| IVOD_ID |
15995 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15995 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第17次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第17次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-07T08:30:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-07T17:04:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:33:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a6095ef703c6e4020453ad9f551ce5fa921f3be8d109af184be4ad561dc6988857f35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第17次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。
二、6月7日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、6月11日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:15 - 17:04:00 |
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報告委員會現在進行國是論壇每位委員發言3分鐘首先我們請張家俊委員發言 |
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院長、各位委員、大家早安。黃仁勛公開在電視媒體上呼籲說有適合的土地告訴他。我也想對他公開喊話,雲林縣就是他的最佳選擇。To NVIDIA CEO Jason Huang,I am Dr. Alice Chang,I am the Congresswoman that represents 雲林 County. |
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I would like to sincerely welcome you to establish your NVIDIA Research Center in my hometown Yunlin. |
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Yunlin County has abundant water and power supply as well as land, so Yunlin is your perfect choice. |
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雲林縣有6大優勢,我們要對回答說我們準備好了。首先雲林縣最大的優勢就是土地優勢。在雲林高鐵旁我們已經準備好了高鐵特定產業專區總計10公頃的土地。 |
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可以依法飆售﹚可以飆租﹚而且可以立即進駐。﹚同時今年中科湖北園區已經通過臺塘獨地的成租案若從湖北貫穿到土庫、寶中、東市整個串聯起來將會有1600公頃的土地足以容納臺積電的先進製程廠、半導體AI產業鏈、上下郵件廠 |
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放言50年都不用擔心土地的問題。 雲林縣絕對是發展AI產業的最佳城市。 其次雲林縣對AI產業的能源供應有穩定及極大的支持。 我們有豐富的水資源湖山水庫蓄水5347萬度。 |
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施政委員 |
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﹚廣告 |
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最重要的雲林引以為傲的就是我們的美食優勢,吃當季吃當地,我們有最新鮮的食材,雲林縣是臺灣的糧倉,也是臺灣農業產值最高的城市,我們會建議推薦你去逗留假扮玩。 |
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2047.607 |
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謝謝張家俊委員的發言。接下來請登記第二號林沛翔委員發言。 |
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往陽補牢為時未晚。禮拜一的時候在基隆八豆子地區發生了一件嚴重的走山事故。那其實這件事情不會只是發生在基隆而已。 |
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四月三號的大地震還有後面很多的餘震跟許許多多的無感地震都對我們全國的丘陵地造成我們看不見的極大的傷害。不管是地下的水文也好還是岩層的破壞也好 |
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都表示說我們針對我們的土地,我們針對我們的顏值探索,我們針對我們的編撥防護,要有更新一層的認識,更新一層的措施作為。所以本席在這邊特地把它提出來有三個意見,想請我們行政團隊好好來去思考並且執行。第一件事情就是針對我們公共建設有關中央部會所去管理的土地, |
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嚴格講起來,也就是交通部轄下的高鐵、台鐵 |
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高工局他們附近的甚至公路總局附近的編撥檢測必須要更詳細更明顯本席在昨天質詢的時候有特地見請交通部把本來B級的本來C級的土地也就是本來相對起來是以G來去做定期巡查的土地來去做更進一步的更進一步探測甚至把一些可能有可能發生危險的土地 |
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把他直接升成B級從一計一探測變成可能相近是兩個月或一個月一次探測確保這些地方的安全。第二個也是這邊本席要見請國土署在這邊幫都市計畫的土地來去做陰塵路的探討。據本席所了解光是在基隆西岸中山區湖海路過去10年之間就有4次的落實雖然 |
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很幸運的沒有造成人員的傷亡,但是造成當地居民的疑慮是的確發生的。而本席急不願看到說等到我們發生的事情之後再來說早知如此何必當初。 |
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第三點也是本席強烈建議的,有就是說在邊坡防測上面,在邊坡偵測上面,一向都是還是以人為肉眼來去做探測。但是現在科技發達,AI也好,無人機也好,我們都應該利用新的科技、新的技術來去確保我們人民的財產安全。以上三個建議是針對這次邊坡防測,希望我們行政團隊能從善如流納入考量。謝謝。 |
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2294.357 |
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謝謝林培祥委員的發言。接下來請登記第三號羅志強委員發言。行政院提復議七大原因 |
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2295.387 |
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2317.925 |
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我在這邊就打臉卓榮泰7次打臉卓榮泰7次第一個沒有實質討論違反民主原則一場專報三場公聽會四次政黨協商四天立法院焦土事從早上9點一路審到12點你跟我講沒有實質討論違反民主原則 |
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2342.115 |
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那你們的牢記法、鳥籠公投、錢債預算﹖看看邱毅宜是怎麼主持議事的。三分鐘碾壓、沒收討論、沒收表決﹖還甚至沒收在場的有異議。卓柯泰你站出來說這叫什麼民主?混淆雙手掌制。來不要羅志強打臉你齁。來聽聽賴清德怎麼講。這個是假訊息。因為根據,不管是根據憲法或是根據立法院職權刑事法 |
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2379.098 |
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總統都有義務應立法院的要求到國會去進行國情報告接受立法委員的國情質詢這是假訊息賴清德講的依照憲法、立法院職權行使法總統有義務到國會國情報告並接受質詢質詢喔賴清德講的喔我們的現在新的版本也不是質詢喔只是問答而已 |
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結果你跟我講 你想打點賴清德嗎卓榮泰 無差別調查民眾聽證範圍過廣 你是不懂中文嗎 |
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2390.796 |
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2411.073 |
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在我們的國會改革版本裡面最重要的門檻是什麼?第一個門檻就是必須跟立法委員職權相關按照憲法的職權預算法案你不可能因為個人因素去聽證調查民眾第二個門檻就是可以拒絕證言第三個門檻要院會決議啊 |
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2413.755 |
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2442.008 |
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一百一十三位的立法委員要當場院會決議你以為容易啊?看看那四天焦土事你有辦法隨便約詢民眾在院會通過決議嗎?第四個默示正當法律程序笑話一場你民進黨多數的時候就是正當法律程序你民進黨少數的時候就也要你們做主才是正當法律程序民主變成民進黨做主這就卓榮泰提出來的故意啦 |
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2442.828 |
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2459.719 |
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無限期審查人事同意權明顯假消息哪一個條文跟你講無限期審查人事同意權明明白白定有期限你跟我講無限期藐視國會定義不明我直接告訴你藐視國會在刑法那個只有一個定義叫說謊官員跟你第七項一樣 |
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2460.8 |
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2472.991 |
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我想請問,你在國會卓榮泰的意思是,官員說謊天經地義絕對不能管嗎?你們保護說謊官員不見證你的心虛。七個打臉卓榮泰。謝謝。謝謝羅志強委員的發言。接下來請登記第四號陳冠廷委員發言。 |
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2495.957 |
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2496.398 |
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現在農業部有推動倒座試選3 |
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2512.957 |
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2537.571 |
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施選三根據這個政策只要農民來去申請產銷履歷就可以不受施選三的限制就可以去繳交公糧可是現實的狀況上面有幾個農會都不斷的提出來有執行上的問題有很多農民即使申辦了產銷履歷他也沒有辦法順利交公糧第一個就是說產銷履歷的過程還有作業的時間特別是作業的時間是跟申報公糧的截止時間是有衝突的 |
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所以很多農民沒有辦法在申報的期間內完成所有的登錄的手續特別是在中老年的這樣子的農民那我們真的很希望說農業部能夠來積極的去輔導特別是跟數位跟電子相關的我們現在想要AI化、數位化 |
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但是很多在偏鄉的人,他們是缺乏這樣的資源,他們是需要引導的。那第二個部分就是時效到期的問題,財商履歷時效到期的問題。那我還是要強調,有些是在時效前把這個申請文件送到這個履歷公司去申請驗證,但是因為時間過長,他們還是沒有辦法按時申報公糧。那第三個部分就是跟土地相關,土地重劃帶來的困擾。 |
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2604.268 |
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那有些是因為土地從化之後地耗的異動那系統沒有辦法識別那系統沒有辦法識別的話就導致說他沒有辦法正常的申請公糧那這樣的話就算是農業部同意補登他所需要的費日剩時時間也要花了很多那這樣子會面臨到很多的困難那我們希望說這三個技術上面的問題跟流程我要提醒我們的行政院還有特別是農業部 |
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2630.944 |
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能夠體恤他們的辛苦,要求農業部能夠允許在公寮申報截止的日期後,可以補件登錄,截止後能夠補件登錄產銷履歷。這樣子的調整,它可以解決大農們的藍莓之急,對整體政策的推廣、推展,我相信都會有很大的幫助。那過去,大農在我們股價低迷的時候,他們都可以全力來配合政府。 |
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2632.055 |
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2658.609 |
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現在稻農遇到問題特別是中老年的稻農遇到問題我們希望政府能夠更積極的處理那其實除了農業部之外我們各級的農會都很願意來協助那我們也知道說很多農會在輔導農業政策的時候包含他們各鄉鎮的農會的總幹事都很積極的介入去處理那我們希望說未來另外一個方式就是讓農業部能夠提供更多的這樣子的能量給這一個相關的地方農會 |
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2659.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2660.809 |
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謝謝陳冠廷委員的發言。接下來請登記第5號陳金威委員發言。 |
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2697.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2713.18 |
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主席、各位官員、委員同事、國人同胞、媒體朋友大家早安。 這幾天護理師荒,各層級的醫院都需要關病房、關病床,一躍成為最驚悚的新聞頭條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2714.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2733.015 |
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每一個人或是你的家人都可能會生病,需要住院。三總的院長甚至說出,他可以少一個醫師,但不能沒有護理師。因為少了護理師的病床,就只是一張沒有功能的床罷了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2734.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2759.948 |
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各醫院紛紛傳出病床無法維持運作過中午停止接手術不開刀半夜遇到需要急診手術的案例不得不轉院結果呢衛福部告訴大家說數據表示國內的護理師病床數均比去年的同期增長不可能有關床潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2760.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2780.609 |
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我要問,臨床的每一家醫院醫療現場幾乎事態嚴重,當官員的卻跳出來說沒有這回事,一切OK,甚至比去年更好,這樣是第一線的醫護人員在造謠,還是衛福部在狀況外呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2782.15 |
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2797.277 |
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這讓我回想起一部美國的政治諷刺電影《千萬別抬頭》當吹哨者提供警訊時政府拼命叫大家別往上看因為沒看到就沒事 |
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2798.457 |
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2816.703 |
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從我們一屆內部提出的報表來看,全國最大的22家醫學中心級的醫院向衛福部申報健保的床數只佔了所有開放床數的92%,表示100床裡面只有7床是無法運作的。 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2817.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2839.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
衛福部曾經為大家設定目標說2030年的臺灣全臺的護理人力目標要達到24到26萬可是全國只有18萬的護理師一年竟增加只有2000位去年呢護理師的離職率達到11.73% |
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2843.326 |
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2850.43 |
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相信不需要是數學高手就可以知道,6年內我們根本不可能達到如此的目標,醫護崩盤可以預見。 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2853.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2881.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
今年的二月呢萬美玲委員在總質詢要求競速研擬護理白班的繁重津貼陳建仁院長與薛部長口口聲聲的說好結果才過了幾個月就變成還需要凝聚共識我要再次呼籲我們的官員還有我們的政府沒有充足的護理師就沒有醫療品質如果再繼續凝聚共識下去 |
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2881.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2883.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
謝謝陳敬威委員的發言接下來請登記第6號林俊憲委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2909.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2915.543 |
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好,謝謝主席。行政院卓院長、政府院長、各位部會首長。最近兩個禮拜, |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2916.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2938.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
NVIDIA執行長黃林勳以及AMD執行長蘇志峰以及國際各家科技巨頭領導人陸續訪臺。他們的演說都有一個共同點,就是沒有臺灣,人工智慧產業的爆發不可能成真。默默耕耘半導體幾十年的臺灣,有完整的產業鏈。 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2941.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2961.49 |
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讓臺灣站上了這一波新的工業革命的世界頂峰,也讓NVIDIA、AMD這些行業的領導者加大計畫要來投資臺灣,建立研發中心,跟我們臺灣的合作夥伴建立更緊密的關係,響應賴清德總統的人工智慧島的政策。 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2962.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2991.569 |
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那麼我們數位部也預計將要設立國家AI生態園區來協助跨國的AI科技業者落地臺灣。 這其中臺南很明顯的是最具有優勢、最符合需求的縣市。近年來臺灣半導體的重症已經有逐漸然移的趨勢。往南臺灣來,無論是園區的整體總產值、遠期用地取得的潛力 |
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2992.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2992.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
臨時提案委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
3020.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
3020.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
臨時提案時間 |
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3039.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
3068.395 |
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另外,臺南還是最有歷史風味、最有特色的城市。臺南有夜市、有臺灣最好吃的小吃點心。因此本席也在這裡向所有正在評估投資的這些跨國企業發出誠摯的邀請。臺南已經準備好了。何況我們AMD的蘇志峰、輝達的黃仁勳都是出自臺南。 |
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3069.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
3071.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
發展AI要選擇臺灣,投資臺灣,臺南最好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
3108.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
3129.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
大會主席、院長、各位部會首長、大家好。很遺憾,行政院最後還是針對立法院的立院職權行使法,也就是國會改革法案提出復議。這次通過了國會改革法案,本體是國會本身,立法院的事居然由行政院提出復議,這才是一件值得憲法法庭思考是否違憲的事。 |
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3130.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3148.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
有些人是刻意把國會改革法案曲解為國會擴權,但實際上此次修法的核心精神用一句話描述就是讓官員在立法院不再有說謊和逃避監督的機會。立院極權行政法的修正只是讓國會正常化。 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
3149.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
3170.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
中華民國憲法徵求條文第三條,行政院對於立法院決議的法律案如認為有至愛難行時,得經總統何可以請立法院復議。 我不知道讓官員不再說謊,對總統、對行政院來說到底哪裡有至愛難行的地方。 過去我們看到為了護航政策, |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
3171.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3196.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
行政院長在院會公然拉業者背書支持萊豬政策被業者打臉。我們也看到行政院發言人公然指控牛肉麵業者使用含萊克多巴胺又被業者打臉。疫情期間對高端疫苗有沒有絕標公告也是行政院長在院會上說謊。以上種種都是立法院要來推動國會改革的正當理由。 |
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3197.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3223.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
再看到行政院這一次提出了複製七大理由,有四條在說謊,由行政院的高度製造假消息,進行認知作戰,就如同之前的萊克多巴胺事件一樣,列兩條在指導立法院怎麼樣開會,一條在做憲法解釋。 行政院的七大理由就是將聽證權、調查權、藐視國會權等概念全部混為一談,尤其那句無差別調查民眾根本無中生有。 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
3224.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
3224.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
臨時提案委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
3236.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
3259.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
修法後這個標準沒有改變只是更加強調在監督制衡的行政院的範圍內行使調查權只有跟政府議案或標案密切相關的綠油油他才有機會被邀請協助調查多數民眾根本不可能也沒有理由成為調查對象廣場大媽都能調查台積電也能調查從頭到尾都是假消息 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
3260.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3272.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
本席幫各位顧一下我們現任行政院副院長鄭麗君當任立委期間也曾經邀請包含陳維廷等人在內的社會上有關係人員到立法院備詢。鄭麗君委員鄭麗君副院長當時這樣說應充分給予人民到國會表達意見的權利。 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
3278.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3294.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
全國律師聯合會理事長、前民進黨立委尤美女在民國101年12月13日上午9時主持公立會議時也主張依照中華民國憲法第67條規定及大法官會議四字第461號委員會開會時可邀請政府官員及社會上有關係人員到會備詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
3296.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3315.453 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
這一次行政院擴張自愛男性的定義,將違反民主原則、違憲等理由納入自愛男性的理由,才是違憲之舉。 行政院如果能跳過憲法法庭定義什麼是違憲,並作為夫妻的理由,這完完全全就是行政擴權。 如果作為國會議員對於行政權的擴張與打壓默不作聲, |
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3318.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3321.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
謝謝黃建豪委員發言報告委員會現在登記國是論壇發言的委員均已發言完畢現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
5395.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
5400.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
發言委員現在我們繼續開會,請秘書長報告出席人數。報告議員會出席委員38人,已足法定人數。 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
5404.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
5407.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
現在開會進行報告事項。請民事長宣讀第一會期第16次會議．事由． |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
5434.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
5450.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
列席官員、行政院院長、卓榮泰等40人、主席院長韓國瑜,報告施向第一案宣讀本院第11屆第1會期第15次會議事路,決定第二至28案、第三十至57案、第五至九至68案、第七十一 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
5450.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
5474.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
至74案．第76至109案均決定交互相關委員會審查．第29案．第58案．第75案均決定競互報讀與相關提案並按協商．第69案．第70案均決定競互報讀執行事項獎．行政院答覆部分五件．與本院委員執行部分三件．行政院院長提出施政方針並 |
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| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
5495.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
答覆執行決定令第幾繼續進行施政方針報告支持群討論事項第一次試案均決議通過第五案決議交互黨團協商並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商其他事項一本次會議施政方針報告事項及執行事項照台灣民眾黨團及國民黨黨團提議通過討論事項照國民黨黨團提議通過一5月16號 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
5505.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
5531.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
協商結論定於5月31日星期五, 邀請新任行政院長等內席進行施政方針報告並為執行。 報民進黨黨團提議抽出禁話讀一案,國民黨黨團提議抽出禁話讀二案均予以通過。 宣讀完畢。報議院會現有鄭天才委員聲明, 有關上次議院會通過原住民保留地禁法補償條例第六條條文修正案, |
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5532.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
