期提得出來嗎?我跟委員說明齁,現在目前動保法經過上一次預告以後大概有8000多個意見。那我們歸納以後...那我知道,我只問說今年這個會期能不能提出來?公告預告這麼久了。對,我們已經進到我們部裡面的法治委員會在審查了。那審查完了以後就可以進到下一部的部分去做抱怨以後去處理。 |
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我建議啦 這個會期希望能夠提出來 不然下個會期就省運算了 |
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我預估大概6月底到7月初可以出我們的農業部然後到了行政院我相信這個會期我們會提出來然後到年底看看可不可以你要先提出來啊我們才能審查啊我們才能排案啊那其實大家有關心的大概就是四個面向啦那時間有限我就先問說現在有關於動保園的稽查跟取締權限有沒有增加 |
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現在在新的修法的過程中,我們增加了動保檢查人員的一個執法的一個權限,那過去都是要配合警察單位來配合處理,不能私自進到...重點就在於說,動保員有沒有在緊急情況之下可以進入私立域的權能?有,現在修法裡面已經增加了。好,然後我再問一下,這個有關虐待動惑行者有沒有加重? |
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有加重了本來是有期途徑是兩年以下現在變成六個月以上五年以下好那我再問齁這個寵物食品的管理安全因為你們現在是一個專章吧那有沒有機會因為現在大家都很關心我剛剛聽到配議委員也在問有沒有機會把這一個齁寵物食品安全的這個專章把它變成一個專法出來我們來好好的來管理 |
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我想我們可能分兩個階段因為現在目前寵物食品的部分是在動法法下面我們先把它變成一個專章那如果變成專法的話它的立法程序會比較快比較慢所以我們希望說先成專章了以後會特別加上寵物的食品本身的相關的有害物質的一些監控還有 |
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他進口以後跟國內生產的話,我們會一併去做追溯。好,那我再跟院長說明,因為我看了一下他們的這個修法,他們有把這個虐待動物跟這個家暴這個關聯性把它牽連在一起。那按照我們過去的經驗來講,像茶茶虐貓這個也是,他也是這個虐貓,同時他也有這個家暴的這個傾向。 |
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那我是希望說在修法上面或是說其他的這個方法或是說指引之類的做一個規範就是我們把這個虐待動物跟這個家暴這兩者之間的關聯性我們要做一個調查我知道現在新北市跟台北市有在做 |
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| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
那我希望說我們的農業部跟衛福部也有中間這個聯繫的管道。我跟委員報告現在已經衛福部本身具有家暴者已經會通報農業部然後有家暴傾向的通常可能會虐待寵物那同樣的我們有寵物虐待的這些案件我們也會通知到衛福部讓他作為一個預警這個部分我想現在已經在處理這樣的一個機制了。 |
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我是希望這兩者之間是具有關聯性的最後再問這個詐騙詐騙我知道這個院長也很關心那你也去這個打詐中心有視察165這個反詐專線那我只是要問說打詐臨跪關懷很重要但是呢我們的這個公股銀行在臨跪關懷這部分呢還有需要檢討改進的地方按照這個金管會呢給我們的資料裡面呢這個呢我們 |
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| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
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好,我們時間到了 |
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26499.218 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝李委員,謝謝卓院長。報告院會休息10分鐘,現在休息。 |
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27174.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
27175.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
報告院會現在繼續開會,請林委員、易軍質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
有請行政院卓榮泰院長來,院長請備詢。議員好 |
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院長好。 院長我想請問一下,一個好山好水的花東地區,交通不方便,每逢颱風還有地震,都沒有順利回家的路,難道這是身為東部人的命運嗎? |
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謝謝委員花東的鄉親因為長期這個地理環境天然資源所受他這個交通上確實是比較不方便但是政府從過去到現在也投入相當大的資源在整個解決花東的問題但是受勸剛剛所說的這個地理的環境 |
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政府一定會持續的做很多事情來給花中的鄉親一個更好的環境。 |
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好,是正如院長說的,但是每次遇到天災還有道路中斷的時候,然後農民要運送農產品非常的不方便,還有連生病的患者要就醫都求救無路,然後遊客因為那條路 |
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﹚發言委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
請你們要將心比心。 |
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這次的0403的地震可以看得出來過去梳化改 |
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蘇花改所做的這些隧道橋樑都非常的都還狀況非常的好表示他的抗爭耐震的能力是非常的好所以這次我們也持續的來推動蘇花安那要把把整個整個快速的入網的系統把它連通那蘇花安也很快在 |
