| IVOD_ID |
159868 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159868 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-02T12:33:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-02T12:45:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/af9684606460b5822bcf5cb91406f61636631c288f31339db6cb27fd71dc7bab5f23dfb7261517ce5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:33:39 - 12:45:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查國家通訊傳播委員會函為修正「應經核准之電信管制射頻器材」、「電信管制射頻器材製造輸入及申報作業管理辦法」及「電信管理業務規費收費標準」第十四條條文案。
二、審查(一)委員黃健豪等19人擬具「電信管理法第五條、第八條及第七十九條條文修正草案」案、(二)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「電信管理法第五條及第八條之一條文修正草案」案、(三)委員鍾佳濱等21人擬具「電信管理法第五條、第九條及第七十九條條文修正草案」案、(四)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「電信管理法第九條及第四十條條文修正草案」案及(五)委員陳俊宇等19人擬具「電信管理法第七十五條條文修正草案」案。
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今天很多人關心這750年之亂我看你上台回答的時候前後不大一樣你要不要看看你的左腳有沒有踩到右腳一開始有立委問你說這750年之亂 |
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不只是緩爭啊可能一年後就往這個不爭的方向你講對嘛對不對各位的報告那是因為當初我們正在要報財政部函還沒回覆之前我們不能把話講太滿 |
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對啊 我說立委這樣問你 你說往這方向嘛後來又有立委問你啊你說修完之後 可能一年後要增你沒發現你這左腳踩到右腳 前後是不一的沒有 就是我們講說符合最大主流名義方式現在最大主流名義方式是不收那就是我們的主要最大主流名義不收所以是往不收的 就是不收的嘛可是你現在看起來是修完掉成以後一年後要再增啊不是 就是我們會 |
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一年期間是停政一年面穩會完成修法修法會以最大主流民意方向為考量那因為修法是涉及到NCC委員會議那NCC是何意志我不能把我一個人的意見當作NCC的意見所以你提到說最大的民意最大的民意現在就是 |
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不收嘛對不對是不是你目前的理解跟你今天在立法院講的就是不收嘛是不是對沒錯來來我給你看我得到信息好像不是這樣啊來我們來看公文你們給了財政部發函財政部給你的文啊他的文的重點是什麼來我們看一下 |
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緩徵一年緩徵的理由是你這一年要做什麼辦理業務宣傳財政部還特別提醒你喔你停徵期滿之後要立即恢復收起該項審查費如果叫你去歐約公文叫財政部給你這個函那你今天應該很明確跟民眾講啊你這個停徵是只有一年就是明年的2月5號就開始要重新 |
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正說嘛是不是這樣如果照公文來看是不是這樣公文報告 兩點補充 第一點一般領域宣導那是扣合規範法12條的文字我們必須要符合它第二個這個停政一年 我們是停政一年之內我們會來做法規檢討 就是稍微辦法的檢討那如果字不記 假設一年內法規檢討沒有辦法完成的話我們還可以再跟財政部再申請展言 |
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那你要早一點給他 給他知道啊那更重要的 沒有沒有 我們要做幾個我們是法治國家嘛 做幾件事情第一個齁 來來 我做一個三個非常具體的這個第一個 你們現在 今天為什麼要討論這個因為你給我們立完一個被查案嘛 對不對是被查案你要撤回去啊對不對 對不對你不撤今天我們也會退回去是不是這樣 法治國家應該這樣處理嘛 |
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你都不爭了啊那你現在還送了一個立法院來叫你備查對不對這是法源這個要先拿掉對不對這是累累對不對第二個你要檢討我先我看了一下你是2月12號就給財政部文財政部在14號就給你了耶他說很快喔他跟你一樣他也很尊重民意啊可是你們這個公文的往返公文上面呈現的就是一年後是要再爭的你跟民眾的傳達信息 |
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所以我說第一件事情先把你的查詐案撤回去這是第一件事情第二個要跟財政部講我不是一年要收你不要跟民進黨說我們現在說你最大名義是往不收嘛對不對好不好今天很明確喔好不好剛剛跟委員報告講因為財政部還沒回函之前我們必須要用比較相對比較寬鬆的一些字眼財政部同意我們停在一年我們會在一年內來修那個收費辦法 |
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只要把所有辦法修回這個假設啦假設修回免徵的情況之外我們也不會再跟財政部再申請一個展延所以這一年內是說我們取得這個時間能夠處理掉這個問題你現在強調最大民意嘛那雖然最新的民意也是就是不曾往這邊走所有的三個要求都很明確啦你看一下喔除了第二點我剛剛講你趕快撤回撤回你這個被查這個案子沒有的話我們今天我相信今天的會議應該也會決定退回啦這個應該會達成 |
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那第二個你要撤回這個你這個收費案的時候你要重新檢討當然最好就是不收了嘛那至少你要做到一點要取消用智慧的那一塊那部分我剛剛看你們有在談這一塊嘛對不對能不能做一個言論就至少在智慧的這一塊盡量不要收好不好好盡量不要收那第三個你趕快也跟財政部發一個函另外我要提醒你們再檢討一個重點你知道那幾天為什麼明年春天很多人很生氣 |
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他們氣啊 他們說 你去拿我這七寶石塊要做什麼你們NCC的講法是說 要拿來做什麼 水電啦開會的人事會啦 自動辨識系統的建置還有一項 引起最大反彈 訴訟會你拿我人民的錢 說我們人民的錢 跟人民打官司那時候整個是雜鍋了嘛 |
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跟我們報告當時確實是有一件以自由民意來進口然後我們跟他有訴訟確實當時是有個案是真實的個案所以你拿我們人民的收費的錢去跟人民打官司更重要官司常常都打輸對不對 |
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常常打輸常常打輸的同時最重要 我覺得民眾現在的反感是在你拿我們的錢去打訴訟所以你們如果真的要修 至少把訴訟會這個拿掉 好不好好 把這個訴訟會拿掉另外 我用比較簡短的時間問一個最近大家很關心的就是民視啊用這個AI製作這個緬甸地震這個事情我看你們發了三點聲明嘛我看不只沒有告誡跟勸告耶 那好像很溫柔的提醒而已 |
