| IVOD_ID |
159909 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159909 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-23,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-07T12:10:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-07T12:19:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c41b1a0504d137e5506bc80ff7849330daa51b2df98f8e7f76318e8f2386bd98e25638440f1b511c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許智傑 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:10:58 - 12:19:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查一、委員蔡其昌等17人、二、委員林宜瑾等27人、三、委員楊瓊瓔等21人及四、委員徐富癸等17人分別擬具「國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司設置條例第十條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
【以上各案詢答完畢後，進行處理】） |
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謝謝主席 我們請次長跟馮總有請次長 董事長董事長好 |
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這個杜董事長突然辭職我們也覺得有一點意外啦但是很多事情我想馮總經理應該還是一直都在嘛所以應該要多了解而且就是次長現在站待 |
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其實台鐵真的我想一想事情真的很多啦公司化以後那舊有的成科新有的挑戰那不管是以前的事故虧損與否等等的這個要改革的東西太多那當然剛剛也很多委員問到的就是有一些問題的包括這個 |
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你們的那個燈光啦軌道啦等等的其實我以前也曾經問過軌檢車它的軌道檢查的問題啦就是日本也因為這個軌距的問題產生事故等等的這問題很多所以我是希望說既然已經公司化可能從頭到尾 |
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每一個單位部門你們都要做一個徹底的檢討啦一件一件 因為這太多件說實話是說不完的 |
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舊交通幫恐怕還有一些陳柯在裡面我們不敢說到底是哪個單位很明確但是隱約還是有一些影子沒有完全去除掉雖然主管全部都換了但是有一些小鬼難產的部分我是覺得你們應該徹底做一個新的風氣跟檢討 |
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為了要怎麼樣帶台鐵走向公民政大然後營運能夠很好事故沒有發生等等的這樣一個康莊大道我想這個很辛苦 |
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也不是那麼簡單但是需要用一個不一樣的心態重新去看待每一個部門跟單位這個是希望說語重心長啦是希望說次長代理董事長嘛那馮總也一直都在嘛 |
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比如剛剛講有人問到說那個師爺問到那個文化保存的事事實上我也質詢過很多次台鐵要轉型其實就是六都風法跟鐵道祕境各個不同的點它有它的祕境它有它的文資這個你們如果做一個思考那可能再加上附近的那個你們的宿舍改民宿等等的類似這一種不一樣的經營模態 |
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我覺得其實它是很有機會的當然這也是浩大工程所有的暫停你要做一個縮刻要把它彙整變成一個好的店這個希望說我們的台鐵可以再多一點這方面的思考去把它彙整的更好 |
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那第二個就是我們的那個之前杜董事長答應的我不知道馮總經理跟吳次長這邊是不是延續下去我們的那個百慕達三角洲跟那個台積電站 |
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這之前都說過了 現在就是當時有很多人 我想問一下這是不是一樣跟委員報告 這部分我們還是目前還是這樣子那當然現在目前高雄市政府正在進行那個那個肯定性啦那這中間剛剛提到那個台積電站還是叫男子的對 男子園區站我們 |
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當時在開會的時候有特別提醒那個高雄市政府就是說這兩個站你必須要考慮一下它的佔據因為如果太近的話對整個的營運是不好的第二個它一定要代幣的功能如果沒有代幣功能增設這個以後那我就更慘了我分析給你參考你們就評估一下嘛 |
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今天如果是沒有的話就全部都是用那旁邊那個紅色的是捷運紅線嘛嗯是啊剛好在台鐵南直站跟台鐵新左營站都在那嘛對啊所以我出出一路都是要對這兩站的 |
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很多人流嘛那當然就是說如果有這個男子園區站他的好處是這樣就是說他要紓解這個捷運的人流啦你包括對台南車頭對我們鳳山車頭對屏東車頭他就是坐台鐵的 |
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他如果要去台積電上班剛好20多個月就好了不用再在那個兩個捷運站那邊打捷不然你再坐到新左營站還是坐到台鐵男子站可以玩捷運對不對是不是那些都會打架 |
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所以這個是一個蠻不錯的想法啦我是希望說很將來這一定是很多人在這裡所以這個我是大力的呼籲我們務必要完成啦希望說我們可以整個仔細去評估 |
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我跟委員報告這部分我想我們會全力支持至於如果涉戰之後我還是希望未來不管是Telelogy在審核或是高雄市在提的時候那個代幣功能一定要放進去不然的話真的會很慘那個代幣功能一定要放進去 |
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還有一項 不好意思 主席我再站一分鐘就好 |
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那個空中奉承我們的吳董事長一直跟他答應說這個標籤就沒問題結果呢用過流標 |
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現在我們是重新上網2月7號我們就再重新公告大概6月26號會這個截止收件我們期盤應該看是不是會這段時間4月1號停止收件沒人遞件就是留標6月26才到件截止收件 |
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這個應該是總經理了解比較多啦還有機會嗎應該有啦 我們把那個履約年期也拉長然後固定權利金也下降然後稅賦也給他做優惠所以這次公開說明會蠻多廠商來參與我只有一個需求就是可以成功嘛 |
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那至於說技術問題或者是說要怎麼樣跟你的潛在廠商在合理合法的原則下如何去鼓勵他們來來這邊把它招標完成將來可以正式營運這是我們鳳山人的期盼嘛所以應該沒問題 |