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今年5月14日已經通過環評所以我們現在開始進入相關的設計的階段我們希望在明年如果順利可以來明年底以前可以來辦理相關的招標那這樣的話整個路廊打通一直到新城那可以說連接國五就可以有一個整個花蓮有一個很安全快速的一個道路 |
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好,剛剛院長說04、03其實從花蓮地震到現在然後我們花蓮人往返臺北的舒花公路其實都有小小的餘震嘛所以都有落石還有土石流像上禮拜一大家可能都注意到基隆那邊的公園有山崩但其實在同一天花蓮的舒花公路其實從的隧道北端的山壁也發生了嚴重的攤方 |
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﹚三、6月7日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。﹚ |
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其實環境部在5月14日也召開了臺九縣的蘇花公路安全提升計畫環境影響說明書專案小組第二次的環評初審會議然後也同意了本案的通過的初審但是這樣在迴響之前針對我們的規劃已經落後了兩年 |
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但是現在是以前是119年就可以完工現在變成121年完工為目標那要交通部的公路的總局的局長說如果一切都順利的話能在今年的8月取得環評大會審查修正通過 |
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希望年底建設計劃就能核定,明年提出設計的規劃,明年的8月開始取得用地,並同步執行都市計劃變更的程序,期待116年初就可以發包施工。如果照這樣的話,你看整個蘇花安本來經費從360億元到現在評估的階段已經暴增了802億元。 |
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但是考慮到舒花公路每年都是道路封閉還有經濟上的損失落石土石流其實造成公路損害的維修的費用其實平均攤下來可能也不比新建舒花庵的費用節省多少 |
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但是最主要大家都知道更重要的是人命是無價的所以請問院長和部長蘇花安到底什麼時候可以真正的完工通車你們可知道花蓮人其實已經等不及了因為你們執政那麼久其實花蓮人都等到明星都已經失去了 |
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真的有把握在116年能夠發包施工嗎?還是說那時候要採取拖延戰術呢?繼續欺騙花蓮人呢?因為過去民進黨執政選舉的時候都開了很多的支票,例如副總統 |
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蕭美琴過去競選花蓮區域立委的時候她就提出高鐵東延還有花東快鐵然後現任的外交部長林佳龍在擔任交通部長時也喊了西部高鐵還有東部快鐵 |
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以及2030年全國高快速鐵路網的規劃,就是說6小時我們就可以還臺。還有前交通部長王國才也說,環島高鐵不是夢,但是為什麼到現在,花東的交通的新建設一點的動靜都沒有呢? |
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那樣民進黨執政8年來多項的交通政策現在都變成了空頭支票所以我們想請院長還有部長你們可以盡快給予專業的意見還有看法讓全國民眾了解說不是用政治語言來欺騙大眾企圖讓東部居民充滿了期待然後卻又造成社會大眾產生更多的誤解和對立 |
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委員如果這是一張空投支票就不會有今年5月14號的環評出審的通過那麼持續下來會做這個環境影響評估再來就會進到更細部的計畫所以是可以這種可以監督一下他這個進度因為我看比之前規劃已經慢了兩年了因為我不曉得後面還要慢多久這絕對不是一張空投支票我們一起來讓花東的鄉親能夠安心持續的往前做那已經在程序當中現在會一直一步一步的做下去 |
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那也跟委員報告,其實包括花東的這個鐵路現在雙軌化已經也在陸續的在發包進行那這樣的話可以讓整個花東鐵路提速那現階段我們也把最好的全國最好的車廂最新的都用在花東所以EMU3000它的這個座位數從300多從像太魯閣號只有300多它可以到500多個座位那這個最好運量最好的這個最大的 |
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蘇花安目前就是我想所有的交通建設大概最需要等待的就是環評那麼蘇花安很不容易的已經5月14號 |
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現在還有一個要突破就是整個蘇花安還有兩個部落 |
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好 |
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﹚發言委員 |
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有把握可以做嗎?八月份是報告可以出來那當然他要經過一些的審查的階段那現在大概幾個關鍵一個就是說整個投資的一本筆是不是符合投資的效益那通常我們一本筆要到一才會有一個投資的這個這個效益那再來就是預算的容納還有一個是環評因為這個是一個新的快速道路所以他要做二階的環評 |
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那環評是不是能夠同意能夠讓他核准通過能不能順利的來這個部分最後還有一個階段就在開工前他沿線我們目前的了解170幾公里有11個部落這是一個部落都要同意諮商同意才可以來辦理發包那這是在發包前必須要取得同意我想這些變數大概都是我們未來要再去持續的突破的地方 |
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所以其實政府不應該畫大餅然後之後又說不太可能這樣因為先操作東西區域的不平衡問題然後之後再來覺得說是國家財政的困難還是還品有自愛難行的理由 |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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報告委員這不是大餅這是一條直線 |
