| IVOD_ID |
159858 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159858 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-02T11:19:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-02T11:27:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/af9684606460b582efb71b057f767acfbdcf8c6e832fa1fa82a196d6fb1fbb05b88d7f28b768b82a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:19:07 - 11:27:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管非營業基金－作業基金：（詢答及處理）
（一）國軍退除役官兵安置基金。
（二）榮民醫療作業基金。） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時18分）主席、各位委員。有請主委。 |
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主席：有請主委，謝謝。 |
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嚴主任委員德發：鄭委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：主委好，辛苦了。 |
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嚴主任委員德發：謝謝委員。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：再次給主委看，民國77年5月15號，當時的許歷農主委，你的前輩，特別函復當時內政部吳伯雄部長的一封信，他答復吳伯雄部長，同意將現未利用的土地46.526公頃撤銷撥用歸還，而且還特別承諾，「今後視安置狀況，若再有不需公務利用之土地定當繼續辦理撤銷撥用事宜」，就原住民族而言，這個就是退輔會主委非常重要的承諾，對原住民族而言，它也是一種契約。所以這個部分讓嚴主委、也讓所有退輔會同仁能夠認清，也要把它當成是一個退輔會的承諾、對原住民族的契約。 |
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原住民族基本法是民國94年才公布施行，剛剛那個是還沒有原住民族基本法之前、民國77年退輔會的承諾。原基法第二十條規定：「政府承認原住民族土地及自然資源權利」，寫得非常、非常地明確。行政院也核定原民會所提送的當然是從臺灣省政府就已經有了「公有土地增編原住民保留地處理原則」，這是行政院核定的，非常地清楚，第三點寫「原住民於七十七年二月一日前即已使用其祖先遺留且迄今仍繼續使用之公有土地」，就可以增編為原住民保留地。所以我們沒有要擴大到像剛才嚴主委展現的胸襟，現在的原住民只要求能夠符合行政院所核定的增劃編原住民保留地的原則，只要求符合這個規定、現在還繼續使用的部分。 |
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這個部分到目前為止其實主要是在花蓮、臺東，希望目前你們還沒有同意的，是不是把它臚列出來？就是鄉公所及縣政府已經跟你們會勘了、但你們還沒有同意的，把它臚列出來是哪些土地、有幾筆、哪些地號，可不可以提供給我們，看看到底有什麼需要共同協調的？可以嗎？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：報告委員，我們已經有1,303公頃在96年以前歸還原住民，就是增劃編的原住民保留地。目前處理的是96年到現在有54公頃，我們已經同意了51公頃，還有3公頃主要是鄉公所在審核，我們會配合辦理。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：那個3公頃就是這麼一點點而已，剛剛你講了那麼多，你看，這麼大的面積，之前都同意了，何況現在……所以就這三公頃多，請提供土地的地段、地號，可以嗎？ |
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楊處長長政：報告委員，沒有問題。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，這個部分就麻煩你們。 |
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嚴主任委員德發：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：另外，請教會計處。 |
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蔡處長進滿：委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：請教處長，113年度的預算，是113年度喔，不用去看。113年度預算的解凍案，當時你們是在113年，還是114年、就是今年……113年度的解凍案是去年幾月送來立法院的？ |
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蔡處長進滿：解凍案就是我們送立法院以後，到委員會排解凍的時間大概是5月份，過去因為預算比較早通過。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：沒關係，我查過經濟委員會，因為我在經濟委員會，我查過，經濟委員會去年針對113年度預算在3月就排了解凍案的審查。因為臨時請你答復，你回去查一下113年度、112年度兩個年度就好了，就是退輔會什麼時候送解凍案到立法院，時間就好，這樣可以嗎？ |
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蔡處長進滿：可以。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：最後，主委，我知道上面交代不能送解凍案到立法院，但是為了退輔會業務的推動，主委要很勇敢地跟上面講你們還是要送。 |
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嚴主任委員德發：報告委員，沒有「交代」，我們3月21日才公告，所以作業要有一個時程、要有時間。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：剛才我有聽了前面的質詢，事實上，第一個，如果要求提供書面報告，你就把書面報告送來，就算是要求專案報告，主委你很清楚，你當過國防部部長，很多、很多解凍案，就把它寫清楚送來。雖然是3月才公告，但是立法院1月就通過了，你們就應該準備好，既然這個業務是這麼重要，就應該準備好了。雖然總統在3月20日左右才公告，但是現在已經4月初了，所以如果你在3月20日以前，也就是在今年1月立法院三讀通過之後，認為一定要這個經費，那就應該送立法院，就應該準備好了，所以請退輔會、主委趕快把解凍案不管是書面報告或是專案報告，都一樣要送來，好不好？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：我們會儘快完成準備。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。 |
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嚴主任委員德發：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝天財委員。看起來今天很多人關心這個議題，但是我還是再強調一次，1個禮拜前覆議才剛完，所以真的是可能沒有辦法那麼迅速。 |
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接下來請鄭正鈐委員，鄭正鈐委員，鄭正鈐委員不在。 |
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接下來請葉元之委員上臺質詢。 |
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552 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-3-35-5 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
羅美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
黃仁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
陳俊宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
何欣純 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
林憶君 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
381 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-04-02 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1143301 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1143301_00008 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查114年
度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管非營業基金─作業基金：
(一)國軍退除役官兵安置基金、(二)榮民醫療作業基金 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1143301_00007 |