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我們全力以赴啦因為已經三次私底下也都跟很多廠商有交換過意見因為前面一次兩次杜董都跟我說全力以赴第三次跟我說應該沒有問題了我現在想說哇他突然走了我想說這個重酌大任應該放在總經理身上應該沒有問題吧 |
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我們會全力來達成所以你有沒有什麼...你贏算比杜董事長還保守就對了我們越保守走越遠一定會走到 |
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越保守走越遠但是有不一定很保守就走不到啦所以還是有一些我覺得你多花一點心沒問題啦就是一定要去因為你那個就是條件問題嘛所以我就不相信辦不到這應該是辦得到的啦好不好把它完成啦好不好好謝謝好謝謝趙委員 |
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許委員智傑：（12時11分）謝謝主席。請次長跟馮總經理。 |
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主席：請次長、馮總。 |
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許委員智傑：次長好。杜董事長突然辭職，我們也覺得有一點意外，但是馮總經理一直都在，所以很多事情應該都了解，而且現在由次長暫代。想一想臺鐵事情真的很多，公司化以後不論舊有的沉痾、新有的挑戰，還是以前的事故、虧損與否等等，要改革的東西太多。剛剛有很多委員問到一些問題，包括燈光、軌道等等。其實我以前也曾經問過軌檢車的軌道檢查問題，日本也曾經因為軌距問題而產生事故，所以問題很多。既然已經公司化，我希望從頭到尾每一個單位與部門都要做徹底的檢討，畢竟問題實在太多，講都講不完。而且舊交通幫恐怕還有一些沉痾在裡面，我們不敢很明確地說到底是哪個單位，但隱約還是有一些影子沒有完全去除掉。雖然主管全部都換了，但是小鬼難纏，所以我覺得你們應該徹底做檢討並建立新風氣，看未來該怎麼樣帶領臺鐵走向光明正大、營運很好，且沒有發生事故的康莊大道。這個很辛苦，也不是那麼簡單，需要用一個不一樣的心態，重新去看待每一個部門跟單位。我語重心長…… |
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伍次長勝園：是，謝謝委員。 |
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許委員智傑：次長代理董事長，馮總也一直都在。剛剛吳思瑤委員問到文化保存的事，事實上我也質詢過很多次。臺鐵要轉型其實就在六都風華跟鐵道秘境上，各個不同的點各有秘境，也有其文資，這個就看你們如何思考。若再加上把你們的宿舍改成民宿等等，類似這種不一樣的經營模態，我覺得其實是很有機會的。當然，這是浩大工程，所有站體都要思考，並彙整成好的點，希望臺鐵可以再多一點這方面的思考，彙整得更好。 |
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第二個，對於之前杜董事長所答應的，我不知道馮總經理跟吳次長是不是延續下去？也就是楠梓百慕達跟台積電站的問題，這些之前都說過了，但現在你們董事長換人，所以我想要請問這部分是不是一樣？ |
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伍次長勝園：跟委員報告，這部分目前還是這樣子。現在高雄市政府正在進行可行性評估，至於叫台積電站還是叫楠梓…… |
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許委員智傑：楠梓園區站。 |
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伍次長勝園：當時在開會的時候有特別提醒高雄市政府，必須要考慮兩個站的站距，如果太近的話，對整個營運是不好的。第二個，一定要有待避功能，如果沒有待避功能，增設以後我們會更慘！ |
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許委員智傑：我分析給你參考，你們評估一下。如果沒有，全部都是用捷運紅線，剛好臺鐵楠梓站、臺鐵新左營站全都擠在那裡…… |
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伍次長勝園：對。 |
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許委員智傑：所有的進出都從這兩站，這樣人流會很多。如果有楠梓園區站，好處是可以紓解捷運的人流，包括從臺南車站、鳳山車站、屏東車站坐臺鐵去台積電上班的，就直接坐過來就可以了。 |
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伍次長勝園：對。 |
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許委員智傑：不需要在那兩個捷運站打結。否則若坐到新左營站或臺鐵楠梓站再換捷運，這樣是不是全都在那裡打結？ |
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伍次長勝園：對。 |
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許委員智傑：所以這是一個滿不錯的想法，將來這裡一定匯聚很多人才，所以我大力呼籲務必要完成，同時希望能仔細評估。 |
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伍次長勝園：跟委員報告，這部分我們會全力支持，至於設站之後，未來不管是鐵道局審核或高雄市提的時候，待避功能一定要放進去，不然的話真的會很慘。 |
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許委員智傑：當然。 |
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伍次長勝園：待避功能一定要放進去。 |
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許委員智傑：專業的交給你。 |
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伍次長勝園：待避功能放進去以後，站體要稍微寬一點。 |
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許委員智傑：所以我就說專業的交給你們，我管的是怎麼樣去紓解人潮，怎麼樣讓各地民眾上班方便，這兩個是我們地方人民的需求，專業的部分就拜託你們多用一點心把它規劃好。 |
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伍次長勝園：應該的。 |
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許委員智傑：不好意思，主席，再給我1分鐘就好。空中鳳城之前杜董事長說這次一定可以標出去，沒問題，結果又流標！ |
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伍次長勝園：現在我們重新上網，2月27日已經重新公告，大概6月26日截止收件，我們期盼這段時間…… |
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許委員智傑：4月1日停止收件，但沒人遞件，所以就流標了！ |
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伍次長勝園：時間還沒到，6月26日。 |
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許委員智傑：延到6月26日？ |