5552.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
系委員高金素梅、委員鄭天才、委員盧憲一、委員吳立華、委員陳盈等人分別提案。經院會處理、照內政經濟聯繫會議室審查會條文通過,特列入公報記錄﹖第1會期第16次會議一事錄確定。請宣讀第二案。 |
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5553.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
5582.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
第二案,本月委員張宏祿等22人聯聚,工廠管理輔導法第28條之13及第28條之14條維修政策請審議案。陳修緣會間,你請會交經濟委員會審查,宣讀完畢。第三案,本月委員張宏祿等22人聯聚,村林城工生文服需條例草案請審議案。陳修緣會間,你請會交內政司法及法治兩委員會審查,宣讀完畢。 |
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5584.543 |
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五議通過下案五議通過下案五議通過下案 |
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第六案．第七案．第七案． |
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第8案 本院委員有後等37年已據政黨及其附隨組織不動取得財產處理條例第4條及第34條條文修正草原侵水案。 財政委員會皆立即會交內政財政司法及法治三委員會審查。 宣言完畢報告委員會報告事項第8案現由民進黨黨團提議退回程序委員會重新提出請問委員會有無異議沒有異議好我們退回程序委員會下一案 |
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5674.691 |
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第九案 北日委員由浩等﹐38日離聚﹐警察人員人事條例第35條條維修正常案請審案﹐財修委員會間立行會將司法及法制內政兩委員會審查﹐宣言完畢 |
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5679.062 |
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5680.823 |
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五一通過下案五一通過下案五一通過下案 |
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5704.699 |
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5706.019 |
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第十二案．第十三案． |
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5752.822 |
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第14案 北越原黃人等36人離聚,土石採取法第3條及第14條談文修正常請水案。陳修緣會見,你請回交經濟委員會審查,宣讀完畢。第15案 北越原翁小林等18人離聚,中央法規標準法第7條談文修正常請水案。陳修緣會見,你請回交司法及法治委員會審查,宣讀完畢。 |
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5754.443 |
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5781.856 |
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第16案（北域委員翁小林等18人聯聚陸海工訓刑法第39條及第40條條務修正常請選一案。﹐財修委員會見議請回交司法及外事外交及國防聯委員會審查。 宣言完畢。 無異通過下議案。 第17案（北域委員盧先義等17人聯聚癌症防治法第8條及第16條條務修正常請選一案。 財修委員會見議請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。 宣言完畢。 無異通過下議案。 |
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5782.284 |
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5783.684 |
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第18案．第19案．第19案． |
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5806.491 |
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5829.947 |
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第20案本院委員羅廷偉等17人聆聚時間衛生法第23條條文修正常請選一案。陳修永會見你請回交教育界文化委員會審查。 宣傳完畢。第21案本院委員羅廷偉等17人聆聚中華民國新法第339條這次條文修正常請選一案。陳修永會見你請回交司法及法律委員會審查。 宣傳完畢。 |
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5831.548 |
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5856.256 |
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第二十二案本院委員羅廷偉等20人聯聚職工福利金條例第11條及第12條條維修正常勤水案採訊委員會建立請會長和社會福利及優先環境人或審查。 宣言完畢第二十三案本院委員羅廷偉等17人聯聚市民安全衛生管理法第15條條維修正常勤水案採訊委員會建立請會長和社會福利及優先環境人或審查。 宣言完畢 |
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5857.896 |
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5877.876 |
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第24 本院委員王美惠等18人離聚,照7分罪危害防事條例草案請水恩。 財政委員會接臨時會長內政委員會審查,宣言完畢。 無疑通過下議案。 第25 本院委員徐欣盈等16人離聚,娛樂稅法部分條文修正草案請水恩。 財政委員會接臨時會長財政委員會審查,宣言完畢。 |
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5879.457 |
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5881.259 |
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無異議通過下議案。無異議通過下議案。 |
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5895.131 |
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5914.801 |
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第二十七二,本院委員王振旭等23人聯聚,要施法第20條條文修正常情緒一二,財修委員會見臨時委員會將社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查,訓練完畢。第二十八二,本院委員徐宇貞等19人聯聚,戶籍法第16條條文修正常情緒一二,財修委員會見臨時委員會將內政委員會審查,訓練完畢。 |
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5944.413 |
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第二十九案本院院徐宇珍的十九人聯聚宗教團第一自然人民義登記不動產處理暫時條例第五條條務修正草案請審議案陳修揚會見內勤會教內政委員會審查宣言完畢無疑通過下案第三十案本院院張志倫的十七人聯聚警察人員人事條例第35條條務修正草案請審議案陳修揚會見內勤會教司法及法律內政兩委員會審查宣言完畢無疑通過下案 |
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5944.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
5963.291 |
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第31案 委員陳昌明等17人鄰居﹐第1法第49條條無休政策請水案﹐陳秀園會見你請會加入監禁委員會審查﹐宣言完畢第32案 委員林建琦等16人鄰居﹐私立選上法第62條條無休政策請水案﹐陳秀園會見你請會加入監禁委員會審查﹐宣言完畢 |
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5966.914 |
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5967.755 |
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五議通過下議案五議通過下議案五議通過下議案 |
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6020.023 |
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第三十五案本院院員蘇清泉等24人聯聚環境經濟法第13條及第28條條文修正常請審議案。財修委員會見議請會見為社會福利及維修環境委員會審查。宣告完畢。五議通過下議案第三十六案本院院員賴瑞隆等17人聯聚低風靡代表費用支給及催淚場的事務補助費補助條例第6條第7條及第10條條文修正常請審議案。財修委員會見議請會見內政委員會審查。宣告完畢。五議通過下議案 |
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第三十七案）第38案）第三十八案） |
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第39屆第40屆無意通過下案 |
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6075.895 |
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第41屆第42無意通過下一案 |
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6098.891 |
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6118.657 |
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第43案本院委員徐宇珍等23人聯聚施政學校法第6條條文修正草案請審議案。陳修揚會見你請回交交易前文化委員會審查。 宣布完畢。第44案本院委員徐宇珍等22人聯聚入省資料保護法第6條條文修正草案請審議案。陳修揚會見你請回交經濟委員會審查。 宣布完畢。 |
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6123.058 |
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第45案 本院委員羅廷文等22人聯聚。 詐欺犯罪危害方式條例草案請選一案。 才修委員會見臨時委員會交內政委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。第46案 本院委員外媒林等20人聯聚。 私立學校法第62條條文修正草案請選一案。 才修委員會見臨時委員會交交警官報委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。 |
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五一通過下案五一通過下案五一通過下案 |
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第49案,本院委員郭國文等19人離聚,農村再生條例第二條、第七條及第15條等維修正常勤選一案。陳勛委員會見,你請回交監禁委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。報告院會,報告事項第49案,現有民進黨黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案併案協商。請問院會有異議?沒有異議。我們本案禁服二讀與相關的提案併案協商。下一案。 |
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第五十案 本會議員郭國文等選舉委員連續不動產正確化條例第六十五條及第六十四條條無修正常請審議案。 財政委員會審查。 宣討完畢。報告院會報告事項第五十案。 現有民進黨黨團體禁服二讀以相關的提案並案協商。 請問院會有無異議。 沒有異議本案禁服二讀以相關的提案並案協商。 下一案 |
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6244.43 |
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第51案 北陸委員參議與等18人聯聚詐欺犯罪違反法事條例草案請審案。﹐財修委員會見臨時委員會交內政委員會審查。﹐宣告完畢第52案 北陸委員參議與等18人聯聚通訊保障及監察法部分條文修正草案請審案。﹐財修委員會見臨時委員會交司法及法治委員會審查。﹐宣告完畢 |
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6245.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
6272.342 |
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第53案 北院臺灣民眾黨的團聯劇 教育基本法增添第8條之一條文草案請選案 柴修園會見年輕會教教育及文化委員會審查 宣布完畢無異通過下案第54案 北院臺灣民眾黨的團聯劇 高級中等影像教育基段非學校型態實驗教育實施條例第4條條文修正常請選案 柴修園會見年輕會教教育及文化委員會審查 宣布完畢無異通過下案 |
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6295.939 |
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第55案 總統資為考試院第13屆院長、副院長及考試委員任期於113年8月31日屆滿。 自依據《憲法》增修條文第6條第二項規定,提名朱鴻憲為考試院第14屆院長、許淑祥為考試院第14屆副院長、邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗玲、黃東毅、伊娃。 |
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6325.47 |
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一、萬、那、威﹑七位為考試院第14屆的考試委員致請同意案。﹐陳修緣會屆年期會交、全院委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢。﹐五、十六案。﹐行政院函送財政法人國家衛生研究院100歲年度工作執行成果及收支決算案。﹐陳修緣會屆年期會交、社會福利修身環境委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢。﹐五、十七案。﹐行政院函送財政法人工業技術研究院100歲年度決算書案。﹐ |
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無異議通過下言無異議通過下言 |
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6348.365 |
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6369.533 |
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第59案,國防部橫送財政法人國防安全研究院一百十二年度決算書案,陳修揚會計院立行會教會交集國防委員會審查,宣讀完畢。第60案,國軍退守官兵輔導委員會橫送財政法人榮明榮俊基金會一百十二年度決算書案,陳修揚會計院立行會教會交集國防委員會審查,宣讀完畢。 |
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6370.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
6383.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
第61案 交通部函送財政法院臺灣郵政協會等6家財政法人110年度決算書案,從修園會建議請回交交通委員會審查,宣讀完畢。第62案 道路委員會函送財政法人海峽交流基金會110年度決算書及監察報告書案,從修園會建議請回交內政委員會審查,宣讀完畢。第63案 衛生福利部函送財政法人音樂評鑑及醫療比率測試會等9家財政法人110年度決算書案, |
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6401.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
6402.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
無異通過下言。第64案。無異通過下言。第65案。 |
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6426.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
6433.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
報言會第65案國民黨黨團提議改交審查本案交經濟委員會審查下一案無異議通過下一案 |
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6448.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
6459.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
第67案 農業部法委 行政院農業委員會 農田水利署 屏東管理署 農田水利設施範圍 名稱 修正委 農業部農田水利署 屏東管理署 農田水利設施範圍 並修正設施範圍 強修委員會 建立行政會長 經濟委員會 宣布完畢 |
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6465.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
6483.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
第68案 農業部行為促進停止自發生廢臭作物至國家地區以郵遞寄送輸入出售產品第二天規定。 財政委員會屆臨行會將進行委員會。 宣讀完畢。第69案 財政部行為激動調整普特蘭疫情水利、汽油及柴油貨物稅應徵稅額。 財政委員會屆臨行會將財政委員會。 宣讀完畢。 |
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6487.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
6502.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
無異通過下議案。）第72財政部還從112年度個人捐贈公共設施保留地或經政府評為公眾通行道路之土地列報列舉扣除性額之計算精準程序委員會見立行會長財政委員會宣布完畢。）無異通過下議案。 |
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6503.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
6503.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
無異通過下議案 |
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6518.291 |
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6545.636 |
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第72 基準監督管理委員會海灣修正住宅、地震、保險危險分散基準實施辦法部分條文。 財政委員會見議請回交財政委員會。 宣布完畢。第73 交通部海灣交通部觀光局大盲灣國家風景區管理處管理有長居建築事項名稱修正委。 交通部觀光署大盲灣國家風景區管理處管理有長居建築事項並促成第一點規定。 財政委員會見議請回交交通部委員會。 宣布完畢。 |
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6547.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
6565.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
第74案 交通委員會修正 國際行權分配及包機審查綱要 第4條、第11條、第12條的文件 第6條附表 程序委員會見 立行回交交通委員會 宣讀完畢報告委員會本案 臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查 本案交交通委員會審查下一案 |
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6567.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
第七十五議案．第七十六議案． |
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6588.273 |
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無異議通過下一案 |
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無異通過下案無異通過下案 |
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第82 衛生福利部海維修陣 要事法第102條所刪無要事人員職業職平原地區與非屬商屬平原地區列表附表五附表十二附表十五 及全民健康保障新醫療資源不足地區改善方案循環地點列出要事法第102條所刪無要事人員職業職平原地區列表附表八陳修緣會見你請回交社會福利事務社環境委員會宣傳完畢 |
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第82衛生福利部委員嚴重藥物不良反應通報被法兵修正委。藥品嚴重不良反應通報被法兵修正條文。採訪委員會建議請加入社會福利及衛生環境委員會。宣傳完畢。報告委員會國民黨黨團提議本案改交審查。因此本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。下一案 |
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第82 衛生國立部海外修正食品充污染物質及毒素衛生標準第六條條文及第三條副表1採修委員會建立行會教育社會福利優勝環境委員會 宣讀完畢第83 衛生國立部海外修正受聘務為國人健康檢查管理辦法部分條文採修委員會建立行會教育社會福利優勝環境委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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第84案,衛生福利部海外修正,農藥殘留優學料標準第7條條文集,第3條副表1,第6條副表5,陳修緣會見,你請回交社會福利及優勝換金委員會。 宣告完畢。 委員通過 |
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報告委員會第85案到224案請依序宣讀其中,第85、87到90、94、100、103到106、124、125、198到200、208、218、222、223案,臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查。宣讀後,以上提案均交相關委員會審查,其餘議案均照程序委員會意見通過。請問委員會有異。 |
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免議宣讀後通過,請宣讀。 |
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第二、二百二十五案以下請一併宣讀。宣讀後均準以被查。請宣讀。 |
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第2日午案 主席二、七案為本院清理及文化司法及法治委員會函,為院會交付審查國家科學及基礎委員會一百十三年六中央政府準算權益等案,因應審查完據。 第2日報案為本院內政委員會函, |
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委員會將會審查相關緊張命令﹐已於立法院職權行事法第60條所定審查期限﹐職權事項講行政院答覆部分﹐前進函送本院局委員經營等所提職權之書面答覆公告意見﹐以本院委員職權部分﹐本院委員最強向行政院提出職權公告意見﹐宣讀完畢。 |
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報告委員會,現在對行政院院長施政方針報告繼續質詢。 進行質詢之前,請秘書長報告部會首長請假情況。報告委員會,行政院來函中央選舉委員會李主任委員晉勇本日下午3時45分起因公請假,由陳副主任委員曹健代表列席。報告完畢。報告委員會,現在首先我們請高金素美委員質詢。 |
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謝謝韓院長。大家早安。我們有請卓榮泰院長。麻煩請卓院長備詢。還有陳主席長以及委員會主委。麻煩請陳主席長備詢。謝謝。 |
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委員長早安我們這次初次見面希望我們今天的30分鐘我們彼此會有非常好的互動給彼此留下非常美好的印象好嗎好謝謝院長公務員應該要依法行政是不是是的好謝謝我們先來看一下一段影片這是有關原住民金髮補償我在這邊跟前行政院長我們的對話 |
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復活法律 |
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看完了很清楚對吧?好,原住民族禁法補償修正案也已經在6月4日立法院三度通過了。這是政府的法律義務支出。那麼行政院就應該要依法來編列。禁法修正這個草案通過之後呢,園民會估算每年會增加26億。 |
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6月4日禁法補償三讀通過之前我們在協商會場面柯總召他要原民會在明年他們的匡列預算125億裡面自行吸收這增加的26億當時我還有曾主委都在現場而吳思耀幹事長他也講他說禁法補償增加的26億的預算裡面他會排擠掉原民會的 |
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是必須討論,而且在修法的過程中就應該合理的討論。謝謝,我們討論很久了,而且你也看了上面的這個回應,陳前院長他其實是同意的。 |
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主計長,我要請問您,編列預算的調整原則至少應該做到效益最大化、傷害最小化,您同意吧?是。好,謝謝。所以院長,由主計長這麼說,我們是不是就應該把依法增加的這26億的預算放在 |
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三兆兩千億的行政院裡面的大水庫中來調整而不是在原民會裡面125億的小水池裡面來調整這樣才不會對原住民造成傷害院長你應該同意我這個原則吧 |
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這個還經過國家財政紀律的考量以及整個預算概算預算的編列那現在已經進行到相當的程度所以這個26億所增加出來的預算他應該是屬於原民自己 |
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這個原住民的同胞們應該得到的一些照顧,應該照放在原民的預算裡面去執行。 我提醒你一下不是照顧,我一直在講這是憲法因為限制人民的私有財產的利用,因此應該要由法律來保障他們的權益,所以不是照顧。 我要再提醒你一下,這是法律義務的支出。 |
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所以呢我以上跟您提醒這個部分我希望院長您回去了之後真的好好考慮一下我們怎麼樣來把這個預算把它如剛剛主計長講的效益最大化傷害最小化而且僅僅只有25億他在所謂的3億3兆2000億的大水庫裡面不會造成影響我相信 |
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這是從3萬到6萬加倍的增加 |
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我不同意你的說法,非常遺憾我希望院長你回去再考慮清楚您的立場跟我們上一屆的行政院長的立場還有我們的主席長的立場是不一樣的沒有不同我會一直盯這件事情盯到底 |
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我提醒高居委員剛剛前主席長說的是大家允許合理討論大家有共識合理討論所以我現在跟你說嘛是在大水庫理論不是在圓明會裡面預算嘛因為我們大水庫裡面有三兆兩千億嘛圓明會的預算只有125億嘛所以應該就是得要如此來做嘛對不對好了院長我們不要一開始就在這邊有政治 |
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我請你我請你回去以後好好考慮我會盯著這件事情好不好然後全國人民還有包括原住民的族人一定都在看這件事情然後我在這邊要提醒曾主委主委原民會你們不要再習慣給自己穿小鞋了好不好先請主席長還有曾主委可以先回座休息謝謝 |
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院長過去新院長在這邊上任的時候我總是會講一段歷史希望我們都能夠以史為鑑我待會要講的這歷史有一點點長我希望你能夠有點耐心聽完聽完了之後我會以留時間給你來回應好不好謝謝這個會期開議以來為了國會改革的法案立法院的內外發生了非常多的事情 |
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我在立法院這裡工作了22年我跟所有的委員都知道法案從提案一直到通過我們一般都是依照立法院的議事規則在運作的過去呢就算發生過朝野攻防的情況都還能夠依照民主的原則協商、妥協然後在這裡表決通過但是呢這次卻不一樣因為在立法院席次比較少的民進黨他在議場之內看一下照片簡單 |
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出報的把國會改革的法案抹黑成黑鄉反民主抹紅成國會香港化沒有任何證據就可以指控國會改革的法案是習近平指控是我們習近平這個要求韓院長還有傅坤祺要來幹的然後柯總召他還預告了立法院會發生史上最嚴重的衝突 |
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7313.304 |
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而賴清等總統他要聚集在立法院外面的青鳥群眾守護民主。柯總召他又號召的這些青鳥要飛到立法院來。一朝外面的黑熊部隊更是直接了當的喊打喊殺。我們看一下這個影片。他讓台灣的民主死亡,我們讓他死亡也是剛好而已。 |
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您上了第4天就準備要對立法院提復議案。 俗話說當家不鬧事可是現在當家執政的民進黨政府你們卻不斷的在激化朝野的對立。 發生這麼多的事情讓我對台灣的民主體制還有憲政程序非常的憂心啊。 我認為歷史它是一面鏡子 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
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唐太宗曾經說過以童為敬可以爭一官,以史為敬可以和心替,以人為敬可以名得失。而院長您是賴總統所提名的行政院長,您對賴總統他上任以後的施政理念應該是最了解的。我讓您看一下一段影片。兩季期所發生的重重危殆事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
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來進行社會改造國家重建來設定每一個人的人生看到了嗎賴總統他在4月6日出席鄭楠榮特長的開幕記者會上面他說這段話他說我再重複一遍他要利用過去發生的種種偉大的事件來進行社會改造國家重建還有要洗滌每一個人的人生他的這段話 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
7413.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
讓我打了一個冷戰聽到了非常毛骨悚然我們看到過去8年民進黨政府他經常宣傳說有政府會做事並且還組成了一個一個的超前部署的國家隊 |
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他們自稱是政績空前而民進黨政府都把執政說得這麼出色了為什麼賴總統他還要國家重建呢?是賴總統他不滿意蔡總統這8年來自稱的政績所以才要重建國家嗎?所以才要改造社會嗎?所以才要洗滌每一個人的人生嗎?而賴總統他說的這個國家重建他讓我想起了一個歷史人物 |
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他不但曾經高喊過國家重建,他還真的立了一個國家重建法。 這就是90年前1934年1月30日當時擔任德意志聯邦共和國的總理阿道夫希特勒他頒布了一個國家重建法而這項法律他直接取消了各聯邦的人民議會 |