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全場179公里的直線有17個交流道總經費達到2555億當中還有剛剛部長說的11個部落他的同意資商要去處理跟剛剛那個一樣我們跟部落的溝通一定要加強我已經跟部長說過了盡量去說服他們希望他們能夠理解這個重大公共工程的重要性那麼能夠縮短互相溝通的時間就能把這些報告 |
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希望大家都能聽到花東人民的聲音。 |
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那也跟委員報告因為目前政府各種法令都有規範我們做相關重大建設所應該要做的一些程序所以這個不是我們去找困難來搪塞而是相關像環評法令部落諮商的法令水保的法令等等都有一定的規範我們必須要去遵守 |
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我再問一下院長就是說因為院長你在此次的施政報告裡面你是親自擔任0403花蓮地震專案小組的召集人有關此次的地震除了希望行政院能夠真正的徹底執行震災復原的重建方案解決花蓮災民的問題之外就是有一個臺灣東部就是第一所綜合大學國立東華大學然後地震後學校的建物在強震中 |
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﹗ |
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那一館第一棟的話他有一個化學實驗室然後地震發生火災然後燒了20個小時整棟全毀然後花蓮縣的消防局然後他們也馬上前往救援但是因為現場內存放的都是進水性的化學物質所以不能用水來撲滅然後消防人員就是進退兩難 |
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據瞭解當時花蓮縣的消防局向宜蘭還有向高雄請求化學災害處理車支援但是臺九縣因為地震所以已經山壁攤分斷裂了所以連最近的宜蘭消防局也沒有辦法前往而高雄的消防局的路途太遙遠了 |
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﹚發言委員 |
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﹗ |
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﹚發言委員： |
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鄭文燦前副院長他上一次在卸任前有到花蓮嘛在5月4號那一次有特別在花蓮召開0403正在復原重建專案會議中然後在那個會議中我也有當時也有建議提示要求中華大學化學實驗室除放多種化學的物質強震導致化學物品引發的大火所以有關爭取相 |
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關所需要的化學搶救車救災的車輛有請內政部消防署有統籌處理那請問院長那內政部就是否有在此可以允若本席同意補助或直接提供花蓮縣還是台東縣各兩台乾粉或其他特別面活的藥劑的化學災害處理消防車呢因為這可以因應特殊的化學物質 |
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謝謝委員由我本人來擔任專案小組的召集人請鄭麗君副院長來負責督導是我們要讓花蓮鄉親真正看到政府的誠意跟決心 |
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我們已經提高效率、計畫、及早合格、補助及早的到位。 有關於東華大學學校校舍的改建,工程會直接在現場負責。聽剛剛會員所說的化學消防車,我們當天也到了學校去,我也到了學校去,我們也看到學校的狀況,校長也非常專業誠懇地提出他的需求,內政部也已經有進度,請部長報告一下。 |
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是跟委員報告一下其實卓院長在當時的時候已經有指示我們在明年度的時候呢會先補助一輛近水性的化學災防的消防車那其實花蓮縣政府還有當天參加這個會刊的委員都已經知道了 |
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所以就是補助儀量這樣就對了?不是,因為進水性的化學消防車沒有那麼容易,跟一般的化學消防、泡沫消防車不太一樣,所以它必須要有特殊的救護的機制,所以我們先用儀量,何況現在以花蓮或者是以台東來講,需要用進水性的化學物質的量沒有那麼多,那如果未來還有需要的話,我們還可以再做中長程計畫的調整。 |
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其實東部市真的是需要啦因為真的是道路上面的萬一有中斷的情況下其實我們花東的人的性命還是很重要的而且東華大學那一棟出事的大樓整棟的材質重建工程會非常積極在處理跟委員報告就是第一棟就是化學館那化學館他整個要異地重建那我們希望教育部在督導東華大學重建的過程因為是化學館所以那內部的整個 |
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疫外災害的配置救災的程序演練那麼東華大學都必須事先來考慮之後再做設計那至於消防車每個縣市配置但不會配置在學校裡面所以這個化學館他將來的化學藥品的分布遇到災害的時候應該怎麼救護這個都是必須在重建的過程當中必須列入考慮那麼根據目前的進度 |
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28325.879 |
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那我現在有請衛福部部長衛福部部長請備詢 |
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委員長部長好我想問一下就是本席今天想要請教一個問一個就是有關處方簽格式統一的問題因為最近很多基層的藥師特別跟本席陳情他們說像在臺北市立醫院有分為好幾個院區就是說今天有人到昆明院區去就醫然後拿著醫生釋出的慢性處方簽到社區藥局去領藥然後跟到林森院區去看病後拿到醫生 |
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應該都要一致的 |
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對對對應該是都一樣的嘛但是這個就問題來了因為自從84年開辦全民健保到現在因為時空環境的轉變許多很多家醫院已經開始整病了然後各院區都有一個共用醫事機構代碼但是卻有不同的層級喔而會影響到部分負擔因為我們今天我們112年有一個部分負擔的調整嘛 |
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﹚發言委員 |
