| IVOD_ID |
159910 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159910 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-23,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-07T12:20:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-07T12:30:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c41b1a0504d137e5d98a0b511598b74fdaa51b2df98f8e7f76318e8f2386bd982f3f07a615f4351a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
何欣純 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:20:09 - 12:30:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查一、委員蔡其昌等17人、二、委員林宜瑾等27人、三、委員楊瓊瓔等21人及四、委員徐富癸等17人分別擬具「國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司設置條例第十條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
【以上各案詢答完畢後，進行處理】） |
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謝謝代理召委謝謝我們許智傑召委我們是不是請五次還有鐵道局楊局長 |
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第一個要關心台中所以楊局長一定知道我要問什麼台中鐵路高架化的最後一里路就是台鐵的大清到烏日段我們上個會期也有到現場去考察過請問一下現在進度如何?次長知道嗎?還是局長回答? |
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因為市政府有把這個修正的報告送上來那因為對於這個經費分攤的方式市政府始終有一些堅持希望能夠做所謂的專案協商那現在我們相關的審議機關是認為說就只有一個版本來報行政院所以我們還在跟市政府在做溝通當中 |
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局長 我希望盡快 這個溝通要有效率至於台中市政府 地方政府有他自己的意見 我們也尊重如果迫不得已 必須要多案併成 我也建議 次長 |
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這個多案併成也是一個方式讓行政院來做政策決定因為我必須要說這個為什麼之所以重要台中鐵路高架化最後的這一段沒有高架化它阻礙了地方的發展第二個我也必須再提醒高鐵周遭的一個交通問題是未來未來 |
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可能會是最擁捨也是我們中央地方要共同去面對的一個問題那我為什麼一直希望這個可以趕快加速的核定是因為高鐵特區未來那個shopping mall在成立了之後他現在已經在塞車兩年後shopping mall最大的這個亞洲最大的shopping mall成立之後開幕之後一定會更加的讓我們的整個交通癱瘓 |
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那如果在台中的這個大慶到烏日這一段的高架化可以趕快的核定趕快的來動工那會有助於高鐵周遭的一個交通的一個瓶頸可以有其他的替代方案跟分流的路段這個很重要所以你現在不做你越慢核定那 |
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越會影響到未來高鐵周遭的一個交通的問題所以市長局長剛剛是說台中市政府有送上來那我們現在又退回去請他們再研議啦那我也希望 |
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盡速的是不是呢我們主動的去push台中市政府趕快再修正把方案送上來那如果我們需要行政院委會去拜託左院長我們希望盡速的來做相關的決定好不好好這部分我們來努力啊那確實委員看到問題點剛聽到夏冰某確實是過去委員一直在關心這一塊真的是沒有錯等他開幕以後那邊可能是交通上會有很大壓力對啊現在要趕快想是 |
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對策啊因為你現在不想的話未來兩年我 我說的這個高加化我上次問過局長如果一旦拍板定案核定這個新工的 對不起新建的時間要差不多要七八年欸如果說我們現在呢沒有辦法去想到這個兩年後可能會碰到的大塞車這個又不定案又一直拖拖拖拖我相信啦齁這個整個對民眾的生活還有那附近的交通的一個擁捨程度 |
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我必須要提醒這個是中央地方大家一起要去努力面對跟解決的好不好拜託第二件事情同樣的也是要解決台中的交通楊局長上次有去參與考察就是台中捷運的藍線跟橘線會在台中現在的車站那邊會有一個交會的一個點那時候我們有考察的那一個 |
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有建議一個新的方案就是希望能夠在這個轉弦的部分可以做一個好的一個討論跟方向那時候我記得楊局長也有提到還有當時候的部長有提到我們有成立一個台中市政府台鐵跟鐵道局三方的一個橫向的一個溝通小組那現在這個溝通的進度如何針對這個案子局長 |
