| IVOD_ID |
159881 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159881 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-23,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-07T09:25:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-07T09:37:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c41b1a0504d137e512d2ad78e581857adaa51b2df98f8e7f9acb4c1531107a79a2a4a6212d4cdfaa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:25:52 - 09:37:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查一、委員蔡其昌等17人、二、委員林宜瑾等27人、三、委員楊瓊瓔等21人及四、委員徐富癸等17人分別擬具「國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司設置條例第十條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
【以上各案詢答完畢後，進行處理】） |
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謝謝主席,麻煩有請交通部政務次長,也是台鐵的代理董事長請次長博焱好次長好,台鐵有很多事情其實讓納稅人看不太懂我一樣一樣來跟您請教,第一個 |
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志強號EMU3000型的列車當初說是台灣最美的列車結果跑我們的東部幹線座椅不符合人體工學民眾坐得腰痠背痛充電器難用這些事情之前交通部的部長陳士凱在這個委員會接受質詢的時候也說了說他自己坐 |
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都覺得有這樣子的問題這必須要改善現在目前這件事情改善的進度如何 |
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我想跟委員報告,我想為了這個座椅的關係,我們大概也不好意思啊,你就直接講,現在改善的進度如何?完成百分之多少?我們現在已經找出最優方案,已經找出來了,那現在要進行所謂的所以還沒有開始進行對不對?還沒有開始,大概沒有關係第一個,那你們現在改善的所...改善的方案要花多少錢? |
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改善方案要花多少錢大概1.7億左右來看一下一列改裝的費用是369萬有50列乘起來是1億8450萬這個數字沒有錯嗎沒有錯我現在問題來了你們當初跟大家號稱 |
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還有什麼人體工學小組一堆專家參與結果搞了半天新的椅子做了難做還要花一億八千四百五十萬這個錢誰要出這不是舊的車子喔這是新的車子喔新的車子以後發現椅子很難坐處理的方式是在花一億八千四百五十萬來改這個錢誰要出 |
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沒有人要負責嗎還是沒有關係正納稅人的錢盡量花 隨便花 亂花反正又不是決策的人要出這件事情交通部有檢討嗎台鐵有檢討嗎還是118450萬在台鐵的眼中這小錢啦 藍三的啦 沒有關係啊是這樣嗎說明一下這件事情誰要負責 |
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我再強調一次喔這是新車喔這不是舊車喔這不是舊車老舊要去換設備是從新的車開始座椅就有問題連交通部部長都承認有問題結果再花一億八我們的政府很有錢還是台鐵很有錢來說明一下誰要負責 |
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我想跟委員報告因為這個當時他的座椅的材質是所謂的防火的耐燃的部分所以他比較硬一點那確實大概做起來大概補片的就覺得反應說比較硬所以我剛剛都講過了現在我再問你的問題是誰要負責沒有人要負責嗎沒有關係花納稅人的錢啊 |
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現在大家看不懂啊我們的政府到底在做什麼決策粗糙品質爛新的車的座椅沒辦法坐沒有關係再花118來改還不是只有這件事喔再往下看普悠瑪完了以後又搞一個列控4.0找了一個詐騙廠商啊叫李力 |
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怎麼勾上線的我有一定程度的了解李立啊現在是把我們啊國際桃園國際機場T3航廈的自駕車的系統搞得亂七八糟啊搞到要解約啊現在這廠商啊躲到哪裡去了不知道但是這個詐騙廠商啊政商關係良好啊關係非常的好之前搞一個列控4.0 |