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同樣居然地區和區域醫院教學的成績居然釋出了一般的處方簽和慢性處方簽,它的機構代碼居然是一樣的。我想這個門診交付處方簽這個是按照醫師法第13條,各特別醫院院首應該要按照這個法,按醫法跟以及健保署公告的格式來開立處方。那它當然代碼有分為 |
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剛剛委員所講的那應該他是哪一級的醫院就是哪一個代碼嗎?對因為這個我覺得很奇怪像我們花蓮的門諾醫院的話他包括他受封分院還有其他的每一個醫室代碼都不同的會不會是因為他不同體系裡面也有區醫院也有地區醫院而營守不同這可能我們要來了解一下 |
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我覺得更誇張的是因為我在醫策會的醫療評鑑系統裡面去查然後昆明院區和林森院區居然上面寫的是地區醫院喔然後但是昆明院區居然收的藥費的部分負擔是收基層診所的收費規則 |
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然後當然處方簽上面整個格式都沒有標明的清楚,沒標明的清楚的時候社區藥局會遺漏收了部分負擔。 所以這個樣子就是說健保藥物處方簽格式沒有統一還有不完全,其實是增加社區藥局藥師在登載健保申報系統的交付藥上面還有複合藥物的困難度。 |
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好是如果沒有統一的話我想我們要來找這個所有的醫療院所來討論希望能夠對啊部長你可以看一下因為我也覺得很奇怪為什麼電腦上面寫這兩間是寫地區醫院然後結果居然到了庫比醫院區的時候收費的時候是收基層診所的藥費的部分負擔因為這個到時候到社區藥局去拿藥的時候其實病人會反應 |
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拜訪議員 |
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28584.168 |
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28584.248 |
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﹚第11屆第17次會議 |
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28634.043 |
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那當然全部補齊的時候大家來社區藥局拿藥的時候也可以降低藥師的複合藥物還有登載申報系統的困難然後當然這樣的話我們給病人收錢的時候給病人收錢的時候也不會引起爭議啊因為常常拿到藥物的拿到處方簽的時候都在看說這到底這一家是地區醫院呢還是還是那個區醫院呢然後收費又不一樣 |
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28643.317 |
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然後光在查這個就要很久包括還要再登錄還有一點就是說萬一那時候收錯了病人又會去反應 |
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謝謝委員提醒,這個臺北市聯合醫院他有很多的院區啊,是不是針對不同院區的規模他有這樣內部的細分,抱歉我倒是真的不清楚。但是為了要讓作業能夠一致化,尤其是市民患者在拿取藥品的時候能夠覺得安心跟可以稽查。 |
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28683.154 |
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我想那個衛福部應該跟臺北市來瞭解一下他聯合醫院是不是有這種層級上不同的對我覺得是應該了解因為包括這樣處完就會造成哪一集就應該是哪一集要寫清楚對對對因為他電腦查的時候是地區醫院結果居然收費的時候是用基層診所 |
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28700.24 |
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那是不是當然像台北市這種過去傳統以來有時候會有一些福利優待特殊的族群會不會跟這個稍微沒有把它分得很清楚。 所以最好是可以把處方簽統一格式我們處方簽統一格式包括以後我們推動的電子處方簽我們都可以陸續統一格式那大家在登載方面還有在我們在給病患收費方面都非常的清楚還有這個病人的身份方面其實我覺得這個都是 |
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所以我們一定會來釐清來統一來釐清好好謝謝謝謝部長還有一個就是說現在當然我非常的肯定最近這幾年衛福部在愛滋病防護政策上面其實成績推動的非常好然後我在這邊給衛福部很大肯定但是因為最近社區藥局和疾病管理署他們有一個特約就是針對人類免疫缺乏病毒 |
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﹚ |
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28771.162 |
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政策要實施的時候其實很多社區藥局他不見得他會願意因為今天要HIV的病人來拿藥所以但是這些願意來服務這些的病友的我們都叫做友善藥局但是現在到113年4月25號已經有111家友善藥局投入 |
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28775.723 |
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﹚廣告 |
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28827.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
戰負的陳述其實在健保申報15天之後只有撥低於85%剩下的金額要60天內才會付清但是現在這個對現在的社區藥局友善藥局其實對他們的金流是一個非常非常大的壓力所以我在想說是不是要麻煩那個衛福部就是說因為可以提高愛知健保處方簽的戰負陳述因為他們本來就是像他如果200個病人 |
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28828.2 |
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28829.1 |
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我真的很感謝我們友善藥局N1來 |