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各幫的政府變成了沒有自治權沒有自決權的行政機構而這條法例的前言他宣稱這個是國會一致表決通過的而他講這句話當然是沒有錯因為那個時候德國所有的政黨基本上都被希特勒消滅掉了只剩下納粹黨我們來回顧一下這段歷史 |
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1930年代初,看一下很多的影片。希特勒他領導的納粹黨,他成為了德國的第一大黨,但是他的席次並沒有過半。而不喜歡聖明黨還有共產黨的德國總統辛登堡,他利用納粹黨對付左派的政黨。他因此任命了希特勒擔任了共和國的總理。 |
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少數執政的納粹黨上臺之後他的內政部長戈林他就發動了五萬名的納粹衝鋒隊還有黨衛隊員以反共的名義指控還有鎮壓其他的在野黨1933年的2月27號德國國會大廈發生了一個大火而希特勒他宣稱這是共產黨幹的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
起火後第二天新東寶總統他馬上就簽署了保護人民和國家法令他暫停執行了憲法所保障的七項公民自由權利他們說這個法律是為了要防止共產黨危害國家暴力行為的預防措施然後納粹黨呢他就逮捕了四千名的共產黨人還有聲明黨人以及國會議員濫捕濫殺包括 |
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| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
嚴刑拷打﹚多年之後希特勒他任命的內政部長戈林他終於講了實話他說什麼他說火燒國會就是我們幹的院長您看反共抹紅多麼好用以前納粹黨用現在你們民進黨還在用好像只要貼上共產黨的標籤就可以為所欲為然後政治正確 |
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還沒還會給你時間好嗎但是儘管火燒國會非法鎮壓希特勒他的納粹黨在3月5號的國會選舉當中他的席次依然是沒有過半的只有44%這好像民進黨在2024年選舉一樣而被鎮壓的聲明黨還有保持第二大黨的地位然後共產黨是排名第三看一下這個席次 |
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如果希特勒他只是想要鞏固他的內閣政權的話,他只要聯合一下其他的右派政黨其實就可以了。但是希特勒他不這麼想,他要的不僅僅只是內閣,他要的是獨裁。 |
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所以他當然不願意跟在野黨做任何的妥協,於是他把左派的國會議員全部一網打盡,然後很快的通過了什麼,通過了解除人民跟帝國苦難法。 這個法律雖然只有短短的五個條文,他卻直接的把國會的立法權, |
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預算權、締約權、修憲權全部轉移到希特勒的內閣。之後的法律也只能夠由希特勒總理他來起草,並且可以不同於憲法,所以也就沒有所謂的違憲的問題了。 |
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德國的議會的民主制度從這個開始就被希特勒埋葬。德國中的所有的一切的權力全部集中到了希特勒他的手中。 |
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很快的不到一年希特勒他頒布了國家重建法我再講一次國家重建法他是取消了各聯邦的人民議會而各邦的政府完全變成了中央的附屬行政機構從中央到地方希特勒他的權力是一把抓他終於實現了全面獨裁 |
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我剛剛講的這是一段過去發生的事件。他不但改變了德國,他更改變了世界。而獨裁的希特勒從此之後他開始放手發動什麼?發動他所謂的社會改造。然後用納粹的信條洗滌了每一個德國人的人生。 |
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還並且發動了世界大戰。 這不僅讓我想到賴總統他說,剛剛也看到了,他要利用過去所發生的種種偉大的事件來進行社會改造,來進行國家重建,他還要洗涤每一個人的人生。 |
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難道民進黨總統他所謂的國家重建的藍圖就是要按照德國國會的歷史的劇本來完成嗎?我們來看一下再回顧一下5月17號 |
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來想一下如果賴總統他號召的守護民主的這些青鳥還有這些黑熊部隊然後按照柯建民總召他的指示真的飛進了議場然後也發生了柯總召所說的史上最嚴重的衝突會不會也有一把火燒到立法院呢而院長您說你要依照憲法提出復議 |
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復議如果沒有通過,號召守護民主的賴總統,他會不會拒絕簽署法案,還有拒絕公告。而柯總召他要提釋憲,並且他揚言釋憲的結果出來之前呢,他要凍結國會的改革法案。 |
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這樣做就是守護民主了嗎?40%民意的少數政府要與60%的在野的民意對抗這個社會還能夠安居樂業嗎?我講的這段歷史是以前的歷史但是這一陣子發生的這些也是事實所以現在給你時間我想聽聽卓院長您的想法 |
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謝謝委員也非常佩服委員也再一次清楚聽到委員對於共產黨在二戰前那個希特勒主政的時候所受到的迫害您非常清楚我想你字眼當中對共產黨那個迫害的歷史你非常清楚我講的是希特勒對但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
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你不清楚臺灣人民面對威權時代受到什麼樣的迫害我怎麼會不清楚呢?當然清楚所以賴總統所說的偉大的事件在那個場景底下你應該清楚他講的是什麼事件臺灣人民一波又一波的面對威權的時候 |
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我們在哪裡只有那些犧牲的前輩們他們用自己的生命跟熱血換到了今天我們可以站在這裡互相的對話民主的對話但是如果把它引申為跟希特勒那個時代的希特勒那絕對是歷史上完全不會做這樣的牽連的同時也不要對青鳥的那些活動的群眾們貼標籤他不是賴清德總統所號召來的 |
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也不是我們所有的任何一個民進黨人可以去號召來的那些青鳥朋友們他們是看到了在立法院裡面整個的審查法案的過程他們覺得他們身為人命的權利被剝奪了他們看不到一個合理民主秩序跟民主程序的審查所以他們主動的站出來了那怎麼可以說他們是被誰所號召而來的呢所以很多的前提在你的歷史 |
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時間是對的,內容很多是不對的,引申過來更有嚴重的落差。講完了嗎?我講得比較簡短。好,謝謝。院長您的高度在這邊講,我真的實在是有一點覺得好笑。當然您說以前的這個民主主義是我們有很多的前輩他用他的生命犧牲換來的。 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
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難道我現在要講的就是這個所謂的特權是不是要國家改造,然後所謂的這個社會改造或者是洗敵人心,您還沒有回答我,沒有關係。 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
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所以你認為現在臺灣的人民需要被洗滌啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
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8039.155 |
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好遺憾,謝謝卓院長,多數的人民是希望看到一個跟過去8年執政不一樣的政府新氣象可是我們看到賴總統他的就職演說讓很多人錯愕我希望誠意溝通人民優先的卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
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你能夠不要再讓多數人民的期待落空了。 我當然更不希望90年前曾經發生過的德國歷史因為少數人的權利欲望而痛苦的重演。 這不會發生在台灣的今天。 因為受苦的將會是人民。 這不會發生在今天的台灣。 院長我再讓你回顧一下 |
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立法院審查國會改革案的那幾天一場內的暴力橫行看一下這很多的照片公然掛布條指控立法委員是中共的同路人一場外面的黑熊部隊青鳥亂飛然後掛看板要槍斃中共的立委賴總統他也鼓勵青鳥要守護民主柯總召他號召這些青鳥 |
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你要飛進議場啊並且現在還煽動什麼?煽動要罷免在野黨的立法委員再加上最恐怖的是無所不在監控人民手機訊號的天網而當天納粹的劇本要素都已經在這邊一一的具備了而我昨天晚上也很認真的看了行政院裡面的記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
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我感到非常的悲觀我知道行政院一定會對國會改革提出復議可是呢在記者會上面的發言人還有政委他們提出復議的七大理由竟然跟我們一場之內民進黨立法委員說謊的說法 |
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還有議場外面青鳥的控訴看一下那麼可怕的一些畫面還有橫行網路的1450的這些網軍他的說法一致院長你們的高度怎麼會跟這些人講法是一樣呢我很期待你們會講出更好的一段說詞一段說法但是你們的發言人還有你們的政委 |
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講的都跟立法委員、網軍還有這一些謊話還有不是事實的事實講的一模一樣。然後我必須講一下回首看歷史。轉頭我再看一下你,你不要打斷,我會給你時間好不好。我很不喜歡我們在說話的時候互相打斷。您說話的時候我也沒有給你打斷啊。 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
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而且給你非常多的時間充分的在表達你的看法嘛所以我說話的時候你也不要打斷好不好這是最基本的禮貌好嗎謝謝如果你可以給我段落的話會比較好回答我是意思是講給我段落因為我的講話必須段落啊所以我也給你段落的回應嘛當我們回首看一下這段歷史的時候我再回頭來看看我真的 |
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我真的覺得你正是站在民族的懸崖邊啊。 我真的非常期待院長你能夠以史為鑑。 這個史、這個歷史不僅僅是臺灣的這一段過程的歷史, 它更是剛剛我說的90年前希特勒他的獨裁。 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
謝謝委員如果一開始您說不希望有委員或是任何人用習近平來演 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
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8269.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
只有一種 |
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行政院的職權不要干涉到立法院立法院在這邊是合法的通過了國會改革的法案包括進法補償提醒您我實踐沒有程序不正義我們所有在立法院討論的法案全部在立法院的網站裡面公開的跟人民報告人民可以去看立法院裡面的網路就會非常的清楚 |
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8328.643 |
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謝謝高金素梅委員的質詢。謝謝卓院長的備詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
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8357.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
報告委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽的是合作式學堂的同學們,我們掌聲歡迎那小孩子,歡迎你們來立法院。接下來請登記第二號麥玉珍委員質詢。 |
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再請卓院長備詢。院長好,很開心吼。 |
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謝謝,謝謝麥委員非常的努力啊,陪我們走了一些地方,看到了很多國家在進步的發展的現場,這個以後有相類似的場所,我們還是會邀請歡迎麥委員到現場來。 |
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好謝謝因為今天來到這邊除了院長還有其他的部會都是老朋友也是合作過也幫助過都升官了恭喜大家所以在今天的臺灣社會交通想要請教一下我們的院長不僅僅是一種從A點再移到B點這樣子的移動式 |
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他是經濟發展與社會公平的重要因素。當我們討論到交通政策時,我們常常聚焦於都市高速公路、廣見或者智慧交通的科技應用。但是呢,我們往往都忽略了偏鄉地區的交通建設。請問院長拉近城鄉差距是我們的目標嗎? |
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當然是,我們追求是均衡台灣,把台灣每個地方都把它的各項的建設跟人民的生活都把它往上提升,讓台灣到每個地方都能感受到同樣的政策的照顧跟所有的制度。 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
臨時提案 |
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8497.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
﹚廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
8523.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
8537.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
另外我們在統計全臺有62個臺鐵站還沒有無障礙電梯。所以呢而且這個問題已經反映了10年了。 |
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8563.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
但是關於班次還有無障礙的措施的問題臺鐵每次都等待說雙軌化還有不符合的效益為由拒絕改善我也邀請來說跟我們說明也拒絕了所以請問院長你認為這樣的偏鄉及行動不便的居民這樣公平嗎? |
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8579.64 |
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我希望台鐵的服務會越來越好那細節請部長來跟委員說明好委員跟您報告有關無障礙的部分那台鐵現在已經有大概98%的站都已經有這個無障礙的電梯 |
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8580 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
8608.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
對,但是現在有62個沒有,所以說這個部分要如何去改善。電梯是98.1了,那預計到年底可以到98.5,那現在可能需要努力的就是月台要跟那個車子能夠平接,就是說不用再能夠無障礙的平順的接,那這個目前241個站已經有132個站完成了,那後續還有60幾個站我們會持續的來推動,不用等到雙軌化。 |
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好,這樣太好了。還有我們的班次,班次也要增加。班次的話不會減班,目前年底海線還會再規劃增加兩班。那主要是因為海線有一個狀況就是有40幾%的路段都還是單軌。 |
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8649.614 |
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好,謝謝,希望我們就是要服務到要偏鄉的居民,很不方便。對,我們就靠高鐵沒有嘛,甚至我們靠台鐵,台鐵又拒絕的話,我們的民眾真的很可憐。所以海線雙軌化這個部分才能夠比較大幅的增加班次,那年底我們還會先增加兩班。 |
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好,所以我們就是認為啦,就是不管是客運也好,台鐵也好,政府的機制就是的政策,不應該就是考量就是這個效益,要考量的是我們的民眾的方便。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
所以要求就是可以的話去增班這樣子的話大家不管是那邊的民眾還是說大家想要進去投資在那邊現在越來越好但是呢有很多公司很多地方但是班子太少了導致很多人沒辦法進去消費所以大家這個是我們台中的民眾希望我們透過就是這一次我總質詢 |
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院長是可以跟我們的交通部這邊增加一些班次還有一些交通的方便讓我們在海線這邊的居民方便也有更多的商業在這邊的話就方便這樣才繁華這個地方這樣 |
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8730.974 |
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謝謝委員提醒謝謝委員台鐵的同仁都非常的辛苦也一直在提升所有的努力啊我會請部長去督促台鐵的同仁跟所有的這個員工們一起再把委員剛剛所說的我們加速來檢驗有不足的地方照顧不到的地方還有班次如果能夠再合理的檢驗跟調整這個都請部長來督促 |
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接下來想要請教一下我們的院長,你覺得你現在滿意我們政府要推南向政策的成果嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
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8779.749 |
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南向政策從蔡前總統開始一開始很多人都寄予比較懷疑的眼光但是事實上看起來我們不管從經濟上從戰略上從外交上甚至從政治上我覺得這幾年走下來都讓台灣在南向政策的這個發展上面得到了相當的成果我覺得這個路我們必須還是繼續要勇敢的往前邁進 |
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好謝謝我們的院長但是呢因為現在因為少子化的問題大專院校學生越來越少所以為了就是南向政策各個產業缺工的問題越來越嚴重國發會去年有提到說外籍勞動力在2030年時候就要增加40萬人每年僑外生畢業生人數超過13000多人 |
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但留在臺灣就業的畢業生只有6000多人。請問院長認為問題在哪裡?還有說我們橋外生評點配額歷年來一直調整,調到今年2024還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
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只有提高到7000人目前按照政策以成效能不能在2030年 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
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8870.807 |
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打到這樣子的政策目標是否可以研議要取消評點制的上限還有另外我認為應該放寬外國人才研覽還有就是雇用法或者相關法律來擴大留用我們自己培育的僑生才能真正的達到就是我們的南向政策 |
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還有就是說我們的橋外生的個人工作時刻。好,非常謝謝麥委員對於橋外生相關的事務這樣的深入的了解。我們從評點的制度以及到另外有一些研議修法的方向,甚至到一些跨部會的會商的檢討等等。我們現在是不是請勞動部細節來跟委員報告一些數字跟現在進度。好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
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8899.848 |
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國發會先說好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
8929.428 |
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8929.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
﹚一、二、三、四﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
8955.376 |
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8963.924 |
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今年增加的金額的還有人數的進化但是說我是說你要的就是40萬人現在我們看到畢業的數量跟我們的留才的數量今年的是今年還沒有你實施了嘛 |
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8982.135 |
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好,我們嗨! |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
9011.107 |
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9014.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
有關於我們橋外生的近年來留臺的狀況,使用評點制至今已經有超過五萬一千多人在通過評點制。 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
9029.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
9029.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
﹚廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
9044.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
9070.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
平點制從過去到現在名額一直在放寬那我們也有跨部會包括由國發會來主導我們跨部會協調希望未來能夠將平點制的這個上限拿掉甚至進一步取消平點制這樣的規定然後讓我們的僑外生留在台灣能夠畢業後呢充分的就業在台灣的這樣一個門檻呢逐漸的把它寬鬆化 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
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以上報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
9090.509 |
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9116.887 |
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好謝謝我們的委員長我們希望就是來這邊讀書是好不容易我們要培育人才要留住人才真正才能是達到我們的南向政策的目標好不容易來到臺灣但是找工作又困難又沒辦法留才我們就招攬我們就對其他的國家很對不起因為來到所以我們希望說我們的僑生 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
9118.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
9118.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
五百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
9138.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
9139.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
臨時提案委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
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9170.401 |
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經出口實際總達要美金100萬以上,或者代理用金達到美金40萬以上的門檻。 在這樣子的缺工的世代相信這個很多老闆的困擾。 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
9199.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
所以這個門檻是雙向的所以如果今天喬生畢業想要就業也要找到這樣子的公司他才能去投履歷加上就是有一些新的公司還有中小企業就打不到這個門檻所以還有造成就是我們的喬生他要求職的很多的問題所以我們勞動部跟喬委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
9201.184 |
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9230.281 |
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因為我有去詢問也有公文去說希望這個部分要去改善或者是我們的機制要去修正但是呢我收到的回覆說現階段以維持雇主資本而營業而限制未達到門檻的企業只能按照個案來跨部會會商免除限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
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9231.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
﹚廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
9249.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
9270.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
企業他們要請喬生,他很想說政府有這個好意,他想要請這個學生,但是我們的門檻太高,他們也請不到。但是要你們又說你想要請,你就要來跟我們三學生。事實上,如果院長你是這個企業,你要去跟政府學生嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
9271.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
9287.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
﹗ |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
9287.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
9304.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
這困難了,兩邊都困難了,到最後就是一邊請不到人,另外一邊也找不到工作。 所以我們今天希望我們要找出問題,解決問題,協助企業跟僑生變成一個最佳的橋樑。 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
9306.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
9326.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
很同意蔓越委員所說現在全世界不僅在搶人力也在搶人才那臺灣的產業現在發展的這麼快速當然需要更多的人力跟更多的人才所以喬艾森持續以來一直是提供臺灣在人力人才上面一個我們相當感謝的一個區塊那剛剛成如委員所說的有一些門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
9328.078 |
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9352.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
那現在政府也陸續在放寬,針對一些新創產業,針對5加2產業,六大核心產業,甚至對未來的五大信賴產業,那至於細節該怎麼做,要不要做一些制度上的檢討跟改進,我想國發會跟那個僑委會都有密切在注意,也在聯繫這個事情當中,是不是要回覆一下?對,所以門檻是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
9353.243 |
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9376.772 |
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放寬一點讓更多的人有機會沒有企業他覺得在這邊請不到人全部都移到國外去我們台灣還是我們越南有一句話叫台灣有沒有應用人民富有國家興旺如果企業都往外移了我們政府的就沒有企業在這邊就沒有工作大家就苦哈哈的 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
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9398.561 |
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是的,委員這個聲音其實我在上個禮拜有聽到所以我們現在做幾個短期的問題跟長期的解決長期一定是我們要來考慮這個條件的放寬那短期的部分是本來他有一些個案的可以直接特別申請然後就個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
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9399.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
好,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
9420.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
9438.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
委員補充一點就是有關於新的這些政策資訊今年以來我們有強化去各不同的院校進行校園的就業宣導會議說明會除此之外我們還在北中南東也辦了市場針對企業跟學校的這個座談會 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
9441.935 |
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9459.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
那麼廣泛的收集大家在聘顧橋外生的一些這個疑問或者是相關的訊息所以委員實教的部分呢我們一定會強化讓我們的企業以及學生跟學校都能夠收到最新的一些相關資訊然後我也會積極的來幫助我們的橋外生呢在臺灣就業的這個門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
9465.4 |
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9478.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
可以很快的達到目標另外我們在臺北跟高雄今年也辦了兩場就業博覽會我知道我有去參加但是我的問題是夠嗎?這樣子的夠嗎?當然還不夠所以我們也會持續繼續強化希望說未來可以做更多我們每一個人都懂中文了都還需要兩個部門來去介紹工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
9491.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
9514.462 |
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你只要當幾場的博覽會就可以解決就不夠了,我的意思是這樣。我們的博覽會除了兩場實體的還有半年的線上,所以會持續的一支媒合。不會持續會去追蹤,也會去請教你。謝謝,謝謝發言委員。我們希望說讓更多人真正的達到我們的南線政策的目的。 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
9515.163 |
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9531.812 |
