| IVOD_ID |
159920 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159920 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-09T09:22:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-09T09:36:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/984603a5a250cdced5959d699e735b2779a8b3a3b5782fdd5ddd900faaa498bee3cda55e1e93cba55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:22:46 - 09:36:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、數位發展部部長、教育部部長、大陸委員會主任委員、內政部移民署署長、國家安全局局長及國家人權委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「言論自由不在？界線誰說了算！國家介入特定政治言論之法律邊界」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請法務部部長部長早部長早這些詐騙洗錢的重犯一個一個跑 整個社會都很憤怒特別是有特別的政治關係顏色對的金融重犯 |
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之前跑了一個諸葛隆,後來跑了一個中文智,整個社會群情嘩然上一次我在這邊質詢部長的時候是問中文智所牽涉到的另外一件詐欺洗錢的案子新北地檢是不是還在睡,到底有沒有在辦結果沒想到在我們質詢的同時,他另外一個三省定院的案子竟然跑了 |
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跑了以後這個風波啊非常非常的大因為我後來問司法院司法院讓他增加保證金取代科技設備監控為什麼找不到裁定結果搞了半天司法院當初的高等法院 |
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根本沒有做裁定這件事情越來越嚴重跟司法院有關係的責任我明天追因為今天來的是行政廳的廳長副秘書長沒有來問行政廳的廳長對他不公平司法院的責任我明天一定追但我接下來要請教一下法務部這個是我問法務部說 |
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針對解除電子監控這件事情我們的檢察官具體作為是什麼法務部說 |
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在113年10月9號開庭的時候有表示 建請法院對被告實施電子監控也就是我們的檢察官當庭有表示反對 這個是客觀的事實我向來說話 有一說一那但是呢 增加保證經濟不延長電子監控的部分啊 |
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高檢署沒有接獲高等法院送達相關裁定的紀錄這句話也是對的因為等到今年四月才補作裁定嘛那等到今年四月才補作裁定怎麼可能會啊 接獲通知但下面有一些具體的問題啊來 先請教一下部長 |
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為了甩鍋高院為了甩鍋說我們那個時候做裁定以前有打電話去問檢察官問檢察官有沒有意見結果檢察官都說沒有意見前面甩鍋不成現在繼續試圖甩鍋部長有沒有去了解法官說他們有打電話去問問檢察官有沒有意見檢察官表示沒有意見這句話這個是真的還假的 |
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跟委員報告,那這部分太高前有先要分那個調製案再了解那這個還要了解多久?這個我們會盡快來...拖多久啦?群情畫欄啦!當初誰接的電話,找來問一問不就知道了?這個需要這麼久?這事情發生到現在 |
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然後部長您跟大家講的是高檢署現在成立調治案在調查要調查多久在調查半年調查一年調查到整個社會忘記這件事是嗎需要多久需要多久我們盡快盡快盡快是多久半年一年還是一個月給大家一個時間嘛全部都在講形容詞 |
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現在高檢是在調捐贈嗎是所以需要多久這個還要再問訪詢那個沒關係你會後問高檢需要多久書面回覆給我可以嗎可以這是很嚴重喔為什麼很嚴重我進一步請教部長因為後來發現啊高等法院竟然抽換 |
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電話查詢記錄表結果高院發聲明啦說沒有沒有我們是要按照後來比較正確的記憶再重新補作一份如果到時候查出來當初根本就沒有 |
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當初根本就沒有說他們對電子監控的部分沒有意見那高院做這樣子的電話紀錄表這個是不是有公文書登載不實的問題來 請教部長各位報告 這部分是民眾有來告發了那現在北檢在分攤在正辦局快點辦啦 是大家看不下去了啦這個我們會盡快辦出來我們的高等法院跟高等檢察署誰說謊 |
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有沒有公文書記載不死我老實跟部長報告啦不管是高院還是高檢署對台灣的司法公信力殺傷力都非常大啦兩個互踢皮球踢到最後一定要有人負責更離譜的事情是什麼更離譜的事情是說哇 發現事情大條囉趕快連電話紀錄都可以抽換喔 |
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我們在辦案的時候啊 之前做過的紀錄啊可以用抽換的方式嗎 來請部長部長 您當過檢察官很有經驗啊您要不然就更正嘛 您更正才有紀錄怎麼會用抽換的呢部長您以前在當檢察官的時候有抽換過這種紀錄嗎我沒有碰過這種的情形對喔 我現在就問你嘛 作為法務部的大家長應該做這種抽換的事情嗎 |
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可以這樣做嗎還是因為司法院的代表坐在下面你面露尷尬不敢回答 |
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可以這樣做嗎這個是一個法律清楚的基準嘛就不應該這樣做嘛沒關係喔你說方案調查了我們繼續看下去但問題是啊高檢署回答問題啊其實也不是全部都真的為什麼他絕對不是今年4月才知道為什麼不是去年4月才知道去年12月16號在有關於限制出境出海 |