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﹚議員 |
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28885.8 |
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所謂的項目都要改變,那我想… 這個也切出來,就是切出來這個藥物,因為這個藥物非常貴,它一盒就…它要一萬五嘛,現在他們其實他們幫助這些病友,其實他們負了很大的金流的壓力,這樣,這個金額他馬上就要付錢了,所以我們才低於85%先給他們錢。 |
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這樣我覺得是有點不太合理啦所以是不是針對這個藥物就是這111家針對這一個藥物我們來切磋或許是我們就先補負到他95%嘛因為他本來就是應該100%嘛只是說一個是60天後再負給他這樣啊我們就提高給他們不要那麼大的金流壓力如果以電子的話有時候是負9乘5所以我想我們來想辦法 |
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對阿我看可不可以15天之後大家都低於85給但是光這個藥物就好了我不見得說他一整個是這個藥物因為這些藥局真的是幫助這些我覺得是他們自己也發很大的愛心所以這個情況不要再造成他金流上面的壓力所以是不是就是說光這個藥物這些藥局 |
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我們可以切開不見得是整個嘛我知道你們的難處但是光這個要我們可以先補足到他他95%讓他們能更願意來服務這些病友這樣然後推動我們的政策 |
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謝謝委員的體諒,我們在現行的法律規定底下,我請衛福部如何對友善藥局,能夠給他更友善的環境跟條件,我們往這個方向來講。還能夠來在遵照委員剛剛的指示,我們來做一個比較周延的演繹好不好?好,是 |
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那現在就是院長部長你們知道洗腎或手術的輸液是使用最大的就是那個生理食鹽水嗎對不對然後上個月應該臺灣輸液大廠的時候有違規招勒令官場的問題嗎所以就是有一些其藥廠產人沒有辦法補足這個缺口嗎所以我們現在從這個問題來看其實我認為我們必須要從國防外交的戰略的角度來看這個從國內到國外的原料鏈 |
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臨時發言委員 |
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好,謝謝。謝謝林委員。謝謝卓院長。下一位請王委員美會質詢。 |
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主席,我們請議員長。好,請左院長備詢。黃委員好。議員長好。議員長本來要先跟你談一下中國和我們國內的事情。因為長久以來,大家都知道,中華民國的台灣和中國, |
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是兩個國家完全不一樣的。在這裏面,院長,我們先幫你探討一個問題。你可不可以知道廈門的香安機場離空2、6年要完成嗎?你知道嗎? |
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這個消息我還沒完全了解。這個消息你不知道喔?哇,院長,在這裏面,我覺得這是非常嚴重,因為他目前,他的所在是他海內站的,所以在這個規定當中,廈門和金門本來就是差不多六公里, |
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會見解一天還要後做一個國際基金會選。 |
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和金門13公里而已。）還定的那個鼓勵,就是差不多我們立法院去到總統府,總統府還回來我們的立法院,就是像本席在家裡去公民路的服務處,去到家裡騎車,騎著摩托車騎回去的鼓勵。所以部長, |
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在這裏面,院長和主委,我要說這是非常嚴重的,二、六年就要完成,因為未來要做的國際基礎,是經濟和我們的基礎。 |
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差不多都一樣,他可以有三十八萬人次、有四千五百萬人次,這是會害人的,尤其在這個規定當中,他如果完成之後,在那裡擺一擺,跟我們金門的領空有衝突的時候,院長, |
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主委,再來我們的國防部部長,要跟交通部部長,未來您簡單30秒跟本席聯絡,跟本席回答這個問題,您要怎麼處理呢? |
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好,給委員報告,根據委員的提示,我一定緊緊去了解這個事情。 理想我相信,這個陸委會,還是國防部,已經針對這個事情,因為他們專業的認定,是不是陸委會有辦法...來來,來請... 委員感謝你提供這個事情齁。 |
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我們相關單位都密注他的機場進度以及對我方的影響 |
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那特別是剛剛委員有講到對於我們飛航安全的影響以及對金門鄉親因為機場噪音造成的震撼 |
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這個問題要解決啊,必須要兩岸適時的進行協商溝通才能夠解決。 |
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確實這個兩個機場非常的接近,那相關的航線也會有重疊的這個狀況,那未來我想這個部分需要...沒有啦,這個已經是事啦,你現在要怎麼處理啦?就是要協商啊。 也是協商,我們兩個都說協商,來,我們國防部部長啦,我們立法會要怎麼處理? |
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這個問題是很嚴重的對,跟委員報告這個部分我們事實上有做過相關的這個兵推主要的是要維持我們的空域的安全所以他現在他有一個他襄岸機場的故意靠近他由南往北,由北往南有一部分我們要跟他要有一空域的一個 |
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你講到重點,就是民航機再來,如果一天他吃四塊肉也要翻牆的時候, |
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部長﹗ |