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我看今天沒有時間沒有時間看這個這個你要看過這個他這個影片嘛對不對我相信再說應該很多因為這個很聳動這個為什麼要處理一個AI是一個這個製作是一個新的新的一個技術那電視台到底要不要用這個本來就是好好要去要去討論跟規範的第二更重要的單純就這個事情你看以AI合成這個照片 |
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觸目驚心啊 他跟你講啊用AI合成 這個照片是什麼觸目驚心 整排的高樓幾乎全部都倒了道路像是被撕裂 你看這個會造成恐慌 |
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跟各位報告這個個案我們已經請該家業者來做意見陳述那後續我們會照我們的標準程序來處理那至於通案上的這個廣電世界運用AI部分我們也目前正在嚴厲應用指引我們希望能盡快把這個指引出來然後讓各家媒體來參與用 |
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現階段就是他們要有這個落實他們自己的事實查證跟他們內部的內控的自律機制那這邊我有強調說要他必須要做好這個自律的方面的一些相關該揭示就揭示電視影響力很大嘛那這個事情為什麼這麼重要因為它合成這個畫面非常觸目驚心會不會引起恐慌我們有些台灣人還在緬甸耶 |
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昨天不是一個新聞嗎一個受傷我們台灣的婦人不幸不幸往生了嘛 對不對第一個我們台灣跟緬甸都在同樣的一塊OAR大陸這個板塊上面所以這個新聞基本上是引起了一部分這個恐慌而且它是一個假新聞所以它是要處理的好 那我提出我的具體的處理方式我來自媒體嘛我去調了一下 |
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你們在11006次這個委員會議的這個紀錄談到民事的時候你們要求他們要聘請兩位專職的編審兩到三位嘛 對不對那個編審都是很大勞啦 |
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就當過裁判主任啦或者是總編輯才能夠當編審的我覺得這個決定是好的那現在我就很明確的要求你要去問民事問清楚他的編制有沒有落實因為你要求他做完這個決定之後的次日期的三個月他就要配備嘛第一個有沒有做到有沒有拼第二個更重要的你找了一個大牢有這個編制啊你要讓他發揮功能嘛要尊敬人家嘛所以像這樣一個為什麼會出現這樣一個錯誤的假新聞引起大家恐慌的 |
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535.459 |
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541.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
請編審能夠發揮他的功能 好不好請他發揮功能另外我們就法論法 我們來看這個新聞既然出了問題從法律上去看廣電法第27條第三項的第一款違反法律強制或禁止規定 |
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558.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
571.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
涉違法的六十三之一第五條這個散佈謠言這個假新聞是不是有類似這樣的性質他連罰則都是有的第三項的第四款自播新聞違反了事實的查證的這個原則 |
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574.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
599.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
各位報告我們這塊處理必須要前後一致我們過往這方面的處理都要上委員會議目前我們沒有委員會議所以這邊程序上我們必須要跟過往的我們過往的作為必須會拘束到我們自己所以這邊的裁罰案所以你就該罵嘛你在講說現在沒有足夠的委員可以上禮拜林國成林委員問你還說你要趕快去反映啊你看一下這個法令的規定我們已經修法通過啦修法通過啦 |
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603.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
606.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我們在去年的7月16號修正第4條11月15號修正的第16條12月1號已經正式實施了明定三個月內要補足 |
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617.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
638.556 |
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補足是什麼時候 今年的3月1號 欸你現在四月了 過一個月了之前在行政院啊 行政院要提名對不對 你是代理主委你要趕快去提醒啊你這不是失職了嗎 各位報告 台灣民主黨有提一個那個案子我們就是有那個程序 我們已經報到院裡頭去了 所以院裡頭應該知道 |
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639.224 |
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646.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
所以你去提醒 那真正失職的在行政院院長喔記不提醒嘛 你看你的業務你剛講到 你說你要裁罰要討論 委員會都沒辦法開 |
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649.44 |
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671.852 |
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立法院明定的你要趕快補提名時間都過了好不好不要讓院長繼續失職下去好 謝謝委員那民視這個事情我剛講的讓大佬讓那些邊省可以發揮應有的功能請他們要去注意不要再發生假新聞或者驚悚的新聞這對人民是不好的第二 該有的罰者要罰你不能雙標 |
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674.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
686.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
沒有我們中天如果發生在中天要關台關一次我們過往做的程序上要上委員會這邊我們必須要做要一致的處理所以你說要等委員會OK那就不要讓院長這句事趕快提醒他趕快提名好不好好謝謝謝謝張祺凱 |