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因為這都是為你們南向政策執行的,是不是?所以接下來我想要請教一下,因為我是新住民委員,立委,所以我也是關注我們新住民的相關的議題。 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
9532.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
9558.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
所以今天也要針對這個議題要請教院長研討一下我國新住民現在已經差不多要超過60萬人了加上我們的新二代可能要破百萬人在臺灣所以呢省市新住民在社會上是很重要的一個一份子所以我們在帶來的臺灣就不只是經濟文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
9558.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
9558.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
﹚發言委員﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
9574.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
9589.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
所以也正是在生活上面臨一些困境來制定新住民基本法科不容緩在本會期四月底的時候我們內政委員也有排了新住民基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
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9608.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
﹚議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
9608.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
9608.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
﹚發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
9631.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
9633.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
新住民是臺灣一股新心的力量。那我們對新住民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
9649.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
9649.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
臨時提案委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
9668.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
9689.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
謝謝麥委員對於新住民非常的關心那在4月多的時候在我們的內政委員會確實有討論有新住民基本法還有新住民的權益保障法當時就有要求5月20之後要有行政院的版本那我們現在內政部有草擬版本出來包括名稱或是包括我們未來很多照顧方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
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9717.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
不管是在教育醫療或是勞動的或者是其他的這個新住民的比較弱勢的輔助方面還有包括新住民的定義那現在呢會送到行政院所以呢我會個人會建議啊就是說在內政委會討論的時候呢是不是願意啊就這個行政程序上面讓行政院的版本送進來的時候呢我們一起來討論我想這樣子的方式呢會更周全可以照顧接近有60萬的新住民的朋友 |
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9719.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
9741.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
謝謝部長,我們現在要談這個不是只有是當天我們4月份來去談新住民基本法,不是沒有時間給你,是因為這個要跟你報告一下了,因為在2016年我在去輔選蔡英文總統的時候,她也是說要照顧新住民。 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
9741.985 |
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9765.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
所以呢,我們是行政院到現在說要給你時間,我不知道是給了多少年才夠了。所以呢,沒有一個統籌的新住民事務部,還有就是導致新住民落在就是不同的部會。上次你來拜訪我,我也是有跟你提到了。所以呢,目前我們的主要的新住民的事務就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
9767.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
9769.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
因為移民署他沒辦法跨部會來去統整。 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
9795.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
9795.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
9814.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
9842.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
在剛剛這些努力還在階段性進行當中我們從2015年就已經成立了新住民事務協調會報這個是由行政院長親自來擔任召集人上次記得跟委員在隨巡的時候我跟你說過我們不會很久不開會我們會盡快的找一個適當的時間收集必須討論的議題和事項來就新住民所關心的事情我們來做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
9842.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
9871.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
集體共同的討論跟決議。 都是討論。 結議那麼久了還是沒有辦法決議。 所以我現在來到立法院是因為就是要實現我們兩任總統的目標還有六大政見。 因為我們蔡總統當時我全國去幫她拉票的時候她說照顧新住民所以我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
9872.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
9886.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
有一個地方可以真正的讓新住民發揮我們不希望我們只有專業的學生所以在賴清德總統去年在競選的時候也提出六大新住民的政見 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
9887.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
9913.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
議員﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
9913.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
9933.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
你認為應該成立二級機構還有新住民委員會嗎?來統籌就是新住民的資源還有法律,還有真正才能提高這個部會跟各個部會去做調整,這樣才能讓我們的業務順利,也達到我們總統的政見。 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
9938.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
9955.491 |
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現在中央政府的組織是受到法律有一個額數的限制的所以如果要突破這個必須去修訂中央機關的組織基準法在這個還沒有修訂完整之前跟委員報告就是我們會持續的一直強化剛剛跟委員報告的這個協調匯報 |
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讓他能夠有實質的功能能夠產生一些對新住民朋友對實際上的一些幫忙所以這個部分我們會透過行政院裡面這個會報來加強他的功能 |
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這個是照顧新住民,就是永遠讓你們照顧。 階段性,就是這樣開始。 所以好,剛才院長我不想說用這個來去打臉你,但是呢,你們有說嗎,剛才你有說,滿了對不對,各個部會滿了,但是呢,上個星期你有跟委員,上個星期有委員提出, |
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體育署是否應邀升格? |
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院長你的回覆,如果要讓體育及運動發展部成為更有權責的專責機構,當然會向單一部會的方向。 |
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除此外還提到未來申請中央政府的機構組織基本基準法希望打破現有的規模有餘裕的空間如果按照院長這麼說機構總數的建制標準有彈性的調整的空間 |
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在當未來的組織的改造是否有新住民委員會成立的空間呢?我們是要幫我們的總統實現政見,是你反對總統的政見嗎? |
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不會,這個程序是一樣的,如果要檢討中央機關組織基準法,透過這個程序增加任何部會,這個程序是一樣的。好,所以就一樣我們新住民基本就是新住民的部會應該要成立啊,因為呢,從我們蔡英文總統在我們民眾黨裡面也成立新住民委員會,所以成立這個新住民委員會我們服務的功能是什麼? |
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阿又後來呢又是把各國的姐妹當作你們的 |
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亮出來的說我照顧各國的人但是我們只是穿個國服亮個相你們就是照顧到最後我們就沒有了到現在我們的賴總統又把這個部會改了事務部所以事務部我們又來照顧各國的又來亮相穿各國的國服叫你們說我們照顧各國 |
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但是呢到現在你說的就是沒有所以我們希望的是說我們要實踐我們賴總統說的 |
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正見也把這個實際有效的發展,就是要成立一個部會,這樣才真正的不只是設立在民進黨裡面的部會,這個只是我們當那邊當一個花瓶,讓你們在選舉的時候照顧新住民,就常講的算基金三盟海誓, |
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三、6月11日新住民我對你抱歉啦是不是這樣所以我們看到的是這樣委員您誤解了我們不會做這種表面的這種工作其實對新住民的照顧我想我們的部會首長都非常的了解這個重要性而且所以你覺得有必要是把你們民進黨的部會現實在我們的行政院成為真正的讓大家可以發揮的部會嗎 |
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我們已經跟委員報告程序是相同的那要怎麼樣來處理要經過大家廣泛的共識合理的討論那我們一定會去徵詢各方的意見非常謝謝委員的提醒 |
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好,希望我們這個是真正的去實踐對,還有關於我要請教一下,因為很多人都去問我說你要來問我們的院長說我們的立法院是可以打人的嗎?到哪裡都不可以打人好,謝謝麥義正委員質詢,謝謝卓院長的備詢 |
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接下來我們請登記第10號賴瑞隆委員質詢。好,謝主席,請卓院長,麻煩再請卓院長備選。 |
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院長辛苦了齁,我想新的內閣上任,包括新的國會上任,其實人民都期待多一點點民生,多一點經濟,少一點政治。 院長應該同意這樣的看法吧?當然,我們也是希望說 |
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復國立民的沒有爭議的法案盡快政策跟盡快送到大院來能夠經過合理而且正常程序法定程序的審查讓全國的人民都能因為新的法案新的政策感受到這個政府為人民做更多更多的事政府上任之後期待的不管是國會或新的內閣都希望多一點點的經濟民生的議題多一點經濟民生的法案 |
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少一些政治性的啦那但也很遺憾的這一陣子大家為了這個立法院職權行之法跟刑法問坦白講這個其實沒有那麼多的沒有那麼急迫性我不認為他有那麼強的急迫性但是他通過了之後其實確實產生了很大對台灣內部的撕裂包括很多衝突性甚至裡面很多是違憲 |
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甚至違反侵害到人權侵害到官員相關的一些權益甚至以不確定的概念我認為這個都是會影響到臺灣的整個整體國家的競爭力跟發展所以我看到了這個院長昨天會通過要提請復議嘛我想我們支持啦因為不恰當違憲的一個法律案那當然一 |
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總統的國情報告在徵秀條文第4條有規定。 |
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但是他也就是這樣但是他在行政院長來立法院備詢這也是一個權利跟義務然後就像我們今天在執行台上的那但是在執行刑事法第15條之4的增加修訂總統應該要 |
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以這個立委的口頭提問來依序及時回答這個顯然是超越了憲法的規範也超越了一般的包括甚至於跟總統或行政院長這些權限都產生了一些矛盾跟混淆所以我認為這個很明顯的是一個違憲的部分院長怎麼看待而且他把總統到大院來做國情報告變成一種義務變成一種義務而且報告之後 |
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採取的答案的方式顯然在憲法裡面我們是找不到任何相關規定的。 這個就是我們所擔心的如果不會不斷的擴權的狀況下其他會侵犯到我們憲法所訂定好的責任政治的一個規範同時讓總統跟五院之間的分際會整個混亂掉 |
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立法院一拳獨大,所以剛剛有前面有委員提到他擔心像希特勒的狀況我反而擔心的是如果國會不斷的擴權下去的話反倒會形成另外一個憲政上面跟民主上的一個大倒退這個反倒是我們擔憂的所以我覺得那個類比其實是完全是不適合的啦如果我們看到現在的擔憂現今的社會要擔憂的話國際社會看到擔憂反倒是應該要去譴責習近平所領導的這個極權專制的一個這個政權反而讓大家更擔憂 |
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怎麼會回來去批評自己國內而且由民主體制所選出來的這個政府我認為挑任何某些話去做這樣的影射跟攻擊我認為都是不恰當的這完全贊同委員的看法我想齁這個不只是在這個裡面其實很多條文對於資源新法對於整個都是侵犯到人權的部分包括不確定的概念以後的人民都可能會調到立法院來要求你提供資料這個對於人民對外資對外商都產生相當大的 |
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﹚第11屆第11次會議 |
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行政院身為一個憲政機關,依照憲法所定的程序提出救濟。 |
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委員﹚ |
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請政院長該有的一個負責任的表現 |
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那我們來看過去以來有13次行政院提出復議其中有7次成功有兩次沒有結果有5次為成功成功的比例還是高的所以我們也期待這一次的復議立法院能夠好好的再來審議過去發生了一些問題很多委員們也都發現了問題甚至有很多說那就等到事先大法官回來再來處理如果發現立法院定的法定的不好有違憲之處就盡快趕快來修嘛這是一個程序可走就盡快修 |
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議長同意這樣的看法吧? |
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完全同意委員的看法,所以我們在第一時間就檢視跟比對所有的法條,再次確認它的內容,在第一時間就經過行政院院會來通過,現在已經陳請總統來合格,我們希望最短的時間... 預定法會送進來立法院? |
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總統合格文還沒有到行政院,一定要總統合格文下來之後,我們才會...所以可能下個禮拜就會送進立法院來的?希望能夠儘快的實現,因為越快處理,復一萬如果能夠越快的成立之後,這個社會的紛爭會減少。 |
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那當然也有可能最後進來的這個復議的結果立法院的多數如果照過去這樣如果沒有改變的話有可能是不接受那如果不接受的話我聽到昨天副國務卿總召說這個行政院長如果復議不通過的話應該要下來負責 |
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憲政上有這樣的規定嗎?跟委員報告依照新修的這個憲法徵修條文第三條第二項第二款的規定他只有說行政院長接受炒掉了過去應該辭職的字眼所以我很遺憾我沒有辭職的選項但是委員有第三款的選項 |
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我認為其實依照,所有都依照憲政來走啦齁,當然,行政院長照你所提出來的復議,那如果立法院堅持要維持原意的話,那當然,照法令來說,行政院就只有接受,但是, |
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我既然我依據的就是同一個條文來提出復議啊那如果說 |
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大院也依照憲法的程序提出任何的憲法秩序所允許的那沒有什麼擔心我們就是面對憲法 |
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人民是最主要的依歸民主政治責任政治這樣人民最後決定那這一段時間的所有的表現大家也看在眼裡如果說最後還是堅持副總召還是堅持要負起這個責任我認為最簡單的方法就是由副總召國民黨黨團來提出不信任案那由人民來做最後的決斷但是人民對這件事情認為是傅坤祺對還是卓榮泰對可以來做一個整體的審視 |
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我跟耐文對憲法的理解是一致的。 |
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好,謝謝,院長一起努力啦,我們期待是國家更穩定更好,同時多一點民生,少一點政治啦,這樣國家才能穩健前進,不然這樣狀況如果持續發生,後面還有很多,很多法案,不管是花蓮的錢庚法案,不管是反滲透法的修法,國安法的修法,這個這樣下去台灣會沒完沒了,我認為這個對台灣長遠的發展是非常的不利的。 |
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接下來我想還是回到一些議題回到高雄回答最近很熱包括超微MD的部分最近都在思考來到台灣來設研發中心那高雄我認為他有一個相當大的優勢就是他的電力是最充足的高雄現在有百分之他一年產生了500億度的電他有百分之44往中往北送 |
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而這個未來這個AI這些產業其實需要的電力是一個很重要的那我希望不要讓南部的鄉親們都只是在需要用電的時候不斷的付出承受空污的危害承受影響而人才不斷的北流我們希望行政院如果在你們能力範圍內應該多多鼓勵企業 |
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院長怎麼看? |
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政府對於全國22縣市應該都是平等的看待希望都有很好的發展但是我們很清楚知道我們的能源的分布我們的產業的聚落我們能力的供應以及我們必須加強的很多的交通跟公共設施基礎設施建設所以在這個底下我們希望產業如果國際大廠能夠發揮他們這種專業的眼光去挑選一個 |
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﹚議員 |
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我相信國際大廠對他們這個產業的 |
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發展都很有信心,也很有專業,如果有任何的詢問我們會提供那個專業的資訊。謝謝院長,也請多多支持。那再來就是現在的AI相當夯,南北的部分有可能都會有一個AI生態園區的一個設置。其實北部其實聚落於自然形成,南部反倒是需要再更大力推動,那我看到了其實 |
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議員長回覆 |
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希望呢? |
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南部這一塊好不好能夠有更多的這一塊特別是AI這一塊的一個生態系的部分的支持因為時間有限再來是也謝謝民進黨的執政在於小港的沿海六里過去有800隻煙囪包圍的地方我們終於花了從589億到了800億來做錢存從林全院長到賴清德院長到淳南院長都大力的支持 |
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那現在是到了最後階段,他們期待是無負債的千村跟整個社會住宅的一些能夠給予放寬,讓一些比較弱勢需要照顧的人能夠被照顧。我也希望院長關心一下支持這樣的方案,好嗎?好的,我們會去持續關心,有需要的話我們再做進一步的討論。另外當然有一件也是非常重要就是說,迄今過去是半島,但是因為高雄港開港的關係而形成的是一個離島,但是它沒有離島建設條例的一些優惠。 |
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那因為第一過港隧道年限剩10年,當然我們做了延售,但是第二過港隧道可行性評估今年剛出來,那為期盼未來行政院跟交通部能夠持續來支持,讓旗津能有更安全回家的道路好嗎?請院長回覆。好的,高雄港現有的過港隧道已經延到138年,有提到跟其他一些相關的交通建設的合併, |
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來建築我想第二過港隧道我們是不是要考慮跟捷運來共購等等的問題這請院長跟部長來審慎思考好不好因為他第一條已經50年了其實延壽的話都還是有風險這個離島是因為高雄港開港才造成的那我們希望讓鄉親能夠要不然每次都要坐渡輪經過其實相當麻煩我們還是希望這塊院長跟部長能夠整體來思考 |
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另外還有一個也是前陣漁港部分之前讓包括歷任院長都非常支持,前陣漁港是全台灣最大的遠洋漁港,它會一年為台灣創造300億以上的一個經濟的產值,那這終於經過在民進黨執政的時候我們投了80億來做全面的改造,包括地下化、下水道等等全部來做了。 |
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但是有一個是最後一理路就是我們如果出日本的豐洲足地我們一定是搭乘大宗運輸去那現在捷運黃線已經開始要做了那我們期盼未來再增加兩站延伸到前征港讓我們的海洋產業漁業能夠更好的一個發展好不好請院長跟部長是不是也說明一下 |
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是,跟委員報告,這個案子目前已經在做可行性的規劃,那預計在今年的這個6月,他的期末報告會出來,那我們希望朝來支持跟推動的方向來。好,謝謝。院長最後一點時間,疫情後的復甦很快速,但是高雄這塊的機場航班航點的恢復期相當慢,我也希望院長跟部長能夠大力來督促好不好,不要讓南北的落差越來越大,好不好。 |
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徐巧欣委員 |
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謝謝院長,那我們想請卓部長再請卓院長備詢卓院長,對不起 |
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徐委員好院長好首先要先恭喜您上任那體恤您在這裡呢要質詢也備詢一整天喔想說呢請你喝一杯飲料不曉得你平常比較喜歡喝茶還是咖啡呢咖啡咖啡喔好那院長才是請您才是我同意把一杯茶可以拿給我們院長當然可以啊好謝謝來請喝茶 |
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謝謝 |
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來,我們在看到這個投影片上面大大的兩個字我想院長應該也看得很明白叫做選擇院長剛剛您說您喜歡喝咖啡那我呢卻給了您一杯茶很多人可能會看說哎呀怎麼可以這樣子調戲我們的院長呢我讓你選擇可是呢你選了以後我卻給了你另外一樣我們看一下教育部的國語詞典修訂本上面對於選擇的解釋是什麼 |
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選擇、挑選、領選、檢選、抉擇、選取之欲通常叫做你選了A就給A不是你選了A就給B可是今天很遺憾的是在臺北市的警察局的人事上面我們在內政部上面照理來說我們給臺北市長來選警察局局長的人選可是呢 |
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臺北市長選了A之後,你們卻給了B,最後告訴我們說這是溝通不良。我們可以看到整個時間序,5月27號的時候,我們部長致電蔣萬恩市長問有沒有屬意的人選,然後蔣萬恩市長其實我覺得態度也不錯,他說中央可以給我們名單相關資料,然後當天開給方揚寧跟李希格兩個人的名單,那部長您再致電給他, |
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市長選好了說好我選方揚寧結果呢你就說給了李希和這有點像是我們剛才問了茶跟咖啡部長說這個我們要咖啡結果我給你茶這麼小的事情我們開得起玩笑可是呢臺北市警察局這麼大的事情坦白說我覺得我們開不起這個玩笑因為是面對所有的臺灣的臺北市的市民朋友 |
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尤其部長您是這個臺北人也做過我們松山信義區的議員當時也做得非常的好那如果您還是臺北市議員看到這樣子的狀況會不會覺得自己被市府耍了呢因為這不是選擇是派任如果沒有要給人選擇那我們就直接派任不要用耍的我想聽聽看部長您的回答是什麼 |
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謝謝徐委員我剛剛說我要咖啡有我的喜好你給我的是茶有你的理由我都笑納我也不會跟你換回來你不會跟我換回來那你不會覺得說我剛剛可以選的是茶可是咖啡可是你卻給我茶這件事情很詭異嗎不會啊我說我選咖啡有我的喜好啊你給我茶有你的理由啊我都笑納謝謝 |
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所以你覺得說呢這樣子的一個溝通是沒有問題的這是百分之百能夠溝通那你也不覺得在整個過程當中跟台北市政府的溝通有任何的問題也不覺得你們當初丟了兩個選項結果呢蔣萬事長選了A你們給了B這件事情行政院在這裡的部分呢有溝通上面的問題未來需要調整嗎所以我知道你給我查的理由是什麼啊這個理由我就請部長來答覆你 |
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所以我知道是整個過程啦,那現在李熹和局長你知道的過程跟我了解的不太一樣,所以我們還是有溝通的問題。我想跟這個徐委員報告一下,臺北市警察總局的局長的部分呢,原來在簽成公文的時候就是由內政部來決定。 |
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但是我們知道臺北市是首善之區,所以原先我請警政署把所有有可能可以擔任臺北市警察局局長的人選全部要簽報給我。在我們自己內部的過程當中,我們認為在報紙上有出現方揚寧這樣的名字之後,我有跟蔣萬山市長打電話。 |
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但是呢因為市長呢他可能對於不管是李熙和或者是方雅玲兩位的學經歷都不是那麼的了解因為學經歷的完整性在我手中所以我把兩位的學經歷提供給他們參考但是呢我告訴他說我認為李熙和會比較適合的原因是因為 |
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李熹和他曾經在刑事上面包括在臺北市服務的時候他有這方面的經驗那方雅玲校長他現在是警專的校長他在培育我們警察的新生代所以我們認為高階警官的選擇應該是能夠適應臺北市現在的任務需求最重要我不覺得李熹和局長有什麼不好的地方 |
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我只是覺得如果提供了選項的話,那應該就是按照選項讓市長來選,他不是一個選項,所以他不是一個選項。好,我了解了,謝謝局長,我知道了,這樣我了解了,他從來不是一個選項。 |
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那李熹和局長已經正式上任,我也期許他未來可以做得更好。 謝謝但類似以後,所謂如果他是溝通或是選項或是派任,請直接跟市府講清楚,不要讓人家有不舒服的感覺。 不曉得我們部長,我們的這個院長可以承諾嗎? |
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這個人事的安排﹖考慮人家的感受﹖對,人事的安排有它一定的慣例﹖我們知道﹖那這個過程我認為以後我們可以更精進的﹖好的,謝謝﹖跟臺北市保持更好的溝通﹖那部長請回﹖部長也是這樣的認為﹖部長請回﹖第二個我想要討論的是卓部長您去過這個院長﹖對不起 |
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11545.086 |
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11564.275 |
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您去過海巡署,最近去做海巡署當海巡的靠山,說遇到不法該吃足就去足,我是非常認同您這樣子的一個說法的。 那去鼓勵海巡弟兄我也覺得很好,因為他們真的很辛苦,我們也不斷地在幫忙爭取更多的設備,包含密錄器等等。 |
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11564.935 |
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11586.766 |
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但是我想要詢問,院長您在巡視海巡署的時候並沒有提過過去的這個先前發生的驚嚇海域的事件。請問您知道驚嚇海域事件目前發生已經幾天了嗎?請我們的這個主委先不要回答。我問的是部長,我問的是院長,對不起,我一直口誤,不好意思。來,院長。 |
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11596.341 |
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是2月14日發生的。對,已經115天了。那我想要請問一下您知道目前的遇難者現在的遺體在哪裡嗎? |
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主委請您稍等我問的是院長這不是一個很難的問題我想要問的是院長您知不知道他們不是我沒有問你祭不祭拜的問題我問的是位置這些遇難者他們的遺體在哪?院長主委有一直跟我說包括那天他有跟我說這件事情他們現在在處理的過程以及他們對家屬 |
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11630.457 |
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我問的是他的遺體是否在哪裡,人在金門。 我是跟你確認一件事情而已,不要這麼緊張嘛。 |
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11644.031 |
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11657.295 |
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那呢我們可以看一下金門事件雙方的會談記事從2月23號開始前面有很多的協商但一直到3月3號以後就停擺了目前海巡署提供給我們的資料裡面14號 |
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11660.937 |