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對,所以先期就如同剛剛陸委會跟交通部講的,我們要跟他協商,但如果他不願意跟我們協商,我們仍然要藉由我們的相關航道的安全,我們要加以維護。這一方面我們國防部責無旁貸。 |
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臺灣中華民國的管理,你一定要把他辭掉,這是最要緊的 |
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因為拜祖平如果不跟我們好好的說的時候,有一天一千萬大戶兩頭穿過了,所以我問你們三黨委,未來的機會可以一個月給本縣看你們要怎麼處理。 |
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因為你們給我的答案,我覺得不會接受,協商他不可能給我們接受。因為空域的安全也是牽扯到整個國際,因為他的祥安機場不是只有他內地,他包括他是整個一個國際的航線,所以國際航線跟我們到金門之間的這個空域的差別,他一定要來維護,不然的話會造成國際航班的危險性,這也是他承受不了的一件事情。 |
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委員這樣的這個說明我完全了解,三位首長了解,我覺得首先我們要確保我們自己機場的起降的安全 |
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對 主權上的維持 飛航上的安全 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 |
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有民主、有自由的,他會跟你講啦。 這種的壞壞就要邀請院長。 這過程會開始啦。 我們中華民國的人如果去那,他都可以來檢查我們的手機、我們的電腦啦。 所以未來, |
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我們會站在國家安全為優先的考量,將這個事情很慎重的向委員所說明。來,在這,我們衛福部部長 |
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院長,因為我來自嘉義市,因為嘉義市是一個醫療非常充足的一個社區,因為我們母鄉也是嘉義人,他知道我們嘉義市非常需要這個長照的問題,因為我們最近嘉義 |
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臺東居士學院已經把護教育市政府﹐在整個衛生福利園區﹐我也覺得很高興﹐因為未來我們的教育市﹐衛福教育市培營﹐要建造這個長照大樓﹐我們區的是﹐ |
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他已經規約給我們的委員﹚所以保證我相信你很知道我們國旗旗的需要﹚因為他們這裡是我們的內政﹚我們的委員都知道國旗旗是老人的社區﹚尤其我們國旗軍是全國第一名的﹚ |
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的老人會生氣。 所以部長,在這裏面,我也等久以來,19年你還做衛福的召委的時候,我也邀你回來我們自己去看。 主管要轉臺灣公家用,要不再自己去,已經沒人老人會生氣。 |
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尤其長照,我們如果做得好,年輕人吃透露就不必煩惱,有長照講到要落狗。 所以部長,在這裏面,我如果你提起這個,你現在進行後如何回答一下? |
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好,首先我對於王委員、對於嘉義的關心建設,這樣通表示很感謝,因為我們爸爸媽媽都超過90歲了,都在嘉義。嘉義經營去這個長壽大樓,現在我們衛福部是 |
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有提出三頁,還有我們住所款,部裡面的住所款,我們差不多這個數目,其他可能我們來平平靜靜補一補分。因為我認為立行委補中跟院長,我在這裡我也為家理事來請命,因為家理事真的你看,我們的長照所在非常的欠缺,所以補中。 |
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你如果真的要跟我去跟議員一起看過﹖所以這非常要緊。 我也認為要多協助地方所需要。 不然一屆一屆議團,說實在的啦,建設會越來越壞啦。 議對人不會對啦,保證。 |
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來,院長,我們這裡的部長跟國務委員會在這裡面本席也有說到,我們的 |
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我們的總督高麗芊總督就是他,他在委員會去一間很實用的又大型的東西都可以放在那,因為高麗芊也去一間總督的帳戶,你花錢、你花酒的,大家都可以去參與,但是今天 |
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雖然是要問這個問題﹖但在我剛才中間要到4點進來前﹖接到國劃會我們的董事說﹖ |
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因罵仗勢來加班。 今天已經發文給我們宴會了。 所以在這裡要拜託院長, 能不能把自己的總督交給我, 把自己的總督拾到座位來, 公平為地。 |
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五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、五、五、五、五、五、五、五、五、五、五、五、五、 |
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是溝通的問題,所以溝通部長,本席要跟你說很多,說我問你做一個橋樑,去那交椅子、交椅棺協助一下,來我問你部長,到現在你如何協助交椅棺、交椅子? |
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跟委員報告齁,目前這個專案已經在我們1、2年齁,補助我們...沒有啦,不然這個我都知道,這個經費,前瞻性,會幾月,這都我委員拜託你們請出黨來給提案幾月啦,現在是說,我這樣拜託, |
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國內國立秘書長、教職部長, 拜託說是不是加以貫徹, 拜託出來過,因為未來的問題, 錢要出多少,什麼人要管理,這是最要緊的。 |