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伍次長勝園：對，6月26日才截止收件。 |
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許委員智傑：這個應該是總經理了解比較多，有機會嗎？ |
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馮總經理輝昇：應該有，我們把履約年期拉長，固定權利金也下降，稅賦也給優惠，所以這次的公開說明會有滿多廠商來參與。 |
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許委員智傑：我只有一個要求，就是可以成功。至於技術問題，或怎麼樣跟潛在廠商在合理合法的原則下鼓勵他們完成招標，並在將來正式營運，這是鳳山人的期盼！所以應該沒有問題？ |
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馮總經理輝昇：我們全力以赴。因為已經三次了，我們私底下也跟很多廠商交換過意見。 |
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許委員智傑：前面一次、兩次杜董都說全力以赴，第三次說應該沒有問題了，但現在他突然走了，這個重責大任應該在總經理身上，應該沒有問題吧？ |
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馮總經理輝昇：我們會全力來達成。 |
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許委員智傑：你的回答比杜董事長保守就對了？ |
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馮總經理輝昇：越保守走越遠，一定會走到。 |
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許委員智傑：越保守走越遠，但很保守就走不到了！我覺得你多花一點心，沒問題，因為那個是條件問題！ |
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伍次長勝園：對、對，我們會努力。 |
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許委員智傑：所以我就不相信辦不到，這應該是辦得到的，好不好？把它完成，好不好？ |
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馮總經理輝昇：好。 |
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伍次長勝園：好，謝謝召委。 |
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主席：謝謝許智傑委員。哪有什麼越保守走越遠，要開創！什麼越保守走越遠，等一下人家就給你亂寫喔！ |
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接下來請沈發惠委員質詢，沈發惠委員，沈發惠委員不在場。 |
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接下來請何欣純委員質詢。 |
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418 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
聯席會議-11-3-23,36-1 |
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許智傑 |
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洪孟楷 |
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黃國昌 |
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陳培瑜 |
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廖先翔 |
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李昆澤 |
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魯明哲 |
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林國成 |
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陳素月 |
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王義川 |
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林俊憲 |
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邱若華 |
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蔡其昌 |
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徐富癸 |
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吳思瑤 |
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莊瑞雄 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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何欣純 |
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游顥 |
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王美惠 |
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葉元之 |
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黃健豪 |
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沈發惠 |
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翁曉玲 |
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355 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-04-07 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1143401 |
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1143401_00010 |
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立法院第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄 |
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審查一、委員蔡其昌等17人、二、委員林宜瑾等27人、三、委員楊瓊瓔等21人及四、委員徐富癸
等17人分別擬具「國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司設置條例第十條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1143401_00012 |