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11670.608 |
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這是我跟你們公開所知你們回覆給我的資料。這是我們公開向海巡署所知的資料上面寫到的最後一場協商會議在3月13號。你們後來為什麼沒有繼續開協商會議? |
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11675.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
11704.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
跟委員報告我們後續其實在3月底以及5月初又有重新聯繫了兩次但是聯繫的這兩次我們認為說其實還是重複在卡住的關鍵沒有辦法解決所以這兩次仍然沒有相當的公式可以了解那請問在卓榮泰院長不好意思主委主席我問的是院長因為現在是我在跟院長質詢的時間院長請問一下在您上任之後 |
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11705.303 |
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11707.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
五二零到現在十幾天當中我跟管書偉就很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
11725.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
11726.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
我們有一個跨部隊的工作小組在處理。 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
11755.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
11781.445 |
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我真的希望說我們可以積極的來處理因為我們難道賴清德總統四年的執政遺體要放在金門一千多天嗎這不是我們希望看到的所以我們給部長很大的期許主委很大的期許也給院長很大的期許希望能夠盡快的來再次開啟協商就算我們知道你們有一些困難有為難之處但也盡量的去做院長可以嗎 |
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11782.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
11804.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
那也請委員能夠聽一下主委到底困難在哪裡?困難在哪裡其實我們問過了嘛,您就說這個我給你一點時間說一下好不好?因為卡在對於我國的制度對方不予承認那問題關鍵都卡在說我們很希望人道優先來解決但是當以政治為前提來處理這件事情的時候真的就很難往前走。 |
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11804.974 |
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11826.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
所以有可能賴清德議員長的一千多天任期都沒有辦法把遺體運回去那如果對方他不願意的時候那就是放一千多天我們一直都很努力,其實一直都很努力知道了,那我們看一下先民眾覺不覺得你們很努力,這也是另外一個觀點 |
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11830.367 |
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因為我們有承諾要保密,所以民眾沒有辦法知道。因為我們對於中國的做法,我們保密而沒有對外,所以社會大眾並不了解。 |
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11844.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
11846.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
其實我們相當的善意對,因為我們信守承諾,我們對中國有善意因為這是新的意見 |
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11859.011 |
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11884.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
我們在講的是民眾對於這個有五成表示不滿意結果我們的海委會主委管碧玲主委仍然被留任代表包含我們的總統跟我們的院長也認為這件事情處理你們是滿意的嗎那請問最後我要問一下院長這個議題就是說你有沒有信心在你的任期之內能夠把議題的問題人道的問題處理完畢 |
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11887.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
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在我們在任的每一天我們一定把它處理盡心盡力的處理但是這有雙方 |
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我懂我了解但我不希望遺體在賴清德上任的四年之間一千多天都放在金門這是我的想法那再來呢兩位可以請回了我們問另外一個問題喔最近很紅的是這個揮打的這個黃仁勳質詢長來到台灣他昨天晚上受訪的時候透露 |
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而臺灣美國商會6月的時候再一次發表白皮書 |
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又再一次提到了臺灣需要強化的基礎設施,包含電架的穩定以及透明度,還有穩定的能源工地,包括7成的成員都對此表達了擔憂。我們每一次政府都告訴我們電力足夠,但是我們所看到的是電力不斷的虧損,臺灣各地區不斷的跳電, |
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甚至今年的4月15號差一點點北北機要大限電全世界都知道臺灣的電不夠只有民進黨政府裝睡睡不著現在更有趣了我們來看看經濟部長跟行政院長的看法竟然不同 |
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我們的郭部長,其實我很尊敬您。您那天講的很多談話,我其實支持跟認同的。臺電應該要照他們自己的努力去賺到錢,而不是永遠用臺我們的納稅人的錢去補貼。我是認同你的。但當時您說的是,合二合三都可檢修測試,安檢通過之後可以再用二、三十年。但是我們的行政院卻說,這個呢,我們還是一樣非合家園。 |
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今天上午卓部長有被問到這個問題你也說你們兩邊說法沒有不同會確保電力穩定到2030年要非核家園那我就問啊那這樣來說的話我們原本蔡總統所承諾的是2025非核家園請問你們的非核家園是現在是202幾 |
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是2030還是2025再加30還是2025再加20我們現在大家看不懂希望我們的部長、院長可以給我們一個比較清楚的回答我們先請院長好嗎 |
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我們只說非核家園是一個追求的目標,以前說2025因為經過公投那個年限已經不在,但是無論如何非核家園是人類應該努力追求的目標。 那黃二中和三有沒有考慮研議? |
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院長,依照現行的核管法,因為部長有說嘛,核二核三檢修測試案檢通過可再用20到30年,這是他的說法,那我要問的是院長的看法,我們在您的任內核二跟核三會去做檢修跟測試,案檢通過再用20到30年嗎? |
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依照目前核管法的規定,任何核電廠要研議,他必須在5年之前就提出相關的安全檢查。 那你們會提出嗎? |
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現在已經過了那個時間,所以行政機關已經沒有能力提出了。那你們怎麼沒有跟經濟部長講,讓他在質詢的時候說我們可以檢修測試,還可以有二、三十年呢?那這一點我們跟部長的看法是一樣的。一樣在哪裡?他只是說如果過了以後那可以用,但是前面的程序我們的看法以及現在依法是相同的。 |
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啊前面不就白講你說時間已經過了嗎所以好我只確認一件事情而已喔其實我對經濟部長的說法我是很認同的但我要問的是我們的院長所以在您的任內在賴清德政府的任內和二和三不會研議因為您說時間已經過了這是確認的事實嗎 |
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照現在的核管法是沒有提出研議的可能跟機會的。 那核管法要修嗎?會提出? |
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行政院沒有提出修核管法的構想。 您沒有提出這個構想,那在賴清德總統任內會有提出這樣,不要講賴清德總統啦,因為您不是賴清德總統嘛,在我們院長的任內會有意提出核管法修法嗎? |
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何三賞的1號機在今年7月他就必須停議了。對,所以我要問的是所謂的時間點的問題嘛,你們會讓他研議嗎?你剛剛說是因為核管法的關係已經錯過了。對,我問的是你們會因為希望何三能夠研議而提出院版的修法嗎? |
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目前沒有這樣的考量,目前考量的是停役之後我們如何補全它這個停役所產生的電力上的損失。我們可以從其他的新興的電廠以及能多元綠能的開發,我們認為有辦法彌補停役一號機之後的所產生的這個缺口。 |
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這可以補上來的這樣我了解了,那我們部長可以請回因為下一個議題我們要問的是NCC的訴訟預算大幅增加那要討論NCC的事情那這個陳耀祥主委可以上來但請你不要講話因為你已經說你接下來沒有要做自稱為NCC的過客問你也沒有意思所以我想要問的還是我們的這個院長最近NCC又敗訴請問您知道是什麼案子敗訴了嗎 |
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但是請我們的過客不要一直騷擾我們的院長。 |
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再來,鳳凰雲的事件在審3月20日有收到判決書,中天是勝訴的。我想要請問,上述兩件案子是否會申請再議,過客可以回答沒有問題,因為您現在畢竟還是主委嘛。來,過客請。 |
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報告委員,基本上來講,在審的案件,如果我們,那個是我們原來敗訴提在審的,那只是一個意思而已。 這兩件都會提? |
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那個沒有,確定就確定了,就是這樣子。 好,所以這兩件都沒了? |
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沒有,不是沒了,就是確定中天生,但是我們另外還有16件案只是我們確定到你勝訴的。 沒有,我問你的是這兩件嘛,你都過課了以後也不關你的事,我問的是這兩件,就結束了嘛,對不對? |
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好。 |
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院長﹖ |
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行政院4月30日函送了NCC的委員的名單到立法院裡面那請問您有瞭解過他們對於這些訴訟案的立場嗎還是因為您認為是獨立機關所以你只選人對於他們所有的名單對於所謂要不要上訴這件事情的立場您是不清楚的 |
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跟委員報告,這個名單是陳建仁院長所送來的。是,那您本,因為您也要交接嘛,你不能說陳建仁的,那您總是跟陳建仁院長有些交接吧?雖然政權是延續的,但是不在其位就不謀其政。陳院長沒有跟我討論到。沒有討論,那您也沒有跟這名單上面的委員詢問過他們對於中天案是否還要上庭的立場。完全沒有。沒有嘛,對不對。 |
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那如果這些委員他們都是堅持要上訴的話,您覺得這份名單在立法院會被接受嗎? |
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的可能性高嗎? |
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在以現在的國會環境來說。 |
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既然要經過大院的同意,那就是大院的委員先進門再做決定。好,那當時一審敗訴的時候,NCC還發了新聞稿,說很遺憾會上訴。那如果我們的這個NCC委員有一樣的看法的話,我們擔心的是浪費大家的納稅錢。我們可以看一下,先前我有跟這個過客主委討論過這個事情。 |
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任何機關捍衛自己 |
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行政的決定進行訴訟或其他的救濟我認為這個是機關自己的權利是我同意我同意但是呢你可以看到以前我們需要的訴訟費跟法律諮詢費用181920這也都是民進黨執政期間啊都是只有編很少150萬而已 |
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可是從202121、22、23年的時候暴增到1310萬元這樣子的一個條幅那難道不是因為NCC出了很多的事情然後導致很多的官司官司我前面還幫你做了這個列表每打一次官司每一次的訴訟都會花更多納稅人的錢嘛所以我問院長的問題是 |
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您覺得接下來在您的任內在NCC的這個法律訴訟費跟諮詢費會高於2023年還是會低於2023年? |
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過去為什麼這樣高我想再請主委說明一下。 這我都知道了我都問過了我問的問題很簡單我只問編列預算的部分我理解過客過客我知道我問的是未來因為你之後已經沒有要再做主委了所以我要問的是2024的預算跟您是沒有關係的 |
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如果您接下來要繼續接主委我會問您也會讓您表達意見但我要問的是2024年行政院的預算會比2023年高還是會比2023年低這個問題只有我們的院長能夠幫我們回答好回答委員2024年的預算現在已經在執行當中了他就必須到預算書裡面所定的來執行而是所以我的問題是會比較高還是比較低嗎就照預算書裡面的 |
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那預算我們現在預算的狀況﹖2024已經在執行了﹖我們的預算狀況是比他高還是比他低﹖我可以解釋﹖過客可以回答因為現在是2024﹖因為我們那個﹖你們2024編多少﹖2024因為是編在那個基金﹖我們是通產基金的編多少﹖那目前來講因為還沒有完全審議通過我們只是通過單位預算而已﹖多少嗎﹖ |
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當然我們基本上來講的話大概是一千多萬嘛一千多萬我要問系部的嘛因為那一千多萬一千多萬是超過一千三百一十萬還是低於一千三百一十萬我們要看實際的需要具體的數字您都快要離任了你還不跟我講怎麼辦呢多少錢 |
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我們在112年是1100多萬嘛那2023年來講2024來講也是差不多這個錢差不多齁真的過客齁部長我希望您可以把數字搞清楚貴後跟我回覆因為我都在大院裡面詢問了那具體的數字前幾年我都列出了我問你一個2020甚至我問2025都不為過那結果得到的是這樣子的答案我很遺憾 |
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最後我要問,如果NCC的最後就是中天案的敗訴確定的話,請問已經被關掉的中天52台應該要如何救濟?他們能夠重新回到電視台的頻道嗎?能夠重回52台嗎?我們有沒有針對這個部分有相關的想定? |
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密密麻麻的中央政策三年來臺北市自籌負擔了381億我把所有都寫給大家看了 |
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這些都是屬於我們中央提出了很多我也很支持是好的政策但是呢一大堆都是地方買單的所以三年來臺北市自籌負擔了381億那最近因為在討論才化法的關係所以我們具體三個建議那這個部長可以不用回覆因為我是講我們的建議而已那您能夠做你們做但不能做的話我們會後做討論我時間很有限 |
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首先是我們希望營業稅百分之百回歸為地方裁員其中百分之五十按照各地的營利事業而分配百分之五十納入統籌。第二個部分是保障社福教育基本設施的一般性補助款 |
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第三個是我們不能每次都是中央宣布了一個大的政策最後由地方來買單已經有很多次這樣的事情剛剛說過了有381億所以這是我們希望能夠做到的部分那我想要請這個我們的院長簡單說明一下那您的看法不用講太長因為才化法本來就還在漫長的討論當中來院長 |
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我相信委員應該同意這種才化法的這種內容的設計是一個非常精密的工程同意第三點中央請客片面決定之後地方買單但是中央在各個地方做了那麼多的公共建設這麼多的軌道工程 |
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理解我同意您的看法但我最後想要問一下那針對才化法的部分我們過去有明定保留分配款的3%首度加給台北市那未來如果才化法重新修法的話這個3%的保留我們會繼續留存下來嗎部長如果需要補充的話是可以的 |
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我跟委員報告一件很慚愧的事情,我在臺北市議會待過,我也在立法院待過,身為一個臺北市出來的民意代表,我從來沒有為臺北市爭取過一塊錢的預算,因為臺北市的錢確實是不少,其他地方需要的縣市更多。我們如果從均衡臺灣的理念來看,我們更應該有一個同胞。 |
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臺北市的預算加幾百分之三嗎?所以我們問的是說會不會保留?那您的意思看起來是會還是不會?還是不確定?是是是 |
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這個經驗來看,臺北市的預算確實是蠻多的。好,那我們接下來,你說預算蠻多的,可是我也有很多基礎的建設,希望行政院可以來幫忙。但我們應該均衡臺灣跟其他縣市來比較一下。我理解,我理解,我們要談論是下一個主題了。才化法是一條漫長的路,我們會慢慢的、穩健的來走。再來是呢,03、0403的大地震。 |
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對於各個區域來說都有很多的損害的地方那在臺北市尤其您剛說了您是臺北市議員出生的跟我一樣我相信您對臺北市有共同的情感那我們看到呢4月3號臺北市也有很多的災損包含是呢屋頂房漏我們直接給大家看這個圖片喔 |
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來我們看一下下一個 |
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我們行政院主計總署裡面提到的呢,最低使用年限,照理來說呢,鋼筋混凝土學校的部分是55年,可是我們都是臺北市出身的,您剛剛談到,您過去也是臺北市議員。下一張,臺北市的校舍屋齡統計表裡面, |
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兩百三十六所計校舍一千五百三十棟裏面呢六成的屋齡超過四十年的有九百三十二棟或許您看這個數據沒有感覺但我們看下一個臺北市的校舍改建計畫裏面屋齡超過五十年的過去三年有兩次以上的大規模剝落 |
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包括這7年來總預算粗估420億財源地方自籌的話臺北市就算您說的我們是有比其他縣市有錢一些但是呢也籌說只到40億還需要很多為期7年的計劃需要我們行政院來補助想請問關於校舍提供臺北市補助這一塊我們院長能否承諾來協助 |
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我跟委員一樣關心公共安全與其學校的校舍又牽涉到學生的安全但是如果是屬於地方知識事項我還是認為地方政府應該勇敢的負擔起這個責任可是很多像包含是台中啊其他建設其他學校我們中央都有做比較多的補助啊 |
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⋯⋯⋯⋯ |
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好,謝謝徐小新委員質詢,謝謝卓院長的備詢。報告委員會,現在我們上午的質詢到此為止。下午2點半繼續開會,進行質詢。現在休息。 |
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頭還在嗎? |
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拜託你可以幫忙我一下嗎?因為我很矮齁,你看我這樣放著齁,會不會看不到頭?看不到頭?可以嗎?就是說照相什麼都看得見嗎?好,就是說你覺得不會妨礙齁?不好意思不好意思,因為我比較矮。 |
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主席主席主席主席主席 |
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好,對。 |
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主席 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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響鐘 |
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報告委員會現在我們繼續開會進行質詢。報告委員會現在二樓旁聽的是景興國中的同學。我們掌聲歡迎他。歡迎國家未來的主人哦。接下來我們請陳昭之委員質詢。 |
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21631.916 |
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謝謝院長。有請卓院長跟衛福部邱部長。再請卓院長備詢。也請邱部長備詢。參國員好。 |
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院長部長好恭喜兩位上任新職也謝謝你們願意承擔重責大任最近臺灣刮起了一陣黃仁勳的旋風大家都知道他在世界AI的產業大放異彩把臺灣再次帶上全世界的舞臺他是臺灣之光院長部長你們認同嗎黃仁勳是臺灣之光你們認同嗎 |
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21677.625 |
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我昨天有到Computex現場去雖然執行長不在但是很多我們的廠商跟國際的大廠都在那裡我有一個感覺如果我們的廠商這樣的合作放在整個臺灣社會大家都充分來合作那真的是臺灣的光榮我們一定要強到這個臺灣的光榮感是的他是臺灣之光那麼院長部長知道黃仁勳的輝達公司被評比為代孕福利最佳的企業嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
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21725.163 |
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我覺得進步的思想跟潮流都應該值得鼓勵他在官網上寫著發展家庭的決定是一個重大的決定在您生命中最重要的時刻之一無論你走哪一條路我們都會在這裡為你提供資源資源可用於收養、生育 |
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在這裡讓兩位所長知道。好,回頭看我們的臺灣。代理一門法治化卻被一小撮人長期的醜化成物化、工具化、剝削女性。 |
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那難道臺灣這幫黃仁勳先生也是幫兇嗎?我認為臺灣不能再被這一小撮人綁住所以我今天要跟院長部長深入的討論一下這個被黃仁勳先生用來造福員工的代孕制度 |
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院長部長我是一位先天性子宮發育不全的病人那因為我跟我先生都有醫學背景所以我們毫無困難的去執行這個代孕但是為什麼做了一半之後又放棄了呢主動站出來挑戰政府因為當時的這個政府就是衛生署的時代他是違憲的他用行政命令來禁止醫師幫病人執行代孕 |
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甚至威脅說要吊銷醫師執照。我們不忍心看到其他沒有資源的人躲在暗夜哭泣。我個人倡議代孕解禁將近30年的時間。20多年前我也正式收養了一個孩子。我們的一家三口感情非常好。我進入國會主要的目標就是要推動代孕解禁。 |
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希望能夠幫助先天性或後天性職工有病變或是因為某一些疾病他這個懷孕有風險甚至包括蔡政府時代允許的這個同婚家庭 |
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院長,您是民進黨內大家人稱的大師兄。大家都說院長您身段柔軟,善於調和、鼎爛。副總統也非常地稱讚您,說您善於溝通、協調,具有創新的思維來面對所有的問題。院長,您自認為是否合乎這樣的評價? |
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不敢當,我只是經常揣摩彼此共同的想法跟意見,那盡量把它拉到距離更接近,我只能做這樣的努力,不敢當。院長謙虛了,我是相信這些觀察都是事實了。那中央社的標題直指卓院長,您是因為擔任賴總統的首任的閣揆,那他負責執行賴總統的議制,那我稍後會用證據來說明賴總統對於代孕制度這件事的意志是什麼? |
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委員長政策是應該要延續的這張圖片是我在這個3月26號總質詢的時候陳建仁院長再度清楚的多次表達要支持代孕因為這個法院 |
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法案攸關生養育權以及當時始料未及的這個少子化國安的這個問題那5月32您拜訪這個民眾黨黨團的時候我也向您請教了說陳前院長任內所提出來的人工生殖法案的修法版本的態度您的態度為何那院長您當時有回覆我說基本上政策應該要延續除非有重大的一個理由請問院長您當天的承諾還在嗎 |
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當然一樣那謝謝,謝謝院長。 院長政策是應該延續,何況是同一個政黨來執政。那陳建元在2004年的時候,因為我的陳情,當時他是衛生署署長,他辦了,很成功辦了第一次的公民會議。公民會議的結論是,允許代孕,代孕有條件通過。那麼到今天,那是20年前的事。 |
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那今天已經落後的這個先進國家數十名的人工生殖法案請院長務必要堅定立場讓臺灣迎頭趕上。 何況臺灣的人工生殖科技是非常的進步加上從2016年民進黨執政以來那個出生人口數從20萬每年向下1萬到去年的13萬多 |
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| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
是的 |
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22027.045 |
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但是院長我非常遺憾的發現在這個衛福部正式病人需求看到少子化的這個危機推出這個這個代孕法治化的修法草案的同時民進黨的性評部卻在5月16號召開了這左邊這張圖的討論會題目叫好像很好聽叫做代孕制度N種可能但事實上整個座談只有一種聲音就是反對代孕入法 |
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根本沒有所謂的N種可能這就是民進黨婦女部數十年的態度有少數幾位如今已經是大佬級的這個女性主義者不斷的反對洗腦無血無淚無心肝完全無視於全世界文明的進步早就很多國家允許代孕我要講的是更離譜的 |
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當時即將就任這個衛福部次長的林靜儀也出席了這個活動。他非但沒有為這個已經出爐的衛福部的主張做出積極的捍衛,而且還唱反調。這樣子他可以擔任政務官嗎?院長、部長可以嗎?他可以擔任政務官嗎? |
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你這對於這次缺藥的事情,林次長甚至他的發言非常的情緒,他對醫護人員的訴求,他竟然說站著講話的人不腰疼,類似這樣的說法,部長我當時有要請你回去約束他,您做了嗎?一個次長講這個話,您做了嗎?缺藥,今天還在解決,還沒解決勒?你沒告訴他,對不對? |
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委員長 |
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新的制度要讓它形成跟它落實我們必須考慮到很多像這件事情呢社會遇到跟以前不同的問題我們必須面對我會告訴你為什麼我們已經做了非常久的功夫邱部長三個月上任的時候您公開對外宣示開放代理母要平年底這個送到立法院而且用最快的速度處理請問部長你還記得這件事嗎你還記得這件事嗎您記得吧 |
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我完全非常了解 |
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您還說在臺灣合乎這個倫理原則下規劃完善的法官制度以及人文關懷帶給國人新的生機政府應該勇於面對謹慎研議國家的處理方向這個論點我百分之百的認同啊部長 |
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您就請你堅守在這個態度上。2017年的態度跟現在的態度應該是一樣的。那現在微服部近期公布的人工生技法修正版,距離前一次是2016年,其實再度微服部的版本一直都包括代孕了。 |
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委員每個人都有不同的價值 |
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委員你身為委員所以我們在這裡對話但是要形成一個制度除了在國會聽取委員的意見我也必須聽聽社會的意見我們只要100年一個世界來形成共識100年後也沒有共識不會那麼慢全世界沒有一件事是沒有爭議的好數十年來這個院板都要經過性評會這是我的重點也數十次在那裡卡關最近一次是2016年當時政策親口告訴我說性評會少數人有意見 |
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小數集會東風苛舊充滿偏見充滿被害妄想症的女性主義者例如黃淑英長期以來主導了性平衛請問院長性平衛只是個姿意小組欸性平衛有民意基礎嗎性平衛是太上皇機關嗎性平衛有權力可以無限上綱嗎為什麼代理法案需要經過性平衛的同意呢 |
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委員你應該知道在5月14號這個修正草案已經公告在公告的期間當然會聽到更多社會的聲音但是它已經進入到整個法的程序裡面來這應該是大家共同努力的一個方向跟進度院長院長請記得喔是你在當家還是姓平會在當家請你要記得這件事情台灣是人民在當家 |
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臺灣女人連線 臺灣女人連線 臺灣女人連線 臺灣女人連線 臺灣女人連線 |
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這個臺灣女人連線這個團體竟然對外公開徵求每名為小編時為網軍要投書反代孕的文章如此思想偏激言行令人不齒的人竟然長期擔任行政院的性評委委員院長這太離譜了我再提醒院長院長你要當全民的院長不要讓黃淑英爬到你的頭上 |
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不要讓他來一個人否決攸關人權跟國安的法案。 行政院整個體制是有規矩的,我們會照規矩,照法定的權限來進行所有相關的政策跟法案。 |
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為什麼我們會擔心法案出不了行政院?除了黃淑英之外,報上這些團體,就是所謂的反代孕的這個父權團體,其實都被黃淑英去影響了。他們都有成員代表在行政院性平會,我先跟你報告,在謝長廷立場時代,我也是那個父權會的代表。過去就是因為少數性平委員堅持反對,綁架整個性平會,讓法案永遠出不了行政院。例如今年3月6日,行政院性平會的第30次會議的會前會, |
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再次封殺待運,連討論都不行欸,會議前會就封殺欸。 院長,性平會這麼大嗎?這麼大嗎? |
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院長、部長,行政院在代理一門法狀這個議題,會不會繼續被這些身處在性平會的反對聲音制約這個限制呢?國家市政沒有自己的立場嗎? |