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補充,我今天要拜託這件事。 有,你兩個禮拜前有說到這件事。 有啦,兩個禮拜。 差不多,對。 包括我在科總召委開會的時候,你還要做秘書長,他不知道你要做補充的時候,我今天要拜託你。 |
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阿現在我有請我們的次長,負責軌道的次長,瞭解分擔經費的規定。 所謂補充,頂須要整處,又須要中央的合作啦。 但是要兩個首長要願意合作啦。 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝王委員 |
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謝謝卓院長。下一位我們請邱委員、志偉質詢。 |
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先請教院長,這個兩岸關係當然是有幾個重要原則,平等、互惠、尊嚴、互交流。這個前提之下,當然我們的政策規劃、我們政策思維 |
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加上中國的這個態度,會決定到兩岸關係的互動情況。 那行政院或者陸委會有沒有針對未來短期、中期、長期,短期一年,中期大概三、五年,長期的話十年,有沒有相關政策規劃或或者前進的推演? |
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最賣總共是什麼? |
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最負總共是什麼?有沒有預作相關的三分推演? |
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這部分我先請教邱主委您的看法 |
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謝謝邱委員的提問。非常感謝。事實上我們就是現階段我們希望兩岸能夠進行正常健康有序的交流。這就是這個海基會新任董事長鄭文燦他所說兩岸要穩健開放然後要逐階段的開放我們已經準備好了。 |
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海基會是陸委會授權的兩岸交流機關,對不對?是公權力行使的機關。然後副董事長也是秘書長,是羅文嘉,他說把橋樑架好,基礎打好,兩岸都能夠雙贏。這點我又不同意。主權不可能雙贏嘛。 |
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兩岸就是秉持賴總統所說的不卑不亢 |
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為時現狀,以對話代替對抗,合作代替為主。 |
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在過去8年來蔡總統打下基礎加上這個我們賴總統所提出的四大堅持四大原則我相信未來兩岸關係會比過去更穩定這樣結論您接受嗎? |
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剛剛我也有提到近期的部分我們怎麼改善,我想這個是一步一步來啦,那個賴總統也說過關於兩岸的學衛生互相的交流,以及觀光的互相的開放,那我們已經做出了第一步,雖然這個第一步還是不剩大家完全滿意,但至少這是我們做的第一步,我們也希望兩岸的觀光,我們的團客去了, |
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都過程都很順利、安全、品質都很好。 可操事在兩岸的互惠我們已經做了,對不對,以訴書在意、人事的安排、政治的規劃等等。 那如果中國還是一樣文攻武嚇,那我們也沒有,我們當然不背不抗嘛,對不對。 不能說這個我們熱點去替代冷屁股,兩岸一定是平等、互惠、尊嚴嘛。 所以我希望說能夠把持這個原則,在主權確保的狀況之下,穩健地推動兩岸的這個有秩序、安全的交流。 |
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謝謝主委接下來我想請國防部副部長還有委會管主委還有委會主委這個想跟院長討論一下第一級跟自衛權的辯證關係跟他界限比如說你邱國正部長期待 |
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他明確對第一級有定義,一公只要航空海航的實體,包括無人機、氣球侵入領空,無需開槍開炮,我們方就可以加以擊落。 這大概是在今年年初的時候,邱部長對於第一級所做的定義。 |
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那這個副部長上任之後說我方沒有第一級我們只有自衛權的行駛只要共機艦攻擊我們的航機艦設施或者攻擊我本外離島國軍需可進入12海里領空領海就可下令行駛自衛權當然那個是ROE就是這個交戰準則有相關的規定這個部分我想請教一下這個部長 |
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您跟那個邱部長所謂的第一級的定義以及未來在太平島守軍,太平島守軍是這個海巡署的官兵那當如果這個中共這個進犯這個太平島指揮權是隸屬於海委會管組委還是國防部這個邱部長還是授權我們指揮官,太平島指揮官來做判斷 |
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太平島目前是屬於海巡。 對啊,所以我在請教這個管主委。如果進入戰爭的狀態的話,依海巡而言他是要進入戰爭序列,那戰爭序列國家有國家的制度。 所以你是用自衛權的方式,而不是過去邱國正部長所說的第一級。 |
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跟委員報告,我們是守勢作戰跟這個防衛作戰,我們... 不,那你的自衛權...不能夠...沒有...你的自衛權跟幾個月前邱國正部長所說的第一集的概念又不一樣喔?我覺得邱部長大概當時談的第一集應該是在於我們遭受到攻擊的時候的自衛反擊的...他沒有說攻擊喔,他只要說沒有...不需要發砲,不需要攻擊,只要進入我國裡空臨海就可以擊落。 |
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那這個按照聯合國的憲章的51條應該是屬於自衛權的概念。所以邱部長時代第一級概念已經不適用了,現在是用所謂您所說的這個自衛權的行使來作為國軍。我的理解是國軍以來從來沒有改變,我們是守勢作戰,沒有主動採取第一級的目的。 |
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對於進入我國領空無人機或機艦實行所謂第一級﹖對於沒有經過許可任何的飛行物體進入到我們12海里的領空或領海的時候﹖我還是請院長這部分還是有點混淆那大概兩三個月前一個部長換了副部長之後對這個自衛權行使又不一樣然後海巡指揮系統又不一樣太平島管海巡 |