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延長初季的裁定理由當中就已經寫了啊就已經寫了啊考驗的裁定裡面就跟你們講啊欸那個電子監控我已經解除了欸所以檢察官至少去年12月就知道了請問檢察官有什麼具體作為 |
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這部分因為這個是12月16號的延長的裁定的確是有收到但是這裡面是已經他裡面是有序名裡面是說他已經解決所以我才說檢察官一定知道嘛那這部分因為我們這部分沒有申請因為這屬於那個審理中的一個電子監控的一個當然啦是因為審理中所以檢察官才有立場表達意見嘛我一般的市井小民看的再火大表達意見都沒有用嘛 |
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司法院法院就講一個啊尊重審判獨立啊尊重法官啊而且他這個跟委員報告齁這個裁定是針對延長限制出境的並不是針對科控的這我知道我剛已經講過了嘛現在我要建立的事情只有檢察官早就知道了這件事最起碼12月就知道我現在的問題是知道了以後做了什麼事知道了以後一看雙手一攤很無奈因為沒有申請權嘛 |
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對嘛大家現在在問的就這個事嘛如果檢察官也覺得不應該檢察官也覺得很憤怒怎麼最晚到12月知道的時候什麼行動都沒有採取大家在問的是這個事情啊我想我問題講得很明確啦沒有什麼太難理解的問題啊 |
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因為最主要還是因為這不是一個科控的一個裁定所以我們也沒辦法表示意見沒有辦法表示意見 真的你確定這個沒辦法做一個法律上的一個不是啦 部長你以部長的高度講這個話全國的檢察官聽了會嚇一跳然後大家馬上鬆一口氣哇 原來這樣子部長都說我們檢察官沒有表達意見那以後通通都不要表達意見是這樣嗎對嘛 可以促請他有促請他嗎有嗎 |
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大家都沒藥沒錢跟部長講得很好檢察官可以促請他問題是大家在問啊沒有啊不僅沒促請他來我們再往下看後來蔥文智啊到1月還跑去香港去了三天啊我看了這個裁定理由我看的是目瞪口呆啊他說為了要協助我國企業達成碳中和的目標 |
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然後達成產業發展淨零排放的平衡所以他獲得了香港大灣區碳中和新區區市峰會然後特別找我們的金融重犯找我們的詐欺洗錢犯跑到香港這個碳中和的峰會來擔任主講人當初讓他去香港這件事情檢察官有沒有表示意見 |
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因為這個不是針對那個科控的對我知道啊但是現在大家都在講啊他的逃亡路徑啊大家有沒有發現跟祝國樓很像都先去香港先去香港幹嘛去辦護照這個法官是沒有裁定這件事沒有裁定的部長你看一下好不好白紙黑字把高等法院的裁定都寫出來了這個證是沒有開庭的所以跟那個10月9號醫生10月9號所以檢察官有沒有表示意見 |
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他是有做一個電話的一個記錄本案承辦檢察官表示沒有意見你有沒有看到裁定理由上面都有寫的本案檢察官表示沒有意見但是這個裁定因為他那時候裁定還沒有 |
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沒有裁定理由就寫了嘛部長大家希望你展現的是一個破例啊不是在上面護航連基本的客觀事實都不對太難看了啦這個是跟委員報告這個我們這個還要再去做電話記錄我們還要再做一個查證我已經跟你講這是寫在高等法院的裁定理由針對允許他去香港這件事跟電子監控是兩碼子事啊 |
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部長您聽我指詢要專心一點現在我們已經移到第三個問題了你腦袋還停留在第一個問題現在我的問題是准許他去香港這件事情路徑跟出國龍一模一樣 |
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先去香港把逃亡的路線護照都辦一辦 再回來更好笑的是什麼更好笑的是我在想說香港哪一個天才團體會找台灣的詐欺洗錢犯去參加這個碳中和的高峰會議還擔任主講人 |
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我追中文字的案子追那麼久我都不知道中文字對碳中和這麼有研究結果來看一下大灣區碳中和協會這個是在幫中國搞一帶一路的在幫中國搞一帶一路的有沒有開會 有開會有沒有演講嘉賓 有演講嘉賓結果我整個網站看完了以後我看不到中文字三個字我看不到 |
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他不是說他去出席那邊聽取會議喔 採地理由來我再給部長看一次 擔任主講人 擔任speaker很厲害啊 讓世界看到台灣啊 到香港去啊讓幫中國搞一帶一路啊 看到台灣啊結果 完全沒有看到 那主講人的名單根本沒他 |
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整個活動網頁裡面我試圖找出中文字三個字所有的主角列出來就是什麼就是沒有中文字今天司法院的代表有坐在這邊可能回去轉告副秘書長這題我明天問當初法官是閉著眼睛在做裁定嗎當初法官是閉著眼睛在做裁定嗎現在這件事情臭不可聞來最後我要呼應民進黨立委郭國文講的 |
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所有跟中文字有關勾結的啊 徹查金流 部長贊不贊成這部分北檢已經立案再偵辦了 我想會全面來講立案再偵辦是立案再偵辦嘛現在大家齁 北檢立案再偵辦的案子太多了啦太多了啦 但是一堆案子都放在那邊睡啦 |
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有特殊關係的案子就不會動啦我講話我負責啊下次質詢部長啊如果有興趣我一件一件點給你聽啊什麼叫做有特殊關係的辦了好幾年放在那邊還是睡啊現在是全面徹查喔不是只查特定的人喔全面徹查部長你就有一個部長的樣子展現一個態度啊說這個事情太可惡了法務部支持全面徹查會反映這個意見給台北地檢署部長可不可以這部分我想會總告給台北地檢署 |
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那是我的意見啦我相信台北地檢署有聽到了現在我要的是你的立場全面測查 贊不贊成我們當然有證據到來我們就辦到哪裡部長社會已經大家已經看不下去了大家已經看不下去了我現在接下來等著看全面測查是查真的還是查假的不要等到半年以後我們在這個地方再問一次 |
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你的問題還是 你的答案還是一樣檢察官依照證據有證據到哪裡就辦到哪裡 持續偵辦當中什麼時候會辦出來不知道會慢慢辦 繼續辦大家等著看好 謝謝好 謝謝 |