| IVOD_ID |
159889 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159889 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-23,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-07T10:59:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-07T11:11:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c41b1a0504d137e582acaf0f86e52a7ddaa51b2df98f8e7fb95a6c2cde3b5686a8298b5aff6b46715ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:59:43 - 11:11:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查一、委員蔡其昌等17人、二、委員林宜瑾等27人、三、委員楊瓊瓔等21人及四、委員徐富癸等17人分別擬具「國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司設置條例第十條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
【以上各案詢答完畢後，進行處理】） |
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好 感謝主席 本期邀請我們交通部有次長請次長我們鐵道局鐵道局楊局長局長 |
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文化部今天是文字局莊委上來文字局莊委 委員好好 市長好市長本期要先來關心我們台南火車站就台南市的鐵路地下化那現在非常重要的就是既有台南火車站的工程它現在第二月台要如何處置那第一月台是要保留 |
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這屬於文化資產保護啦這個第一月台這沒有問題像是第二月台的問題那第一月台好像之前鐵道局是說那個下城市廣場以北的部分第二月台保留但廣場以南的部分第二月台要先拆掉到別的地方再重組這個如果做文物保留本席沒有意見我現在擔心的是會不會影響到接下來的地下化工程的進度 |
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因為之前在地下化工程施工的時候就曾經會挖到文物遺址嘛已經停工兩年了當時就已經延宕兩年現在處理好了現在又遇到了這個火車站站體本身第二月台的問題好像在前幾天有開那個審議嘛是不是這樣有審議結論怎麼樣那第二月台有沒有共識第二月台處理有共識嗎現在有沒有人知道 |
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第二月台的部分它對我們來說是報告案那原來他們希望的部分是讓它是之後是會在原地重組不會讓它移到其他的地方所以可以先拆除在原地重組嗎對 |
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大家跟文化界人士已經有共識了是嗎是是是 海上委員會沒有提出報告好了 局長那這樣會不會再耽誤到我們台南市鐵路地下化工程報告委員我想這部分對第一階段的下地通車沒有影響也就是說後續怎麼樣去幫助你上面車站的問題對對對上面車站的問題那現在我們下方的軌道都跟相關的隧道工程都在積極的進行當中好 |
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希望能夠盡速如期的我們來完成台南市最重要的一個公共工程這之一就是我們的鐵路地下化這我們全力來努力這個也是我們賴總統在他市長任內這個可以說是全力推動你也知道在這個過程也遇到一些困難但是我們都逐一的克服這個對未來 |
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整個台南市的發展可以說是非常非常重要將既有的救市區因為鐵軌分成兩邊我們把它封合起來希望能夠如期完成 好吧好 這個沒問題那我現在 文哲舉可不可以坐 |
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我現在要請教兩位知不知道在今年年初過年小年夜的時候曾經發生我們的台鐵列車大霧點就是因為我們的號誌整個突然間故障號誌整個都亂掉了 |
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那小連夜正是運輸尖峰的時候那突然間怎麼會造成這樣的一個大霧點後來去查原因就是耗資出了問題為什麼出問題因為電纜被偷減了對處長你知道這個事情嗎我知道我知道這個事情那我現在在想的就是我們的海底電纜發生多次了 |
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被應該說肯定都是中國的船隻用故意的就這樣騷擾你就把海底電纜給撤斷了已經發生很多起了前幾天還發生中國的船隻又撤斷我們的電纜我們把人跟船壓回我們台灣港內來處理的事件那現在台鐵的電纜被剪斷 |
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所以我就好奇 我就去查一下資料台鐵過去五年來它的電纜被剪斷像在2020年就一次了 2021年也一次2022年開始被偷減電纜的次數就大幅增加去年就被剪斷了九次 |
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那因為台鐵也屬於國家基礎設施就是它國安設施的一部分所以你台鐵的電腦被剪斷這個要通報國土安全辦公室那也引起了行政院的注意 |