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市長,我們也知道這種國防任性的問題防衛任性的問題所以我們在內部是有討論過的但是我覺得這個對外來講我們覺得雙方還是 |
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要努力的促成穩定跟和平但是我們在所謂的航空識別區、臨街區或是臨海我們都有相當嚴謹的這個步驟跟程序這個不會在遇到事情的時候會有不一樣的這個處置我們告訴我們的這個海空這個官兵們一定是以保護國家安全為原則的還是要用這個自主防禦自衛權的方式來對付 |
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另外請教部長跟文化部的李部長 |
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這個中正紀念堂轉型,我們經過了8年,國務長您也是人權律師,這個中正紀念堂轉型,三位部長都沒有辦法徹底貫徹,我們逐步來推動,一項一項來,可以做的,有公司先來做,譬如說中正紀念堂現階段工作重點為何?我想文化部是主管機關,那有沒有可能撤除疑慮? |
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在這個時間點,我想請問部長或是院長。我個人的看法是,魚隊可以到自由廣場來操演。不用在這邊?如果可以的話,就我們跟文化部再進行協調。 |
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跟文化部繼續協調。 協調當中。那,詳細的案件在協調當中。但是,我們這邊,國安部就是說,現在我的立場就是說,移到這個... 但是不要這個,全時候在這邊助手。 |
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但可以在自由廣場,可以在自由廣場。 我想跟委員我們想想看,國人對於這種儀隊的表演,如果他是在中列時,大家都沒有任何其他的起義,對這些犧牲、壯烈犧牲的官兵們。 對,他只要迅威行話,比如變成一個,譬如說這個國軍的展演,或是表演,對不對? |
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而不是說作為一個威權威權機構,威權一個象徵的一個守護的一個角色。我是說這種儀隊的展演,如果是在那樣的場景,鍾烈子表示對壯烈犧牲國軍,過去到現在大家一種尊敬,那這樣子大家都沒有特別意見,是不是仿照這種方式可以考慮?你用國軍去守護獨裁者,這個我覺得我不能接受。 |
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國防部有這樣的想法,文化部有一個計畫在推動。 |
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李部長要不要跟委員說明一下?其實我們在行政院有一個短期正義推廣的小組,文化部就是負責中正紀念堂的專案小組。每半年開一次會,雖然我們下一次會議是10月,我想我們會提早,提早來開這個會。提早就好,有進度,我希望最快的時間把它完成。 |
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另外幾個地方性,就請顧部長了解一下,橋頭新章營區,它的營區很大,但是放只有50元住手。這個廢棄軍品都放在那邊,對土地閒置,這個請你去重視一下。另外橋頭金鐘新村只有兩戶在那邊,已經很破舊了,沒有任何改建計畫。請顧部長先了解這兩項的地方性的議題。這個部分我跟委員報告一下,因為那個 |
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沒關係那個你請繼續 |
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這一個左營的補給分庫是負責整個高雄地區還有金門、澎湖、梁末的運補所以它整個高雄地區的三軍部隊的各類的補給品這我了解啦,我已經先看過兩次所以我們評估過它現有的防箭物,它總共現在是3.13公頃嘛,現有防箭物有60棟其他還有一些訓練用的,所以現在是我只是希望說,你把營區的方法做一些調整 |
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謝謝國防部副部長。那個國防部李部長。 |
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所謂的這個文化幣我希望能夠下修到13歲國中生就開始有文化幣這個增加這個受惠大概五六十萬的這個學生增加預算也不多只有6億多另外再加上這個圖書卷圖書卷增加針對國高中生每年發500塊圖書卷培養閱讀工具培養文化國力 |
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30832.117 |
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請問院長您支持嗎? |
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30850.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
還有國發會主委 |
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護國產業對國家的競爭力、對國家的生存發展有至關重要。 護國產業,比如說版多特、AI、五代信賴產業包括軍工、安全監控、通訊。 |
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都是未來的護國產業,因為這些產業會讓國家競爭力提升,會讓國家有更強的這個國力。但是不能忽略的傳統製造業跟第一級的農漁業,我們對第一級的農業,包括農業當然是這個屬於農業部,傳統製造業包括金屬扣件,包括工具機,哇,受到匯率很大的影響。 |
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這一點我告訴你 |
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我們現在對所有的中小企業都會實施幫助他 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝卓委員,謝謝卓院長。 |
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報告委員會本日排定質詢的委員均與質詢完畢。 謝謝左院長、政府院長及各部會首長列席答詢。 現在做以下決定。 下次會議繼續進行施政方針報告之質詢。 |
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繼續處理復議案本院民進黨黨團針對第16次會議報告事項第18、39至43、84案之決定提出復議請公決案現做以下決定令定期處理報告院會本次會議進行到此為止現在散會 |