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花六千萬結果我又問應安會說系統根本不能用來你們這個列控4.0還要再搞第二期嗎公務員報告這部分我們現在還在評估啦還要評估多久還要評估多久我們會在我們董事會的那個安全我老實跟你們講啦當初錯了就勇敢承認錯誤啦不要以拖待變啦 |
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所以要評估18個月這種爛東西需要評估18個月喔笑死人了啊你們反正就是用時間來拖延嘛之前花6000萬你丟一顆石頭到水裡還會動一聲啊你花了6000萬搞這個列控室點停室有什麼用什麼用都沒有啦我跟你保證你18個月買以後絕對不會繼續做啦為什麼不會繼續做 這東西太爛了嘛 |
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當初六千萬拿給這個廠商胡搞瞎搞有什麼具體的成果什麼具體的成果都沒有啊政府很有錢啊納稅的錢國家的錢這樣亂花都沒有關係啊改椅子1.8億列控4.0再丟六千萬錢多得不得了啊再往下看台鐵遮斷器 |
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1424號 耗費近4.8億 什麼時候裝得完本來預期什麼時候要裝完 現在什麼時候裝得完跟我們報告 現在這個我們評估 因為它涉及到電源的關係現在有關老舊 所以變成電源的部分要先一併來做更新那現在我們評估大概會在明年的七月可以完成明年的七月吧 是遲延多久了大概延了一年多 |
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一樣啊爛的不得了啊從花蓮裝到彰化遮斷器放不下來之前我已經質詢過這件事啊來看一下現在進度本來要裝1424號本來去年8月的時候就要做完了現在裝了396套加上42套供料我的資訊有沒有錯 |
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沒有錯沒有錯嘛什麼時候做得完 你說明年七月 上一次我問喔你們給我的資料是今年年底要做完但我看這個進度根本做不完嘛絕對做不完嘛現在要延到明年七月喔誰要負責任 |
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第二個我上次來這邊問前董事長杜威跟我講說這個遮斷器之前出現了很大的問題因為那是鐵路停交道這牽涉到人命的安全我上次質詢的時候我說這家公司安全嗎 |
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裝到髒話都不想要裝啊說不要來裝了啊會出事啊上次杜威跟我講說這個問題有收斂真的有收斂嗎到目前為止有收斂嗎我跟委員報告確實這些原因有在收斂中一個比較嚴重的隱形的關係啦過去兩個月有沒有發生事故因為他遮斷器的問題有沒有發生事故有沒有造成人受傷 有還是沒有 |
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有沒有台東的部分有一個對嘛這是你們上次跟我講的說現在安全沒有疑慮我上次質詢的時候台鐵回函給我安全沒有疑慮結果呢結果你們內部的人看不下去說那個董事長胡說八道說謊你們新聞蓋得很好這個是內部的人傳來給我的 |
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又造成事故了啊又有人受傷了啊結果上次我站在這邊質詢啊你們台鐵董事長還跟我講說安全沒有疑慮現在呢今天還是拍胸脯保證安全沒有疑慮嗎 |
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我跟委員報告剛提到的這幾個原因確實是前面幾個因素已經弄得已經收斂差不多現在就剩下電源的部分那電源部分因為舊的電源比較不穩定我們現在要講電源就來講電源 |
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上次我就講了發刀的時候沒有做好就開始東拉西扯說電源有問題然後你們之前還編了1.9億啊你事情沒做好國家還要再編預算花1.9億讓你去花1.9億讓你去改善電源來我們看一下這個是你們本來追加1.87億嘛這是你們台鐵本來台鐵電聯智慧化提升計畫裡面的內容啊 |
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是吧我公開諮詢完了以後說這個不能給同一家特定廠商做這也出事了說現在要公開招標說三月要發包絕標了嗎還沒有這樣還沒有絕標網路的絕標什麼時候要發包還要再拖多久一年的四月就會發 |
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我再講一次你們112年回函的內容是什麼?遮斷感沒有電流不足的問題結果現在廠商東西搞不好廠商東西搞不好我們政府解決的方法很簡單納稅人的錢拿來花我再編預算再讓你改善電流 |
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現在我有個最根本的問題這個廠商當初在投標的時候他不知道既有客觀環境是什麼你們當初還跟這個廠商講不要去牽拖電流的事情結果現在最後政府讓步了政府讓步解決的方法是什麼納稅人的錢編啊用納稅人的錢去幫這個廠商啊資錢給你四億多搞不定不僅遲延安全還有問題 |
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現在解決的方法非常簡單我在編預算再給你錢搞我為什麼說納稅人看不懂我們政府很有錢啦預算這樣亂編亂花都沒有關係啊從頭到尾沒有人要負責嘛我有說錯嗎錢這樣花整個交通部看也沒有關係台鐵也沒有人要負責 |