| IVOD_ID |
159904 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159904 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-07T11:53:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-07T12:06:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c41b1a0504d137e51827cb04bc4a8d285410e0cc1efc9f3076318e8f2386bd98458456231790284f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:53:55 - 12:06:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、交通部就「市區道路品質改善計畫執行效益與檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【本次議案係114年度內政部國土管理署及所屬「生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫(市區道路)」業務費預算解凍條件之檢討改善專案報告】） |
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謝謝主席本席請吳署長吳署長有請 |
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委員好 署長好 署長請教一下今天內政部的報告是不是貴署所寫的 執筆的是不是國土署是 是嘛 好 那本席想請教我們在背景說明的時候特別提到生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫是辦理道路的新闢貨拓寬 |
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針對目前各直轄市縣市政府既有道路功能不彰危險或交通瓶頸來進行系統整合那我們想了解就是說你們現在跟地方的是不是都是地方提案然後你們審查然後撥經費嘛那現在如果地方這個有些路段民眾長期的反應而且一直沒改善那所以你們在 |
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這個審核的時候你們是用什麼樣的機制說明一下就是說生活圈他送來的時候其實我們看的不會只有看那一條路我們其實也是看周圍的環境他改善的效益我把我題目講的更明確一點你們錢一直撥每年這樣預算全國這樣下去但是有些地方他的路段長期一直沒有改善這種情形怎麼辦 |
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應該這麼說看它是哪一類它是什麼道路它有的是屬於非都市土地那可能就是我們跟交通部有分別第二個是說 直接講新竹產業園區內 |
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其實就以前的新豐湖口工業區它現在叫新竹產業園區那這裡面我想你應該很熟啊工業三路、勝利二路還有榮光路那一段那邊長期反應都沒有改善工業區的部分是屬於在經濟部 |
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工業區內工業區內是經濟部所以縣市政府不能提要提到經濟部他經濟部他之前也有他前幾年我印象他有做但是他不是全部都在做他有時候也會跟我們協商有一些在拜託我們或交通部做那有一部分他自己做可是可是這一個如果他是縣道呢縣道縣府不能提案給你們不能改善嗎 |
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說明一下如果工業區範圍內還是屬於它才屬於經濟部的部分 |
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工業區的外面的話如果在獨基內就是屬於我們屬於你們的嘛那榮光路是它主五線嘛主五線是我們縣道嘛是是是對所以這一塊那如果是提升道路品質的部分那就是在前瞻裡面就是它路況是做更新而已而不是有拓寬生活圈是主要你可能有拓寬有有有它需要拓寬 |
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地方要求拓寬多年民怨沸騰所以我現在想知道你們審核的機制到底是怎麼樣說明一下那這個部分我想我們再來跟縣府或跟公所了解看為什麼他們過去從來沒有提案因為有可能他覺得那個徵收費用可能太驚人或怎麼樣他有時候也不太敢提案 |
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是因為這樣有可能因為有時候地方政府尤其到鄉鎮公所那個層級他會很在意講到這個我可能要請部長部長您也來一下因為我看到我們這個有所謂的道安總動員平台那個好像是交通部管的對不對 |
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你看它就是道安道路安全道安應該是道路交通安全道安總動員平台國土署這邊也負責一些市區道路 |
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那這個怎麼整合所以我請部長來主要就針對因為這可能有跨部會的問題如果你現在講的就是產業園區外面的道路的話那我會建議說委員可不可以就是說我們國土署跟交通部或者是跟經濟部共同去看一下大家把它查清楚就是全署的單位是誰然後來決定然後再跟地方政府來做溝通道安總動員平台它這是一個平台 |
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去年6月24號才上線我們的行政院長都還有開記者會那他一直在定期公佈各縣市交通事故以及開放民眾通報路口改善建議那像這個既然他的利益是如此可是這個好像沒有真正發揮功效因為民眾反應也不一定有效再來就是我們發現 |
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這個系統這可能交通部要上來因為這整合的他這個網站統計到今天我們上去看他還只統計到2月25號所以部長不好意思我請您還有交通部今天是 |
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副局長副局長副局長來對那像這一個網站上今天已經4月份了結果4月7號了結果我們現在統計只到2月25號這一個系統 |