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跟委員報告這個我們在去年11月就邀了台中市政府交通局跟台鐵公司一起來討論那因為這個局限的部分呢原來是在比較上面O16那現在的方案應該就是會在靠近火車站跟南線的位置增加一個車站 |
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就增加一站嘛對不對讓這個橘線跟藍線呢它的這個轉乘的這個距離能夠縮短嘛這樣才能夠方便這個轉乘的這些乘客不管是交通的便利性或舒適性或者是我們未來有一些國際觀光客要來台中台中一定要建立一個友善的一個交通環境嘛那國外觀光客才會來嘛對不對所以現在有確定了嗎 |
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現在這個施政部已經把它修正在報告裡面但是報告裡面是一個構想的概念就是他認為說細部的部分要等到中規才能夠做後續的處理可是原則上就是在他現在的規劃裡面已經有納進去我們當時候考察的建議了嘛對不對好那未來我希望能夠盡速的這個來做決定然後這個橫向的一個聯繫小組的會議也要持續的來進行最重要的是也要讓 |
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台鐵知道為什麼呢因為呢如果我們要新設一站的話那可能要運用到的跟台鐵的車站周遭的整體開發是有關係的對不對 |
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這個我跟委員報告,這個上次委員提過這樣的問題這部分我已經台鐵公司在我們今年的二月一月還是二月的時候我們有招商那情況非常的好就很熱烈我們也特別講說這邊未來可能就是隧道會經過 |
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但是那確確的位置還沒有還沒有定案因為他現在只是一個構想慢慢的會越來越明朗化我們未來會把這個放到我們的照片文件去跟城商講說會有這樣一個情況因為剛剛講這邊是增設一個其實對台鐵的開發我覺得是 |
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是好的是有助力的是的是有利的是好的那對整體的周遭的不管是交通環境也好或者是友善環境也好或者是工商服務業的發展也好經濟的地方經濟的發展也好都是好事那對台鐵來講更是好事 |
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對台鐵的台中車站的營運更是一大利多所以我建議一定要密切的地方政府台鐵跟鐵道局我們中央一定要密切的溝通合作好不好最後會議照委員的要求我們朝這方向來走好拜託是 |
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拜託拜託最後今天我們在談的是文資我只有一個建議因為我們到目前為止看到台鐵的文資的建物的活化你們呢是給各個管理單位那我建議我們總公司這邊我們在上位應該針對台鐵的文資建物這些文資空間有一個整體的盤點跟思考方向 |
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而且要納入專業的團隊進來就是專業的不管是在地的文史工作者也好或者是專業的文資的團隊也好或是文資的學者專家也好必須在我們台鐵的總公司裡面要有這樣子的一個專業的智囊團針對我們99處或者是越來越多的文資空間跟建築物的活化利用要有一個整體的策略思考跟方向 |
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才不會現在是各個管理單位各行其事啊各行其事有的是委外有的是招標有的是怎樣那我覺得這個會讓我們地方也會擔心譬如說像豐原豐原我們上次去考察我們竟然在豐原車站的一個文資空間裡面現在被當作停車場使用 |
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我覺得這是一個對我們來講是很不可思議的一件事情但是我可以理解我們這個管理單位是為了要活化所以他就只能想出這個活化的方式為什麼他沒有人幫他想其他的方式啊那在我們總公司這邊 |
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總經理應該要納入相關的這樣子的一個專業的文資的學者專家也好或者是怎麼樣的一個團隊這個當然由你們自己去決定但是整體的一個考量跟整體的策略方向總公司這邊必須要有專業的人來幫助各個管理單位嘛好不好這是我的建議啦市長你覺得 |
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可以嗎我覺得很合理而且應該這樣做才對應該要這樣子做那你覺得需要多久的時間去把這個整個機制建立起來我現在跟委員報告他現在其實台鐵現在目前也有成立所謂的文字科文字科的部分當然他跟那個自然開發處兩個會去做結合那至於剛剛講的裡面可能也許現在的人力我覺得稍嫌不足這個人力啦我們再去 對 |
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人力不足還有加上對於文資的概念跟運用活化的一個專業度還不夠是我們盡量引進一個外界的那樣的比較有創意的進來這個我想我們會努力來做那你總共是有一個整體的一個策略方向給各個管理單位作為參考或是指引嘛不要讓他們現在個性歧視我再講一次我們的文資空間竟然活化成停車場這個我實在是大家都覺得 |
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希望啦在他約到了之後我們可以用重新的思考方式來做文資的火化利用好不好好謝謝好謝謝委員 |