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我可不可以知道,院長,你怎麼處理這些事情? |
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報告委員,我始終相信任何政策的討論都應該開放而且經過民主的程序,廣納不同的意見。我讓你看這張3月6號行政院性評會會選會的記錄,你可以看到黃淑英用一個臨時動議就試圖把代孕關在衛福部內,連法案送到性評會的機會都封殺掉。 |
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這個決議很離譜,他說作為未來的決策參考,信憑會是決策機關嗎?怎麼會需要按照信憑會的建議補充相關資料,再給信憑會做決議呢?決策呢?這根本是為反而反啊。用各種行政來杯葛這個封殺法案。我必須再次強調,信憑會不是決策機關,它只是個諮議會。它可以建議,但是它不能告訴行政院,你要怎麼做,你不可以怎麼做。 |
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院長你不認為這個會議紀錄非常離譜嗎?在會前會就把它封殺了。 如果只是作為未來決策之參考,那我們會列為參考。 封殺啦!他連會議捐導都不讓他上去啊。 |
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我幫部長來複習一下從衛生署時代到現在衛福部長期以來都是支持的代孕法制化1996年行政院有開放兩個版本加以兩版一版就是開放先進性子宮發育不全當時被稱為就是成招之條款2004年9月陳建仁為了代孕舉行臺灣第一次的公民會議這個公民會議是通過代孕的20年前 |
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二零一零年七月國建署舉行了兩天的國際研討會,邀請先行的國家,像英國、美國,他們的當事人跟專家來臺灣分享討論。 |
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2012年國建署邱署長為了待遇議題再度舉行了第二次的公民會議結論是要求盡快通過待遇而且政府需要積極介入這個運作好2010年、2013年、2015年國建署舉行了三次國家級的民調都是一面倒的支持大約八成然後前一次國建署是在2016年就是民進黨執政之前再度提出待遇法案 |
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而且從1996年開始大概立法委員們舉行了將近20次的公聽會這個公報可以查詢以上佐證 院長我要告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
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台灣社會對待遇議題已經進行了將近30年的思辨過程。 院長您的行政歷練這麼豐富,請問院長有哪一個民生法案需要經過如此長久的折騰呢? |
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20年前待遇就通過了公民會議的支持,如今還面臨少子化國安問題,你不是應該更加速成全這些願意生養孩子的家庭嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
22629.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
院長,實在咱們一樣思辨過程不夠嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
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所以我們經過那麼多年的努力,各方的意見即使現在還在整合,但是這個修法已經上路,它已經在程序當中了。我們是不是回到這個程序裡面,大家互相再來做更多溝通、說服以及互相諒解體認的工作呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
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院長我剛剛一再的強調,我們做了30年,你還要誰在諒解呢?那些人就是少數的一撮人啊!那我也感謝衛福部提出來嘛,你可以看到嘛,衛福部一直都是支持的嘛!但是為什麼你送進民會就否決呢?他是決策機關嗎?他只是自益機構而已啊!我一生不曉得被多少政府機關聘為自益委員會的委員啊!我們也是一個建議案啊!我想我們已經在 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
22677.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
22686.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
我今天大概沒有空跟大家解釋什麼叫公民會議,但是我覺得身為政治人物也請兩位就是做一下功課啦,因為陳建律師長非常熟悉,他幫我舉行了第一次公民會議。 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
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22721.353 |
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我簡單的說一次兩次公民會議的結論第一次公民會議是2004年9月陳建仁署長任內同意有條件開放待運當然有條件是沒有問題什麼事都要有條件的第二次公民會議是2012年的9月我唸一下簡單的結論不應委託者同時提供健康的精或軟質待運因 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
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早日開放不應委託者僅提供健康的經貨人其中之一也應該給予開放那最終無論政府決定開放哪一行的代孕都應該積極的代孕制度的一個運作介入 |
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22737.813 |
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22751.855 |
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公民會議請兩位所長記得公民會議臺灣沒有幾萬多少是公民這是一個審議式的民主很多先進國家採用的一個方法就是對於有爭議的政策去做討論然後最後做出的結論 |
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22780.136 |
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好部長院長這就是2010年13年15年國建署的民調你們可以大概簡單看這個資料都可以查六成的人民支持那麼久以前哦兩成的人不反對也就是有八成的臺灣人民在十幾年前就可以接受代孕法治化如今的社會只會更開放更多元啊難道民意會走回頭路嗎 |
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22781.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
22782.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
看他舉案的過程跟他怎麼樣詢問答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
22809.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
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院長,國家的民調你不相信嗎?我說取樣的過程,民間的民調也要看他取樣的過程,跟我們政府所做的是不是一樣。那我可不可以請問你,至少國家的民調是可信啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
22822.739 |
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22851.265 |
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我們相信政府所作的民調。國家的民調欸!你國家的民調不要聽那你...對啊我們相信政府所作的民調。這個是國建署的民調。因為它是主責單位嘛。好,院長,來,如前面我所說的,我們來看看中央社報導說,主委院長您擔任這個首任閣僱啦,就是要執行總統的議制嘛,賴總統。那就人工生殖法的部分,我先來向您說明賴總統的議制是什麼。好,院長部長,你們知道賴清德總統是大運法案的先行者嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
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22874.504 |
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二十二年前,賴清德立委提出的代言法案,蕭美琴立委跟陳吉美也都連署了,相當罕見的,總計提案人數,連署人數超過30位,這代表什麼?代理義務是人權問題,是民生問題,是無關政治意識形態的。二十二年前這份 |
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22890.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
提案總說明書寫著當時有他持空背景一個人不管是先天或後天的原因缺乏了傳宗接代所必須的生殖要素這是不可彌補的身體缺陷應該被公平地視為生殖機能上的障礙者 |
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好,我們繼續看。 |
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從這張圖左邊可以看到賴總統跟現任的范遜麗監委當時多麼的努力對人工生殖法草案做了功課他們調查了225位立委的看法當時國民黨民進黨新黨立委都認為國內對代理運動的需求是需要 |
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大於不需要其中民進黨立委認同度還最高呢56%好,又圖是去年夏天來我辦公室採訪代孕議席兩位武林高中生他們今年要上大學了他們特地跑來告訴我在參加今年的成大經濟系跟台大法律系的爭試他們都爭試成功了面試老師竟然不約而同的選擇代孕作為爭試的主題 |
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22992.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
臺大法律系我尚可理解法案成大經濟系實在讓人驚豔另外今年3月我也應邀麗山高中的邀請去演講待遇教務主任還特別跑來告訴我說這可是學生自己安排自己邀約的我認為這再再都顯示這個待遇已經受到國人包括年輕學子的高度關注 |
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23017.95 |
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好,30年來醫學快速進展。我們有新藥新科技。罹患這個癌症或者寒病不再是沒有生路。三天前我們也通過了再生醫療雙法。但人工生殖法跟醫療科技一直有一道人為的鴻溝跨不過去。讓子宮有病變的女性始終看不見曙光。我們的感受是子宮缺陷。 |
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不是沒救,是不肯救。不是沒救,是不肯救!臺灣第一個試管嬰兒誕生於民國74年,1985年,到今天是39年了。而且臺灣的人工生殖技術是非常的進步成熟。科技的目的本來就是幫助人民追求幸福,達成心願。但性平位反代任的少數成員竟然夾持政府,要求病人接受命運。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
所以有資源就迴避命運,迴避他的禁令在國內私下進行代孕,是的沒錯,在國內私下進行,包括我自己。或一直哀求我或是拜託我幫他找代孕者,有財力的人就到國外去做代孕。反對者說代孕需求者是剝削社經地位的女性,請問不孕還有分富貴高低嗎? |
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如果臺灣繼續禁止那才是真正剝削無權無勢的不孕者因為很多人都沒有錢到國外做回到現在的人工生殖法院長部長你們知道有多落伍嗎只包含了捐金捐卵近20年竟然沒有實質的修法除了反對者的刻薄冷血行政的這個怠惰我實在沒有其他形容詞了我想請問捐金捐卵衍生的問題會少於代孕嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
院長你知道相對容易的捐金完全沒有追蹤報告這是後果不堪這個不堪設想嗎再來反對者事不甘己的要求不孕者去收養孩子請問臺灣收養的有追蹤分析跟評估報告嗎院長部長你知道臺灣收養終止率有多高嗎 |
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我告訴你,包括你的師傅就是啊,臺灣中養這個,收養終止率有多高嗎?57%你可以去社家處查。多麼可怕,比離婚率還高欸。想收養就自己去收養嘛,不要一天到晚呼叫別人去收養小孩。收養跟不孕是兩碼事,不相關。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
我不服氣但願通過兩次嚴謹的公民會議但相關法案卻長期被擱置這是偏見也是歧視我今天再度代表那些只能默默哭泣的需求者在國會殿堂提出最嚴重的抗議沒有精子沒有卵子我們尚且伸出援手子宮有病變沒有功能不救嗎請問院長病人有分高低嗎 |
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委員我很願意理解委員的狀況而且很多雙同國人或許也同樣的狀況那我們願意進到法的這個程序裡面來盡快把它做得更周圍圓滿成為一個進步的法律我相信你邱部長你是身為很多人尊敬的醫師我想請部長就常理回答今天如果有一位罹患先進性子宮發育不全或是後天有病變但是渴望生小孩的女性出現在你的門診 |
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你會跟他說,你原本就要被社會淘汰啊,棄嬰很可憐啊,你又發揮大愛去收養棄嬰啊,你自己生不出來幹嘛寄予別人子宮啊,不孕不是病啊,你需要的是心理治療啊,人生不能什麼都想要啊,需求待遇哪不是人權是慾望,部長你會這樣回答他嗎? |
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我幾十年來不管是自己在跟病人跟教學生不會用這樣來你不會嘛你一定不會嘛我相信啊絕大多數的醫師根據有起碼同理心的人都不會講這種話很遺憾我已經被這些話多數來自所謂活躍的女性主義者霸凌了將近30年 |
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要求大運的病人公開是很困難。 這也為什麼這麼多年來只有我跟藝人小嫻公開自己的身體機密。 院長、部長,這些子宮有病病人他們躲在黑暗的角落裡哭泣,很難被聽到,就好像過去的同性伴侶一樣。 兩位首長,他們的悲傷跟期待你們聽到了嗎? |
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23276.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
不要把他打入絕症,明明有救。 院長,我們真的要逼我們人民到國外去求救嗎? |
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請問部長,您知道上面的法條條文是哪個版本嗎?這21條規範當中哪些人可以委託代理母?第一,異性戀夫妻當中的妻子無子宮或子宮有病變或懷孕有危及生命時。第二,瘦素配偶雙方均為男性,也就是男男同志。第三,女女同志配偶雙方均無子宮或子宮有病變或懷孕有危及生命之餘。 |
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這個只要符合上面三個條件之一才能委託代理運務部長您知道這是誰的版本嗎?我不太清楚沒關係因為部長您其實才剛才這是衛福部的版本我其實看到這個版本的時候我非常的感動 |
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因為這是一個真正憑錢的這個法案將可能需要待運的所有族群都含掛在裡面有很多人以為女女同志不會有困難不需要待運其實不是的因為女女同志伴侶雙方的子宮也不一定完全健康一定很適合去這個讓孩子來成長他們這個需求待運還是有存在這個機會的我真的非常感謝衛福部非常細心的考量這一點部長這是衛福部的版本喔 |
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實證反對者理由 |
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我來看這張好嗎?下一張這個圖。 院長我再說一次 |
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五二零南下的時候我和賴總統相談甚歡我先恭喜總統然後問總統說你還繼續支持我的待遇嗎他笑咪咪的回答我當然支持待遇你不是一直也告訴別人我二十幾年前就支持你的待遇嗎當時有民進黨的立委許智傑還有我們三黨三位民進黨同行都可以作證總統無細言君無細言我當然不會錄音我的好朋友的音但是他確實這樣告訴我了 |
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將心比心,成全別人追求幸福是人生的最高境界。將心比心,成全別人追求幸福是人生最高境界。 |
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謝謝陳昭志委員的質詢,也謝謝卓院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第13位陳俊宇委員質詢。 |
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好,謝謝大會主席,我們韓院長,那有請我們卓院長。麻煩再請卓院長背信。院長好,辛苦了。不會,應該的。謝謝院長,謝謝院長曾經帶領我們在民進黨最低迷的時候,能夠來承擔這個黨主席,帶領我們走過民主的一個這個時刻。那也謝謝我們卓院長, |
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對於我們之前政府所規劃的相關的建設,我相信會在我們左院長帶領之下應該都會 |
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一一落實的來完成那宜蘭縣在我們這個未來我們規劃了一個黃金關鍵的10年那有四大面向是以交通還有我們的醫療產業跟觀光作為要努力的一個目標當然這其中一定是以這個交通為所要努力的一個重中之重的一個重要目標 |
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在交通方面,我相信在規劃當中的北宜高鐵延伸,還有我們鐵路高架等等這些工程目前都分別進入相關的環境影響評估的階段。我想要請教院長就是針對這個建設,我們有沒有辦法可以來縮短相關的期程,讓這些工程可以儘早來動工、提早來完工,有沒有辦法? |
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跟陳委員報告關於高鐵延伸案無論是宜蘭或是屏東這兩個案子我們在日前雖然我們上任只有兩個禮拜多的時間我們已經開過一次專案的會議來討論這個事情那它存在的目前一些問題我們在裡面會議當中都有充分的討論那細節上是不是請部長來說一下討論結果跟現在進行的方向 |
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是,我想高鐵延伸到宜蘭,跟委員報告目前相對的整個規劃已經逐漸的比較成熟那進入關鍵性的這個環評的階段那現在正在做相關的環境的這個調查因為要有四個季的這個調查的數據所以預計在明年初 |
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鐵路高架應該也是如此 |
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鐵路高架可能會再更快一點,因為他今年6月環評就會有大會的審查,那如果順利通過,我們也希望很快就可以進入設計發包的階段。好,鐵路高架最主要是要消弭這個平交道讓民眾在通行的時候更加安全。當然在宜蘭的這個整個地理環境來看, |
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這個有23座的平交道目前還在使用當中當然我們現階段規劃的這個15.84公里的部分只能先行拆除9座的平交道我相信平交道的減少一定可以讓民眾在通行的時候更加安全這是第一點另外就是以地理環境來看 |
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是要縫合宜蘭縣整個東西向這個產業發展的一個這個裂痕希望能夠讓這個東西向可以均衡發展那高鐵延伸的部分不管是延伸到宜蘭或是延伸到屏東我相信這個都是在延續之前我們當時林佳龍部長在規劃的這個環台6小時一日生活圈的這個目標在邁進加上這個東部快鐵的部分 |
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那我也希望說我們對於這個交通建設應該是要加緊腳步,讓所有我們全臺各地通行的民眾可以有一個更方便、更便捷的一個交通路。那另外對於這個我們0403花蓮這個震災之後,那我們相關的這個後續的 |
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正新方案都已經開始在啟動,那宜花東一直以來都是這個共體性的一個觀光攘帶的生活圈,那為什麼會獨落宜蘭?是不是可以請我們未來在規劃這個後續的正新方案的時候可以納入宜蘭縣,可不可以? |
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是,跟委員報告,當時整個在評估的時候是判斷起來就是宜蘭的定房率大概沒有像花蓮那麼嚴重的,它幾乎是這個斷崖式的這個下滑,那宜蘭的話是稍微有一點影響,那所以我們現在是用相關的活動的補助, |
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還有來最近也會推廣一個種夏的這個活動,那麼會投入大概500萬的經費來協助宜蘭,因為用活動的方式來招攬觀光客。那後續我們來看整個訂房率的狀況,再做進一步的處理。跟部長跟院長報告一下,這個活動類的這種補助方式緩不濟急。因為以往這個宜蘭縣在端午節前後,端午節前後訂房率應該都是八成。 |
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根據我昨天最新的資訊,現在訂房率是不到差不多四成左右而已。在04、03之後,我們宜蘭縣許多這些飯店業者,他們的訂房率每天都是個位數。一百多間的房間每天都個位數,比之前這個COVID-19的時期還要嚴峻。所以我真的懇切的拜託院長跟部長, |
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在這個振興方案方面是否可以研議讓宜蘭縣也納入,共同來讓我們這些觀光旅宿業也能夠在這個振興方案當中能夠來獲得比較舒緩的方式。 |
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感謝委員的提醒陳如剛剛部長所說的2024的臺灣仲夏節是一個節慶的活動但是宜蘭傳統以來還有銅腕節還有綠色博覽會我希望交通部、觀光署能夠把這些活動串聯起來變成可以整套的跟讓人民講說在這個季節都是可以到宜蘭宜蘭是一個靜水的地方靜水、靜好的地方希望我們的人民可以去宜蘭玩 |
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拜託一定禁書要我們中央來管事。另外對於宜蘭縣,宜蘭縣是一個多語形態的一個城鎮。今年前幾天我們落後超過200天以上。在整個室內空間的使用方面,常常是 |
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我們要舉辦不管是賽事或是這個運動訓練甚至在日前剛好也有一個大型的演唱會在那邊舉辦兩天的這個活動對照著天氣讓這個所有的民眾感受到第一天是晴空萬里第二天是下著雨那穿著雨衣在那邊聽演唱會非常的不方便所以我在此想要拜託這個我們院長 |
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我曾經在3月的時候跟我們教育部這個商討過是不是針對宜蘭縣可以來爭取一個小巨蛋的可能性?各位委員報告小巨蛋這種大型的延展展覽的會場它的興建需要很龐大的資金而且蓋好之後整個營運又需要非常專業而且非常有規劃據我所知到宜蘭縣政府現在也在評估把一個田徑場所 |
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所以院長您應該認同不管是 |
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這個體育場現有的田徑場加這個觀眾席加蓋或是整個加蓋或是可以來研議 |
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在適當的場所在建置一個比較大型的這個室內的這個活動空間,您認同嗎?我覺得宜蘭縣政府正在評估這幾個方式,那我希望縣政府能夠完成這樣的評估,有個計畫之後可以進行討論。好,那是不是請院長就責成我們教育部是不是跟縣政府那邊盡快去做聯繫,把這個工作把它串接起來?部長現在有什麼進度嗎?有。 |
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現在就是跟委員報告,就如從院長講,縣政府目前就正在做評估中,那如果他們這個確定他們方案的時候,我們就會行程序來提報。好,謝謝部長。那部長您先請回。那針對這個AI的部分,那最近最夯的部分,我相信不管AI到哪一個縣市,我在此我是鄭重的要推薦能夠到我們乙科。 |
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為什麼要到宜科?我想說跟院長跟部長還有我們國發會的主委做一個報告。宜蘭縣的科學園區在2004年的時候被領選為發展數位創意及通訊知識服務產業的一個科學園區。目前還有20公頃的閒置空間。 |
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當然可以作為這個揮打全面發展第二座研發設計中心的一個空間一定是最絕佳的一個選擇的一個地點為什麼呢?因為在交通方面從宜蘭科學園區到大台北的這個通行時間大概是40分鐘那在未來我們剛剛講的高鐵如果他完成廠站剛好也就在科學園區的隔壁 |
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可以提供我們更快速便捷的一個公共這個交通運輸的路網那在生活技能方面呢它的園區的北端有一個27公頃的宜蘭運動公園那跨越南洋溪之後有一個這個56公頃的羅東運動公園 |
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那從這個園區到市區通行大概只有5分鐘的車程那緊鄰的還有宜蘭縣政府還有我們宜大的宜蘭大學的這個城南校區都可以滿足我們這些科技人士的休閒工作運動還有生活相關的這個方面的需求來配合完善這些公共設施鄰近還有這個優質的學校跟這個住宅區 |
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充分可以提供這些科技人一個安心工作的環境所以我覺得說假設有機會的話以我們這個國發會還有我們經濟部在輔導相關的這些科學園區活化土地的當下依然科學園區是不是一個絕佳的選擇地點 |
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非常清楚委員對地方建設、地方發展的用心那這個部分我請國科會來向委員做回答報告陳委員宜蘭原區目前是我們竹科在管理那宜蘭的確是地靈人傑如果說相關的廠商感覺這是一個很好的地方國科會一定會盡力來協助那可不可以請我們的主委 |
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來推薦這個地點?各縣市現在表達意願的,我們都會來推薦。都會推薦。那部長,您也是這個產業界的一個佼佼者。那今天擔任部長,我想對於這個醫科的部分,我們有沒有機會來爭取輝達公司來這邊設立這個研究中心? |
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報告委員,我們經濟部的立場也是一樣,就是我們都歡迎所有國外的廠商來選擇台灣作為發展的地方。他們需要我們經濟部的協助的時候,我們都會全力來告訴他們,也會來推薦所有的地方。 |
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我相信地方如果他的準備越充分,能夠得到這個廠商的青睞,我想這個是大概他們決定選擇地方的一個非常基本的原則。好,謝謝。謝謝部長還有這個我們主委。我也希望說能夠在院長的帶領之下,來活化我們在地的這些AI或是高科技的產業。我們不只歡迎這個輝達公司,我們也歡迎所有這個我們 |
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謝謝部長跟這個主委。另外一個部分要請院長這個支持就是我們宜蘭的這個 |
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請院長再指示我們的教育部還有我們衛福部能夠積極地來辦 |
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因為後續可能還需要一點點的經費 |
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那58.21已經到位,後面的可能大概是上缺20億,再請院長跟我們部長能夠來積極的把預算匡列好,讓這個大家所期待的醫學中心可以盡早完成。好,敬佩這個委員對地方的請命,我們一起努力。好,謝謝院長,也謝謝部長。謝謝陳俊宇委員的質詢,謝謝主委長的備詢。現在報議會,我們休息10分鐘。 |
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則定。 |
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報告委員會現在繼續開會請徐委員新穎質詢。 |
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謝謝主席。本席請卓院長。請卓院長備選。議員好。院長好。首先恭喜您就任我們新政府的行政院長。我們新的總統賴總統就職演說的時候, |
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本席也有看也有聆聽對於賴總統所這個演說的內容我們是非常的期待但是我們也希望這個政府的這個施政能夠如我們賴總統說的能夠行公益好聯名 |
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施政也會不斷的革新創台灣政治的新風貌。 |
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所以今天的總質詢本席想就幾個我們臺灣大的這個面向一些問題也是我們民眾這個最重視的那您也是我當立委的前輩你也當過兩屆所以我們立法委員都是帶著民眾的期望跟民眾的反應來到這個立法院所以首先第一個就是 |
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台灣如果能夠安全特別是兩岸的和平那我相信台灣也才能夠有長治久安那本席在地方走也聽到很多的民眾最期盼的就是兩岸的和平那在賴總統的就職演說裡面我看了一下針對台海的情勢也提了6次的兩岸和平提到6次所以我相信這個應該也是賴總統非常非常重視的 |
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所以賴總統有特別提到這個兩岸和平有四大支柱所以今天本席想來請教首先第一個四大支柱是強化國防力量那這個強化國防力量我們一般對強化國防力量是不是我們要跟對岸軍備競賽嗎?您回答是或不是當然不是不是的話那你這個國防力量你指的是什麼? |
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就像我們在家裡要裝鐵窗一樣,也是保障家裡的安全。你軍備還是有嗎?還是有。那請問這個打仗也要有兵,那你目的到足夠的兵源嗎?你的國防力量,你的兵源在哪裡?那我們現代化又需要很多專業的這個兵源。 |
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您請教院長,您覺得這個兵員足夠嗎?你就回答這樣就好,好不好?兵應該是在京,而不是在多啦。部長是不是同意?那所以兵員我們募得到嗎?就是要募到京兵嗎?目前看起來是募不到嘛。 |
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我們有加強,我知道大家都在努力,可是這個強化國防力量裡面,我們軍備競賽也沒有辦法,也沒辦法跟對岸競爭。我們的兵源也不夠,然後也您說的沒錯,需要精嘛,兵在精不在多,但是有的時候也是要多啦。 |
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第二,賴總統說建構經濟安全。 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
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而且賴總統說經濟安全的部分要發展五大信賴產業那目前台灣的情況經濟的部分缺水缺電缺工缺地缺人才五缺問題我首先請教院長您上任之後您覺得五缺問題能夠解決嗎? |
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可以嗎?你覺得可以嗎?一定要解決,所以可以解決。但是我們看到的現況是五缺一直沒有解決,至少現況沒有解決。所以再加上我們兩岸問題有地緣風險,所以很多造成外國政府、廠商強制的讓臺灣優質產業外移。 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
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再來第三點賴總統提到展現穩定而有原則的兩岸關係領導能力這很長的一個第三根支柱 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
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就是兩岸領導人要有誠意跟善意來面對共同的問題。 |
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所以我們的賴總統這個是呼籲嘛這個是呼籲因為對岸的我看我們台灣跟對岸當然新政府剛上任至少在過去8年幾乎是不溝通不協調不往來幾乎都沒有對話所以呢我們發現這個部分第三根支柱也倒了第三根支柱也倒 |
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最後第四點我們賴總統提到的第四根支柱推動價值外交當然價值外交本席相信不限於民主價值也涵蓋了貿易科技農業甚至我們教育文化任何只要是我們跟各國彼此認可認同的價值 |
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但是呢這個價值外交啊我們發現只要兩岸關係不降溫台灣和其他國交的外交關係好像就很難突破所以我們看到從這個二零 |
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從民國98年到105年,連續8年我們可以參加WHA,但是我們從106年開始就沒辦法。最近我們的衛福部2024也在參加世界衛生大會上報告說,WHA屈從政治壓力而為邀我與會。 |