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那這個事情次長你了解嗎我知道跟委員報告齁這個案子目前是已經破案齁目前齁暫時排除有所謂公安的問題你都是用竊盜罪嘛對對那主要是因為那我會擔心嘛不管他是不是真的竊盜罪啦你只要被剪斷啦你整個 |
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交通動線就受影響是乘客的權利就受影響對 上次小連夜就是因為這個原因所以造成我們整個第一個我那時候懷疑就是說為什麼小連夜小連夜正是運量最繁忙的時候那你那個時候去檢這個小時候你會被拒絕絕對會被抓到不是就是說警方就會有破案的壓力對不對 |
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再來 早年台灣還有頭家電算啦 頭家電那麼去買的啦現在很多人在家電那麼去買什麼啦 很多人去買這個啦是不是 反而相反啦 你現在一年發生的次數會越來越多啦所以我要請台鐵 我們鐵路警察局今天有沒有來 沒有來齁你隨便都把它當成就是一般的竊案啦 就把它給結案了啦但是我們要做一些預防啦 |
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因為你台鐵是國家基礎安全設施基礎建設之一所以我就請教台鐵我說像你這樣電纜你2024年已經發生了九次幾乎每一個月都被剪斷一次了這還得了我就請教台鐵那你如何來反映來回應這樣電纜被偷減 |
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來 處長我給你看 局長你看一下這是台鐵回覆給本席的公文我問他說你如何去防止或者是預防或者是如何去處理你的電纜被偷檢你有沒有人要代替他告訴我代替說他要去打那個警告標語你再給我胡攏音也不要給我亂寫 |
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我問你如何去處理你電纜,你現在暴增被偷減的次數啦去年已經到9次了我問他你怎麼處理,他給我回覆這個公文啦他說他要去大警告標語啦叫大家不要來淘汰啦,大家忙來做菜啦根文報告,這個說法是確實是比較消極啦這不是消極,你隨便給我呼嚨 |
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我還是立法委員 我還是交通委員會的委員我問你如果處理 你給我說 你們去圍牆貼警告標語叫大家忙來做菜 大家不可以偷家電 電線電纜因為亂來意 那我再舉一個例子給你看我去查一下人家國外怎麼做法 |
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你不努力也要用功一下查一下這是英國鐵路公司啦英國鐵路公司的網頁他專門有一個頁面是在告訴大家這種電纜的缺案他們公司要如何來應對我們台鐵也沒有任何頁面在講這個事情可見你過去都完全不把它當一回事啦但是當你一年有發生到九次從原本一年一次現在一年沒有九次被剪斷電纜 |
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這偷電纜是很愚蠢的竊盜行為很不容易囂張也沒有什麼人在買那個東西那你如果去防止你也要稍微研究一下隨便給我丟個公文你給我大佛公你要去大警告標語就是很亂來的那我再給你參考一下像英國鐵路公司那怎麼處理 |
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第一個他說因為有去偷檢所以他們用那個是可以追蹤的電纜就增加你囂張就是你這個檢下來就算髒物你就很難賣掉了第二個因為不是每一個路段都有可能被侵入去偷檢所以他在很可能會被偷檢的地方他都有裝置一些像監視設備甚至感應儀器還有他的電纜都特殊的電纜 |
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這國外有這樣的方法你可以去學嘛而不是貼個標語那如果萬一啦再發生我現在給你調你的資料你看你去年被剪斷9次那你絕對就是延誤班那個乘客的班車的時間啦 乘客的權利你一年損失多少 你自己有沒有算所以切到不是不是剪下來就算啦 |
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因為你有成本啦,你要賠人家車票給人家退票,你要補償乘客啊你一年因為契案,要多少錢,你知道嗎台北縣有沒有來?有,有委員總經理你知道嗎?你也要算這個啦 |
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那體育警察局今天沒有來我因為沒有時間了啦你這個事情我請台鐵給我一個答案好不好你如果反應或者是說預防或者說發生你如果去處理 |
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已經逐年增加而且增加到不能忍受的一個程度了你居然被剪了九次了我現在懷疑這是不是刻意的啊海底電纜被偷剪那幾乎同時間2022年開始我們陸上 陸地上的電纜也頻繁發生被剪斷尤其台鐵啊 |
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你要去考量有沒有這樣一個關聯性嘛你每個案子你都把它隨便當成一個竊案嘛如果就算是這樣那你也不能讓它持續而且增加發生的次數嘛造成台鐵損失你也不處理你也不恢復 你看你給我恢復到什麼 |
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我們會針對這個議題現在已經跟陸警局有橫向聯防他們有發現可疑的這個竊盜集團都會跟我們做聯繫然後我們現在針對可疑的地點就剛委員提到的我們也會來研議來裝設攝影機來看來加強在監控這個部分我們會持續來來把它 |
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你為什麼不這麼答覆,你給我答覆說你要去大體的警告不要語呼籲大家不要來偷檢,叫大家忙來做餐好不好,尊重一下好不好好,謝謝市長,謝謝局長 |