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在放假期間網頁斷線你們這個系統不穩有一個說我要通報路口改善結果完全無從反應所以我也要同步表達就是說這個系統好像完全沒辦法work |
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那個副局長一副這個完全不知情然後這個上面本席也要建議這個應該是應該可以隨時及時更新可是他其實整個直到2月25去年6月我在這邊要凸顯第一個跨部會因為民眾的很多事情他不是單一的單位像今天這個可能內政部跟交通部都有關 |
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那我们的中央政府真的少一点政治斗争多一点为民服务啊那这个去年六月才开记者会的到现在根本不work而且完全的也都好像摊在那里不到一年然后统计整个就好像摆烂在那里 |
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報告委員 您簡單回覆這個系統其實隨時在更新 尤其是填報的像回報的 民眾一來 他直接是上網填報的 |
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它上面就寫統計至2月25號啊你真的要我秀出來對啊統計至2月25號啊然後親民廉價你們應該知道那個民眾很多要反映的我們當然也是在準備質詢稿我們發現完全上機啊你們也沒人知道啊這個部分我們回去再查一下啦但是那個更新的部分是像 |
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地方政府做這個路口做完了地方政府馬上會上這個網填報完成那他是隨時再更新你不要說一套做一套你去了解實際情況OK那部長你也請那個請回座請回座我最後請署長署長那個我們今天講這個道路品質嘛那其實現在你應該知道市區道路的話其實人行道跟自行車道的需求越來越大我相信您了解嘛 |
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所以有關人行道跟自行車道的話事好像中央沒有什麼這個相關的一些措施報告我們在去年已經有公布那個 |
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市區人行人行設施的這個這個相關的這樣一個規範都有了自行車道的建置有統一的標準人行道的部分有自行車道在交通部因為我們發現我們3月份3月份新竹縣整個道安事故是您知道嗎這個竟然 |
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去這個三月份今年三月份的統計去年在騎自行車死亡的人數竟然是成長率百分之百那所以這個部分就是說人行道跟自行車道的部分這一塊你們怎麼樣來改善因為我們常聽到民眾跟我們反應就是說我走在人行道上我很容易可能會被自行車撞到 |
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因為自行車道的劃設很多地方不足然後現在UBIKE全國都一直在進行我們新竹縣也在這幾年非常蓬勃的發展所以是不是你自行車等於說騎自行車死亡跟受傷的人數逐年這幾年是不是因為我們整個中央的法規還有我們的這個實施一直沒有跟上民眾生活的腳步 |
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因為過去在人行道的設計上跟自行車到底是共用還是分隔其實交通部都有頒布相關的規定那當然我想在很多老的城市尤其像新竹市區本身道路就比較小那能夠擠出人行道大概就很不容易那如果要在人行道裡面再去做分隔 |
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可能會更難所以我在猜這塊國土署有相關經費嗎沒有 我說明一下因為它是在你的標誌標線上要去做共用或區隔所以這個是在這為什麼是交通部因為在所有的這個道安規則裡面都是在交通部交通部它是執行單位 |
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還有法規那是經費你們這邊有嗎改善的部分是我們有所以你們改善他們也有嗎 |
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有他們也有所以這樣好像你很難控管嘛都市計劃區內的話大概是我們我現在都講都市計劃區內啊對對所以我說明一下就是說人行道做好了他到底是要用共用還是分隔就是市政府要決定因為標準都有 |
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由市政府決定沒有一個通用的法規或什麼就是它交通部有頒訂的規則是共用跟分隔都可以就是你地方政府依照實際情形去決定是要共用還是分隔那所以可能是新竹市政府還沒有去做好這樣的一個規定沒有啦我是管新竹縣啦新竹縣的部分也沒有去可能還沒有去做好這一塊的這個分隔的標準新竹縣也很多地方沒有啊 |
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所以第一個建人行道您的意思是說這是縣市政府的責任應該這麼說人行道的部分經費我們來協助但是做好了你到底是跟自行車道要分隔我從頭到尾問的時候你們在審核經費你們在給地方當然地方都很希望你們給但是民眾跟我們都希望你們給下去我們是看得到成果的 |
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我們當然也不會覺得說你給我那個不好但是你在審核的時候你怎麼樣把經費能夠包括它的執行對執行成效你們有在管嗎有這根本報告我們大概每年就足跡都會做一些檢討足跡都會做一些檢討檢討前一年的前一年對那尤其大概做好以後會跟前一年的 |
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就做好執行一年以後會跟之前沒有做完之前的交通事故去做一個比較所以你不會針對他他做了有沒有符合需求 |
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福爾曲球的部分當然就是因為你地方政府提出這一些但是剩下就是有一些就變成民眾再來反映的時候那我們當然也會去做檢討這也是我們為什麼會有推一個街道醫生的那樣的一個計畫就讓民眾來提出他們的一些看法街道醫生是國土署提的嗎對對對 |
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也就讓他們提出來有哪一些看法那我們會針對那樣的路口去提出來看看要怎麼去改善或是路段要怎麼去改善那這也就是有時候我們會接受民眾投票我們每年都有讓民眾來投票那還有做醫生 接到醫生的一個檢視是做這樣來協助大家看怎麼樣改善好 謝謝好 謝謝徐信英委員的質詢報告委員會我們中午不休息下一位我們請徐副委員 |