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25555.952 |
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國際的現實確實也不容易,就像我們生活在社會上也是社會的現實,所以未來我們的新政府,我們賴總統的團隊,我們卓院長的行政院團隊,怎麼樣的有智慧讓我們的這個 |
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25575.585 |
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兩岸的和平,剛剛第四大,現在講第四大支柱,所以我們第四大支柱呢,感覺上也是倒了,所以我們蔡總統提的四大支柱好像都倒了。跟委員報告,今天最後一天Computex還在台北展覽,如果你等一下可以到現場去,你感受到那滿滿的科技跟經濟力,它也很多的國防所需的專業都在裡面,你可以把這個支柱再把它扶起來。 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
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所以我也不同意我們的國防力量沒有在強化我們一直在強化我們的國防力量我是站在我希望未來因為你們賴總統剛上任我希望未來我們可以看到我們台灣我們大家是一體的我當然希望我們台灣的這個兩岸和平四大支柱他可以站起來他可以屹立不搖我們大家希望的共同的就是兩岸和平 |
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這需要大院跟行政院跟全國人民一直在努力,我們只要腳步一致,方向一致,團結一起,我們一定可以做得比現在好很多。好,我也希望,我也希望,所以未來我們也希望看出新政府的誠意。那最後,因為我們兩岸關係呢,我們有所謂的大陸委員會,那過去呢我們發現,好像大陸委員會都變成大陸宣傳委員會。 |
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我剛講等於是不溝通不交流不協調也不對談互不往來但是我們發現有一點我們這個陸委會在臉書上的廣告我們有年輕人傳給我廣告費用好像是所有部會在臉書廣告費用 |
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所看到的算比較多的,最多的,所以我們不希望陸委會沒有實質的作為,反而變成大陸宣傳委員會,只是不斷的對內做一些各種的宣傳,我們希望有實質的行動。 |
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那有關兩岸和平本席因為時間的關係就到這裡,我們謝謝各位部長,謝謝。沒關係,那但是我們看到的宣傳大部分都是用談話跟宣傳,好沒關係,那本席要接著請教院長。 |
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第二個就是我相信您一定很清楚,現在全台灣詐騙的問題,院長您覺得嚴不嚴重?我講過很多次,詐騙集團,我跟國人一樣都深惡痛苦。所以呢,我們現在只要大家聚在一起, |
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一講到詐騙每個人都提到例子,都有例子啊。我的誰或是我周圍的誰不是親戚就是朋友。所以我們台灣變成詐騙者的天堂。這個問題我們一定要想辦法。當然本席也看到院長您有宣誓首重武打其安裡面的最重要就是打仗。 |
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那所以打詐的問題非常多我相信您也知道但有一點很重要本席以一個例子來說就是我們常常啦我相信所有委員都一樣常常接到民眾這個受到詐騙他們就找立委那其中有一個網路虛擬貨幣的詐騙那我們這個接到民眾反應之後我們打給 |
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警察打給警察單位結果接電話的警察說這個好像是國外的就是這個詐騙整個網路是在國外那那個警察就電話接起來說這個真的沒辦法這跨國沒辦法我告訴你我自己也被騙了一百萬所以您看這種詐騙的情況多麼的嚴重警察人員也束手無策自己被騙摸摸鼻子所以 |
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兩岸問題是臺灣民眾安全的問題那這個是財產安全財產安全那既然這個影響這麼大我們看到第一線的檢察官我不知道院長有沒有聽說有叫建清檢改的第一線偵辦詐騙的檢察官他們整個組合起來而且不是一個地檢署喔各個地檢署檢察官聯合起來他們說 |
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從他們工作上的經驗他們點名金管會、金管會、NCC還有速發部是打詐國家隊的三大戰犯當然這個你們都才剛接任所以讓你們了解所以這三個我們剛剛講碰到詐騙第一個金管會不列管虛擬貨幣 |
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然後呢,訴發部不列管網路詐騙。警政署說這個詐騙是金管會跟訴發部的職責,所以人民被騙求告無門。那像這種情況非常普遍,所以本席想請教院長就是,我們是不是可以跨部會整合,而且非常的有決心的來做這件事。 |
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報告委員 |
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這個有院長的回答我覺得就夠了而且我們也希望院長您說到就全力去做我們一定也一起大家一定要一起把詐騙把它這個驅離離開台灣我們台灣不要變成詐騙的天堂尤其我想慢慢的明年後年我們都可以看這個民眾去年詐騙統計得到的數字就89億多我相信黑數非常多 |
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光是我周圍的人我覺得有很多根本都沒有被政府統計到。剛剛院長有講到打詐四法。剛好在前天內政委員會有在審查詐欺犯罪危害防治條例的草案。這一個草案它本身應該 |
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這個就是剛剛講要整合可是這個草案裡面牽涉到的各個部會他們還是各司其職還是各司其職所以這一塊本席希望說是不是可以我們在審這個法案的時候本席也有提出來一個最後的附帶決議 |
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因為我們看到行政院板已經就是還是分崩離析各司其職所以本席提了這個附帶決議我們希望呢能夠請院長親自督導溝通協調各部會管考落實降低詐騙院長可以嗎我們除了各部會之外我們還有政委負責在督導讓我一定隨時掌握狀況讓他可以在最快的速度裡面產生最好的效率 |
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本席很開心聽到您這樣講當然因為你也知道我們每半年就會相遇一次所以我們希望可以看到成績那再來這個本席接下來要請教院長的就是我們之前看到我們的賴清德總統到新竹為兩位 |
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我還沒有要請院長回答就是我們不時會聽到這新聞會報道 |
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既然我們這個賴總統說要市民如親所以我們政府能做的是什麼?要知道真正問題所在不要有再下一個不要再有下一個我們消防的弟兄 |
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| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
﹗ |
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所以院長也了解那我們看一下今年去年去年112年我們112年112年需要955個名額可是呢我們最後只錄取了351個所以我們政府治理上我相信像這個我們院長接手了我們要想辦法今天 |
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| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
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院長有一句話我相信我們年代應該都講得出啦我說上一句您說下一句天下無難事下一句話只怕有心人對但是我們看到我們的這個政府啊幾年下來我看到的是天下無難事只要肯放棄只要肯放棄放棄了就沒事所有事情甩鍋甩鍋兩手一攤 |
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天下無難事啊,但是受苦的都是我們民眾。警消人員都是社會安全的支柱,我們一定不會放棄警消人員的權益保障。您看一下,我們這邊錄取率與需求在過去8年,這邊是10年,過去10年來您看一下,真正有符合的才多少,紅字全部是缺少的。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
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所以那缺到去年對112年到一個極致那去年其實去年12月本席在參選的期間我們的消防署長就在我選區一位消防弟兄他也是殉職而且他是分隊長就是因為人員不足他自己進去還這個最後殉職了 |
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然後不到半年新竹又兩位又兩位所以本席要強調的是都知道那麼缺了為什麼不加強來招收 |
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這個人數啊我們看最後報考人數1910人其他往年再怎麼樣招到3000人他也只錄取了500多人我們要955人招考到1910人今天如果是一個企業的話我要那麼多人我剩下兩個禮拜甚至剩一個月這個我就要報考截止了我看到沒有人我會想盡辦法宣傳就像 |
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貴黨你要選票你要想盡辦法宣傳你選票不夠的時候你就想辦法宣傳為什麼我們消防弟兄人員不足我們不能想辦法宣傳我們想辦法讓更多人知道更多有志者來參加 |
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這一塊我們真心覺得一定要盡快改善因為全國的消防人員都不足那這個人員不足造成的惡性循環就是所以現在消防弟兄啊他們全部都是這個過度的繁重所以退休的提早退休的一堆人還有中途離職的也一堆所以因為這樣惡性循環我們消防弟兄真的是很可憐 |
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我現在講的 |
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你今天遭受不足的時候,你在前面看到,因為本席看齁,我們現在可以問一下全國民眾,甚至部會首長如果你誠實摸著良心,你什麼時候看到各個媒體或是你有看過消防人員招考,沒有嘛,我們有沒有印象,有印象當兵的,有印象警察的,有印象什麼的,你就沒有好好的宣傳去招考啊。 |
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好。OK。 |
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本席拭目以待。接著第四個部分也是要為全民請命的,就是全民健保的問題。其實全民健保是我們臺灣的驕傲,更是全臺灣人民健康的守護制度。但是多年的實行下來,我相信院長您一定也了解,加上我們的 |
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來總統他本身就是醫生出身所以醫界的很多聲音我相信總統一定也清楚所以我們現在長期下來我們健保最大的這個幾個幾個問題發生非常嚴重 |
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第一個我們因為總額設定的成長率也就是我們大家通稱的這個總額天花板太低了不符合實際國民對於健康的需求與期待還有醫療體系的成本與服務無法反映無法反映他的成本跟服務造成了醫護人員薪資不能合理的反映他服務的辛勞與專業 |
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我們臺灣的醫療大家都非常的驕傲我們真的要非常的感謝這些在這個崗位上的醫護人員本席對他們是非常的敬佩與敬重只是我們的制度我們的制度真的虧欠他們太多了所以第二個問題我們醫療資源和鼓勵措施呢錯誤的配置還有齊頭式的平等這些觀念 |
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這第二點。 |
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第三點,現代科技進步,再加上通貨膨脹,所以醫療器材還有藥品,它的價格當然無日不漲,現在萬物齊漲,所以健保的情況下一定會砍價。這砍價的結果就造成有的藥品跟醫材,它就不再進入台灣,因為我們是健保制度。 |
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這個表面上看起來是在為人民把關實際上不一定造福於人民所以我相信健保問題很複雜很多也不是我們在這裡總諮詢可以談完的但是日前我們看到我們這個公立的大醫院的兩大院長都站出來這個講話其實他們真的是發出 |
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整個一屆共同的新生所以本席在這裡針對我們這個各方對於健保的意見還有很多問題很複雜可是呢這個為了臺灣人民能夠守護我們臺灣人民的健康長長久久的健保制度我們一定要想辦法解決這些問題 |
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請問院長,是不是可以,本席想提議,能不能請總統召開健保國是會議,盡速的研議對策,來挽救這個守護全台灣人民健康的制度。各位委員報告,日前總統已經參與了健康台灣的全國的論壇。 |
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往後我們從健康憲章以及健康台灣深耕計畫當中會逐年的來落實健康台灣論壇當中所定下的十大要點。但是我們的健保的問題還有我們醫護人員的這些問題特別健保的這個總額制一定要想辦法改進。 |
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我們健保的問題一定要解決好不好?本席就是提議我們覺得這個問題太大了 |
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一定要請總統,我們希望能夠召開國是會議,然後我們一定要想辦法重視這個問題,因為這個我們在座的每一個人,我們都是這個肉身啊,我們沒有人可以置外於這個身體的健康。 |
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接下來本席要就勞保年金勞保年金這個也是廣大的勞工全國一千多萬的勞工那勞保年金呢 |
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這個在過去8年只有開會收集意見沒有任何的改革作為那院長我想您應該知道我們的勞動部何部長有說波普就是改革那總統也在就職典禮有說只要政府在勞保絕對不會倒那這個是不是就是波普的意思所以院長請問您同不同意何部長波普就是改革這句話 |
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26717.304 |
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請教院長,我們經濟部長郭部長也很勇敢地有說,他站在一個CEO的立場,不支持補貼台電,認為電價一定要反映成本。 |
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全國有2300多萬人都要用電那撥補1000多萬的勞保只有撥補那請問電價的部分請問郭部長他要學何部長還是他應該要照他的所以在這裡呢本席主要請教院長 |
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臺電要不要撥補?如果不撥補,能不能承諾電價不會反覆調漲?很多的國際因素跟政策目標,臺電承擔了很大的一個包袱。所以我們要讓臺電...能不能承諾電價不會反覆調漲?電價是經過審議委員會來處理的。 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
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政府一向的想法是要不變動民生用電的大原則,增加用戶大電的負擔,這個是一向的方向,以後也是朝這個方向。 |
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最後本席還是要拉回到勞保年金我們年年撥補本席建議因為我們已經看整個撥補下來已經2670億元了所以本席建議政府可不可以我們就這個撥補的部分政府能夠最終支付責任入法可不可以入法院長同意嗎 |
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政府一定負最終責任對,但是我們要有所憑據,要有所依據啊 |
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可不可以入法? |
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這個在行政作為上面一定把它列為很優先的考慮。 列入很優先,所以會積極來做。 最後本席還要就一個也是我們很快要實施的國土計劃法。 這個院長您應該也了解,國土計劃法也是對我們全國的民眾預計要實施造成非常多的 |
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這個民怨本席在這裡要特別提醒院長過去的教改被人家質疑的就是坐在冷氣房裡昧於現況不符合實際需求然後呢都是一些理想然後實施下去結果學生家長叫這個哀聲連連現在國土計劃法已經有一點類似這樣了國土計劃法 |
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我們在地方上聽到非常多的聲音比如說你特農特農就是糧田啊所以實際上被國土計畫法你在辦公室化為特農的糧田沒有水可以灌溉然後真正的糧田拿去蓋房子 |
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民眾覺得糧田應該拿來種水稻啊,還有在國土計畫法裡面被劃為山坡地保育的土地,其實是平地,可是它被劃為森林保護區。 |
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然後民眾,這個農民啊,國土計畫法裡面最哀聲連連的就是我們的農民。 農民他辛苦工作賺不到錢,希望國家能夠輔導他機械化。 想要務農的人,他的土地又不一定被化為農地。 所以本席的重點就是,國土計畫法不要憑空想像,要到地方去聽取地方的聲音。 院長可以嗎? |
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接下來我們請郭委員國文質詢 |
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主席,有請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。 |
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國務委員好 院長好 院長本期對你充滿期待特別是呢接連兩次執政之地三次執政我們接下來這個內閣 延續過去內閣的政績要如何有些突破跟創新那過往其實之前的內閣做過一些努力而我在之前的這個上一屆的立委當中我們對於整個這個高房價問題也做過許多的努力高房價的內容當中呢我們在央行的部分做了五波的信用管制 |
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不論在內政部的時候平均地權條例的部分的修改或者包括我們在財政部有兩歲房地合一2.0或者包括這個實價登錄2.0等做出的努力總共累積起來有10波之久和當10波之久之後在今年初我們看到到第4季的這個價格住宅指數已經高達到136.2連創5年的整個房價的升高 |
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另外我們還看到整個1到4月的整個買賣移轉高達11.14萬棟年增31.6%創下13年來的新高簡單的講價量奇養在這種價量奇養的情況底下有三高我歸結起來量高、價高還有資本集中度高而這三高當中包括央行昨天有特別提到也是三高 |
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昨天我請教了這個央行的總裁有沒有新招,我想請教一下院長你有沒有新招? |
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| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
院長 |
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我相信你要回答的內容當中,我之前有做過的了解。 不論是社宅也好,報住代管也好,基本上租入市場以後替代的效果會比較好一點。可是就如你所說的,國人的觀念上希望擁有所有權,不像是地上的所有權或土地的所有權。事實上擁有土地所有權或地上的所有權有它的道理,因為它有財務槓桿的可能性,它有質押的空間,但是你有房子是完全都沒有。 |
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所以說呢他不是他沒有道理但是依照目前的社會住宅我了解過他的速度呢基本上很難快的起來也就是說你沒有達到租屋者需求之外你也沒有辦法達到這個想要擁有房子的人的需求更何況你也沒有辦法達到壓抑房價的這個可能性這種情況底下我想請問一下院長你還沒有請到新招 |
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所以我剛剛有說到這個要考慮到國人的觀念過去以擁有但現在我們除了擁有之外除了地上權之外我們考慮內政部在研一個新的方式那但首先我希望內政部在短期內把可以興建的土地盤整出來我們來嘗試一種新的形態跟國人來做更多的就叫劉部長有沒有什麼新的形態 |
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市長的指示非常正確我們希望社宅可以達到百萬包括剛剛講的包租代管或者是租金補貼然後是25萬戶這樣的部分也就是說你房子的數目可以在一般的平價可以接受的狀況之下才能有效的抑制這個房價的高漲部長這個百萬的這個證件內容我看過我想社會住宅這部分是要做這變成中長期但短期內我就想就教於院長的部分就剛剛的管制措施當中有幾個面向一 |
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﹚議員 |
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新建社會住宅是一個軌道現在資本集中才是一個大的問題 |
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指紋其中大的問題的情況底下,如果說你要透過財政手段的話,那不是房地合一2.0還會有3.0嗎?這是其中之一嘛。或者呢實價登錄還有作為不足的地方,對不對?或者還是說我們平均地權條例還在修改,還是你認為啊,下個禮拜第六波的管制出來的時候,第六波的信用管制出來的時候,要加強這個力道,是不是? |
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拜託院長把這一個高房價的問題做出一個比較專案性的思維。過去三年我們一直努力在做,但是我講白一點,結果成效不符合 |
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| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
是的﹖ |
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好,另外一個問題也是年輕人非常期待的問題齁我先讓您看一下齁民眾薪資三條線齁這三條線當中呢我們過往啊從106年到112年這邊的統計起來我們每次遇到所謂的通膨問題或高物價問題 |
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﹚廣告﹚ |
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但是相對而言我們實質薪資才成長4%左右也就是一年之間成長不到1%每年增加大概532塊拉長10年的幅度來計算基本工資在調了32%總薪資的平均大概25.9還有中位數的成長大概16.6這我不會認為是勞動部的問題這還有包括國發部其他的人都有相關的問題 |
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這種情況底下我們要看的再讓院長看一張表。 原因在哪裡? |
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原在哪裡?你看GDP的占比當中企業的盈餘大賺,但是員工相對不漲,薪資不漲,有漲,漲的不多,原在哪裡?收估者的報酬占整個GDP的占比,日本占52.6,美國占52.2,南韓占52.1,台灣占43.9,抱歉這一份報告是誰做的?是央行做的不是我做的。 |
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另外一個部分,營業額占GDP的占比,臺灣占多少?34.4。你看日本相對而言,連我們一般都不到13.1。簡單的講,營業的部分,大部分的企業都籠罩在他身上,不願意給勞工。講白一點,臺灣的企業來跟院長,剛剛院長也說,水沒有問題,電沒有問題,土地也沒有問題,什麼每個企業大財團來要的時候都是要這五個。 |
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我想郭部長非常清楚嘛但是呢我要問的是當其他國家的企業對員工比較大方的時候我們的企業我們的財團有比較大方嗎很顯然嘛從這GDP的占比來說是沒有的是沒有的那我是希望說齁那個院長你除了解決企業的舞曲的時候你能不能解決勞工期待的薪資成長的這一缺我想就叫院長 |
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對﹖他有提 |
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主體變高的效果,過去我們的軍工教育有拉抬的效應,但是很不好意思,中間這一群的壽星階級顯然就是沒有提高嘛,顯然在GDP的成果真的沒有下盛嘛。就是委員所說的企業應該把更多的利潤分給員工,對,台灣的企業不夠慷慨,所以我們一直在推普惠大眾的各項政策,我們一直在推普惠大眾的各項政策, |
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回答委員的話,我想現在的企業應該會來照顧這個員工,因為現在已經找不到人 |
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所以你的這個福利越高就越容易招到人?話說是如此,但是登出來的薪資還不是很高。部長,以你的企業界的人脈,我想有一個直接的建議,過往日本企業整個這個金團聯出來的時候,安倍都跟他講說要加薪,現在加薪的幅度超過過去30年。 |
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今年把它列為一個加薪年啊。 |
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因為我們做了很多政策工具的努力,基本工資還有包軍工教,政府可以做得出這些而已嘛,其他的部分就要靠私部門了不是嗎? |
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好,院長,我期待你的表現。另外的部分,謝謝院長的這個直接的回覆。另外一個部分,院長,最近這個揮打熱、AMD熱一堆,這個基本上都是一種銀幣效應。這種銀幣效應就像之前這個3奈米、2奈米,大家搶著台積電去一樣的道理。 |
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但問題是這些去的過程當中我覺得院長很多人都要我們台積電但是我們台積電我必須跟你講我們台灣有通過國家核心關鍵技術清單是比照美國出口管制規則的EAR畫出一個14奈米的紅線但是這個14奈米的紅線國外希望我們去的時候都希望先進製程 |
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可是呢我們現在整個負荷的了的情況底下在水電的這種能源負擔這麼大的情況底下其實嚴格來說我們應該輸出一些成熟製程來建立一個科技外交的可能性一來解決我們的能源上的壓力二來呢可以建立這個整個價值同盟的一個外交關係這一點你應該是贊成的吧 |
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沒有錯我們國科會吳主委也一直強調不僅是先進製程在成熟製程我們也要讓國內的這個力道能夠再加強再怎麼輸出外面的奈米數跟本國的奈米數跟奈米加一嘛本國的奈米數一定是在外面的奈米數的奈米減一嘛最先進的是留在我們這邊嘛對不對 |
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委員的看法跟我們吳主委的看法非常非常的一致。是這樣子,可是我們現在外面風聲的都不是14奈米以上,現在聽到是14奈米以下,包括熊本的三場四場都不是如此,可能要弄好,不是無條件的出書,這要想清楚,更何況因為我的選區來自南科,這個部分請那個國發會那個劉主委, |
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主委把持清楚另外一個部分部長因為時間有限剩下的部分我要請教你的部分 |
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因為我們過往不是爭取非達也好,接著AMD也好,或者台積電2奈米去高雄也好,碰到的問題不是生產的問題,生產緊接著來就生活的問題。過往我們把南科設置在那邊的時候只有生產的考量,並沒有真正生活的考量。以至於交通的改善不足,公路運輸也好,軌道運輸也好,先進運輸也好,沒有一個足夠的。 |
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沒有一個足夠的真的到現在才縫縫補補啊拖山蠟寺啊以前簡直是啊這些整個藍科區科學園區周遭的這區域說拖隊的狀況地方政府才縫縫補補起來我想說用一個插隊的概念我想說拜託一下院長啊 |
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周遭園區通通都是新興發展區,這些新興發展區的人口越來越多,我們要留住這些人才的情況底下,生活周遭的問題要把它解決。一來住宅的問題,二來交通最大的問題,公路運輸要有一個全盤性的思維,把南科作為一個著心,輻射性的思考。 |
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另外還有先進運輸包括現階段最重要的深綠線的一個捷運路線可以連結到現在揮打可能區的沙崙所在地以及南科這個雙核心的做思考來做串聯。三來還有包括 |
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委員長拜託你,你不用插隊的思維來思考這個問題 |
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委員這整套的想法非常具有戰略觀我想如果能夠跟國際的大廠來做這樣詳細的說明你所謂的沙崙台南一定是相當具有吸引力的對還有包括周遭還有很多生活園區啊我們的西北土地比較寬廣嘛還有它裡頭有很多區域都要做一些通盤性的檢討當通盤性的檢討的時候就應該把它視為南科的生活特區嘛 |
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好,拜託院長了,謝謝。謝謝郭委員,謝謝院長。 |
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下一位請翁委員小林質詢。好,有請院長。請卓院長背信。 |
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國務委員好。是,院長好。您辛苦了。不會,應該的。經過今天一整天的總質詢,我基本上原本其實對於您有高度的期待,可是當我看到昨天行政院提出了復議案之後,我心裡面其實滿難過的,覺得我似乎不該對您有太多的期待。希望委員對憲法有期待就好。 |
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是,我對於《憲法》有期待,我對於我們這次的國會改革方案有充足的信心。立法院前天才將三讀通過的條文送到行政院,然後行政院昨天就提出了復印案。我還記得您在上星期回答傅昆奇總召的時候,您說您對於這個法案一無所知,並不了解。可是呢,沒想到您是早就準備好要提出這個復印案了嗎?而且下定決心就是要提復印了嗎? |
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跟委員報告我沒有說我一無所知我說我要接到大院的來文之後因為兩院之間是有政治往來的形式的才能夠一一去比對從您當時的回答裡面會讓我覺得說您好像對於這個法案是一無所知那您才剛上任就提復議您不擔心這項復議案會帶來什麼樣的政治後座力嗎 |
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委員是一個法學的專家應該知道行政院依照憲法賦予的權利跟責任去做的任何的這個行為都不要被解釋為是惡意吧否則憲法就不會這樣設計了是那當然就要看你們的憲法理由了對不對要看你們提出來的復議的理由那我想院長應該很清楚知道行政院在五權分立的憲政體制底下的角色與功能行政院是扮演什麼樣的角色 |
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是行政機關,它是依法行政吧?是,依法行政。那在這次行政院所提出來的憲法徵修條文,依據憲法徵修條文提出的復議,那麼可是這個憲法徵修條文提起復議的前提要件是法律案治案難行。 |
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那這就讓本席感到很奇怪了。我們立法院職權行使法是在規範行政院的職權行使嗎?不是。不是。那可是我們再看看行政院的復議的理由,更讓我感到錯愕。 |
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這個行政院似乎無限膨脹、擴權,企圖對立法院、總統府、監察院的職權進行解釋,指指點點。本心認為這才是真正的毀憲亂政。在這邊好,我想請教一下。我想請教,立法院職權行使法是規範立法委員的行使職權的權利、義務以及程序。請問這跟行政院有什麼關係? |
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各位委員報告,因為行使的過程當中,不僅是部長、官員,人民、法人、部隊都可以進到這裡,發生任何的權力義務關係,只要跟任何一個國人相關的行政院都有責任義務來保護他。 |
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行政院是立法院的上級機關,你們有必要來監督指導立法院的立法程序嗎? |
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行政院不是立法院的上級機關。對,所以呢在你們昨天記者會上面,指指點點說我們的立法程序有瑕疵,我實在是不懂的,現在行政院是怎麼樣,你們已經要變成是大法官了嗎? |
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我不是指指點點,我們是依據事實提出我們的看法。接下來我要再說,行政院是總統府和監察院的代言人嗎?不是。不是。你們會幫總統寫國情報告書嗎?不會。不會。你們是要幫監察院捍衛他們的權利嗎? |
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我們是針對整部法律提出復議,不是單對哪一個特別的條文。 |
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你們針對整部法律提出負責才叫做奇怪。那麼這一次刑法徵定官員說謊罪。我們的立法院職權刑事法徵修處罰官員亂回答反質詢無故缺席、拒絕答覆、拒絕提供資料隱匿資訊、虛偽答覆以及其他藐視國會的行為。這樣的規定會讓行政院感到至愛難行嗎?難道行政院 |
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這個沒有辦法約束你們的行政官員們做不到做不到不說謊不缺席不提供資料不隱匿資訊嗎這些事情你們做不到嗎 |
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報告委員我曾經說過說謊是任何一個政治工作者的人格自殺但是在委員剛剛所提到的這個條文當中充滿很多的法律不確定性跟比例原則是嗎所以呢在你們現在行政訴訟法、刑事訴訟法、民事訴訟法都有類似像這樣的規定公平教育法裡面也有類似這樣的規定這些都違憲是不是 |
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這位委員報告 |
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我現在講的是行政機關處罰請您回去看一看有多少的條文裡面是有這樣的規定這邊我不再跟您爭執因為這是事實的問題這不用爭執這是事實行政院提出這樣的復議事由個人以為本席以為 |
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這不是與立法院進行一個良性、理性的憲政對話而根本就是強詞奪理。 |
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那麼行政院看起來是有意想要挑起政治對抗。你們既不是這部法律的執行者,頂多就是受規範的關係人。到底有什麼好至愛難行?那麼這個是本席看到你們昨天所提出來的富裕的事由,我真的感到是荒謬至極。 |
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好接下來我想請問好接下來我想要請教院長如果這項復議案不通過您會自行請辭嗎?早上我已經說過了依照政修條文第三條第二項第二款的規定 |
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並沒有辭職這個選項。所以你會接受這個決議,是吧?依照憲法,它只有接受。但是接受之後,接受之後我們是不是還有其他的救濟行為,這個值得商榷?是,所以你想要行使抵抗權嗎?這不是抵抗權,這是憲法賦予憲政機關的權利,不是抵抗權。 |
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是很好我希望您不要重蹈覆轍當時應該是在陳水扁時代提出了這個抵抗圈我就讓我覺得實在是莫名其妙他的憲法不曉得讀到哪裡去了基本上就是接受決議該怎麼做就怎麼做就像我講的立法院職權行使法這是規範我們立法院的這個最主要是規範立法院立法委員的行為以及他的這個職權行使那你們只是被規範如果說是 |
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有剛剛我講的那些虛偽陳述不提供資料無故缺席的行為才有可能會受到處罰而且還有救濟途徑請記得還有救濟途徑那麼我現在想講的就是請問院長您才剛上來就已經提了一個復議案未來您還會繼續針對立法院所通過的法案但是民進黨黨團不支持的法案繼續提出復議案嗎 |
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考慮的不是民進黨黨團支不支持,而是這個法案的本身是不是經過正當的程序、合理的討論以及被社會共識所接受。我們要討論實質的內容嗎? |
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我是現在講說你們有這樣打算嗎?還是還沒有開始討論?還沒有看到大院的來文。好,那麼簡單來說本席希望你們未來如果真的還要提起復議的話請要審慎的去思考你們復議的理由,是不是? |
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已經可能會侵犯到立法權而且是不是有這個理由足夠堅強那麼看樣子反正以後復議案就算不通過您也不會辭職您也不會下台那是不是會接受決議依法行政那我還有待觀察那麼但是我必須說如果日後復議案行政院所提的復議案是屢戰屢敗您將會在我國的民主憲政史上留下一個敢作不敢當的惡名 |
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我相信民眾會把民定義成為一個只會玩政治手段、惡搞民主的行政院院長。接下來我要進入到能源正義的問題。關於核電的議題,最近其實大家很多的討論。 |
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當然特別是正好有一位立委和媒體報導,就是大陸最近5月23、24號正好在臺灣周圍進行軍事演習。 那時候就有立委跟媒體爆料說沒有任何一艘天然船在臺灣停靠卸貨。 |
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當然後來中郵是有發布新聞說還是有兩艘天然氣船是有一計劃順利抵達臺灣並且卸貨。可是從這則新聞裡面就讓國人看到了臺灣如果沒有辦法能源自主會帶來什麼樣的危機。 |
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事實上已經有很多的國內外的專家學者和智庫都預測,未來大陸極有可能會對台灣進行法律和軍事演習的封鎖,也就是他們不採取武力的手段。 |
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請問院長您是否同意 |
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很謝謝委員跟我一樣我們很關切您剛剛所說的議題所以我們對中國片面的發動這樣的軍演我們是表示非常的不滿意的所以我們應該站在同一個立場再次指指下我們當然要強化自己的國防力量包括我們的能源政策但我們的能源政策我們在做很多的多元綠能 |
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而且我們逐步的在追趕上來。 這個都是我們在強化自己內部能源能力的一環。 你可能又把我的題目又扯遠了。 我只是在問說是不是認同我們要發展多元能源而且自主能源的這樣的一個方向。 那麼我想請教郭部長,能源自主,最好的能源的選擇是什麼? |
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以未來業者所要用的就是綠能。 |
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所以綠能你認為它是一個最好的能源自主的一個選項。 是。 是。綠能的發電效率以及在您現在這個行政院所規劃的能源比例裡面它只佔兩成。也就是說如果說是假設一個狀況中國持續軍演然後也是週休二日五天在我們旁邊軍演兩天休息它只要維持了42天以上 |
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﹗ |
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本席在這邊還要強調就是說不僅只是從國家安全的角度從經濟發展的角度那麼在對於民意民意其實也是高度支持我們應該要再繼續運用核能核點 |
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2018 年的能源政策公投當中就清楚地顯示全臺灣有高達800萬人是反對火力發電有將近600萬人是支持核能發電的那在最近還有一間就是全球知名的英國民間民調機構 |
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﹚第11屆第17次會議 |
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不僅是這個民調機構對臺灣所做的這個調查,現在其實我們看到其實國外有很多國家他們的核電廠也都在研議,英國、美國、法國、日本等等。那麼也有一些國家已經開始推動所謂SMR,就是小型的核反應器,允許民間企業自主設置。 |
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請問在這樣的一個全世界的核電時代的趨勢下以及看到我們臺灣的高度民意支持的情況之下,行政院難道還是排斥繼續使用核電嗎?請問郭部長 |
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有哪個法請問? |
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我們現在的法就是規定這個核能核子設施的管制法您的意思是這個嗎?就是它裡面這個要不要把法規延長是嗎?所以如果說這個法規延長的話您會同意繼續讓核電廠延誼嗎? |
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我們會要看這個我們目前的這個核電廠是不是符合原意的條件。好我要講就是包含本席在內的幾位委員我們其實都已經提案要修法這個電業法以及核子設施的管制法我們在我們的這個提案的法案裡面我們就不僅將核一、核二、核三廠 |
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請問如果這些法案通過了? |
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經濟部會不會同意讓臺電申請研議?會不會允許讓民間企業自己設置小型的核子反應爐? |
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委員容許我跟委員報告一下,剛剛委員有提過一些民調的數字,我不敢否定這個民調的結果,但是我們如果把核能安全放下去做民調,把核廢料的處理放下去做民調,核廢料要放在哪裡,我相信數字會改變的,所以我們必須要正視這個問題。請問院長,您平常會看一些科學新聞嗎? |
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您了解現在核能科技的發展嗎?我知道小型核電跟核融合但是有一句話然後核能安全核廢料的處理您知道現在已經發展到什麼程度了嗎?為什麼全世界這麼多的國家都不會擔心核廢料的問題而只有民進黨政府是最擔心核廢料的問題委員有一句話我其實真的覺得民進黨政府你們的政治素養很高但是科學素養低落 |
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我有一句話希望委員能夠同意就是未來核能的發展未來核能的發展應該解決不了我們今天所遇到的問題但是未來的問題未來再去解決未來核能的發展到現在還是相當長遠的時間 |
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我強烈建議民進黨政府的官員們都應該要多去 |
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讀一讀或是多去請一些科技專家你們來教一下你們的科技知識。好,那麼簡單來說我想我們幾個委員我們都已經幫行政院現在都鋪好法律之路。未來法律通過我們很希望不要辜負我們的美意。那麼請問部長您之後您會同意臺電申請研議嗎? |
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我們會看這個未來的這個環境是怎麼樣的,如果說我們確定他安全無虞,那麼這個廢核料可以處理,那麼對民眾大家可以接受的情況之下,我們會持續的來進行。好,如果不在的話那沒關係,我希望就是說河安會也要開始啟動,相關的法規是在河安會, |
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﹚發言委員﹚ |
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好 那麼最後本席要提在這個議題上面本席要提醒卓議員長和郭部長你們一個錯誤的決定會影響到臺灣的國安、經濟、民生、健康以及生態環境會造成不可恢復的損害只要有未來只要有任何發生任何全國大停電或者是重大的事故本席一定會強烈對你們苛責好 那接下來還有另外一個議題我們來談談司法正義吧 |
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院長其實您是我的學長不可能那您是法律人出身我相信您應該很知道司法正義的重要性我相信您也認同法律之前人人平等這句話吧是可是很遺憾的在我這次閱讀您所提出來的行政院的施政報告裡面或是聆聽您口頭報告其實我沒有聽到您談司法正義這四個字之字未提 |
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您沒有提是因為您擔心現在的民進黨政府根本做不到嗎?做不到法律之前人人平等,做不到公平正義嗎? |
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跟委員一樣這應該是我們共同的信仰如果我在這本裡面沒有提我一定找一個時間好好重提是當然從這個施政報告裡面也可以看得出來您對這個議題是不是夠關心當我們在談到司法正義的時候一般老百姓的這個直觀的經驗就是有執法權力的司法人員 |
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是不是會公平對待每一個人而不是欺善怕惡遇到權貴就轉彎那否則民眾不會再相信司法那也不會相信司法能夠主持正義維持社會秩序還有捍衛人民的權益 |
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可是很遺憾就是就算是司法院法務部做再多的司法改革司法人員做再多的努力都是枉然因為呢如果說沒有辦法做到法律之前人人平等的話會被認為這些不過就只是做做表面功夫打假球而已是無法取信於人民那麼也別期待人民會對於司法尊重和信賴 |
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所謂一顆老鼠屎換了一鍋粥那目前司法界不知道有多少的老鼠屎但眾所周知最大的老鼠屎的案子而執法機關卻可以視而不見的大概就是受刑人陳水扁保外就醫長達9年的案子 |
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一般民眾其實根本不了解為什麼一個可以在外面活蹦亂跳生龍活虎參加各種活動的而且享受充分高度自由富裕生活的受刑人可以不用回獄中受刑回獄中服刑到目前為止法務部還放任這樣的受刑人消遊法外那我跟委員說明 |
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臺中監獄參著高雄長庚醫院的醫主希望能夠讓陳水扁前總統增加出遊、訪友、餐敘等等的職能治療活動。那在總控的範圍內﹖好,謝謝院長,這些我都了解,因為我之前都有去調過相關的,透過書面質詢也問過之前的訪問部長, |
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那麼法務部其實就像剛剛院長講的說了一大堆不是理由的理由你們敢公佈陳水扁的醫療成員就醫報告、訪視報告嗎?你們窮盡一切的說法和方法去合理化陳水扁在監獄外的行為坦白說這就是司法最大的污點 |
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那麼這種遇到阿典就轉彎的司法正義已經成為全世界最大的笑話人民根本不會相信在民進黨執政之下還會有司法正義從剛剛我跟院長的對談當中我就曉得 |
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沒有把陳水扁當成是一個受刑人來看待你是把他當成一個前總統所以你們還會說是這個他的這個診療報告還要考慮到他的身心平衡他要去出遊去訪視去餐廳吃飯這是遵照醫主對這是醫主很好那請問院長如果說你們這麼尊重民間醫療機構的判斷那不如以後就把保外就醫的權利 |
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就交給民間醫院去執行不是更好嗎那你們也不用監督查核花這麼多人力還要去做訪視找證書也可以不用負責任啊那未來受刑人很容易啊他只要買通了醫院然後呢寫了一個假的報告就可以逍遙法外永遠都不用回去坐牢 |
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這樣的做法是對的嗎?我們相信專業醫生的醫主而不是隨便買一個報告相信專業醫生他可能也在做假嗎?他是真的專業嗎?這麼多年來他延長了38次長達9年的保外就醫有哪一個保外就醫的受刑人是像陳水扁有這樣的一個廚藥? |
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我必須說我剛跟這個院長對話我就很肯定我會覺得你會繼續包容縱容受刑人陳水扁在外面這個逍遙防範這不是個人包不包容縱容的問題是遵照醫主做的行為但是法務部還要做到很多的安全的管控所以你們有去查核這個 |
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你們可以公開那個報告書嗎? |
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可以讓國人一起來檢驗檢視嗎?總之陳水扁的案子會是民眾檢驗政府是否有決心有能力捍衛司法正義的一個指標性的案件司法正義跟尊嚴已經在蔡政府執政底下玩完了 |
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接下來就看賴政府的表現了。希望不要讓人民使用的好文化能夠司法正義能夠重新起死回生。接下來我再要談的就是兩岸議題。其實我想這段時間大家都非常關心有關於兩岸的這個問題。那麼兩岸政策應該是接下來賴政府他所要面對一個非常重要的一個政策。他不僅僅只是跟國家安全有關,跟經濟各方面都息息相關。 |
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院長在之前的記者會上也有說兩岸關係不應該日趨緊張兩岸關係是應該要互相堆疊善意而且要對等可是您最近好像又不肯鬆綁臺灣旅行業者組團到大陸去的態度讓我也是很懷疑說你們說要對大陸釋出善意是假訊息嗎?我們已經恢復了團課已經確定了嗎? |
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我先要講一下就是說你們說要釋出善意,你們到底有提出哪些善意方案? |
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但是坦白說因為我們現在看到到底現在台灣對大陸還有有釋出哪些這個善意 |
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關委員 |
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其實目前為止中國大陸並沒有申請平潭任何比如說他的海線船到台灣都沒有了所以你們是開放的只是沒有他們沒有申請所以一旦他們申請了你們就會恢復客貨運通航嗎?如果定期航班還不行的話我們看看他們是不是有實際申請這個包船我們會來考慮 |
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我們到目前為止對於大陸進口的項目我們有2000多種是限制的,限制他們不能夠進口到台灣來。 |
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那相對於就是道路他們那邊是蠻歡迎沒有對我們的這個商品有太多的限制,這是一個對等嗎? |
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有啊,他們現在也違反WTO的精神。 是啊,他們才限制的,他們才不讓利了100多項。 |
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報告委員我願意堆疊善意但是我很不願意看到他們無辜的軍演、間接到台 |
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在WHA上面來對我們的主導,這個都是互相要堆疊的。好,我要講,還有對陸生的歧視,這是本席感到最遺憾的地方。我從大學來我看到其實兩岸的這個交流,其實青年學者的交流,其實對於促進兩岸的相互的理解和平有非常大的注意。可是看看我們現在這個台灣政府我們是怎麼樣對待陸生的。 |
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最近也納入健保,之前還有很多措施,陸委會可以報告。可是坦白說還不夠,我知道,但你們確實是有些進步了,但是坦白說還不夠,我們可以做到就將大陸學生的權益直接比照外籍生嗎?讓他們也可以領獎學金,讓他們也可以攻讀嗎?請問可以做得到嗎? |
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為什麼不可以領中央政府的錢?為什麼我清華大學的指導學生不能夠領我吳小林教授的研究計畫,當研究計畫助理?他為什麼不能當我研究計畫的助理?不能領研究計畫的費用? |
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總之,還有非常多的限制,包含兩岸的學術交流,教育部也是規定得非常的嚴格。 |
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委員我們也做了很多權益的保障這些保障都不應該被忽視 |
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我們也希望得到很多的善意。 |
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好,謝謝洪委員,也謝謝卓院長。下一位,我們請洪委員深汗質詢。 |
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謝謝主席那請卓院長請卓院長備詢黃委員好卓院長好我想還是先恭喜你容認當然也謝謝你的承擔那今天其實我針對幾個議題想要來跟卓院長這邊來做一些討論跟請教其實我們都看到這陣子其實有很多警消的同仁 |
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那院長我想先請你看下一張投影片 |
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這個是我們大法官釋字785號那其實內容當然就是希望保障公職人員的健康權那其中有一個很重要的一段是針對這個輪班輪休的人員那如果他沒有設定任何關於其所屬公務員這個服勤時數的合理上限的話這其實是不符合憲法這個服公職權跟健康權的保護的要求這其實是大法官釋字785號裡面的內容 |
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那所以我今天其實在這個總之學院一開始想跟院長討論我們這很多的公職的人員在輪班輪休制度下面的加班的權益當然我今天可能先不那麼先來討論所謂要怎麼降低加班時數這件事情但我想先讓院長知道一下我們現在有很多尤其是警消醫護他們來跟我澄清的這個狀況院長你是否同意 |
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加班多少時間,就該記錄多少時間,就該拿到相應的報酬跟補修,院長同不同意?這應該是一個很正常的狀況。很正常,很基本的想法嘛,對不對?可是現在確實在我們的公職的體系裡面,尤其是警校醫護,其實離這個狀況還有一段距離喔。我先跟院長 |
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讓院長瞭解現在一些實際的狀況現在還有很多警消醫護跟我們說他們常常他加班了假如一個小時有50分鐘在我們目前的猜情的系統裡面他只會被記錄加班一個小時有50分鐘不見了為什麼50分鐘不見了因為這50分鐘不滿一個小時所以你不管是加班30分鐘40分鐘50分鐘甚至到55分鐘在猜情系統裡面 |
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這些時數都會消失不見都會被吃掉如果講一個更白的話其實是會被吃掉的狀況這是現在警消醫護在跟我們反映的這個狀況那針對這個問題其實很明顯其實恐怕就違背了剛剛我們說到其實你加班多少時數就應該如實的記錄多少時數剛剛我們這個想法跟原則 |
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好再往下其實針對這個問題之前行政院其實有提出了一些解方跟答案這部分要謝謝行政院行政院人事行政總署在2023年的8月29號的時候他一份公文裡面很清楚寫到有關加班未滿一小時或超過一小時之餘數可以得合併計算所以他們其實提出了一個輪班輪休人員加班 |
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合併計算的這樣子的事辦的方案也就是盡量的要去補上我們剛才之前講的這個漏洞我如果用更簡單的話我今天可能加班50分鐘一個小時50分鐘後天我可能多加班了30分鐘這個50分鐘跟30分鐘其實就可以合併的來去做計算不會各自把這個餘數就直接切掉就讓它消失不見 |
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但現在為什麼今天要在這個總質詢的時候來跟院長報告因為這確實牽涉到很多跨部會的問題我們現在看到按照我們來跟人總跟教育部衛福部來要求的這個相關的資料我們做了一個計算大概還有81個警消醫護的機關目前加班還是沒有如實計數還是沒有加入剛剛行政院推出的這個加班 |
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可以合併並記的這個系統還是沒有我現在列出來我剛剛在上一張列出來的這個內容其實還沒有辦法把八十幾個機關全部都寫上去因為真的太多了裡面包括警察局消防局包括醫院包括療養院這都是公立的都還是這個狀況所以院長你覺得這個狀況是不是應該要有所改變 |
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如果還有一些機關沒有辦法成如剛剛委員所呈現的人種所需要的一個內容,那我會覺得很遺憾。我會請所有的部會首長就你所屬去深入的了解,有這樣的現狀,我們必須立刻依照剛剛人種所呈現的那個文字、那個內容、那個規定,予以改善。 |
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報告委員我想我補充一下就是說在論壇輪休我們從上一年8月29開始就是開放論壇輪休的他可以以分鐘計算加班可是他有一個我們有兩個原則第一個是採自驗資因為我們發現一個很大的問題就是說警消很多警消單位他現在的加班都用舖子在記 |
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市長我們現在看到按照現在人總提供的資料裡面剛剛在警消醫護裡面這些差勤系統居然還有52個他還是靠紙本在記錄 |
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我說實話,我們現在是2024年, 越南剛才說到,我們去了computex,我們現在談了AI, 我們談到現在包括行動要創新等等等, 我們居然我們的公務體系裡面, |
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還有這麼多是用紙本在記錄大家的出缺勤的狀況加班的狀況現在甚至這個紙本的記錄變成是這些公務機關他不願意或者是他拒絕他沒有進入到剛剛說的加班餘宿並記的狀況我覺得這是先要做改革的事情而且我也覺得這是一個最基本的事情院長同意嗎 |
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我請部長能夠了解這個事實做適度的改善我們來了解狀況以後要做改善這一份是人總提供給我們的還有52個就像剛剛我完全同意剛剛人事長說的這是前提可是這個前提我覺得是最基本的 |
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我們在現在的一個資訊化的資訊的時代裡面這件事情坦白說我覺得是最優先改善的就算我們不談加班餘宿病記的問題也早該幫我們的基層人員來改善這個問題改善了以後當然我們就可以來實施剛剛說的加班餘宿的病記問題就不會有再把我們的警消醫護輪班輪休人員的加班時數給吃掉我跟你講報告我們去計算一下 |
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可能一個小夜班的護士在一個月的時間裡面他可能會有將近10個小時的加班時數因為這個原因消失大家可以算一下這其實對於我們這些精神人員的收入來說會是一個多大的損失你也許不是給他加班費也許要他補休但總之今天當你沒有辦法如實記錄的時候這就是權益明明白白的消失所以院長我有兩個想要懇請院長的地方 |
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第一個是希望能夠來推動全體的警消醫護這個加班餘數的併計加班時數就該如實的記錄拿來符合大法官釋憲785號完成猜情系統的資訊化這是第一個第二個將加班費補修增補人力的人事成本也希望可以做一個估算以後納入114年的年度的總預算因為這當然人事成本是需要支付的這部分也希望我們一併的把它納入院長這兩件事情 |
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可以嗎?謝謝委員,我們會來檢討改善。 |
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院長這部分希望行政院可以來全力推動這也是為什麼今天在這邊談的原因因為這不是只是牽涉到一個部會包括衛福部包括教育部甚至包括內政部都在這裡面所以很需要院長的大力的來去推動甚至來去鼓勵這是今天跟院長談的第一件事情第二件事情院長你是否同意現在其實因應氣候變遷的能力已經成為一國經濟力非常非常關鍵的指標院長是否同意 |
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是,下一張齁 |
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我們當然在過去幾年我們其實推出了很多相關的氣候政策包括我們也修了我們氣候變遷因應法但是確實我們現在收集外界對我們氣候政策的看法他確實還是存在著焦慮第一個比方說看到我們其實一些簡單的政策看到明確的棍子但胡蘿蔔好像相對沒這麼明確第二個其實大家也知道我們過去8年的時間我們透過前瞻基礎院的特別預算做了很多重要的投資 |
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但我們也知道接下來幾年恐怕特別預算不會像過去這麼充裕所以大家也在問那更多的資金活水的投入的動能可能在哪裡第三個其實現在國際上面開始在討論一個議題也關於所謂的綠色通膨也就是當我們在因應氣候變遷之後可能會用到多一點的某些比方說再生能源會用到一些金屬或用一些其他的原料可能會讓原料的上漲或是因為高效率的設備它的單價會比較高 |
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﹚議員 |
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有沒有可能我們可以參考其實像美國在2020年的時候他們其實就提出了相對應的這個法案這個法案它叫降低通膨法案其實看起來好像是處理通膨但它實際上面它是美國有史以來最大的氣候跟能源支出的法案它其實是一個財稅工具下面一張我大概跟院長簡述一下這個法案的內容 |
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一、引導擴大投資氣候跟能源。 也包括這裡面其實帶有一些稅制改革的部分在裡面。 很重要的部分是他其實是要提高綠色就業跟公正轉型。 再來一點他其實也在壯大本土的供應鏈因為現在各國都遇到 |
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我自己覺得這個法案就美國的經驗來說對應台灣現在我們的整體的氣候政策跟我們現在法規的系統 |
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好像是蠻有值得參考的地方,院長你覺得?謝謝這個王委員在氣候變遷相關的法案當中的努力我們都看見了。那持續這個問題我想這個部長非常的了解。好,我們請部長來做說明。好,報告委員這個其實我們已經正在研議當中,包含了美國還有日本還有歐洲。那委員你說的也非常的清楚,我們的確 |
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在工具上現在還不夠也謝謝委員這次的質詢那我們呢環境部呢也會成立一個綠色戰略辦公室來專門來研議這個議題但是這個也是跨部會的我們跟國發會其實也有一些互動未來也會來積極來了解這個事當然這是跨部會的議題這也是為什麼今天想要在總質詢來跟行政院來提出來的一個原因下一張齁其實我們看到現在美國的這個IRA的成效 |
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重點是成效好不好,我們現在看到確實它帶動了私人投資的金額非常非常高,甚至現在已經超過千億的美元,而且它看起來是用了一些稅負優惠的方式,可是就總體來看,它增加的稅收其實已經大於所支出或減免的補助了,所以在財政上面看起來也是有好處的。 |
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﹚發言委員﹚ |
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| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
來研議或評估符合臺灣情境的降低通膨法案。我的意思是說當然美國的情境跟臺灣的情境還是有所不同尤其是像稅率或者是像我們在產業裡面的角色也是有所不同 |
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所以符合臺灣情境的一個IRA就降低通膨法案也許我們可以用賦稅的手段也許可以用利息的手段或者是其他誘因的手段來把我上面列的這幾個目標有沒有可能給放進去第一個強化氣候的目標第二個也可以擴大經營投資來提高產業的競爭力尤其是當我們現在在 |
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政府的資金運用可能會比過去8年來的拮据一點的時候,來帶動民間資金跟民間的活水來投入。再來也可以降低消費的通膨,尤其是在因應氣候變遷下的消費的通膨。那降低紅色供應鏈的威脅,擴大綠色就業公正轉型。其實在美國法案的經驗裡面,我們看到他把這些目標給放進去。 |
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好像做出了不錯的成果當然大家情境是有不同大家處境是有不同這一定要考慮所以我說符合臺灣跟情境需求的我覺得好像是是時候來去做一些研議跟評估但這部分我們很希望院長可以來支持這幾個部會包括財經部會包括環境部一起來討論這件事情這甚至也跟財政部會有關係所以院長這個部分應該是可以來做 |
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韓國瑜的演繹吧。 |
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還有來我的辦公室對他不僅僅是分享了美國的案例包括澳洲、紐西蘭的案例效果都非常好所以我們下個禮拜在環境部會議針對這個IRA我們做進一步的討論然後我們希望盡快的讓他在台灣實現 |
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你說的那位專家他是來自澳洲但他協助美國的IA的法案他有來到我辦公室他有表達非常非常願意對台灣相關的法案來提出協助所以我覺得如果我們有意願至少至少現在來評估跟研議我覺得一些國際上面的支持或國際上面的專業上面的資源應該我們也是有可以取得的機會跟空間的但重點是希望這個部分是由行政院或者是我們相關的部會其實很清楚 |
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好,謝謝黃委員,謝謝卓院長。 |
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報告院會本日排定質詢的委員均與質詢完畢。謝謝左院長、政府院長及各部會首長列席答詢。6月11日星期二上午9時繼續開會,進行質詢,現在休息。 |